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As a conservative I am ashamed by Boris Johnson's recent actions and we are well rid of himdixiedean said:
Is that still open though? Are people hanging on the every word of an appalling FS and his latest bollocks?TheScreamingEagles said:I reckon Boris is going to do one at least one of the following
1) Urge the ousting of Mrs May
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2) Quit politics, heard for years that he's missing the £250k a year gig at the Telegraph.0 -
If that were the case she ought to be doing more to prepare for a backstop of No Deal.currystar said:
It could be that she knows that the EU will never accept anything other than what they want, hence she can say that it is the EUs fault that No Deal that has happened and that she has done all she canPhilip_Thompson said:
No Deal is better than May's deal.currystar said:
This is so right, its either May's deal or No dealScott_P said:
Don't take our word for it, take May's. Was it not May herself who said "No Deal is better than a bad deal"?
Losing all say in the EU's rules but being forced to take the rules still is the worst of all worlds. It is worse than Remaining, it is worse than Leaving in full. It pleases nobody and is not what anyone sane would ever want as an end state. It is quite patently a bad deal.
Did May mean it or was she just a self-serving vacillating liar when she said that "No Deal is better than a bad deal"?0 -
A Miliband electable???AndyJS said:
Where's David Miliband when you need him.MarkHopkins said:Anazina said:The Conservative Party are an utter shambles – a national embarrassment. Please, someone make it stop.
If only Labour had a decent electable leader...0 -
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There has been a lot of "No Deal" chat put about in interviews with Brexiters.. "we could go to WTO with no problems..>". On Pienaar, DP, etc. It is certainly a narrative that is gaining exposure.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/JGForsyth/status/1016326413102800896
Boris to run on 'No Deal' ticket?0 -
Allies of Gove want Gove? Erm?The_Apocalypse said:
Oh bloody hellCarlottaVance said:0 -
Not necessary, they're culling themselves.Big_G_NorthWales said:
A cull of the Brexiteers is neededdixiedean said:
You must admit it is giving a reasonable impression of so doing.Big_G_NorthWales said:
No it is notGIN1138 said:
The government is collapsing.rottenborough said:OMG. Just heard Boris has gone. It's all out war now!
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Only if it is allowed to be labelled, the US wants it not to be.FrancisUrquhart said:
I believe the claim is that they have to be chlorinated because the quality of meat / animal welfare standards aren't as high as in the EU.brendan16 said:
We coat our kids in chlorine everytime they go swimming. Not sure why it's any worse for chicken?FrancisUrquhart said:I do despair at the level of debate....old Fat head was banging on about chlorinated chicken as the reason why we can't Brexit / do a deal with America.
There are lots of reasons why there are lots of complications, but this nonsense on chlorinated chicken is just bollocks. When he was called on it, that we already have products that are chlorinated, but he said but the public are resistant to it....well you massive muppet, the public simply won't buy it will they.
I believe in the power of the market, if people don't want object to eating it, it will have to be clearly labelled where it comes from and so people can simply just not buy it.
Brexite era leaving the sinking ship, but May likely to survive methinks.0 -
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Was thinking more of the idea of Gove as Foreign Secretaryrottenborough said:
Allies of Gove want Gove? Erm?The_Apocalypse said:
Oh bloody hellCarlottaVance said:0 -
Even Ed looks good in current company.oxfordsimon said:
A Miliband electable???AndyJS said:
Where's David Miliband when you need him.MarkHopkins said:Anazina said:The Conservative Party are an utter shambles – a national embarrassment. Please, someone make it stop.
If only Labour had a decent electable leader...0 -
guffawTheScreamingEagles said:
He tried to save it until he was betrayed by the shits/Leavers.Alanbrooke said:
I wonder if future generations get to write an essay on how David Cameron killed the Conservative party ?TheScreamingEagles said:Boris is a shit of the highest order.
he wrecked it,
he turned out to be not very good at being PM,
or at party management
or at negotiating with the EU
or at constitutional reform
really he just sat in the chair and spent his political capital on crap. I mean who talks about Leveson today ?0 -
Yes, Boris's plan now will be to out-Mogg Mogg - he'll wrap himself in tweed, start smoking a curly pipe and sing 'There'll always be an England'. Sadly, that's the only constituency that will still be taking him seriously. It's a terrible decline.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/JGForsyth/status/1016326413102800896
Boris to run on 'No Deal' ticket?0 -
Don't worry, Gavin Williamson is at the despatch box. Everything must be okay.0
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How was he betrayed by Leavers?TheScreamingEagles said:
He tried to save it until he was betrayed by the shits/Leavers.Alanbrooke said:
I wonder if future generations get to write an essay on how David Cameron killed the Conservative party ?TheScreamingEagles said:Boris is a shit of the highest order.
If you give people a choice to Remain or Leave then Leavers are going to back Leave. That's not betraying, its following his wish for people to have a choice.0 -
Brexit is now dead in any meaningful sense. The UK will either withdraw article 50 completely or accept vassal status and stay in all the EU economic structure with no say in the political structure.0
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Do you welcome that?anothernick said:Brexit is now dead in any meaningful sense. The UK will either withdraw article 50 completely or accept vassal status and stay in all the EU economic structure with no say in the political structure.
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Wait for Dave's book.Philip_Thompson said:
How was he betrayed by Leavers?TheScreamingEagles said:
He tried to save it until he was betrayed by the shits/Leavers.Alanbrooke said:
I wonder if future generations get to write an essay on how David Cameron killed the Conservative party ?TheScreamingEagles said:Boris is a shit of the highest order.
If you give people a choice to Remain or Leave then Leavers are going to back Leave. That's not betraying, its following his wish for people to have a choice.0 -
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So the biggest beast in the Brexiteer jungle, the Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson has resigned from the Cabinet and the hard Brexit battalions in the Tory ranks are massing for an all out assault on May and her Great Brexit Fudge led by Generals Boris, Davis and Mogg.
It looks highly likely there will be a confidence vote and it is not now impossible Boris could be PM by the end of the summer. Personally though I think May will scrape a victory in a confidence vote it will be a vote just leaving her on probation until the end of the transition period and no longer0 -
When I last looked at the forecast last week there was thought to be a good chance that the hot weather would come to an end by the start of August.Torby_Fennel said:On a more/less serious note (depending on your outlook) - I have to say that I'm not really looking forward to helping out in a GE campaign during such hot weather if it comes to that...
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'The Strange Death of Tory England'Alanbrooke said:
I wonder if future generations get to write an essay on how David Cameron killed the Conservative party ?TheScreamingEagles said:Boris is a shit of the highest order.
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Your guess on all three points will be wrong.Roger said:Great statement by Chuka. My guess is a General election followed by the re-run of the referendum. Followed by Remain with a large majority. Someone just asked if Boris wasn't taking a principled stance!!!!!!!!
It's the way he tells 'em....
The Conservatives still have a majority with the DUP and neither side has an interest in risking that right now. How does an election come about?
Even if there was an election and Labour won, why would Corbyn agree to a second referendum, and with what questions?
All polling points to two deeply divided camps with a few floaters. Neither side would win by a large majority; either side could win.0 -
Let us see - anything could happenMaxPB said:
How? There's no majority in Parliament for a rerun. It would have to be a government sponsored bill and a three line whip to tie the party to it. We'd have to own putting remain back on the agenda, and we'd pay for it. 17.4m people voted to leave, a majority of them our own supporters. I don't know how we could ever campaign if we put remain on a ballot paper, our party would be finished, and rightly so.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Parliament as a whole mayMaxPB said:
That's definitely not true. It's the May plan or No deal. If the party puts any kind of remain on a ballot paper we'll be out of power for a generation.Big_G_NorthWales said:
TM has to lose a confidence vote.MarkHopkins said:GIN1138 said:Expect Brady to announce a Tory leadership election by the end of the day.
Confidence motion comes first I think.
Today we are witnessing the end of the Brexiteers. It is either May's way or remain
The Foreign Ministers at the West Balkans Conference have been desserted by Johnson and they are furious not least because Johnson arranged it.
He has shamed our Country and needs to leave Parliament altogether0 -
Fair play to Davis and Boris, at least a couple of the Brexiteers has some balls.
May’s toast. What finished her is the bloody difficult woman tag. I lived through the seventies and eighties, and she ain’t no Maggie Thatcher. May is nothing. The embarrassing way she and her team have tried to,spin her as tough leader over the weekend just brings home to everyone of her MPs that she is not PM materiel, hasn’t been from the moment she got the job. When did she demonstrate any command of detail? Three key elections in three years, what campaigning immpression did she leave on them? What are her core beliefs she returns to to avoid just blowing in the wind on a day to day basis? If you are going to be a bloody difficult woman you have to be bloody good at it, tell a minister they are moving in a reshuffle they move, not tell you otherwise and stay put. You have to Turn up to leader debates and tough grillings, and stamp yourself and your policy on it. If you don’t lead like that, you are not leading at all. Her ministers are unsackable becuase she’s too weak to sack or even control them now.
Whatever their persuasion on Brexit, whatever wing of the party they are from, this week the tory MPs will vote on the fact this government needs to negoatiate robustly with the EU now, strong on detail and sense of direction, which they all know they won’t get if May and her Turd Way fudge limps on. For the nations sake They cannot vote negatively this time just to block someone else, they need to crown a PM whose grasp of detail and leadership skills are priministerial standard.0 -
As a non-Conservative I agree. Lazy, ill-informed and undiplomatic. An embarassment to the nation.Big_G_NorthWales said:
As a conservative I am ashamed by Boris Johnson's recent actions and we are well rid of himdixiedean said:
Is that still open though? Are people hanging on the every word of an appalling FS and his latest bollocks?TheScreamingEagles said:I reckon Boris is going to do one at least one of the following
1) Urge the ousting of Mrs May
or
2) Quit politics, heard for years that he's missing the £250k a year gig at the Telegraph.0 -
your problem is you assume we had a say - the infamous influence.anothernick said:Brexit is now dead in any meaningful sense. The UK will either withdraw article 50 completely or accept vassal status and stay in all the EU economic structure with no say in the political structure.
- most of the voters just laugh at the concept.
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He can hardly complain since he wasn't at a conference the UK was hosting with him as host - 'Where's Boris'?Scott_P said:0 -
I agree with your assessment. She'd need to keep opposition to double figures.stodge said:
Capital letters notwithstanding, what kind of support level does May need in the No Confidence Vote to survive ?david_herdson said:NO-ONE CAN STAND AGAINST THE PM. IT IS NOT 1990.
IF THERE IS A 'LEADERSHIP CHALLENGE', IT IS VIA A VOTE OF NO CONFIDENCE. THERE IS NO OTHER CANDIDATE NEEDED.
IF THE PM WINS, SHE REMAINS PM.
IF SHE LOSES, SHE CANNOT THEN STAND IN THE LEADERSHIP ELECTION.
HOW MANY BLOODY TIMES!?
Technically, it's 50%+1 but you and I both know that wouldn't be anywhere near enough.
Obitus Sum Me (love the name) reminded me May got 199 in the 2016 ballot and I pointed out Major got 212 in the 1995 ballot (which was 2/3 of the Parliamentary Party).
I think May could survive if a third of the Parliamentary Party didn't support her but not any more - what do YOU think (oh dear, I'm doing the capitals now!)0 -
Lets say that actually occurred, and British meat is labelled with the red tractor...and then the public who care about it, buy red tractor labelled meat (as many people already do for that exact reason).Foxy said:
Only if it is allowed to be labelled, the US wants it not to be.FrancisUrquhart said:
I believe the claim is that they have to be chlorinated because the quality of meat / animal welfare standards aren't as high as in the EU.brendan16 said:
We coat our kids in chlorine everytime they go swimming. Not sure why it's any worse for chicken?FrancisUrquhart said:I do despair at the level of debate....old Fat head was banging on about chlorinated chicken as the reason why we can't Brexit / do a deal with America.
There are lots of reasons why there are lots of complications, but this nonsense on chlorinated chicken is just bollocks. When he was called on it, that we already have products that are chlorinated, but he said but the public are resistant to it....well you massive muppet, the public simply won't buy it will they.
I believe in the power of the market, if people don't want object to eating it, it will have to be clearly labelled where it comes from and so people can simply just not buy it.
Brexite era leaving the sinking ship, but May likely to survive methinks.
My point was, in the grand scheme of things, where FTA are massively complex and huge amounts of negotiations, Boulton banging on about chlorinated chicken as an absolute killer reason why it couldn't possibly do a FTA with US or anywhere else is just nonsense.0 -
It's always about the Tory party with some on here,I am beginning to think this party should die off.Big_G_NorthWales said:
As a conservative I am ashamed by Boris Johnson's recent actions and we are well rid of himdixiedean said:
Is that still open though? Are people hanging on the every word of an appalling FS and his latest bollocks?TheScreamingEagles said:I reckon Boris is going to do one at least one of the following
1) Urge the ousting of Mrs May
or
2) Quit politics, heard for years that he's missing the £250k a year gig at the Telegraph.0 -
So it all turns now on how opportunistic Corbyn will be.
He has it in his hands, with not impossible turns of events, to form the next government but will he betray his long-held principles?0 -
Aliases of Michael Gove etcCarlottaVance said:0 -
Corbyn is (1) in opposition; (2) in a party where power ultimately relies on membership support, not MP support.NickPalmer said:
Quite so. If Corbyn can see off over half the PLP, May can shrug off Boris.Pulpstar said:May needs to show her inner Corbyn :>
May is not.0 -
An adult needs to phone Brussels and mutually agree that A50 clock is suspended.
Perhaps the Queen could have a quiet word?0 -
Lol, you wish. If anything we're marching to no deal brexit by the minute. The clock is still running and the crew are abandoning ship because the captain has spotted an iceberg and changed direction to aim directly for it.anothernick said:Brexit is now dead in any meaningful sense. The UK will either withdraw article 50 completely or accept vassal status and stay in all the EU economic structure with no say in the political structure.
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She looks quite relaxed. Monkey off her back?0
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Just got back from a weekend away with no internet connection. Did I miss anything?0
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MPs openly laughing at May in Commons now.0
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You wish, polls are virtually identical on Brexit to where they were pre referendum and 2/3 of Westminster constituencies voted LeaveRoger said:Great statement by Chuka. My guess is a General election followed by the re-run of the referendum. Followed by Remain with a large majority. Someone just asked if Boris wasn't taking a principled stance!!!!!!!!
It's the way he tells 'em....0 -
somebody had to type that for Jess Philips, some of those words have more than two syllablesPulpstar said:0 -
Just the usual from this government.Danny565 said:Just got back from a weekend away with no internet connection. Did I miss anything?
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You missed our in-depth analysis of Love Island last night, other than that, not much else.Danny565 said:Just got back from a weekend away with no internet connection. Did I miss anything?
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Mr. 565, yeah, Hamilton and Wolff are very sore losers and made unseemly comments after the British Grand Prix.0
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This is all my fault.
I told Mike I was taking a break from PB during July and I didn't expect much to happen until October.
#NeverTakingAHolidayAgain0 -
Bone idle, irresponsible, self-serving.CarlottaVance said:
He can hardly complain since he wasn't at a conference the UK was hosting with him as host - 'Where's Boris'?Scott_P said:
Has there ever been a worse Foreign Secretary in the modern era?
What an absolute lumpen chump Boris is.
I feel genuinely sorry for Theresa having to deal with these dickheads.0 -
Good!0
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Wishful thinking. How does she 'dump' something she got the cabinet to agree to?rottenborough said:
According to David Davis 'by two to three to one'?0 -
No one will blame Theresa for this. It is just ambition run wild Boris and co make Major's bastards look civilised. After learning the rules from David I can't see May being turfed out. Much more likely Boris and co sink without trace.0
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The UK government is a better one for not having Boris Johnson in it.0
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She must have some pre-agreement with Barnier.
This is too confident.0 -
The Brexiteers are representing 17.4m people who WON the referendum.Big_G_NorthWales said:
A cull of the Brexiteers is neededdixiedean said:
You must admit it is giving a reasonable impression of so doing.Big_G_NorthWales said:
No it is notGIN1138 said:
The government is collapsing.rottenborough said:OMG. Just heard Boris has gone. It's all out war now!
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Is that a spoof account?Theuniondivvie said:We do not deserve such men of principle.
https://twitter.com/ZacGoldsmith/status/10163268673500979200 -
And want the Norway model.GIN1138 said:
The Brexiteers are representing 17.4m people who WON the referendum.Big_G_NorthWales said:
A cull of the Brexiteers is neededdixiedean said:
You must admit it is giving a reasonable impression of so doing.Big_G_NorthWales said:
No it is notGIN1138 said:
The government is collapsing.rottenborough said:OMG. Just heard Boris has gone. It's all out war now!
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"Melanie Phillips
Verified account @MelanieLatest
I’ve said it before: draft Farage. Sack May, give Farage a peerage, make him party leader and PM – at least until UK really does properly leave the EU.
Too fanciful? Desperate times need desperate measures; public faith in democratic process now in danger"0 -
we're heading for soft brexitTOPPING said:She must have some pre-agreement with Barnier.
This is too confident.0 -
Is he serious?Theuniondivvie said:We do not deserve such men of principle.
https://twitter.com/ZacGoldsmith/status/1016326867350097920
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None springs to mind. Ma Beckett may not have been inspiring but was a 'safe pair of hands' and Miliband may not have been as clever as he thought he was (India) - but none come remotely close - heck - even Fox would be an improvement.Anazina said:
Bone idle, irresponsible, self-serving.CarlottaVance said:
He can hardly complain since he wasn't at a conference the UK was hosting with him as host - 'Where's Boris'?Scott_P said:
Has there ever been a worse Foreign Secretary in the modern era?0 -
No they are not. Few voted to lose their jobs. You are getting carried away. Hard Brexit is overGIN1138 said:
The Brexiteers are representing 17.4m people who WON the referendum.Big_G_NorthWales said:
A cull of the Brexiteers is neededdixiedean said:
You must admit it is giving a reasonable impression of so doing.Big_G_NorthWales said:
No it is notGIN1138 said:
The government is collapsing.rottenborough said:OMG. Just heard Boris has gone. It's all out war now!
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Corbyn needs mass deselections first.TOPPING said:So it all turns now on how opportunistic Corbyn will be.
He has it in his hands, with not impossible turns of events, to form the next government but will he betray his long-held principles?
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Do all the PB Brexiters now see how NI is driving substantially all our proposed EU settlement?0
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It is like a breath of fresh airSouthamObserver said:The UK government is a better one for not having Boris Johnson in it.
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Yougov has Mogg beating all comers amongst Tory members, Davidson, Hunt, Gove, Javid, Williamson, Boris, Mourdaunt, Mogg beats them all.
If he wants it and could get to the membership Mogg will be the Tory Corbyn it now seems
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2018/07/09/leave-voting-conservative-party-members-are-starti/0 -
If you're Zac Goldsmith, presumably pretty much anyone you know seems principled by comparison to yourself.The_Apocalypse said:
Is he serious?Theuniondivvie said:We do not deserve such men of principle.
https://twitter.com/ZacGoldsmith/status/10163268673500979200 -
nothing much is happeningTheScreamingEagles said:This is all my fault.
I told Mike I was taking a break from PB during July and I didn't expect much to happen until October.
#NeverTakingAHolidayAgain
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At 6:32am I noted :
"Question for the day : What is larger - The number of Italian governments that have held the UK's accession treaty or the hours left before Boris resigns from the Cabinet ?"
So Boris wins that one. Hopefully his own win for many years to come ....
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I wouldn't trust the polls in a scenario where JRM has a small dovted following and the others will build their constituencies accordinglyHYUFD said:Yougov has Mogg beating all comers amongst Tory members, Davidson, Hunt, Gove, Javid, Williamson, Boris, Mourdaunt, Mogg beats them all.
If he wants it and could get to the membership Mogg will be the Tory Corbyn it now seems
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TM needs credit for her confident manner at the Dispatch Box. When has any PM been under such pressure0
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Four more out.
That's boys in Thailand, not Tory cabinet resignations.0 -
Nobody in the chamber is listening properly to this. Their heads are spinning.0
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NoTOPPING said:Do all the PB Brexiters now see how NI is driving substantially all our proposed EU settlement?
its just a big red herring.0 -
Runners up are Javid and Davidson who beat all opponents bar the Moggster
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O/T
Russian fans to support England after pro-Ukraine utterance by Croatian player.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-cup/2018/07/09/russian-fans-back-england-croatian-stars-glory-ukraine-chant/0 -
Do these resigning minsters, these dim witted MPs, actually understand the real-life consequences of there being no effective arrangement? Is it anything more than a game to them? I hope that their precious virginal sovereignty tastes like ashes.0
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Gone? Loopy? Was that before or after his resignationrcs1000 said:Johnson has gone
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Churchill at various stages during WWII?Big_G_NorthWales said:TM needs credit for her confident manner at the Dispatch Box. When has any PM been under such pressure
John Major shortly after the IRA tried to murder him?0 -
I fear it rather underlines the Maybot tag... unexcitable with good news, unemotional amid turmoil.Big_G_NorthWales said:TM needs credit for her confident manner at the Dispatch Box. When has any PM been under such pressure
She needs to find some fight PDQ if she's thinking of hanging around.
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Wrong, we valued our sovereignty and independence and freedom, and we were prepared to accept the short to medium term hit on our economy , for the long term gains brexit would eventually bring once we have managed to unshackle ourselves from the EU prison and make ourselves competitive in the world againBig_G_NorthWales said:
No they are not. Few voted to lose their jobs. You are getting carried away. Hard Brexit is overGIN1138 said:
The Brexiteers are representing 17.4m people who WON the referendum.Big_G_NorthWales said:
A cull of the Brexiteers is neededdixiedean said:
You must admit it is giving a reasonable impression of so doing.Big_G_NorthWales said:
No it is notGIN1138 said:
The government is collapsing.rottenborough said:OMG. Just heard Boris has gone. It's all out war now!
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Well ironically if May survives today then in a sense like the old saying that "what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger" [not true] today's resignations will put the EU on alert not to keep demanding more. Had Davis etc rolled over this weekend then Barnier would likely have continued demanding more and more, at least someone has finally stood up and said enough is enough.TOPPING said:She must have some pre-agreement with Barnier.
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If that's true and no further changes are made, then it's a fairly good deal. I'd be on board for it. Just hope I don't get shipped out to work in Luxembourg or Tallinn with a few, err, dozen others!TOPPING said:She must have some pre-agreement with Barnier.
This is too confident.0 -
Boris beats Hunt, Williamson and Mourdaunt but loses to Davidson, Mogg, Javid and Gove (but remember this was taken before he resigned and Gove stayed in the Cabinet)0
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That was a awful statement from big G.GIN1138 said:
The Brexiteers are representing 17.4m people who WON the referendum.Big_G_NorthWales said:
A cull of the Brexiteers is neededdixiedean said:
You must admit it is giving a reasonable impression of so doing.Big_G_NorthWales said:
No it is notGIN1138 said:
The government is collapsing.rottenborough said:OMG. Just heard Boris has gone. It's all out war now!
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Nope.Alanbrooke said:
NoTOPPING said:Do all the PB Brexiters now see how NI is driving substantially all our proposed EU settlement?
its just a big red herring.0 -
Dream onkjohnw said:
Wrong, we valued our sovereignty and independence and freedom, and we were prepared to accept the short to medium term hit on our economy , for the long term gains brexit would eventually bring once we have managed to unshackle ourselves from the EU prison and make ourselves competitive in the world againBig_G_NorthWales said:
No they are not. Few voted to lose their jobs. You are getting carried away. Hard Brexit is overGIN1138 said:
The Brexiteers are representing 17.4m people who WON the referendum.Big_G_NorthWales said:
A cull of the Brexiteers is neededdixiedean said:
You must admit it is giving a reasonable impression of so doing.Big_G_NorthWales said:
No it is notGIN1138 said:
The government is collapsing.rottenborough said:OMG. Just heard Boris has gone. It's all out war now!
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May is getting laughed at0
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Boris may actually have called this right. When EU rejects May's third way Chequers garbage, his No Deal might actually look like a viable alternative, at least to many backbenchers.0
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It really isn't.Alanbrooke said:
NoTOPPING said:Do all the PB Brexiters now see how NI is driving substantially all our proposed EU settlement?
its just a big red herring.0 -
She keeps saying "agreed by the Cabinet". Given this morning's resignations she has a different definition of "agreed" to most people...0
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I see it's still us as customs agents.0
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Most captains as they go down with the shipTheScreamingEagles said:
Churchill at various stages during WWII?Big_G_NorthWales said:TM needs credit for her confident manner at the Dispatch Box. When has any PM been under such pressure
John Major shortly after the IRA tried to murder him?0 -
She is getting laughed at a lot.0
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Thatcher shortly after the IRA tried to murder her? [Albeit at Conference not the Dispatch Box]TheScreamingEagles said:
Churchill at various stages during WWII?Big_G_NorthWales said:TM needs credit for her confident manner at the Dispatch Box. When has any PM been under such pressure
John Major shortly after the IRA tried to murder him?0
