Javid supported the Chequers plan, wonder what he’ll do now. Boris standing has deterioated in the last two years, I wonder why he thinks he’s going to become PM.
For Boris yes, for May, not yet I suspect - Boris' departure is hardly in the same league as Robin Cook, such damaged goods is he (his method of departure, leaving a conference we're hosting swinging in the wind further such evidence).....nor is he of remotely the same stature as predecessors like Howe or Callaghan....
The sooner Johnson quits the better. his machinations today degrade the office, his country and his party.
He should be sacked. Full stop
Seriously. he may have resigned as FSec, but May could still get him dismissed from the Privy Council for his irresponsibility this morning. Then he'd not be qualified for office again unless readmitted, and has anyone expelled from the PC ever been let back in?
Or possibly he sent his resignation letter early this morning and No 10 have vacillated and not accepted until this afternoon.
With Boris and FS amd TMay as PM, any permutation is possible!
What was that tweet about reaching the kinetic part of the car crash...
And how.
Now quite obvious why May put this off for so long.
Not sure that delaying this moment is helping very much. Just gives us even less time to sort it out.
Well yes but I can see why at any point until the last possible moment (ie now) she didn't want to invoke this.
Not a compliment but an observation. It has been said that May doesn't make a decision and waits for people to shout the loudest before she actually moves (thus meaning that everyone has to shout very loudly). In this instance it seems that the looming deadline was the loudest voice in the room.
On the plus side, is there anyone that Theresa could appoint who wouldn't be an improvement as Foreign Secretary? If she means business, I'd put Tom Tugendhat in - no messing around now.
Great statement by Chuka. My guess is a General election followed by the re-run of the referendum. Followed by Remain with a large majority. Someone just asked if Boris wasn't taking a principled stance!!!!!!!!
This is so right, its either May's deal or No deal
No Deal is better than May's deal.
Don't take our word for it, take May's. Was it not May herself who said "No Deal is better than a bad deal"?
Losing all say in the EU's rules but being forced to take the rules still is the worst of all worlds. It is worse than Remaining, it is worse than Leaving in full. It pleases nobody and is not what anyone sane would ever want as an end state. It is quite patently a bad deal.
Did May mean it or was she just a self-serving vacillating liar when she said that "No Deal is better than a bad deal"?
OMG. Just heard Boris has gone. It's all out war now!
The government is collapsing.
No it is not
How can you be so sure. To lose two cabinet roles in a day and - in all likelihood - face a confidence leadership motion - smells a little bit collapsey.
IF THERE IS A 'LEADERSHIP CHALLENGE', IT IS VIA A VOTE OF NO CONFIDENCE. THERE IS NO OTHER CANDIDATE NEEDED.
IF THE PM WINS, SHE REMAINS PM.
IF SHE LOSES, SHE CANNOT THEN STAND IN THE LEADERSHIP ELECTION.
HOW MANY BLOODY TIMES!?
Capital letters notwithstanding, what kind of support level does May need in the No Confidence Vote to survive ?
Technically, it's 50%+1 but you and I both know that wouldn't be anywhere near enough.
Obitus Sum Me (love the name) reminded me May got 199 in the 2016 ballot and I pointed out Major got 212 in the 1995 ballot (which was 2/3 of the Parliamentary Party).
I think May could survive if a third of the Parliamentary Party didn't support her but not any more - what do YOU think (oh dear, I'm doing the capitals now!)
Expect Brady to announce a Tory leadership election by the end of the day.
Confidence motion comes first I think.
TM has to lose a confidence vote.
Today we are witnessing the end of the Brexiteers. It is either May's way or remain
That's definitely not true. It's the May plan or No deal. If the party puts any kind of remain on a ballot paper we'll be out of power for a generation.
I do despair at the level of debate....old Fat head was banging on about chlorinated chicken as the reason why we can't Brexit / do a deal with America.
There are lots of reasons why there are lots of complications, but this nonsense on chlorinated chicken is just bollocks. When he was called on it, that we already have products that are chlorinated, but he said but the public are resistant to it....well you massive muppet, the public simply won't buy it will they.
On a more/less serious note (depending on your outlook) - I have to say that I'm not really looking forward to helping out in a GE campaign during such hot weather if it comes to that...
I do despair at the level of debate....old Fat head was banging on about chlorinated chicken as the reason why we can't Brexit / do a deal with America.
There are lots of reasons why there are lots of complications, but this nonsense on chlorinated chicken is just bollocks. When he was called on it, that we already have products that are chlorinated, but he said but the public are resistant to it....well you massive muppet, the public simply won't buy it will they.
We coat our kids in chlorine everytime they go swimming. Not sure why it's any worse for chicken?
OMG. Just heard Boris has gone. It's all out war now!
The government is collapsing.
No it is not
You must admit it is giving a reasonable impression of so doing.
A cull of the Brexiteers is needed
If that's your attitude then why bother leaving? We're still going to follow the EU's rules under May's plan so why not Remain and at least have a say in what they are? That would cull the Brexiteers too.
What purpose does leaving but regaining no control serve?
This is so right, its either May's deal or No deal
No Deal is better than May's deal.
Don't take our word for it, take May's. Was it not May herself who said "No Deal is better than a bad deal"?
Losing all say in the EU's rules but being forced to take the rules still is the worst of all worlds. It is worse than Remaining, it is worse than Leaving in full. It pleases nobody and is not what anyone sane would ever want as an end state. It is quite patently a bad deal.
Did May mean it or was she just a self-serving vacillating liar when she said that "No Deal is better than a bad deal"?
It could be that she knows that the EU will never accept anything other than what they want, hence she can say that it is the EUs fault that No Deal that has happened and that she has done all she can
Expect Brady to announce a Tory leadership election by the end of the day.
Confidence motion comes first I think.
TM has to lose a confidence vote.
Today we are witnessing the end of the Brexiteers. It is either May's way or remain
That's definitely not true. It's the May plan or No deal. If the party puts any kind of remain on a ballot paper we'll be out of power for a generation.
OMG. Just heard Boris has gone. It's all out war now!
The government is collapsing.
No it is not
You must admit it is giving a reasonable impression of so doing.
A cull of the Brexiteers is needed
If that's your attitude then why bother leaving? We're still going to follow the EU's rules under May's plan so why not Remain and at least have a say in what they are? That would cull the Brexiteers too.
What purpose does leaving but regaining no control serve?
I do despair at the level of debate....old Fat head was banging on about chlorinated chicken as the reason why we can't Brexit / do a deal with America.
There are lots of reasons why there are lots of complications, but this nonsense on chlorinated chicken is just bollocks. When he was called on it, that we already have products that are chlorinated, but he said but the public are resistant to it....well you massive muppet, the public simply won't buy it will they.
We coat our kids in chlorine everytime they go swimming. Not sure why it's any worse for chicken?
I believe the claim is that they have to be chlorinated because the quality of meat / animal welfare standards aren't as high as in the EU.
I believe in the power of the market, if people don't want object to eating it, it will have to be clearly labelled where it comes from and so people can simply just not buy it.
I do despair at the level of debate....old Fat head was banging on about chlorinated chicken as the reason why we can't Brexit / do a deal with America.
There are lots of reasons why there are lots of complications, but this nonsense on chlorinated chicken is just bollocks. When he was called on it, that we already have products that are chlorinated, but he said but the public are resistant to it....well you massive muppet, the public simply won't buy it will they.
Chlorinated chicken was just shorthand for highlighting the asymmetric nature of any UK-US FTA and the loss of sovereignty we would face in any FTA with the US.
I do despair at the level of debate....old Fat head was banging on about chlorinated chicken as the reason why we can't Brexit / do a deal with America.
There are lots of reasons why there are lots of complications, but this nonsense on chlorinated chicken is just bollocks. When he was called on it, that we already have products that are chlorinated, but he said but the public are resistant to it....well you massive muppet, the public simply won't buy it will they.
Chlorinated chicken was just shorthand for highlighting the asymmetric nature of any UK-US FTA and the loss of sovereignty we would face in any FTA with the US.
That maybe so, then say it, not bang on about chlorinated chicken.
Expect Brady to announce a Tory leadership election by the end of the day.
Confidence motion comes first I think.
TM has to lose a confidence vote.
Today we are witnessing the end of the Brexiteers. It is either May's way or remain
That's definitely not true. It's the May plan or No deal. If the party puts any kind of remain on a ballot paper we'll be out of power for a generation.
Parliament as a whole may
How? There's no majority in Parliament for a rerun. It would have to be a government sponsored bill and a three line whip to tie the party to it. We'd have to own putting remain back on the agenda, and we'd pay for it. 17.4m people voted to leave, a majority of them our own supporters. I don't know how we could ever campaign if we put remain on a ballot paper, our party would be finished, and rightly so.
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Confidence motion comes first I think.
IF THERE IS A 'LEADERSHIP CHALLENGE', IT IS VIA A VOTE OF NO CONFIDENCE. THERE IS NO OTHER CANDIDATE NEEDED.
IF THE PM WINS, SHE REMAINS PM.
IF SHE LOSES, SHE CANNOT THEN STAND IN THE LEADERSHIP ELECTION.
HOW MANY BLOODY TIMES!?
With Boris and FS amd TMay as PM, any permutation is possible!
Desperate times
Not a compliment but an observation. It has been said that May doesn't make a decision and waits for people to shout the loudest before she actually moves (thus meaning that everyone has to shout very loudly). In this instance it seems that the looming deadline was the loudest voice in the room.
If there aren't sufficient letters in Graham Brody's postbag today then what more will it take?
Today we are witnessing the end of the Brexiteers. It is either May's way or remain
1) Urge the ousting of Mrs May
or
2) Quit politics, heard for years that he's missing the £250k a year gig at the Telegraph.
It's the way he tells 'em....
Because the Tories use a form of quasi-AV to elect their leader.
Don't take our word for it, take May's. Was it not May herself who said "No Deal is better than a bad deal"?
Losing all say in the EU's rules but being forced to take the rules still is the worst of all worlds. It is worse than Remaining, it is worse than Leaving in full. It pleases nobody and is not what anyone sane would ever want as an end state. It is quite patently a bad deal.
Did May mean it or was she just a self-serving vacillating liar when she said that "No Deal is better than a bad deal"?
it's yet another of those numptry oxford grad MPs gone. Now lets get rid of the rest of them.
Technically, it's 50%+1 but you and I both know that wouldn't be anywhere near enough.
Obitus Sum Me (love the name) reminded me May got 199 in the 2016 ballot and I pointed out Major got 212 in the 1995 ballot (which was 2/3 of the Parliamentary Party).
I think May could survive if a third of the Parliamentary Party didn't support her but not any more - what do YOU think (oh dear, I'm doing the capitals now!)
He should do the promised AV thread as penance.
There are lots of reasons why there are lots of complications, but this nonsense on chlorinated chicken is just bollocks. When he was called on it, that we already have products that are chlorinated, but he said but the public are resistant to it....well you massive muppet, the public simply won't buy it will they.
As someone said yesterday none of the actors have a script here
What purpose does leaving but regaining no control serve?
Mrs Weak and Wobbly will be gone before the end of July I predict
Boris to run on 'No Deal' ticket?
Yes please.
Truly, we live in mad times.
https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/1016327365385969665
If only Labour had a decent electable leader...
I believe in the power of the market, if people don't want object to eating it, it will have to be clearly labelled where it comes from and so people can simply just not buy it.
and what will you be using for MPs afterwards ?
https://twitter.com/jennirsl/status/1016325634635780096