On topic, why would you want people to have *faith* in politicians and governments? You can't, that's why a free society needs limited powers, separation of powers, checks and balances, transparency, human rights laws, freedom of information laws, cryptography and disrepect for authority.
The problem isn't there, it's that some voters have too much faith in politicians of their own tribe, and try to undermine the above.
Good to know the authorities have responded to my request a few weeks ago on PB to put more of this in the public domain
Listening to the very detailed explanation by the Met with photographic evidence it makes you proud of our forensic scientists, police and security services.
It is absolutely amazing and would expect this to have big consequences for Russia
I agree with all of this except, sadly, the last sentence.
Others have pointed out the note of caution that needs to be struck, with the past vote recall for Remain having remorselessly crept up. This can, of course, be the effect that has been noted in political polling where people mentally edit their own memories to having voted for "the right" result last time (so there may be some people who voted Leave have decided it was a mistake and want to remember having voted Remain instead), but that's an assumption that would have to be spelt out specifically and may or may note be sound in any case.
One interesting finding for me was on the age breakdown. When you have a significant difference age-wise in opinion, it can be one of two things: 1 - An opinion that tends to change as we age. A good example of this is Conservative support; it's been frequently discussed that if this didn't happen, the Conservatives would have crashed in support by now. Many of the 18-24-year-olds in 1974 who were very anti-Conservative in recorded polls are now the 60+ cohort that forms their bedrock. 2 - A cohort effect that doesn't change as we age and produces a change in overall outlook as the young age and become a larger and larger segment of society and the older generation with different opinions die off. Gay rights seems to be an example in this area; those who supported gay rights overall in youth seem to have maintained their stance into middle age.
There have been indications that Brexit opinion appears to be a cohort effect rather than an age-change effect, and Curtice's findings indicate that this is not only the case, but cohort strengths (age-wise) are hardening.
yes, the cohort effect of Gen X and Millennial being pro-Remain is seemingly very strong. The research seems to bode very badly indeed for those who wish to isolate us from the world.
People aged 60 and upwards in 2016 voted overwhelmingly in favour of Remain 41 years earlier. Peoples' views frequently change over their lifetimes,
In 1975 I did not vote for a Europan Union I voted for a European Economic Community.
There should have been referendums since then about the change to a political union but no such referendums were held.
Crown Prosecution Service says they have enough evidence to charge these two gentlemen.
Does his best Jezza impression....I think we need to see more evidence before we can say it was Russia.
You can rely on Jezza to take up cudgels on behalf of the 0.01% likelihood outcome....
If Jezza had been at Pearl Harbor I wonder if he would have said " I think we need to see more evidence before we can say it was the Japanese"
No. It would be: "The presence of American carriers in the Pacific is part of an obvious expansionist philosophy. I abhor all violence, and call on the Americans to peacefully hand their Pacific territories to Japan. I also call on the Americans to dismantle their illegal chemical weapons plant at Unit 731, which is a threat to the peace-loving countries of Japan and China."
Others have pointed out the note of caution that needs to be struck, with the past vote recall for Remain having remorselessly crept up. This can, of course, be the effect that has been noted in political polling where people mentally edit their own memories to having voted for "the right" result last time (so there may be some people who voted Leave have decided it was a mistake and want to remember having voted Remain instead), but that's an assumption that would have to be spelt out specifically and may or may note be sound in any case.
One interesting finding for me was on the age breakdown. When you have a significant difference age-wise in opinion, it can be one of two things: 1 - An opinion that tends to change as we age. A good example of this is Conservative support; it's been frequently discussed that if this didn't happen, the Conservatives would have crashed in support by now. Many of the 18-24-year-olds in 1974 who were very anti-Conservative in recorded polls are now the 60+ cohort that forms their bedrock. 2 - A cohort effect that doesn't change as we age and produces a change in overall outlook as the young age and become a larger and larger segment of society and the older generation with different opinions die off. Gay rights seems to be an example in this area; those who supported gay rights overall in youth seem to have maintained their stance into middle age.
There have been indications that Brexit opinion appears to be a cohort effect rather than an age-change effect, and Curtice's findings indicate that this is not only the case, but cohort strengths (age-wise) are hardening.
yes, the cohort effect of Gen X and Millennial being pro-Remain is seemingly very strong. The research seems to bode very badly indeed for those who wish to isolate us from the world.
Not as strong for the EU as you may like.
The new Survation for example has a majority of 18 to 24 year olds wanting to reclaim powers from the ECJ
I'm unsure that England makes up many of the stereotypes of Scotland that you see on display throughout your lovely country.
Unless it was during a particularly extreme period of self loathing, I don't think it was the Jocks, Paddys or Taffs who created the main stereotypes of themselves as respectively mean, stupid and thieves.
That is not what I meant, as well you know. Still, it's interesting that the negative stereotypes are the ones that you automatically jump on.
I prefer the Scotland of a red-headed piper standing in a Glen, whilst locals dance in a ceilidh. Meanwhile, in the local town, some wise people are sitting down to work out how Scotland's next success in science and engineering as someone at the bar quotes Burns.
But if you only want to see the negatives ...
(I could have added Nessie in there, or kilts.)
An authentic Brigadoonist, as I live and breath.
So anyone saying how great your country is (and I do, frequently - I even praised Glasgow recently after a couple of walks through it) is a 'Brigadoonist', and the only stereotypes that matter are negative ones.
You appear to have issues. And the 'English' isn't one of them ...
And before you decry 'brigadoonist'; you might want to consider how much money the works and mythologies of the likes of Walter Scott or R.L. Stevenson have brought to Scotland.
I've read a lot of RLS and he had fuckall to do with Brigadoonism. However I'm a BIG fan of Anglosplainers teaching us about Scotland. Keep up the good work.
Great sentence. You managed a rare feat of being able to sound chippy, superior and vaguely nationalist/racist all at the same time. Well done, Corbyn could learn a thing or two from you!
I'm unsure that England makes up many of the stereotypes of Scotland that you see on display throughout your lovely country.
Unless it was during a particularly extreme period of self loathing, I don't think it was the Jocks, Paddys or Taffs who created the main stereotypes of themselves as respectively mean, stupid and thieves.
That is not what I meant, as well you know. Still, it's interesting that the negative stereotypes are the ones that you automatically jump on.
I prefer the Scotland of a red-headed piper standing in a Glen, whilst locals dance in a ceilidh. Meanwhile, in the local town, some wise people are sitting down to work out how Scotland's next success in science and engineering as someone at the bar quotes Burns.
But if you only want to see the negatives ...
(I could have added Nessie in there, or kilts.)
An authentic Brigadoonist, as I live and breath.
So anyone saying how great your country is (and I do, frequently - I even praised Glasgow recently after a couple of walks through it) is a 'Brigadoonist', and the only stereotypes that matter are negative ones.
You appear to have issues. And the 'English' isn't one of them ...
And before you decry 'brigadoonist'; you might want to consider how much money the works and mythologies of the likes of Walter Scott or R.L. Stevenson have brought to Scotland.
I've read a lot of RLS and he had fuckall to do with Brigadoonism. However I'm a BIG fan of Anglosplainers teaching us about Scotland. Keep up the good work.
Another quite nasty reply. I am not trying to 'teach' anyone (least of all you).
I would like to point out I said, "the likes of," in the fact that works by those two fantastic authors are to lesser or greater degrees fantasies, like Brigadoon. And ones that have been very valuable for Scotland over the years.
Perhaps you should try be positive about your lovely country once in a while, rather than just spewing negativity.
Crown Prosecution Service says they have enough evidence to charge these two gentlemen.
Does his best Jezza impression....I think we need to see more evidence before we can say it was Russia.
You can rely on Jezza to take up cudgels on behalf of the 0.01% likelihood outcome....
If Jezza had been at Pearl Harbor I wonder if he would have said " I think we need to see more evidence before we can say it was the Japanese"
A degree of reticence never shown towards the actions of Israel.....
I recently read through Hansard for all his comments on Israel and Palestine. His appro1ch seems to be to criticise Israel in lots of detail and forensically, but if anyone raise Palestinian violence his answer is always something like he is against all violence. I really cannot see how he could speak in support of Israel, or put himself in their position when being attacked. That is why I would love to see some evidence of it - it seems so unlikely to me, but he states that he sits down with all sides to try and bring about peace.
I'm unsure that England makes up many of the stereotypes of Scotland that you see on display throughout your lovely country.
Unless it was during a particularly extreme period of self loathing, I don't think it was the Jocks, Paddys or Taffs who created the main stereotypes of themselves as respectively mean, stupid and thieves.
That is not what I meant, as well you know. Still, it's interesting that the negative stereotypes are the ones that you automatically jump on.
I prefer the Scotland of a red-headed piper standing in a Glen, whilst locals dance in a ceilidh. Meanwhile, in the local town, some wise people are sitting down to work out how Scotland's next success in science and engineering as someone at the bar quotes Burns.
But if you only want to see the negatives ...
(I could have added Nessie in there, or kilts.)
An authentic Brigadoonist, as I live and breath.
So anyone saying how great your country is (and I do, frequently - I even praised Glasgow recently after a couple of walks through it) is a 'Brigadoonist', and the only stereotypes that matter are negative ones.
You appear to have issues. And the 'English' isn't one of them ...
And before you decry 'brigadoonist'; you might want to consider how much money the works and mythologies of the likes of Walter Scott or R.L. Stevenson have brought to Scotland.
I've read a lot of RLS and he had fuckall to do with Brigadoonism. However I'm a BIG fan of Anglosplainers teaching us about Scotland. Keep up the good work.
Great sentence. You managed a rare feat of being able to sound chippy, superior and vaguely nationalist/racist all at the same time. Well done, Corbyn could learn a thing or two from you!
It's three sentences.
Well without wishing to "Anglosplain" you, I was rather obviously referring to the middle one
Crown Prosecution Service says they have enough evidence to charge these two gentlemen.
Does his best Jezza impression....I think we need to see more evidence before we can say it was Russia.
You can rely on Jezza to take up cudgels on behalf of the 0.01% likelihood outcome....
If Jezza had been at Pearl Harbor I wonder if he would have said " I think we need to see more evidence before we can say it was the Japanese"
No. It would be: "The presence of American carriers in the Pacific is part of an obvious expansionist philosophy. I abhor all violence, and call on the Americans to peacefully hand their Pacific territories to Japan. I also call on the Americans to dismantle their illegal chemical weapons plant at Unit 731, which is a threat to the peace-loving countries of Japan and China."
Mrs May's dancing is better than her performance at PMQs today.
To be honest she is struggling today but maybe her mind is on her statement over the nerve agent.
Indeed that is going to be the media's story for the rest of the day and beyond
Fantastic pride on our police and security services and it says a lot about how fortunate we are to be protected by them
I doubt, if Corbyn had been PM, at the time of these attacks, that we would have had the political will or resources to do such an investigation, make its results public, charge two individuals, take sanctions against Russia and seek the co-operation of our allies in doing so.
I'm unsure that England makes up many of the stereotypes of Scotland that you see on display throughout your lovely country.
Unless it was during a particularly extreme period of self loathing, I don't think it was the Jocks, Paddys or Taffs who created the main stereotypes of themselves as respectively mean, stupid and thieves.
That is not what I meant, as well you know. Still, it's interesting that the negative stereotypes are the ones that you automatically jump on.
I prefer the Scotland of a red-headed piper standing in a Glen, whilst locals dance in a ceilidh. Meanwhile, in the local town, some wise people are sitting down to work out how Scotland's next success in science and engineering as someone at the bar quotes Burns.
But if you only want to see the negatives ...
(I could have added Nessie in there, or kilts.)
An authentic Brigadoonist, as I live and breath.
So anyone saying how great your country is (and I do, frequently - I even praised Glasgow recently after a couple of walks through it) is a 'Brigadoonist', and the only stereotypes that matter are negative ones.
You appear to have issues. And the 'English' isn't one of them ...
And before you decry 'brigadoonist'; you might want to consider how much money the works and mythologies of the likes of Walter Scott or R.L. Stevenson have brought to Scotland.
I've read a lot of RLS and he had fuckall to do with Brigadoonism. However I'm a BIG fan of Anglosplainers teaching us about Scotland. Keep up the good work.
Another quite nasty reply. I am not trying to 'teach' anyone (least of all you).
I would like to point out I said, "the likes of," in the fact that works by those two fantastic authors are to lesser or greater degrees fantasies, like Brigadoon. And ones that have been very valuable for Scotland over the years.
Perhaps you should try be positive about your lovely country once in a while, rather than just spewing negativity.
Handy hint: red headed piper standing in a glen = Brigadoonism. Also a honking cliche that RLS would have puked up his lungs rather than employ.
To reciprocate your generosity with advice, perhaps you should haud back on the sermonsing on what people should do.
Others have pointed out the note of caution that needs to be struck, with the past vote recall for Remain having remorselessly crept up. This can, of course, be the effect that has been noted in political polling where people mentally edit their own memories to having voted for "the right" result last time (so there may be some people who voted Leave have decided it was a mistake and want to remember having voted Remain instead), but that's an assumption that would have to be spelt out specifically and may or may note be sound in any case.
One interesting finding for me was on the age breakdown. When you have a significant difference age-wise in opinion, it can be one of two things: 1 - An opinion that tends to change as we age. A good example of this is Conservative support; it's been frequently discussed that if this didn't happen, the Conservatives would have crashed in support by now. Many of the 18-24-year-olds in 1974 who were very anti-Conservative in recorded polls are now the 60+ cohort that forms their bedrock. 2 - A cohort effect that doesn't change as we age and produces a change in overall outlook as the young age and become a larger and larger segment of society and the older generation with different opinions die off. Gay rights seems to be an example in this area; those who supported gay rights overall in youth seem to have maintained their stance into middle age.
There have been indications that Brexit opinion appears to be a cohort effect rather than an age-change effect, and Curtice's findings indicate that this is not only the case, but cohort strengths (age-wise) are hardening.
yes, the cohort effect of Gen X and Millennial being pro-Remain is seemingly very strong. The research seems to bode very badly indeed for those who wish to isolate us from the world.
Not as strong for the EU as you may like.
The new Survation for example has a majority of 18 to 24 year olds wanting to reclaim powers from the ECJ
You are clutching at straws. They are the generation that are the least nationalistic perhaps in history. Strong likelihood we will go back in, the full-on-integration version and it will be the fault of people like you
Mrs May's dancing is better than her performance at PMQs today.
To be honest she is struggling today but maybe her mind is on her statement over the nerve agent.
Indeed that is going to be the media's story for the rest of the day and beyond
Fantastic pride on our police and security services and it says a lot about how fortunate we are to be protected by them
I doubt, if Corbyn had been PM, at the time of these attacks, that we would have had the political will or resources to do such an investigation, make its results public, charge two individuals, take sanctions against Russia and seek the co-operation of our allies in doing so.
If he's still Labour leader at the GE the Russian troll farms will be something to behold....
I'm unsure that England makes up many of the stereotypes of Scotland that you see on display throughout your lovely country.
Unless it was during a particularly extreme period of self loathing, I don't think it was the Jocks, Paddys or Taffs who created the main stereotypes of themselves as respectively mean, stupid and thieves.
That is not what I meant, as well you know. Still, it's interesting that the negative stereotypes are the ones that you automatically jump on.
I prefer the Scotland of a red-headed piper standing in a Glen, whilst locals dance in a ceilidh. Meanwhile, in the local town, some wise people are sitting down to work out how Scotland's next success in science and engineering as someone at the bar quotes Burns.
But if you only want to see the negatives ...
(I could have added Nessie in there, or kilts.)
An authentic Brigadoonist, as I live and breath.
So anyone saying how great your country is (and I do, frequently - I even praised Glasgow recently after a couple of walks through it) is a 'Brigadoonist', and the only stereotypes that matter are negative ones.
You appear to have issues. And the 'English' isn't one of them ...
And before you decry 'brigadoonist'; you might want to consider how much money the works and mythologies of the likes of Walter Scott or R.L. Stevenson have brought to Scotland.
I've read a lot of RLS and he had fuckall to do with Brigadoonism. However I'm a BIG fan of Anglosplainers teaching us about Scotland. Keep up the good work.
Another quite nasty reply. I am not trying to 'teach' anyone (least of all you).
I would like to point out I said, "the likes of," in the fact that works by those two fantastic authors are to lesser or greater degrees fantasies, like Brigadoon. And ones that have been very valuable for Scotland over the years.
Perhaps you should try be positive about your lovely country once in a while, rather than just spewing negativity.
Handy hint: red headed piper standing in a glen = Brigadoonism. Also a honking cliche that RLS would have puked up his lungs rather than employ.
To reciprocate your generosity with advice, perhaps you should haud back on the sermonsing on what people should do.
I think when you spew anti-English nationalistic codswallop on a public forum people have a right to call you out for what you are, sermonising or otherwise, so please stop "Scotsplaining" us all
Others have pointed out the note of caution that needs to be struck, with the past vote recall for Remain having remorselessly crept up. This can, of course, be the effect that has been noted in political polling where people mentally edit their own memories to having voted for "the right" result last time (so there may be some people who voted Leave have decided it was a mistake and want to remember having voted Remain instead), but that's an assumption that would have to be spelt out specifically and may or may note be sound in any case.
One interesting finding for me was on the age breakdown. When you have a significant difference age-wise in opinion, it can be one of two things: 1 - An opinion that tends to change as we age. A good example of this is Conservative support; it's been frequently discussed that if this didn't happen, the Conservatives would have crashed in support by now. Many of the 18-24-year-olds in 1974 who were very anti-Conservative in recorded polls are now the 60+ cohort that forms their bedrock. 2 - A cohort effect that doesn't change as we age and produces a change in overall outlook as the young age and become a larger and larger segment of society and the older generation with different opinions die off. Gay rights seems to be an example in this area; those who supported gay rights overall in youth seem to have maintained their stance into middle age.
There have been indications that Brexit opinion appears to be a cohort effect rather than an age-change effect, and Curtice's findings indicate that this is not only the case, but cohort strengths (age-wise) are hardening.
yes, the cohort effect of Gen X and Millennial being pro-Remain is seemingly very strong. The research seems to bode very badly indeed for those who wish to isolate us from the world.
Not as strong for the EU as you may like.
The new Survation for example has a majority of 18 to 24 year olds wanting to reclaim powers from the ECJ
You are clutching at straws. They are the generation that are the least nationalistic perhaps in history. Strong likelihood we will go back in, the full-on-integration version and it will be the fault of people like you
No not clutching at straws at all.
The young may have voted for a halfway house EU membership, Survation today confirms they would not vote for full Federal EU Superstate EU membership
Mrs May's dancing is better than her performance at PMQs today.
To be honest she is struggling today but maybe her mind is on her statement over the nerve agent.
Indeed that is going to be the media's story for the rest of the day and beyond
Fantastic pride on our police and security services and it says a lot about how fortunate we are to be protected by them
I doubt, if Corbyn had been PM, at the time of these attacks, that we would have had the political will or resources to do such an investigation, make its results public, charge two individuals, take sanctions against Russia and seek the co-operation of our allies in doing so.
If he's still Labour leader at the GE the Russian troll farms will be something to behold....
Would those be the very same Russian troll farms that did not in any way influence the brexit vote, oh yes because Putin loves the EU doesn't he?
Handy hint: red headed piper standing in a glen = Brigadoonism. Also a honking cliche that RLS would have puked up his lungs rather than employ.
To reciprocate your generosity with advice, perhaps you should haud back on the sermonsing on what people should do.
No need for the hint, as I'm afraid the point has gone sailing merrily over your head. Since you are an intelligent chap, that's obviously deliberate.
I love Scotland, and have said so on many occasions on here, and it is a shame that I cannot visit it anywhere near as often as I would like. As someone who loves Scotland, can you please inform me what I can say about Scotland that won't lead you to throw insults in my direction?
Others have pointed out the note of caution that needs to be struck, with the past vote recall for Remain having remorselessly crept up. This can, of course, be the effect that has been noted in political polling where people mentally edit their own memories to having voted for "the right" result last time (so there may be some people who voted Leave have decided it was a mistake and want to remember having voted Remain instead), but that's an assumption that would have to be spelt out specifically and may or may note be sound in any case.
One interesting finding for me was on the age breakdown. When you have a significant difference age-wise in opinion, it can be one of two things: 1 - An opinion that tends to change as we age. A good example of this is Conservative support; it's been frequently discussed that if this didn't happen, the Conservatives would have crashed in support by now. Many of the 18-24-year-olds in 1974 who were very anti-Conservative in recorded polls are now the 60+ cohort that forms their bedrock. 2 - A cohort effect that doesn't change as we age and produces a change in overall outlook as the young age and become a larger and larger segment of society and the older generation with different opinions die off. Gay rights seems to be an example in this area; those who supported gay rights overall in youth seem to have maintained their stance into middle age.
There have been indications that Brexit opinion appears to be a cohort effect rather than an age-change effect, and Curtice's findings indicate that this is not only the case, but cohort strengths (age-wise) are hardening.
yes, the cohort effect of Gen X and Millennial being pro-Remain is seemingly very strong. The research seems to bode very badly indeed for those who wish to isolate us from the world.
Not as strong for the EU as you may like.
The new Survation for example has a majority of 18 to 24 year olds wanting to reclaim powers from the ECJ
You are clutching at straws. They are the generation that are the least nationalistic perhaps in history. Strong likelihood we will go back in, the full-on-integration version and it will be the fault of people like you
If so, he should be thanked! It will be a better, brighter future for my children in the long run.
Handy hint: red headed piper standing in a glen = Brigadoonism. Also a honking cliche that RLS would have puked up his lungs rather than employ.
To reciprocate your generosity with advice, perhaps you should haud back on the sermonsing on what people should do.
No need for the hint, as I'm afraid the point has gone sailing merrily over your head. Since you are an intelligent chap, that's obviously deliberate.
I love Scotland, and have said so on many occasions on here, and it is a shame that I cannot visit it anywhere near as often as I would like. As someone who loves Scotland, can you please inform me what I can say about Scotland that won't lead you to throw insults in my direction?
"It's a beautiful country, with spectacular scenery and friendly people, and I very much enjoy my visits there."
Others have pointed out the note of caution that needs to be struck, with the past vote recall for Remain having remorselessly crept up. This can, of course, be the effect that has been noted in political polling where people mentally edit their own memories to having voted for "the right" result last time (so there may be some people who voted Leave have decided it was a mistake and want to remember having voted Remain instead), but that's an assumption that would have to be spelt out specifically and may or may note be sound in any case.
One interesting finding for me was on the age breakdown. When you have a significant arger and larger segment of society and the older generation with different opinions die off. Gay rights seems to be an example in this area; those who supported gay rights overall in youth seem to have maintained their stance into middle age.
There have been indications that Brexit opinion appears to be a cohort effect rather than an age-change effect, and Curtice's findings indicate that this is not only the case, but cohort strengths (age-wise) are hardening.
yes, the cohort effect of Gen X and Millennial being pro-Remain is seemingly very strong. The research seems to bode very badly indeed for those who wish to isolate us from the world.
Not as strong for the EU as you may like.
The new Survation for example has a majority of 18 to 24 year olds wanting to reclaim powers from the ECJ
You are clutching at straws. They are the generation that are the least nationalistic perhaps in history. Strong likelihood we will go back in, the full-on-integration version and it will be the fault of people like you
No not clutching at straws at all.
The young may have voted for a halfway house EU membership, Survation today confirms they would not vote for full Federal EU Superstate EU membership
By 41% to 29% 18 to 24 year olds think it is unacceptable for the ECJ to have supremacy over UK law
May's performance at PMQ's today is irrelevant because all the attention will be on her Nobichov bombers statement.
PMQs performance is always irrelevant outside the anorak community
PMQs performance matters to MPs. That is why IDS was defenestrated. The Tories actually did quite well at the ballot box under IDS but all the parliamentary party saw was their man getting tonked every Wednesday.
Others have pointed out the note of caution that needs to be struck, with the past vote recall for Remain having remorselessly crept up. This can, of course, be the effect that has been noted in political polling where people mentally edit their own memories to having voted for "the right" result last time (so there may be some people who voted Leave have decided it was a mistake and want to remember having voted Remain instead), but that's an assumption that would have to be spelt out specifically and may or may note be sound in any case.
One interesting finding for me was on the age breakdown. When you have a significant arger and larger segment of society and the older generation with different opinions die off. Gay rights seems to be an example in this area; those who supported gay rights overall in youth seem to have maintained their stance into middle age.
There have been indications that Brexit opinion appears to be a cohort effect rather than an age-change effect, and Curtice's findings indicate that this is not only the case, but cohort strengths (age-wise) are hardening.
yes, the cohort effect of Gen X and Millennial being pro-Remain is seemingly very strong. The research seems to bode very badly indeed for those who wish to isolate us from the world.
Not as strong for the EU as you may like.
The new Survation for example has a majority of 18 to 24 year olds wanting to reclaim powers from the ECJ
You are clutching at straws. They are the generation that are the least nationalistic perhaps in history. Strong likelihood we will go back in, the full-on-integration version and it will be the fault of people like you
No not clutching at straws at all.
The young may have voted for a halfway house EU membership, Survation today confirms they would not vote for full Federal EU Superstate EU membership
By 41% to 29% 18 to 24 year olds think it is unacceptable for the ECJ to have supremacy over UK law
You are clutching straws. Did anyone ask same group if they understood the function of the ECJ? Do you? In my experience most people (even well educated people) get it mixed up with the ECHR and think the latter is part of the EU. I would think that the percentage of people of any agethat understand what the ECJ is will amount to less than 10% at best
May's performance at PMQ's today is irrelevant because all the attention will be on her Nobichov bombers statement.
PMQs performance is always irrelevant outside the anorak community
PMQs performance matters to MPs. That is why IDS was defenestrated. The Tories actually did quite well at the ballot box under IDS but all the parliamentary party saw was their man getting tonked every Wednesday.
If PMQs was pivotal to general elections Hague would have won the 2001 general election by a landslide
Handy hint: red headed piper standing in a glen = Brigadoonism. Also a honking cliche that RLS would have puked up his lungs rather than employ.
To reciprocate your generosity with advice, perhaps you should haud back on the sermonsing on what people should do.
No need for the hint, as I'm afraid the point has gone sailing merrily over your head. Since you are an intelligent chap, that's obviously deliberate.
I love Scotland, and have said so on many occasions on here, and it is a shame that I cannot visit it anywhere near as often as I would like. As someone who loves Scotland, can you please inform me what I can say about Scotland that won't lead you to throw insults in my direction?
Insults? Lol.
Feel free not to engage with me if you feel that you've been so dreadfully insulted.
Handy hint: red headed piper standing in a glen = Brigadoonism. Also a honking cliche that RLS would have puked up his lungs rather than employ.
To reciprocate your generosity with advice, perhaps you should haud back on the sermonsing on what people should do.
No need for the hint, as I'm afraid the point has gone sailing merrily over your head. Since you are an intelligent chap, that's obviously deliberate.
I love Scotland, and have said so on many occasions on here, and it is a shame that I cannot visit it anywhere near as often as I would like. As someone who loves Scotland, can you please inform me what I can say about Scotland that won't lead you to throw insults in my direction?
"It's a beautiful country, with spectacular scenery and friendly people, and I very much enjoy my visits there."
All true. But it seems I cannot mention redheads, kilts, ceilidhs, glens, or other positive items as they might just be 'Brigadoonism'. In fact, 'spectacular scenery' and 'beautiful country' might fall into that trap.
I dread to think how TUD would react if I said: "Actually, there are parts of Edinburgh that are a bit of a dump". I daresay it'd be prime evidence that I'm a Scot-hater.
On topic: I can't help but feel we're in a bit of a vicious cycle. We, and moderate politicians allowed anti-politis to take root. Us by dressing up what should've been fairly civilised disagreements as great wars, politicians by failing to make their case to people and not realising how certain things look outside the real world. The result? People have turned to populists who may be right about the flaws of their opponents, but are utter frauds on a far bigger scale than those they condemn - and who actively promote the anti-politics ideas that brought them succes. That then means trust is eroded further as the populists blame their failures on the establishment or the system.
SNIP
We're on a dark path.
I agree with some of this.
Unfortunately, “moderate politicians" failed to take action on subjects like inter-generational fairness or tax avoidance by multinationals or housing or immigration or social care.
They didn’t take action because there would be some pain for some voters or special interest groups. There would be some wailing.
To take housing or social care in the UK, these problems have been worsening for 10 or 20 years. This is a collective failure of generations of “moderate politicians” from both the Tory, LibDem & the Labour Parties. They haven’t fixed the problems -- though in these two cases, it is clear what to do. E.g., social care needs more money, but any attempt to find the money causes wailing (“Death Tax”, Dementia Tax”) and so “moderate politicians” back off and do nothing.
Similarly, on immigration & asylum, it is clear that the present system is broken and it needs urgent overhaul to make it work better. This is a particularly difficult problem to solve (cries of “Xenophobe” and “Racist” ring out) and so “moderate politicians” simply back off.
If moderate politicians don’t offer solutions, & allow problems to fester and get worse, then --- surprise, surprise -- a segment of the electorate will turn to the Far Right or the Far Left that does offer “simple" solutions.
This is happening in the UK. Of course, many of the problems are common to the whole of Western Europe, and it is happening elsewhere in Europe.
Even Germany (one of the better run countries in Europe) provides an example. The endless, compromising, centrist alliances of the Christian Democrats and Social Democrats have failed to solve problems -- and so voters have turned to alternatives on the Right and the Left.
“Moderate politicians” should ask themselves: Do you want to fix the problem, even if there is some electoral pain and wailing ? Or, do you want to let the Far Left or Far Right fix the problem?
May's performance at PMQ's today is irrelevant because all the attention will be on her Nobichov bombers statement.
PMQs performance is always irrelevant outside the anorak community
PMQs performance matters to MPs. That is why IDS was defenestrated. The Tories actually did quite well at the ballot box under IDS but all the parliamentary party saw was their man getting tonked every Wednesday.
If PMQs was pivotal to general elections Hague would have won the 2001 general election by a landslide
Matters to MPs
Try reading and thinking. 45000 posts all on broadcast.
Others have pointed out the note of ed it was a mistake and want to remember having voted Remain instead), but that's an assumption that would have to be spelt out specifically and may or may note be sound in any case.
One interesting finding for me was on the age breakdown. When middle age.
There have been indications that Brexit opinion appears to be a cohort effect rather than an age-change effect, and Curtice's findings indicate that this is not only the case, but cohort strengths (age-wise) are hardening.
yes, the cohort effect of Gen X and Millennial being pro-Remain is seemingly very strong. The research seems to bode very badly indeed for those who wish to isolate us from the world.
Not as strong for the EU as you may like.
The new Survation for example has a majority of 18 to 24 year olds wanting to reclaim powers from the ECJ
You are clutching at straws. They are the generation that are the least nationalistic perhaps in history. Strong likelihood we will go back in, the full-on-integration version and it will be the fault of people like you
No not clutching at straws at all.
The young may have voted for a halfway house EU membership, Survation today confirms they would not vote for full Federal EU Superstate EU membership
By 41% to 29% 18 to 24 year olds think it is unaccmocrats/
You are clutching straws. Did anyone ask same group if they understood the function of the ECJ? Do you? In my experience most people (even well educated people) get it mixed up with the ECHR and think the latter is part of the EU. I would think that the percentage of people of any agethat understand what the ECJ is will amount to less than 10% at best
Nope I am not clutching at straws. That figure is devastating for pro EU Superstate ideologues like yourself and William Glenn who assumed once the Brexit voting pensioners died off we would be full steam ahead to reverse Brexit and a Federal EU.
The young clearly value our sovereign and independence too and good for them! The very nature of the question meant it was clear the ECJ currently has supremacy over UK law as it does
May's performance at PMQ's today is irrelevant because all the attention will be on her Nobichov bombers statement.
PMQs performance is always irrelevant outside the anorak community
PMQs performance matters to MPs. That is why IDS was defenestrated. The Tories actually did quite well at the ballot box under IDS but all the parliamentary party saw was their man getting tonked every Wednesday.
Handy hint: red headed piper standing in a glen = Brigadoonism. Also a honking cliche that RLS would have puked up his lungs rather than employ.
To reciprocate your generosity with advice, perhaps you should haud back on the sermonsing on what people should do.
No need for the hint, as I'm afraid the point has gone sailing merrily over your head. Since you are an intelligent chap, that's obviously deliberate.
I love Scotland, and have said so on many occasions on here, and it is a shame that I cannot visit it anywhere near as often as I would like. As someone who loves Scotland, can you please inform me what I can say about Scotland that won't lead you to throw insults in my direction?
Insults? Lol.
Feel free not to engage with me if you feel that you've been so dreadfully insulted.
It was clear from the outset there was intelligence that said this went right to the top. Remember Boris made this claim in his usual off the cuff style and May didn't shoot him down at all and then other major countries all chipped in.
Haha Mr HYUFD, you really are deluded. For the record I am not in favour of EU Superstate and never have been. There will not be one, and it continues to be a minority interest in Europe. If you actually knew something about European politics you would know that, but it is not your fault as you get your information from the Daily Express.
I happened to believe we had a very good deal with the EU as it was and it is blind nationalistic insanity that has taken us down the current path. My point is that it will likely be reversed and when it is we won't be able to go back to the relatively benign UK-centric relationship we have now because we will no longer have influence.
You think Corbyn can't get any worse and then he stands up and opens his mouth... How anyone who like me has ever voted Labour could even think of him being PM is a total mystery to me - the man is a menace to people who need a Labour government.
You think Corbyn can't get any worse and then he stands up and opens his mouth... How anyone who like me has ever voted Labour could even think of him being PM is a total mystery to me - the man is a menace to people who need a Labour government.
Haha Mr HYUFD, you really are deluded. For the record I am not in favour of EU Superstate and never have been. There will not be one, and it continues to be a minority interest in Europe. If you actually knew something about European politics you would know that, but it is not your fault as you get your information from the Daily Express.
I happened to believe we had a very good deal with the EU as it was and it is blind nationalistic insanity that has taken us down the current path. My point is that it will likely be reversed and when it is we won't be able to go back to the relatively benign UK-centric relationship we have now because we will no longer have influence.
Then we will not rejoin or swiftly exit again, when the most every generation from school leaver to pensioner wants with the EU is a trading relationship not to be part of an EU Superstate or losing most of our sovereignty to the EU then the dreams of the EU ideologues in the UK will come to nothing
You think Corbyn can't get any worse and then he stands up and opens his mouth... How anyone who like me has ever voted Labour could even think of him being PM is a total mystery to me - the man is a menace to people who need a Labour government.
I am not watching the exchange (saw PMQs, where he won right up until her last words eviscerating him on anti-semitism where she reclaimed a score draw).
But I want to hear from @TheJezziah on this. How do his fanboys think he is doing?
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The problem isn't there, it's that some voters have too much faith in politicians of their own tribe, and try to undermine the above.
https://twitter.com/SamuelFawcett92/status/1037261867335512064
She may need to cling to it for tactical reasons but it's making her look detached from reality.
There should have been referendums since then about the change to a political union but no such referendums were held.
Indeed that is going to be the media's story for the rest of the day and beyond
Fantastic pride on our police and security services and it says a lot about how fortunate we are to be protected by them
https://twitter.com/robfordmancs/status/1037298320463613952
That's not impressive.
The new Survation for example has a majority of 18 to 24 year olds wanting to reclaim powers from the ECJ
https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1037288050706075648
She does seem distracted
I would like to point out I said, "the likes of," in the fact that works by those two fantastic authors are to lesser or greater degrees fantasies, like Brigadoon. And ones that have been very valuable for Scotland over the years.
Perhaps you should try be positive about your lovely country once in a while, rather than just spewing negativity.
https://twitter.com/HenryNewman/status/1037292792572243968
You don't think its important that polls are properly understood?
https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1037297269123493888
Also a honking cliche that RLS would have puked up his lungs rather than employ.
To reciprocate your generosity with advice, perhaps you should haud back on the sermonsing on what people should do.
The young may have voted for a halfway house EU membership, Survation today confirms they would not vote for full Federal EU Superstate EU membership
I love Scotland, and have said so on many occasions on here, and it is a shame that I cannot visit it anywhere near as often as I would like. As someone who loves Scotland, can you please inform me what I can say about Scotland that won't lead you to throw insults in my direction?
https://www.survation.com/labour-gains-four-point-lead-over-the-conservatives-as-ukip-overtakes-the-liberal-democrats/
Who would you want to be our PM - May or Corbyn
Officers from the Russian GRU were responsible
Feel free not to engage with me if you feel that you've been so dreadfully insulted.
I dread to think how TUD would react if I said: "Actually, there are parts of Edinburgh that are a bit of a dump". I daresay it'd be prime evidence that I'm a Scot-hater.
Unfortunately, “moderate politicians" failed to take action on subjects like inter-generational fairness or tax avoidance by multinationals or housing or immigration or social care.
They didn’t take action because there would be some pain for some voters or special interest groups. There would be some wailing.
To take housing or social care in the UK, these problems have been worsening for 10 or 20 years. This is a collective failure of generations of “moderate politicians” from both the Tory, LibDem & the Labour Parties. They haven’t fixed the problems -- though in these two cases, it is clear what to do. E.g., social care needs more money, but any attempt to find the money causes wailing (“Death Tax”, Dementia Tax”) and so “moderate politicians” back off and do nothing.
Similarly, on immigration & asylum, it is clear that the present system is broken and it needs urgent overhaul to make it work better. This is a particularly difficult problem to solve (cries of “Xenophobe” and “Racist” ring out) and so “moderate politicians” simply back off.
If moderate politicians don’t offer solutions, & allow problems to fester and get worse, then --- surprise, surprise -- a segment of the electorate will turn to the Far Right or the Far Left that does offer “simple" solutions.
This is happening in the UK. Of course, many of the problems are common to the whole of Western Europe, and it is happening elsewhere in Europe.
Even Germany (one of the better run countries in Europe) provides an example. The endless, compromising, centrist alliances of the Christian Democrats and Social Democrats have failed to solve problems -- and so voters have turned to alternatives on the Right and the Left.
“Moderate politicians” should ask themselves: Do you want to fix the problem, even if there is some electoral pain and wailing ? Or, do you want to let the Far Left or Far Right fix the problem?
Try reading and thinking. 45000 posts all on broadcast.
The young clearly value our sovereign and independence too and good for them! The very nature of the question meant it was clear the ECJ currently has supremacy over UK law as it does
I mean no country would dare use chemical agents on the streets of the UK because we've got Trident.
I happened to believe we had a very good deal with the EU as it was and it is blind nationalistic insanity that has taken us down the current path. My point is that it will likely be reversed and when it is we won't be able to go back to the relatively benign UK-centric relationship we have now because we will no longer have influence.
This is one of my alerts on my phone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uywZ9z5FyZI
https://mobile.twitter.com/guyverhofstadt/status/1037260534037532672
It's prohibition Jeremy, not prevention.
He can't even get that right when reading from a script ...
But then he won't even meet with the head of MI5 to hear about the current threat of terrorism.
The Salisbury Two are disposable cannon fodder and are probably dead.
But I want to hear from @TheJezziah on this. How do his fanboys think he is doing?