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Awesome.Theuniondivvie said:Some unalloyed good news.
https://twitter.com/johnnyg10/status/10138095760498565120 -
I was reasonably good friends with Nick Bamford at Cambridge. (Albeit haven't seen him since...)JosiasJessop said:
Is that the reason for the works on the A50 just to the west of Uttoxeter?Sandpit said:
https://twitter.com/DanielJHannan/status/1012702482579910656Alanbrooke said:
we bet the farm and lost in 2008, financial services never paid the bills and never willTheScreamingEagles said:
Because the country has bet the farm on the banking, financial services and insurance industry whilst some Leavers, like Patrick Minford, want to destroy British manufacturing. Is a no brainer.Alanbrooke said:
why are a few AIG jobs more important than the GKN butchery Greg Hands is approving?TheScreamingEagles said:
We're more important in the grand scheme of things than metal bashers.
the truth is you don't worry about GKN because it's not your sector. You shit yourelf when its finance. Then stupidlyyou then whinge when voters outside the finance sector vote for their own interest and we end up with Brexit.
And you still haven't answered wny Greg sit on his Hands is approving the asset stripping of one of our oldest businesses, a centre for research and a tax payer.
An anecdote about JCB. Back in the old days, the JCB spares dept was at their main site in Rocester. My school was directly above, and one day my dad asked me to go down in my lunch hour to pick something up. So I went down the hill in my tweed jacket, went to the spares department, and picked up a hydraulic ram for a backactor. After lugging it back up the hill I found it did not fit in my locker, so I had to carry it around to all my classes that afternoon.
Mind you, I also got to go to a few product launches as well. The full laser show and dancing diggers were rather brilliant for a thirteen year old. And I've still got a model 3CX signed by Noel Edmonds ...
(Dubious claim to fame alert)0 -
They did - it was called CETA plus, which is what DD always said should be the solution.Richard_Nabavi said:
Well they are right about that. Perhaps if they'd spent the five years since David Cameron pledged a referendum working up some kind of vaguely coherent alternative plan, they might be better placed to criticise.TheScreamingEagles said:
May's utterly idiotic decision to promise the NI backstop has put paid to that plan. That was not the fault of the Brexiteers. If she had held her nerve the EU would have backed off NI - now they know that if they keep saying no May will surrender and agree to stay in the SM/CU.
May and Robbins (and their chorus of Remainers whining for a Soft Brexit) have doomed this negotiation.0 -
David regularly interacts with Tory members.archer101au said:
Pull your heads in. Nobody 'knows' what thousands of Tory members or MPs will do or think - he has his opinion, I have mine. I think his analysis is incorrect and I have set out why, but his analysis is also logical but from a different point of view.TheScreamingEagles said:
Second time today that David has been told by someone who left the Tory party years ago that he doesn't know much about the Tory party and its membership.Richard_Nabavi said:
Ah, that no doubt explains why you think you know more about how Tory members will behave than David Herdson does.
Despite me telling the other person that David's a constituency chairman.
I think that Brexit will dominate (and destroy) the Tories; not surprisingly he disagrees. I am not sure exactly how David thinks that May can resolve Brexit so it does not become the trigger for leadership carnage, and if that occurs nobody actually knows how it will play out. Perhaps he thinks that May will be able to sell out the country and deliver a Brexit totally at odds with their manifesto and the members will just shrug it off. If so, he might find he is Chairman and the only member left. The Tories biggest weakness is that they think they will last forever.
He's been elected as constituency chairman by the members.
We have a fairly good idea.
There's Leavers on PBers who have said they'd vote for Remainers like Hunt and Javid and would expect them to win.0 -
100% would vote for Javid. He's easily the best candidate.TheScreamingEagles said:
David regularly interacts with Tory members.archer101au said:
Pull your heads in. Nobody 'knows' what thousands of Tory members or MPs will do or think - he has his opinion, I have mine. I think his analysis is incorrect and I have set out why, but his analysis is also logical but from a different point of view.TheScreamingEagles said:
Second time today that David has been told by someone who left the Tory party years ago that he doesn't know much about the Tory party and its membership.Richard_Nabavi said:
Ah, that no doubt explains why you think you know more about how Tory members will behave than David Herdson does.
Despite me telling the other person that David's a constituency chairman.
I think that Brexit will dominate (and destroy) the Tories; not surprisingly he disagrees. I am not sure exactly how David thinks that May can resolve Brexit so it does not become the trigger for leadership carnage, and if that occurs nobody actually knows how it will play out. Perhaps he thinks that May will be able to sell out the country and deliver a Brexit totally at odds with their manifesto and the members will just shrug it off. If so, he might find he is Chairman and the only member left. The Tories biggest weakness is that they think they will last forever.
He's been elected as constituency chairman by the members.
We have a fairly good idea.
There's Leavers on PBers who have said they'd vote for Remainers like Hunt and Javid and would expect them to win.0 -
And there are Tory Leavers like RoyalBlue saying we need a second referendum.TheScreamingEagles said:David regularly interacts with Tory members.
He's been elected as constituency chairman by the members.
We have a fairly good idea.
There's Leavers on PBers who have said they'd vote for Remainers like Hunt and Javid and would expect them to win.0 -
Well we may not have to wait much longer to find out who is right.TheScreamingEagles said:
David regularly interacts with Tory members.archer101au said:
Pull your heads in. Nobody 'knows' what thousands of Tory members or MPs will do or think - he has his opinion, I have mine. I think his analysis is incorrect and I have set out why, but his analysis is also logical but from a different point of view.TheScreamingEagles said:
Second time today that David has been told by someone who left the Tory party years ago that he doesn't know much about the Tory party and its membership.Richard_Nabavi said:
Ah, that no doubt explains why you think you know more about how Tory members will behave than David Herdson does.
Despite me telling the other person that David's a constituency chairman.
I think that Brexit will dominate (and destroy) the Tories; not surprisingly he disagrees. I am not sure exactly how David thinks that May can resolve Brexit so it does not become the trigger for leadership carnage, and if that occurs nobody actually knows how it will play out. Perhaps he thinks that May will be able to sell out the country and deliver a Brexit totally at odds with their manifesto and the members will just shrug it off. If so, he might find he is Chairman and the only member left. The Tories biggest weakness is that they think they will last forever.
He's been elected as constituency chairman by the members.
We have a fairly good idea.
There's Leavers on PBers who have said they'd vote for Remainers like Hunt and Javid and would expect them to win.0 -
Is he really? Er - what does he stand for?MaxPB said:
100% would vote for Javid. He's easily the best candidate.TheScreamingEagles said:
David regularly interacts with Tory members.archer101au said:
Pull your heads in. Nobody 'knows' what thousands of Tory members or MPs will do or think - he has his opinion, I have mine. I think his analysis is incorrect and I have set out why, but his analysis is also logical but from a different point of view.TheScreamingEagles said:
Second time today that David has been told by someone who left the Tory party years ago that he doesn't know much about the Tory party and its membership.Richard_Nabavi said:
Ah, that no doubt explains why you think you know more about how Tory members will behave than David Herdson does.
Despite me telling the other person that David's a constituency chairman.
I think that Brexit will dominate (and destroy) the Tories; not surprisingly he disagrees. I am not sure exactly how David thinks that May can resolve Brexit so it does not become the trigger for leadership carnage, and if that occurs nobody actually knows how it will play out. Perhaps he thinks that May will be able to sell out the country and deliver a Brexit totally at odds with their manifesto and the members will just shrug it off. If so, he might find he is Chairman and the only member left. The Tories biggest weakness is that they think they will last forever.
He's been elected as constituency chairman by the members.
We have a fairly good idea.
There's Leavers on PBers who have said they'd vote for Remainers like Hunt and Javid and would expect them to win.0 -
Does it matter?archer101au said:
Is he really? Er - what does he stand for?MaxPB said:
100% would vote for Javid. He's easily the best candidate.TheScreamingEagles said:
David regularly interacts with Tory members.archer101au said:
Pull your heads in. Nobody 'knows' what thousands of Tory members or MPs will do or think - he has his opinion, I have mine. I think his analysis is incorrect and I have set out why, but his analysis is also logical but from a different point of view.TheScreamingEagles said:
Second time today that David has been told by someone who left the Tory party years ago that he doesn't know much about the Tory party and its membership.Richard_Nabavi said:
Ah, that no doubt explains why you think you know more about how Tory members will behave than David Herdson does.
Despite me telling the other person that David's a constituency chairman.
I think that Brexit will dominate (and destroy) the Tories; not surprisingly he disagrees. I am not sure exactly how David thinks that May can resolve Brexit so it does not become the trigger for leadership carnage, and if that occurs nobody actually knows how it will play out. Perhaps he thinks that May will be able to sell out the country and deliver a Brexit totally at odds with their manifesto and the members will just shrug it off. If so, he might find he is Chairman and the only member left. The Tories biggest weakness is that they think they will last forever.
He's been elected as constituency chairman by the members.
We have a fairly good idea.
There's Leavers on PBers who have said they'd vote for Remainers like Hunt and Javid and would expect them to win.0 -
No, they didn't. There has been zero, literally zero, engagement by the Leave side in the nitty-gritty of car manufacturing, or the aerospace industry, and very little on banking. Unsurprisingly, therefore, the rather late realisation that those are major problems is pushing us into BINO. Some of us did point this out two years before the referendum. I repeatedly said how amazed I was that the Leave side didn't seem interested in forming a plan.archer101au said:
They did - it was called CETA plus, which is what DD always said should be the solution.Richard_Nabavi said:
Well they are right about that. Perhaps if they'd spent the five years since David Cameron pledged a referendum working up some kind of vaguely coherent alternative plan, they might be better placed to criticise.TheScreamingEagles said:
May's utterly idiotic decision to promise the NI backstop has put paid to that plan. That was not the fault of the Brexiteers. If she had held her nerve the EU would have backed off NI - now they know that if they keep saying no May will surrender and agree to stay in the SM/CU.
May and Robbins (and their chorus of Remainers whining for a Soft Brexit) have doomed this negotiation.
Having said that, I agree with you on the NI backstop. It was indeed a big mistake to agree to it, not least because it's a complete distraction from the main issue, which is the actual arrangements we do want to make, not the one we don't.0 -
Who is Nick Bamford. Is he one of Anthony's grandchildren?rcs1000 said:
I was reasonably good friends with Nick Bamford at Cambridge. (Albeit haven't seen him since...)JosiasJessop said:
Is that the reason for the works on the A50 just to the west of Uttoxeter?Sandpit said:
https://twitter.com/DanielJHannan/status/1012702482579910656Alanbrooke said:
we bet the farm and lost in 2008, financial services never paid the bills and never willTheScreamingEagles said:
Because the country has bet the farm on the banking, financial services and insurance industry whilst some Leavers, like Patrick Minford, want to destroy British manufacturing. Is a no brainer.Alanbrooke said:
why are a few AIG jobs more important than the GKN butchery Greg Hands is approving?TheScreamingEagles said:
We're more important in the grand scheme of things than metal bashers.
the truth is you don't worry about GKN because it's not your sector. You shit yourelf when its finance. Then stupidlyyou then whinge when voters outside the finance sector vote for their own interest and we end up with Brexit.
And you still haven't answered wny Greg sit on his Hands is approving the asset stripping of one of our oldest businesses, a centre for research and a tax payer.
An anecdote about JCB. Back in the old days, the JCB spares dept was at their main site in Rocester. My school was directly above, and one day my dad asked me to go down in my lunch hour to pick something up. So I went down the hill in my tweed jacket, went to the spares department, and picked up a hydraulic ram for a backactor. After lugging it back up the hill I found it did not fit in my locker, so I had to carry it around to all my classes that afternoon.
Mind you, I also got to go to a few product launches as well. The full laser show and dancing diggers were rather brilliant for a thirteen year old. And I've still got a model 3CX signed by Noel Edmonds ...
(Dubious claim to fame alert)
It'll be interesting to see what happens to the company when Anthony retires / dies, particularly given the family's historic ability to fall out with itself.0 -
Obviously not to you. I assume you like him 'cos he looks nice on telly.MaxPB said:
Does it matter?archer101au said:
Is he really? Er - what does he stand for?MaxPB said:
100% would vote for Javid. He's easily the best candidate.TheScreamingEagles said:
David regularly interacts with Tory members.archer101au said:
Pull your heads in. Nobody 'knows' what thousands of Tory members or MPs will do or think - he has his opinion, I have mine. I think his analysis is incorrect and I have set out why, but his analysis is also logical but from a different point of view.TheScreamingEagles said:
Second time today that David has been told by someone who left the Tory party years ago that he doesn't know much about the Tory party and its membership.Richard_Nabavi said:
Ah, that no doubt explains why you think you know more about how Tory members will behave than David Herdson does.
Despite me telling the other person that David's a constituency chairman.
I think that Brexit will dominate (and destroy) the Tories; not surprisingly he disagrees. I am not sure exactly how David thinks that May can resolve Brexit so it does not become the trigger for leadership carnage, and if that occurs nobody actually knows how it will play out. Perhaps he thinks that May will be able to sell out the country and deliver a Brexit totally at odds with their manifesto and the members will just shrug it off. If so, he might find he is Chairman and the only member left. The Tories biggest weakness is that they think they will last forever.
He's been elected as constituency chairman by the members.
We have a fairly good idea.
There's Leavers on PBers who have said they'd vote for Remainers like Hunt and Javid and would expect them to win.
Will you ever learn?0 -
Yep, he’d probably get my vote too.MaxPB said:
100% would vote for Javid. He's easily the best candidate.TheScreamingEagles said:
David regularly interacts with Tory members.archer101au said:
Pull your heads in. Nobody 'knows' what thousands of Tory members or MPs will do or think - he has his opinion, I have mine. I think his analysis is incorrect and I have set out why, but his analysis is also logical but from a different point of view.TheScreamingEagles said:
Second time today that David has been told by someone who left the Tory party years ago that he doesn't know much about the Tory party and its membership.Richard_Nabavi said:
Ah, that no doubt explains why you think you know more about how Tory members will behave than David Herdson does.
Despite me telling the other person that David's a constituency chairman.
I think that Brexit will dominate (and destroy) the Tories; not surprisingly he disagrees. I am not sure exactly how David thinks that May can resolve Brexit so it does not become the trigger for leadership carnage, and if that occurs nobody actually knows how it will play out. Perhaps he thinks that May will be able to sell out the country and deliver a Brexit totally at odds with their manifesto and the members will just shrug it off. If so, he might find he is Chairman and the only member left. The Tories biggest weakness is that they think they will last forever.
He's been elected as constituency chairman by the members.
We have a fairly good idea.
There's Leavers on PBers who have said they'd vote for Remainers like Hunt and Javid and would expect them to win.0 -
2 more Conservative Home Tory members next leader poll run off results
Gove beats Hunt 61% to 23%
https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2018/07/next-tory-leader-run-offs-5-gove-61-per-cent-hunt-23-per-cent.html
Javid beats Johnson 59% to 28%
https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2018/07/next-tory-leader-run-offs-4-javid-59-per-cent-johnson-28-per-cent.html
Conservative Home will release their final runoff poll between Gove and Javid tomorrow to confirm which of the 2 really is the favourite to succeed May0 -
How long does it take the AVERAGE import package (from outside the EU) to clear customs?Richard_Nabavi said:
No, they didn't. There has been zero, literally zero, engagement by the Leave side in the nitty-gritty of car manufacturing, or the aerospace industry, and very little on banking. Unsurprisingly, therefore, the rather late realisation that those are major problems is pushing us into BINO. Some of us did point this out two years before the referendum. I repeatedly said how amazed I was that the Leave side didn't seem interested in forming a plan.archer101au said:
They did - it was called CETA plus, which is what DD always said should be the solution.Richard_Nabavi said:
Well they are right about that. Perhaps if they'd spent the five years since David Cameron pledged a referendum working up some kind of vaguely coherent alternative plan, they might be better placed to criticise.TheScreamingEagles said:
May's utterly idiotic decision to promise the NI backstop has put paid to that plan. That was not the fault of the Brexiteers. If she had held her nerve the EU would have backed off NI - now they know that if they keep saying no May will surrender and agree to stay in the SM/CU.
May and Robbins (and their chorus of Remainers whining for a Soft Brexit) have doomed this negotiation.
Having said that, I agree with you on the NI backstop. It was indeed a big mistake to agree to it, not least because it's a complete distraction from the main issue, which is the actual arrangements we do want to make, not the one we don't.
Once you find out the answer to this, you will realise why Leavers had no interest in engaging with your fear campaign about car manufacturing etc.0 -
TBF, finally, the cabinet has been treated as they should be.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Exactly so. No interest in engaging with the problem. QED.archer101au said:
How long does it take the AVERAGE import package (from outside the EU) to clear customs?Richard_Nabavi said:
No, they didn't. There has been zero, literally zero, engagement by the Leave side in the nitty-gritty of car manufacturing, or the aerospace industry, and very little on banking. Unsurprisingly, therefore, the rather late realisation that those are major problems is pushing us into BINO. Some of us did point this out two years before the referendum. I repeatedly said how amazed I was that the Leave side didn't seem interested in forming a plan.archer101au said:
They did - it was called CETA plus, which is what DD always said should be the solution.Richard_Nabavi said:
Well they are right about that. Perhaps if they'd spent the five years since David Cameron pledged a referendum working up some kind of vaguely coherent alternative plan, they might be better placed to criticise.TheScreamingEagles said:
May's utterly idiotic decision to promise the NI backstop has put paid to that plan. That was not the fault of the Brexiteers. If she had held her nerve the EU would have backed off NI - now they know that if they keep saying no May will surrender and agree to stay in the SM/CU.
May and Robbins (and their chorus of Remainers whining for a Soft Brexit) have doomed this negotiation.
Having said that, I agree with you on the NI backstop. It was indeed a big mistake to agree to it, not least because it's a complete distraction from the main issue, which is the actual arrangements we do want to make, not the one we don't.
Once you find out the answer to this, you will realise why Leavers had no interest in engaging with your fear campaign about car manufacturing etc.0 -
It's easy to demand leaders face a purity test in order to pursue your nationalist experiment when you're sitting on the other side of the world.archer101au said:
Obviously not to you. I assume you like him 'cos he looks nice on telly.MaxPB said:
Does it matter?archer101au said:
Is he really? Er - what does he stand for?MaxPB said:
100% would vote for Javid. He's easily the best candidate.TheScreamingEagles said:
David regularly interacts with Tory members.archer101au said:
Pull your heads in. Nobody 'knows' what thousands of Tory members or MPs will do or think - he has his opinion, I have mine. I think his analysis is incorrect and I have set out why, but his analysis is also logical but from a different point of view.TheScreamingEagles said:
Second time today that David has been told by someone who left the Tory party years ago that he doesn't know much about the Tory party and its membership.Richard_Nabavi said:
Ah, that no doubt explains why you think you know more about how Tory members will behave than David Herdson does.
Despite me telling the other person that David's a constituency chairman.
I think that Brexit will dominate (and destroy) the Tories; not surprisingly he disagrees. I am not sure exactly how David thinks that May can resolve Brexit so it does not become the trigger for leadership carnage, and if that occurs nobody actually knows how it will play out. Perhaps he thinks that May will be able to sell out the country and deliver a Brexit totally at odds with their manifesto and the members will just shrug it off. If so, he might find he is Chairman and the only member left. The Tories biggest weakness is that they think they will last forever.
He's been elected as constituency chairman by the members.
We have a fairly good idea.
There's Leavers on PBers who have said they'd vote for Remainers like Hunt and Javid and would expect them to win.
Will you ever learn?0 -
He gives us the best chance to win in 2022 and keep Corbyn out. Very little else matters.archer101au said:
Obviously not to you. I assume you like him 'cos he looks nice on telly.MaxPB said:
Does it matter?archer101au said:
Is he really? Er - what does he stand for?MaxPB said:
100% would vote for Javid. He's easily the best candidate.TheScreamingEagles said:
David regularly interacts with Tory members.archer101au said:
Pull your heads in. Nobody 'knows' what thousands of Tory members or MPs will do or think - he has his opinion, I have mine. I think his analysis is incorrect and I have set out why, but his analysis is also logical but from a different point of view.TheScreamingEagles said:
Second time today that David has been told by someone who left the Tory party years ago that he doesn't know much about the Tory party and its membership.Richard_Nabavi said:
Ah, that no doubt explains why you think you know more about how Tory members will behave than David Herdson does.
Despite me telling the other person that David's a constituency chairman.
I think that Brexit will dominate (and destroy) the Tories; not surprisingly he disagrees. I am not sure exactly how David thinks that May can resolve Brexit so it does not become the trigger for leadership carnage, and if that occurs nobody actually knows how it will play out. Perhaps he thinks that May will be able to sell out the country and deliver a Brexit totally at odds with their manifesto and the members will just shrug it off. If so, he might find he is Chairman and the only member left. The Tories biggest weakness is that they think they will last forever.
He's been elected as constituency chairman by the members.
We have a fairly good idea.
There's Leavers on PBers who have said they'd vote for Remainers like Hunt and Javid and would expect them to win.
Will you ever learn?0 -
I would just like them to have some policies. So far none of the people who support Javid have managed to tell me anything that he stands for. You can be sitting where you like, it doesn't change the fact that he doesn't seem to stand for anything. Just like the current leader.williamglenn said:
It's easy to demand leaders face a purity test in order to pursue your nationalist experiment when you're sitting on the other side of the world.archer101au said:
Obviously not to you. I assume you like him 'cos he looks nice on telly.MaxPB said:
Does it matter?archer101au said:
Is he really? Er - what does he stand for?MaxPB said:
100% would vote for Javid. He's easily the best candidate.TheScreamingEagles said:
David regularly interacts with Tory members.archer101au said:
Pull your heads in. Nobody 'knows' what thousands of Tory members or MPs will do or think - he has his opinion, I have mine. I think his analysis is incorrect and I have set out why, but his analysis is also logical but from a different point of view.TheScreamingEagles said:
Second time today that David has been told by someone who left the Tory party years ago that he doesn't know much about the Tory party and its membership.Richard_Nabavi said:
Ah, that no doubt explains why you think you know more about how Tory members will behave than David Herdson does.
Despite me telling the other person that David's a constituency chairman.
I think that Brexit will dominate (and destroy) the Tories; not surprisingly he disagrees. I am not sure exactly how David thinks that May can resolve Brexit so it does not become the trigger for leadership carnage, and if that occurs nobody actually knows how it will play out. Perhaps he thinks that May will be able to sell out the country and deliver a Brexit totally at odds with their manifesto and the members will just shrug it off. If so, he might find he is Chairman and the only member left. The Tories biggest weakness is that they think they will last forever.
He's been elected as constituency chairman by the members.
We have a fairly good idea.
There's Leavers on PBers who have said they'd vote for Remainers like Hunt and Javid and would expect them to win.
Will you ever learn?0 -
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Funnily enough both @archer101au and @Richard_Nabavi agree that commitment to the NI backstop was a mistake. Thus illustrating an unsurprising and surprising lack of knowledge about NI/RoI.
No British PM could have done anything different and the EU knows it. NI is just one of those things that Leave failed to plan for. Not that it is immediately obvious how it could have been planned for. Perhaps a less ambitious Leave means Leave mantra.0 -
Exactly. There is no problem. Countries all over the World manage to clear all their goods through customs without being members of the Single market. Business will easily adapt to slightly different procedures and basically trivial customs delays.Richard_Nabavi said:
Exactly so. No interest in engaging with the problem. QED.archer101au said:
How long does it take the AVERAGE import package (from outside the EU) to clear customs?Richard_Nabavi said:
No, they didn't. There has been zero, literally zero, engagement by the Leave side in the nitty-gritty of car manufacturing, or the aerospace industry, and very little on banking. Unsurprisingly, therefore, the rather late realisation that those are major problems is pushing us into BINO. Some of us did point this out two years before the referendum. I repeatedly said how amazed I was that the Leave side didn't seem interested in forming a plan.archer101au said:
They did - it was called CETA plus, which is what DD always said should be the solution.Richard_Nabavi said:
Well they are right about that. Perhaps if they'd spent the five years since David Cameron pledged a referendum working up some kind of vaguely coherent alternative plan, they might be better placed to criticise.TheScreamingEagles said:
May's utterly idiotic decision to promise the NI backstop has put paid to that plan. That was not the fault of the Brexiteers. If she had held her nerve the EU would have backed off NI - now they know that if they keep saying no May will surrender and agree to stay in the SM/CU.
May and Robbins (and their chorus of Remainers whining for a Soft Brexit) have doomed this negotiation.
Having said that, I agree with you on the NI backstop. It was indeed a big mistake to agree to it, not least because it's a complete distraction from the main issue, which is the actual arrangements we do want to make, not the one we don't.
Once you find out the answer to this, you will realise why Leavers had no interest in engaging with your fear campaign about car manufacturing etc.
If the UK had committed to CETA early, then UK business would have had plenty of time to submit their products for EU certification (pretty easy when they already comply). Once this is done, everything carries on as normal.
There is no problem. Crapping on endlessly about JIT supply chains does not make your point valid. What is unarguable is that all other nations in the World manage to do these things and you simply cannot explain why it is suddenly impossible for the UK to do the same.0 -
Please don’t exaggerate. We need a second referendum if the end state May is proposing for us is continued compliance with all EU rules with no say in their making forever.williamglenn said:
And there are Tory Leavers like RoyalBlue saying we need a second referendum.TheScreamingEagles said:David regularly interacts with Tory members.
He's been elected as constituency chairman by the members.
We have a fairly good idea.
There's Leavers on PBers who have said they'd vote for Remainers like Hunt and Javid and would expect them to win.
I will reluctantly accept not getting our own trade policy OR not ending freedom of movement. Asking the country to accept both makes a mockery of Brexit, but thanks to negligence we are not ready for a no deal outcome.
There are no good choices anymore. Thanks to the idiotic acceptance of the backstop, we are faced with a similarly dismal choice as Denmark in the 1860s; accept excessive influence in our domestic affairs to hold all our territory together, or go for broke and risk losing a chunk of it altogether.0 -
He stands for reducing the size of the state and trusting the individual, he has a good record in business before entering Parliament, he’s amiable and personable, comes across well in interviews rather than sounding like your average politician talking in platitudes, and would be a real challenge for Corbyn to campaign against.archer101au said:
I would just like them to have some policies. So far none of the people who support Javid have managed to tell me anything that he stands for. You can be sitting where you like, it doesn't change the fact that he doesn't seem to stand for anything. Just like the current leader.williamglenn said:
It's easy to demand leaders face a purity test in order to pursue your nationalist experiment when you're sitting on the other side of the world.archer101au said:
Obviously not to you. I assume you like him 'cos he looks nice on telly.MaxPB said:
Does it matter?archer101au said:
Is he really? Er - what does he stand for?MaxPB said:
100% would vote for Javid. He's easily the best candidate.TheScreamingEagles said:
David regularly interacts with Tory members.archer101au said:
Pull your heads in. Nobody 'knows' what thousands of Tory members or MPs will do or think - he has his opinion, I have mine. I think his analysis is incorrect and I have set out why, but his analysis is also logical but from a different point of view.TheScreamingEagles said:
.Richard_Nabavi said:
Ah, that no doubt explains why you think you know more about how Tory members will behave than David Herdson does.
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He's been elected as constituency chairman by the members.
We have a fairly good idea.
There's Leavers on PBers who have said they'd vote for Remainers like Hunt and Javid and would expect them to win.
Will you ever learn?
Oh, and - for a bonus point - quite royally rubbing the noses of the Left in their identity politics bullish!t.
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Duh. It's like Brexiters haven't spotted this all along. It's like back when people on here who thought Dave was going to back Leave.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Rather well? Yes, we beat the pub team of Panama 6-1 but we struggled to beat Tunisia and lost to the footballing and economic giant that is Belgium...MarqueeMark said:
Adonis is the sort of person who won't have registered there is a World Cup on...where England are doing rather well.....rottenborough said:
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The Telegraph had an article over the weekend investigating exactly this. At the container ports a ship pulls into the estuary, they used an example with 10,000 containers on and the computer system took 15mins to decide which ones to be cleared and which ones to be investigated. The ship is then unloaded and if your container is cleared the lorry can take it then. The process is completely electronic. They also were at the Dover and development has been going on for some time on using ANPR and Facial recognition to clear customs or be investigated as the lorry drives past.archer101au said:
How long does it take the AVERAGE import package (from outside the EU) to clear customs?Richard_Nabavi said:
No, they didn't. There has been zero, literally zero, engagement by the Leave side in the nitty-gritty of car manufacturing, or the aerospace industry, and very little on banking. Unsurprisingly, therefore, the rather late realisation that those are major problems is pushing us into BINO. Some of us did point this out two years before the referendum. I repeatedly said how amazed I was that the Leave side didn't seem interested in forming a plan.archer101au said:
They did - it was called CETA plus, which is what DD always said should be the solution.Richard_Nabavi said:
Well they are right about that. Perhaps if they'd spent the five years since David Cameron pledged a referendum working up some kind of vaguely coherent alternative plan, they might be better placed to criticise.TheScreamingEagles said:
May's utterly idiotic decision to promise the NI backstop has put paid to that plan. That was not the fault of the Brexiteers. If she had held her nerve the EU would have backed off NI - now they know that if they keep saying no May will surrender and agree to stay in the SM/CU.
May and Robbins (and their chorus of Remainers whining for a Soft Brexit) have doomed this negotiation.
Having said that, I agree with you on the NI backstop. It was indeed a big mistake to agree to it, not least because it's a complete distraction from the main issue, which is the actual arrangements we do want to make, not the one we don't.
Once you find out the answer to this, you will realise why Leavers had no interest in engaging with your fear campaign about car manufacturing etc.
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It most certainly was not one or two bad apples. Pretty much every bank was involved in the LIBOR and FX scandals and nearly all of them in PPI, for instance, as well as some of them having additional scandals of their own. And that's just the ones that are in the public domain. When you add in the others, well, the entire sector was riddled with a culture which had lost sight of what it should be about.TheScreamingEagles said:
Blame Gordon Brown who set up an awful regulatory system.Alanbrooke said:
yes lets ignore the largest ever bail out the country has undertaken and the trillion plus contingent liability dumped on taxpayersTheScreamingEagles said:
onlyAlanbrooke said:
we bet the farm and lost in 2008, financial services never paid the bills and never willTheScreamingEagles said:
Because the country has bet the farm on the banking, financial services and insurance industry whilst some Leavers, like Patrick Minford, want to destroy British manufacturing. Is a no brainer.Alanbrooke said:
why are a few AIG jobs more important than the GKN butchery Greg Hands is approving?TheScreamingEagles said:
We're more important in the grand scheme of things than metal bashers.
the truth is you don't worry about GKN because it's not your sector. You shit yourelf when its finance. Then stupidlyyou then whinge when voters outside the finance sector vote for their own interest and we end up with Brexit.
And you still haven't answered wny Greg sit on his Hands is approving the asset stripping of one of our oldest businesses, a centre for research and a tax payer.
I don't know enough about the GKN situation to comment, so unlike some PBers I'm not going to pass myself as an expert in something I'm not.
I do know that the financial services sector is the largest contributor to the Exchequer, if we flee then the country's got a major problem.
take away all the costs and any business looks good
It was only one or two bad apples.
I'd have let them fail.0 -
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