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He's on Joe Rogan's show tommorow evening.FrancisUrquhart said:Talking of totally losing it....he is at it again...
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanmac/elon-musk-thai-cave-rescuer-accusations-buzzfeed-email0 -
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Popcorn time...especially if he decides to part-take in Joe Rogan's various vices that he offers his guests from time to time. Alex Jones being an extremely memorable one.Pulpstar said:
He's on Joe Rogan's show tommorow evening.FrancisUrquhart said:Talking of totally losing it....he is at it again...
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanmac/elon-musk-thai-cave-rescuer-accusations-buzzfeed-email
Although in all seriousness, you would think that his legal advisers will be saying no questions on the cave stuff and screaming at Elon not to do a Red Ken.0 -
Though Musk prefaced one email with “off the record,” BuzzFeed News did not agree to that condition of the correspondence. (Per common journalistic practice, a conversation is off the record only if both parties agree to the terms. )FrancisUrquhart said:Talking of totally losing it....he is at it again...
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanmac/elon-musk-thai-cave-rescuer-accusations-buzzfeed-email
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I would be content with that but it has to be either labour or the conservatives to have any real meaningOldKingCole said:
How about a party winning an election with re-joining but without a referendum? I can foresee circumstances in which that might happen.CarlottaVance said:
It is. And if a party wins a general election with a referendum on re-joining in their manifesto, fair enough.Nigel_Foremain said:Plus if you argue that the last one was democracy in action, why is it not democratic to ask again, and if so at what juncture and how regularly?
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Just when you think Labour can't make this worse, they send Shami Chakrabarti to do a radio interview.
It makes me sad that a major political party with a rich history has become such a toxic mess.
It makes me angry that people are not taking action to stop the rot. And it is now so clear that it is rotting from the head. Yesterday's proposed 'preface' put that beyond any doubt.0 -
Here come the h2b sob stories...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-6131611/Help-Buy-left-trapped.html0 -
The (comes over all Kippery) wireless certainly helps in that regard, though it doesn't always work. Was pretty disappointed in R4's 'Life and Fate', in the same slot I think.Roger said:
I agree with almost all of that except that this is radio so your memory and imagination can still play a big partTOPPING said:
Agree and disagree. Fantastic novel (I liked Ararat also) but I would rather not see it on the tellybox. cf Handmaid's Tale, Swann's Way, etc, etc. It's all there in my mind why on earth would I want to change that?Roger said:OT. Good news for those fans of The White Hotel by DM Thomas. He's the member of the SeanT family who could write. A very fine novel and with the collaboration of Jon Amiel directing and dramatised by Dennis Potter it should be well worth two hours of anyone's time. How Potter has dealt with the language will be an interesting test of how grown up the BBC has become.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2018/white-hotel0 -
What is equally sad is that the British public don't seem to get a shit about it.oxfordsimon said:Just when you think Labour can't make this worse, they send Shami Chakrabarti to do a radio interview.
It makes me sad that a major political party with a rich history has become such a toxic mess.
It makes me angry that people are not taking action to stop the rot. And it is now so clear that it is rotting from the head. Yesterday's proposed 'preface' put that beyond any doubt.0 -
The only matter on which I would rely on the opinion of Baroness Chakrabarti is the cost of the fees at Dulwich College. On all other topics including the character of Phil Shiner and anti Semitism she may safely be ignored.0
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What a load of codswallop. New build homes are always more expensive than older comparable homes, always have been, if you buy a new build its value will go down before it goes up. Moving within 3 years of buying is risky. Any buyer is warned the value could go down as well as up.Pulpstar said:Here come the h2b sob stories...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-6131611/Help-Buy-left-trapped.html0 -
In Aberdeen, so quite a specific example given the effect of the fall in the price of oil.Pulpstar said:Here come the h2b sob stories...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-6131611/Help-Buy-left-trapped.html
But this could be a sign of things to come for others.0 -
US forces at Lakenheath and the other similar facilities are only subject to US not British jurisdiction. There are also plenty of 'NOFORN' facilities on the bases so the UK government doesn't have a clue what is going on in them. None of the people who are getting inflamed arseholes about an EU patch on a squaddie's shoulder seem to care about it though...Nigel_Foremain said:
What I don't understand from the "its all about sovereignty" extremists is why they are not concerned about the massive great f****ing airbase near me called "RAF" Lakenheath. If ever there were a surrender of our sovereignty this is it in extremis. Perhaps they are in favour of kicking out the yanks and pulling out of NATO and the jurisdiction of the UN? If so, please explain yourselvesTOPPING said:
AFAICR Mortimer attended the last Test Match but I didn't see him opening the bowling. Plus the EU has a currency that sovereign states could and did choose not to join; and I don't see an EU army any more than we have a NATO army.HYUFD said:
The EU now attends the G7 and G20 and has its own currency and parliament and Head of State and will soon have its own armyRochdalePioneers said:Since when did the EU become a state? Its like the people on Facebook demanding the restoration of the Palestinian state - what state? Latest one was the "shocking confession" by ex Israeli PM Golda Meir that she "had a Palestinian Passport". Yeah. Mandate Palestine. Again, not a state.
Other than that, spot on.0 -
Conceivably it would swing without a lot of people actually changing their minds; Some of the Leave voters wouldn't feel like turning out for something that hadn't worked out as well as they'd hoped, and former Remain non-voters would be fired up and ready to go. I guess the Leave side would try to counter this by getting their supporters riled up at the fact of having a second referendum, but they'd have to walk a tightrope between getting people angry enough to make them turn out and painting process as illegitimate enough that their supporters actually boycotted it.Sandpit said:Part of me would like to see a second referendum, purely to see what arguments are made by the Remain side in their attempts to convert those who voted Leave last time around.
That said, the main swing vote seems to be Labour Leave, so they'd want to run against the Tory Singapore-on-Thames vision - workers rights, tax havens, safety standards etc. This was something they couldn't really do effectively last time, because they were de-facto led by David Cameron.0 -
Hmmm. I wonder if either will exist in their present form much longer. The Tories are more likely to, I suspect. I would not be surprised if there was a significant shake-up on the centre-left.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I would be content with that but it has to be either labour or the conservatives to have any real meaningOldKingCole said:
How about a party winning an election with re-joining but without a referendum? I can foresee circumstances in which that might happen.CarlottaVance said:
It is. And if a party wins a general election with a referendum on re-joining in their manifesto, fair enough.Nigel_Foremain said:Plus if you argue that the last one was democracy in action, why is it not democratic to ask again, and if so at what juncture and how regularly?
Although it won’t be SDP2.0 -
They had a chance this morning to move back onto the pocket book stuff that most voters might be interested in, especially as most folks are back from holiday and might actually be listening in.oxfordsimon said:Just when you think Labour can't make this worse, they send Shami Chakrabarti to do a radio interview.
It makes me sad that a major political party with a rich history has become such a toxic mess.
It makes me angry that people are not taking action to stop the rot. And it is now so clear that it is rotting from the head. Yesterday's proposed 'preface' put that beyond any doubt.
But no. Jezza knows better than generations of politicians and media advisors.
He is always right you know.0 -
The 'child bride' of the Brit diver at 40 (and his girlfriend) is 23 years his junior - paedo, obvs.FrancisUrquhart said:Talking of totally losing it....he is at it again...
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanmac/elon-musk-thai-cave-rescuer-accusations-buzzfeed-email
Meanwhile Musk's current squeeze (recently mistaken for his daughter) is 16 years his junior - totally cool - what a stud!0 -
It is time Jezza faced the press and answered a straight question:
Does he believe Israel has a right to exist?
Yes or No.0 -
What other process do we have? Why are you uncomfortable with it? Do share the benefit of your deep thinking.Nigel_Foremain said:
You are comfortable with this argument because it suits your own new found bias because you think it isn't going to happen under our system of FPTP with either main party. You can pretend this is democratic if you want, but it won't wash with people who think a little more deeply about itCarlottaVance said:
It is. And if a party wins a general election with a referendum on re-joining in their manifesto, fair enough.Nigel_Foremain said:Plus if you argue that the last one was democracy in action, why is it not democratic to ask again, and if so at what juncture and how regularly?
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I agree. Many people are crying out for a sensible alternative to the current government. At the moment there is not a credible option. Some people (Carlotta perhaps) rather like that, but those of us that believe in a properly functioning democracy want to see a Labour Party that is not led by a bunch of racist lunatics. The moderates have missed their chance to stop this cancer. The Tories malaise dates back to Cameron's stupid referendum decision and Labour's Milibands cheapy membership driveoxfordsimon said:Just when you think Labour can't make this worse, they send Shami Chakrabarti to do a radio interview.
It makes me sad that a major political party with a rich history has become such a toxic mess.
It makes me angry that people are not taking action to stop the rot. And it is now so clear that it is rotting from the head. Yesterday's proposed 'preface' put that beyond any doubt.0 -
Nigel, as an aside the EU was created at Maastrict which was 93. There had to be a referendum. Major and the other Europhiles knew what the answer would have been so didn’t have one. Much flows from that. Well, they were warned.Nigel_Foremain said:Mr Sandpit, you ask a good question about what arguments could be used at a future referendum, and it is a tricky one to answer. The problem with referenda is that they are immensely volatile, which is why I don't think we will see another for 20 years on pretty much anything. A binary choice, such as was given in the last one was a dangerous strategy by Cameron who was arrogant about his ability to carry the day. Like unnecessary early general elections they are probably now unfashionable.
If there were to be another there would be huge argument over whether it should be binary or perhaps offering Remain, EEA, WTO, and should it be transferable vote or simple majority. WHat should the question be to ensure unbiased outcomes?
You can see how you can manipulate the "will-o-the-people" argument to get closest to the result you want. Plus if you argue that the last one was democracy in action, why is it not democratic to ask again, and if so at what juncture and how regularly?
But on your point above, it is the “what juncture” point isn’t it? Those calling for another referendum now aren’t interested in giving people a choice on a deal, they want Remain on the ballot paper and go again. They want the number of days outside the EU to be zero, that is the vote whose result they didn’t like not to be implemented. If they got another referendum and say a Remian win by one vote, those same people would want that result - one they do like - implemented, and for decades.
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OldKingCole said:
How about a party winning an election with re-joining but without a referendum? I can foresee circumstances in which that might happen.CarlottaVance said:
It is. And if a party wins a general election with a referendum on re-joining in their manifesto, fair enough.Nigel_Foremain said:Plus if you argue that the last one was democracy in action, why is it not democratic to ask again, and if so at what juncture and how regularly?
That's trickier. Technically the answer is 'yes'.
Politically, since we had a referendum to take us out, I think taking us back in without one would store up trouble for the future - for example, the next General Election.0 -
Friends of mine have done this and it sounded to me like they were told "prices will go up in the next few years to cover the government loan, you can then move to another property."Philip_Thompson said:
What a load of codswallop. New build homes are always more expensive than older comparable homes, always have been, if you buy a new build its value will go down before it goes up. Moving within 3 years of buying is risky. Any buyer is warned the value could go down as well as up.Pulpstar said:Here come the h2b sob stories...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-6131611/Help-Buy-left-trapped.html
It could be the next misselling scandal.0 -
Income is income and their proposal is that it should be taxed the same whether it comes from profits on the stock market or earnings from a job. Not particularly socialist at all I would say.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. rkrkrk, 'get Tories rather irate'.
Nice way to dismiss the notion it's legitimate to be pissed off at the contemptible idea of taxing savings that were scraped together.
Still, you've found a way to make the already terrible savings rate even worse. Well done.
The site's at its best when things are at least objective, if not light-hearted. You may well have some response or other trying to justify mindless socialist greed (the tax take is what counts, not hammering individuals, motivated by greed or virtue signalling), but I won't be here to reply, so don't think any lack of response is due to personal dislike or lack of an argument.0 -
I agree that referendums are immensely volatile, and I also agree that the way it was done the first time around was a dangerous strategy by Mr Cameron. The use of a referendum for anything other than asking permission from the people for a specific constitutional change of which the government is in favour is playing with fire, as we have seen.Nigel_Foremain said:Mr Sandpit, you ask a good question about what arguments could be used at a future referendum, and it is a tricky one to answer. The problem with referenda is that they are immensely volatile, which is why I don't think we will see another for 20 years on pretty much anything. A binary choice, such as was given in the last one was a dangerous strategy by Cameron who was arrogant about his ability to carry the day. Like unnecessary early general elections they are probably now unfashionable.
If there were to be another there would be huge argument over whether it should be binary or perhaps offering Remain, EEA, WTO, and should it be transferable vote or simple majority. WHat should the question be to ensure unbiased outcomes?
You can see how you can manipulate the "will-o-the-people" argument to get closest to the result you want. Plus if you argue that the last one was democracy in action, why is it not democratic to ask again, and if so at what juncture and how regularly?
I would say that the time for another vote would be when the decision of the first vote has been implemented and had time for the effects positive and negative to be obvious. Maybe at the 2027 election the winning party might advocate rejoining. Asking the people to vote on the same question again, before implementation, is profoundly undemocratic and leads at best to a breakdown of trust between the politicians and the people.
Allowing some time would also allow those in favour of EU membership to think about and advocate the positive case for membership. Right now, all I am hearing from those politicians advocating a second referendum are variations on the people are a stupid racist basket of deplorables, didn’t understand what leaving would mean, the Leave campaigns told lies and overspent, the EU is a prison, or Hotel California which we can never actually leave. I’m hearing no positive case for the EU, and nothing that would persuade me to change my vote in a second referendum.0 -
Meanwhile, an actual example of people of other nationalities being directly (rather than abstractly) targeted is passing unnoticed.
https://twitter.com/cliodiaspora/status/10370654641307443200 -
Doesn't sound like they've saved many readies either - so they'll be stuck on SVR for years now too.tlg86 said:
In Aberdeen, so quite a specific example given the effect of the fall in the price of oil.Pulpstar said:Here come the h2b sob stories...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-6131611/Help-Buy-left-trapped.html
But this could be a sign of things to come for others.
Whilst this is how the market should actually work, I can smell a "Have you been missold help to buy" bandwagon springing up in the next few years.0 -
In an ideal world the hard right and hard left in each party would be abandoned to a centre party, but it seems very unlikely unfortunatelyOldKingCole said:
Hmmm. I wonder if either will exist in their present form much longer. The Tories are more likely to, I suspect. I would not be surprised if there was a significant shake-up on the centre-left.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I would be content with that but it has to be either labour or the conservatives to have any real meaningOldKingCole said:
How about a party winning an election with re-joining but without a referendum? I can foresee circumstances in which that might happen.CarlottaVance said:
It is. And if a party wins a general election with a referendum on re-joining in their manifesto, fair enough.Nigel_Foremain said:Plus if you argue that the last one was democracy in action, why is it not democratic to ask again, and if so at what juncture and how regularly?
Although it won’t be SDP2.0 -
I am Jimmy Anderson and I claim my 552 test wicketsTOPPING said:
AFAICR Mortimer attended the last Test Match but I didn't see him opening the bowling. Plus the EU has a currency that sovereign states could and did choose not to join; and I don't see an EU army any more than we have a NATO army.HYUFD said:
The EU now attends the G7 and G20 and has its own currency and parliament and Head of State and will soon have its own armyRochdalePioneers said:Since when did the EU become a state? Its like the people on Facebook demanding the restoration of the Palestinian state - what state? Latest one was the "shocking confession" by ex Israeli PM Golda Meir that she "had a Palestinian Passport". Yeah. Mandate Palestine. Again, not a state.
Other than that, spot on.
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The one thing this crisis will have done is ensure Corbyn will come under a microscope on every meeting he attends, who he meets, and what he says. This will not leave him while he is in officerottenborough said:It is time Jezza faced the press and answered a straight question:
Does he believe Israel has a right to exist?
Yes or No.0 -
T’would, would it not depend on how things turned out? Things are bad economically and perhaps socially; election is won by “rejoiners”. We rejoin forthwith. 5 years later there’s another election. Country is prospering, everything’s settled down nicely..... Rejoiners win again, surely.CarlottaVance said:OldKingCole said:
How about a party winning an election with re-joining but without a referendum? I can foresee circumstances in which that might happen.CarlottaVance said:
It is. And if a party wins a general election with a referendum on re-joining in their manifesto, fair enough.Nigel_Foremain said:Plus if you argue that the last one was democracy in action, why is it not democratic to ask again, and if so at what juncture and how regularly?
That's trickier. Technically the answer is 'yes'.
Politically, since we had a referendum to take us out, I think taking us back in without one would store up trouble for the future - for example, the next General Election.0 -
I agree with youNigel_Foremain said:
I agree. Many people are crying out for a sensible alternative to the current government. At the moment there is not a credible option. Some people (Carlotta perhaps) rather like that, but those of us that believe in a properly functioning democracy want to see a Labour Party that is not led by a bunch of racist lunatics. The moderates have missed their chance to stop this cancer. The Tories malaise dates back to Cameron's stupid referendum decision and Labour's Milibands cheapy membership driveoxfordsimon said:Just when you think Labour can't make this worse, they send Shami Chakrabarti to do a radio interview.
It makes me sad that a major political party with a rich history has become such a toxic mess.
It makes me angry that people are not taking action to stop the rot. And it is now so clear that it is rotting from the head. Yesterday's proposed 'preface' put that beyond any doubt.0 -
Musk needs to spend a month on a desert island with no phone and no drugs. He’s completely burned out and can’t be of any use to anyone right now.FrancisUrquhart said:
Popcorn time...especially if he decides to part-take in Joe Rogan's various vices that he offers his guests from time to time. Alex Jones being an extremely memorable one.Pulpstar said:
He's on Joe Rogan's show tommorow evening.FrancisUrquhart said:Talking of totally losing it....he is at it again...
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanmac/elon-musk-thai-cave-rescuer-accusations-buzzfeed-email
Although in all seriousness, you would think that his legal advisers will be saying no questions on the cave stuff and screaming at Elon not to do a Red Ken.
He also needs to make a serious and unequivocal apology to the caveman, before said caveman finds himself a good lawyer and sues him for millions.
Rogan won’t care what questions someone doesn’t want to be asked, he’d be more than happy to see his guest start screaming or walk out.0 -
So do I!Big_G_NorthWales said:
I agree with youNigel_Foremain said:
I agree. Many people are crying out for a sensible alternative to the current government. At the moment there is not a credible option. Some people (Carlotta perhaps) rather like that, but those of us that believe in a properly functioning democracy want to see a Labour Party that is not led by a bunch of racist lunatics. The moderates have missed their chance to stop this cancer. The Tories malaise dates back to Cameron's stupid referendum decision and Labour's Milibands cheapy membership driveoxfordsimon said:Just when you think Labour can't make this worse, they send Shami Chakrabarti to do a radio interview.
It makes me sad that a major political party with a rich history has become such a toxic mess.
It makes me angry that people are not taking action to stop the rot. And it is now so clear that it is rotting from the head. Yesterday's proposed 'preface' put that beyond any doubt.0 -
Might be because it doesn’t lead to the passing of laws, without objection from our elected representatives, that affect British citizens going about their daily lives?Dura_Ace said:
US forces at Lakenheath and the other similar facilities are only subject to US not British jurisdiction. There are also plenty of 'NOFORN' facilities on the bases so the UK government doesn't have a clue what is going on in them. None of the people who are getting inflamed arseholes about an EU patch on a squaddie's shoulder seem to care about it though...Nigel_Foremain said:
What I don't understand from the "its all about sovereignty" extremists is why they are not concerned about the massive great f****ing airbase near me called "RAF" Lakenheath. If ever there were a surrender of our sovereignty this is it in extremis. Perhaps they are in favour of kicking out the yanks and pulling out of NATO and the jurisdiction of the UN? If so, please explain yourselvesTOPPING said:
AFAICR Mortimer attended the last Test Match but I didn't see him opening the bowling. Plus the EU has a currency that sovereign states could and did choose not to join; and I don't see an EU army any more than we have a NATO army.HYUFD said:
The EU now attends the G7 and G20 and has its own currency and parliament and Head of State and will soon have its own armyRochdalePioneers said:Since when did the EU become a state? Its like the people on Facebook demanding the restoration of the Palestinian state - what state? Latest one was the "shocking confession" by ex Israeli PM Golda Meir that she "had a Palestinian Passport". Yeah. Mandate Palestine. Again, not a state.
Other than that, spot on.
The anti-sovereigntyists have tried this before. It’s a foolish argument.0 -
Same page again OKCOldKingCole said:
So do I!Big_G_NorthWales said:
I agree with youNigel_Foremain said:
I agree. Many people are crying out for a sensible alternative to the current government. At the moment there is not a credible option. Some people (Carlotta perhaps) rather like that, but those of us that believe in a properly functioning democracy want to see a Labour Party that is not led by a bunch of racist lunatics. The moderates have missed their chance to stop this cancer. The Tories malaise dates back to Cameron's stupid referendum decision and Labour's Milibands cheapy membership driveoxfordsimon said:Just when you think Labour can't make this worse, they send Shami Chakrabarti to do a radio interview.
It makes me sad that a major political party with a rich history has become such a toxic mess.
It makes me angry that people are not taking action to stop the rot. And it is now so clear that it is rotting from the head. Yesterday's proposed 'preface' put that beyond any doubt.0 -
Can anyone explain how you implement the IHRA definition in full, but use your own caveats / examples. That’s not in full? Surely Corbyn the great campaigner should lobby the IHRA to caveat their own description. If it’s good enough for Labour it’s good enough for everyone.0
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They have a 2 bed flat, one 18 month child (no indication of more on the way) and "baby toys and clothes filling every room of the flat". I can think of less radical solutions than moving.Philip_Thompson said:
What a load of codswallop. New build homes are always more expensive than older comparable homes, always have been, if you buy a new build its value will go down before it goes up. Moving within 3 years of buying is risky. Any buyer is warned the value could go down as well as up.Pulpstar said:Here come the h2b sob stories...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-6131611/Help-Buy-left-trapped.html0 -
Are you including the occupied territories?rottenborough said:It is time Jezza faced the press and answered a straight question:
Does he believe Israel has a right to exist?
Yes or No.0 -
It is simply dereliction of duty not to have prepared for "no deal".0
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That's not a straightforward question, it's a deliberately confusing philosophical conundrum. But the answer is no, no country has the right to exist.rottenborough said:It is time Jezza faced the press and answered a straight question:
Does he believe Israel has a right to exist?
Yes or No.0 -
The great tragedy is that the Leave vote was probably driven by a desire to stick it to the politicos, rather than any great desire for Brexit. The politicians in question are now long gone, but the nation still awaits the consequences with fear and trepidation.0
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Africans run fast, Scots mean, Icelanders suicidal (?), etc, etc...free to believe it all of course but for the leader of the opposition...Roger said:
It's probably more simple than that. He sees the Jews as disproportionately wealthy and he sees the Palestinians as being downtrodden by an imperialist power. An irresistable emnity for anyone on hard left. Though the first of these is a stereotype too far I don't see anything wrong with believing whatever he wants about Israel. No other country is out of bounds nor should they be.Nigel_Foremain said:
The problem Labour has to attend to is where does this anti-Semitism spring from. Most believe it is related to Palestine. I think this is just an excuse. My belief is that it was encapsulated in that racist poster that Corbyn failed to condemn.MarqueeMark said:
Well, until the newly-formed NEC in October decides to overturn September's meeting, yes.Sandpit said:
So Labour spent the whole day yesterday leading the news with their antisemitism enquiry, and after an hours-long meeting of their NEC they still couldn’t agree to simply use the standard definition without caveat, thus pleasing no-one and keeping the story running for longer. Did I get that right?Scott_P said:
The root cause of Hard Left anti-Semitism is based on the same paranoid prejudice of the Far Right - a belief that the capitalist system is a system designed for the benefit of the Jews - the Jewish Conspiracy. That is the real reason Corbyn and his allies hate Jews. Their support of Palestine is simply an effect, not the cause. He is simply a left wing racist, and he and his fellow travellers and supporters should be called out as such.0 -
That's irrelevant to a simple 'right to exist' question - unless making a point that it does not have a right to exist if it continues rule over the occupied territories. Which is essentially a 'no'.Roger said:
Are you including the occupied territories?rottenborough said:It is time Jezza faced the press and answered a straight question:
Does he believe Israel has a right to exist?
Yes or No.0 -
What is wrong with Labour? They have a big day yesterday, you could argue they have resolved the issue to an extent. But they have to keep going on about it! Really!!!!! Really!!!!!!!!! Is this a Government in waiting?rottenborough said:I awake (a little late this morning), to find Jezza has doubled-down:
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Let's hope not.Nemtynakht said:
What is wrong with Labour? They have a big day yesterday, you could argue they have resolved the issue to an extent. But they have to keep going on about it! Really!!!!! Really!!!!!!!!! Is this a Government in waiting?rottenborough said:I awake (a little late this morning), to find Jezza has doubled-down:
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He also needs to learn that calling a journalist "you fucking asshole" in an email just for asking sane questions is, just perhaps, not wise wrt media relations.Sandpit said:
Musk needs to spend a month on a desert island with no phone and no drugs. He’s completely burned out and can’t be of any use to anyone right now.FrancisUrquhart said:
Popcorn time...especially if he decides to part-take in Joe Rogan's various vices that he offers his guests from time to time. Alex Jones being an extremely memorable one.Pulpstar said:
He's on Joe Rogan's show tommorow evening.FrancisUrquhart said:Talking of totally losing it....he is at it again...
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanmac/elon-musk-thai-cave-rescuer-accusations-buzzfeed-email
Although in all seriousness, you would think that his legal advisers will be saying no questions on the cave stuff and screaming at Elon not to do a Red Ken.
He also needs to make a serious and unequivocal apology to the caveman, before said caveman finds himself a good lawyer and sues him for millions.
Rogan won’t care what questions someone doesn’t want to be asked, he’d be more than happy to see his guest start screaming or walk out.0 -
At all. As a state in some physical form.Roger said:
Are you including the occupied territories?rottenborough said:It is time Jezza faced the press and answered a straight question:
Does he believe Israel has a right to exist?
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It was noticed but ignored. Unless you can point me to Farage’s office in government where he is directly targeting people.AlastairMeeks said:Meanwhile, an actual example of people of other nationalities being directly (rather than abstractly) targeted is passing unnoticed.
https://twitter.com/cliodiaspora/status/1037065464130744320
The grown ups in government aren’t doing it, it is toddler Farage throwing one of his increasingly insane tantrums trying to be noticed.0 -
"territories", Roger, not "the territories". As well you should know!!Roger said:
Are you including the occupied territories?rottenborough said:It is time Jezza faced the press and answered a straight question:
Does he believe Israel has a right to exist?
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Down here, old homes are more expensive than new build. People like living in old houses.Philip_Thompson said:
What a load of codswallop. New build homes are always more expensive than older comparable homes, always have been, if you buy a new build its value will go down before it goes up. Moving within 3 years of buying is risky. Any buyer is warned the value could go down as well as up.Pulpstar said:Here come the h2b sob stories...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-6131611/Help-Buy-left-trapped.html0 -
Odd that out of the 4 Home 'Nations', it's only England that historically escapes a stereotype.TOPPING said:
Africans run fast, Scots mean, Icelanders suicidal (?), etc, etc...free to believe it all of course but for the leader of the opposition...Roger said:
It's probably more simple than that. He sees the Jews as disproportionately wealthy and he sees the Palestinians as being downtrodden by an imperialist power. An irresistable emnity for anyone on hard left. Though the first of these is a stereotype too far I don't see anything wrong with believing whatever he wants about Israel. No other country is out of bounds nor should they be.Nigel_Foremain said:
The problem Labour has to attend to is where does this anti-Semitism spring from. Most believe it is related to Palestine. I think this is just an excuse. My belief is that it was encapsulated in that racist poster that Corbyn failed to condemn.MarqueeMark said:
Well, until the newly-formed NEC in October decides to overturn September's meeting, yes.Sandpit said:
So Labour spent the whole day yesterday leading the news with their antisemitism enquiry, and after an hours-long meeting of their NEC they still couldn’t agree to simply use the standard definition without caveat, thus pleasing no-one and keeping the story running for longer. Did I get that right?Scott_P said:
The root cause of Hard Left anti-Semitism is based on the same paranoid prejudice of the Far Right - a belief that the capitalist system is a system designed for the benefit of the Jews - the Jewish Conspiracy. That is the real reason Corbyn and his allies hate Jews. Their support of Palestine is simply an effect, not the cause. He is simply a left wing racist, and he and his fellow travellers and supporters should be called out as such.
Though fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists coming up fast on the rail.0 -
It's because Jezza is not a leader. He sits at the centre of a circle of sycophants, and does not have the willpower or intention to do what is needed to staunch this, and other, problems facing the party.Nemtynakht said:
What is wrong with Labour? They have a big day yesterday, you could argue they have resolved the issue to an extent. But they have to keep going on about it! Really!!!!! Really!!!!!!!!! Is this a Government in waiting?rottenborough said:I awake (a little late this morning), to find Jezza has doubled-down:
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1037241350394183680
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It is a sad day for those of us who want a functioning democracy.Scott_P said:0 -
Entirely predictable.Scott_P said:twitter.com/GnasherJew/status/1037268281663647744
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There’s that too.JosiasJessop said:
He also needs to learn that calling a journalist "you fucking asshole" in an email just for asking sane questions is, just perhaps, not wise wrt media relations.Sandpit said:
Musk needs to spend a month on a desert island with no phone and no drugs. He’s completely burned out and can’t be of any use to anyone right now.FrancisUrquhart said:
Popcorn time...especially if he decides to part-take in Joe Rogan's various vices that he offers his guests from time to time. Alex Jones being an extremely memorable one.Pulpstar said:
He's on Joe Rogan's show tommorow evening.FrancisUrquhart said:Talking of totally losing it....he is at it again...
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanmac/elon-musk-thai-cave-rescuer-accusations-buzzfeed-email
Although in all seriousness, you would think that his legal advisers will be saying no questions on the cave stuff and screaming at Elon not to do a Red Ken.
He also needs to make a serious and unequivocal apology to the caveman, before said caveman finds himself a good lawyer and sues him for millions.
Rogan won’t care what questions someone doesn’t want to be asked, he’d be more than happy to see his guest start screaming or walk out.
I’ve always been a huge admirer of Musk and his achievements, but like a lot of business owners there doesn’t appear to be anyone around him prepared to have a quiet word in his ear. There’s a limit to how long a man can work over 100 hours a week and he’s clearly crossed that line.
I really hope that he’s got a lot of paperwork on his bid to take the company private, because if he hasn’t he’ll be Bernie Madoff’s next door neighbour next year.0 -
Leaving aside your rather snarky last line, is that because to a large extent England doesn't have as much of a unique identity amongst the Kingdom's nations? Scotland, Wales and NI have their own unique identities - go to an Edinburgh tourist shop and you can buy a Saltire flag. In London you're more likely to find a Union Jack.Theuniondivvie said:
Odd that out of the 4 Home 'Nations', it's only England that historically escapes a stereotype.TOPPING said:
Africans run fast, Scots mean, Icelanders suicidal (?), etc, etc...free to believe it all of course but for the leader of the opposition...Roger said:
It's probably more simple than that. He sees the Jews as disproportionately wealthy and he sees the Palestinians as being downtrodden by an imperialist power. An irresistable emnity for anyone on hard left. Though the first of these is a stereotype too far I don't see anything wrong with believing whatever he wants about Israel. No other country is out of bounds nor should they be.Nigel_Foremain said:
The problem Labour has to attend to is where does this anti-Semitism spring from. Most believe it is related to Palestine. I think this is just an excuse. My belief is that it was encapsulated in that racist poster that Corbyn failed to condemn.MarqueeMark said:
Well, until the newly-formed NEC in October decides to overturn September's meeting, yes.Sandpit said:
So Labour spent the whole day yesterday leading the news with their antisemitism enquiry, and after an hours-long meeting of their NEC they still couldn’t agree to simply use the standard definition without caveat, thus pleasing no-one and keeping the story running for longer. Did I get that right?Scott_P said:
The root cause of Hard Left anti-Semitism is based on the same paranoid prejudice of the Far Right - a belief that the capitalist system is a system designed for the benefit of the Jews - the Jewish Conspiracy. That is the real reason Corbyn and his allies hate Jews. Their support of Palestine is simply an effect, not the cause. He is simply a left wing racist, and he and his fellow travellers and supporters should be called out as such.
Though fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists coming up fast on the rail.0 -
There's brand new, new (modern) but not brand new, and old ("character"). The point here is the first costs more than the second.Anazina said:
Down here, old homes are more expensive than new build. People like living in old houses.Philip_Thompson said:
What a load of codswallop. New build homes are always more expensive than older comparable homes, always have been, if you buy a new build its value will go down before it goes up. Moving within 3 years of buying is risky. Any buyer is warned the value could go down as well as up.Pulpstar said:Here come the h2b sob stories...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-6131611/Help-Buy-left-trapped.html0 -
Others have pointed out the note of caution that needs to be struck, with the past vote recall for Remain having remorselessly crept up.williamglenn said:John Curtice has a new poll: Remain 59%, Leave 41%.
https://whatukthinks.org/eu/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/WUKT-EU-Briefing-Paper-14-July-18-Analysis-paper_v3.pdf
This can, of course, be the effect that has been noted in political polling where people mentally edit their own memories to having voted for "the right" result last time (so there may be some people who voted Leave have decided it was a mistake and want to remember having voted Remain instead), but that's an assumption that would have to be spelt out specifically and may or may note be sound in any case.
One interesting finding for me was on the age breakdown. When you have a significant difference age-wise in opinion, it can be one of two things:
1 - An opinion that tends to change as we age. A good example of this is Conservative support; it's been frequently discussed that if this didn't happen, the Conservatives would have crashed in support by now. Many of the 18-24-year-olds in 1974 who were very anti-Conservative in recorded polls are now the 60+ cohort that forms their bedrock.
2 - A cohort effect that doesn't change as we age and produces a change in overall outlook as the young age and become a larger and larger segment of society and the older generation with different opinions die off. Gay rights seems to be an example in this area; those who supported gay rights overall in youth seem to have maintained their stance into middle age.
There have been indications that Brexit opinion appears to be a cohort effect rather than an age-change effect, and Curtice's findings indicate that this is not only the case, but cohort strengths (age-wise) are hardening.0 -
Or the 9 times the size of the rest nation makes up the stereotypes, and they don't want to apply one to themselves.JosiasJessop said:
Leaving aside your rather snarky last line, is that because to a large extent England doesn't have as much of a unique identity amongst the Kingdom's nations? Scotland, Wales and NI have their own unique identities - go to an Edinburgh tourist shop and you can buy a Saltire flag. In London you're more likely to find a Union Jack.Theuniondivvie said:
Odd that out of the 4 Home 'Nations', it's only England that historically escapes a stereotype.TOPPING said:
Africans run fast, Scots mean, Icelanders suicidal (?), etc, etc...free to believe it all of course but for the leader of the opposition...Roger said:
It's probably more simple than that. He sees the Jews as disproportionately wealthy and he sees the Palestinians as being downtrodden by an imperialist power. An irresistable emnity for anyone on hard left. Though the first of these is a stereotype too far I don't see anything wrong with believing whatever he wants about Israel. No other country is out of bounds nor should they be.Nigel_Foremain said:
The problem Labour has to attend to is where does this anti-Semitism spring from. Most believe it is related to Palestine. I think this is just an excuse. My belief is that it was encapsulated in that racist poster that Corbyn failed to condemn.MarqueeMark said:
Well, until the newly-formed NEC in October decides to overturn September's meeting, yes.Sandpit said:
So Labour spent the whole day yesterday leading the news with their antisemitism enquiry, and after an hours-long meeting of their NEC they still couldn’t agree to simply use the standard definition without caveat, thus pleasing no-one and keeping the story running for longer. Did I get that right?Scott_P said:
The root cause of Hard Left anti-Semitism is based on the same paranoid prejudice of the Far Right - a belief that the capitalist system is a system designed for the benefit of the Jews - the Jewish Conspiracy. That is the real reason Corbyn and his allies hate Jews. Their support of Palestine is simply an effect, not the cause. He is simply a left wing racist, and he and his fellow travellers and supporters should be called out as such.
Though fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists coming up fast on the rail.0 -
Hold your head in your hands in despairNemtynakht said:
It is a sad day for those of us who want a functioning democracy.Scott_P said:0 -
It is conflating Jews and Israel though. The stereotype of Jews is racist, but it is the counterpoint that I find particularly disturbing. The Palestinians suffer at the hands of Israel, not Jews. Palestinians attack the citizens and state of Israel, not Jews.Roger said:
It's probably more simple than that. He sees the Jews as disproportionately wealthy and he sees the Palestinians as being downtrodden by an imperialist power. An irresistable emnity for anyone on hard left. Though the first of these is a stereotype too far I don't see anything wrong with believing whatever he wants about Israel. No other country is out of bounds nor should they be.Nigel_Foremain said:
The problem Labour has to attend to is where does this anti-Semitism spring from. Most believe it is related to Palestine. I think this is just an excuse. My belief is that it was encapsulated in that racist poster that Corbyn failed to condemn.MarqueeMark said:
Well, until the newly-formed NEC in October decides to overturn September's meeting, yes.Sandpit said:
So Labour spent the whole day yesterday leading the news with their antisemitism enquiry, and after an hours-long meeting of their NEC they still couldn’t agree to simply use the standard definition without caveat, thus pleasing no-one and keeping the story running for longer. Did I get that right?Scott_P said:
The root cause of Hard Left anti-Semitism is based on the same paranoid prejudice of the Far Right - a belief that the capitalist system is a system designed for the benefit of the Jews - the Jewish Conspiracy. That is the real reason Corbyn and his allies hate Jews. Their support of Palestine is simply an effect, not the cause. He is simply a left wing racist, and he and his fellow travellers and supporters should be called out as such.0 -
Jeremy Corbyn isn't in government but all the usual suspects are salivating over the questions of anti-Semitism. It just seems that some people being horrible to minorities exercise Leavers far more than other people. The hypocrisy is, of course, disgusting.Nemtynakht said:
It was noticed but ignored. Unless you can point me to Farage’s office in government where he is directly targeting people.AlastairMeeks said:Meanwhile, an actual example of people of other nationalities being directly (rather than abstractly) targeted is passing unnoticed.
https://twitter.com/cliodiaspora/status/1037065464130744320
The grown ups in government aren’t doing it, it is toddler Farage throwing one of his increasingly insane tantrums trying to be noticed.0 -
I regularly work 100hrs a week...I better keep off the twitter machine just in case....Sandpit said:
There’s that too.JosiasJessop said:
He also needs to learn that calling a journalist "you fucking asshole" in an email just for asking sane questions is, just perhaps, not wise wrt media relations.Sandpit said:
Musk needs to spend a month on a desert island with no phone and no drugs. He’s completely burned out and can’t be of any use to anyone right now.FrancisUrquhart said:
Popcorn time...especially if he decides to part-take in Joe Rogan's various vices that he offers his guests from time to time. Alex Jones being an extremely memorable one.Pulpstar said:
He's on Joe Rogan's show tommorow evening.FrancisUrquhart said:Talking of totally losing it....he is at it again...
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanmac/elon-musk-thai-cave-rescuer-accusations-buzzfeed-email
Although in all seriousness, you would think that his legal advisers will be saying no questions on the cave stuff and screaming at Elon not to do a Red Ken.
He also needs to make a serious and unequivocal apology to the caveman, before said caveman finds himself a good lawyer and sues him for millions.
Rogan won’t care what questions someone doesn’t want to be asked, he’d be more than happy to see his guest start screaming or walk out.
I’ve always been a huge admirer of Musk and his achievements, but like a lot of business owners there doesn’t appear to be anyone around him prepared to have a quiet word in his ear. There’s a limit to how long a man can work over 100 hours a week and he’s clearly crossed that line.
I really hope that he’s got a lot of paperwork on his bid to take the company private, because if he hasn’t he’ll be Bernie Madoff’s next door neighbour next year.0 -
Jeez, what the hell are they playing at? Do they really want to take their party to the brink over the right to be racist?Scott_P said:ttps://twitter.com/GnasherJew/status/1037268281663647744
It’s got to be damn close to the point now where those members and MPs who stand by and do nothing are complicit in the racism. Meanwhile, nobody is holding the government to account, which is the primary role of Her Majestey’s Opposition.0 -
I was a big fan of Musk, but several things concerned me over time. One big one was Ashlee Vance's biography of him. This was meant to be a hagiography, but even then you could sometimes see the author metaphorically shaking his head and asking, "what the f***?"Sandpit said:
There’s that too.JosiasJessop said:
He also needs to learn that calling a journalist "you fucking asshole" in an email just for asking sane questions is, just perhaps, not wise wrt media relations.Sandpit said:
Musk needs to spend a month on a desert island with no phone and no drugs. He’s completely burned out and can’t be of any use to anyone right now.FrancisUrquhart said:
Popcorn time...especially if he decides to part-take in Joe Rogan's various vices that he offers his guests from time to time. Alex Jones being an extremely memorable one.Pulpstar said:
He's on Joe Rogan's show tommorow evening.FrancisUrquhart said:Talking of totally losing it....he is at it again...
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanmac/elon-musk-thai-cave-rescuer-accusations-buzzfeed-email
Although in all seriousness, you would think that his legal advisers will be saying no questions on the cave stuff and screaming at Elon not to do a Red Ken.
He also needs to make a serious and unequivocal apology to the caveman, before said caveman finds himself a good lawyer and sues him for millions.
Rogan won’t care what questions someone doesn’t want to be asked, he’d be more than happy to see his guest start screaming or walk out.
I’ve always been a huge admirer of Musk and his achievements, but like a lot of business owners there doesn’t appear to be anyone around him prepared to have a quiet word in his ear. There’s a limit to how long a man can work over 100 hours a week and he’s clearly crossed that line.
I really hope that he’s got a lot of paperwork on his bid to take the company private, because if he hasn’t he’ll be Bernie Madoff’s next door neighbour next year.
For instance, he once lambasted an employee for choosing to go to the birth of his child rather than attend a company function. Or the way he treated his long-standing PA. Or the way he treated his first wife...
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Comparable I said. There's a difference between new build, second-hand relatively new builds and old houses. Proper old homes are often bigger etc and so aren't comparable to new builds, but former new-builds are comparable to brand new-builds but the brand new-build will carry a premium for being brand new.Anazina said:
Down here, old homes are more expensive than new build. People like living in old houses.Philip_Thompson said:
What a load of codswallop. New build homes are always more expensive than older comparable homes, always have been, if you buy a new build its value will go down before it goes up. Moving within 3 years of buying is risky. Any buyer is warned the value could go down as well as up.Pulpstar said:Here come the h2b sob stories...
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The whole sage shows us the Hard Left mindset. Never mind the actual issue, consider how they go about matters.
It amounts to: I am utterly, utterly right about this, and everyone else is wrong, and I will not listen to any other points of view and will not consider any compromise (no matter how small), no matter how extreme my position clearly appears to others.
I will go and on about it, keep engineering things, keep working away, keep voicing my opinion, bully and shout and chase people on social media etc etc. Until everyone else gets bored, disillusioned, scared etc and walks away.
This is how they will run a government.0 -
New homes are always priced above comparable homes in the area by around 10%. I know someone who used to set the prices.Ishmael_Z said:
There's brand new, new (modern) but not brand new, and old ("character"). The point here is the first costs more than the second.Anazina said:
Down here, old homes are more expensive than new build. People like living in old houses.Philip_Thompson said:
What a load of codswallop. New build homes are always more expensive than older comparable homes, always have been, if you buy a new build its value will go down before it goes up. Moving within 3 years of buying is risky. Any buyer is warned the value could go down as well as up.Pulpstar said:Here come the h2b sob stories...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-6131611/Help-Buy-left-trapped.html0 -
You are turning into a bit like Red Ken...the answer to every question results is this statement.AlastairMeeks said:
Jeremy Corbyn isn't in government but all the usual suspects are salivating over the questions of anti-Semitism. It just seems that some people being horrible to minorities exercise Leavers far more than other people. The hypocrisy is, of course, disgusting.Nemtynakht said:
It was noticed but ignored. Unless you can point me to Farage’s office in government where he is directly targeting people.AlastairMeeks said:Meanwhile, an actual example of people of other nationalities being directly (rather than abstractly) targeted is passing unnoticed.
https://twitter.com/cliodiaspora/status/1037065464130744320
The grown ups in government aren’t doing it, it is toddler Farage throwing one of his increasingly insane tantrums trying to be noticed.0 -
Dissent will not be tolerated. Certainly no Tony Blair-esque big tent.rottenborough said:The whole sage shows us the Hard Left mindset. Never mind the actual issue, consider how they go about matters.
It amounts to: I am utterly, utterly right about this, and everyone else is wrong, and I will not listen to any other points of view and will not consider any compromise (no matter how small), no matter how extreme my position clearly appears to others.
I will go and on about it, keep engineering things, keep working away, keep voicing my opinion, bully and shout and chase people on social media etc etc. Until everyone else gets bored, disillusioned, scared etc and walks away.
This is how they will run a government.0 -
On the Brexit poll, I find all 'Leave/Remain' polling a bit suspicious either way, as the swing voters who are key largely don't give a monkeys as long as whatever we do, the outcome doesn't mess up their lives or jobs. Usually it depends on how you ask the question. With hindsight, having our time again, I think Remain wins by a landslide given the utter shambles that has gone on since. If a referendum were called now, not so sure - there's a sense (mistaken in my view) that leaving is now a democratic project that must be pursued - and that admitting we made a terrible mistake would be a national humiliation. As with Corbyn, people will continue defending something or someone far beyond what they would have done before they initially did, purely because psychologically saying "sorry, I was a fool, you naysayers were right" is bloody awful.
That said, it should utterly shame Brexiteers. We're basically at the point where the only tangible benefit to their project is that it avoids admitting we were sold a pig in a poke. If there was a vision that wasn't illusory guff, where was it? If the vision was reasonable and measured, why have they spent two years whinnying about platitudes, nonsensical schemes and empty threats rather than admitting what can and cannot be done, what the costs are short, medium and long term, and how we might get some form of benefit in the future. I suspect why they haven't is that smarter Brexiteers know the whole thing is an utter fraud.
A lot of this mess could've been avoided if Cameron or May had levelled with people after the referendum and sought a compromise that got us out in name, with possible future movements away, but which averted the technical problems of severing relationships that have become far too intertwined to be pulled apart in a few years without excruciating economic pain.0 -
I'm unsure that England makes up many of the stereotypes of Scotland that you see on display throughout your lovely country.Theuniondivvie said:
Or the 9 times the size of the rest nation makes up the stereotypes, and they don't want to apply one to themselves.JosiasJessop said:
Leaving aside your rather snarky last line, is that because to a large extent England doesn't have as much of a unique identity amongst the Kingdom's nations? Scotland, Wales and NI have their own unique identities - go to an Edinburgh tourist shop and you can buy a Saltire flag. In London you're more likely to find a Union Jack.Theuniondivvie said:
Odd that out of the 4 Home 'Nations', it's only England that historically escapes a stereotype.TOPPING said:
Africans run fast, Scots mean, Icelanders suicidal (?), etc, etc...free to believe it all of course but for the leader of the opposition...Roger said:
It's probably more simple than that. He sees the Jews as disproportionately wealthy and he sees the Palestinians as being downtrodden by an imperialist power. An irresistable emnity for anyone on hard left. Though the first of these is a stereotype too far I don't see anything wrong with believing whatever he wants about Israel. No other country is out of bounds nor should they be.Nigel_Foremain said:
The problem Labour has to attend to is where does this anti-Semitism spring from. Most believe it is related to Palestine. I think this is just an excuse. My belief is that it was encapsulated in that racist poster that Corbyn failed to condemn.MarqueeMark said:
Well, until the newly-formed NEC in October decides to overturn September's meeting, yes.Sandpit said:
So Labour spent the whole day yesterday leading the news with their antisemitism enquiry, and after an hours-long meeting of their NEC they still couldn’t agree to simply use the standard definition without caveat, thus pleasing no-one and keeping the story running for longer. Did I get that right?Scott_P said:
The root cause of Hard Left anti-Semitism is based on the same paranoid prejudice of the Far Right - a belief that the capitalist system is a system designed for the benefit of the Jews - the Jewish Conspiracy. That is the real reason Corbyn and his allies hate Jews. Their support of Palestine is simply an effect, not the cause. He is simply a left wing racist, and he and his fellow travellers and supporters should be called out as such.
Though fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists coming up fast on the rail.0 -
Doubt it, there's always warning signs that you could end in negative equity.tlg86 said:
Friends of mine have done this and it sounded to me like they were told "prices will go up in the next few years to cover the government loan, you can then move to another property."Philip_Thompson said:
What a load of codswallop. New build homes are always more expensive than older comparable homes, always have been, if you buy a new build its value will go down before it goes up. Moving within 3 years of buying is risky. Any buyer is warned the value could go down as well as up.Pulpstar said:Here come the h2b sob stories...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-6131611/Help-Buy-left-trapped.html
It could be the next misselling scandal.
Did they not get advice from a solicitor before completion? I bought a new build 8 years ago, not through help to buy and for the first five years those who sold lost money on it. It's now worth more than what I paid for it but only basically by inflation. We had to pay for our own solicitor before completion.0 -
Quite but stereotyping countries is different. 'Saudi Arabia is a primitive brutal backwater that no civilised country should do business with'.TOPPING said:
Africans run fast, Scots mean, Icelanders suicidal (?), etc, etc...free to believe it all of course but for the leader of the opposition...Roger said:
It's probably more simple than that. He sees the Jews as disproportionately wealthy and he sees the Palestinians as being downtrodden by an imperialist power. An irresistable emnity for anyone on hard left. Though the first of these is a stereotype too far I don't see anything wrong with believing whatever he wants about Israel. No other country is out of bounds nor should they be.Nigel_Foremain said:
The problem Labour has to attend to is where does this anti-Semitism spring from. Most believe it is related to Palestine. I think this is just an excuse. My belief is that it was encapsulated in that racist poster that Corbyn failed to condemn.MarqueeMark said:
Well, until the newly-formed NEC in October decides to overturn September's meeting, yes.Sandpit said:
So Labour spent the whole day yesterday leading the news with their antisemitism enquiry, and after an hours-long meeting of their NEC they still couldn’t agree to simply use the standard definition without caveat, thus pleasing no-one and keeping the story running for longer. Did I get that right?Scott_P said:
The root cause of Hard Left anti-Semitism is based on the same paranoid prejudice of the Far Right - a belief that the capitalist system is a system designed for the benefit of the Jews - the Jewish Conspiracy. That is the real reason Corbyn and his allies hate Jews. Their support of Palestine is simply an effect, not the cause. He is simply a left wing racist, and he and his fellow travellers and supporters should be called out as such.0 -
If you think Nigel Farage has any chance of leading our country, then Brexit has made you lose it more than is normally apparent. People want a government a functioning opposition parties. The fact is that a historic party of government is flaggelating itself over the right to be racist, rather than holding the government to account. This is significantly more important than an ex-leader of a fringe party (only one elected MP) spouting his nonsense in America because he cannot get elected as an MP.AlastairMeeks said:
Jeremy Corbyn isn't in government but all the usual suspects are salivating over the questions of anti-Semitism. It just seems that some people being horrible to minorities exercise Leavers far more than other people. The hypocrisy is, of course, disgusting.Nemtynakht said:
It was noticed but ignored. Unless you can point me to Farage’s office in government where he is directly targeting people.AlastairMeeks said:Meanwhile, an actual example of people of other nationalities being directly (rather than abstractly) targeted is passing unnoticed.
https://twitter.com/cliodiaspora/status/1037065464130744320
The grown ups in government aren’t doing it, it is toddler Farage throwing one of his increasingly insane tantrums trying to be noticed.
But carry on deluding yourself if you want to. I cannot see why you want to pay any attention to Farage - most right thinking people don’t except to laugh at him.0 -
Isn’t one of the problems that the developer offers “Free conveyancing” as part of the deal, so buyers are not retaining their own solicitor but rather using one retained by and paid for by the developer?Philip_Thompson said:
Doubt it, there's always warning signs that you could end in negative equity.tlg86 said:
Friends of mine have done this and it sounded to me like they were told "prices will go up in the next few years to cover the government loan, you can then move to another property."Philip_Thompson said:
What a load of codswallop. New build homes are always more expensive than older comparable homes, always have been, if you buy a new build its value will go down before it goes up. Moving within 3 years of buying is risky. Any buyer is warned the value could go down as well as up.Pulpstar said:Here come the h2b sob stories...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-6131611/Help-Buy-left-trapped.html
It could be the next misselling scandal.
Did they not get advice from a solicitor before completion? I bought a new build 8 years ago, not through help to buy and for the first five years those who sold lost money on it. It's now worth more than what I paid for it but only basically by inflation. We had to pay for our own solicitor before completion.0 -
Unless it was during a particularly extreme period of self loathing, I don't think it was the Jocks, Paddys or Taffs who created the main stereotypes of themselves as respectively mean, stupid and thieves.JosiasJessop said:
I'm unsure that England makes up many of the stereotypes of Scotland that you see on display throughout your lovely country.0 -
Just checked with my colleague, new home builders tend to push their own solicitors and there is less due diligence than an independent might make (She had one of those doubling ground rent thingies, but that's now fixed)Philip_Thompson said:
Doubt it, there's always warning signs that you could end in negative equity.tlg86 said:
Friends of mine have done this and it sounded to me like they were told "prices will go up in the next few years to cover the government loan, you can then move to another property."Philip_Thompson said:
What a load of codswallop. New build homes are always more expensive than older comparable homes, always have been, if you buy a new build its value will go down before it goes up. Moving within 3 years of buying is risky. Any buyer is warned the value could go down as well as up.Pulpstar said:Here come the h2b sob stories...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-6131611/Help-Buy-left-trapped.html
It could be the next misselling scandal.
Did they not get advice from a solicitor before completion?0 -
Don't know but when we bought ours we needed to pay for our own.Sandpit said:
Isn’t one of the problems that the developer offers “Free conveyancing” as part of the deal, so buyers are not retaining their own solicitor but rather using one retained by and paid for by the developer?Philip_Thompson said:
Doubt it, there's always warning signs that you could end in negative equity.tlg86 said:
Friends of mine have done this and it sounded to me like they were told "prices will go up in the next few years to cover the government loan, you can then move to another property."Philip_Thompson said:
What a load of codswallop. New build homes are always more expensive than older comparable homes, always have been, if you buy a new build its value will go down before it goes up. Moving within 3 years of buying is risky. Any buyer is warned the value could go down as well as up.Pulpstar said:Here come the h2b sob stories...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-6131611/Help-Buy-left-trapped.html
It could be the next misselling scandal.
Did they not get advice from a solicitor before completion? I bought a new build 8 years ago, not through help to buy and for the first five years those who sold lost money on it. It's now worth more than what I paid for it but only basically by inflation. We had to pay for our own solicitor before completion.
Plus the bank has to do a valuation too in order to get your mortgage approved.0 -
The same applied to packaged bank accounts and PPI. Didn't stop multi billion payouts resulting and years of harassment of the entire country via endless emails, calls and letters about claiming your PPI payout. Oh I didn't realise when I signed up to make extra payments to pay off my loan in case I lost my job or that I didn't need to pay £12 a month to have a bank account with free travel and mobile phone insurance and breakdown cover etc etc ad nauseam.Philip_Thompson said:
Doubt it, there's always warning signs that you could end in negative equity.tlg86 said:
Friends of mine have done this and it sounded to me like they were told "prices will go up in the next few years to cover the government loan, you can then move to another property."Philip_Thompson said:
What a load of codswallop. New build homes are always more expensive than older comparable homes, always have been, if you buy a new build its value will go down before it goes up. Moving within 3 years of buying is risky. Any buyer is warned the value could go down as well as up.Pulpstar said:Here come the h2b sob stories...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-6131611/Help-Buy-left-trapped.html
It could be the next misselling scandal.
Did they not get advice from a solicitor before completion? I bought a new build 8 years ago, not through help to buy and for the first five years those who sold lost money on it. It's now worth more than what I paid for it but only basically by inflation. We had to pay for our own solicitor before completion.
How about a bailout for the prudent - by stopping bailouts of the dumb (or who play dumb) and those who borrow more than they can Afford?0 -
I thought all Welsh people sang?Theuniondivvie said:
Unless it was during a particularly extreme period of self loathing, I don't think it was the Jocks, Paddys or Taffs who created the main stereotypes of themselves as respectively mean, stupid and thieves.JosiasJessop said:
I'm unsure that England makes up many of the stereotypes of Scotland that you see on display throughout your lovely country.0 -
I think in your post the second example (country stereotype) was a direct consequence of the first example (Jews are disproportionately wealthy). Couldn't get a fag paper between those views.Roger said:
Quite but stereotyping countries is different. 'Saudi Arabia is a primitive brutal backwater that no civilised country should do business with'.TOPPING said:
Africans run fast, Scots mean, Icelanders suicidal (?), etc, etc...free to believe it all of course but for the leader of the opposition...Roger said:
It's probably more simple than that. He sees the Jews as disproportionately wealthy and he sees the Palestinians as being downtrodden by an imperialist power. An irresistable emnity for anyone on hard left. Though the first of these is a stereotype too far I don't see anything wrong with believing whatever he wants about Israel. No other country is out of bounds nor should they be.Nigel_Foremain said:
The problem Labour has to attend to is where does this anti-Semitism spring from. Most believe it is related to Palestine. I think this is just an excuse. My belief is that it was encapsulated in that racist poster that Corbyn failed to condemn.MarqueeMark said:
Well, until the newly-formed NEC in October decides to overturn September's meeting, yes.Sandpit said:
So Labour spent the whole day yesterday leading the news with their antisemitism enquiry, and after an hours-long meeting of their NEC they still couldn’t agree to simply use the standard definition without caveat, thus pleasing no-one and keeping the story running for longer. Did I get that right?Scott_P said:
The root cause of Hard Left anti-Semitism is based on the same paranoid prejudice of the Far Right - a belief that the capitalist system is a system designed for the benefit of the Jews - the Jewish Conspiracy. That is the real reason Corbyn and his allies hate Jews. Their support of Palestine is simply an effect, not the cause. He is simply a left wing racist, and he and his fellow travellers and supporters should be called out as such.0 -
Really? That’s 7am-midnight, six days a week with no breaks.FrancisUrquhart said:
I regularly work 100hrs a week...I better keep off the twitter machine just in case....Sandpit said:
There’s that too.JosiasJessop said:
He also needs to learn that calling a journalist "you fucking asshole" in an email just for asking sane questions is, just perhaps, not wise wrt media relations.Sandpit said:
Musk needs to spend a month on a desert island with no phone and no drugs. He’s completely burned out and can’t be of any use to anyone right now.FrancisUrquhart said:
Popcorn time...especially if he decides to part-take in Joe Rogan's various vices that he offers his guests from time to time. Alex Jones being an extremely memorable one.Pulpstar said:
He's on Joe Rogan's show tommorow evening.FrancisUrquhart said:Talking of totally losing it....he is at it again...
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanmac/elon-musk-thai-cave-rescuer-accusations-buzzfeed-email
Although in all seriousness, you would think that his legal advisers will be saying no questions on the cave stuff and screaming at Elon not to do a Red Ken.
He also needs to make a serious and unequivocal apology to the caveman, before said caveman finds himself a good lawyer and sues him for millions.
Rogan won’t care what questions someone doesn’t want to be asked, he’d be more than happy to see his guest start screaming or walk out.
I’ve always been a huge admirer of Musk and his achievements, but like a lot of business owners there doesn’t appear to be anyone around him prepared to have a quiet word in his ear. There’s a limit to how long a man can work over 100 hours a week and he’s clearly crossed that line.
I really hope that he’s got a lot of paperwork on his bid to take the company private, because if he hasn’t he’ll be Bernie Madoff’s next door neighbour next year.
I could do that when I was 18 and paid by the hour in a bar job, but not at anything which requires mental agility and high pressure decision making. At the crunch point of a project it can be done for a week or two purely on adrenaline, but after that the brain and body start to suffer serious fatigue.0 -
The question could only be the same. Leave or Remain?logical_song said:
You're missing the point, given that there's no majority for any of the suggested plans, the only way out is to throw the decision back to the people - but this time with a much less vague question.Sean_F said:
There is no agreed view about what a Peoples' Vote would be about. Any deal with the EU won't be finalised for some years.logical_song said:
There's no majority for Chequers, WTO, Canada, Norway or Crash Out. The UK doesn't have an agreed negotiating position, what option is there except a new 'People's Vote' or a General Election?Foxy said:
Though if there has been a genuine movement in opinion against Brexit leaving anyway does provide its own challenge to British democracy.SquareRoot said:It doesn't matter how many polls haver remain in front. We are leaving , end of story.
A general election could be a good idea if Labour were fully committed to Remain and the Conservatives to Brexit, with no rebels on either side.0 -
Andy Burnham wants a second referendum. The Colossus of the Pennines has spoke. It's over.0
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Probably not this one.Bromptonaut said:
I thought all Welsh people sang?Theuniondivvie said:
Unless it was during a particularly extreme period of self loathing, I don't think it was the Jocks, Paddys or Taffs who created the main stereotypes of themselves as respectively mean, stupid and thieves.JosiasJessop said:
I'm unsure that England makes up many of the stereotypes of Scotland that you see on display throughout your lovely country.
https://tinyurl.com/ycfcvg7e0 -
Leave supporters are much tougher, due to eating faggots and leak puddings, and performing manual labour. Remainers are weaker, from eating foreign muck, and doing poncy jobs.MarqueeMark said:
But we have a 52:48 numerical edge....SouthamObserver said:
Under 50s v Over 50s. Hmmmm.MarqueeMark said:
In a stand-up fight between Remain voters v Leave voters, I reckon the whiny wimpy spineless Remainers would get a hell of a pasting.....Foxy said:
They will attack with a phalanx of zimmer frames.JosiasJessop said:
Are you saying leavers are violent thugs?SquareRoot said:
IF we decided to remain, there would be riots, I kid you not.Foxy said:
Though if there has been a genuine movement in opinion against Brexit leaving anyway does provide its own challenge to British democracy.SquareRoot said:It doesn't matter how many polls haver remain in front. We are leaving , end of story.
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If you think Nigel Farage has no influence on the direction of Brexit, you're losing it.Nemtynakht said:
If you think Nigel Farage has any chance of leading our country, then Brexit has made you lose it more than is normally apparent. People want a government a functioning opposition parties. The fact is that a historic party of government is flaggelating itself over the right to be racist, rather than holding the government to account. This is significantly more important than an ex-leader of a fringe party (only one elected MP) spouting his nonsense in America because he cannot get elected as an MP.AlastairMeeks said:
Jeremy Corbyn isn't in government but all the usual suspects are salivating over the questions of anti-Semitism. It just seems that some people being horrible to minorities exercise Leavers far more than other people. The hypocrisy is, of course, disgusting.Nemtynakht said:
It was noticed but ignored. Unless you can point me to Farage’s office in government where he is directly targeting people.AlastairMeeks said:Meanwhile, an actual example of people of other nationalities being directly (rather than abstractly) targeted is passing unnoticed.
https://twitter.com/cliodiaspora/status/1037065464130744320
The grown ups in government aren’t doing it, it is toddler Farage throwing one of his increasingly insane tantrums trying to be noticed.
But carry on deluding yourself if you want to. I cannot see why you want to pay any attention to Farage - most right thinking people don’t except to laugh at him.0 -
Since the hypocrisy of the site's Leavers is rampant, it needs regularly pointing out.FrancisUrquhart said:
You are turning into a bit like Red Ken...the answer to every question results is this statement.AlastairMeeks said:
Jeremy Corbyn isn't in government but all the usual suspects are salivating over the questions of anti-Semitism. It just seems that some people being horrible to minorities exercise Leavers far more than other people. The hypocrisy is, of course, disgusting.Nemtynakht said:
It was noticed but ignored. Unless you can point me to Farage’s office in government where he is directly targeting people.AlastairMeeks said:Meanwhile, an actual example of people of other nationalities being directly (rather than abstractly) targeted is passing unnoticed.
https://twitter.com/cliodiaspora/status/1037065464130744320
The grown ups in government aren’t doing it, it is toddler Farage throwing one of his increasingly insane tantrums trying to be noticed.0 -
LOLSean_F said:
Leave supporters are much tougher, due to eating faggots and leak puddings, and performing manual labour. Remainers are weaker, from eating foreign muck, and doing poncy jobs.MarqueeMark said:
But we have a 52:48 numerical edge....SouthamObserver said:
Under 50s v Over 50s. Hmmmm.MarqueeMark said:
In a stand-up fight between Remain voters v Leave voters, I reckon the whiny wimpy spineless Remainers would get a hell of a pasting.....Foxy said:
They will attack with a phalanx of zimmer frames.JosiasJessop said:
Are you saying leavers are violent thugs?SquareRoot said:
IF we decided to remain, there would be riots, I kid you not.Foxy said:
Though if there has been a genuine movement in opinion against Brexit leaving anyway does provide its own challenge to British democracy.SquareRoot said:It doesn't matter how many polls haver remain in front. We are leaving , end of story.
Haslet also for the Leavers. Plenty of it. And why not.0 -
And under which borders - the original Resolution 181 borders (I believe Corbyn has said that these are the borders which should be recognised) or the ones following the 1948 war, which is what are now internationally recognised as Israel’s borders, or something else.rottenborough said:It is time Jezza faced the press and answered a straight question:
Does he believe Israel has a right to exist?
Yes or No.
In any case, neither Gaza nor the post-1967 occupied territories are recognised as part of Israel and it is Israel’s settlements in the latter and treatment of non-Israelis which is, rightly, the source of much criticism.
Corbyn and others seem incapable of criticising Israel’s behaviour in the occupied territories without calling into question Israel’s very existence. Hence the urgent desire to be able to call Israel racist because that will make it easier to justify calling for Israel’s disappearance from the map, which is what Corbyn’s Palestinian friends want. The issue about the language which too many of the Corbynistas want to use is not whether it is anti-semitic or not but that, by implication, it is exterminatory in its aims. If Israel is a racist or Nazi state why would you not want it to disappear. That is why the language is so important.
The people using this sort of language are not fundamentally interested in making Israel behave better but in making it disappear.
Nonetheless it is an appalling thing even to be suggesting and should be called out by decent people.Nemtynakht said:
It was noticed but ignored. Unless you can point me to Farage’s office in government where he is directly targeting people.AlastairMeeks said:Meanwhile, an actual example of people of other nationalities being directly (rather than abstractly) targeted is passing unnoticed.
https://twitter.com/cliodiaspora/status/1037065464130744320
The grown ups in government aren’t doing it, it is toddler Farage throwing one of his increasingly insane tantrums trying to be noticed.0 -
Avoid "free conveyancing" like the plague.Sandpit said:
Isn’t one of the problems that the developer offers “Free conveyancing” as part of the deal, so buyers are not retaining their own solicitor but rather using one retained by and paid for by the developer?Philip_Thompson said:
Doubt it, there's always warning signs that you could end in negative equity.tlg86 said:
Friends of mine have done this and it sounded to me like they were told "prices will go up in the next few years to cover the government loan, you can then move to another property."Philip_Thompson said:
What a load of codswallop. New build homes are always more expensive than older comparable homes, always have been, if you buy a new build its value will go down before it goes up. Moving within 3 years of buying is risky. Any buyer is warned the value could go down as well as up.Pulpstar said:Here come the h2b sob stories...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-6131611/Help-Buy-left-trapped.html
It could be the next misselling scandal.
Did they not get advice from a solicitor before completion? I bought a new build 8 years ago, not through help to buy and for the first five years those who sold lost money on it. It's now worth more than what I paid for it but only basically by inflation. We had to pay for our own solicitor before completion.0 -
I paid for my own too, albeit 15 years ago. I imagine that for most first time buyers it’s just another several hundred quid they don’t have, and it’s an optional payment as they have the offer of a free solicitor from the developer.Philip_Thompson said:
Don't know but when we bought ours we needed to pay for our own.Sandpit said:
Isn’t one of the problems that the developer offers “Free conveyancing” as part of the deal, so buyers are not retaining their own solicitor but rather using one retained by and paid for by the developer?Philip_Thompson said:
Doubt it, there's always warning signs that you could end in negative equity.tlg86 said:
Friends of mine have done this and it sounded to me like they were told "prices will go up in the next few years to cover the government loan, you can then move to another property."Philip_Thompson said:
What a load of codswallop. New build homes are always more expensive than older comparable homes, always have been, if you buy a new build its value will go down before it goes up. Moving within 3 years of buying is risky. Any buyer is warned the value could go down as well as up.Pulpstar said:Here come the h2b sob stories...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-6131611/Help-Buy-left-trapped.html
It could be the next misselling scandal.
Did they not get advice from a solicitor before completion? I bought a new build 8 years ago, not through help to buy and for the first five years those who sold lost money on it. It's now worth more than what I paid for it but only basically by inflation. We had to pay for our own solicitor before completion.
Plus the bank has to do a valuation too in order to get your mortgage approved.
Why the bank (and the H2B scheme) accepts the valuation is a different matter, but presumably they ask for a large enough deposit that they are happy they’ll never be upside-down on the loan, even if the buyer is.0 -
This one has been told better not toBromptonaut said:
I thought all Welsh people sang?Theuniondivvie said:
Unless it was during a particularly extreme period of self loathing, I don't think it was the Jocks, Paddys or Taffs who created the main stereotypes of themselves as respectively mean, stupid and thieves.JosiasJessop said:
I'm unsure that England makes up many of the stereotypes of Scotland that you see on display throughout your lovely country.0 -
That's what Ken says about Hitler and Zionism...AlastairMeeks said:
Since the hypocrisy of the site's Leavers is rampant, it needs regularly pointing out.FrancisUrquhart said:
You are turning into a bit like Red Ken...the answer to every question results is this statement.AlastairMeeks said:
Jeremy Corbyn isn't in government but all the usual suspects are salivating over the questions of anti-Semitism. It just seems that some people being horrible to minorities exercise Leavers far more than other people. The hypocrisy is, of course, disgusting.Nemtynakht said:
It was noticed but ignored. Unless you can point me to Farage’s office in government where he is directly targeting people.AlastairMeeks said:Meanwhile, an actual example of people of other nationalities being directly (rather than abstractly) targeted is passing unnoticed.
https://twitter.com/cliodiaspora/status/1037065464130744320
The grown ups in government aren’t doing it, it is toddler Farage throwing one of his increasingly insane tantrums trying to be noticed.0 -
TM to make a statement to the HOC immediately after PMQ's
Subject is top secret apparently but some speculation is that the Skipals nerve agent attackers will be identified0
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