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Gnomic!david_herdson said:
One big one. Sooner or later. Later being this month.felix said:The big question now. Is that it or are there more to come.?
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The interesting question is whether Govey in his new guise as party loyalist can stand against Theresa. If he does I fear nightmare scenario. He wins0
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Gove of the FO? Or Lord Hague?0
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Javid supported the Chequers plan, wonder what he’ll do now. Boris standing has deterioated in the last two years, I wonder why he thinks he’s going to become PM.0
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GIN1138 said:
Expect Brady to announce a Tory leadership election by the end of the day.
Confidence motion comes first I think.
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My inner child demands that it be Williamson.TheScreamingEagles said:I reckon Liam Fox will the new Foreign Secretary.
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This is so right, its either May's deal or No dealScott_P said:0 -
OMG. Just heard Boris has gone. It's all out war now!0
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If Boris ever became leader I would resign my membershipRichard_Nabavi said:It's hard to think of anyone with a vote in a leadership contest whose support for Boris won't have been severely diminished in recent weeks.
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Hague for FS. “This is no time for a novice.”0
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NO-ONE CAN STAND AGAINST THE PM. IT IS NOT 1990.Roger said:The interesting question is whether Govey in his new guise as party loyalist can stand against Theresa. If he does I fear nightmare scenario. He wins
IF THERE IS A 'LEADERSHIP CHALLENGE', IT IS VIA A VOTE OF NO CONFIDENCE. THERE IS NO OTHER CANDIDATE NEEDED.
IF THE PM WINS, SHE REMAINS PM.
IF SHE LOSES, SHE CANNOT THEN STAND IN THE LEADERSHIP ELECTION.
HOW MANY BLOODY TIMES!?0 -
Good point!Nigelb said:
Boris ?Richard_Nabavi said:It's hard to think of anyone with a vote in a leadership contest whose support for Boris won't have been severely diminished in recent weeks.
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Peston is not the new Dan Hodges0
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For Boris yes, for May, not yet I suspect - Boris' departure is hardly in the same league as Robin Cook, such damaged goods is he (his method of departure, leaving a conference we're hosting swinging in the wind further such evidence).....nor is he of remotely the same stature as predecessors like Howe or Callaghan....david_herdson said:
Game over for both May and Boris.CarlottaVance said:0 -
The government is collapsing.rottenborough said:OMG. Just heard Boris has gone. It's all out war now!
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Or possibly he sent his resignation letter early this morning and No 10 have vacillated and not accepted until this afternoon.rpjs said:
Seriously. he may have resigned as FSec, but May could still get him dismissed from the Privy Council for his irresponsibility this morning. Then he'd not be qualified for office again unless readmitted, and has anyone expelled from the PC ever been let back in?Big_G_NorthWales said:
He should be sacked. Full stopfelix said:The sooner Johnson quits the better. his machinations today degrade the office, his country and his party.
With Boris and FS amd TMay as PM, any permutation is possible!0 -
Not really. I don't see how May survives this. If she won't go voluntarily then the MPs need to pull the trigger.Richard_Nabavi said:
Gnomic!david_herdson said:
One big one. Sooner or later. Later being this month.felix said:The big question now. Is that it or are there more to come.?
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Thornberry perhaps?
Desperate times0 -
We are all watching the Tour de France right?0
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Well yes but I can see why at any point until the last possible moment (ie now) she didn't want to invoke this.MarkHopkins said:TOPPING said:What was that tweet about reaching the kinetic part of the car crash...
And how.
Now quite obvious why May put this off for so long.
Not sure that delaying this moment is helping very much. Just gives us even less time to sort it out.
Not a compliment but an observation. It has been said that May doesn't make a decision and waits for people to shout the loudest before she actually moves (thus meaning that everyone has to shout very loudly). In this instance it seems that the looming deadline was the loudest voice in the room.0 -
Mike is, well he was when I rang him to break the news.FrancisUrquhart said:We are all watching the Tour de France right?
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Absolutely. She should have gone after the election but was given another chance. Surely enough is enough now.david_herdson said:
Not really. I don't see how May survives this. If she won't go voluntarily then the MPs need to pull the trigger.Richard_Nabavi said:
Gnomic!david_herdson said:
One big one. Sooner or later. Later being this month.felix said:The big question now. Is that it or are there more to come.?
If there aren't sufficient letters in Graham Brody's postbag today then what more will it take?0 -
In theory yes but if she only wins narrowly effectively her position is untenable.david_herdson said:
IF THE PM WINS, SHE REMAINS PM.
IF SHE LOSES, SHE CANNOT THEN STAND IN THE LEADERSHIP ELECTION.0 -
On the plus side, is there anyone that Theresa could appoint who wouldn't be an improvement as Foreign Secretary? If she means business, I'd put Tom Tugendhat in - no messing around now.0
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TM has to lose a confidence vote.MarkHopkins said:GIN1138 said:Expect Brady to announce a Tory leadership election by the end of the day.
Confidence motion comes first I think.
Today we are witnessing the end of the Brexiteers. It is either May's way or remain0 -
Lord Hague is a good choice. Respected. Liked. Knows the job. No reshuffle reqd.0
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Go on T.May. CRUSH THE BREXITEER SABOTEURS.0
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Mogg fav on BF at 5 at moment0
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I reckon Boris is going to do one at least one of the following
1) Urge the ousting of Mrs May
or
2) Quit politics, heard for years that he's missing the £250k a year gig at the Telegraph.0 -
I definitely got this wrong. Luckily DD's resignation warned me to get my book in order, so it is a big defeat on a small market for me0
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No spoilers please - some of us are waiting for the highlights!FrancisUrquhart said:We are all watching the Tour de France right?
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Just wanted to quote this for visibility!david_herdson said:
NO-ONE CAN STAND AGAINST THE PM. IT IS NOT 1990.Roger said:The interesting question is whether Govey in his new guise as party loyalist can stand against Theresa. If he does I fear nightmare scenario. He wins
IF THERE IS A 'LEADERSHIP CHALLENGE', IT IS VIA A VOTE OF NO CONFIDENCE. THERE IS NO OTHER CANDIDATE NEEDED.
IF THE PM WINS, SHE REMAINS PM.
IF SHE LOSES, SHE CANNOT THEN STAND IN THE LEADERSHIP ELECTION.
HOW MANY BLOODY TIMES!?0 -
Mrs May will be addressing the Commons in just over 10 mins.0
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Great statement by Chuka. My guess is a General election followed by the re-run of the referendum. Followed by Remain with a large majority. Someone just asked if Boris wasn't taking a principled stance!!!!!!!!
It's the way he tells 'em....0 -
No it is notGIN1138 said:
The government is collapsing.rottenborough said:OMG. Just heard Boris has gone. It's all out war now!
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Do you all want a thread on AV?
Because the Tories use a form of quasi-AV to elect their leader.0 -
BF had him as 1.02 to leave the cabinet/next out for the past few hours.TheWhiteRabbit said:I definitely got this wrong. Luckily DD's resignation warned me to get my book in order, so it is a big defeat on a small market for me
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Surely he has only gone if he knows there are 48 letters, or will be by this evening.0
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I'm sure he can't wait.TheScreamingEagles said:Mrs May will be addressing the government in just over 10 mins.
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No Deal is better than May's deal.currystar said:
This is so right, its either May's deal or No dealScott_P said:
Don't take our word for it, take May's. Was it not May herself who said "No Deal is better than a bad deal"?
Losing all say in the EU's rules but being forced to take the rules still is the worst of all worlds. It is worse than Remaining, it is worse than Leaving in full. It pleases nobody and is not what anyone sane would ever want as an end state. It is quite patently a bad deal.
Did May mean it or was she just a self-serving vacillating liar when she said that "No Deal is better than a bad deal"?0 -
It looks like it to me.Big_G_NorthWales said:
No it is notGIN1138 said:
The government is collapsing.rottenborough said:OMG. Just heard Boris has gone. It's all out war now!
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Corbyn Way is not RemainBig_G_NorthWales said:
TM has to lose a confidence vote.MarkHopkins said:GIN1138 said:Expect Brady to announce a Tory leadership election by the end of the day.
Confidence motion comes first I think.
Today we are witnessing the end of the Brexiteers. It is either May's way or remain0 -
How can you be so sure. To lose two cabinet roles in a day and - in all likelihood - face a confidence leadership motion - smells a little bit collapsey.Big_G_NorthWales said:
No it is notGIN1138 said:
The government is collapsing.rottenborough said:OMG. Just heard Boris has gone. It's all out war now!
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2) - Causing a by-election the Tories lose.TheScreamingEagles said:I reckon Boris is going to do one at least one of the following
1) Urge the ousting of Mrs May
or
2) Quit politics, heard for years that he's missing the £250k a year gig at the Telegraph.
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You must admit it is giving a reasonable impression of so doing.Big_G_NorthWales said:
No it is notGIN1138 said:
The government is collapsing.rottenborough said:OMG. Just heard Boris has gone. It's all out war now!
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Quite so. If Corbyn can see off over half the PLP, May can shrug off Boris.Pulpstar said:May needs to show her inner Corbyn :>
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Corbyn cares about Corbyn.bigjohnowls said:
Corbyn Way is not RemainBig_G_NorthWales said:
TM has to lose a confidence vote.MarkHopkins said:GIN1138 said:Expect Brady to announce a Tory leadership election by the end of the day.
Confidence motion comes first I think.
Today we are witnessing the end of the Brexiteers. It is either May's way or remain0 -
Boris resigns.0
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Does the Telegraph have that kind of money to pay out these days though?TheScreamingEagles said:I reckon Boris is going to do one at least one of the following
1) Urge the ousting of Mrs May
or
2) Quit politics, heard for years that he's missing the £250k a year gig at the Telegraph.0 -
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who gives a shit ?TheScreamingEagles said:I reckon Boris is going to do one at least one of the following
1) Urge the ousting of Mrs May
or
2) Quit politics, heard for years that he's missing the £250k a year gig at the Telegraph.
it's yet another of those numptry oxford grad MPs gone. Now lets get rid of the rest of them.0 -
Capital letters notwithstanding, what kind of support level does May need in the No Confidence Vote to survive ?david_herdson said:NO-ONE CAN STAND AGAINST THE PM. IT IS NOT 1990.
IF THERE IS A 'LEADERSHIP CHALLENGE', IT IS VIA A VOTE OF NO CONFIDENCE. THERE IS NO OTHER CANDIDATE NEEDED.
IF THE PM WINS, SHE REMAINS PM.
IF SHE LOSES, SHE CANNOT THEN STAND IN THE LEADERSHIP ELECTION.
HOW MANY BLOODY TIMES!?
Technically, it's 50%+1 but you and I both know that wouldn't be anywhere near enough.
Obitus Sum Me (love the name) reminded me May got 199 in the 2016 ballot and I pointed out Major got 212 in the 1995 ballot (which was 2/3 of the Parliamentary Party).
I think May could survive if a third of the Parliamentary Party didn't support her but not any more - what do YOU think (oh dear, I'm doing the capitals now!)
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I'd put a little more water in it, Roger......Roger said:Great statement by Chuka. My guess is a General election followed by the re-run of the referendum. Followed by Remain with a large majority.
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A cull of the Brexiteers is neededdixiedean said:
You must admit it is giving a reasonable impression of so doing.Big_G_NorthWales said:
No it is notGIN1138 said:
The government is collapsing.rottenborough said:OMG. Just heard Boris has gone. It's all out war now!
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+1.NickPalmer said:
Quite so. If Corbyn can see off over half the PLP, May can shrug off Boris.Pulpstar said:May needs to show her inner Corbyn :>
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That's definitely not true. It's the May plan or No deal. If the party puts any kind of remain on a ballot paper we'll be out of power for a generation.Big_G_NorthWales said:
TM has to lose a confidence vote.MarkHopkins said:GIN1138 said:Expect Brady to announce a Tory leadership election by the end of the day.
Confidence motion comes first I think.
Today we are witnessing the end of the Brexiteers. It is either May's way or remain0 -
Boris is a shit of the highest order.0
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Dan Poulter then?TheWhiteRabbit said:Thornberry perhaps?
Desperate times0 -
I do despair at the level of debate....old Fat head was banging on about chlorinated chicken as the reason why we can't Brexit / do a deal with America.
There are lots of reasons why there are lots of complications, but this nonsense on chlorinated chicken is just bollocks. When he was called on it, that we already have products that are chlorinated, but he said but the public are resistant to it....well you massive muppet, the public simply won't buy it will they.0 -
On a more/less serious note (depending on your outlook) - I have to say that I'm not really looking forward to helping out in a GE campaign during such hot weather if it comes to that...
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It's in a state of perpetual collapse. British politics has become a black hole, with Brexit as the event horizon.Razedabode said:
It looks like it to me.Big_G_NorthWales said:
No it is notGIN1138 said:
The government is collapsing.rottenborough said:OMG. Just heard Boris has gone. It's all out war now!
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No, but it might well be EFTA with a small clarification on State Aid.bigjohnowls said:
Corbyn Way is not RemainBig_G_NorthWales said:
TM has to lose a confidence vote.MarkHopkins said:GIN1138 said:Expect Brady to announce a Tory leadership election by the end of the day.
Confidence motion comes first I think.
Today we are witnessing the end of the Brexiteers. It is either May's way or remain0 -
Is that still open though? Are people hanging on the every word of an appalling FS and his latest bollocks?TheScreamingEagles said:I reckon Boris is going to do one at least one of the following
1) Urge the ousting of Mrs May
or
2) Quit politics, heard for years that he's missing the £250k a year gig at the Telegraph.0 -
Stage 1 did a remarkably good physical representation of the current cabinet.FrancisUrquhart said:We are all watching the Tour de France right?
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We coat our kids in chlorine everytime they go swimming. Not sure why it's any worse for chicken?FrancisUrquhart said:I do despair at the level of debate....old Fat head was banging on about chlorinated chicken as the reason why we can't Brexit / do a deal with America.
There are lots of reasons why there are lots of complications, but this nonsense on chlorinated chicken is just bollocks. When he was called on it, that we already have products that are chlorinated, but he said but the public are resistant to it....well you massive muppet, the public simply won't buy it will they.0 -
People who shouldn't be there crashing whilst bystanders cheer? True.david_herdson said:
Stage 1 did a remarkably good physical representation of the current cabinet.FrancisUrquhart said:We are all watching the Tour de France right?
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I think we are.too used to thinking someone has a plan, we just don't know what it is
As someone said yesterday none of the actors have a script here0 -
Love Island is a tremendously popular TV show. Don't underestimate the British public's love of complete shite.dixiedean said:
Is that still open though? Are people hanging on the every word of an appalling FS and his latest bollocks?TheScreamingEagles said:I reckon Boris is going to do one at least one of the following
1) Urge the ousting of Mrs May
or
2) Quit politics, heard for years that he's missing the £250k a year gig at the Telegraph.0 -
If that's your attitude then why bother leaving? We're still going to follow the EU's rules under May's plan so why not Remain and at least have a say in what they are? That would cull the Brexiteers too.Big_G_NorthWales said:
A cull of the Brexiteers is neededdixiedean said:
You must admit it is giving a reasonable impression of so doing.Big_G_NorthWales said:
No it is notGIN1138 said:
The government is collapsing.rottenborough said:OMG. Just heard Boris has gone. It's all out war now!
What purpose does leaving but regaining no control serve?0 -
It could be that she knows that the EU will never accept anything other than what they want, hence she can say that it is the EUs fault that No Deal that has happened and that she has done all she canPhilip_Thompson said:
No Deal is better than May's deal.currystar said:
This is so right, its either May's deal or No dealScott_P said:
Don't take our word for it, take May's. Was it not May herself who said "No Deal is better than a bad deal"?
Losing all say in the EU's rules but being forced to take the rules still is the worst of all worlds. It is worse than Remaining, it is worse than Leaving in full. It pleases nobody and is not what anyone sane would ever want as an end state. It is quite patently a bad deal.
Did May mean it or was she just a self-serving vacillating liar when she said that "No Deal is better than a bad deal"?0 -
Parliament as a whole mayMaxPB said:
That's definitely not true. It's the May plan or No deal. If the party puts any kind of remain on a ballot paper we'll be out of power for a generation.Big_G_NorthWales said:
TM has to lose a confidence vote.MarkHopkins said:GIN1138 said:Expect Brady to announce a Tory leadership election by the end of the day.
Confidence motion comes first I think.
Today we are witnessing the end of the Brexiteers. It is either May's way or remain0 -
He hasn't achieved much except hindering the campaign for the release of the woman in jail in Iran.TheScreamingEagles said:Boris is a shit of the highest order.
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The Conservative Party are an utter shambles – a national embarrassment. Please, someone make it stop.0
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Love Island isn’t shite though....Pulpstar said:
Love Island is a tremendously popular TV show. Don't underestimate the British public's love of complete shite.dixiedean said:
Is that still open though? Are people hanging on the every word of an appalling FS and his latest bollocks?TheScreamingEagles said:I reckon Boris is going to do one at least one of the following
1) Urge the ousting of Mrs May
or
2) Quit politics, heard for years that he's missing the £250k a year gig at the Telegraph.0 -
Corbyn is Strong and Stable though.NickPalmer said:
Quite so. If Corbyn can see off over half the PLP, May can shrug off Boris.Pulpstar said:May needs to show her inner Corbyn :>
Mrs Weak and Wobbly will be gone before the end of July I predict0 -
Ming Campbell: Boris worst Foreign Secretary since 1945.0
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I didn't know that!david_herdson said:
NO-ONE CAN STAND AGAINST THE PM. IT IS NOT 1990.Roger said:The interesting question is whether Govey in his new guise as party loyalist can stand against Theresa. If he does I fear nightmare scenario. He wins
IF THERE IS A 'LEADERSHIP CHALLENGE', IT IS VIA A VOTE OF NO CONFIDENCE. THERE IS NO OTHER CANDIDATE NEEDED.
IF THE PM WINS, SHE REMAINS PM.
IF SHE LOSES, SHE CANNOT THEN STAND IN THE LEADERSHIP ELECTION.
HOW MANY BLOODY TIMES!?0 -
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I am now happy to remain - business comes firstPhilip_Thompson said:
If that's your attitude then why bother leaving? We're still going to follow the EU's rules under May's plan so why not Remain and at least have a say in what they are? That would cull the Brexiteers too.Big_G_NorthWales said:
A cull of the Brexiteers is neededdixiedean said:
You must admit it is giving a reasonable impression of so doing.Big_G_NorthWales said:
No it is notGIN1138 said:
The government is collapsing.rottenborough said:OMG. Just heard Boris has gone. It's all out war now!
What purpose does leaving but regaining no control serve?0 -
Actually you did and yes women in general. Not "some women" but simply "women". That means all women.TOPPING said:
You didn't say all women. You said women.Philip_Thompson said:
Not to women unless you think all women are 'feminists' and only women are 'feminists'.TOPPING said:"Nobody insulted women."
Is what you said. Do you think calling feminists obnoxious bigots was not insulting?
Here's the whole thing for interested fans:
Is that what you are claiming?0 -
Every day without one, I shed a small tear.TheScreamingEagles said:Do you all want a thread on AV?
Yes please.0 -
Boris now in agreement with Nick Clegg.
Truly, we live in mad times.0 -
I wonder if future generations get to write an essay on how David Cameron killed the Conservative party ?TheScreamingEagles said:Boris is a shit of the highest order.
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Anazina said:
The Conservative Party are an utter shambles – a national embarrassment. Please, someone make it stop.
If only Labour had a decent electable leader...
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Friends of Fox and Gove both briefing their man will be FS0
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I believe the claim is that they have to be chlorinated because the quality of meat / animal welfare standards aren't as high as in the EU.brendan16 said:
We coat our kids in chlorine everytime they go swimming. Not sure why it's any worse for chicken?FrancisUrquhart said:I do despair at the level of debate....old Fat head was banging on about chlorinated chicken as the reason why we can't Brexit / do a deal with America.
There are lots of reasons why there are lots of complications, but this nonsense on chlorinated chicken is just bollocks. When he was called on it, that we already have products that are chlorinated, but he said but the public are resistant to it....well you massive muppet, the public simply won't buy it will they.
I believe in the power of the market, if people don't want object to eating it, it will have to be clearly labelled where it comes from and so people can simply just not buy it.0 -
Chlorinated chicken was just shorthand for highlighting the asymmetric nature of any UK-US FTA and the loss of sovereignty we would face in any FTA with the US.FrancisUrquhart said:I do despair at the level of debate....old Fat head was banging on about chlorinated chicken as the reason why we can't Brexit / do a deal with America.
There are lots of reasons why there are lots of complications, but this nonsense on chlorinated chicken is just bollocks. When he was called on it, that we already have products that are chlorinated, but he said but the public are resistant to it....well you massive muppet, the public simply won't buy it will they.0 -
chortleBig_G_NorthWales said:
A cull of the Brexiteers is neededdixiedean said:
You must admit it is giving a reasonable impression of so doing.Big_G_NorthWales said:
No it is notGIN1138 said:
The government is collapsing.rottenborough said:OMG. Just heard Boris has gone. It's all out war now!
and what will you be using for MPs afterwards ?
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That maybe so, then say it, not bang on about chlorinated chicken.JonathanD said:
Chlorinated chicken was just shorthand for highlighting the asymmetric nature of any UK-US FTA and the loss of sovereignty we would face in any FTA with the US.FrancisUrquhart said:I do despair at the level of debate....old Fat head was banging on about chlorinated chicken as the reason why we can't Brexit / do a deal with America.
There are lots of reasons why there are lots of complications, but this nonsense on chlorinated chicken is just bollocks. When he was called on it, that we already have products that are chlorinated, but he said but the public are resistant to it....well you massive muppet, the public simply won't buy it will they.0 -
Oh bloody hellCarlottaVance said:0 -
He tried to save it until he was betrayed by the shits/Leavers.Alanbrooke said:
I wonder if future generations get to write an essay on how David Cameron killed the Conservative party ?TheScreamingEagles said:Boris is a shit of the highest order.
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How? There's no majority in Parliament for a rerun. It would have to be a government sponsored bill and a three line whip to tie the party to it. We'd have to own putting remain back on the agenda, and we'd pay for it. 17.4m people voted to leave, a majority of them our own supporters. I don't know how we could ever campaign if we put remain on a ballot paper, our party would be finished, and rightly so.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Parliament as a whole mayMaxPB said:
That's definitely not true. It's the May plan or No deal. If the party puts any kind of remain on a ballot paper we'll be out of power for a generation.Big_G_NorthWales said:
TM has to lose a confidence vote.MarkHopkins said:GIN1138 said:Expect Brady to announce a Tory leadership election by the end of the day.
Confidence motion comes first I think.
Today we are witnessing the end of the Brexiteers. It is either May's way or remain0 -
Where's David Miliband when you need him.MarkHopkins said:Anazina said:The Conservative Party are an utter shambles – a national embarrassment. Please, someone make it stop.
If only Labour had a decent electable leader...0
