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another_richard said:

' More than a third of farmed fruit and vegetables never reaches supermarket shelves because it is misshapen or the wrong size, according to new research.

A University of Edinburgh study found more than 50 million tonnes of fruit and vegetables grown across Europe were discarded each year. '

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-45238732

Worth remembering when some farmer who wont off fair pay and conditions wails that crops are going unharvested.

And puts a new perspective on the foodbank issue.

I am at a complete loss to see the link between the story and your comments.

Morris_Dancer said:

King Cole, downside of big dogs is they tend to live shorter lives.

Medium is always the way to go. I don't want a dog I have to bend down to the floor to pet, feels like a recipe for back problems!

Pulpstar said:

another_richard said:

Not been the best couple of days for Joe Root has it.

His captaincy was mince towards the end of the last test, if the Indians had batted a touch better and some more rain fell it would have been shown up for the piss poor captaincy it was.

He only declared at Lords when a wicket fell.

If that hadn't happened who knows how much longer he would have batted on.

kle4 said:

Morris_Dancer said:

King Cole, downside of big dogs is they tend to live shorter lives.

Medium is always the way to go. I don't want a dog I have to bend down to the floor to pet, feels like a recipe for back problems!

How about a budgie?

Morris_Dancer said:

King Cole, downside of big dogs is they tend to live shorter lives.

My last wire-haired fox terrier lived to well over 14. Seems to be the norm. They have a big dog's bark too, so a great compromise. (Plus they don't shed).

A friend has a flat-coated retriever. They are very prone to developing cancers from age seven. Another friend has boxers and Boston Terriers, both of which breeds have required extensive operations to correct genetic issues.

notme said:

Sandpit said:

ydoethur said:

another_richard said:

' More than a third of farmed fruit and vegetables never reaches supermarket shelves because it is misshapen or the wrong size, according to new research.

A University of Edinburgh study found more than 50 million tonnes of fruit and vegetables grown across Europe were discarded each year. '

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-45238732

Worth remembering when some farmer who wont off fair pay and conditions wails that crops are going unharvested.

And puts a new perspective on the foodbank issue.

I am at a complete loss to see the link between the story and your comments.

He’s saying that a huge amount of food gets thrown away not because it doesn’t meet hygiene standards, but because it doesn’t meet standards for appearance and size of the EU and of the supermarket purchasers.

What we should do is allow a clearing house to be set up, so that food banks and commercial kitchens can get this produce, rather than it being left to rot in fields.

But it does good in the fields, its good for the soil. And actually creating an infrastructure to transport these goods is easier said than done.

Did you know that Greggs up and down the country freely allow local foodbanks to collect any of the stuff they have at the end of the day. The difficulty is in getting people to actually come and collect all the stuff on a regular basis.

Don’t disagree about the infrastructure, which is why a clearing house system is probably the best option. Have a single organisation go around the farms and collect what doesn’t sell.

Alternatively, when free from EU regs, have supermarkets buy and sell “A” and “B” quality of farmed produce.

If Greggs marketing department is reading this, spend £5 per shop per day on sending someone to pick up the unsold stock and take it to the local food bank where possible. It would do wonders for your CSR and public image.

Mr. Mark, aye, pure breeds often have problems (working breeds less than other types, though). Cross-breeds or mongrels can often be healthier (although, alas, Kai the dog was a mongrel and he died around 6 due to an internal tumour that caused bleeding).

ydoethur said:

another_richard said:

' More than a third of farmed fruit and vegetables never reaches supermarket shelves because it is misshapen or the wrong size, according to new research.

A University of Edinburgh study found more than 50 million tonnes of fruit and vegetables grown across Europe were discarded each year. '

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-45238732

Worth remembering when some farmer who wont off fair pay and conditions wails that crops are going unharvested.

And puts a new perspective on the foodbank issue.

I am at a complete loss to see the link between the story and your comments.

The wailing about a few strawberries (usually Scottish strawberries) being left behind is put into perspective by all the fruit and veg which is wasted because it is the wrong shape.

And how many people could be fed by all this wasted fruit and veg if it was instead given away or sold at a nominal price ?

HYUFD said:

Former veteran Tory MP Sir Peter Tapsell has died aged 88

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-45234741

Shouldn't that be 'veteran former Tory MP?'

ydoethur said:

HYUFD said:

Former veteran Tory MP Sir Peter Tapsell has died aged 88

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-45234741

Shouldn't that be 'veteran former Tory MP?'

Well he is now former and was a Tory MP

Sandpit said:

HYUFD said:

Former veteran Tory MP Sir Peter Tapsell has died aged 88

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-45234741

Very sad but he batted a good innings. May he rest in peace.

Indeed, he once worked for Eden and knew his own mind, opposed the second Iraq War but also a Eurosceptic. RIP

Mr. Divvie, that's true.

And something you have in common with John Major, no?

HYUFD said:

Sandpit said:

HYUFD said:

Former veteran Tory MP Sir Peter Tapsell has died aged 88

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-45234741

Very sad but he batted a good innings. May he rest in peace.

Indeed, he once worked for Eden and knew his own mind, opposed the second Iraq War but also a Eurosceptic. RIP

Also of course a staunch opponent of fox hunting at a time when that stance was not at all fashionable in the Tory party.

ydoethur said:

HYUFD said:

Sandpit said:

HYUFD said:

Former veteran Tory MP Sir Peter Tapsell has died aged 88

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-45234741

Very sad but he batted a good innings. May he rest in peace.

Indeed, he once worked for Eden and knew his own mind, opposed the second Iraq War but also a Eurosceptic. RIP

Also of course a staunch opponent of fox hunting at a time when that stance was not at all fashionable in the Tory party.

Along with Ann Widdecombe

There's always been wastage with fruit and veg. Even in the 1960s, we riddled out the blighty, green and tiny potatoes for 'pig tates'. Soft fruit will always be a victim, but EU rules have made things worse.

Personally, I recommend the misshapen strawberries from Tesco. Less than half-price and just as good.

ydoethur said:

Virat Kohli should declare that and see if he can bowl England out tonight to get a week off.

Even for me that’s a bit dangerous, but an overnight declaration with a target of 330-350 isn’t out of the question. Who wants to play cricket on Tuesday or Wednesday, surely they’ve booked their tee times already?

rottenborough said:

Who is Walsingham?

That’s not public information

tlg86 said:

United should sack Jose at half time like Spurs did with Jol a few years back.

Mourinho OUT !!!!!!! Get anyone. Carrick would do.

We have been muscled out.

Sandpit said:

ydoethur said:

Virat Kohli should declare that and see if he can bowl England out tonight to get a week off.

Even for me that’s a bit dangerous, but an overnight declaration with a target of 330-350 isn’t out of the question. Who wants to play cricket on Tuesday or Wednesday, surely they’ve booked their tee times already?

When even Pujara is thrashing them at eight an over, that is a sign of a side in terminal disarray. I say get them in and get them out.

There is talk of resting Anderson and Broad from the winter tours, but I would have said the key players to leave at home are Root and Cook.

Speaking of pachyderms, this is quite a nice little video:
https://twitter.com/The_UnSilent_/status/1030621997309603847

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Divvie, that's true.

And something you have in common with John Major, no?

Major was the talent (or rather was related to it), I just worked for the council cleaning up the beach links after Nellie had been to town.

another_richard said:

ydoethur said:

another_richard said:

ydoethur said:

another_richard said:

' More than a third of farmed fruit and vegetables never reaches supermarket shelves because it is misshapen or the wrong size, according to new research.

A University of Edinburgh study found more than 50 million tonnes of fruit and vegetables grown across Europe were discarded each year. '

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-45238732

Worth remembering when some farmer who wont off fair pay and conditions wails that crops are going unharvested.

And puts a new perspective on the foodbank issue.

I am at a complete loss to see the link between the story and your comments.

The wailing about a few strawberries (usually Scottish strawberries) being left behind is put into perspective by all the fruit and veg which is wasted because it is the wrong shape.

And how many people could be fed by all this wasted fruit and veg if it was instead given away or sold at a nominal price ?

So why the comment about fair wages?

By all means say that this is wasteful and inefficient, because it is. The CAP and CFP are run by people who would fail a Village Idiot interview for being overqualified.

But the point about labour shortages/low pay in the agricultural sector is a separate issue and it didn't add anything to your point. Indeed, it obscured it entirely.

The combination of the two things highlight the ridiculousness of the 'no strawberry left behind' position.

Not only could more crops be harvested if farmers offered fair pay and conditions but also the loss of food production through crops not being picked is minor compared to the crops which are picked and then wasted.

Can you not see you're getting that backwards though? Because a large chunk of what is picked is wasted, and the mafia, oops, supermarkets will pay only very low prices for the rest, it's impossible to pay economic wages.

If all of it was picked and paid for, there would be more money for pay.

Charles said:

ydoethur said:

Sandpit said:

ydoethur said:

another_richard said:

' More than a third of farmed fruit and vegetables never reaches supermarket shelves because it is misshapen or the wrong size, according to new research.

A University of Edinburgh study found more than 50 million tonnes of fruit and vegetables grown across Europe were discarded each year. '

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-45238732

Worth remembering when some farmer who wont off fair pay and conditions wails that crops are going unharvested.

And puts a new perspective on the foodbank issue.

I am at a complete loss to see the link between the story and your comments.

He’s saying that a huge amount of food gets thrown away not because it doesn’t meet hygiene standards, but because it doesn’t meet standards for appearance and size of the EU and of the supermarket purchasers.

What we should do is allow a clearing house to be set up, so that food banks and commercial kitchens can get this produce, rather than it being left to rot in fields.

So why is it the fault of farmers for not offering fair wages?

It’s not - but he’s making the point that when they complain about food being wasted because they can’t employ pickers on derisory rates of pay they are being somewhat disingenuous

As an aside, can this be spun as an anti-EU straight bananas story, and will it be?

another_richard said:

ydoethur said:

another_richard said:

ydoethur said:

another_richard said:

' More than a third of farmed fruit and vegetables never reaches supermarket shelves because it is misshapen or the wrong size, according to new research.

A University of Edinburgh study found more than 50 million tonnes of fruit and vegetables grown across Europe were discarded each year. '

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-45238732

Worth remembering when some farmer who wont off fair pay and conditions wails that crops are going unharvested.

And puts a new perspective on the foodbank issue.

I am at a complete loss to see the link between the story and your comments.

The wailing about a few strawberries (usually Scottish strawberries) being left behind is put into perspective by all the fruit and veg which is wasted because it is the wrong shape.

And how many people could be fed by all this wasted fruit and veg if it was instead given away or sold at a nominal price ?

So why the comment about fair wages?

By all means say that this is wasteful and inefficient, because it is. The CAP and CFP are run by people who would fail a Village Idiot interview for being overqualified.

But the point about labour shortages/low pay in the agricultural sector is a separate issue and it didn't add anything to your point. Indeed, it obscured it entirely.

The combination of the two things highlight the ridiculousness of the 'no strawberry left behind' position.

Not only could more crops be harvested if farmers offered fair pay and conditions but also the loss of food production through crops not being picked is minor compared to the crops which are picked and then wasted.

Surely the difference is that misshapen fruit are not saleable, while unpicked premium fruit are?

Charles said:

ydoethur said:

Sandpit said:

ydoethur said:

another_richard said:

' More than a third of farmed fruit and vegetables never reaches supermarket shelves because it is misshapen or the wrong size, according to new research.

A University of Edinburgh study found more than 50 million tonnes of fruit and vegetables grown across Europe were discarded each year. '

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-45238732

Worth remembering when some farmer who wont off fair pay and conditions wails that crops are going unharvested.

And puts a new perspective on the foodbank issue.

I am at a complete loss to see the link between the story and your comments.

He’s saying that a huge amount of food gets thrown away not because it doesn’t meet hygiene standards, but because it doesn’t meet standards for appearance and size of the EU and of the supermarket purchasers.

What we should do is allow a clearing house to be set up, so that food banks and commercial kitchens can get this produce, rather than it being left to rot in fields.

So why is it the fault of farmers for not offering fair wages?

It’s not - but he’s making the point that when they complain about food being wasted because they can’t employ pickers on derisory rates of pay they are being somewhat disingenuous

Thanks for the clearer explanation.

Do we have any PB Manchester United supporters who come from Manchester or even Lancashire ?

As opposed to Scotland, Wales or London

surby said:

tlg86 said:

United should sack Jose at half time like Spurs did with Jol a few years back.

Mourinho OUT !!!!!!! Get anyone. Carrick would do.

We have been muscled out.

He must go now

another_richard said:

Do we have any PB Manchester United supporters who come from Manchester or even Lancashire ?

As opposed to Scotland, Wales or London

I was born 5 miles from Old Trafford. Is that OK

Foxy said:

another_richard said:

ydoethur said:

another_richard said:

ydoethur said:

another_richard said:

' More than a third of farmed fruit and vegetables never reaches supermarket shelves because it is misshapen or the wrong size, according to new research.

A University of Edinburgh study found more than 50 million tonnes of fruit and vegetables grown across Europe were discarded each year. '

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-45238732

Worth remembering when some farmer who wont off fair pay and conditions wails that crops are going unharvested.

And puts a new perspective on the foodbank issue.

I am at a complete loss to see the link between the story and your comments.

The wailing about a few strawberries (usually Scottish strawberries) being left behind is put into perspective by all the fruit and veg which is wasted because it is the wrong shape.

And how many people could be fed by all this wasted fruit and veg if it was instead given away or sold at a nominal price ?

So why the comment about fair wages?

By all means say that this is wasteful and inefficient, because it is. The CAP and CFP are run by people who would fail a Village Idiot interview for being overqualified.

But the point about labour shortages/low pay in the agricultural sector is a separate issue and it didn't add anything to your point. Indeed, it obscured it entirely.

The combination of the two things highlight the ridiculousness of the 'no strawberry left behind' position.

Not only could more crops be harvested if farmers offered fair pay and conditions but also the loss of food production through crops not being picked is minor compared to the crops which are picked and then wasted.

Surely the difference is that misshapen fruit are not saleable, while unpicked premium fruit are?

They should be sellable albeit at a lower price.

Plus there are the issues of food wastage in moral terms, food poverty / higher food prices and damage to the environment from excess production

ydoethur said:

DecrepitJohnL said:

Charles said:

ydoethur said:

Sandpit said:

ydoethur said:

another_richard said:

' More than a third of farmed fruit and vegetables never reaches supermarket shelves because it is misshapen or the wrong size, according to new research.

A University of Edinburgh study found more than 50 million tonnes of fruit and vegetables grown across Europe were discarded each year. '

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-45238732

Worth remembering when some farmer who wont off fair pay and conditions wails that crops are going unharvested.

And puts a new perspective on the foodbank issue.

I am at a complete loss to see the link between the story and your comments.

He’s saying that a huge amount of food gets thrown away not because it doesn’t meet hygiene standards, but because it doesn’t meet standards for appearance and size of the EU and of the supermarket purchasers.

What we should do is allow a clearing house to be set up, so that food banks and commercial kitchens can get this produce, rather than it being left to rot in fields.

So why is it the fault of farmers for not offering fair wages?

It’s not - but he’s making the point that when they complain about food being wasted because they can’t employ pickers on derisory rates of pay they are being somewhat disingenuous

As an aside, can this be spun as an anti-EU straight bananas story, and will it be?

The EU's agricultural policies are usually well-meaning - except over public health emergencies where they blatantly favour whoever the Commissioner is closest to - but they are grossly incompetent and ridiculously expensive. Nobody with any sense would have come up with any of the different forms of CAP over the years. Frankly, although irritating the wastefulness of their 'minimum standards' is very minor by comparison with the 1990s habit of actually burning harvested crops to keep prices up.

We do have the opportunity as we are leaving to come up with something better, and we may need to if Europe refuses a trade deal on food. An obvious course of action would be to say that as food security is so important farmers will be guaranteed a minimum income, on a top-up scheme. This would hopefully both increase production and reduce subsidies.

Whether we have the politicians with the will and imagination to implement improved policies of any sort is another question. Having suffered under Gove I am sceptical.

I think Gove is exactly the right person at DEFRA. As the CAP ends he’ll be prepared to think outside the box and look at how we can maximise production, as opposed to maximising subsidy which is how farmers currently work.

ydoethur said:

another_richard said:

ydoethur said:

Sandpit said:

ydoethur said:

Virat Kohli should declare that and see if he can bowl England out tonight to get a week off.

Even for me that’s a bit dangerous, but an overnight declaration with a target of 330-350 isn’t out of the question. Who wants to play cricket on Tuesday or Wednesday, surely they’ve booked their tee times already?

When even Pujara is thrashing them at eight an over, that is a sign of a side in terminal disarray. I say get them in and get them out.

There is talk of resting Anderson and Broad from the winter tours, but I would have said the key players to leave at home are Root and Cook.

That's making the assumption that Broad deserves a place on the winter tour.

No it isn't, although I can see how you can read it that way (my turn to not be clear)! It's simply saying that Cook and Root both need a rest. It would also be a way of gracefully easing Root out of the captaincy which he is clearly not suited to.

Root has never been the same since last year's Headingley declaration and defeat.

Big_G_NorthWales said:

another_richard said:

Do we have any PB Manchester United supporters who come from Manchester or even Lancashire ?

As opposed to Scotland, Wales or London

I was born 5 miles from Old Trafford. Is that OK

Would that be Eastlands?

ralphmalph said:

another_richard said:

ydoethur said:

another_richard said:

ydoethur said:

another_richard said:

' More than a third of farmed fruit and vegetables never reaches supermarket shelves because it is misshapen or the wrong size, according to new research.

A University of Edinburgh study found more than 50 million tonnes of fruit and vegetables grown across Europe were discarded each year. '

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-45238732

Worth remembering when some farmer who wont off fair pay and conditions wails that crops are going unharvested.

And puts a new perspective on the foodbank issue.

I am at a complete loss to see the link between the story and your comments.

The wailing about a few strawberries (usually Scottish strawberries) being left behind is put into perspective by all the fruit and veg which is wasted because it is the wrong shape.

And how many people could be fed by all this wasted fruit and veg if it was instead given away or sold at a nominal price ?

So why the comment about fair wages?

By all means say that this is wasteful and inefficient, because it is. The CAP and CFP are run by people who would fail a Village Idiot interview for being overqualified.

But the point about labour shortages/low pay in the agricultural sector is a separate issue and it didn't add anything to your point. Indeed, it obscured it entirely.

The combination of the two things highlight the ridiculousness of the 'no strawberry left behind' position.

Not only could more crops be harvested if farmers offered fair pay and conditions but also the loss of food production through crops not being picked is minor compared to the crops which are picked and then wasted.

Sky had a news segment on EE workers on farms fruit picking. They went on location to a farm in Hereford and asked a young EE lady did she come fruit picking to meet her colleagues from last year. She said "I come because I earn a lot of money, (pause) a lot of money". They can earn over a 1000 per week. Then they took the cameras to where they lived and 700 workers were housed in mobile homes in a large field. They all seemed very content with the wages and the accommodation.
Then they had a Scottish fruit farmer on who moaned that the when it was too hot the EE workers did not turn up and went sightseeing and she could not get staff.
It just gave the impression of treat your workers well and they will reward you.

Indeed.

I'll also add that employers who live in big houses and rake in the profits are not going to have a contented or productive workforce if they try to keep the wages down.

ralphmalph said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

another_richard said:

Do we have any PB Manchester United supporters who come from Manchester or even Lancashire ?

As opposed to Scotland, Wales or London

I was born 5 miles from Old Trafford. Is that OK

Would that be Eastlands?

No Whitefield and it is 8 miles away. Sorry if I misled the distance

And as a baby I was sheltered under a steel table as Hitler's V bombs came over, one stopping directly over our house and landing nearby killing six.

Scary times

tlg86 said:

Arsène Wenger is available if United are looking for a new manager.

So is Alan Pardew.

Question.

What should the squad for Sri Lanka and West Indies be?

Let's start with who should not be going. Anderson, to rest that shoulder, Broad, who is not the force he was, Root, because he's lost his way, Cook, because he may be over the hill, Jennings, because he isn't good enough.

So that's most of the experienced core of the team out of the running.

For batsmen, I am not convinced by Pope. I think he's looked a bit skittish. However, I may be wrong, and he probably deserves at least to be on the tour given his record for Surrey. I am still less convinced by Buttler, but we need a back up keeper so he may as well travel.

For openers, realistically only Rory Burns has done well for his county and not failed for England. So he should probably go. Absent other alternatives, Joe Denly of Kent might also be worth a look. Perhaps Hameed if he can remember which way up to hold his bat. Or Dominic Sibley as an outsider.

For the middle order, I would be controversial and pick Ian Bell. He's old, but he's looked much better this season and in the absence of other seniors he would be useful for younger players to lean on. I would also send Moeen Ali for much the same reason and because he would provide an extra spin option. Probably Liam Livingstone and perhaps Tom Abell to round out the squad.

For bowlers, Woakes, Stokes and Curran pick themselves. Rashid more or less has to go although I'm still not convinced. Jamie Overton if he's fit. Porter as backup. I would also probably send Chris Jordan. I know he can blow hot and cold but he's bowling well this season (Gillespie's influence?) and he's got Test experience which may come in handy. For the spare spinner, probably Leach ahead of Bess.

That gives us:
Burns
Denly
Bell
Pope
Bairstow
Stokes
Ali
Woakes
Overton
Curran
Rashid

And as reserves
Livingstone
Abell
Porter
Jordan
Leach
Buttler.

Which leaves the question, who should captain? Bell might be a possibility but I think not, on the whole. Stokes - no. Bairstow - would be asking a lot. So I would give the captaincy to Woakes. He did a good job for the Lions as I recall.

Of course, thus will never ever happen as Ed Smith will just pick the same old failures. But it would be good to experiment a bit with so many senior players clearly at the end of their careers and others at the end of their tethers.

Big_G_NorthWales said:

ralphmalph said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

another_richard said:

Do we have any PB Manchester United supporters who come from Manchester or even Lancashire ?

As opposed to Scotland, Wales or London

I was born 5 miles from Old Trafford. Is that OK

Would that be Eastlands?

No Whitefield and it is 8 miles away. Sorry if I misled the distance

And as a baby I was sheltered under a steel table as Hitler's V bombs came over, one stopping directly over our house and landing nearby killing six.

Scary times

Eastlands is where Citeh stadium is, I was pulling your leg.
My father was born in Wythenshawe and he used to hide under the stairs. Seeing as he is into steam trains as well you should get on like a house on fire, he is a blue though.

Sandpit said:

It must be so tempting for India to declare with 20 minutes to go tonight and 330 up, 45 minutes from now.

There seem so many pathetic performances from teams in Test matches these days.

I don't mean when one side is clearly and continuously inferior to the other but when one side is pathetic in one Test and then the other side is pathetic in the next Test.

ralphmalph said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

ralphmalph said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

another_richard said:

Do we have any PB Manchester United supporters who come from Manchester or even Lancashire ?

As opposed to Scotland, Wales or London

I was born 5 miles from Old Trafford. Is that OK

Would that be Eastlands?

No Whitefield and it is 8 miles away. Sorry if I misled the distance

And as a baby I was sheltered under a steel table as Hitler's V bombs came over, one stopping directly over our house and landing nearby killing six.

Scary times

Eastlands is where Citeh stadium is, I was pulling your leg.
My father was born in Wythenshawe and he used to hide under the stairs. Seeing as he is into steam trains as well you should get on like a house on fire, he is a blue though.

My Father supported both United and City. He argued they were both from the City and we should be supporting Manchester.

I have no problem with City supporters who have a wonderful team just now

Some years ago now when Alex was in his prime I went to a meeting and was speaking to Bobby (Charlton) about our success and in his down to earth no nonsense response agreed but said to enjoy it while it lasts as success in football comes and goes.

kle4 said:

williamglenn said:

Panic in number 10?
https://twitter.com/robbiegibb/status/1031214609003425793?s=21

I'm sure there is panic there and has been for months, that's not new information, what about that indicates there is rising panic? I mean, given how loathed her deal was upon arrival, and reportedly trashed by the Commission from the get go, it's not as though they can have been sanguine before now.

Why would he suddenly start tweeting about the Sun poll today and going back to promoting the Chequers plan? From a quick search I can't see that he's ever referred to polls on Brexit since working for the government.

williamglenn said:

HYUFD said:

williamglenn said:

HYUFD said:

williamglenn said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Glenn, mildly surprised at your disbelief. Do you think there is a shift to Remain, or Leave, in the country?

Ah I see now. That poll is a month old and comes from the link below. Deltapoll haven't published their tables yet for the poll featured in today's Sun.

http://www.deltapoll.co.uk/polls/brext-chequers-may-conservatives

If anything today's Sun poll suggests a slight swing to Leave from that poll but even the earlier Deltapoll was post Chequers Deal so I doubt much has changed since

What's Deltapoll's record in General Elections?

I don't think it was around last time but it has former ICM and YouGov pollsters on its board

http://www.deltapoll.co.uk/who-we-are

Martin “polling disaster” Boon?

ICM was one of the few pollsters to predict Leave would win the EU referendum in its final poll

kle4 said:

williamglenn said:

Panic in number 10?
https://twitter.com/robbiegibb/status/1031214609003425793?s=21

I'm sure there is panic there and has been for months, that's not new information, what about that indicates there is rising panic? I mean, given how loathed her deal was upon arrival, and reportedly trashed by the Commission from the get go, it's not as though they can have been sanguine before now.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6042765/EU-offer-UK-stay-single-market-goods-without-free-movement.html

HYUFD said:

williamglenn said:

HYUFD said:

williamglenn said:

HYUFD said:

williamglenn said:

HYUFD said:

williamglenn said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Glenn, mildly surprised at your disbelief. Do you think there is a shift to Remain, or Leave, in the country?

Ah I see now. That poll is a month old and comes from the link below. Deltapoll haven't published their tables yet for the poll featured in today's Sun.

http://www.deltapoll.co.uk/polls/brext-chequers-may-conservatives

If anything today's Sun poll suggests a slight swing to Leave from that poll but even the earlier Deltapoll was post Chequers Deal so I doubt much has changed since

What's Deltapoll's record in General Elections?

I don't think it was around last time but it has former ICM and YouGov pollsters on its board

http://www.deltapoll.co.uk/who-we-are

Martin “polling disaster” Boon?

ICM was one of the few pollsters to predict Leave would win the EU referendum in its final poll

That might be because their last poll was before Jo Cox was murdered when most of the pollsters were saying Leave were ahead.

https://twitter.com/martinboon/status/742654947276259330

Whether the Jo Cox murder sad as it was made a huge difference is debateable, after all Leave still won and BMG and Comres had Remain ahead before the murder and TNS and Opinium had Leave still ahead even after the murder even if most pollsters had Remain ahead in their final polls

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_United_Kingdom_European_Union_membership_referendum

Whether it made a difference is debatable. The timing of the last ICM poll isn't, nor is the fact that 9 our of 11 polls before then had Leave ahead.

Sandpit said:

another_richard said:

Sandpit said:

It must be so tempting for India to declare with 20 minutes to go tonight and 330 up, 45 minutes from now.

There seem so many pathetic performances from teams in Test matches these days.

I don't mean when one side is clearly and continuously inferior to the other but when one side is pathetic in one Test and then the other side is pathetic in the next Test.

Agreed. England haven’t really showed up to this one, and India didn’t show up to the last one.

Close series often contain sequences of wildly one sided matches. Close tests like Edgbaston don't happen so often.

More bizarre captaincy from Root.

williamglenn said:

HYUFD said:

williamglenn said:

HYUFD said:

williamglenn said:

HYUFD said:

williamglenn said:

HYUFD said:

williamglenn said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Glenn, mildly surprised at your disbelief. Do you think there is a shift to Remain, or Leave, in the country?

Ah I see now. That poll is a month old and comes from the link below. Deltapoll haven't published their tables yet for the poll featured in today's Sun.

http://www.deltapoll.co.uk/polls/brext-chequers-may-conservatives

If anything today's Sun poll suggests a slight swing to Leave from that poll but even the earlier Deltapoll was post Chequers Deal so I doubt much has changed since

What's Deltapoll's record in General Elections?

I don't think it was around last time but it has former ICM and YouGov pollsters on its board

http://www.deltapoll.co.uk/who-we-are

Martin “polling disaster” Boon?

ICM was one of the few pollsters to predict Leave would win the EU referendum in its final poll

That might be because their last poll was before Jo Cox was murdered when most of the pollsters were saying Leave were ahead.

https://twitter.com/martinboon/status/742654947276259330

Whether the Jo Cox murder sad as it was made a huge difference is debateable, after all Leave still won and BMG and Comres had Remain ahead before the murder and TNS and Opinium had Leave still ahead even after the murder even if most pollsters had Remain ahead in their final polls

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_United_Kingdom_European_Union_membership_referendum

Whether it made a difference is debatable. The timing of the last ICM poll isn't, nor is the fact that 9 our of 11 polls before then had Leave ahead.

Of the final published polls by pollsters 8/11 had Remain ahead (ICM, TNS and Opinium the only pollsters to correctly call it for Leave), it was silent Leave voters that won it for Leave with the others

HYUFD said:

williamglenn said:

HYUFD said:

williamglenn said:

HYUFD said:

williamglenn said:

HYUFD said:

williamglenn said:

HYUFD said:

williamglenn said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Glenn, mildly surprised at your disbelief. Do you think there is a shift to Remain, or Leave, in the country?

Ah I see now. That poll is a month old and comes from the link below. Deltapoll haven't published their tables yet for the poll featured in today's Sun.

http://www.deltapoll.co.uk/polls/brext-chequers-may-conservatives

If anything today's Sun poll suggests a slight swing to Leave from that poll but even the earlier Deltapoll was post Chequers Deal so I doubt much has changed since

What's Deltapoll's record in General Elections?

I don't think it was around last time but it has former ICM and YouGov pollsters on its board

http://www.deltapoll.co.uk/who-we-are

Martin “polling disaster” Boon?

ICM was one of the few pollsters to predict Leave would win the EU referendum in its final poll

That might be because their last poll was before Jo Cox was murdered when most of the pollsters were saying Leave were ahead.

https://twitter.com/martinboon/status/742654947276259330

Whether the Jo Cox murder sad as it was made a huge difference is debateable, after all Leave still won and BMG and Comres had Remain ahead before the murder and TNS and Opinium had Leave still ahead even after the murder even if most pollsters had Remain ahead in their final polls

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_United_Kingdom_European_Union_membership_referendum

Whether it made a difference is debatable. The timing of the last ICM poll isn't, nor is the fact that 9 our of 11 polls before then had Leave ahead.

Of the final published polls by pollsters 8/11 had Remain ahead (ICM, TNS and Opinium the only pollsters to correctly call it for Leave), it was silent Leave voters that won it for Leave with the others

Or the modelling last time was wrong.

another_richard said:

Foxy said:

another_richard said:

ydoethur said:

another_richard said:

ydoethur said:

another_richard said:

' More than a third of farmed fruit and vegetables never reaches supermarket shelves because it is misshapen or the wrong size, according to new research.

A University of Edinburgh study found more than 50 million tonnes of fruit and vegetables grown across Europe were discarded each year. '

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-45238732

Worth remembering when some farmer who wont off fair pay and conditions wails that crops are going unharvested.

And puts a new perspective on the foodbank issue.

I am at a complete loss to see the link between the story and your comments.

The wailing about a few strawberries (usually Scottish strawberries) being left behind is put into perspective by all the fruit and veg which is wasted because it is the wrong shape.

And how many people could be fed by all this wasted fruit and veg if it was instead given away or sold at a nominal price ?

So why the comment about fair wages?

By all means say that this is wasteful and inefficient, because it is. The CAP and CFP are run by people who would fail a Village Idiot interview for being overqualified.

But the point about labour shortages/low pay in the agricultural sector is a separate issue and it didn't add anything to your point. Indeed, it obscured it entirely.

The combination of the two things highlight the ridiculousness of the 'no strawberry left behind' position.

Not only could more crops be harvested if farmers offered fair pay and conditions but also the loss of food production through crops not being picked is minor compared to the crops which are picked and then wasted.

Surely the difference is that misshapen fruit are not saleable, while unpicked premium fruit are?

They should be sellable albeit at a lower price.

Plus there are the issues of food wastage in moral terms, food poverty / higher food prices and damage to the environment from excess production

https://www.wonkyvegboxes.co.uk/about

https://www.oddbox.co.uk/

https://www.imperfectproduce.com/

https://www.hortweek.com/waitrose-launches-misshapen-vegetables-range/fresh-produce/article/1383796

williamglenn said:

HYUFD said:

IanB2 said:

HYUFD said:

williamglenn said:

HYUFD said:

williamglenn said:

HYUFD said:

williamglenn said:

HYUFD said:

williamglenn said:

HYUFD said:

williamglenn said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Glenn, mildly surprised at your disbelief. Do you think there is a shift to Remain, or Leave, in the country?

Ah I see now. That poll is a month old and comes from the link below. Deltapoll haven't published their tables yet for the poll featured in today's Sun.

http://www.deltapoll.co.uk/polls/brext-chequers-may-conservatives

If anything today's Sun poll suggests a slight swing to Leave from that poll but even the earlier Deltapoll was post Chequers Deal so I doubt much has changed since

What's Deltapoll's record in General Elections?

I don't think it was around last time but it has former ICM and YouGov pollsters on its board

http://www.deltapoll.co.uk/who-we-are

Martin “polling disaster” Boon?

ICM was one of the few pollsters to predict Leave would win the EU referendum in its final poll

That might be because their last poll was before Jo Cox was murdered when most of the pollsters were saying Leave were ahead.

https://twitter.com/martinboon/status/742654947276259330

Whether the Jo Cox murder sad as it was made a huge difference is debateable, after all Leave still won and BMG and Comres had Remain ahead before the murder and TNS and Opinium had Leave still ahead even after the murder even if most pollsters had Remain ahead in their final polls

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_United_Kingdom_European_Union_membership_referendum

Whether it made a difference is debatable. The timing of the last ICM poll isn't, nor is the fact that 9 our of 11 polls before then had Leave ahead.

Of the final published polls by pollsters 8/11 had Remain ahead (ICM, TNS and Opinium the only pollsters to correctly call it for Leave), it was silent Leave voters that won it for Leave with the others

Or the modelling last time was wrong.

The 'silent' Leave voters are likely still with us

In a choice between "the Brexit people voted for" aka Chequers, and Remain, would they turn out to vote?

As I asked earlier how are you getting to the vote and questions