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May has just said she'll be making an announcement shortly as she's been in the house for most of the afternoon.david_herdson said:
There was a time when releasing false information which might affect betting was a red card offence.Sean_F said:
Priti Patel is the new Foreign Secretary.
There's nothing on any of the news / social media sites?0 -
Obesity?Alanbrooke said:
based on what evidence ?Foxy said:
Because theirs are lower still.Alanbrooke said:
we allow lower standards in from Poland, Italy the Netherlandswhy arbitrarily pick on the yanksFoxy said:
No problem with UK ones being higher, the objection is allowing in lower standards US chicken.Charles said:
Although (as Nick I am sure will confirm) British animal welfare standards are higher than in the EUFoxy said:
Not so much husbandry as slaughterhouse practice. There is a lot of faecal contamination because of the rate of slaughter lines in the USA. Coordination is to kill off surface contamination, so that microbiological tests are passed. It does not deal with deeper contamination.Anazina said:
For crying out loud. It doesn't mean we should wash chicken in it. We should be moving towards less food processing, not more. Well reared free-range chicken doesn't need chlorine on it. The reason they chlorinate chicken is because it is utter shite.Philip_Thompson said:
We drink chlorine every single day.Anorak said:
NEWSFLASH: Man hospitalised after drinking four pints of shampoo. "I don't understand. I wash the kids with this every night."brendan16 said:
We coat our kids in chlorine everytime they go swimming. Not sure why it's any worse for chicken?FrancisUrquhart said:I do despair at the level of debate....old Fat head was banging on about chlorinated chicken as the reason why we can't Brexit / do a deal with America.
There are lots of reasons why there are lots of complications, but this nonsense on chlorinated chicken is just bollocks. When he was called on it, that we already have products that are chlorinated, but he said but the public are resistant to it....well you massive muppet, the public simply won't buy it will they.
https://www.water.org.uk/consumers/water-and-health/faqs#chlorine
One of the good things about May's proposal is that the EU will continue to regulate our food standards.
you don't have millions of yanks dying from food poisoning any more than you do millions of Europeans . When you go to the states are you saying you don't eat ?
or should we stop eating UK food if Sweden proves to have higher standards ?
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But David Cameron said that Ed Miliband would bring a ‘coalition of chaos’ and only he offered competence....AndyJS said:Former Swedish PM:
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Tragic to see how the UK is lost in the post-referendum chaos. This used to be a nation providing leadership to the world. Now it can’t even provide leadership to itself."0 -
£40 billion - or a discount thereto - should still get that.Richard_Nabavi said:
'A deal other than WTO terms' doesn't exist. This is the point I keep repeating. There's a massive confusion between leaving with literally no deal - which is unthinkable, since the economy and much else besides would just stop - and agreeing a deal whereby we have an orderly transition to WTO terms. But the latter still requires a deal with the EU.David_Evershed said:The Ultras don't need a H of C vote.
Just drop out of the EU without a deal other than WTO terms.0 -
No, he wants them to have the same terms as everyone else, the PM supposedly gave her word on Friday, but that has been rowed back since. I expect that is why he is keeping very quiet at the moment.David_Evershed said:
I thought Javid has already said EU citizens will get special treatment if not automatic entry with a job.MaxPB said:
Yes, one question that would kill her off is asking her to confirm whether or not EU citizens will get special treatment wrt to immigration. If she gives out a non-answer or confirms that they will I think Javid walks and brings the shitshow down with him.MarqueeMark said:
The one resignation that would kill off May now would be Javid.....Pulpstar said:I think Fox will leap ship next. Much as he's disliked by many here that is probably fatal for May.
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Then they'll be swinging from the lampposts within three days of the supermarkets running out of food.David_Evershed said:
The Ultras don't need a H of C vote.Richard_Nabavi said:
Precisely. As our great and much-lamented former Chancellor wisely said, the golden rule of politics is that you have to be able to count. Where on earth are the ultras going to find 320+ votes in the Commons for a Brexit harder than that Theressa May is aiming for?Nigelb said:
And probably will not be able to rely on votes from across the floor as May has.JosiasJessop said:
As I said in the last reply, that was hardly the start of it, was it? Though it may be the end.GIN1138 said:
Disloyalty?JosiasJessop said:I hope whichever leaver becomes PM (and I reckon it will be a leaver) gets the same shitty 'loyalty' they've shown May. It's all they deserve; some of them have helped bring down three Conservative PMs over Europe.
The disloyal cannot expect loyalty.
And where does this all end up? A Corbyn government ...
Theresa May was threatening her Cabinet with humiliation in order to force them to agree to her deal on Friday...
I said it wouldn't end well for her.
A leaver PM is going to have awful troubles within the party - and they'll deserve it, too. I'm quite looking forward to it. Major, Cameron and May all damaged or brought down by the same group of people within the party.
Just drop out of the EU without a deal other than WTO terms.0 -
I think Theresa will win but her majority will be so small that her position will be untenable.0
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.. which the HoC has to approve.MarqueeMark said:
£40 billion - or a discount thereto - should still get that.Richard_Nabavi said:
'A deal other than WTO terms' doesn't exist. This is the point I keep repeating. There's a massive confusion between leaving with literally no deal - which is unthinkable, since the economy and much else besides would just stop - and agreeing a deal whereby we have an orderly transition to WTO terms. But the latter still requires a deal with the EU.David_Evershed said:The Ultras don't need a H of C vote.
Just drop out of the EU without a deal other than WTO terms.
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Meanwhile Putin and Trump are going to have a good laugh at what they have done.0
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It would be a first if a minister resigns by posting a twitter message whilst sitting on the front bench.0
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That looks very astute.MaxPB said:
He's also been suspiciously quiet other than to voice his support of Davis and Boris. I think he knows he's about to get stitched up on EU citizen rights because May can't be trusted to keep her word. If Gove were smart he'd be talking to Javid right now about bringing May down with a double resignation just before the first editions. They both broadly favour the deal and could retain almost all of it as a ticket with a remainer/leaver in 10/11.JohnO said:
Agree. From watching the exchanges - and tenor - from the Conservative side, I now believe May will win the no confidence vote with a sufficient majority to continue. But Javid quitting would be the end.MarqueeMark said:
The one resignation that would kill off May now would be Javid.....Pulpstar said:I think Fox will leap ship next. Much as he's disliked by many here that is probably fatal for May.
It's what I would be thinking in Gove's place anyway, it gets him into a key role in the government, he backs the winner and he gets to shape Brexit as he wants it.0 -
I thought us and the paddies have now supersized to US standards with much of Europe waddling fast to overtake us.David_Evershed said:
Obesity?Alanbrooke said:
based on what evidence ?Foxy said:
Because theirs are lower still.Alanbrooke said:
we allow lower standards in from Poland, Italy the Netherlandswhy arbitrarily pick on the yanksFoxy said:
No problem with UK ones being higher, the objection is allowing in lower standards US chicken.Charles said:
Although (as Nick I am sure will confirm) British animal welfare standards are higher than in the EUFoxy said:
Not so much husbandry as slaughterhouse practice. There is a lot of faecal contamination because of the rate of slaughter lines in the USA. Coordination is to kill off surface contamination, so that microbiological tests are passed. It does not deal with deeper contamination.Anazina said:
For crying out loud. It doesn't mean we should wash chicken in it. We should be moving towards less food processing, not more. Well reared free-range chicken doesn't need chlorine on it. The reason they chlorinate chicken is because it is utter shite.Philip_Thompson said:
We drink chlorine every single day.Anorak said:
NEWSFLASH: Man hospitalised after drinking four pints of shampoo. "I don't understand. I wash the kids with this every night."brendan16 said:
We coat our kids in chlorine everytime they go swimming. Not sure why it's any worse for chicken?FrancisUrquhart said:I do despair at the level of debate....old Fat head was banging on about chlorinated chicken as the reason why we can't Brexit / do a deal with America.
There are lots of reasons why there are lots of complications, but this nonsense on chlorinated chicken is just bollocks. When he was called on it, that we already have products that are chlorinated, but he said but the public are resistant to it....well you massive muppet, the public simply won't buy it will they.
https://www.water.org.uk/consumers/water-and-health/faqs#chlorine
One of the good things about May's proposal is that the EU will continue to regulate our food standards.
you don't have millions of yanks dying from food poisoning any more than you do millions of Europeans . When you go to the states are you saying you don't eat ?
or should we stop eating UK food if Sweden proves to have higher standards ?
Everything always bigger in the USA.0 -
Did anyone get on that 10/1 on Boris resigning today? Great money for anyone brave enough. Surely TM needs a confidence vote now, or her authority is shot beyond belief?0
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If she loses we have a full campaign for a new leader with two candidates eventually being put to the membership. This could take all summerFoxy said:If May wins a leadership challenge, then she gets year. If she loses, does the new leader also get a year, or are they in peril from day one?
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Don't put your hopes on Javid, he showed his principles were for sale when the referendum cameMaxPB said:
No, he wants them to have the same terms as everyone else, the PM supposedly gave her word on Friday, but that has been rowed back since. I expect that is why he is keeping very quiet at the moment.David_Evershed said:
I thought Javid has already said EU citizens will get special treatment if not automatic entry with a job.MaxPB said:
Yes, one question that would kill her off is asking her to confirm whether or not EU citizens will get special treatment wrt to immigration. If she gives out a non-answer or confirms that they will I think Javid walks and brings the shitshow down with him.MarqueeMark said:
The one resignation that would kill off May now would be Javid.....Pulpstar said:I think Fox will leap ship next. Much as he's disliked by many here that is probably fatal for May.
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Her U-Turn when Boris becomes PM is going to be a sight to behold.williamglenn said:0 -
I got 7/1 (on anyone going), which was good news for me. The bad news was the Paddy limited me to half a Pret sandwich.tpfkar said:Did anyone get on that 10/1 on Boris resigning today? Great money for anyone brave enough. Surely TM needs a confidence vote now, or her authority is shot beyond belief?
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Food stops, lack of medicine stops the NHS, foreign holidays stop. Name me an MP that would want to be attached to that?Richard_Nabavi said:
.. which the HoC has to approve.MarqueeMark said:
£40 billion - or a discount thereto - should still get that.Richard_Nabavi said:
'A deal other than WTO terms' doesn't exist. This is the point I keep repeating. There's a massive confusion between leaving with literally no deal - which is unthinkable, since the economy and much else besides would just stop - and agreeing a deal whereby we have an orderly transition to WTO terms. But the latter still requires a deal with the EU.David_Evershed said:The Ultras don't need a H of C vote.
Just drop out of the EU without a deal other than WTO terms.
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It's on Politicalbetting.comdavid_herdson said:
There was a time when releasing false information which might affect betting was a red card offence.Sean_F said:
Priti Patel is the new Foreign Secretary.
There's nothing on any of the news / social media sites?
So it must be true.0 -
yes Germany is in even more of a mess than we are.surby said:Meanwhile Putin and Trump are going to have a good laugh at what they have done.
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How do you know her majority. Out of 316 I would expect her to get over 200GIN1138 said:I think Theresa will win but the result majority will be so small that her position will be untenable.
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I expect we're can look forward to assorted headbangers on the news bulletins night after night ramping up No Deal...0
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Leo Varadkar ?MarqueeMark said:
Food stops, lack of medicine stops the NHS, foreign holidays stop. Name me an MP that would want to be attached to that?Richard_Nabavi said:
.. which the HoC has to approve.MarqueeMark said:
£40 billion - or a discount thereto - should still get that.Richard_Nabavi said:
'A deal other than WTO terms' doesn't exist. This is the point I keep repeating. There's a massive confusion between leaving with literally no deal - which is unthinkable, since the economy and much else besides would just stop - and agreeing a deal whereby we have an orderly transition to WTO terms. But the latter still requires a deal with the EU.David_Evershed said:The Ultras don't need a H of C vote.
Just drop out of the EU without a deal other than WTO terms.
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Why? Given the urgency, why can't they say that it's a week to whittle down candidates to 2 via a series of MP votes, then a 2 week window for postal member ballots to be returned. All done in 3 weeks and hardly abuse of process. If you're away for the full 2 weeks, nominate a proxy adddress while the MPs are voting, job done. No time for hustings & campaigns, but surely enough to get a fair vote done.Big_G_NorthWales said:
If she loses we have a full campaign for a new leader with two candidates eventually being put to the membership. This could take all summerFoxy said:If May wins a leadership challenge, then she gets year. If she loses, does the new leader also get a year, or are they in peril from day one?
P.S. Can I say how much I've appreciated and respected your posts over recent weeks - a very insightful picture of a journey I think many people have been on.0 -
Clear what 34% - largely Labour voters - want....CarlottaVance said:0 -
He's a TD.Alanbrooke said:
Leo Varadkar ?MarqueeMark said:
Food stops, lack of medicine stops the NHS, foreign holidays stop. Name me an MP that would want to be attached to that?Richard_Nabavi said:
.. which the HoC has to approve.MarqueeMark said:
£40 billion - or a discount thereto - should still get that.Richard_Nabavi said:
'A deal other than WTO terms' doesn't exist. This is the point I keep repeating. There's a massive confusion between leaving with literally no deal - which is unthinkable, since the economy and much else besides would just stop - and agreeing a deal whereby we have an orderly transition to WTO terms. But the latter still requires a deal with the EU.David_Evershed said:The Ultras don't need a H of C vote.
Just drop out of the EU without a deal other than WTO terms.
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Germany is not facing its economy collapsing in less than nine months time.Alanbrooke said:
yes Germany is in even more of a mess than we are.surby said:Meanwhile Putin and Trump are going to have a good laugh at what they have done.
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And what of the country as the Conservatives navel-gaze for months on end ?!?Big_G_NorthWales said:
If she loses we have a full campaign for a new leader with two candidates eventually being put to the membership. This could take all summerFoxy said:If May wins a leadership challenge, then she gets year. If she loses, does the new leader also get a year, or are they in peril from day one?
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Confident May will win, the resignations no real impact. Boris has been exposed for what he is since Gove knifed him and his stock has fallen even lower. DD's card was marked after he called that by-election back in 2008.
Would take further resignations by people whose stocks are rising for someone to take May to one side and say it's over, you're done.0 -
That's precisely my point. Even if the ultras manage to find someone sufficiently out with the fairies to contemplate No Deal, and manage to persuade Tory MPs into putting this candidate in the running, and manage to persuade the party as a whole to commit suicide by voting for him or her, that still doesn't alter the fact that there will have to be a deal with the EU, that parliament will have to approve it, and that the numbers don't add up for the ultras.MarqueeMark said:
Food stops, lack of medicine stops the NHS, foreign holidays stop. Name me an MP that would want to be attached to that?Richard_Nabavi said:
.. which the HoC has to approve.MarqueeMark said:
£40 billion - or a discount thereto - should still get that.Richard_Nabavi said:
'A deal other than WTO terms' doesn't exist. This is the point I keep repeating. There's a massive confusion between leaving with literally no deal - which is unthinkable, since the economy and much else besides would just stop - and agreeing a deal whereby we have an orderly transition to WTO terms. But the latter still requires a deal with the EU.David_Evershed said:The Ultras don't need a H of C vote.
Just drop out of the EU without a deal other than WTO terms.
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Looking at these tweets, posted variously in this thread,
https://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/1016270527378452482
https://twitter.com/Max_Fisher/status/1016324334493880320
https://twitter.com/GovHowardDean/status/1016339769905897472
i think we can see a theme developing: that the rest of the world is no longer taking the UK seriously as a leading nation.0 -
Possibly, but if opinion polls and election results show the Tories holding firm as the 2022 becomes closer, why shouldn’t she?MaxPB said:
No, if she wins she will dig in until 2022. I don't see how she can be unseated before then if she gets party backing.Foxy said:If May wins a leadership challenge, then she gets year. If she loses, does the new leader also get a year, or are they in peril from day one?
If the party supports slump, she’ll go or be ousted. But now is not the time.0 -
As long as they are watching in Brussels......williamglenn said:I expect we're can look forward to assorted headbangers on the news bulletins night after night ramping up No Deal...
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Boris becoming PM would *almost* be a price worth paying to see that.Alistair said:
Her U-Turn when Boris becomes PM is going to be a sight to behold.williamglenn said:0 -
Why not, if No Deal is terrible for us it is also terrible for Germanyrpjs said:
Germany is not facing its economy collapsing in less than nine months time.Alanbrooke said:
yes Germany is in even more of a mess than we are.surby said:Meanwhile Putin and Trump are going to have a good laugh at what they have done.
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Is that an abbreviation ?rpjs said:
He's a TD.Alanbrooke said:
Leo Varadkar ?MarqueeMark said:
Food stops, lack of medicine stops the NHS, foreign holidays stop. Name me an MP that would want to be attached to that?Richard_Nabavi said:
.. which the HoC has to approve.MarqueeMark said:
£40 billion - or a discount thereto - should still get that.Richard_Nabavi said:
'A deal other than WTO terms' doesn't exist. This is the point I keep repeating. There's a massive confusion between leaving with literally no deal - which is unthinkable, since the economy and much else besides would just stop - and agreeing a deal whereby we have an orderly transition to WTO terms. But the latter still requires a deal with the EU.David_Evershed said:The Ultras don't need a H of C vote.
Just drop out of the EU without a deal other than WTO terms.
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Because a lot of "neutral's" will think this could be their one and only chance to get rid of her before 2022.Big_G_NorthWales said:
How do you know her majority. Out of 316 I would expect her to get over 200GIN1138 said:I think Theresa will win but the result majority will be so small that her position will be untenable.
If she wins big she's there to the next election... And surely even Big G wouldn't trust Theresa May with another general election campaign?
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I see her statement took a long time to put togetherAlistair said:
Her U-Turn when Boris becomes PM is going to be a sight to behold.williamglenn said:
https://twitter.com/davieclegg/status/10163103028817960970 -
Mr. rpjs, you could also find three foreigners who think we're right to leave, or no deal is the best way to go.
A trio of tweets does not prove much.
Not to mention, the current situation is very much in flux. Assessing it now would be like trying to write a race review halfway in.0 -
rpjs said:
Looking at these tweets, posted variously in this thread,
twitter.com/carlbildt/status/1016270527378452482
twitter.com/Max_Fisher/status/1016324334493880320
twitter.com/GovHowardDean/status/1016339769905897472
i think we can see a theme developing: that the rest of the world is no longer taking the UK seriously as a leading nation.
I guess that's what being in the EU too long does to you.
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This I simply don't understand. Why would the supermarkets run out of food? Would the EU farmers be any less keen to sell to us? If not, then the only impediment to food reaching our supermarkets would be impediments the British government, not the EU, puts in the way. I.e. it would be in the power of HMG to prevent your scenario.rpjs said:
Then they'll be swinging from the lampposts within three days of the supermarkets running out of food.David_Evershed said:
The Ultras don't need a H of C vote.Richard_Nabavi said:
Precisely. As our great and much-lamented former Chancellor wisely said, the golden rule of politics is that you have to be able to count. Where on earth are the ultras going to find 320+ votes in the Commons for a Brexit harder than that Theressa May is aiming for?Nigelb said:
And probably will not be able to rely on votes from across the floor as May has.JosiasJessop said:
As I said in the last reply, that was hardly the start of it, was it? Though it may be the end.GIN1138 said:
Disloyalty?JosiasJessop said:I hope whichever leaver becomes PM (and I reckon it will be a leaver) gets the same shitty 'loyalty' they've shown May. It's all they deserve; some of them have helped bring down three Conservative PMs over Europe.
The disloyal cannot expect loyalty.
And where does this all end up? A Corbyn government ...
Theresa May was threatening her Cabinet with humiliation in order to force them to agree to her deal on Friday...
I said it wouldn't end well for her.
A leaver PM is going to have awful troubles within the party - and they'll deserve it, too. I'm quite looking forward to it. Major, Cameron and May all damaged or brought down by the same group of people within the party.
Just drop out of the EU without a deal other than WTO terms.
Or am I missing something? Please explain.0 -
Depends if he believes the hype that he is on pole to replace May.....maaarsh said:
Don't put your hopes on Javid, he showed his principles were for sale when the referendum cameMaxPB said:
No, he wants them to have the same terms as everyone else, the PM supposedly gave her word on Friday, but that has been rowed back since. I expect that is why he is keeping very quiet at the moment.David_Evershed said:
I thought Javid has already said EU citizens will get special treatment if not automatic entry with a job.MaxPB said:
Yes, one question that would kill her off is asking her to confirm whether or not EU citizens will get special treatment wrt to immigration. If she gives out a non-answer or confirms that they will I think Javid walks and brings the shitshow down with him.MarqueeMark said:
The one resignation that would kill off May now would be Javid.....Pulpstar said:I think Fox will leap ship next. Much as he's disliked by many here that is probably fatal for May.
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Most of LK's tweets are just her making stuff up. Anything that begins with the words Whispers, Hearing, Understand or Told are just her imagining stuff.Scott_P said:0 -
Thank you for your kind words. I am very annoyed with the Brexiteers and especially Boris with his FO to Airbus and that tipped me over and to back a soft Brexit .tpfkar said:
Why? Given the urgency, why can't they say that it's a week to whittle down candidates to 2 via a series of MP votes, then a 2 week window for postal member ballots to be returned. All done in 3 weeks and hardly abuse of process. If you're away for the full 2 weeks, nominate a proxy adddress while the MPs are voting, job done. No time for hustings & campaigns, but surely enough to get a fair vote done.Big_G_NorthWales said:
If she loses we have a full campaign for a new leader with two candidates eventually being put to the membership. This could take all summerFoxy said:If May wins a leadership challenge, then she gets year. If she loses, does the new leader also get a year, or are they in peril from day one?
P.S. Can I say how much I've appreciated and respected your posts over recent weeks - a very insightful picture of a journey I think many people have been on.
As far as a leadership contest is concerned I would expect televised hustings before the submission to the members but maybe it could be condensed0 -
no different than when we fell out of the EMSrpjs said:Looking at these tweets, posted variously in this thread,
https://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/1016270527378452482
https://twitter.com/Max_Fisher/status/1016324334493880320
https://twitter.com/GovHowardDean/status/1016339769905897472
i think we can see a theme developing: that the rest of the world is no longer taking the UK seriously as a leading nation.
then when they needed people to pay bills and troops to fight suddenly it all changed0 -
Just like the polls held up before 2017. She's a complete loser of a campaigner. Worse than Brown. I think the plotters will make it very clear that this will be the one and only chance to dump her before 2022. We all know that she will cling to power at whatever the cost of she wins this time.JohnO said:
Possibly, but if opinion polls and election results show the Tories holding firm as the 2022 becomes closer, why shouldn’t she?MaxPB said:
No, if she wins she will dig in until 2022. I don't see how she can be unseated before then if she gets party backing.Foxy said:If May wins a leadership challenge, then she gets year. If she loses, does the new leader also get a year, or are they in peril from day one?
If the party supports slump, she’ll go or be ousted. But now is not the time.0 -
May - It's in the national interest, it's in the national interest, it's in the national interest, ..........GIN1138 said:Pulpstar said:
Much as I know you're a hardcore leaver and so would wish it to be so, I think you're right.GIN1138 said:
Disloyalty?JosiasJessop said:I hope whichever leaver becomes PM (and I reckon it will be a leaver) gets the same shitty 'loyalty' they've shown May. It's all they deserve; some of them have helped bring down three Conservative PMs over Europe.
The disloyal cannot expect loyalty.
And where does this all end up? A Corbyn government ...
Theresa May was threatening her Cabinet with humiliation in order to force them to agree to her deal on Friday...
I said it wouldn't end well for her.
Actually I could probably live with Theresa's deal if that was the end point - But her starting position is basically at the point where I'd say no more.
I know she'll give even more to the EU from here.0 -
It is her duty to hang in there - just for now!MarqueeMark said:
Clear what 34% - largely Labour voters - want....CarlottaVance said:0 -
you clearly aren't following the german pressrpjs said:
Germany is not facing its economy collapsing in less than nine months time.Alanbrooke said:
yes Germany is in even more of a mess than we are.surby said:Meanwhile Putin and Trump are going to have a good laugh at what they have done.
little englander
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20.5% of Labour voters think she should hang on, 55.8% of Tory voters.surby said:
It is her duty to hang in there - just for now!MarqueeMark said:
Clear what 34% - largely Labour voters - want....CarlottaVance said:0 -
Go to Scotland. Play golf. Go home.RochdalePioneers said:Question - with Her Majesty's Government tearing itself apart and potentially removing the PM in the next day or two, what advise do you give the President if you are a senior White House staffer about whether to come on Thursday?
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Is there not any way around this at all? Wouldn't the benefit of trading with the US outweigh fixing this problem?rcs1000 said:
That's not the reason.
The price for a UK-US FTA is unfettered access to the UK for US agricultural products. Because UK meat requires significantly higher levels of animal welfare than the US, its cost of production is much, much higher. British farmers cannot both produce under current standards, and compete with US produce.
We can lower animal welfare standards to allow UK farmers to compete, or we can choose not to have an FTA with the US. What we cannot do is have a situation where we hobble our farmers and drive them out of business.0 -
Traffic jams at Dover and Calais as customs struggle to deal with the admin.MTimT said:
This I simply don't understand. Why would the supermarkets run out of food? Would the EU farmers be any less keen to sell to us? If not, then the only impediment to food reaching our supermarkets would be impediments the British government, not the EU, puts in the way. I.e. it would be in the power of HMG to prevent your scenario.rpjs said:
Then they'll be swinging from the lampposts within three days of the supermarkets running out of food.David_Evershed said:
The Ultras don't need a H of C vote.Richard_Nabavi said:
Precisely. As our great and much-lamented former Chancellor wisely said, the golden rule of politics is that you have to be able to count. Where on earth are the ultras going to find 320+ votes in the Commons for a Brexit harder than that Theressa May is aiming for?Nigelb said:
And probably will not be able to rely on votes from across the floor as May has.JosiasJessop said:
As I said in the last reply, that was hardly the start of it, was it? Though it may be the end.GIN1138 said:
Disloyalty?JosiasJessop said:I hope whichever leaver becomes PM (and I reckon it will be a leaver) gets the same shitty 'loyalty' they've shown May. It's all they deserve; some of them have helped bring down three Conservative PMs over Europe.
The disloyal cannot expect loyalty.
And where does this all end up? A Corbyn government ...
Theresa May was threatening her Cabinet with humiliation in order to force them to agree to her deal on Friday...
I said it wouldn't end well for her.
A leaver PM is going to have awful troubles within the party - and they'll deserve it, too. I'm quite looking forward to it. Major, Cameron and May all damaged or brought down by the same group of people within the party.
Just drop out of the EU without a deal other than WTO terms.
Or am I missing something? Please explain.0 -
The EU U-boats...MTimT said:
This I simply don't understand. Why would the supermarkets run out of food? Would the EU farmers be any less keen to sell to us? If not, then the only impediment to food reaching our supermarkets would be impediments the British government, not the EU, puts in the way. I.e. it would be in the power of HMG to prevent your scenario.rpjs said:
Then they'll be swinging from the lampposts within three days of the supermarkets running out of food.David_Evershed said:
The Ultras don't need a H of C vote.Richard_Nabavi said:
Precisely. As our great and much-lamented former Chancellor wisely said, the golden rule of politics is that you have to be able to count. Where on earth are the ultras going to find 320+ votes in the Commons for a Brexit harder than that Theressa May is aiming for?Nigelb said:
And probably will not be able to rely on votes from across the floor as May has.JosiasJessop said:
As I said in the last reply, that was hardly the start of it, was it? Though it may be the end.GIN1138 said:
Disloyalty?JosiasJessop said:I hope whichever leaver becomes PM (and I reckon it will be a leaver) gets the same shitty 'loyalty' they've shown May. It's all they deserve; some of them have helped bring down three Conservative PMs over Europe.
The disloyal cannot expect loyalty.
And where does this all end up? A Corbyn government ...
Theresa May was threatening her Cabinet with humiliation in order to force them to agree to her deal on Friday...
I said it wouldn't end well for her.
A leaver PM is going to have awful troubles within the party - and they'll deserve it, too. I'm quite looking forward to it. Major, Cameron and May all damaged or brought down by the same group of people within the party.
Just drop out of the EU without a deal other than WTO terms.
Or am I missing something? Please explain.
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Jack a man of your experience and sagacity should know by now that the country is not the Tories' priority. What they are really interested in is their own internal psychodrama and the country is just collateral damage. As the former foreign secretary didn't say, their attitude over the past few years has been "f*ck the country." And they are continuing in that vein.JackW said:
And what of the country as the Conservatives navel-gaze for months on end ?!?Big_G_NorthWales said:
If she loses we have a full campaign for a new leader with two candidates eventually being put to the membership. This could take all summerFoxy said:If May wins a leadership challenge, then she gets year. If she loses, does the new leader also get a year, or are they in peril from day one?
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Nope:MarqueeMark said:
Clear what 34% - largely Labour voters - want....CarlottaVance said:
Stay until next election:
Con: 56
Lab: 20
LibD: 30
Resign immediately:
Con: 9
Lab: 39
LibD: 15
http://survation.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/MoS-final-tables.pdf
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This basically sums up Theresa May in election modeMaxPB said:
Just like the polls held up before 2017. She's a complete loser of a campaigner. Worse than Brown. I think the plotters will make it very clear that this will be the one and only chance to dump her before 2022. We all know that she will cling to power at whatever the cost of she wins this time.JohnO said:
Possibly, but if opinion polls and election results show the Tories holding firm as the 2022 becomes closer, why shouldn’t she?MaxPB said:
No, if she wins she will dig in until 2022. I don't see how she can be unseated before then if she gets party backing.Foxy said:If May wins a leadership challenge, then she gets year. If she loses, does the new leader also get a year, or are they in peril from day one?
If the party supports slump, she’ll go or be ousted. But now is not the time.
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It's the y2k bug stupid. It's just been renamed.MTimT said:
This I simply don't understand. Why would the supermarkets run out of food? Would the EU farmers be any less keen to sell to us? If not, then the only impediment to food reaching our supermarkets would be impediments the British government, not the EU, puts in the way. I.e. it would be in the power of HMG to prevent your scenario.rpjs said:
Then they'll be swinging from the lampposts within three days of the supermarkets running out of food.David_Evershed said:
The Ultras don't need a H of C vote.Richard_Nabavi said:
Precisely. As our great and much-lamented former Chancellor wisely said, the golden rule of politics is that you have to be able to count. Where on earth are the ultras going to find 320+ votes in the Commons for a Brexit harder than that Theressa May is aiming for?Nigelb said:
And probably will not be able to rely on votes from across the floor as May has.JosiasJessop said:
As I said in the last reply, that was hardly the start of it, was it? Though it may be the end.GIN1138 said:
Disloyalty?JosiasJessop said:I hope whichever leaver becomes PM (and I reckon it will be a leaver) gets the same shitty 'loyalty' they've shown May. It's all they deserve; some of them have helped bring down three Conservative PMs over Europe.
The disloyal cannot expect loyalty.
And where does this all end up? A Corbyn government ...
Theresa May was threatening her Cabinet with humiliation in order to force them to agree to her deal on Friday...
I said it wouldn't end well for her.
A leaver PM is going to have awful troubles within the party - and they'll deserve it, too. I'm quite looking forward to it. Major, Cameron and May all damaged or brought down by the same group of people within the party.
Just drop out of the EU without a deal other than WTO terms.
Or am I missing something? Please explain.0 -
No. Go to Scotland. Play Golf. Go to NATO meeting.Anazina said:
Go to Scotland. Play golf. Go home.RochdalePioneers said:Question - with Her Majesty's Government tearing itself apart and potentially removing the PM in the next day or two, what advise do you give the President if you are a senior White House staffer about whether to come on Thursday?
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So the White paper will not be the same as the Chequers draft.williamglenn said:
Will it swing to Remain or Leave?0 -
She's just said 'later this week'....williamglenn said:0 -
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An International crisis averted only at the expense of time and treasure...ReggieCide said:It's the y2k bug stupid. It's just been renamed.
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https://twitter.com/mattchorley/status/1016353004650487808?s=21
This poll is saying that Boris is seen as more unsuited to be PM than Corbyn....0 -
I don't think the German navy can leave port these days, can it? It's broken.Charles said:
The EU U-boats...MTimT said:
This I simply don't understand. Why would the supermarkets run out of food? Would the EU farmers be any less keen to sell to us? If not, then the only impediment to food reaching our supermarkets would be impediments the British government, not the EU, puts in the way. I.e. it would be in the power of HMG to prevent your scenario.rpjs said:
Then they'll be swinging from the lampposts within three days of the supermarkets running out of food.David_Evershed said:
The Ultras don't need a H of C vote.Richard_Nabavi said:
Precisely. As our great and much-lamented former Chancellor wisely said, the golden rule of politics is that you have to be able to count. Where on earth are the ultras going to find 320+ votes in the Commons for a Brexit harder than that Theressa May is aiming for?Nigelb said:
And probably will not be able to rely on votes from across the floor as May has.JosiasJessop said:
As I said in the last reply, that was hardly the start of it, was it? Though it may be the end.GIN1138 said:
Disloyalty?JosiasJessop said:I hope whichever leaver becomes PM (and I reckon it will be a leaver) gets the same shitty 'loyalty' they've shown May. It's all they deserve; some of them have helped bring down three Conservative PMs over Europe.
The disloyal cannot expect loyalty.
And where does this all end up? A Corbyn government ...
Theresa May was threatening her Cabinet with humiliation in order to force them to agree to her deal on Friday...
I said it wouldn't end well for her.
A leaver PM is going to have awful troubles within the party - and they'll deserve it, too. I'm quite looking forward to it. Major, Cameron and May all damaged or brought down by the same group of people within the party.
Just drop out of the EU without a deal other than WTO terms.
Or am I missing something? Please explain.
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Well, it would alienate two groups of Conservative voters: rural voters who are dependent on agriculture, and those in places like Richmond-upon-Thames who care deeply about animal welfare. The biggest winners would be the urban poor, who probably wouldn't vote Conservative in thanks.Xenon said:
Is there not any way around this at all? Wouldn't the benefit of trading with the US outweigh fixing this problem?rcs1000 said:
That's not the reason.
The price for a UK-US FTA is unfettered access to the UK for US agricultural products. Because UK meat requires significantly higher levels of animal welfare than the US, its cost of production is much, much higher. British farmers cannot both produce under current standards, and compete with US produce.
We can lower animal welfare standards to allow UK farmers to compete, or we can choose not to have an FTA with the US. What we cannot do is have a situation where we hobble our farmers and drive them out of business.0 -
"The first big psychological study of Brexit voters has found that people who voted Leave in the 2016 UK referendum share many personality traits with Trump supporters in the US, and supporters of far-right political parties in Europe. In particular, they were far more likely to have an “authoritarian” personality.
Around a third of people in western societies have authoritarian personalities. This personality type is partly determined by genes, and features a strong desire for order, obedience, conformity, and cohesion within the “in-group” with which the person identifies. Authoritarian personality was the best predictor of support for Donald Trump in the 2016 US election."
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2173681-how-your-personality-predicts-your-attitudes-towards-brexit/?utm_campaign=RSS|NSNS&utm_source=NSNS&utm_medium=RSS&utm_content=news&campaign_id=RSS|NSNS-news0 -
What is the point in this type of polling. Unless you poll only Tory party supporters it makes no senseMarqueeMark said:
Clear what 34% - largely Labour voters - want....CarlottaVance said:0 -
Who gives a toss what Howard Dean thinks?0
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Still, it is a far superior play.JosiasJessop said:
That would be apt. But no, a Midsummer Night Dream. Or, in May's case, a Midsummer's nightmare ...Nigelb said:
Comedy of Errors ?JosiasJessop said:What an evening to be going to the Cambridge Shakespeare Festival and to have run out of mobile data on my phone ...
(I'm too cheap to buy some more.)
And this is fairly apt:
"If this were played upon a stage now, I could condemn it as an improbable fiction...."0 -
Not surprised at all.The_Apocalypse said:https://twitter.com/mattchorley/status/1016353004650487808?s=21
This poll is saying that Boris is seen as more unsuited to be PM than Corbyn....0 -
Who the eff are those 6% ?The_Apocalypse said:https://twitter.com/mattchorley/status/1016353004650487808?s=21
This poll is saying that Boris is seen as more unsuited to be PM than Corbyn....0 -
It's the Conservative members who vote for their leader - not the general public.The_Apocalypse said:https://twitter.com/mattchorley/status/1016353004650487808?s=21
This poll is saying that Boris is seen as more unsuited to be PM than Corbyn....0 -
My dad voted Brexit, his personality is exactly like that (although even he doesn’t like Trump, mind).logical_song said:"The first big psychological study of Brexit voters has found that people who voted Leave in the 2016 UK referendum share many personality traits with Trump supporters in the US, and supporters of far-right political parties in Europe. In particular, they were far more likely to have an “authoritarian” personality.
Around a third of people in western societies have authoritarian personalities. This personality type is partly determined by genes, and features a strong desire for order, obedience, conformity, and cohesion within the “in-group” with which the person identifies. Authoritarian personality was the best predictor of support for Donald Trump in the 2016 US election."
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2173681-how-your-personality-predicts-your-attitudes-towards-brexit/?utm_campaign=RSS|NSNS&utm_source=NSNS&utm_medium=RSS&utm_content=news&campaign_id=RSS|NSNS-news0 -
time and treasure wasted, 'cos it's back!Scott_P said:
An International crisis averted only at the expense of time and treasure...ReggieCide said:It's the y2k bug stupid. It's just been renamed.
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I always start from the position of wishing a new administration well and initially allowing them the benefit of the doubt as they wrestle with the complex nature of governing a modern liberal democracy.anothernick said:
Jack a man of your experience and sagacity should know by now that the country is not the Tories' priority. What they are really interested in is their own internal psychodrama and the country is just collateral damage. As the former foreign secretary didn't say, their attitude over the past few years has been "f*ck the country." And they are continuing in that vein.JackW said:
And what of the country as the Conservatives navel-gaze for months on end ?!?Big_G_NorthWales said:
If she loses we have a full campaign for a new leader with two candidates eventually being put to the membership. This could take all summerFoxy said:If May wins a leadership challenge, then she gets year. If she loses, does the new leader also get a year, or are they in peril from day one?
We are well past allowing this shower a fair wind. The government is a mess and the Prime Minister has failed the nation. That said we are also treated to a Labour party completely unfit for office "led" by a man who would be out of his depth as Chairman of a small parish council.
The situation is dire and so are the political leaders.0 -
What has May got to offer her party now? She has called an election, fucked up the Manifesto, fucked up the majority, thereby fucking up her authority to deliver Brexit, given the negotiating centre ground to the EU, undermined those she has tasked with delivering Brexit....and if she isn't prised out, will try to stay on and lead the Party into an election that could be much sooner than anyone expects?
Why, if you are a Tory MP, would it not be worth taking the risk of putting someone new at the helm?0 -
Wrong. We were promised “exactly the same benefits”, remember?kjohnw said:
Wrong, we valued our sovereignty and independence and freedom, and we were prepared to accept the short to medium term hit on our economy , for the long term gains brexit would eventually bring once we have managed to unshackle ourselves from the EU prison and make ourselves competitive in the world againBig_G_NorthWales said:
No they are not. Few voted to lose their jobs. You are getting carried away. Hard Brexit is overGIN1138 said:
The Brexiteers are representing 17.4m people who WON the referendum.Big_G_NorthWales said:
A cull of the Brexiteers is neededdixiedean said:
You must admit it is giving a reasonable impression of so doing.Big_G_NorthWales said:
No it is notGIN1138 said:
The government is collapsing.rottenborough said:OMG. Just heard Boris has gone. It's all out war now!
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Y2K had the potential to wreck the entire world. Brexit wrecks only the UK.ReggieCide said:
time and treasure wasted, 'cos it's back!Scott_P said:
An International crisis averted only at the expense of time and treasure...ReggieCide said:It's the y2k bug stupid. It's just been renamed.
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Fireplace salesmen......Nigelb said:
Who the eff are those 6% ?The_Apocalypse said:https://twitter.com/mattchorley/status/1016353004650487808?s=21
This poll is saying that Boris is seen as more unsuited to be PM than Corbyn....0 -
The article is behind a paywall. Whose research is cited? Is it Kahan, or someone else?The_Apocalypse said:
My dad voted Brexit, his personality is exactly like that (although even he doesn’t like Trump, mind).logical_song said:"The first big psychological study of Brexit voters has found that people who voted Leave in the 2016 UK referendum share many personality traits with Trump supporters in the US, and supporters of far-right political parties in Europe. In particular, they were far more likely to have an “authoritarian” personality.
Around a third of people in western societies have authoritarian personalities. This personality type is partly determined by genes, and features a strong desire for order, obedience, conformity, and cohesion within the “in-group” with which the person identifies. Authoritarian personality was the best predictor of support for Donald Trump in the 2016 US election."
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2173681-how-your-personality-predicts-your-attitudes-towards-brexit/?utm_campaign=RSS|NSNS&utm_source=NSNS&utm_medium=RSS&utm_content=news&campaign_id=RSS|NSNS-news0 -
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3 million adults.Nigelb said:
Who the eff are those 6% ?The_Apocalypse said:https://twitter.com/mattchorley/status/1016353004650487808?s=21
This poll is saying that Boris is seen as more unsuited to be PM than Corbyn....0 -
She offers them an insatiable thirst to drink from the poisoned chalice. No-one else has the grim determination to take the blows and still deliver performances like she did today in parliament.MarqueeMark said:What has May got to offer her party now? She has called an election, fucked up the Manifesto, fucked up the majority, thereby fucking up her authority to deliver Brexit, given the negotiating centre ground to the EU, undermined those she has tasked with delivering Brexit....and if she isn't prised out, will try to stay on and lead the Party into an election that could be much sooner than anyone expects?
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So, Johnson has quit as expected then. Good. The only hope for the Tories is they don't pussyfoot around anymore and actually have the knock down internal fight they so sorely need. If there is an election this year they are screwed, but at least if they have a fight and see if one side can win without the other side flouncing off then they may have a few years to try to recover from the rank incompetence of the past year.0
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I'm not sure but I can think of three factors that might hold up incoming goods:MTimT said:
This I simply don't understand. Why would the supermarkets run out of food? Would the EU farmers be any less keen to sell to us? If not, then the only impediment to food reaching our supermarkets would be impediments the British government, not the EU, puts in the way. I.e. it would be in the power of HMG to prevent your scenario.rpjs said:
Then they'll be swinging from the lampposts within three days of the supermarkets running out of food.David_Evershed said:
The Ultras don't need a H of C vote.Richard_Nabavi said:
Precisely. As our great and much-lamented former Chancellor wisely said, the golden rule of politics is that you have to be able to count. Where on earth are the ultras going to find 320+ votes in the Commons for a Brexit harder than that Theressa May is aiming for?Nigelb said:
And probably will not be able to rely on votes from across the floor as May has.JosiasJessop said:
As I said in the last reply, that was hardly the start of it, was it? Though it may be the end.GIN1138 said:
Disloyalty?JosiasJessop said:I hope whichever leaver becomes PM (and I reckon it will be a leaver) gets the same shitty 'loyalty' they've shown May. It's all they deserve; some of them have helped bring down three Conservative PMs over Europe.
The disloyal cannot expect loyalty.
And where does this all end up? A Corbyn government ...
Theresa May was threatening her Cabinet with humiliation in order to force them to agree to her deal on Friday...
I said it wouldn't end well for her.
A leaver PM is going to have awful troubles within the party - and they'll deserve it, too. I'm quite looking forward to it. Major, Cameron and May all damaged or brought down by the same group of people within the party.
Just drop out of the EU without a deal other than WTO terms.
Or am I missing something? Please explain.
1. Goods leaving the EU have to go through export clearance, so the hold up might be at Calais.
2. The same lorries take the imports as the exports so any hold ups on goods entering the EU will knock on to imports to the UK.
3. The UK is obliged under WTO most favoured nation rules to apply the same import controls as on imports from.any country it isn't in a customs union with.0 -
Gavin Williamson’s family and friends!Nigelb said:
Who the eff are those 6% ?The_Apocalypse said:https://twitter.com/mattchorley/status/1016353004650487808?s=21
This poll is saying that Boris is seen as more unsuited to be PM than Corbyn....
Yes, but it matters how any new PM is seen by the public especially if they are the leader they will be going into the next election with.David_Evershed said:
It's the Conservative members who vote for their leader - not the general public.The_Apocalypse said:https://twitter.com/mattchorley/status/1016353004650487808?s=21
This poll is saying that Boris is seen as more unsuited to be PM than Corbyn....0 -
Had he won the referendum it was a fair assumptionThe_Apocalypse said:
But David Cameron said that Ed Miliband would bring a ‘coalition of chaos’ and only he offered competence....AndyJS said:Former Swedish PM:
"Carl Bildt
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Tragic to see how the UK is lost in the post-referendum chaos. This used to be a nation providing leadership to the world. Now it can’t even provide leadership to itself."
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