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Absolutely, yum yum.TheScreamingEagles said:
If we’re not supposed to eat animals why are they made out of meat ?Sean_F said:
Eating animals, however, is a good idea, It's what they are there for,Dura_Ace said:
I'm sure shooting up heroin feels fucking awesome but that doesn't mean doing it is a good idea.JosiasJessop said:
Indeed. But animals are so darned tasty.
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Have never enjoyed turkey, far too dry for my tastes.Theuniondivvie said:
Absolutely, yum yum.TheScreamingEagles said:
If we’re not supposed to eat animals why are they made out of meat ?Sean_F said:
Eating animals, however, is a good idea, It's what they are there for,Dura_Ace said:
I'm sure shooting up heroin feels fucking awesome but that doesn't mean doing it is a good idea.JosiasJessop said:
Indeed. But animals are so darned tasty.
https://twitter.com/TheWayneFarrell/status/1056811488218939393
The only meats I eat are lamb, chicken, and fish.0 -
Surely as a good Conservative you also eat babies?TheScreamingEagles said:
Have never enjoyed turkey, far too dry for my tastes.Theuniondivvie said:
Absolutely, yum yum.TheScreamingEagles said:
If we’re not supposed to eat animals why are they made out of meat ?Sean_F said:
Eating animals, however, is a good idea, It's what they are there for,Dura_Ace said:
I'm sure shooting up heroin feels fucking awesome but that doesn't mean doing it is a good idea.JosiasJessop said:
Indeed. But animals are so darned tasty.
https://twitter.com/TheWayneFarrell/status/1056811488218939393
The only meats I eat are lamb, chicken, and fish.0 -
Not until they are confirmed to be halal.ydoethur said:
Surely as a good Conservative you also eat babies?TheScreamingEagles said:
Have never enjoyed turkey, far too dry for my tastes.Theuniondivvie said:
Absolutely, yum yum.TheScreamingEagles said:
If we’re not supposed to eat animals why are they made out of meat ?Sean_F said:
Eating animals, however, is a good idea, It's what they are there for,Dura_Ace said:
I'm sure shooting up heroin feels fucking awesome but that doesn't mean doing it is a good idea.JosiasJessop said:
Indeed. But animals are so darned tasty.
https://twitter.com/TheWayneFarrell/status/1056811488218939393
The only meats I eat are lamb, chicken, and fish.
Am as a good Muslim boy remember.
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So you are not a kosher Conservative?TheScreamingEagles said:
Not until they are confirmed to be halal.ydoethur said:
Surely as a good Conservative you also eat babies?TheScreamingEagles said:
Have never enjoyed turkey, far too dry for my tastes.Theuniondivvie said:
Absolutely, yum yum.TheScreamingEagles said:
If we’re not supposed to eat animals why are they made out of meat ?Sean_F said:
Eating animals, however, is a good idea, It's what they are there for,Dura_Ace said:
I'm sure shooting up heroin feels fucking awesome but that doesn't mean doing it is a good idea.JosiasJessop said:
Indeed. But animals are so darned tasty.
https://twitter.com/TheWayneFarrell/status/1056811488218939393
The only meats I eat are lamb, chicken, and fish.
Am as a good Muslim.0 -
We discussed something like this the other day; it isn’t really natural to consume dairy products (apart from human milk) but in (particularly) Europe we’ve evolved in a way that lets us do it. In other parts of the world, particularly East Asia it’s not so.Sean_F said:
And, who would want to be a vegan?matt said:
Milk relies on large scale beef production. Frankly, vegetarianism is a pathetic compromise as all it involves is not eating meat. The environmental issues remain. If you’re serious on the subject, veganism is the only morally justifiable choice.Charles said:To put my earlier comment in perspective (it should have been “feed conversion ratio” not food) this measures the number of calories of feed input required to create 1 calorie worth of protein for human consumption
Numbers below are from memory so won’t be correct but they are directionally right (if I’ve time I’ll check Them later)
Beef - 5.7
Pigs - 2.6
Poultry - 2.2
Dairy - 1.9 (I think)
Fish - 1.7
(Shrimp I think is in the mid 1s)
Insect - 1.1
Beef also uses large amount of land and water (it’s tough to industrialise although you do have feedlots) and creates massive amount of methane (Not CO2 although the greenhouse effect is worse)
There is a long standing trend in the West towards poultry and fish and I would have much expect this to continue
For emerging markets milk is one of the best and cheapest sources of animal protein
Here endeth the lesson0 -
The best babies are roast suckling pigs.ydoethur said:
Surely as a good Conservative you also eat babies?TheScreamingEagles said:
Have never enjoyed turkey, far too dry for my tastes.Theuniondivvie said:
Absolutely, yum yum.TheScreamingEagles said:
If we’re not supposed to eat animals why are they made out of meat ?Sean_F said:
Eating animals, however, is a good idea, It's what they are there for,Dura_Ace said:
I'm sure shooting up heroin feels fucking awesome but that doesn't mean doing it is a good idea.JosiasJessop said:
Indeed. But animals are so darned tasty.
https://twitter.com/TheWayneFarrell/status/1056811488218939393
The only meats I eat are lamb, chicken, and fish.0 -
That's a rather harsh way of referring to politicians.Sean_F said:
The best babies are roast suckling pigs.ydoethur said:
Surely as a good Conservative you also eat babies?TheScreamingEagles said:
Have never enjoyed turkey, far too dry for my tastes.Theuniondivvie said:
Absolutely, yum yum.TheScreamingEagles said:
If we’re not supposed to eat animals why are they made out of meat ?Sean_F said:
Eating animals, however, is a good idea, It's what they are there for,Dura_Ace said:
I'm sure shooting up heroin feels fucking awesome but that doesn't mean doing it is a good idea.JosiasJessop said:
Indeed. But animals are so darned tasty.
https://twitter.com/TheWayneFarrell/status/1056811488218939393
The only meats I eat are lamb, chicken, and fish.0 -
As far as Jeremy Corbyn is concerned,I cannot remember a politician who has been the victim of so many lies.It reaks of fear,not fear of Mr Corbyn,but fear of you and what actions you may determine collectively in a democracy.Sadly,Pb is just an organ for the bean-crunchers union.0
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The worst thing I’ve ever experienced about vegans.
They have pies with just pasta in them.
That’s an evil up there with pineapple on pizza.0 -
The worst lies were those which quoted the words he actually used, videos of him saying these things. When they used a picture to say he was doing something that he was clearly doing and even wrote an article about doing at the time, it was proof they had gone too far.volcanopete said:As far as Jeremy Corbyn is concerned,I cannot remember a politician who has been the victim of so many lies.It reaks of fear,not fear of Mr Corbyn,but fear of you and what actions you may determine collectively in a democracy.Sadly,Pb is just an organ for the bean-crunchers union.
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Whit?! Macaroni pie just behind haggis in the manna stakes.TheScreamingEagles said:The worst thing I’ve ever experienced about vegans.
They have pies with just pasta in them.
That’s an evil up there with pineapple on pizza.0 -
As far as PB goes, the clue is in the name.volcanopete said:As far as Jeremy Corbyn is concerned,I cannot remember a politician who has been the victim of so many lies.It reaks of fear,not fear of Mr Corbyn,but fear of you and what actions you may determine collectively in a democracy.Sadly,Pb is just an organ for the bean-crunchers union.
Ref Mr Corbyn, something doesn't become a lie merely because it's inconvenient for him.
That said, given Trump, Brexit, Brazil, and the rise in support for the populist right and left in many other countries, people should indeed be fearful of the power of the vote used without sufficient care and attention.0 -
Mr. Pete, it's very sad. I laid a wreath for the memory of political justice.0
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They dont eat animal products because of the way animals are treated not because they think it is some kind of moral wrong. As far as they are concerned those eggs and chickens labelled as free range still fall short of what they consider to be humane standards. Someone keeping hens that run freely in their back yard does fit their criteria.Benpointer said:
If they eat eggs they are not vegan surely? And 'free range chickens are kept in the most appalling conditions' seems odd to me.notme said:
I live in a household with two other vegans. For both of them it’s about the welfare of the animals more than anything else. Both will eat the small supply of eggs I get from someone who keeps hens in his back yard. My wife would probably entertain eating meat at some point if she was actually sure that the quality of life of the animals was better.rkrkrk said:
In my millennial social group I would say the majority are either vegetarian or at least trying to eat less meat. This is a recent phenomenon in the past 5 years. We were all telling jokes about stupid vegetarians eating rabbit food not so long ago. Its also driven in part by what is seen as healthy, not just wanting to help the environment.Dura_Ace said:
I see this with my younger students. There is a huge generational schism forming on animal welfare issues and the tories, as usual and as a result of their pathological attraction to cruelty, find themselves on the wrong side of it.DavidL said:Animal welfare is a big issue and there are a surprising (to me) number of vegetarians and vegans.
She’s not overtly fussy about cooking meaty things for me, but the line is chicken. Even free range, as she says it, are kept in the most appalling conditions that it makes her feel sick.
Of course the endless showing of videos of abuses in slaughterhouses on social media don’t help.
They way I justify my (occasional) meat consumption is firstly aim to buy meat which comes with some assurance that the animal has been well looked after and b) I think to myself these animals would exist at all if we were all veggies
Is it better for an animal to have lived a good life then be slaughtered humanely or to never have lived at all?
It's not hard.
It's like saying you cant be Catholic if you use a condom.
And repeat after me "veganism is a dietary choice, not a movement".0 -
Who wants to be in the same room as a vegan?Sean_F said:
And, who would want to be a vegan?matt said:
Milk relies on large scale beef production. Frankly, vegetarianism is a pathetic compromise as all it involves is not eating meat. The environmental issues remain. If you’re serious on the subject, veganism is the only morally justifiable choice.Charles said:To put my earlier comment in perspective (it should have been “feed conversion ratio” not food) this measures the number of calories of feed input required to create 1 calorie worth of protein for human consumption
Numbers below are from memory so won’t be correct but they are directionally right (if I’ve time I’ll check Them later)
Beef - 5.7
Pigs - 2.6
Poultry - 2.2
Dairy - 1.9 (I think)
Fish - 1.7
(Shrimp I think is in the mid 1s)
Insect - 1.1
Beef also uses large amount of land and water (it’s tough to industrialise although you do have feedlots) and creates massive amount of methane (Not CO2 although the greenhouse effect is worse)
There is a long standing trend in the West towards poultry and fish and I would have much expect this to continue
For emerging markets milk is one of the best and cheapest sources of animal protein
Here endeth the lesson0 -
But Mr Eagles is clearly cheesed off at the idea.Theuniondivvie said:
Whit?! Macaroni pie just behind haggis in the manna stakes.TheScreamingEagles said:The worst thing I’ve ever experienced about vegans.
They have pies with just pasta in them.
That’s an evil up there with pineapple on pizza.0 -
Remember Hammond's own attempt to raise taxes (NI) had just failed so it is not surprising Conservatives did not focus on it.rottenborough said:
Hammond was kept in a box last time and this meant none of Labour's costs or taxes etc etc were properly discussed at any daily press events etc.Stereotomy said:
Yep, contrary to what some people here seem to think, when your opponent has a very popular policy like rail renationalisation, it's not a winning strategy to keep talking about it. There's a reason the Tories spent so little time talking about Labour's manifesto, it wasn't an accidentBenpointer said:
I do consider both of those things a possibility, though I'm less inclined to buy the former...MarqueeMark said:
Have you considered that next time out, Labour might lose during the campaign, when put under some significant scrutiny - and that the Tories might have learnt a lesson and not put the killing of the first born as a manifesto pledge?Benpointer said:On topic: Jezza won't worry about being a few points down at the start of a GE campaign.
Why not? The clue is in the last word - 'campaign'.
I think the idea that more there'll be more scrutiny on Labour's manifesto next time, and that that will damn them, is largely wishful thinking on the part of true blue believers. For a start, I am not convinced that scrutiny was missing last time - maybe the manifesto was just actually rather good, and struck a chord with many people?
I concede it is unlikely the Tories will make such a f*ck-up of their campaign next time - but I live in hope.
Boris or Hunt or Javid will not make that mistake next time. It will be tax bombshell from dawn until dusk.0 -
I think that’s exactly what will happen.AlastairMeeks said:
I expect the more likely idea will be to get them donated to a fresh referendum campaign. Easy marketing for Remainers.David_Evershed said:
Let Remainers donate all their 50p coins to Leavers - a way to redistribute wealth from the elite to the deserving poor.AlastairMeeks said:The Brexit 50p piece is an inventive way to encourage a societal move to non-cash payments.
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The vegan problem is easily solved. Eat Vegans. They are happy because cute little animals don't get eaten. We happy because we get our meat and because we no longer have to listen to these whinging, whining twerps.Casino_Royale said:
Who wants to be in the same room as a vegan?Sean_F said:
And, who would want to be a vegan?matt said:
Milk relies on large scale beef production. Frankly, vegetarianism is a pathetic compromise as all it involves is not eating meat. The environmental issues remain. If you’re serious on the subject, veganism is the only morally justifiable choice.Charles said:To put my earlier comment in perspective (it should have been “feed conversion ratio” not food) this measures the number of calories of feed input required to create 1 calorie worth of protein for human consumption
Numbers below are from memory so won’t be correct but they are directionally right (if I’ve time I’ll check Them later)
Beef - 5.7
Pigs - 2.6
Poultry - 2.2
Dairy - 1.9 (I think)
Fish - 1.7
(Shrimp I think is in the mid 1s)
Insect - 1.1
Beef also uses large amount of land and water (it’s tough to industrialise although you do have feedlots) and creates massive amount of methane (Not CO2 although the greenhouse effect is worse)
There is a long standing trend in the West towards poultry and fish and I would have much expect this to continue
For emerging markets milk is one of the best and cheapest sources of animal protein
Here endeth the lesson0 -
It's hard to imagine there are any lies out there about Corbyn that are (a) worse than the truth or (b) worse than the lies he tells about his own policies.volcanopete said:As far as Jeremy Corbyn is concerned,I cannot remember a politician who has been the victim of so many lies.It reaks of fear,not fear of Mr Corbyn,but fear of you and what actions you may determine collectively in a democracy.Sadly,Pb is just an organ for the bean-crunchers union.
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Indeed. You can't feed them on tofu can you, as I once remarked to a pair of my wife's vegetarian friends as one of our cats trotted past the french doors with a bird in its mouth - we've not seen the veggies since (or the bird).SandyRentool said:
I'm sure wolves and lions have a similar view of humans.Sean_F said:
Eating animals, however, is a good idea, It's what they are there for,Dura_Ace said:
I'm sure shooting up heroin feels fucking awesome but that doesn't mean doing it is a good idea.JosiasJessop said:
Indeed. But animals are so darned tasty.0 -
Testify!Theuniondivvie said:Whit?! Macaroni pie just behind haggis in the manna stakes.
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But it's Yankee Doodle Dandy for Mr. Divvie.ydoethur said:
But Mr Eagles is clearly cheesed off at the idea.Theuniondivvie said:
Whit?! Macaroni pie just behind haggis in the manna stakes.TheScreamingEagles said:The worst thing I’ve ever experienced about vegans.
They have pies with just pasta in them.
That’s an evil up there with pineapple on pizza.0 -
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** Betting post **
Sporting index have a spread-bet market on number of times various words might be used in Hammond's speech. Most look about right to me, but I've bought 'Education' at 2.2. Seems to me that he could say it quite a few times, and the downside is very limited.
Edit: 'Pension' at 4.3 also a possible buy, but less conviction on that one.0 -
Just the nonsense I’d expect from the nation that gave us the Haggis Pakora* and mayonnaise ice cream.Theuniondivvie said:
Whit?! Macaroni pie just behind haggis in the manna stakes.TheScreamingEagles said:The worst thing I’ve ever experienced about vegans.
They have pies with just pasta in them.
That’s an evil up there with pineapple on pizza.
*My Scottish boss ate one, spent the next fortnight complaining about heartburn and that his arse looked like the flag of Japan.0 -
Surprised nobody other than HYUFD is interested in Justine Greening hinting at a leadership bid. What odds can be got on her?0
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Mr. Recidivist, I'll be a bit annoyed if my prediction of her becoming prime minister comes true, but one contest too late.0
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Me too. I can see it becoming a big political issue in 15-20 years.tlg86 said:I actually think there is a good case for moderating your meat consumption on environmental and health grounds. However, the right to eat meat is one thing I think I might actually be prepared to fight for.
Once vegetarians and vegans exceed 25% of the electorate they will start to make their weight felt.0 -
Haggis pakora are magnificent, though I agree on the heartburn issue. I tried black pudding pakora recently, didn't quite work imo.TheScreamingEagles said:
Just the nonsense I’d expect from the nation that gave us the Haggis Pakora* and mayonnaise ice cream.Theuniondivvie said:
Whit?! Macaroni pie just behind haggis in the manna stakes.TheScreamingEagles said:The worst thing I’ve ever experienced about vegans.
They have pies with just pasta in them.
That’s an evil up there with pineapple on pizza.
*My Scottish boss ate one, spent the next fortnight complaining about heartburn and that his arse looked like the flag of Japan.0 -
To test us, obviously.TheScreamingEagles said:
If we’re not supposed to eat animals why are they made out of meat ?Sean_F said:
Eating animals, however, is a good idea, It's what they are there for,Dura_Ace said:
I'm sure shooting up heroin feels fucking awesome but that doesn't mean doing it is a good idea.JosiasJessop said:
Indeed. But animals are so darned tasty.
I am a proper carnivore but I am listening to the arguments from my daughter and friends with increasing respect and contemplation.0 -
Speaking as a great fan of Justine Greening as Education Secretary where her key talent was not to royally bugger things up a la all her predecessors and especially Nicky Morgan and Michael Gove, whatever they are they're still much too short. You need more than that from a PM.Recidivist said:Surprised nobody other than HYUFD is interested in Justine Greening hinting at a leadership bid. What odds can be got on her?
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I thought part of the idea was that they are lighter than the rest of us?Casino_Royale said:
Me too. I can see it becoming a big political issue in 15-20 years.tlg86 said:I actually think there is a good case for moderating your meat consumption on environmental and health grounds. However, the right to eat meat is one thing I think I might actually be prepared to fight for.
Once vegetarians and vegans exceed 25% of the electorate they will start to make their weight felt.0 -
Mr. L, ha, you sound like a teacher from 1984.0
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Quite a feather in your cap, that one.Nigelb said:
But it's Yankee Doodle Dandy for Mr. Divvie.ydoethur said:
But Mr Eagles is clearly cheesed off at the idea.Theuniondivvie said:
Whit?! Macaroni pie just behind haggis in the manna stakes.TheScreamingEagles said:The worst thing I’ve ever experienced about vegans.
They have pies with just pasta in them.
That’s an evil up there with pineapple on pizza.0 -
Cartoons as sh*t as always.Scott_P said:0 -
;-)ydoethur said:
I thought part of the idea was that they are lighter than the rest of us?Casino_Royale said:
Me too. I can see it becoming a big political issue in 15-20 years.tlg86 said:I actually think there is a good case for moderating your meat consumption on environmental and health grounds. However, the right to eat meat is one thing I think I might actually be prepared to fight for.
Once vegetarians and vegans exceed 25% of the electorate they will start to make their weight felt.0 -
Something else to be hectored and harassed over.Casino_Royale said:
Me too. I can see it becoming a big political issue in 15-20 years.tlg86 said:I actually think there is a good case for moderating your meat consumption on environmental and health grounds. However, the right to eat meat is one thing I think I might actually be prepared to fight for.
Once vegetarians and vegans exceed 25% of the electorate they will start to make their weight felt.0 -
At least we will know our onions.Sean_F said:
Something else to be hectored and harassed over.Casino_Royale said:
Me too. I can see it becoming a big political issue in 15-20 years.tlg86 said:I actually think there is a good case for moderating your meat consumption on environmental and health grounds. However, the right to eat meat is one thing I think I might actually be prepared to fight for.
Once vegetarians and vegans exceed 25% of the electorate they will start to make their weight felt.
I will again get my coat...0 -
There have been attempts to produce vegetarian cat food. They have not been successful.david_herdson said:
Indeed. You can't feed them on tofu can you, as I once remarked to a pair of my wife's vegetarian friends as one of our cats trotted past the french doors with a bird in its mouth - we've not seen the veggies since (or the bird).SandyRentool said:
I'm sure wolves and lions have a similar view of humans.Sean_F said:
Eating animals, however, is a good idea, It's what they are there for,Dura_Ace said:
I'm sure shooting up heroin feels fucking awesome but that doesn't mean doing it is a good idea.JosiasJessop said:
Indeed. But animals are so darned tasty.0 -
Nearly afternoon all
I'm looking to see what help (if any) is going to local authorities for the 2019/20 financial settlement. I'm expecting significant amounts to be made available to ameliorate rising costs in the fields of care for vulnerable adults and children.
There will also doubtless be further help in terms of business rates retention while plenty of carrot will be offered to get houses being built. It's just worth noting that in the two-tier local Government structure the County Council picks up the costs of social care and education while the District or Borough Council is the rating and housing/planning authority so the benefits of Hammond's largesse aren't evenly spread.0 -
Haggis can be delicious. I went to a Scottish wedding in February, and we had little balls of haggis served up as canapes with champagne.Theuniondivvie said:
Haggis pakora are magnificent, though I agree on the heartburn issue. I tried black pudding pakora recently, didn't quite work imo.TheScreamingEagles said:
Just the nonsense I’d expect from the nation that gave us the Haggis Pakora* and mayonnaise ice cream.Theuniondivvie said:
Whit?! Macaroni pie just behind haggis in the manna stakes.TheScreamingEagles said:The worst thing I’ve ever experienced about vegans.
They have pies with just pasta in them.
That’s an evil up there with pineapple on pizza.
*My Scottish boss ate one, spent the next fortnight complaining about heartburn and that his arse looked like the flag of Japan.0 -
Personal view, I don't find her easy to relate to. How engaging, empathetic and authentic is she? Is she good on TV? I would suggest average or below on most for those, so she should be long odds.Recidivist said:Surprised nobody other than HYUFD is interested in Justine Greening hinting at a leadership bid. What odds can be got on her?
The qualities that I think the leaders needs are:
Good on media (TV etc) and authenticity.
Cameron was good on TV and the best for many years at the set pieces (Hillsborough etc). Blair was equally good or better, Brown crap, Corbyn good, May = Brown, Kinnock enough said (or in his case too much said), Thatcher was authentic (like or loath her), Wilson was a better media performer than Heath, Major, he was authentic on his soap box, when he was at his most authentic he had his greatest success.0 -
There are animals in the food chain who are exclusively herbivore, others carnivore and some (like us) ominvore.Sean_F said:
There have been attempts to produce vegetarian cat food. They have not been successful.david_herdson said:
Indeed. You can't feed them on tofu can you, as I once remarked to a pair of my wife's vegetarian friends as one of our cats trotted past the french doors with a bird in its mouth - we've not seen the veggies since (or the bird).SandyRentool said:
I'm sure wolves and lions have a similar view of humans.Sean_F said:
Eating animals, however, is a good idea, It's what they are there for,Dura_Ace said:
I'm sure shooting up heroin feels fucking awesome but that doesn't mean doing it is a good idea.JosiasJessop said:
Indeed. But animals are so darned tasty.
Given all species on the planet exist within an integrated ecosystem it’s hard to argue one form or another is unethical (otherwise plenty of species simply wouldn’t exist and others would take over and decimate vegetation and other species) but that won’t stop people arguing it is, because strictly speaking we can choose and humans generally like to impose their ethics and choices on others.0 -
Very long ones, I should think.Recidivist said:Surprised nobody other than HYUFD is interested in Justine Greening hinting at a leadership bid. What odds can be got on her?
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Positioning to get herself back in the Cabinet after Theresa goes...Recidivist said:Surprised nobody other than HYUFD is interested in Justine Greening hinting at a leadership bid. What odds can be got on her?
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100/1 against next Tory leader with most firms; 125/1 with Ladbrokes for next PM, but generally also 100/1.Recidivist said:Surprised nobody other than HYUFD is interested in Justine Greening hinting at a leadership bid. What odds can be got on her?
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Halls, one of the butchers in Totnes, does the most wonderful black pudding sausage rolls.Theuniondivvie said:
Haggis pakora are magnificent, though I agree on the heartburn issue. I tried black pudding pakora recently, didn't quite work imo.TheScreamingEagles said:
Just the nonsense I’d expect from the nation that gave us the Haggis Pakora* and mayonnaise ice cream.Theuniondivvie said:
Whit?! Macaroni pie just behind haggis in the manna stakes.TheScreamingEagles said:The worst thing I’ve ever experienced about vegans.
They have pies with just pasta in them.
That’s an evil up there with pineapple on pizza.
*My Scottish boss ate one, spent the next fortnight complaining about heartburn and that his arse looked like the flag of Japan.
Their Scotch Eggs are second to none.
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You need to produce vegetarian cats FIRSTSean_F said:
There have been attempts to produce vegetarian cat food. They have not been successful.david_herdson said:
Indeed. You can't feed them on tofu can you, as I once remarked to a pair of my wife's vegetarian friends as one of our cats trotted past the french doors with a bird in its mouth - we've not seen the veggies since (or the bird).SandyRentool said:
I'm sure wolves and lions have a similar view of humans.Sean_F said:
Eating animals, however, is a good idea, It's what they are there for,Dura_Ace said:
I'm sure shooting up heroin feels fucking awesome but that doesn't mean doing it is a good idea.JosiasJessop said:
Indeed. But animals are so darned tasty.0 -
With Angie quitting could Theresa May finish up the Empress of Europe?
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Great spot on Education, thanks Richard.Richard_Nabavi said:** Betting post **
Sporting index have a spread-bet market on number of times various words might be used in Hammond's speech. Most look about right to me, but I've bought 'Education' at 2.2. Seems to me that he could say it quite a few times, and the downside is very limited.
Edit: 'Pension' at 4.3 also a possible buy, but less conviction on that one.0 -
My wallet hopes she runs.DecrepitJohnL said:
100/1 against next Tory leader with most firms; 125/1 with Ladbrokes for next PM, but generally also 100/1.Recidivist said:Surprised nobody other than HYUFD is interested in Justine Greening hinting at a leadership bid. What odds can be got on her?
My brain thinks she sounds more like a Labour leadership hopeful than a Tory.0 -
Mr. rkrkrk, unlikely. Greening may be many things, but I doubt a Marxist is one of them.0
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Your friends seem sensible, I ate tonnes of eggs when we kept some Indian runners in our back garden. I don't bother too much now, though I don't not eat eggs (I'd buy organic/free range though, as the conditions are better than caged).notme said:
They dont eat animal products because of the way animals are treated not because they think it is some kind of moral wrong. As far as they are concerned those eggs and chickens labelled as free range still fall short of what they consider to be humane standards. Someone keeping hens that run freely in their back yard does fit their criteria.
It's not hard.
It's like saying you cant be Catholic if you use a condom.
And repeat after me "veganism is a dietary choice, not a movement".
Rick Stein's trip to Macedonia with the goat consumed there is closish to 'ideal' (It is ashame more people do not like offal)... Grass meadows, slow cooked on open fires, butchered traditionally...
I believe the meat industry does themselves no favours sometimes, though I'd always try and buy British as our country has higher standards than elsewhere - particularly the USA. Eating less meat and making sure welfare standards are high of the animal products we do consume seem sensible to me. A good life on the farm and a quick death...
Have followed Nabavi in on education at a tenner/word (Buy @ 2.2). Now up to 3.10 -
One suspects (having witnessed the way she is revered by her fellow PMs of EC countries) the answer is No.GIN1138 said:With Angie quitting could Theresa May finish up the Empress of Europe?
If Angela departs the scene will her German replacement inherit her clout in the EU or will they take time to establish a dominant presence. Will Macron see this as a chance to position himself and France as the one to be obeyed and respected at the EU table?0 -
As it happens, cats do like small amounts of vegetables, which aid digestion, but they would never abandon eating meat. They also enjoy cheese and pasta (spaghetti bolognaise is a favourite).philiph said:
You need to produce vegetarian cats FIRSTSean_F said:
There have been attempts to produce vegetarian cat food. They have not been successful.david_herdson said:
Indeed. You can't feed them on tofu can you, as I once remarked to a pair of my wife's vegetarian friends as one of our cats trotted past the french doors with a bird in its mouth - we've not seen the veggies since (or the bird).SandyRentool said:
I'm sure wolves and lions have a similar view of humans.Sean_F said:
Eating animals, however, is a good idea, It's what they are there for,Dura_Ace said:
I'm sure shooting up heroin feels fucking awesome but that doesn't mean doing it is a good idea.JosiasJessop said:
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Kinnock had a particular problem which was that he moved a lot as he spoke, and as directors favoured tight head shots, it meant his head was bouncing around the frame like it was possessed. Whether this was part of a conspiracy by the pro-Tory BBC is not known.philiph said:
Personal view, I don't find her easy to relate to. How engaging, empathetic and authentic is she? Is she good on TV? I would suggest average or below on most for those, so she should be long odds.Recidivist said:Surprised nobody other than HYUFD is interested in Justine Greening hinting at a leadership bid. What odds can be got on her?
The qualities that I think the leaders needs are:
Good on media (TV etc) and authenticity.
Cameron was good on TV and the best for many years at the set pieces (Hillsborough etc). Blair was equally good or better, Brown crap, Corbyn good, May = Brown, Kinnock enough said (or in his case too much said), Thatcher was authentic (like or loath her), Wilson was a better media performer than Heath, Major, he was authentic on his soap box, when he was at his most authentic he had his greatest success.0 -
Yes, our tom was licking the apple crumble last night >.>Sean_F said:
As it happens, cats do like small amounts of vegetables, which aid digestion, but they would never abandon eating meat.philiph said:
You need to produce vegetarian cats FIRSTSean_F said:
There have been attempts to produce vegetarian cat food. They have not been successful.david_herdson said:
Indeed. You can't feed them on tofu can you, as I once remarked to a pair of my wife's vegetarian friends as one of our cats trotted past the french doors with a bird in its mouth - we've not seen the veggies since (or the bird).SandyRentool said:
I'm sure wolves and lions have a similar view of humans.Sean_F said:
Eating animals, however, is a good idea, It's what they are there for,Dura_Ace said:
I'm sure shooting up heroin feels fucking awesome but that doesn't mean doing it is a good idea.JosiasJessop said:
Indeed. But animals are so darned tasty.0 -
A lot of cat food contains vegetables now. Whether for health reasons or because it's used as cheap filler by ruthless pet food companies ...Sean_F said:
As it happens, cats do like small amounts of vegetables, which aid digestion, but they would never abandon eating meat.philiph said:
You need to produce vegetarian cats FIRSTSean_F said:
There have been attempts to produce vegetarian cat food. They have not been successful.david_herdson said:
Indeed. You can't feed them on tofu can you, as I once remarked to a pair of my wife's vegetarian friends as one of our cats trotted past the french doors with a bird in its mouth - we've not seen the veggies since (or the bird).SandyRentool said:
I'm sure wolves and lions have a similar view of humans.Sean_F said:
Eating animals, however, is a good idea, It's what they are there for,Dura_Ace said:
I'm sure shooting up heroin feels fucking awesome but that doesn't mean doing it is a good idea.JosiasJessop said:
Indeed. But animals are so darned tasty.
Reading the ingredients on cat food is eye-opening. Normally there is only 4% of the main named ingredient (eg chicken or tuna or whatever it says on the tin) which I suspect is the legal minimum.0 -
Professor Murphy feels neglected. Aw.
https://twitter.com/RichardJMurphy/status/1056874169219145728
https://twitter.com/suzhou60/status/1056875138141052934
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Macron might see it that way, but I doubt that will be a widely supported view.philiph said:
One suspects (having witnessed the way she is revered by her fellow PMs of EC countries) the answer is No.GIN1138 said:With Angie quitting could Theresa May finish up the Empress of Europe?
If Angela departs the scene will her German replacement inherit her clout in the EU or will they take time to establish a dominant presence. Will Macron see this as a chance to position himself and France as the one to be obeyed and respected at the EU table?0 -
My cats have always preferred their greens from whatever happens to be the prime plant in the house or garden at the time.Sean_F said:
As it happens, cats do like small amounts of vegetables, which aid digestion, but they would never abandon eating meat. They also enjoy cheese and pasta (spaghetti bolognaise is a favourite).philiph said:
You need to produce vegetarian cats FIRSTSean_F said:
There have been attempts to produce vegetarian cat food. They have not been successful.david_herdson said:
Indeed. You can't feed them on tofu can you, as I once remarked to a pair of my wife's vegetarian friends as one of our cats trotted past the french doors with a bird in its mouth - we've not seen the veggies since (or the bird).SandyRentool said:
I'm sure wolves and lions have a similar view of humans.Sean_F said:
Eating animals, however, is a good idea, It's what they are there for,Dura_Ace said:
I'm sure shooting up heroin feels fucking awesome but that doesn't mean doing it is a good idea.JosiasJessop said:
Indeed. But animals are so darned tasty.
Plus the last one (now tirmenting Schrodinger under the Bamboo) enjoyed Korma.0 -
Macron has gome out of his way to make enemies, the Italians will just ignore himOldKingCole said:
Macron might see it that way, but I doubt that will be a widely supported view.philiph said:
One suspects (having witnessed the way she is revered by her fellow PMs of EC countries) the answer is No.GIN1138 said:With Angie quitting could Theresa May finish up the Empress of Europe?
If Angela departs the scene will her German replacement inherit her clout in the EU or will they take time to establish a dominant presence. Will Macron see this as a chance to position himself and France as the one to be obeyed and respected at the EU table?0 -
Our Tabby likes to err.. supplement her diet with the local rodent population.DecrepitJohnL said:
A lot of cat food contains vegetables now. Whether for health reasons or because it's used as cheap filler by ruthless pet food companies ...
Reading the ingredients on cat food is eye-opening. Normally there is only 4% of the main named ingredient (eg chicken or tuna or whatever it says on the tin) which I suspect is the legal minimum.0 -
Not that far, Momentum will have nothing to do with her but Greening would have more chance of winning over the LD membership and succeeding Cable than winning over the Tory membership and succeeding Mayrkrkrk said:
My wallet hopes she runs.DecrepitJohnL said:
100/1 against next Tory leader with most firms; 125/1 with Ladbrokes for next PM, but generally also 100/1.Recidivist said:Surprised nobody other than HYUFD is interested in Justine Greening hinting at a leadership bid. What odds can be got on her?
My brain thinks she sounds more like a Labour leadership hopeful than a Tory.0 -
Another tribe of snowflakes coming down the track...Casino_Royale said:
Me too. I can see it becoming a big political issue in 15-20 years.tlg86 said:I actually think there is a good case for moderating your meat consumption on environmental and health grounds. However, the right to eat meat is one thing I think I might actually be prepared to fight for.
Once vegetarians and vegans exceed 25% of the electorate they will start to make their weight felt.
"That sausage 10m away is being violent to me because I can see it".
cf Our somewhat-loopy Chief Constable seems to regard things that you do not like but overhear by earwigging as being some sort of hate crime.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46016377
Wonder if May is looking at this and thinking... "maybe that's a way out".0 -
Funny to think that with Merkel going, Macron past his sell by that this could have been the UKs hour to lead Europe :-)0
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She will be lucky to hold her seat at the next GEGIN1138 said:
Positioning to get herself back in the Cabinet after Theresa goes...Recidivist said:Surprised nobody other than HYUFD is interested in Justine Greening hinting at a leadership bid. What odds can be got on her?
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The you have to aks yourself why not - why did the overwhelmingly right-wing press give Labour a 'free pass'?matt said:Benpointer said:
I do consider both of those things a possibility, though I'm less inclined to buy the former...MarqueeMark said:
Have you considered that next time out, Labour might lose during the campaign, when put under some significant scrutiny - and that the Tories might have learnt a lesson and not put the killing of the first born as a manifesto pledge?Benpointer said:On topic: Jezza won't worry about being a few points down at the start of a GE campaign.
Why not? The clue is in the last word - 'campaign'.
I think the idea that more there'll be more scrutiny on Labour's manifesto next time, and that that will damn them, is largely wishful thinking on the part of true blue believers. For a start, I am not convinced that scrutiny was missing last time - maybe the manifesto was just actually rather good, and struck a chord with many people?
I concede it is unlikely the Tories will make such a f*ck-up of their campaign next time - but I live in hope.
Was there really scrutiny of the choices, trade-offs, consequences and real costs (ignoring the “fully costed” bullshit)? I’d argue no.
Truth is, there was not much for critics to get their teeth into. It was a clever manifesto* and there's no reason to believe the next one will be any different.
(*Especially so, given the GE came out of the blue, so LAbour had little time to prepare.)0 -
Mine too. He loves the taste of mouse.Pulpstar said:
Our Tabby likes to err.. supplement her diet with the local rodent population.DecrepitJohnL said:
A lot of cat food contains vegetables now. Whether for health reasons or because it's used as cheap filler by ruthless pet food companies ...
Reading the ingredients on cat food is eye-opening. Normally there is only 4% of the main named ingredient (eg chicken or tuna or whatever it says on the tin) which I suspect is the legal minimum.0 -
I think if they ran that poll again the criminal would be at the bottom. That's assuming a dead cat bounce.FeersumEnjineeya said:
On average, people do value dogs' lives more highly that criminals' lives:JosiasJessop said:
Some people do. At university 25 years ago I knew a bloke who was an animal rights activist who said he's put one animal's life ahead of any number of human lives.AndyJS said:
It's almost as if some people care more about animals than they do about other people. I'm sure that's an exaggeration, but you get that impression sometimes.Dura_Ace said:
I see this with my younger students. There is a huge generational schism forming on animal welfare issues and the tories, as usual and as a result of their pathological attraction to cruelty, find themselves on the wrong side of it.DavidL said:Animal welfare is a big issue and there are a surprising (to me) number of vegetarians and vegans.
Being cynical, he obviously meant other peoples' lives, not his own.
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Merkel hopes to remain Chancellor until 2021 though, if a loyalist succeeds her as CDU leader that is probable, if an opponent replaces her less likely.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Merkel to give up as CDU party leader but will run for Chancellorwilliamglenn said:
Her decision is the equivalent of May standing down as Tory leader but remaining PM until the next general election0 -
If they eat eggs, they are not vegans.notme said:
They dont eat animal products because of the way animals are treated not because they think it is some kind of moral wrong. As far as they are concerned those eggs and chickens labelled as free range still fall short of what they consider to be humane standards. Someone keeping hens that run freely in their back yard does fit their criteria.Benpointer said:
If they eat eggs they are not vegan surely? And 'free range chickens are kept in the most appalling conditions' seems odd to me.notme said:
I live in a household with two other vegans. For both of them it’s about the welfare of the animals more than anything else. Both will eat the small supply of eggs I get from someone who keeps hens in his back yard. My wife would probably entertain eating meat at some point if she was actually sure that the quality of life of the animals was better.rkrkrk said:
In my millennial social group I would say the majority are either vegetarian or at least trying to eat less meat. This is a recent phenomenon in the past 5 years. We were all telling jokes about stupid vegetarians eating rabbit food not so long ago. Its also driven in part by what is seen as healthy, not just wanting to help the environment.Dura_Ace said:
I see this with my younger students. There is a huge generational schism forming on animal welfare issues and the tories, as usual and as a result of their pathological attraction to cruelty, find themselves on the wrong side of it.DavidL said:Animal welfare is a big issue and there are a surprising (to me) number of vegetarians and vegans.
She’s not overtly fussy about cooking meaty things for me, but the line is chicken. Even free range, as she says it, are kept in the most appalling conditions that it makes her feel sick.
Of course the endless showing of videos of abuses in slaughterhouses on social media don’t help.
They way I justify my (occasional) meat consumption is firstly aim to buy meat which comes with some assurance that the animal has been well looked after and b) I think to myself these animals would exist at all if we were all veggies
Is it better for an animal to have lived a good life then be slaughtered humanely or to never have lived at all?
It's not hard.
It's like saying you cant be Catholic if you use a condom.
And repeat after me "veganism is a dietary choice, not a movement".0 -
It is an odd conundrum. The meat industry was encouraged to produce the largest quantity of meat for the lowest price for many years. This resulted in lower standards for the animals but more meat for more people at a lower price. The industry was responding to the demands of the time. You probably have to look at this in the context of post war diet and the feel good of the 60s and 70s, Yuppie 80s etc.Pulpstar said:
Your friends seem sensible, I ate tonnes of eggs when we kept some Indian runners in our back garden. I don't bother too much now, though I don't not eat eggs (I'd buy organic/free range though, as the conditions are better than caged).notme said:
They dont eat animal products because of the way animals are treated not because they think it is some kind of moral wrong. As far as they are concerned those eggs and chickens labelled as free range still fall short of what they consider to be humane standards. Someone keeping hens that run freely in their back yard does fit their criteria.
It's not hard.
It's like saying you cant be Catholic if you use a condom.
And repeat after me "veganism is a dietary choice, not a movement".
Rick Stein's trip to Macedonia with the goat consumed there is closish to 'ideal' (It is ashame more people do not like offal)... Grass meadows, slow cooked on open fires, butchered traditionally...
I believe the meat industry does themselves no favours sometimes, though I'd always try and buy British as our country has higher standards than elsewhere - particularly the USA. Eating less meat and making sure welfare standards are high of the animal products we do consume seem sensible to me. A good life on the farm and a quick death...
Have followed Nabavi in on education at a tenner/word (Buy @ 2.2). Now up to 3.1
I remember attending a debate about the use of hormones to encourage growth in beef cattle in the early 1970s. At that time the arguments were quantity and cost / vs hormones in the food chain. The debate would be very different today, if we even bothered to have it as it is such a no brainer (that you don't pump the food chain with chemicals).
I don't eat Chicken anymore as the chances are that the production methods are worse than for other animals. I have never eaten Veal, it just seems wrong. I am down to Meat 3 or 4 times a month, fish / prawns 3 or 4 times a week and too much dairy. As you eat less meat I think you do become more particular about the source of the meat.
These eating habits are the ones that I have adapted to over the last 3 years. I used to eat meat 5, 6 or 7 days a week. It is a change that is based on eating what makes me feel good and will I hope be a healthy diet. Animal welfare and environmental issues are there, but secondary.0 -
I once had a cat that went mad for melon.Sean_F said:
As it happens, cats do like small amounts of vegetables, which aid digestion, but they would never abandon eating meat. They also enjoy cheese and pasta (spaghetti bolognaise is a favourite).philiph said:
You need to produce vegetarian cats FIRSTSean_F said:
There have been attempts to produce vegetarian cat food. They have not been successful.david_herdson said:
Indeed. You can't feed them on tofu can you, as I once remarked to a pair of my wife's vegetarian friends as one of our cats trotted past the french doors with a bird in its mouth - we've not seen the veggies since (or the bird).SandyRentool said:
I'm sure wolves and lions have a similar view of humans.Sean_F said:
Eating animals, however, is a good idea, It's what they are there for,Dura_Ace said:
I'm sure shooting up heroin feels fucking awesome but that doesn't mean doing it is a good idea.JosiasJessop said:
Indeed. But animals are so darned tasty.0 -
Boom-boom! Very goodstjohn said:
I think if they ran that poll again the criminal would be at the bottom. That's assuming a dead cat bounce.FeersumEnjineeya said:
On average, people do value dogs' lives more highly that criminals' lives:JosiasJessop said:
Some people do. At university 25 years ago I knew a bloke who was an animal rights activist who said he's put one animal's life ahead of any number of human lives.AndyJS said:
It's almost as if some people care more about animals than they do about other people. I'm sure that's an exaggeration, but you get that impression sometimes.Dura_Ace said:
I see this with my younger students. There is a huge generational schism forming on animal welfare issues and the tories, as usual and as a result of their pathological attraction to cruelty, find themselves on the wrong side of it.DavidL said:Animal welfare is a big issue and there are a surprising (to me) number of vegetarians and vegans.
Being cynical, he obviously meant other peoples' lives, not his own. 0 -
Quite. I don't think she's angling for the Lib Dem leadership, but I do wonder whether she's envisaging a post-Brexit split in the Conservatives.HYUFD said:
Not that far, Momentum will have nothing to do with her but Greening would have more chance of winning over the LD membership and succeeding Cable than winning over the Tory membership and succeeding Mayrkrkrk said:
My wallet hopes she runs.DecrepitJohnL said:
100/1 against next Tory leader with most firms; 125/1 with Ladbrokes for next PM, but generally also 100/1.Recidivist said:Surprised nobody other than HYUFD is interested in Justine Greening hinting at a leadership bid. What odds can be got on her?
My brain thinks she sounds more like a Labour leadership hopeful than a Tory.0 -
Do you need a safe space where those nasty vegans can't get to you?MattW said:
Another tribe of snowflakes coming down the track...Casino_Royale said:
Me too. I can see it becoming a big political issue in 15-20 years.tlg86 said:I actually think there is a good case for moderating your meat consumption on environmental and health grounds. However, the right to eat meat is one thing I think I might actually be prepared to fight for.
Once vegetarians and vegans exceed 25% of the electorate they will start to make their weight felt.
"That sausage 10m away is being violent to me because I can see it".
cf Our somewhat-loopy Chief Constable seems to regard things that you do not like but overhear by earwigging as being some sort of hate crime.0 -
is it likely she stays to 2021 ?HYUFD said:
Merkel hopes to remain Chancellor until 2021 though, if a loyalist succeeds her as CDU leader that is probable, if an opponent replaces her less likely.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Merkel to give up as CDU party leader but will run for Chancellorwilliamglenn said:
Her decision is the equivalent of May standing down as Tory leader but remaining PM until the next general election
either her coalition breaks up and shes out, or it stays in place but she needs to go end 2019 to give a successor some time to build a platform0 -
Looks like not a bad time to leave the EU too!Alanbrooke said:Funny to think that with Merkel going, Macron past his sell by that this could have been the UKs hour to lead Europe :-)
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the reassuring thing is that the public would rather run over a cat than a dogstjohn said:
I think if they ran that poll again the criminal would be at the bottom. That's assuming a dead cat bounce.FeersumEnjineeya said:
On average, people do value dogs' lives more highly that criminals' lives:JosiasJessop said:
Some people do. At university 25 years ago I knew a bloke who was an animal rights activist who said he's put one animal's life ahead of any number of human lives.AndyJS said:
It's almost as if some people care more about animals than they do about other people. I'm sure that's an exaggeration, but you get that impression sometimes.Dura_Ace said:
I see this with my younger students. There is a huge generational schism forming on animal welfare issues and the tories, as usual and as a result of their pathological attraction to cruelty, find themselves on the wrong side of it.DavidL said:Animal welfare is a big issue and there are a surprising (to me) number of vegetarians and vegans.
Being cynical, he obviously meant other peoples' lives, not his own.0 -
No. But we know the game now. The tyranny of the vociferous minority. It comes right though, because they end up going too far and then it blows back like a gigantic hurricane.Stereotomy said:
Do you need a safe space where those nasty vegans can't get to you?MattW said:
Another tribe of snowflakes coming down the track...Casino_Royale said:
Me too. I can see it becoming a big political issue in 15-20 years.tlg86 said:I actually think there is a good case for moderating your meat consumption on environmental and health grounds. However, the right to eat meat is one thing I think I might actually be prepared to fight for.
Once vegetarians and vegans exceed 25% of the electorate they will start to make their weight felt.
"That sausage 10m away is being violent to me because I can see it".
cf Our somewhat-loopy Chief Constable seems to regard things that you do not like but overhear by earwigging as being some sort of hate crime.0 -
"Education, education, education, e.."Pulpstar said:
Your friends seem sensible, I ate tonnes of eggs when we kept some Indian runners in our back garden. I don't bother too much now, though I don't not eat eggs (I'd buy organic/free range though, as the conditions are better than caged).notme said:
They dont eat animal products because of the way animals are treated not because they think it is some kind of moral wrong. As far as they are concerned those eggs and chickens labelled as free range still fall short of what they consider to be humane standards. Someone keeping hens that run freely in their back yard does fit their criteria.
It's not hard.
It's like saying you cant be Catholic if you use a condom.
And repeat after me "veganism is a dietary choice, not a movement".
Rick Stein's trip to Macedonia with the goat consumed there is closish to 'ideal' (It is ashame more people do not like offal)... Grass meadows, slow cooked on open fires, butchered traditionally...
I believe the meat industry does themselves no favours sometimes, though I'd always try and buy British as our country has higher standards than elsewhere - particularly the USA. Eating less meat and making sure welfare standards are high of the animal products we do consume seem sensible to me. A good life on the farm and a quick death...
Have followed Nabavi in on education at a tenner/word (Buy @ 2.2). Now up to 3.10 -
Of course, the option missing from the poll is "someone who voted the other way in the EU referendum than you".Alanbrooke said:the reassuring thing is that the public would rather run over a cat than a dog
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In my case, it's red meat, poultry, fish each about twice a week. The red meat is usually in a stew or pasta dish.philiph said:
It is an odd conundrum. The meat industry was encouraged to produce the largest quantity of meat for the lowest price for many years. This resulted in lower standards for the animals but more meat for more people at a lower price. The industry was responding to the demands of the time. You probably have to look at this in the context of post war diet and the feel good of the 60s and 70s, Yuppie 80s etc.Pulpstar said:
Your friends seem sensible, I ate tonnes of eggs when we kept some Indian runners in our back garden. I don't bother too much now, though I don't not eat eggs (I'd buy organic/free range though, as the conditions are better than caged).notme said:
They dont eat animal products because of the way animals are treated not because they think it is some kind of moral wrong. As far as they are concerned those eggs and chickens labelled as free range still fall short of what they consider to be humane standards. Someone keeping hens that run freely in their back yard does fit their criteria.
It's not hard.
It's like saying you cant be Catholic if you use a condom.
And repeat after me "veganism is a dietary choice, not a movement".
Rick Stein's trip to Macedonia with the goat consumed there is closish to 'ideal' (It is ashame
Have followed Nabavi in on education at a tenner/word (Buy @ 2.2). Now up to 3.1
I remember attending a debate about the use of hormones to encourage growth in beef cattle in the early 1970s. At that time the arguments were quantity and cost / vs hormones in the food chain. The debate would be very different today, if we even bothered to have it as it is such a no brainer (that you don't pump the food chain with chemicals).
I don't eat Chicken anymore as the chances are that the production methods are worse than for other animals. I have never eaten Veal, it just seems wrong. I am down to Meat 3 or 4 times a month, fish / prawns 3 or 4 times a week and too much dairy. As you eat less meat I think you do become more particular about the source of the meat.
These eating habits are the ones that I have adapted to over the last 3 years. I used to eat meat 5, 6 or 7 days a week. It is a change that is based on eating what makes me feel good and will I hope be a healthy diet. Animal welfare and environmental issues are there, but secondary.0 -
Does hysterical anti-veganism correlate to Leaver / Gammon views? It seems to on here.
Leavers remind me of Harry Enfield’s “Angry” Frank Doberman, working themselves up into a self-righteous froth over nowt.
Oi, Vegans, Noooo!0 -
If you commit sin you are not a Christian.Benpointer said:
If they eat eggs, they are not vegans.notme said:
They dont eat animal products because of the way animals are treated not because they think it is some kind of moral wrong. As far as they are concerned those eggs and chickens labelled as free range still fall short of what they consider to be humane standards. Someone keeping hens that run freely in their back yard does fit their criteria.Benpointer said:
If they eat eggs they are not vegan surely? And 'free range chickens are kept in the most appalling conditions' seems odd to me.notme said:
I live in a household with two other vegans. For both of them it’s about the welfare of the animals more than anything else. Both will eat the small supply of eggs I get from someone who keeps hens in his back yard. My wife would probably entertain eating meat at some point if she was actually sure that the quality of life of the animals was better.rkrkrk said:
In my millennial social group I would say the majority are either vegetarian or at least trying to eat less meat. This is a recent phenomenon in the past 5 years. We were all telling jokes about stupid vegetarians eating rabbit food not so long ago. Its also driven in part by what is seen as healthy, not just wanting to help the environment.Dura_Ace said:
I see this with my younger students. There is a huge generational schism forming on animal welfare issues and the tories, as usual and as a result of their pathological attraction to cruelty, find themselves on the wrong side of it.DavidL said:Animal welfare is a big issue and there are a surprising (to me) number of vegetarians and vegans.
She’s not overtly fussy about cooking meaty things for me, but the line is chicken. Even free range, as she says it, are kept in the most appalling conditions that it makes her feel sick.
Of course the endless showing of videos of abuses in slaughterhouses on social media don’t help.
They way I justify my (occasional) meat consumption is firstly aim to buy meat which comes with some assurance that the animal has been well looked after and b) I think to myself these animals would exist at all if we were all veggies
Is it better for an animal to have lived a good life then be slaughtered humanely or to never have lived at all?
It's not hard.
It's like saying you cant be Catholic if you use a condom.
And repeat after me "veganism is a dietary choice, not a movement".0 -
Less damage to the wheel alignment, I suppose.Alanbrooke said:
the reassuring thing is that the public would rather run over a cat than a dogstjohn said:
I think if they ran that poll again the criminal would be at the bottom. That's assuming a dead cat bounce.FeersumEnjineeya said:
On average, people do value dogs' lives more highly that criminals' lives:JosiasJessop said:
Some people do. At university 25 years ago I knew a bloke who was an animal rights activist who said he's put one animal's life ahead of any number of human lives.AndyJS said:
It's almost as if some people care more about animals than they do about other people. I'm sure that's an exaggeration, but you get that impression sometimes.Dura_Ace said:
I see this with my younger students. There is a huge generational schism forming on animal welfare issues and the tories, as usual and as a result of their pathological attraction to cruelty, find themselves on the wrong side of it.DavidL said:Animal welfare is a big issue and there are a surprising (to me) number of vegetarians and vegans.
Being cynical, he obviously meant other peoples' lives, not his own.0 -
A chihuahua isn't going to knock it much out of whack.....Nigelb said:
Less damage to the wheel alignment, I suppose.Alanbrooke said:
the reassuring thing is that the public would rather run over a cat than a dogstjohn said:
I think if they ran that poll again the criminal would be at the bottom. That's assuming a dead cat bounce.FeersumEnjineeya said:
On average, people do value dogs' lives more highly that criminals' lives:JosiasJessop said:
Some people do. At university 25 years ago I knew a bloke who was an animal rights activist who said he's put one animal's life ahead of any number of human lives.AndyJS said:
It's almost as if some people care more about animals than they do about other people. I'm sure that's an exaggeration, but you get that impression sometimes.Dura_Ace said:
I see this with my younger students. There is a huge generational schism forming on animal welfare issues and the tories, as usual and as a result of their pathological attraction to cruelty, find themselves on the wrong side of it.DavidL said:Animal welfare is a big issue and there are a surprising (to me) number of vegetarians and vegans.
Being cynical, he obviously meant other peoples' lives, not his own.0 -
It’s sometimes surprising that cats survived the Middle Ages in Europe. If they hadn’t been useful mousers I don’t they would have!Alanbrooke said:
the reassuring thing is that the public would rather run over a cat than a dogstjohn said:
I think if they ran that poll again the criminal would be at the bottom. That's assuming a dead cat bounce.FeersumEnjineeya said:
On average, people do value dogs' lives more highly that criminals' lives:JosiasJessop said:
Some people do. At university 25 years ago I knew a bloke who was an animal rights activist who said he's put one animal's life ahead of any number of human lives.AndyJS said:
It's almost as if some people care more about animals than they do about other people. I'm sure that's an exaggeration, but you get that impression sometimes.Dura_Ace said:
I see this with my younger students. There is a huge generational schism forming on animal welfare issues and the tories, as usual and as a result of their pathological attraction to cruelty, find themselves on the wrong side of it.DavidL said:Animal welfare is a big issue and there are a surprising (to me) number of vegetarians and vegans.
Being cynical, he obviously meant other peoples' lives, not his own.0 -
Sounds sensible, we've done very much the same.philiph said:
It is an odd conundrum. The meat industry was encouraged to produce the largest quantity of meat for the lowest price for many years. This resulted in lower standards for the animals but more meat for more people at a lower price. The industry was responding to the demands of the time. You probably have to look at this in the context of post war diet and the feel good of the 60s and 70s, Yuppie 80s etc.Pulpstar said:
Your friends seem sensible, I ate tonnes of eggs when we kept some Indian runners in our back garden. I don't bother too much now, though I don't not eat eggs (I'd buy organic/free range though, as the conditions are better than caged).notme said:
They dont eat animal products because of the way animals are treated not because they think it is some kind of moral wrong. As far as they are concerned those eggs and chickens labelled as free range still fall short of what they consider to be humane standards. Someone keeping hens that run freely in their back yard does fit their criteria.
It's not hard.
It's like saying you cant be Catholic if you use a condom.
And repeat after me "veganism is a dietary choice, not a movement".
Rick Stein's trip to Macedonia with the goat consumed there is closish to 'ideal' (It is ashame more people do not like offal)... Grass meadows, slow cooked on open fires, butchered traditionally...
I believe the meat industry does themselves no favours sometimes, though I'd always try and buy British as our country has higher standards than elsewhere - particularly the USA. Eating less meat and making sure welfare standards are high of the animal products we do consume seem sensible to me. A good life on the farm and a quick death...
Have followed Nabavi in on education at a tenner/word (Buy @ 2.2). Now up to 3.1
I remember attending a debate about the use of hormones to encourage growth in beef cattle in the early 1970s. At that time the arguments were quantity and cost / vs hormones in the food chain. The debate would be very different today, if we even bothered to have it as it is such a no brainer (that you don't pump the food chain with chemicals).
I don't eat Chicken anymore as the chances are that the production methods are worse than for other animals. I have never eaten Veal, it just seems wrong. I am down to Meat 3 or 4 times a month, fish / prawns 3 or 4 times a week and too much dairy. As you eat less meat I think you do become more particular about the source of the meat.
These eating habits are the ones that I have adapted to over the last 3 years. I used to eat meat 5, 6 or 7 days a week. It is a change that is based on eating what makes me feel good and will I hope be a healthy diet. Animal welfare and environmental issues are there, but secondary.0 -
But surely, Leavers are too stupid to be able to drive, and too poor to own a car (Twoccers excepted....)El_Capitano said:
Of course, the option missing from the poll is "someone who voted the other way in the EU referendum than you".Alanbrooke said:the reassuring thing is that the public would rather run over a cat than a dog
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Thanks. I'm tempted. She could be next year's Jeremy Corbyn.DecrepitJohnL said:
100/1 against next Tory leader with most firms; 125/1 with Ladbrokes for next PM, but generally also 100/1.Recidivist said:Surprised nobody other than HYUFD is interested in Justine Greening hinting at a leadership bid. What odds can be got on her?
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The following quotes could easily have been said by Liz Kendall or Yvette Cooper. I don't think this stuff is what excites the Tory party faithful.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. rkrkrk, unlikely. Greening may be many things, but I doubt a Marxist is one of them.
"Things need to change, don't they, and I think people need to have some hope for the future, that Britain can be a country that runs differently and more fairly than it does at the moment."
"I think we need the same level of ambition on that that governments have had in the past on the welfare state and setting up the NHS. We need guarantees on opportunity in this country in the same way that we give guarantees on health and guarantees on dignity if people fall out of work."0 -
Why do you say that? I'm more of a dog than a cat person but cat's are very self-sufficient and I would have thought they'd have survived the middle ages fine without human help.OldKingCole said:
It’s sometimes surprising that cats survived the Middle Ages in Europe. If they hadn’t been useful mousers I don’t they would have!Alanbrooke said:
the reassuring thing is that the public would rather run over a cat than a dogstjohn said:
I think if they ran that poll again the criminal would be at the bottom. That's assuming a dead cat bounce.FeersumEnjineeya said:
On average, people do value dogs' lives more highly that criminals' lives:JosiasJessop said:
Some people do. At university 25 years ago I knew a bloke who was an animal rights activist who said he's put one animal's life ahead of any number of human lives.AndyJS said:
It's almost as if some people care more about animals than they do about other people. I'm sure that's an exaggeration, but you get that impression sometimes.Dura_Ace said:
I see this with my younger students. There is a huge generational schism forming on animal welfare issues and the tories, as usual and as a result of their pathological attraction to cruelty, find themselves on the wrong side of it.DavidL said:Animal welfare is a big issue and there are a surprising (to me) number of vegetarians and vegans.
Being cynical, he obviously meant other peoples' lives, not his own.0 -
My wife's aunt had a tomcat which ate a chihuaha.MarqueeMark said:
A chihuahua isn't going to knock it much out of whack.....Nigelb said:
Less damage to the wheel alignment, I suppose.Alanbrooke said:
the reassuring thing is that the public would rather run over a cat than a dogstjohn said:
I think if they ran that poll again the criminal would be at the bottom. That's assuming a dead cat bounce.FeersumEnjineeya said:
On average, people do value dogs' lives more highly that criminals' lives:JosiasJessop said:
Some people do. At university 25 years ago I knew a bloke who was an animal rights activist who said he's put one animal's life ahead of any number of human lives.AndyJS said:
It's almost as if some people care more about animals than they do about other people. I'm sure that's an exaggeration, but you get that impression sometimes.Dura_Ace said:
I see this with my younger students. There is a huge generational schism forming on animal welfare issues and the tories, as usual and as a result of their pathological attraction to cruelty, find themselves on the wrong side of it.DavidL said:Animal welfare is a big issue and there are a surprising (to me) number of vegetarians and vegans.
Being cynical, he obviously meant other peoples' lives, not his own.0 -
That 'is' the problem with centrism. Both the tory left and the labour right could very well be in the same party. The issues over public spending and taxation are only a few matter of degrees between them, and they're all round the same point on social issues.rkrkrk said:
The following quotes could easily have been said by Liz Kendall or Yvette Cooper. I don't think this stuff is what excites the Tory party faithful.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. rkrkrk, unlikely. Greening may be many things, but I doubt a Marxist is one of them.
"Things need to change, don't they, and I think people need to have some hope for the future, that Britain can be a country that runs differently and more fairly than it does at the moment."
"I think we need the same level of ambition on that that governments have had in the past on the welfare state and setting up the NHS. We need guarantees on opportunity in this country in the same way that we give guarantees on health and guarantees on dignity if people fall out of work."0 -
It appears that Avenatti is serious about running in 2020:
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/29/michael-avenatti-2020-election-campaign-944994
Which, if nothing else, ought to provide some entertainment value.0
