"With hopes fading of a bespoke wider agreement, senior government sources say ministers are broadly being asked to choose between an intimate, Norway-style partnership and a much looser, Canada-style trade deal."
"Davis, who has long favoured what he calls a “Canada plus plus plus” approach – echoing Ottawa’s trade deal with the EU but covering services – has held a series of meetings with May in recent days."
Great. Having been fighting over two options rejected by the EU they have come up with a third. Are the EU going to give us "Canada Plus Plus Plus" in the 6 weeks left? Haven't they been very clear and consistent that we can go swivel if we want to cherry pick?
We can cancel A50 and remain. We can significantly extend A50 and remain. We can leave to EEA. Or there is the cliff edge. The only option offering true freedom is the cliff edge, albiet very brief freedom before we go splat at the bottom.
"With hopes fading of a bespoke wider agreement, senior government sources say ministers are broadly being asked to choose between an intimate, Norway-style partnership and a much looser, Canada-style trade deal."
"Davis, who has long favoured what he calls a “Canada plus plus plus” approach – echoing Ottawa’s trade deal with the EU but covering services – has held a series of meetings with May in recent days."
Great. Having been fighting over two options rejected by the EU they have come up with a third. Are the EU going to give us "Canada Plus Plus Plus" in the 6 weeks left? Haven't they been very clear and consistent that we can go swivel if we want to cherry pick?
We can cancel A50 and remain. We can significantly extend A50 and remain. We can leave to EEA. Or there is the cliff edge. The only option offering true freedom is the cliff edge, albiet very brief freedom before we go splat at the bottom.
We can’t cancel Article 50 unilaterally.
I did warn you about all of this before you voted Leave.
O/t but Froome is, according the the BBC, back in the Tour. Says 'The World Anti-Doping Agency, who worked closely with the UCI, has accepted there was no breach and recommended the case is dropped.” https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/44679483
Wow. A tweet from Banks that isn’t pushing a far/alt right anti-Semitic meme/fake news.
A dilemma for Soros, sue the baggy boxers of the attention seeking, narcissist wee twat & give him the attention he craves, or ignore him like the pimple on the arse of humanity that Banks is. The latter I'd guess.
As always, the key question isn't who but when. If there's a leadership election this month, Sajid Javid looks great value. If there's not going to be one till 2022, not so much.
For what it's worth, I think Theresa May has been greatly strengthened by Jacob Rees-Mogg's intervention today, which seems to have had the effect of rallying Conservative loyalist MPs around her. She's quite capable of squandering that goodwill but for now she looks fairly safe.
So I will be looking for the Sajid Javid price to shorten still further - perhaps as far as 4 - then lay him. While he's obviously ambitious, he's not all that. And Home Secretary rivals the Defence Against The Dark Arts post for unwanted turnover.
Wow. A tweet from Banks that isn’t pushing a far/alt right anti-Semitic meme/fake news.
A dilemma for Soros, sue the baggy boxers of the attention seeking, narcissist wee twat & give him the attention he craves, or ignore him like the pimple on the arse of humanity that Banks is. The latter I'd guess.
I had the misfortune to read some of the replies under that tweet.
There’s going to be some disappointed Trumpers when they realise Trump’s daughter married a Jew.
Whilst JRM has been overrated for months and never had a snowball's chance of the leadership from outside the Cabinet, this is not new. Is the backlash sign of a new Number 10 spin team flexing its muscles?
Whilst JRM has been overrated for months and never had a snowball's chance of the leadership from outside the Cabinet, this is not new. Is the backlash sign of a new Number 10 spin team flexing its muscles?
JRM’s united about 80% of Tory MPs against him this morning.
Whilst JRM has been overrated for months and never had a snowball's chance of the leadership from outside the Cabinet, this is not new. Is the backlash sign of a new Number 10 spin team flexing its muscles?
JRM’s united about 80% of Tory MPs against him this morning.
No Number 10 spin behind this.
JRM is certainly looking like an empty bag. The more sensible adults are seemingly starting to take control.
"With hopes fading of a bespoke wider agreement, senior government sources say ministers are broadly being asked to choose between an intimate, Norway-style partnership and a much looser, Canada-style trade deal."
"Davis, who has long favoured what he calls a “Canada plus plus plus” approach – echoing Ottawa’s trade deal with the EU but covering services – has held a series of meetings with May in recent days."
Great. Having been fighting over two options rejected by the EU they have come up with a third. Are the EU going to give us "Canada Plus Plus Plus" in the 6 weeks left? Haven't they been very clear and consistent that we can go swivel if we want to cherry pick?
We can cancel A50 and remain. We can significantly extend A50 and remain. We can leave to EEA. Or there is the cliff edge. The only option offering true freedom is the cliff edge, albiet very brief freedom before we go splat at the bottom.
We can’t cancel Article 50 unilaterally.
I did warn you about all of this before you voted Leave.
And before TMay invoked A50 and started the clock on ourselves - tactically naive, at best...
Looks like Mexico are joining the league of international populists. I wonder how Trump will react to the new Mexican president and vice versa. I think it could be quite positive.
O/t but Froome is, according the the BBC, back in the Tour. Says 'The World Anti-Doping Agency, who worked closely with the UCI, has accepted there was no breach and recommended the case is dropped.” https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/44679483
Is anyone watching the Tour any more? Cycling as a sport is in a very bad place, and the authorities seem to be making little to no effort to address their sport’s (lack of) reputation with the public.
O/t but Froome is, according the the BBC, back in the Tour. Says 'The World Anti-Doping Agency, who worked closely with the UCI, has accepted there was no breach and recommended the case is dropped.” https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/44679483
Is anyone watching the Tour any more? Cycling as a sport is in a very bad place, and the authorities seem to be making little to no effort to address their sport’s (lack of) reputation with the public.
This decision is very much in my interest, as I have £20 on Froome for 5 TDFs at 20-1 placed in 2013 or so.
As always, the key question isn't who but when. If there's a leadership election this month, Sajid Javid looks great value. If there's not going to be one till 2022, not so much.
For what it's worth, I think Theresa May has been greatly strengthened by Jacob Rees-Mogg's intervention today, which seems to have had the effect of rallying Conservative loyalist MPs around her. She's quite capable of squandering that goodwill but for now she looks fairly safe.
So I will be looking for the Sajid Javid price to shorten still further - perhaps as far as 4 - then lay him. While he's obviously ambitious, he's not all that. And Home Secretary rivals the Defence Against The Dark Arts post for unwanted turnover.
For all my antipathy towards JRM he is not a fool and I wonder if today's intervention was not designed to aid T May in an odd sort of way.
As always, the key question isn't who but when. If there's a leadership election this month, Sajid Javid looks great value. If there's not going to be one till 2022, not so much.
For what it's worth, I think Theresa May has been greatly strengthened by Jacob Rees-Mogg's intervention today, which seems to have had the effect of rallying Conservative loyalist MPs around her. She's quite capable of squandering that goodwill but for now she looks fairly safe.
So I will be looking for the Sajid Javid price to shorten still further - perhaps as far as 4 - then lay him. While he's obviously ambitious, he's not all that. And Home Secretary rivals the Defence Against The Dark Arts post for unwanted turnover.
Whilst JRM has been overrated for months and never had a snowball's chance of the leadership from outside the Cabinet, this is not new. Is the backlash sign of a new Number 10 spin team flexing its muscles?
JRM’s united about 80% of Tory MPs against him this morning.
No Number 10 spin behind this.
ERG was always a fringe group so why now? Someone's spinning this backlash from MPs who'd have opposed Mogg anyway.
O/t but Froome is, according the the BBC, back in the Tour. Says 'The World Anti-Doping Agency, who worked closely with the UCI, has accepted there was no breach and recommended the case is dropped.” https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/44679483
Is anyone watching the Tour any more? Cycling as a sport is in a very bad place, and the authorities seem to be making little to no effort to address their sport’s (lack of) reputation with the public.
Fernando Gaviria is a decent bet for the maillot vert at 4/1. QST have the best lead out train in the game with the "Wolfpack".
O/t but Froome is, according the the BBC, back in the Tour. Says 'The World Anti-Doping Agency, who worked closely with the UCI, has accepted there was no breach and recommended the case is dropped.” https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/44679483
Is anyone watching the Tour any more? Cycling as a sport is in a very bad place, and the authorities seem to be making little to no effort to address their sport’s (lack of) reputation with the public.
This decision is very much in my interest, as I have £20 on Froome for 5 TDFs at 20-1 placed in 2013 or so.
Whilst JRM has been overrated for months and never had a snowball's chance of the leadership from outside the Cabinet, this is not new. Is the backlash sign of a new Number 10 spin team flexing its muscles?
JRM’s united about 80% of Tory MPs against him this morning.
No Number 10 spin behind this.
ERG was always a fringe group so why now? Someone's spinning this backlash from MPs who'd have opposed Mogg anyway.
To put them back in their box before Mrs May goes for the Norway option.
Whilst JRM has been overrated for months and never had a snowball's chance of the leadership from outside the Cabinet, this is not new. Is the backlash sign of a new Number 10 spin team flexing its muscles?
JRM’s united about 80% of Tory MPs against him this morning.
No Number 10 spin behind this.
ERG was always a fringe group so why now? Someone's spinning this backlash from MPs who'd have opposed Mogg anyway.
If the ERG has any sense - which is a debatable point - it'd No Confidence Mogg and get a new chairman. It's not just about what you say but how you say it, and his article has given his internal opponents the chance to attack him without attacking his policy stance - but those speaking out against him know that it will be damaged all the same, both by association and because it being drowned out in this row.
If the ERG has any sense - which is a debatable point - it'd No Confidence Mogg and get a new chairman.
Slippery slope.
They can't admit they were wrong about Mogg without admitting the possibility that they might also be wrong about absolutely everything else they ever said
After years of laying favourites in this market, there’s now in Javid and Gove two plausible candidates for next leader of the Conservatives.
Yes, I'd be wary of laying these two, who I could easily see being the options put to the membership if there was a poll this year, which there might be.
Whilst JRM has been overrated for months and never had a snowball's chance of the leadership from outside the Cabinet, this is not new. Is the backlash sign of a new Number 10 spin team flexing its muscles?
JRM is only a pawn in the game.
Others have used him as a pawn sacrifice in order to bring down the Queen.
Existing rights of UK/EU citizens in respective countries to be maintained
Rights guaranteed by the ECJ...
We want the moon on a stick. Brexiteers still surprised we can't get it.
Nope. Rights guaranteed by ECJ only in those countries where the ECJ has jurisdiction. That would not include the UK. Not so much moon on a stick, more you howling at the moon.
So it's your position that something is both utterly forgettable and vital to reflect the vote? Get real.
My position is that memory is fallible. It clearly is, or do you want to deny that? Your position is that people's memory of something that happened months ago is more reliable than what they said at the time. You are the one who needs to get real.
I repeat, your position is that something can be both utterly forgettable and vital to reflect the vote. Absurd.
I repeat, your position is that memory is infallible. It is often the case that people decide X for reason Y then, some time later, forget their main reason (and, indeed, sometimes forget what they decided). I am not saying that something is utterly forgettable and vital to reflect the vote. I am saying that asking people at the time is a far more reliable way of finding out why they voted for X than asking them months later what they remember about the campaign. Do you really want to deny that? Really?
My position is emphatically not that memory is infallible. So, back to your absurdity. Are you yet ready to accept that something utterly forgettable is self-evidently not vital to reflect the vote?
No, I will not accept that it is absurd to say that what people who voted to leave said at the time was their primary reason for voting to leave is "self evidently" not the reason. It clearly is not absurd. There are multiple studies available that were conducted in the immediate aftermath of the referendum showing sovereignty came ahead of immigration in driving the leave vote.
It may be they were lying and their subsequent recall is more accurate. But it is equally likely that they were telling the truth and their subsequent recall is affected by subsequent events. After all, there is plenty of scientific evidence showing how unreliable memory is and how easily it can be manipulated.
I know it doesn't suit your narrative. But you should at least consider the possibility that sovereignty was indeed the main concern of leave voters at the time of the referendum.
Well, I'm still hoping for a deal, since no deal crash Brexit is descend into the public square and force reversal or bring down the government by mass protest time (always assuming they need help imploding). Scendere in piazza is an honourable, democratic tradition - as I'm sure is counter protest.
A deal involving most of the following is where I hope we can be:
- Following of virtually all SM rules on trade and standards, based on mutual recognition - Standstill transition as discussed. - An early deal on post-trasition day 1 participation in critical areas, e.g. Euratom, air traffic - A high level outline on future trade relations pending more talks - we will have to accept that most of the cherries here will be picked by the EU and Ireland, but we can hope to nick a few. Some UK sectors for which Europe would prefer to compete harder will get a rough deal. (Essentially we will be following almost all trade rules for a percentage of access) - Extended Customs transition, duration as needed based on EU accepting one of our customs proposals - No formal SM and an end to automatic FoM - No formal CU at end of extra transition - All ongoing payments transactional for specific participations - ECJ accepted for limited and specific technical participations only
And separately this will give us: - Some freedom to strike trade deals on a 'here are our rules' basis - Separation from the federalising ambitions of some in the EU - The ability to pull some jolly accounting wheeze to fund the NHS
Dear Brexiteer, deliver me something like this, and I solemnly promise not to sabotage your flight of fancy.
So it's your position that something is both utterly forgettable and vital to reflect the vote? Get real.
My position is that memory is fallible. It clearly is, or do you want to deny that? Your position is that people's memory of something that happened months ago is more reliable than what they said at the time. You are the one who needs to get real.
I repeat, your position is that something can be both utterly forgettable and vital to reflect the vote. Absurd.
I repeat, your position is that memory is infallible. It is often the case that people decide X for reason Y then, some time later, forget their main reason (and, indeed, sometimes forget what they decided). I am not saying that something is utterly forgettable and vital to reflect the vote. I am saying that asking people at the time is a far more reliable way of finding out why they voted for X than asking them months later what they remember about the campaign. Do you really want to deny that? Really?
My position is emphatically not that memory is infallible. So, back to your absurdity. Are you yet ready to accept that something utterly forgettable is self-evidently not vital to reflect the vote?
No, I will not accept that it is absurd to say that what people who voted to leave said at the time was their primary reason for voting to leave is "self evidently" not the reason. It clearly is not absurd. There are multiple studies available that were conducted in the immediate aftermath of the referendum showing sovereignty came ahead of immigration in driving the leave vote.
It may be they were lying and their subsequent recall is more accurate. But it is equally likely that they were telling the truth and their subsequent recall is affected by subsequent events. After all, there is plenty of scientific evidence showing how unreliable memory is and how easily it can be manipulated.
I know it doesn't suit your narrative. But you should at least consider the possibility that sovereignty was indeed the main concern of leave voters at the time of the referendum.
He has gone too far and it has backfired, thankfully
A lot depends on what happens next.
I agree JRM isout of the running if a leadership contest takes place before an election, but if May is caught in post by an unexpected election, Mogg could be next leader. In Javid vs Gove, I think Gove would win.
Andrea Leadsom is available best-priced at 22-1 and could be the value on current prices.Many of us have already bought and sold Mogg,Davis and Johnson as back-to-lays.Others have backed Gove,Hunt and Javid at double figure odds. She is a mum with a nice smile but more importantly,has run well in this particular race before and any future prediction is best predicated upon past performance.She made it to the final 2 last time.She's in good form on the speech circuits of the Tory party. Leadsom at 22-1 is too big.She's a player.
Andrea Leadsom is available best-priced at 22-1 and could be the value on current prices.Many of us have already bought and sold Mogg,Davis and Johnson as back-to-lays.Others have backed Gove,Hunt and Javid at double figure odds. She is a mum with a nice smile but more importantly,has run well in this particular race before and any future prediction is best predicated upon past performance.She made it to the final 2 last time.She's in good form on the speech circuits of the Tory party. Leadsom at 22-1 is too big.She's a player.
Does make me wonder how different things might have been had Leadsom not given that interview about her children and her opponents lack of them.
She might well have won the party membership vote. And of course if you had a PM who actually believed in Brexit a whole different approach might have been taken. Cos threatening no deal but making zero preparations for it has been folly and totally undermined the negotiations.
He has gone too far and it has backfired, thankfully
A lot depends on what happens next.
I agree JRM isout of the running if a leadership contest takes place before an election, but if May is caught in post by an unexpected election, Mogg could be next leader. In Javid vs Gove, I think Gove would win.
Hope it is Javid but JRM has gone too far today - lets get on and do a Norway style deal if possible with some fudge on immigration
I think JRM has far better political judgement than you. May is trying to engage in a sell out and he called her out on it. Yes, Tory MPs will get all hysterical because most of them are unprincipled scumbags who don't care about anything other than holding their seats. But, come Saturday, when it is clear that the Chequers summit was a complete farce, reality is going to dawn on the Tory party that they need a new leader who actually has a clue what they want to do.
They say that whoever yields the knife never wears the Crown - expect this is obviously not true (er, Thatcher...). In this case, the Cabinet Brexiteers won't act and if this all comes unravelled (which I think it will) then JRM will be the one who has credibility because he never deviated from his beliefs. Do you honestly think Gove and Javid are going to be credible for sitting on their hands as May engaged in the most inept negotiation of all time?
If the Leavers resign, JRM will not stand, he will back Boris. But if the Leavers stay and the wheels fall off, JRM is calculating that he will be best placed and he may well be right.
Looks like Mexico are joining the league of international populists. I wonder how Trump will react to the new Mexican president and vice versa. I think it could be quite positive.
If Mexico lose to Brazil, the populists might have him gone by breakfast....
Did rather suggest a while ago Boris has no chance of leader
Though more chance than Hunt it seems.
Looks like a Javid v Gove run off with Javid the likely winner
Last week you were telling us Gove would back Boris.
Well Boris polls better with the public, Gove will make a calculation whether it is better to be Chancellor under Boris and beat Corbyn and be in power for years or be PM for a year or two then lose to Corbyn. I think Gove will only run this time if he thinks he can beat Corbyn which the evidence suggests against at present.
Though I think Javid likely gets it either way, he now polls best of the top 4 in the Cabinet plus Mogg with Yougov and now leads with members
Andrea Leadsom is available best-priced at 22-1 and could be the value on current prices.Many of us have already bought and sold Mogg,Davis and Johnson as back-to-lays.Others have backed Gove,Hunt and Javid at double figure odds. She is a mum with a nice smile but more importantly,has run well in this particular race before and any future prediction is best predicated upon past performance.She made it to the final 2 last time.She's in good form on the speech circuits of the Tory party. Leadsom at 22-1 is too big.She's a player.
Does make me wonder how different things might have been had Leadsom not given that interview about her children and her opponents lack of them.
She might well have won the party membership vote. And of course if you had a PM who actually believed in Brexit a whole different approach might have been taken. Cos threatening no deal but making zero preparations for it has been folly and totally undermined the negotiations.
Sunday Times claimed that she was only planning to run if it happens before 2020.
Well, I'm still hoping for a deal, since no deal crash Brexit is descend into the public square and force reversal or bring down the government by mass protest time (always assuming they need help imploding). Scendere in piazza is an honourable, democratic tradition - as I'm sure is counter protest.
A deal involving most of the following is where I hope we can be:
- Following of virtually all SM rules on trade and standards, based on mutual recognition - Standstill transition as discussed. - An early deal on post-trasition day 1 participation in critical areas, e.g. Euratom, air traffic - A high level outline on future trade relations pending more talks - we will have to accept that most of the cherries here will be picked by the EU and Ireland, but we can hope to nick a few. Some UK sectors for which Europe would prefer to compete harder will get a rough deal. (Essentially we will be following almost all trade rules for a percentage of access) - Extended Customs transition, duration as needed based on EU accepting one of our customs proposals - No formal SM and an end to automatic FoM - No formal CU at end of extra transition - All ongoing payments transactional for specific participations - ECJ accepted for limited and specific technical participations only
And separately this will give us: - Some freedom to strike trade deals on a 'here are our rules' basis - Separation from the federalising ambitions of some in the EU - The ability to pull some jolly accounting wheeze to fund the NHS
Dear Brexiteer, deliver me something like this, and I solemnly promise not to sabotage your flight of fancy.
You say you want to follow all rules for a percentage of access, what do you mean every country in the world has access to the SM if the products they make comply with EU standards. Why do you only want a percentage of access?
I said David Davis is so crap a negotiator that he pays full price for a sofa at DFS.
If you threw him in to a barrel of boobs he’d come up sucking his own thumb.
Honestly, this is utterly pathetic. Everyone knows that Olly Robbins, not DD, negotiated the financial settlement. It was a total capitulation as demanded by Theresa May who gave him the instructions not to argue anything with the EU except that we did not have to pay up front so we could make the headline figure look a bit better.
But you Remainers were on here night and day saying that we had to pay the Brexit bill and now you are complaining? But of course you are in love with Robbins, so you pretend that this was down to Davis. Shameful.
Andrea Leadsom is available best-priced at 22-1 and could be the value on current prices.Many of us have already bought and sold Mogg,Davis and Johnson as back-to-lays.Others have backed Gove,Hunt and Javid at double figure odds. She is a mum with a nice smile but more importantly,has run well in this particular race before and any future prediction is best predicated upon past performance.She made it to the final 2 last time.She's in good form on the speech circuits of the Tory party. Leadsom at 22-1 is too big.She's a player.
Massively disagree, Leadsom is amongst those I've laid to zero around this price.
Looks like Mexico are joining the league of international populists. I wonder how Trump will react to the new Mexican president and vice versa. I think it could be quite positive.
If Mexico lose to Brazil, the populists might have him gone by breakfast....
The new Mexican President is also a close friend of Jeremy Corbyn and both share a similar populist left ideology while of course Corbyn's wife is Mexican
I said David Davis is so crap a negotiator that he pays full price for a sofa at DFS.
If you threw him in to a barrel of boobs he’d come up sucking his own thumb.
Honestly, this is utterly pathetic. Everyone knows that Olly Robbins, not DD, negotiated the financial settlement. It was a total capitulation as demanded by Theresa May who gave him the instructions not to argue anything with the EU except that we did not have to pay up front so we could make the headline figure look a bit better.
But you Remainers were on here night and day saying that we had to pay the Brexit bill and now you are complaining? But of course you are in love with Robbins, so you pretend that this was down to Davis. Shameful.
If this were true, then DD should have resigned in protest. If your PM is going to undermine you so completely, then what is the point in being there!?
Well, I'm still hoping for a deal, since no deal crash Brexit is descend into the public square and force reversal or bring down the government by mass protest time (always assuming they need help imploding). Scendere in piazza is an honourable, democratic tradition - as I'm sure is counter protest.
A deal involving most of the following is where I hope we can be:
- Following of virtually all SM rules on trade and standards, based on mutual recognition - Standstill transition as discussed. - An early deal on post-trasition day 1 participation in critical areas, e.g. Euratom, air traffic - A high level outline on future trade relations pending more talks - we will have to accept that most of the cherries here will be picked by the EU and Ireland, but we can hope to nick a few. Some UK sectors for which Europe would prefer to compete harder will get a rough deal. (Essentially we will be following almost all trade rules for a percentage of access) - Extended Customs transition, duration as needed based on EU accepting one of our customs proposals - No formal SM and an end to automatic FoM - No formal CU at end of extra transition - All ongoing payments transactional for specific participations - ECJ accepted for limited and specific technical participations only
And separately this will give us: - Some freedom to strike trade deals on a 'here are our rules' basis - Separation from the federalising ambitions of some in the EU - The ability to pull some jolly accounting wheeze to fund the NHS
Dear Brexiteer, deliver me something like this, and I solemnly promise not to sabotage your flight of fancy.
I said David Davis is so crap a negotiator that he pays full price for a sofa at DFS.
If you threw him in to a barrel of boobs he’d come up sucking his own thumb.
Honestly, this is utterly pathetic. Everyone knows that Olly Robbins, not DD, negotiated the financial settlement. It was a total capitulation as demanded by Theresa May who gave him the instructions not to argue anything with the EU except that we did not have to pay up front so we could make the headline figure look a bit better.
But you Remainers were on here night and day saying that we had to pay the Brexit bill and now you are complaining? But of course you are in love with Robbins, so you pretend that this was down to Davis. Shameful.
If this were true, then DD should have resigned in protest. If your PM is going to undermine you so completely, then what is the point in being there!?
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Would cement my position as Tipster of the Year. Ahem.
From the Grauniad:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/02/may-to-float-third-brexit-customs-model-at-chequers-meeting
"With hopes fading of a bespoke wider agreement, senior government sources say ministers are broadly being asked to choose between an intimate, Norway-style partnership and a much looser, Canada-style trade deal."
"Davis, who has long favoured what he calls a “Canada plus plus plus” approach – echoing Ottawa’s trade deal with the EU but covering services – has held a series of meetings with May in recent days."
Great. Having been fighting over two options rejected by the EU they have come up with a third. Are the EU going to give us "Canada Plus Plus Plus" in the 6 weeks left? Haven't they been very clear and consistent that we can go swivel if we want to cherry pick?
We can cancel A50 and remain. We can significantly extend A50 and remain. We can leave to EEA. Or there is the cliff edge. The only option offering true freedom is the cliff edge, albiet very brief freedom before we go splat at the bottom.
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/07/confirmed-cameron-did-ask-obama-to-say-brexit-britain-would-be-at-the-back-of-the-queue/
I did warn you about all of this before you voted Leave.
If there is a shift towards a Norway style agreement, then this could be seen as a betrayal by those Brexit voters.
I am not sure who those betrayed voters would shift to, maybe not vote?
More importantly, will the UK be an early recipient of a Trump FART?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/44679483
Old Arron's little list is getting bigger.
https://twitter.com/Arron_banks/status/1013710918977572864
https://twitter.com/davidherdson/status/1013713826414497793?s=21
https://twitter.com/davidherdson/status/1013714605707849728?s=21
For what it's worth, I think Theresa May has been greatly strengthened by Jacob Rees-Mogg's intervention today, which seems to have had the effect of rallying Conservative loyalist MPs around her. She's quite capable of squandering that goodwill but for now she looks fairly safe.
So I will be looking for the Sajid Javid price to shorten still further - perhaps as far as 4 - then lay him. While he's obviously ambitious, he's not all that. And Home Secretary rivals the Defence Against The Dark Arts post for unwanted turnover.
There’s going to be some disappointed Trumpers when they realise Trump’s daughter married a Jew.
Phew!
No Number 10 spin behind this.
Does she not know that in North London, North is spelt Norf?
https://twitter.com/nsoames/status/1013711372113178625?s=21
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNqpejPzdIA
at 46 min 30 secs
A free trade deal on goods and services between the UK and EU
Out of the single market
Out of the customs union
Independence from the ECJ
Existing rights of UK/EU citizens in respective countries to be maintained
We want the moon on a stick. Brexiteers still surprised we can't get it.
They can't admit they were wrong about Mogg without admitting the possibility that they might also be wrong about absolutely everything else they ever said
Others have used him as a pawn sacrifice in order to bring down the Queen.
It may be they were lying and their subsequent recall is more accurate. But it is equally likely that they were telling the truth and their subsequent recall is affected by subsequent events. After all, there is plenty of scientific evidence showing how unreliable memory is and how easily it can be manipulated.
I know it doesn't suit your narrative. But you should at least consider the possibility that sovereignty was indeed the main concern of leave voters at the time of the referendum.
"Existing rights of UK/EU citizens in respective countries to be maintained "
Rights guaranteed by the ECJ...
A deal involving most of the following is where I hope we can be:
- Following of virtually all SM rules on trade and standards, based on mutual recognition
- Standstill transition as discussed.
- An early deal on post-trasition day 1 participation in critical areas, e.g. Euratom, air traffic
- A high level outline on future trade relations pending more talks - we will have to accept that most of the cherries here will be picked by the EU and Ireland, but we can hope to nick a few. Some UK sectors for which Europe would prefer to compete harder will get a rough deal.
(Essentially we will be following almost all trade rules for a percentage of access)
- Extended Customs transition, duration as needed based on EU accepting one of our customs proposals
- No formal SM and an end to automatic FoM
- No formal CU at end of extra transition
- All ongoing payments transactional for specific participations
- ECJ accepted for limited and specific technical participations only
And separately this will give us:
- Some freedom to strike trade deals on a 'here are our rules' basis
- Separation from the federalising ambitions of some in the EU
- The ability to pull some jolly accounting wheeze to fund the NHS
Dear Brexiteer, deliver me something like this, and I solemnly promise not to sabotage your flight of fancy.
Javid trounces Hunt 62% to 21% with Tory members
https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2018/07/next-tory-leader-run-offs-2-javid-62-per-cent-hunt-21-per-cent.html
Gove comfortably beats Boris 56% to 25%
https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2018/07/next-tory-leader-run-offs-1-gove-56-per-cent-johnson-25-per-cent.html
Boris narrowly beats Hunt 42% to 39%
https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2018/07/next-tory-leader-run-offs-3-johnson-42-per-cent-hunt-39-per-cent.html
Looks like a Javid v Gove run off with Javid the likely winner
I agree JRM isout of the running if a leadership contest takes place before an election, but if May is caught in post by an unexpected election, Mogg could be next leader. In Javid vs Gove, I think Gove would win.
She is a mum with a nice smile but more importantly,has run well in this particular race before and any future prediction is best predicated upon past performance.She made it to the final 2 last time.She's in good form on the speech circuits of the Tory party.
Leadsom at 22-1 is too big.She's a player.
Similar comparisons with the UK withdrawal from the EU and our future world economic ranking is awaited from PBers of a certain REMAIN persuasion ....
#SaveJacob
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Rats in a sack.
She might well have won the party membership vote. And of course if you had a PM who actually believed in Brexit a whole different approach might have been taken. Cos threatening no deal but making zero preparations for it has been folly and totally undermined the negotiations.
But what they should avoid is getting into Twitter spats.
They say that whoever yields the knife never wears the Crown - expect this is obviously not true (er, Thatcher...). In this case, the Cabinet Brexiteers won't act and if this all comes unravelled (which I think it will) then JRM will be the one who has credibility because he never deviated from his beliefs. Do you honestly think Gove and Javid are going to be credible for sitting on their hands as May engaged in the most inept negotiation of all time?
If the Leavers resign, JRM will not stand, he will back Boris. But if the Leavers stay and the wheels fall off, JRM is calculating that he will be best placed and he may well be right.
But Meeks' excellent History of Argentina header certainly covered such ground.
Though I think Javid likely gets it either way, he now polls best of the top 4 in the Cabinet plus Mogg with Yougov and now leads with members
https://twitter.com/mattholehouse/status/1013745740991094784?s=21
Leadsom is a poor person's politician.
Leadsom would have beaten TMay in the 2016 members' vote.
Heaven help us all.
If you threw him in to a barrel of boobs he’d come up sucking his own thumb.
But you Remainers were on here night and day saying that we had to pay the Brexit bill and now you are complaining? But of course you are in love with Robbins, so you pretend that this was down to Davis. Shameful.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/28/roger-stone-aide-robert-mueller-subpoena-682318
The rule of law is wobbling a bit in the US.
https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1013618640061595648
The new Mexican President is also a close friend of Jeremy Corbyn and both share a similar populist left ideology while of course Corbyn's wife is Mexican