Frank Field has for many years been every Conservative's absolute favourite Labour MP. I wonder who will assume that now vacant position? Contenders must (i) be white working class and (ii) be strongly in favour of Brexit and (iii) be a Conservative.
I like Mike Gapes, though he's a Remainer. He's not afraid to call a spade a spade when he's being lambasted by Corbynites on Twitter.
He's just a timeserver who enjoys too many lunches and foreign jollies.
It has never been clear to me what Tory principles Davidson holds dear. She always strikes me as a liberal social democrat, not a conservative.
Her not inconsiderable trick is to manage to triangulate between Tories in general, right wing fruitcakes, loonies & closet racists (to the point of having them as elected members), and dewy eyed, progressive media types in London. I'm not sure that trick can be sustained while having to string together some coherent policies or bearing the responsibilities of government.
She can, at least, hopefully work out what are the Twitter accounts of her political opponents, and which are spoof ones.
It's quite a useful trick for politicians to have. Or people who comment on politics.
(And yes, I've done the same in the past...)
On what planet would anyone possibly think that was Ruth Davidson's twitter account, and that she'd be highlighting her own tendency to duck difficult questions? That's the fecking point you tumshie!
Yeah, you got it wrong.
Do you reallllly think that? Divvie was pointing out the much commented on tenancy for Davidson to disappear from the media when any tough questions are being asked.
Yes, I do think he got it wrong. Besides, I'm unsure it is 'much commented on' aside by some silly Conservative-hating people north of the border.
He got it wrong.
FWIW I'm pretty sure Divvie knew it was a fake, but was being somewhat impish in posting it without mentioning the fact.
It would be interesting if Frank Field goes for a by-election.
I admit that I would vote for him, even if I'm no longer a labour Loyalist. He represents what Labour used to be and I suspect he'd have good support in Birkenhead.
It would be a tricky election for Labour. Who would they select? A shouty student Corbynite, or a Mrs Rochester candidate? it was a narrow Leave victory there too.
Suspect he would attract a lot of the 8,000 conservative votes
Best thing the Tories and LDs can do is stand aside, they have no chance of winning the seat but every chance to seriously embarrass Labour.
Parties should never stand aside in parliamentary elections. Voters should always have the chance to back a party that represents their views, rather than offering a false forced choice as a result of clever-clever game playing. The public is perfectly capable of voting tactically without the need to rig the ballot paper.
I also suspect Frank may not stand in 2022, but he doesn't like threats to de-select him.
He may not want to hurt the Labour Party and hopes the threat is enough. The political pygmies may be daft enough to call his bluff. if they do - although I seldom bet on politics - I may do so then..
By so little that it could have absolutely gone either way. Had the election been on the Friday - after Khrushchev's overthrow and the detonation of the first Chinese atomic bomb - it's quite possible that foreign policy / security could have pushed the election back to the Tories.
I think Frank would win a by-election. I think Frank knows this, and I suspect the constituency body who pick their Labour candidate know this too.
If they de-select Frank, he will probably go ahead with a by-election and they will lose the seat, and that is the reality they face.
Basically, he's called their bluff. He holds the ace, and they have an idealistic two of clubs.
There's also risk versus reward to be weighed up. They probably really want to get rid of him, but they might lose the seat. It'll also keep the story in the news for longer, and might even generate some more sympathy for him amongst others in Labour - especially when the more stringent Crobynites go over the top, as they will.
Frank Field has for many years been every Conservative's absolute favourite Labour MP. I wonder who will assume that now vacant position? Contenders must (i) be white working class and (ii) be strongly in favour of Brexit and (iii) be a Conservative.
I like Mike Gapes, though he's a Remainer. He's not afraid to call a spade a spade when he's being lambasted by Corbynites on Twitter.
He's just a timeserver who enjoys too many lunches and foreign jollies.
That description probably fits around 500 MPs. What do you want him to be?
It would have been worth staying in for that alone. Important not to underestimate how much practical nuts and bolts stuff like this, and free mobile roaming across the EU, affects the quality of life.
And what stops Westminster deciding that adopting permanent summer time is right for the UK?
Scottish children going to school in the dark.
Had the indyref gone the other way, we'd be on GMT+1 all year round by now.
Why not retain GMT for Scotland and possibly NI (Glasgow Mean Time) and keep BST year round for England and Wales? Other states manage perfectly well with multiple time zones and I have never grasped why we cannot. The Scottish border makes an obvious and sensible choice for a time zone border.
GMT is just bonkers down here, it makes no sense on any level.
Ruth Davidson gets a free ride from the overwhelmingly unionist MSM in Scotland. That would not happen in England. She hits all the right PR notes but has no policies other than "No" to a second independence referendum.
I think the claims of her supporters from down South about her golden political future will prove every bit as inaccurate as their similar claims that Jim Murphy (lost 40 out of 41 seats) was going to save the British labour Party in Scotland.
It has never been clear to me what Tory principles Davidson holds dear. She always strikes me as a liberal social democrat, not a conservative.
Her not inconsiderable trick is to manage to triangulate between Tories in general, right wing fruitcakes, loonies & closet racists (to the point of having them as elected members), and dewy eyed, progressive media types in London. I'm not sure that trick can be sustained while having to string together some coherent policies or bearing the responsibilities of government.
She can, at least, hopefully work out what are the Twitter accounts of her political opponents, and which are spoof ones.
It's quite a useful trick for politicians to have. Or people who comment on politics.
(And yes, I've done the same in the past...)
On what planet would anyone possibly think that was Ruth Davidson's twitter account, and that she'd be highlighting her own tendency to duck difficult questions? That's the fecking point you tumshie!
Yeah, you got it wrong.
Do you reallllly think that? Divvie was pointing out the much commented on tenancy for Davidson to disappear from the media when any tough questions are being asked.
Yes, I do think he got it wrong. Besides, I'm unsure it is 'much commented on' aside by some silly Conservative-hating people north of the border.
He got it wrong.
FWIW I'm pretty sure Divvie knew it was a fake, but was being somewhat impish in posting it without mentioning the fact.
If that's true, then it's quite a low thing to do, especially as at least one poster believed it.
A by-election would be really unpleasant at the moment. It would be a really dirty, nasty fight with the constituency being flooded with people determined to do for Field rather than putting forward a positive case for Labour as it currently presents itself. It would be bitter, personal and aggressive.
If I were a resident, I would be begging Field to save them from that by staying put.
Let's say Labour go ahead and de-select Frank. They stand an ardent Corbynite against him. Labour vote splits 50 -50 (I think Frank will have the edge). Who's the better campaigner? This is a leave constituency, and has mentioned earlier, the Tories can't win so many well vote to annoy Corbyn.
That's why Field will not be de-selected. Emergency for Labour party over.
Frank Field has for many years been every Conservative's absolute favourite Labour MP. I wonder who will assume that now vacant position? Contenders must (i) be white working class and (ii) be strongly in favour of Brexit and (iii) be a Conservative.
I like Mike Gapes, though he's a Remainer. He's not afraid to call a spade a spade when he's being lambasted by Corbynites on Twitter.
He's just a timeserver who enjoys too many lunches and foreign jollies.
That description probably fits around 500 MPs. What do you want him to be?
How about we simply try and big up one of the remaining 150?
Gapes will retire at the next GE, anyhow, and the local party will select a Muslim candidate as his replacement, as they have long agitated for.
It would have been worth staying in for that alone. Important not to underestimate how much practical nuts and bolts stuff like this, and free mobile roaming across the EU, affects the quality of life.
And what stops Westminster deciding that adopting permanent summer time is right for the UK?
Scottish children going to school in the dark.
Had the indyref gone the other way, we'd be on GMT+1 all year round by now.
Why not retain GMT for Scotland and possibly NI (Glasgow Mean Time) and keep BST year round for England and Wales? Other states manage perfectly well with multiple time zones and I have never grasped why we cannot. The Scottish border makes an obvious and sensible choice for a time zone border.
GMT is just bonkers down here, it makes no sense on any level.
Scotland does more trade with the rest of the U.K. than the rest of the world. Having a separate timezone is an absolutely daft idea.
It’s almost as mad as Spain being on the same time zone as Poland.
You'll all be delighted to know I've got 3 (three) Scottish themed threads coming up in the next week.
You'll be delighted to know I'll annoy every Scot across those three pieces, I think there's a danger I might patronise the Scottish Nats to within an inch of their lives.
The most astonishing act of life-chance-destroying apartheid against their own young, for the sake of a slogan - the sort of thing one used to think happened under Chairman Mao. This is the biggest scandal in UK politics today.
It would have been worth staying in for that alone. Important not to underestimate how much practical nuts and bolts stuff like this, and free mobile roaming across the EU, affects the quality of life.
And what stops Westminster deciding that adopting permanent summer time is right for the UK?
Scottish children going to school in the dark.
Had the indyref gone the other way, we'd be on GMT+1 all year round by now.
Why not retain GMT for Scotland and possibly NI (Glasgow Mean Time) and keep BST year round for England and Wales? Other states manage perfectly well with multiple time zones and I have never grasped why we cannot. The Scottish border makes an obvious and sensible choice for a time zone border.
GMT is just bonkers down here, it makes no sense on any level.
Scotland does more trade with the rest of the U.K. than the rest of the world. Having a separate timezone is an absolutely daft idea.
It’s almost as mad as Spain being on the same time zone as Poland.
Frank Field has for many years been every Conservative's absolute favourite Labour MP. I wonder who will assume that now vacant position? Contenders must (i) be white working class and (ii) be strongly in favour of Brexit and (iii) be a Conservative.
It would have been worth staying in for that alone. Important not to underestimate how much practical nuts and bolts stuff like this, and free mobile roaming across the EU, affects the quality of life.
And what stops Westminster deciding that adopting permanent summer time is right for the UK?
Scottish children going to school in the dark.
Had the indyref gone the other way, we'd be on GMT+1 all year round by now.
Why not retain GMT for Scotland and possibly NI (Glasgow Mean Time) and keep BST year round for England and Wales? Other states manage perfectly well with multiple time zones and I have never grasped why we cannot. The Scottish border makes an obvious and sensible choice for a time zone border.
GMT is just bonkers down here, it makes no sense on any level.
Scotland does more trade with the rest of the U.K. than the rest of the world. Having a separate timezone is an absolutely daft idea.
It’s almost as mad as Spain being on the same time zone as Poland.
Wut? Timezones are for longitudinal differences. I don't care if it's 6pm in Edinburgh when it's 5pm here, or vice versa.
It would have been worth staying in for that alone. Important not to underestimate how much practical nuts and bolts stuff like this, and free mobile roaming across the EU, affects the quality of life.
And what stops Westminster deciding that adopting permanent summer time is right for the UK?
Scottish children going to school in the dark.
Had the indyref gone the other way, we'd be on GMT+1 all year round by now.
Why not retain GMT for Scotland and possibly NI (Glasgow Mean Time) and keep BST year round for England and Wales? Other states manage perfectly well with multiple time zones and I have never grasped why we cannot. The Scottish border makes an obvious and sensible choice for a time zone border.
GMT is just bonkers down here, it makes no sense on any level.
Scotland does more trade with the rest of the U.K. than the rest of the world. Having a separate timezone is an absolutely daft idea.
It’s almost as mad as Spain being on the same time zone as Poland.
What utter rot. One hour difference makes sod all difference to trade. You are talking complete nonsense. I'm looking forward to your exposition of the economic time zone penalty between Atlanta and New Orleans; Chicago and Indianapolis.
The research showed abusive tweets made up: ■ 6.6% of Boris Johnson's Twitter timeline in 2015 - and 9.3% in 2017 ■ 4.6% of Jeremy Hunt's timeline in 2015, rising to 8.6% ■ 2.5% of Diane Abbott's timeline in 2015, rising to 3.4%
I think Frank would win a by-election. I think Frank knows this, and I suspect the constituency body who pick their Labour candidate know this too.
If they de-select Frank, he will probably go ahead with a by-election and they will lose the seat, and that is the reality they face.
Basically, he's called their bluff. He holds the ace, and they have an idealistic two of clubs.
There's also risk versus reward to be weighed up. They probably really want to get rid of him, but they might lose the seat. It'll also keep the story in the news for longer, and might even generate some more sympathy for him amongst others in Labour - especially when the more stringent Crobynites go over the top, as they will.
It'll be interesting to see what happens.
Corbynites are agitating for Galloway to run if FF calls a by election
It would have been worth staying in for that alone. Important not to underestimate how much practical nuts and bolts stuff like this, and free mobile roaming across the EU, affects the quality of life.
And what stops Westminster deciding that adopting permanent summer time is right for the UK?
Scottish children going to school in the dark.
Had the indyref gone the other way, we'd be on GMT+1 all year round by now.
Why don't the Scots just get up and start work/school an hour later instead of inflicting a poor alternative on those south of the border...although I suppose we could just do the opposite. It is only an hour difference afterall!
Frank Field has said he still wants to stand as a Labour MP under Jeremy Corbyn at the next election, despite resigning the whip and issuing a fierce attack on the party leader.
Basically if Birkenhead CLP were persuaded not to deselect him he would return
I think Frank would win a by-election. I think Frank knows this, and I suspect the constituency body who pick their Labour candidate know this too.
If they de-select Frank, he will probably go ahead with a by-election and they will lose the seat, and that is the reality they face.
Basically, he's called their bluff. He holds the ace, and they have an idealistic two of clubs.
There's also risk versus reward to be weighed up. They probably really want to get rid of him, but they might lose the seat. It'll also keep the story in the news for longer, and might even generate some more sympathy for him amongst others in Labour - especially when the more stringent Crobynites go over the top, as they will.
It'll be interesting to see what happens.
Corbynites are agitating for Galloway to run if FF calls a by election
A by-election would be really unpleasant at the moment. It would be a really dirty, nasty fight with the constituency being flooded with people determined to do for Field rather than putting forward a positive case for Labour as it currently presents itself. It would be bitter, personal and aggressive.
If I were a resident, I would be begging Field to save them from that by staying put.
In Birkenhead, I think Field's voting record of propping up the Tory government would be hard to counter.
Labour 33,558 76.9% Conservative 8,044 8.4% Liberal Dem. 1,118 2.6% Green 943 1.8%
Good luck with the By Election Frank
Oh your not calling one
Surprise Surprise
Field will look stupidly and cowardly if he fails to call one now. If he wasn't 100% sure he was going to call one, he ought not have floated the idea.
He isn't in anyway obliged to. He is perhaps hoping (as I do) that others might join him. There may only be a few, but a new "Independent Labour" group that is prepared to reaccept the Labour whip after a change of leadership will be an interesting dynamic that could last all the way to the GE, and possibly even beyond
Labour 33,558 76.9% Conservative 8,044 8.4% Liberal Dem. 1,118 2.6% Green 943 1.8%
Good luck with the By Election Frank
Oh your not calling one
Surprise Surprise
Field will look stupidly and cowardly if he fails to call one now. If he wasn't 100% sure he was going to call one, he ought not have floated the idea.
He isn't in anyway obliged to. He is perhaps hoping (as I do) that others might join him. There may only be a few, but a new "Independent Labour" group that is prepared to reaccept the Labour whip after a change of leadership will be an interesting dynamic that could last all the way to the GE, and possibly even beyond
Agree on all counts.
(And yes, he isn't obliged to, I was merely examining the optics)
Frank Field has said he still wants to stand as a Labour MP under Jeremy Corbyn at the next election, despite resigning the whip and issuing a fierce attack on the party leader.
Basically if Birkenhead CLP were persuaded not to deselect him he would return
I think Frank would win a by-election. I think Frank knows this, and I suspect the constituency body who pick their Labour candidate know this too.
If they de-select Frank, he will probably go ahead with a by-election and they will lose the seat, and that is the reality they face.
Basically, he's called their bluff. He holds the ace, and they have an idealistic two of clubs.
Be interesting to know how many of his local party would canvass for him - and not the official Labour candidate. He's been there since 1979 - since Maggie became PM for God's sake! That is a couple of generations of voters he must have helped. And he would be calling an election for the very best of reasons - his party has become the party of anti-semites.
The research showed abusive tweets made up: ■ 6.6% of Boris Johnson's Twitter timeline in 2015 - and 9.3% in 2017 ■ 4.6% of Jeremy Hunt's timeline in 2015, rising to 8.6% ■ 2.5% of Diane Abbott's timeline in 2015, rising to 3.4%
It certainly contradicts the meme propagated on here that Diane Abbott faces more abuse than any other MP (mainly by people who couldn't be bothered to read the original research).
It also seems Conservatives MPs may be facing more abuse than Labour MPs - and TBF, I'd expect the governing party to get more abuse.
I think Frank would win a by-election. I think Frank knows this, and I suspect the constituency body who pick their Labour candidate know this too.
If they de-select Frank, he will probably go ahead with a by-election and they will lose the seat, and that is the reality they face.
Basically, he's called their bluff. He holds the ace, and they have an idealistic two of clubs.
Be interesting to know how many of his local party would canvass for him - and not the official Labour candidate. He's been there since 1979 - since Maggie became PM for God's sake! That is a couple of generations of voters he must have helped. And he would be calling an election for the very best of reasons - his party has become the party of anti-semites.
Independent
Frank Field has said he still wants to stand as a Labour MP under Jeremy Corbyn at the next election, despite resigning the whip and issuing a fierce attack on the party leader.
Basically if Birkenhead CLP were persuaded not to deselect him he would return
It has never been clear to me what Tory principles Davidson holds dear. She always strikes me as a liberal social democrat, not a conservative.
Her not inconsiderable trick is to manage to triangulate between Tories in general, right wing fruitcakes, loonies & closet racists (to the point of having them as elected members), and dewy eyed, progressive media types in London. I'm not sure that trick can be sustained while having to string together some coherent policies or bearing the responsibilities of government.
She can, at least, hopefully work out what are the Twitter accounts of her political opponents, and which are spoof ones.
It's quite a useful trick for politicians to have. Or people who comment on politics.
(And yes, I've done the same in the past...)
On what planet would anyone possibly think that was Ruth Davidson's twitter account, and that she'd be highlighting her own tendency to duck difficult questions? That's the fecking point you tumshie!
Yeah, you got it wrong.
Do you reallllly think that? Divvie was pointing out the much commented on tenancy for Davidson to disappear from the media when any tough questions are being asked.
Yes, I do think he got it wrong. Besides, I'm unsure it is 'much commented on' aside by some silly Conservative-hating people north of the border.
He got it wrong.
FWIW I'm pretty sure Divvie knew it was a fake, but was being somewhat impish in posting it without mentioning the fact.
It's an incredibly obvious fake account, what with the mass of numbers after the twitter handle and the single posting topic, and the #darkmoney hashtag. It's not like the subtle Nicola Sturgeon fake account that Carlotta keeps being fooled by. The only purpose of the fake Davidson account is to count how long it is since she's done an interview.
I think Frank would win a by-election. I think Frank knows this, and I suspect the constituency body who pick their Labour candidate know this too.
If they de-select Frank, he will probably go ahead with a by-election and they will lose the seat, and that is the reality they face.
Basically, he's called their bluff. He holds the ace, and they have an idealistic two of clubs.
Be interesting to know how many of his local party would canvass for him - and not the official Labour candidate. He's been there since 1979 - since Maggie became PM for God's sake! That is a couple of generations of voters he must have helped. And he would be calling an election for the very best of reasons - his party has become the party of anti-semites.
The by-election would come down to an unseemly spat between Frank Field and the Corbynistas. A lot would depend on whether voters decided he was being treated unfairly by the party. No doubt the slavering Corbynista attack-dogs laying into him would push voters towards him. I think he'd have a good chance of winning.
Unfortunately my literary output recently has been less than I would hope, though naturally I have met the people's daily word count for the proletariat guideline.
Ruth Davidson gets a free ride from the overwhelmingly unionist MSM in Scotland. That would not happen in England. She hits all the right PR notes but has no policies other than "No" to a second independence referendum...
I think most of us - and certainly the vast majority of the electorate - would be hard pressed to say what exactly policies Nicola Sturgeon has other than "yes" to a second independence referendum.
If you're considering her ability to achieve the leadership of the Tory party, it's hardly relevant. Were she to get a place in the cabinet, things would change, of course.
It has never been clear to me what Tory principles Davidson holds dear. She always strikes me as a liberal social democrat, not a conservative.
Her not inconsiderable trick is to manage to triangulate between Tories in general, right wing fruitcakes, loonies & closet racists (to the point of having them as elected members), and dewy eyed, progressive media types in London. I'm not sure that trick can be sustained while having to string together some coherent policies or bearing the responsibilities of government.
She can, at least, hopefully work out what are the Twitter accounts of her political opponents, and which are spoof ones.
It's quite a useful trick for politicians to have. Or people who comment on politics.
(And yes, I've done the same in the past...)
On what planet would anyone possibly think that was Ruth Davidson's twitter account, and that she'd be highlighting her own tendency to duck difficult questions? That's the fecking point you tumshie!
Yeah, you got it wrong.
Do you reallllly think that? Divvie was pointing out the much commented on tenancy for Davidson to disappear from the media when any tough questions are being asked.
Yes, I do think he got it wrong. Besides, I'm unsure it is 'much commented on' aside by some silly Conservative-hating people north of the border.
He got it wrong.
Please give me the benefit of your enormous intellect and explain why a) anyone would think Ruth Davidson would be tweeting that she hadn't been interviewed by the BBC for 102 days, and b) append that with the hashtags #darkmoney, #Brexit, #windrush, and #indyref2, three of which are subjects that are precisely the things she doesn't want to be asked about by the BBC, or anyone else?
I note 'The Rangers' are to be reunited with Villarreal in the Uefa Cup.
Keen followers of the Glasgow branch of the UVF will remember that the last time these charmers visited they livened up the occasion by singing anti-catholic anthems at the Spanish fans.
It is interesting that even centre ground politics has its own "splitters"
Unfortunately there are people, across the political spectrum, who think that a large amount of money can deliver them a shortcut to political power. Thankfully our political system isn't yet so biddable as that in the US.
It has never been clear to me what Tory principles Davidson holds dear. She always strikes me as a liberal social democrat, not a conservative.
Her not inconsiderable trick is to manage to triangulate between Tories in general, right wing fruitcakes, loonies & closet racists (to the point of having them as elected members), and dewy eyed, progressive media types in London. I'm not sure that trick can be sustained while having to string together some coherent policies or bearing the responsibilities of government.
She can, at least, hopefully work out what are the Twitter accounts of her political opponents, and which are spoof ones.
It's quite a useful trick for politicians to have. Or people who comment on politics.
(And yes, I've done the same in the past...)
On what planet would anyone possibly think that was Ruth Davidson's twitter account, and that she'd be highlighting her own tendency to duck difficult questions? That's the fecking point you tumshie!
Yeah, you got it wrong.
Do you reallllly think that? Divvie was pointing out the much commented on tenancy for Davidson to disappear from the media when any tough questions are being asked.
Yes, I do think he got it wrong. Besides, I'm unsure it is 'much commented on' aside by some silly Conservative-hating people north of the border.
He got it wrong.
FWIW I'm pretty sure Divvie knew it was a fake, but was being somewhat impish in posting it without mentioning the fact.
It's an incredibly obvious fake account, what with the mass of numbers after the twitter handle and the single posting topic, and the #darkmoney hashtag. It's not like the subtle Nicola Sturgeon fake account that Carlotta keeps being fooled by. The only purpose of the fake Davidson account is to count how long it is since she's done an interview.
Yet at least one person thought it was real. We are surrounded by so much information it's hard to check all of it. If someone is going to make silly or pathetic points, don't do it by posting false Twitter accounts without saying they're fake.
Unfortunately my literary output recently has been less than I would hope, though naturally I have met the people's daily word count for the proletariat guideline.
I note 'The Rangers' are to be reunited with Villarreal in the Uefa Cup.
Keen followers of the Glasgow branch of the UVF will remember that the last time they visited they livened up the occasion by singing anti-catholic anthems at the Spanish fans.
I think Frank would win a by-election. I think Frank knows this, and I suspect the constituency body who pick their Labour candidate know this too.
If they de-select Frank, he will probably go ahead with a by-election and they will lose the seat, and that is the reality they face.
Basically, he's called their bluff. He holds the ace, and they have an idealistic two of clubs.
There's also risk versus reward to be weighed up. They probably really want to get rid of him, but they might lose the seat. It'll also keep the story in the news for longer, and might even generate some more sympathy for him amongst others in Labour - especially when the more stringent Crobynites go over the top, as they will.
It'll be interesting to see what happens.
Corbynites are agitating for Galloway to run if FF calls a by election
The research showed abusive tweets made up: ■ 6.6% of Boris Johnson's Twitter timeline in 2015 - and 9.3% in 2017 ■ 4.6% of Jeremy Hunt's timeline in 2015, rising to 8.6% ■ 2.5% of Diane Abbott's timeline in 2015, rising to 3.4%
It certainly contradicts the meme propagated on here that Diane Abbott faces more abuse than any other MP (mainly by people who couldn't be bothered to read the original research).
It also seems Conservatives MPs may be facing more abuse than Labour MPs - and TBF, I'd expect the governing party to get more abuse.
Not that it particularly matters since all abuse is bad, but I think it's talking about percentage of abusive tweets, rather than overall amounts.
I think Frank would win a by-election. I think Frank knows this, and I suspect the constituency body who pick their Labour candidate know this too.
If they de-select Frank, he will probably go ahead with a by-election and they will lose the seat, and that is the reality they face.
Basically, he's called their bluff. He holds the ace, and they have an idealistic two of clubs.
There's also risk versus reward to be weighed up. They probably really want to get rid of him, but they might lose the seat. It'll also keep the story in the news for longer, and might even generate some more sympathy for him amongst others in Labour - especially when the more stringent Crobynites go over the top, as they will.
It'll be interesting to see what happens.
Corbynites are agitating for Galloway to run if FF calls a by election
That would be stupid
It would be stupid not because he might lose but because he might win.
It has never been clear to me what Tory principles Davidson holds dear. She always strikes me as a liberal social democrat, not a conservative.
Her not inconsiderable trick is to manage to triangulate between Tories in general, right wing fruitcakes, loonies & closet racists (to the point of having them as elected members), and dewy eyed, progressive media types in London. I'm not sure that trick can be sustained while having to string together some coherent policies or bearing the responsibilities of government.
She can, at least, hopefully work out what are the Twitter accounts of her political opponents, and which are spoof ones.
It's quite a useful trick for politicians to have. Or people who comment on politics.
(And yes, I've done the same in the past...)
On what planet would anyone possibly think that was Ruth Davidson's twitter account, and that she'd be highlighting her own tendency to duck difficult questions? That's the fecking point you tumshie!
Yeah, you got it wrong.
Do you reallllly think that? Divvie was pointing out the much commented on tenancy for Davidson to disappear from the media when any tough questions are being asked.
Yes, I do think he got it wrong. Besides, I'm unsure it is 'much commented on' aside by some silly Conservative-hating people north of the border.
He got it wrong.
Please give me the benefit of your enormous intellect and explain why a) anyone would think Ruth Davidson would be tweeting that she hadn't been interviewed by the BBC for 102 days, and b) append that with the hashtags #darkmoney, #Brexit, #windrush, and #indyref2, three of which are subjects that are precisely the things she doesn't want to be asked about by the BBC, or anyone else?
In your own time.
Because they made an hilarious faux pas that they now are too proud to admit to?
It has never been clear to me what Tory principles Davidson holds dear. She always strikes me as a liberal social democrat, not a conservative.
Her not inconsiderable trick is to manage to triangulate between Tories in general, right wing fruitcakes, loonies & closet racists (to the point of having them as elected members), and dewy eyed, progressive media types in London. I'm not sure that trick can be sustained while having to string together some coherent policies or bearing the responsibilities of government.
She can, at least, hopefully work out what are the Twitter accounts of her political opponents, and which are spoof ones.
It's quite a useful trick for politicians to have. Or people who comment on politics.
(And yes, I've done the same in the past...)
On what planet would anyone possibly think that was Ruth Davidson's twitter account, and that she'd be highlighting her own tendency to duck difficult questions? That's the fecking point you tumshie!
Yeah, you got it wrong.
Do you reallllly think that? Divvie was pointing out the much commented on tenancy for Davidson to disappear from the media when any tough questions are being asked.
Yes, I do think he got it wrong. Besides, I'm unsure it is 'much commented on' aside by some silly Conservative-hating people north of the border.
He got it wrong.
Please give me the benefit of your enormous intellect and explain why a) anyone would think Ruth Davidson would be tweeting that she hadn't been interviewed by the BBC for 102 days, and b) append that with the hashtags #darkmoney, #Brexit, #windrush, and #indyref2, three of which are subjects that are precisely the things she doesn't want to be asked about by the BBC, or anyone else?
In your own time.
Oh, grow up. You either got it wrong or went out to deliberately mislead. Choose either.
Mr. Owls, indeed, though I must admit I wasn't aware there was a question mark over the circuit (although that seems practically the default setting for old classic tracks nowadays).
I still remember being very annoyed when Japanese qualifying was rained off due to some sort of cyclone.
I think Frank would win a by-election. I think Frank knows this, and I suspect the constituency body who pick their Labour candidate know this too.
If they de-select Frank, he will probably go ahead with a by-election and they will lose the seat, and that is the reality they face.
Basically, he's called their bluff. He holds the ace, and they have an idealistic two of clubs.
Be interesting to know how many of his local party would canvass for him - and not the official Labour candidate. He's been there since 1979 - since Maggie became PM for God's sake! That is a couple of generations of voters he must have helped. And he would be calling an election for the very best of reasons - his party has become the party of anti-semites.
The by-election would come down to an unseemly spat between Frank Field and the Corbynistas. A lot would depend on whether voters decided he was being treated unfairly by the party. No doubt the slavering Corbynista attack-dogs laying into him would push voters towards him. I think he'd have a good chance of winning.
I think Frank would win a by-election. I think Frank knows this, and I suspect the constituency body who pick their Labour candidate know this too.
If they de-select Frank, he will probably go ahead with a by-election and they will lose the seat, and that is the reality they face.
Basically, he's called their bluff. He holds the ace, and they have an idealistic two of clubs.
There's also risk versus reward to be weighed up. They probably really want to get rid of him, but they might lose the seat. It'll also keep the story in the news for longer, and might even generate some more sympathy for him amongst others in Labour - especially when the more stringent Crobynites go over the top, as they will.
It'll be interesting to see what happens.
Corbynites are agitating for Galloway to run if FF calls a by election
That would be stupid
It would be stupid not because he might lose but because he might win.
Agreed in a straight fight with FF he probably would.
The research showed abusive tweets made up: ■ 6.6% of Boris Johnson's Twitter timeline in 2015 - and 9.3% in 2017 ■ 4.6% of Jeremy Hunt's timeline in 2015, rising to 8.6% ■ 2.5% of Diane Abbott's timeline in 2015, rising to 3.4%
It certainly contradicts the meme propagated on here that Diane Abbott faces more abuse than any other MP (mainly by people who couldn't be bothered to read the original research).
It also seems Conservatives MPs may be facing more abuse than Labour MPs - and TBF, I'd expect the governing party to get more abuse.
Not that it particularly matters since all abuse is bad, but I think it's talking about percentage of abusive tweets, rather than overall amounts.
Ahem. You might want to read the research behind that. For one thing, it looked at female MPs only, and therefore 'women in general' will tend to feature rather highly. This magically got changed to 'all MPs' by some, when this new research seems to show that men get more abuse by women.
Still, the more research on this topic, the better.
I've just skimmed this new research. It looks interesting, and although I haven't dug deeply into their methodology (and might have similar problems to the Amnesty one), it seems to have interesting data and findings.
Labour 33,558 76.9% Conservative 8,044 8.4% Liberal Dem. 1,118 2.6% Green 943 1.8%
Good luck with the By Election Frank
Oh your not calling one
Surprise Surprise
Don't remember you asked Jared O'Mara to call one. How odd.
I did he should
LD Gain
Nailed on Tory gain if I was the Tory candidate.
Well obviously
Did you enjoy BlackKklansman?
Were you writing an Anti Semitism thread?
Was it even you??
I loved BlacKKKlansman.
I only went to see it for the anti-Semitism in it, gave me a feel for what a meeting of Labour members is like.
Strangely it confirmed to me that real AS is of the Right
And that the devaluation of the term by Corbyn haters is dangerous stuff.
Good film though and the Trump bit was chilling
You cannot be allowed to get away with that. the claim that calling Corbyn antisemitic "devalues" the term implies that there are levels of antisemitism low enough that they are permissible, or do not count, or are within some sort of de minimis rule. And anyone who thinks that is quite simply a c**t, and an antisemite. Sorry, but there it is.
It has never been clear to me what Tory principles Davidson holds dear. She always strikes me as a liberal social democrat, not a conservative.
Her not inconsiderable trick is to manage to triangulate between Tories in general, right wing fruitcakes, loonies & closet racists (to the point of having them as elected members), and dewy eyed, progressive media types in London. I'm not sure that trick can be sustained while having to string together some coherent policies or bearing the responsibilities of government.
She can, at least, hopefully work out what are the Twitter accounts of her political opponents, and which are spoof ones.
It's quite a useful trick for politicians to have. Or people who comment on politics.
(And yes, I've done the same in the past...)
On what planet would anyone possibly think that was Ruth Davidson's twitter account, and that she'd be highlighting her own tendency to duck difficult questions? That's the fecking point you tumshie!
Yeah, you got it wrong.
Do you reallllly think that? Divvie was pointing out the much commented on tenancy for Davidson to disappear from the media when any tough questions are being asked.
Yes, I do think he got it wrong. Besides, I'm unsure it is 'much commented on' aside by some silly Conservative-hating people north of the border.
He got it wrong.
Please give me the benefit of your enormous intellect and explain why a) anyone would think Ruth Davidson would be tweeting that she hadn't been interviewed by the BBC for 102 days, and b) append that with the hashtags #darkmoney, #Brexit, #windrush, and #indyref2, three of which are subjects that are precisely the things she doesn't want to be asked about by the BBC, or anyone else?
In your own time.
Oh, grow up. You either got it wrong or went out to deliberately mislead. Choose either.
Ah, I got it wrong because I thought an account highlighting Ruth Davidson's media cowardice was actually Ruth Davidson highlighting Ruth Davidson's media cowardice, or I was misleading people into thinking an account highlighting Ruth Davidson's media cowardice was real? Fascinating.
You'll be resorting to snitty little replies starting with 'Look' next.
It has never been clear to me what Tory principles Davidson holds dear. She always strikes me as a liberal social democrat, not a conservative.
Her not inconsiderable trick is to manage to triangulate between Tories in general, right wing fruitcakes, loonies & closet racists (to the point of having them as elected members), and dewy eyed, progressive media types in London. I'm not sure that trick can be sustained while having to string together some coherent policies or bearing the responsibilities of government.
She can, at least, hopefully work out what are the Twitter accounts of her political opponents, and which are spoof ones.
It's quite a useful trick for politicians to have. Or people who comment on politics.
(And yes, I've done the same in the past...)
On what planet would anyone possibly think that was Ruth Davidson's twitter account, and that she'd be highlighting her own tendency to duck difficult questions? That's the fecking point you tumshie!
Yeah, you got it wrong.
Do you reallllly think that? Divvie was pointing out the much commented on tenancy for Davidson to disappear from the media when any tough questions are being asked.
Yes, I do think he got it wrong. Besides, I'm unsure it is 'much commented on' aside by some silly Conservative-hating people north of the border.
He got it wrong.
Please give me the benefit of your enormous intellect and explain why a) anyone would think Ruth Davidson would be tweeting that she hadn't been interviewed by the BBC for 102 days, and b) append that with the hashtags #darkmoney, #Brexit, #windrush, and #indyref2, three of which are subjects that are precisely the things she doesn't want to be asked about by the BBC, or anyone else?
In your own time.
Because they made an hilarious faux pas that they now are too proud to admit to?
Are you talking about me? If you notice, I was the one who pointed out to Divvie that it wasn't her account. So what 'hilarious faux pas' are you referring to?
Ah, I got it wrong because I thought an account highlighting Ruth Davidson's media cowardice was actually Ruth Davidson highlighting Ruth Davidson's media cowardice, or I was misleading people into thinking an account highlighting Ruth Davidson's media cowardice was real? Fascinating.
You'll be resorting to snitty little replies starting with 'Look' next.
Look, (*) someone got confused by it, as a reply to your original posts shows.
I note 'The Rangers' are to be reunited with Villarreal in the Uefa Cup.
Keen followers of the Glasgow branch of the UVF will remember that the last time these charmers visited they livened up the occasion by singing anti-catholic anthems at the Spanish fans.
It would be interesting if Frank Field goes for a by-election.
I admit that I would vote for him, even if I'm no longer a labour Loyalist. He represents what Labour used to be and I suspect he'd have good support in Birkenhead.
It would be a tricky election for Labour. Who would they select? A shouty student Corbynite, or a Mrs Rochester candidate? it was a narrow Leave victory there too.
Suspect he would attract a lot of the 8,000 conservative votes
He would need all 8000 plus 13000 Labour defectors to win,
You are in dreamland Big G
Birkenhead is deep OHHHHHHH JEEEERRRRREMY COOOORRRRBBBYN territory.
What manifesto will Frank have voting with the Tories on BREXIT
With UKIP on Immigration
and with JHB on Musllim matters
Just caught up on this BJO.
Reporting from his constituency indicates strong local support for him.
The Echo is going big on the story and the factions tearing the local party apart.
He only needs just over one third of the labour votes plus tactical voting to win
Ah, I got it wrong because I thought an account highlighting Ruth Davidson's media cowardice was actually Ruth Davidson highlighting Ruth Davidson's media cowardice, or I was misleading people into thinking an account highlighting Ruth Davidson's media cowardice was real? Fascinating.
You'll be resorting to snitty little replies starting with 'Look' next.
Look, (*) someone got confused by it, as a reply to your original posts shows.
(*) Since it seems to annoy you.
Fair enough, if you were confused you were confused.
Frank Field has for many years been every Conservative's absolute favourite Labour MP. I wonder who will assume that now vacant position? Contenders must (i) be white working class and (ii) be strongly in favour of Brexit and (iii) be a Conservative.
So that's Corbyn, Abbott, Pidcock, Thornberry, Long-Bailey, Smith and Starmer out under (I) and (II) and Rayner out under (II).
There is only one man who is white working class, hates the EU like poison (however much he tries to hide it) and wants to take us back to the 50s.
On topic I can see a time when Ruth ends up leading the Conservatives but it won't be until after Brexit is over because of her position on that. She is personable, witty and an excellent organiser. Whether she can actually run a public institution is an unknown because she has never had to.
She does benefit considerably from being a big fish in a small pond up here. Nicola is a skilled and dogged politician but other than her the competition is very modest bordering on embarrassing. She would find Westminster a lot more testing but she is young enough and clever enough to learn.
I think that there is an argument that she has taken the Scottish Tories as far as she can (much further than most of them ever dreamed was possible). Davidson for FM looks a pretty much unbridgeable stretch and my guess is the Tories will be playing defense rather than offense at the next GE. There is still ground to recover in local government but that is about it.
Ah, I got it wrong because I thought an account highlighting Ruth Davidson's media cowardice was actually Ruth Davidson highlighting Ruth Davidson's media cowardice, or I was misleading people into thinking an account highlighting Ruth Davidson's media cowardice was real? Fascinating.
You'll be resorting to snitty little replies starting with 'Look' next.
Look, (*) someone got confused by it, as a reply to your original posts shows.
(*) Since it seems to annoy you.
Fair enough, if you were confused you were confused.
Look, (*) I was the poster who first pointed out that was not her account. If you think that makes me 'confused', then the problem is yours.
I think Frank would win a by-election. I think Frank knows this, and I suspect the constituency body who pick their Labour candidate know this too.
If they de-select Frank, he will probably go ahead with a by-election and they will lose the seat, and that is the reality they face.
Basically, he's called their bluff. He holds the ace, and they have an idealistic two of clubs.
There's also risk versus reward to be weighed up. They probably really want to get rid of him, but they might lose the seat. It'll also keep the story in the news for longer, and might even generate some more sympathy for him amongst others in Labour - especially when the more stringent Crobynites go over the top, as they will.
It'll be interesting to see what happens.
Corbynites are agitating for Galloway to run if FF calls a by election
That would be stupid
It would be stupid not because he might lose but because he might win.
Agreed in a straight fight with FF he probably would.
I would have to abstain or vote Green
He probably would what?
I'm far from convinced that the one thing needed to close down Labour's antisemitism problem is George Galloway on their benches.
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He may not want to hurt the Labour Party and hopes the threat is enough. The political pygmies may be daft enough to call his bluff. if they do - although I seldom bet on politics - I may do so then..
Just ask Stuart Dickson.
It'll be interesting to see what happens.
I suppose her military service mitigates her Brexit heresy.
Why not retain GMT for Scotland and possibly NI (Glasgow Mean Time) and keep BST year round for England and Wales? Other states manage perfectly well with multiple time zones and I have never grasped why we cannot. The Scottish border makes an obvious and sensible choice for a time zone border.
GMT is just bonkers down here, it makes no sense on any level.
I think the claims of her supporters from down South about her golden political future will prove every bit as inaccurate as their similar claims that Jim Murphy (lost 40 out of 41 seats) was going to save the British labour Party in Scotland.
I might even call it SNP fake news.
If I were a resident, I would be begging Field to save them from that by staying put.
That's why Field will not be de-selected. Emergency for Labour party over.
Gapes will retire at the next GE, anyhow, and the local party will select a Muslim candidate as his replacement, as they have long agitated for.
It’s almost as mad as Spain being on the same time zone as Poland.
Why do the SNP hate Scots?
Tally Ho away.
LD Gain
Three guesses who said this at their press conference today...
■ 6.6% of Boris Johnson's Twitter timeline in 2015 - and 9.3% in 2017
■ 4.6% of Jeremy Hunt's timeline in 2015, rising to 8.6%
■ 2.5% of Diane Abbott's timeline in 2015, rising to 3.4%
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45363720
Frank Field has said he still wants to stand as a Labour MP under Jeremy Corbyn at the next election, despite resigning the whip and issuing a fierce attack on the party leader.
Basically if Birkenhead CLP were persuaded not to deselect him he would return
Man of principle/ Entitled
You decide
Did you enjoy BlackKklansman?
Were you writing an Anti Semitism thread?
Was it even you??
Yes, Kate H must be the clear fav.
Per the Shipman tome on the Ref she gets on famously with Nigel Farage.
(And yes, he isn't obliged to, I was merely examining the optics)
FF for leader.
Like my famous tray bake does contain nuts
A neat double entendre.
It certainly contradicts the meme propagated on here that Diane Abbott faces more abuse than any other MP (mainly by people who couldn't be bothered to read the original research).
It also seems Conservatives MPs may be facing more abuse than Labour MPs - and TBF, I'd expect the governing party to get more abuse.
Frank Field has said he still wants to stand as a Labour MP under Jeremy Corbyn at the next election, despite resigning the whip and issuing a fierce attack on the party leader.
Basically if Birkenhead CLP were persuaded not to deselect him he would return
I only went to see it for the anti-Semitism in it, gave me a feel for what a meeting of Labour members is like.
Unfortunately my literary output recently has been less than I would hope, though naturally I have met the people's daily word count for the proletariat guideline.
If you're considering her ability to achieve the leadership of the Tory party, it's hardly relevant. Were she to get a place in the cabinet, things would change, of course.
In your own time.
And that the devaluation of the term by Corbyn haters is dangerous stuff.
Good film though and the Trump bit was chilling
Keen followers of the Glasgow branch of the UVF will remember that the last time these charmers visited they livened up the occasion by singing anti-catholic anthems at the Spanish fans.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/2345623/Rangers-plead-with-fans-over-chants.html
That's just fake news.
America First.
https://twitter.com/nadinedorries/status/1035280700621185025?s=21
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40674198
In any case - there was evidence that Dianne Abbott (and women in general) are particularly abused on twitter in a report by Amnesty International here (which looked at only a small window of time coming up to the last election):
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/05/diane-abbott-more-abused-than-any-other-mps-during-election
https://www.washingtonpost.com/page/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2018/08/31/National-Politics/Polling/release_528.xml
I still remember being very annoyed when Japanese qualifying was rained off due to some sort of cyclone.
I would have to abstain or vote Green
Still, the more research on this topic, the better.
I've just skimmed this new research. It looks interesting, and although I haven't dug deeply into their methodology (and might have similar problems to the Amnesty one), it seems to have interesting data and findings.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/324218979_Online_Abuse_of_UK_MPs_in_2015_and_2017_Perpetrators_Targets_and_Topics
But yes, Twitter abuse says something rather sad about our society, whoever it is targeted at.
https://twitter.com/NudderingNudnik/status/987090024700182528
Scary
You'll be resorting to snitty little replies starting with 'Look' next.
(*) Since it seems to annoy you.
Reporting from his constituency indicates strong local support for him.
The Echo is going big on the story and the factions tearing the local party apart.
He only needs just over one third of the labour votes plus tactical voting to win
It is not as easy as you may think
There is only one man who is white working class, hates the EU like poison (however much he tries to hide it) and wants to take us back to the 50s.
Step forward John Macdonnell MP.
She does benefit considerably from being a big fish in a small pond up here. Nicola is a skilled and dogged politician but other than her the competition is very modest bordering on embarrassing. She would find Westminster a lot more testing but she is young enough and clever enough to learn.
I think that there is an argument that she has taken the Scottish Tories as far as she can (much further than most of them ever dreamed was possible). Davidson for FM looks a pretty much unbridgeable stretch and my guess is the Tories will be playing defense rather than offense at the next GE. There is still ground to recover in local government but that is about it.
Look, (*) I was the poster who first pointed out that was not her account. If you think that makes me 'confused', then the problem is yours.
(*) Again, does this annoy you?
https://order-order.com/2018/08/31/revealed-thatchers-attempts-to-free-mandela
I'm far from convinced that the one thing needed to close down Labour's antisemitism problem is George Galloway on their benches.