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I'll tell you when we've officially mustard.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Doethur, for the fight ahead, should our loins be girded, or sautéd?
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I believe that meat also takes up a larger proportion of the diet as you go to higher latitudes.Charles said:
There is a very strong correlation between per capita gdp and % of animal based protein in the diet. You are talking about a sub group of the first world not the “world”DavidL said:
The fox hunting was a huge mistake but it goes beyond that. I can see a world where animal welfare and environmental concerns makes vegetarianism the norm coming down the track quite quickly.Dura_Ace said:
I see this with my younger students. There is a huge generational schism forming on animal welfare issues and the tories, as usual and as a result of their pathological attraction to cruelty, find themselves on the wrong side of it.DavidL said:Animal welfare is a big issue and there are a surprising (to me) number of vegetarians and vegans.
The novel protein source serious people are thinking about is insect. Cheap to raise and a phenomenal food conversion ratio.0 -
Polls shouldn't be ignored but to be honest I'm quite confident, a majority wouldn't be easy but if not I would expect a win like the Tories had to be more likely than not.kle4 said:Yes, but what about 2016? Polls will never scare corbynites again, and the rest are converted or have given up.
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I'm told as an option it's locust compared to traditional dishes...Charles said:
There is a very strong correlation between per capita gdp and % of animal based protein in the diet. You are talking about a sub group of the first world not the “world”DavidL said:
The fox hunting was a huge mistake but it goes beyond that. I can see a world where animal welfare and environmental concerns makes vegetarianism the norm coming down the track quite quickly.Dura_Ace said:
I see this with my younger students. There is a huge generational schism forming on animal welfare issues and the tories, as usual and as a result of their pathological attraction to cruelty, find themselves on the wrong side of it.DavidL said:Animal welfare is a big issue and there are a surprising (to me) number of vegetarians and vegans.
The novel protein source serious people are thinking about is insect. Cheap to raise and a phenomenal food conversion ratio.0 -
Right now there are rather more worried remainers than main party supporters waiting to drop off to the extremes.HYUFD said:
UKIP are the biggest threat to the Tories, the Greens the biggest threat to Labour yes and the LDs will target Remainers from bothIanB2 said:
As I have said before, the next election hangs on which of the larger parties loses most support to the minor parties. Labour is skewered between the Greens and LibDems just as the Tories are between LibDem and UKIP.HYUFD said:Interesting that much of the decline of the Labour voteshare seem to have gone to the LDs rather than just the Tories and while the Tories now lead in most polls they are also down on GE17 and UKIP are up
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https://twitter.com/alstewitn/status/1056823694360805382IanB2 said:Falling fast, like Boris.
I must say the the pre-Budget build-up and speculation is a little dull this year?0 -
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Same here, started eating less meat a few years ago. More for health than anything but going vegetarian is a definite no I do love my kebabs and burgers and other wonderful things.kle4 said:
I'd back that up too. I love meat and even I eat less of it.rkrkrk said:
In my millennial social group I would say the majority are either vegetarian or at least trying to eat less meat. This is a recent phenomenon in the past 5 years. We were all telling jokes about stupid vegetarians eating rabbit food not so long ago. Its also driven in part by what is seen as healthy, not just wanting to help the environment.Dura_Ace said:
I see this with my younger students. There is a huge generational schism forming on animal welfare issues and the tories, as usual and as a result of their pathological attraction to cruelty, find themselves on the wrong side of it.DavidL said:Animal welfare is a big issue and there are a surprising (to me) number of vegetarians and vegans.
Probably the influence of Lisa Simpson on the young.0 -
The same is true of air travel.rkrkrk said:
I doubt meat eating will ever be banned. But I could easily imagine that if the externalities were properly costed and taxed, that meat eating would become much more expensive and thus less common.tlg86 said:I actually think there is a good case for moderating your meat consumption on environmental and health grounds. However, the right to eat meat is one thing I think I might actually be prepared to fight for.
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It's a difficult concept Jessop but it's called a metaphor.JosiasJessop said:
Equating eating meat with shooting heroin just makes you sound an utter asshat.Dura_Ace said:
I'm sure shooting up heroin feels fucking awesome but that doesn't mean doing it is a good idea.JosiasJessop said:
Indeed. But animals are so darned tasty.0 -
Haslemere is not turning red.NickPalmer said:
That's not quite right. He continues to enthuse his base - which is maybe 25% of the electorate. At my non-political poker evening in deepest Surrey last night, we had a rare excursion into politics - half the table (in the 30-60 age range) were huge Corbyn enthusiasts: "he's the best thing that's happened to British politics in my lifetime", "such a refreshing change", etc. (The other half looked distinctly sceptical.) The local membership remain big fans too. What he doesn't do at the moment is make the non-base feel he's saying anything relevant to them - ambiguous on Brexit, preoccupied with things like the IHLR examples.ydoethur said:
There we differ. I can easily see them getting 75% plus between them. For me, the thing to watch will be turnout as disillusioned voters stay at home. I could see that dipping below 65%.
The next election could easily be won by the party that motivates its supporters best. This is where Corbyn's Marmite qualities remain a priceless asset to the Tories. He's not currently enthusing his base but he sure as hell enthuses theirs.
That needs to change. But I don't think May has anything like the depth of support. What she has is the opposite - little passionate support among the membership, but broad sympathy in the wider public for her impossible position and a degree of respect (which I share) for gamely plugging on. Floating voters will IMO be quite annoyed if the Tories do dump her after a halfway respectable Brexit deal.0 -
And the Prime Minister in question was gone within eighteen.Scott_P said:0 -
Mr. Doethur, that's a splendid pun.
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I must admit I felt a certain relish for it.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Doethur, that's a splendid pun.
I'll get my coat as a shed roof is in need of repair.
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Good header. I was wondering this morning why Labour are so keen to force an early election when their polling is so poor for a mid-term.0
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Am busy today so when Phil Hammond stands up to deliver his budget just imagine me posting
‘Stop, Hammond time’0 -
They think they've turned upside down the old 'rule' about opposition polling mid-term and at election timerottenborough said:Good header. I was wondering this morning why Labour are so keen to force an early election when their polling is so poor for a mid-term.
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Are you suggesting that a Party of re-join would see its supporters "dropping off to the extremes"? Extreme centrism is an interesting concept.....IanB2 said:
Right now there are rather more worried remainers than main party supporters waiting to drop off to the extremes.HYUFD said:
UKIP are the biggest threat to the Tories, the Greens the biggest threat to Labour yes and the LDs will target Remainers from bothIanB2 said:
As I have said before, the next election hangs on which of the larger parties loses most support to the minor parties. Labour is skewered between the Greens and LibDems just as the Tories are between LibDem and UKIP.HYUFD said:Interesting that much of the decline of the Labour voteshare seem to have gone to the LDs rather than just the Tories and while the Tories now lead in most polls they are also down on GE17 and UKIP are up
Surely the Remainers are the ones bemoaning that the shrinking of the centre ground has left them homeless?0 -
Definitely vote for that. Very partial to the traditional Burns Night supper dish.malcolmg said:
Wonderful but does need tatties and neeps to go with it.OldKingCole said:
What about some haggis and whisky?malcolmg said:
But a nice steak now and again , with a bottle of red is very good. They could just ration it. Also how could you live without an odd burger here and there.Dura_Ace said:
At least they are not susceptible the ideology of never using blockquotes.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Ace, either that or kids are more susceptible to ideology. It was only a couple of weeks ago the BBC were pushing a report's line that eating less meat would help save the planet.
The BBC's "line" is basically true. The industry of rearing animals to be killed for human food consumes huge amounts of water and energy to produce a vast amount of C02 and a relatively small amount of protein.0 -
Because last time there were 20 points behind and came to within a few points of winning. The calculation is now, whatever their percentage, add 20%.... it will be a landslide...rottenborough said:Good header. I was wondering this morning why Labour are so keen to force an early election when their polling is so poor for a mid-term.
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A very stupid metaphor Which undermines your point in it's ridiculousness, yes. Good job.Roger said:
It's a difficult concept Jessop but it's called a metaphor.JosiasJessop said:
Equating eating meat with shooting heroin just makes you sound an utter asshat.Dura_Ace said:
I'm sure shooting up heroin feels fucking awesome but that doesn't mean doing it is a good idea.JosiasJessop said:
Indeed. But animals are so darned tasty.0 -
May plays Hammond’s organ.TheScreamingEagles said:Am busy today so when Phil Hammond stands up to deliver his budget just imagine me posting
‘Stop, Hammond time’0 -
Ah, the old "I don't like the point your analogy makes, but instead of try to deal with it I'll just pretend that you're saying the two things are morally equivalent" tactic. It's fallen a little out of favour in the last couple of years, but you can't beat a classic.kle4 said:
A very stupid metaphor Which undermines your point in it's ridiculousness, yes. Good job.Roger said:
It's a difficult concept Jessop but it's called a metaphor.JosiasJessop said:
Equating eating meat with shooting heroin just makes you sound an utter asshat.Dura_Ace said:
I'm sure shooting up heroin feels fucking awesome but that doesn't mean doing it is a good idea.JosiasJessop said:
Indeed. But animals are so darned tasty.0 -
notme said:
Because last time there were 20 points behind and came to within a few points of winning. The calculation is now, whatever their percentage, add 20%.... it will be a landslide...rottenborough said:Good header. I was wondering this morning why Labour are so keen to force an early election when their polling is so poor for a mid-term.
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Mr. Jonathan, are you trying to put people off pork sausage?0
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At least with the Tories you know where they stand in caring about people and animals.AndyJS said:
It's almost as if some people care more about animals than they do about other people. I'm sure that's an exaggeration, but you get that impression sometimes.Dura_Ace said:
I see this with my younger students. There is a huge generational schism forming on animal welfare issues and the tories, as usual and as a result of their pathological attraction to cruelty, find themselves on the wrong side of it.DavidL said:Animal welfare is a big issue and there are a surprising (to me) number of vegetarians and vegans.
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To put my earlier comment in perspective (it should have been “feed conversion ratio” not food) this measures the number of calories of feed input required to create 1 calorie worth of protein for human consumption
Numbers below are from memory so won’t be correct but they are directionally right (if I’ve time I’ll check Them later)
Beef - 5.7
Pigs - 2.6
Poultry - 2.2
Dairy - 1.9 (I think)
Fish - 1.7
(Shrimp I think is in the mid 1s)
Insect - 1.1
Beef also uses large amount of land and water (it’s tough to industrialise although you do have feedlots) and creates massive amount of methane (Not CO2 although the greenhouse effect is worse)
There is a long standing trend in the West towards poultry and fish and I would have much expect this to continue
For emerging markets milk is one of the best and cheapest sources of animal protein
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I live in a household with two other vegans. For both of them it’s about the welfare of the animals more than anything else. Both will eat the small supply of eggs I get from someone who keeps hens in his back yard. My wife would probably entertain eating meat at some point if she was actually sure that the quality of life of the animals was better.rkrkrk said:
In my millennial social group I would say the majority are either vegetarian or at least trying to eat less meat. This is a recent phenomenon in the past 5 years. We were all telling jokes about stupid vegetarians eating rabbit food not so long ago. Its also driven in part by what is seen as healthy, not just wanting to help the environment.Dura_Ace said:
I see this with my younger students. There is a huge generational schism forming on animal welfare issues and the tories, as usual and as a result of their pathological attraction to cruelty, find themselves on the wrong side of it.DavidL said:Animal welfare is a big issue and there are a surprising (to me) number of vegetarians and vegans.
She’s not overtly fussy about cooking meaty things for me, but the line is chicken. Even free range, as she says it, are kept in the most appalling conditions that it makes her feel sick.
Of course the endless showing of videos of abuses in slaughterhouses on social media don’t help.
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F1: post-race ramble (mostly written last night):
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Good!ydoethur said:
I'm told as an option it's locust compared to traditional dishes...Charles said:
There is a very strong correlation between per capita gdp and % of animal based protein in the diet. You are talking about a sub group of the first world not the “world”DavidL said:
The fox hunting was a huge mistake but it goes beyond that. I can see a world where animal welfare and environmental concerns makes vegetarianism the norm coming down the track quite quickly.Dura_Ace said:
I see this with my younger students. There is a huge generational schism forming on animal welfare issues and the tories, as usual and as a result of their pathological attraction to cruelty, find themselves on the wrong side of it.DavidL said:Animal welfare is a big issue and there are a surprising (to me) number of vegetarians and vegans.
The novel protein source serious people are thinking about is insect. Cheap to raise and a phenomenal food conversion ratio.0 -
Well I can't see much mileage in an opposition saying 'we're not really ready yet, so you just carry on'.rottenborough said:Good header. I was wondering this morning why Labour are so keen to force an early election when their polling is so poor for a mid-term.
But there is also the fact that the two men at the top of the Labour Party obviously have a plan that they want to carry out, and frankly aren't really of the age that they can afford to wait. They'll be only too aware of how much has changed in the Labour Party in the last couple of years, and that it can carry on changing. A few more years and Labour could become the pro-rejoin party and pull in a lot of people whose ideas are a long way from those of Corbyn and MacDonald. Also, while the Tories' reputation for economic competence isn't particularly well deserved, it usually does get them a fair chunk of grudging support at most elections. Brexit will lose them that bonus for a few years. You can hardly blame the left for wanting to grab their chance while it is open.0 -
I see from your apostrophe you are a leaver, sir.kle4 said:
A very stupid metaphor Which undermines your point in it's ridiculousness, yes. Good job.
It wasn't a metaphor as a metaphor is an implicit simile and is literally false by definition.
At no point did I equate eating meat with doing heroin. I was illustrating the danger of using unexamined gratification as a criteria for choosing to do something.
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Do you mind! I've only just had breakfast!Jonathan said:
May plays Hammond’s organ.TheScreamingEagles said:Am busy today so when Phil Hammond stands up to deliver his budget just imagine me posting
‘Stop, Hammond time’0 -
I see from your apostrophe you are a leaver, sir.Dura_Ace said:
I see from your apostrophe you are a leaver, sir.kle4 said:
A very stupid metaphor Which undermines your point in it's ridiculousness, yes. Good job.
It wasn't a metaphor as a metaphor is an implicit simile and is literally false by definition.
At no point did I equate eating meat with doing heroin. I was illustrating the danger of using unexamined gratification as a criteria for choosing to do something.
Just brilliant!
(PS - It was a stupid metaphor though!)0 -
I know very well, thanks. I wonder what I could put 'ad directors' in the same sentence as ?Roger said:
It's a difficult concept Jessop but it's called a metaphor.JosiasJessop said:
Equating eating meat with shooting heroin just makes you sound an utter asshat.Dura_Ace said:
I'm sure shooting up heroin feels fucking awesome but that doesn't mean doing it is a good idea.JosiasJessop said:
Indeed. But animals are so darned tasty.
BTW, how'd your friend Assad getting on being all lovely and cute?0 -
On topic: Jezza won't worry about being a few points down at the start of a GE campaign.
Why not? The clue is in the last word - 'campaign'.0 -
We'll all be asleep within about 10 mins anyway.TheScreamingEagles said:Am busy today so when Phil Hammond stands up to deliver his budget just imagine me posting
‘Stop, Hammond time’0 -
Over the last year, the Tory EMA vote share is basically unchanged at about 40%. But Labour share has come down from 42% to 37.5%. LibDem are up 2%, Green and UKIP each up 1%. So that is where the Labour share has gone.
As OGH says, correlation is not causation, so we can only guess at the cause. It is too easy to project our own beliefs (prejudices) onto our explanations.
For what it's worth, I don't think Salisbury or antisemitism has anything to do with it except in providing justification in Tory voters' minds for sticking with their party in spite of everything. Party loyalty is strong, but you have to self-justify it. Look at Trump's supporters.
I suspect the shift is do with Corbyn's approach to Brexit and also increased local political activity by LibDems and Greens in some places as PPCs are chosen.0 -
This must be the free speech on campus I hear so much about
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Was it not Asimov who had the story where they had to explain to a Senate that the flavours they used were actually based on the flavours of various animals and then had to explain in the context of the new foodstuff that was sweeping all before it the word "cannibalism"?kle4 said:
Pretty standard sci fi trope.DavidL said:
The fox hunting was a huge mistake but it goes beyond that. I can see a world where animal welfare and environmental concerns makes vegetarianism the norm coming down the track quite quickly.Dura_Ace said:
I see this with my younger students. There is a huge generational schism forming on animal welfare issues and the tories, as usual and as a result of their pathological attraction to cruelty, find themselves on the wrong side of it.DavidL said:Animal welfare is a big issue and there are a surprising (to me) number of vegetarians and vegans.
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Have you considered that next time out, Labour might lose during the campaign, when put under some significant scrutiny - and that the Tories might have learnt a lesson and not put the killing of the first born as a manifesto pledge?Benpointer said:On topic: Jezza won't worry about being a few points down at the start of a GE campaign.
Why not? The clue is in the last word - 'campaign'.0 -
Morning all
Well, yes, I'm sure Labour would prefer to be 15 points ahead but this is an unusual and indeed unique situation and "the rules" may not apply.
It's all gone very quiet on A50 since the EU summit which means either the serious negotiating is going on (and about time) or everyone has given up on trying to reach a deal and all are preparing for 29/3/19.
For most people in work (and that seems to be most people), the economy is chugging along - things may be getting better slowly but they aren't getting worse. Corbyn and McDonnell's message does and will have traction next time - the current economic model isn't working for millions of people but that's not to say the Labour alternative would.
So we remain very much in glacis pending the outcome of A50 and the two options of either a fudged deal which will keep us more or less in the EU until 2020 if not later or leaving without a deal and all that might flow from that.
I suspect the fudged deal will be more politically damaging for the Conservatives as it will keep the whole issue dragging on for months though I wholeheartedly agree their chances of hanging on to power at the next GE are immeasurably improved with Corbyn leading Labour. Whether they are further improved with May as PM remains to be seen.0 -
As it used to be, in other words.rkrkrk said:
I doubt meat eating will ever be banned. But I could easily imagine that if the externalities were properly costed and taxed, that meat eating would become much more expensive and thus less common.tlg86 said:I actually think there is a good case for moderating your meat consumption on environmental and health grounds. However, the right to eat meat is one thing I think I might actually be prepared to fight for.
Not the taxing but it being seen as more of a treat rather than an every day food. We certainly did not eat much meat when I was a child though when we did the more unfashionable cuts were a greater proportion (liver, offal, tongue, oxtail etc). I eat much less now and more fish but mainly for health reasons.
I dislike the “born again” quality of some vegetarians and vegans, though. Food is a pleasure not yet another stick for the self-righteous and sanctimonious to beat up others with.0 -
If they eat eggs they are not vegan surely? And 'free range chickens are kept in the most appalling conditions' seems odd to me.notme said:
I live in a household with two other vegans. For both of them it’s about the welfare of the animals more than anything else. Both will eat the small supply of eggs I get from someone who keeps hens in his back yard. My wife would probably entertain eating meat at some point if she was actually sure that the quality of life of the animals was better.rkrkrk said:
In my millennial social group I would say the majority are either vegetarian or at least trying to eat less meat. This is a recent phenomenon in the past 5 years. We were all telling jokes about stupid vegetarians eating rabbit food not so long ago. Its also driven in part by what is seen as healthy, not just wanting to help the environment.Dura_Ace said:
I see this with my younger students. There is a huge generational schism forming on animal welfare issues and the tories, as usual and as a result of their pathological attraction to cruelty, find themselves on the wrong side of it.DavidL said:Animal welfare is a big issue and there are a surprising (to me) number of vegetarians and vegans.
She’s not overtly fussy about cooking meaty things for me, but the line is chicken. Even free range, as she says it, are kept in the most appalling conditions that it makes her feel sick.
Of course the endless showing of videos of abuses in slaughterhouses on social media don’t help.
They way I justify my (occasional) meat consumption is firstly aim to buy meat which comes with some assurance that the animal has been well looked after and b) I think to myself these animals would exist at all if we were all veggies
Is it better for an animal to have lived a good life then be slaughtered humanely or to never have lived at all?0 -
Me too but not out of any particular choice -- just seem to be eating more fish; meat once a week now.TheJezziah said:
Same here, started eating less meat a few years ago. More for health than anything but going vegetarian is a definite no I do love my kebabs and burgers and other wonderful things.kle4 said:
I'd back that up too. I love meat and even I eat less of it.rkrkrk said:
In my millennial social group I would say the majority are either vegetarian or at least trying to eat less meat. This is a recent phenomenon in the past 5 years. We were all telling jokes about stupid vegetarians eating rabbit food not so long ago. Its also driven in part by what is seen as healthy, not just wanting to help the environment.Dura_Ace said:
I see this with my younger students. There is a huge generational schism forming on animal welfare issues and the tories, as usual and as a result of their pathological attraction to cruelty, find themselves on the wrong side of it.DavidL said:Animal welfare is a big issue and there are a surprising (to me) number of vegetarians and vegans.
Probably the influence of Lisa Simpson on the young.0 -
My dad had fried locust whilst in north Africa in the 50s so it is hardly new. He didn't particularly commend it.Charles said:
There is a very strong correlation between per capita gdp and % of animal based protein in the diet. You are talking about a sub group of the first world not the “world”DavidL said:
The fox hunting was a huge mistake but it goes beyond that. I can see a world where animal welfare and environmental concerns makes vegetarianism the norm coming down the track quite quickly.Dura_Ace said:
I see this with my younger students. There is a huge generational schism forming on animal welfare issues and the tories, as usual and as a result of their pathological attraction to cruelty, find themselves on the wrong side of it.DavidL said:Animal welfare is a big issue and there are a surprising (to me) number of vegetarians and vegans.
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Looks like the term safe space may come to have a somewhat different meaning in Brazil. On the bright side, it will annoy them pesky liberals.Alistair said:This must be the free speech on campus I hear so much about
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I do consider both of those things a possibility, though I'm less inclined to buy the former...MarqueeMark said:
Have you considered that next time out, Labour might lose during the campaign, when put under some significant scrutiny - and that the Tories might have learnt a lesson and not put the killing of the first born as a manifesto pledge?Benpointer said:On topic: Jezza won't worry about being a few points down at the start of a GE campaign.
Why not? The clue is in the last word - 'campaign'.
I think the idea that more there'll be more scrutiny on Labour's manifesto next time, and that that will damn them, is largely wishful thinking on the part of true blue believers. For a start, I am not convinced that scrutiny was missing last time - maybe the manifesto was just actually rather good, and struck a chord with many people?
I concede it is unlikely the Tories will make such a f*ck-up of their campaign next time - but I live in hope.
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I love trivia like that.Scott_P said:0 -
I’ve had fried grasshopper. The legs stick in ones teeth.DavidL said:
My dad had fried locust whilst in north Africa in the 50s so it is hardly new. He didn't particularly commend it.Charles said:
There is a very strong correlation between per capita gdp and % of animal based protein in the diet. You are talking about a sub group of the first world not the “world”DavidL said:
The fox hunting was a huge mistake but it goes beyond that. I can see a world where animal welfare and environmental concerns makes vegetarianism the norm coming down the track quite quickly.Dura_Ace said:
I see this with my younger students. There is a huge generational schism forming on animal welfare issues and the tories, as usual and as a result of their pathological attraction to cruelty, find themselves on the wrong side of it.DavidL said:Animal welfare is a big issue and there are a surprising (to me) number of vegetarians and vegans.
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Just had a newsflash; Angela Merkel has told the CDU she will not run for re-election as Chairwoman.0
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I second the recommendation. I was playing this game pretty obsessively every evening until I 100%ed itRoger said:
I like the sound track and the animation reminds me of the brilliant 'Old Man And the Sea by Petrov.rcs1000 said:So, games players, can I recommend Return of The Obra Dinn. It genuinely is like no game you have ever played.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILolesm8kFY
https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?fr=yhs-domaindev-st_emea&hsimp=yhs-st_emea&hspart=domaindev&p=old+man+and+the+sea+animation#id=5&vid=4d52ae42bdc3adcda9f81913096f118c&action=view0 -
Merkel to give up as CDU party leader but will run for Chancellorwilliamglenn said:0 -
Barrel scraping par excellence, surely!old_labour said:0 -
Some tweets are saying that she has offered to stand down. Is it a back me or sack me situation or a stone cold resignation?williamglenn said:0 -
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Holy Cow Merkel out before May...0
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The initial news from Germany suggested the former but other reports are saying she definitely won’t run again. I think it’s not totally clear yet.Theuniondivvie said:
Some tweets are saying that she has offered to stand down. Is it a back me or sack me situation or a stone cold resignation?williamglenn said:0 -
Buzzword bingo market on Ladbrokes. Only things that tempt me are:
Brexit, 1.05
Austerity, 1.25
Hard working families, 6
But none are dead certs. Well, maybe Brexit, but he might be annoying and just say "As we leave the EU" and variants thereof. Still highly likely, though.0 -
Even as a Brexiteer that is quite funny.Scott_P said:0 -
Bloomberg saying she is stepping down as party leader but not Chancellor.Theuniondivvie said:
Some tweets are saying that she has offered to stand down. Is it a back me or sack me situation or a stone cold resignation?williamglenn said:
Discussing a lame duck Chancellor. Also saying Germany will come down hard on Italy and Macron will not see his dream for Europe materialise0 -
Yep, contrary to what some people here seem to think, when your opponent has a very popular policy like rail renationalisation, it's not a winning strategy to keep talking about it. There's a reason the Tories spent so little time talking about Labour's manifesto, it wasn't an accidentBenpointer said:
I do consider both of those things a possibility, though I'm less inclined to buy the former...MarqueeMark said:
Have you considered that next time out, Labour might lose during the campaign, when put under some significant scrutiny - and that the Tories might have learnt a lesson and not put the killing of the first born as a manifesto pledge?Benpointer said:On topic: Jezza won't worry about being a few points down at the start of a GE campaign.
Why not? The clue is in the last word - 'campaign'.
I think the idea that more there'll be more scrutiny on Labour's manifesto next time, and that that will damn them, is largely wishful thinking on the part of true blue believers. For a start, I am not convinced that scrutiny was missing last time - maybe the manifesto was just actually rather good, and struck a chord with many people?
I concede it is unlikely the Tories will make such a f*ck-up of their campaign next time - but I live in hope.0 -
The Brexit 50p piece is an inventive way to encourage a societal move to non-cash payments.0
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Hammond was kept in a box last time and this meant none of Labour's costs or taxes etc etc were properly discussed at any daily press events etc.Stereotomy said:
Yep, contrary to what some people here seem to think, when your opponent has a very popular policy like rail renationalisation, it's not a winning strategy to keep talking about it. There's a reason the Tories spent so little time talking about Labour's manifesto, it wasn't an accidentBenpointer said:
I do consider both of those things a possibility, though I'm less inclined to buy the former...MarqueeMark said:
Have you considered that next time out, Labour might lose during the campaign, when put under some significant scrutiny - and that the Tories might have learnt a lesson and not put the killing of the first born as a manifesto pledge?Benpointer said:On topic: Jezza won't worry about being a few points down at the start of a GE campaign.
Why not? The clue is in the last word - 'campaign'.
I think the idea that more there'll be more scrutiny on Labour's manifesto next time, and that that will damn them, is largely wishful thinking on the part of true blue believers. For a start, I am not convinced that scrutiny was missing last time - maybe the manifesto was just actually rather good, and struck a chord with many people?
I concede it is unlikely the Tories will make such a f*ck-up of their campaign next time - but I live in hope.
Boris or Hunt or Javid will not make that mistake next time. It will be tax bombshell from dawn until dusk.0 -
Some killjoy will pop along soon and say that it is REALLY brown sausages like that as give you cancer....Morris_Dancer said:Speaking of meaty delight:
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Surely just staying on as Chancellor whilst a new CDU leader is chosen.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Merkel to give up as CDU party leader but will run for Chancellorwilliamglenn said:0 -
Call the Vegan Police!Benpointer said:
If they eat eggs they are not vegan surely?notme said:
I live in a household with two other vegans. For both of them it’s about the welfare of the animals more than anything else. Both will eat the small supply of eggs I get from someone who keeps hens in his back yard. My wife would probably entertain eating meat at some point if she was actually sure that the quality of life of the animals was better.rkrkrk said:
In my millennial social group I would say the majority are either vegetarian or at least trying to eat less meat. This is a recent phenomenon in the past 5 years. We were all telling jokes about stupid vegetarians eating rabbit food not so long ago. Its also driven in part by what is seen as healthy, not just wanting to help the environment.Dura_Ace said:
I see this with my younger students. There is a huge generational schism forming on animal welfare issues and the tories, as usual and as a result of their pathological attraction to cruelty, find themselves on the wrong side of it.DavidL said:Animal welfare is a big issue and there are a surprising (to me) number of vegetarians and vegans.
She’s not overtly fussy about cooking meaty things for me, but the line is chicken. Even free range, as she says it, are kept in the most appalling conditions that it makes her feel sick.
Of course the endless showing of videos of abuses in slaughterhouses on social media don’t help.
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According to the BBC she would not run again as Chairperson of the CDU but she would remain as Chancellor of Germany. Presumably the thinking is that this gets her replacement in place and known after a very long time of domination but I can't help feeling she will not survive too long as Chancellor once she has given up control of the party.williamglenn said:
The initial news from Germany suggested the former but other reports are saying she definitely won’t run again. I think it’s not totally clear yet.Theuniondivvie said:
Some tweets are saying that she has offered to stand down. Is it a back me or sack me situation or a stone cold resignation?williamglenn said:0 -
Let Remainers donate all their 50p coins to Leavers - a way to redistribute wealth from the elite to the deserving poor.AlastairMeeks said:The Brexit 50p piece is an inventive way to encourage a societal move to non-cash payments.
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I expect the more likely idea will be to get them donated to a fresh referendum campaign. Easy marketing for Remainers.David_Evershed said:
Let Remainers donate all their 50p coins to Leavers - a way to redistribute wealth from the elite to the deserving poor.AlastairMeeks said:The Brexit 50p piece is an inventive way to encourage a societal move to non-cash payments.
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As an aside, variant 50 pence coins are pretty common. There are quite a lot of £2 like that too.
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Whats German for lame duck?DavidL said:
According to the BBC she would not run again as Chairperson of the CDU but she would remain as Chancellor of Germany. Presumably the thinking is that this gets her replacement in place and known after a very long time of domination but I can't help feeling she will not survive too long as Chancellor once she has given up control of the party.williamglenn said:
The initial news from Germany suggested the former but other reports are saying she definitely won’t run again. I think it’s not totally clear yet.Theuniondivvie said:
Some tweets are saying that she has offered to stand down. Is it a back me or sack me situation or a stone cold resignation?williamglenn said:
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£350 million a week in 50p pieces!David_Evershed said:
Let Remainers donate all their 50p coins to Leavers - a way to redistribute wealth from the elite to the deserving poor.AlastairMeeks said:The Brexit 50p piece is an inventive way to encourage a societal move to non-cash payments.
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Zahlungsunfähige, apparently.Slackbladder said:
Whats German for lame duck?DavidL said:
According to the BBC she would not run again as Chairperson of the CDU but she would remain as Chancellor of Germany. Presumably the thinking is that this gets her replacement in place and known after a very long time of domination but I can't help feeling she will not survive too long as Chancellor once she has given up control of the party.williamglenn said:
The initial news from Germany suggested the former but other reports are saying she definitely won’t run again. I think it’s not totally clear yet.Theuniondivvie said:
Some tweets are saying that she has offered to stand down. Is it a back me or sack me situation or a stone cold resignation?williamglenn said:
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It won't just be Germany that is lame but the whole EU. May needs to get her deal signed off whilst there is still someone who can say yes.0 -
I'm not proud. I'll take them....SandyRentool said:
£350 million a week in 50p pieces!David_Evershed said:
Let Remainers donate all their 50p coins to Leavers - a way to redistribute wealth from the elite to the deserving poor.AlastairMeeks said:The Brexit 50p piece is an inventive way to encourage a societal move to non-cash payments.
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What time is the Budget please?
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3:30pm.MarqueeMark said:What time is the Budget please?
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Cheers.TheScreamingEagles said:
3:30pm.MarqueeMark said:What time is the Budget please?
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The other day, someone told me there are new 10-pence pieces out, each with a letter of the alphabet on. I haven't had one yet, and I'd like to collect them as spelling tokens for the little 'un.Morris_Dancer said:As an aside, variant 50 pence coins are pretty common. There are quite a lot of £2 like that too.
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Unlikely.MarqueeMark said:
Cheers.TheScreamingEagles said:
3:30pm.MarqueeMark said:What time is the Budget please?
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Just Googled that, they look really good.JosiasJessop said:
The other day, someone told me there are new 10-pence pieces out, each with a letter of the alphabet on. I haven't had one yet, and I'd like to collect them as spelling tokens for the little 'un.Morris_Dancer said:As an aside, variant 50 pence coins are pretty common. There are quite a lot of £2 like that too.
(Still not a fan of the new £1. Stupid coin).0 -
Milk relies on large scale beef production. Frankly, vegetarianism is a pathetic compromise as all it involves is not eating meat. The environmental issues remain. If you’re serious on the subject, veganism is the only morally justifiable choice.Charles said:To put my earlier comment in perspective (it should have been “feed conversion ratio” not food) this measures the number of calories of feed input required to create 1 calorie worth of protein for human consumption
Numbers below are from memory so won’t be correct but they are directionally right (if I’ve time I’ll check Them later)
Beef - 5.7
Pigs - 2.6
Poultry - 2.2
Dairy - 1.9 (I think)
Fish - 1.7
(Shrimp I think is in the mid 1s)
Insect - 1.1
Beef also uses large amount of land and water (it’s tough to industrialise although you do have feedlots) and creates massive amount of methane (Not CO2 although the greenhouse effect is worse)
There is a long standing trend in the West towards poultry and fish and I would have much expect this to continue
For emerging markets milk is one of the best and cheapest sources of animal protein
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Benpointer said:
I do consider both of those things a possibility, though I'm less inclined to buy the former...MarqueeMark said:
Have you considered that next time out, Labour might lose during the campaign, when put under some significant scrutiny - and that the Tories might have learnt a lesson and not put the killing of the first born as a manifesto pledge?Benpointer said:On topic: Jezza won't worry about being a few points down at the start of a GE campaign.
Why not? The clue is in the last word - 'campaign'.
I think the idea that more there'll be more scrutiny on Labour's manifesto next time, and that that will damn them, is largely wishful thinking on the part of true blue believers. For a start, I am not convinced that scrutiny was missing last time - maybe the manifesto was just actually rather good, and struck a chord with many people?
I concede it is unlikely the Tories will make such a f*ck-up of their campaign next time - but I live in hope.
Was there really scrutiny of the choices, trade-offs, consequences and real costs (ignoring the “fully costed” bullshit)? I’d argue no.0 -
Eating animals, however, is a good idea, It's what they are there for,Dura_Ace said:
I'm sure shooting up heroin feels fucking awesome but that doesn't mean doing it is a good idea.JosiasJessop said:
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Labour may be counting on replicating the 2017 campaign, but I think it will be hard to shift the 40% or so who currently say they will vote Conservative.0
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Mr. Jessop, yeah, happened to see them on the Royal Mint site.
Assuming you're not buying there (think it's £35 a time for the mint condition ones), when I renewed my passport some months ago there was a chap who asked one of the workers if he could have as many of the 10p set as possible and he got quite a few that way.
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And, who would want to be a vegan?matt said:
Milk relies on large scale beef production. Frankly, vegetarianism is a pathetic compromise as all it involves is not eating meat. The environmental issues remain. If you’re serious on the subject, veganism is the only morally justifiable choice.Charles said:To put my earlier comment in perspective (it should have been “feed conversion ratio” not food) this measures the number of calories of feed input required to create 1 calorie worth of protein for human consumption
Numbers below are from memory so won’t be correct but they are directionally right (if I’ve time I’ll check Them later)
Beef - 5.7
Pigs - 2.6
Poultry - 2.2
Dairy - 1.9 (I think)
Fish - 1.7
(Shrimp I think is in the mid 1s)
Insect - 1.1
Beef also uses large amount of land and water (it’s tough to industrialise although you do have feedlots) and creates massive amount of methane (Not CO2 although the greenhouse effect is worse)
There is a long standing trend in the West towards poultry and fish and I would have much expect this to continue
For emerging markets milk is one of the best and cheapest sources of animal protein
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I'm sure wolves and lions have a similar view of humans.Sean_F said:
Eating animals, however, is a good idea, It's what they are there for,Dura_Ace said:
I'm sure shooting up heroin feels fucking awesome but that doesn't mean doing it is a good idea.JosiasJessop said:
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If we’re not supposed to eat animals why are they made out of meat ?Sean_F said:
Eating animals, however, is a good idea, It's what they are there for,Dura_Ace said:
I'm sure shooting up heroin feels fucking awesome but that doesn't mean doing it is a good idea.JosiasJessop said:
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Brexit 50p coins ‘can be sharpened and thrown at the rats trying to steal your last potato’
THE new Brexit 50p coin will be a vital weapon against the vermin trying to steal your meagre scraps, it has emerged.
Economists have praised the government for issuing the small pieces of metal that once sharpened could prove deadly against large rodents, as well as small badgers and foxes.
Julian Cook, from Roehampton University, said: “From next March, hoard or steal as many coins as you can, and then get yourself a really good quality sharpening stone.
“The stone will become your best friend.”
He added: “Divide your pile of coins in two. Use one half as your anti-rat arsenal and the other half to buy paracetamol from Belgian smugglers.”
Meanwhile, Brexiters have also welcomed the plans but have pledged to walk around with the commemorative coins glued to their foreheads.
https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/brexit-50p-coins-can-be-sharpened-and-thrown-at-the-rats-trying-to-steal-your-last-potato-201810291787990 -
It's a serious problem for the UK. There is now no significant leader in the Council with the initiative and authority to countermand the Commission (yes, I know that Barnier is working to the Council's position but at the end, these talks always become political and red lines can shift). Except this time, they won't if the absence of any strength in the Franco-German axis means that effective power reverts to the Eurocrats who are less interested in the consequences of No Deal for electorates, and more interested in protecting their interpretation of the principles of The Project, and more habitually given to following rules - at least for public consumption - just because they're there. Also, in the absence of a strong voice from the big countries, the loud ones from the smaller ones will carry the room.DavidL said:
Zahlungsunfähige, apparently.Slackbladder said:
Whats German for lame duck?DavidL said:
According to the BBC she would not run again as Chairperson of the CDU but she would remain as Chancellor of Germany. Presumably the thinking is that this gets her replacement in place and known after a very long time of domination but I can't help feeling she will not survive too long as Chancellor once she has given up control of the party.williamglenn said:
The initial news from Germany suggested the former but other reports are saying she definitely won’t run again. I think it’s not totally clear yet.Theuniondivvie said:
Some tweets are saying that she has offered to stand down. Is it a back me or sack me situation or a stone cold resignation?williamglenn said:
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If you put them in a shotgun, you could use them to shoot game.TheScreamingEagles said:Brexit 50p coins ‘can be sharpened and thrown at the rats trying to steal your last potato’
THE new Brexit 50p coin will be a vital weapon against the vermin trying to steal your meagre scraps, it has emerged.
Economists have praised the government for issuing the small pieces of metal that once sharpened could prove deadly against large rodents, as well as small badgers and foxes.
Julian Cook, from Roehampton University, said: “From next March, hoard or steal as many coins as you can, and then get yourself a really good quality sharpening stone.
“The stone will become your best friend.”
He added: “Divide your pile of coins in two. Use one half as your anti-rat arsenal and the other half to buy paracetamol from Belgian smugglers.”
Meanwhile, Brexiters have also welcomed the plans but have pledged to walk around with the commemorative coins glued to their foreheads.
https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/brexit-50p-coins-can-be-sharpened-and-thrown-at-the-rats-trying-to-steal-your-last-potato-201810291787990 -
Mr. F, an ascetic?
Some people just don't like the taste of meat. Similarly, some people don't drink just because they're not into it.
I think that's fine, it's pushing one's own preferences onto others which is irksome.0 -
Certainly.SandyRentool said:
I'm sure wolves and lions have a similar view of humans.Sean_F said:
Eating animals, however, is a good idea, It's what they are there for,Dura_Ace said:
I'm sure shooting up heroin feels fucking awesome but that doesn't mean doing it is a good idea.JosiasJessop said:
Indeed. But animals are so darned tasty.
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If the Good Lord had not meant us to eat beef, He would not have given us the blessing of claret to accompany it.0
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