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In your eyes but not the majority in the HOC and HOL. Not going to happenarcher101au said:
It is looking like the day that Soft Brexit died. The EU have rejected May's new plans before she even publishes them! What a shambles.Stark_Dawning said:Is today the day that Brexit died? Rees-Mogg's misjudged threats and Boris's foul-mouthed rant against the wealth creators feel like the desperate splutterings of yesterday's men.
CETA should be the outcome, but the forced partition of part of the UK which appears to be demanded should not be acceptable to anyone. No deal is the only sensible and rational approach at this time.0 -
Mr. Pulpstar, there was a small amount maybe a fortnight ago. Not sure about earlier. In the SW, I think it either has recently or will rain soon (thunderstorms). I checked the forecast recently and the full fortnight ahead is dry and sunny.
It won't be doing much for crops or gardens, not to mention lack of relief for the firemen on Saddleworth Moor.0 -
williamglenn said:
twitter.com/SewellTim/status/1013736680031911936MarkHopkins said:archer101au said:
It is looking like the day that Soft Brexit died. The EU have rejected May's new plans before she even publishes them! What a shambles.Stark_Dawning said:Is today the day that Brexit died? Rees-Mogg's misjudged threats and Boris's foul-mouthed rant against the wealth creators feel like the desperate splutterings of yesterday's men.
CETA should be the outcome, but the forced partition of part of the UK which appears to be demanded should not be acceptable to anyone. No deal is the only sensible and rational approach at this time.
This is a summary of the negotiations so far:
UK: Right, I wonder if we should ...
EU: Non.
UK: Well can we ...
EU: Non.
UK: What about the ...
EU: Non.
UK: Surely we can ...
EU: Non.
Boris: I ...
EU: Non. Non. Non.
Mine's more accurate.
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Well I wouldn't be the first on PB to say that the most likely outcome from the muppets supposedly negotiating for the UK is that we end up in Schengen and the Euro!brendan16 said:
What next - we must join the Euro and Schengen? If of course we decided to reverse Article 50 and stay in I presume we would lose the rebate altogether as the price of our humiliation. Is remain as now even an option any more?rpjs said:
“If you want a picture of the future, imagine the UK paying into the EU budget without rebate - forever.”williamglenn said:0 -
Nowt in the top of the east Mids/Southern Yorkshire area. Maybe my memory is deceiving me but genuinely can't remember it this bad. Could do with some soon for our nagsMorris_Dancer said:Mr. Pulpstar, there was a small amount maybe a fortnight ago. Not sure about earlier. In the SW, I think it either has recently or will rain soon (thunderstorms). I checked the forecast recently and the full fortnight ahead is dry and sunny.
It won't be doing much for crops or gardens, not to mention lack of relief for the firemen on Saddleworth Moor.
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The Chequers summit is an ideal opportunity for a Hezza moment. Someone could storm out and theatrically march down the driveway to announce their resignation to the media throng.0
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9) COTD.david_herdson said:
I think you're wrong on most of your main predictions.archer101au said:I understand it just fine. There will only be a contest if May is already dead. In that case, the Leavers will have to get behind one Leave candidate especially if Javid is knocking around, since he will just revert to Remain form if he ever gets elected.
So, if we get to a contest AND none of the Leavers resigned before the end, there is going to be a huge credibility problem for Gove/Johnson etc. IF Mogg stands (and he might not) he is going to have a huge advantage because the other candidates are going to have to spend their whole time being asked why they stuck in May's cabinet and didn't resign when it was obvious she was selling out. Meanwhile JRM will be able to pitch himself as the only man of principle.
Tory MPs (and members) are like children. They like whatever is shiny on the day. They love Javid right now because he looks good on TV and has a nice backstory, but he is also an unprincipled chancer. Gove is undermining himself with his fake loyalty to May.
At the end of the day, I understand how the contest will work - anyone who gets momentum during the contest can win. There will have to be a Leaver in the final two. And right now the Cabinet leavers are killing their chances by refusing to stand up to May.
My prediction is that Boris will resign, wield the knife and win. But JRM is certainly well positioned if there is another scenario.
1. Boris won't resign (not least because May would bend to accommodate him but also because he doesn't have the balls);
2. Whether or not Boris resigns, he won't win: he's too flaky and full of hot air;
3. For all the fuss about Brexit, whoever wins has to lead the Party into the 2022GE (or earlier), which means they have to demonstrate some capacity for the boring bits of highest office;
4. Corbyn remains Labour leader - this is not an election to risk losing, so safe options carry a premium, while JRM is the riskiest choice;
5. JRM probably will not stand but if he does, he will lose - most MPs, even within the ERG will make decisions where Brexit is only one factor;
6. JRM's personal and political actions in non-Brexit areas would be unattractive to the public and easy to run a campaign against;
7. Not resigning from May's cabinet is not necessarily a negative, though Boris/Heathrow is;
8. If someone is going to resign, it'll probably be either Gove or Fox but might be Davis;
9. You say 'unprincipled chancer' like it's a bad thing - this is the Party of Disraeli;
10. JRM is sufficiently out of the mainstream that were he a possible contender for the final round, he'd be the subject of negative voting so as to try to ensure that two other candidates went to the membership - and I don't see him having the 100+ MPs necessary to overcome that.0 -
As an aside, the Tory Party has only been around for 'only' a little over 200 years. It cannot be meaningfully traced back to the Tory Party of Queen Anne and the late Stewarts, as that party died after being frozen out of government and then tainted with Jacobitism.HYUFD said:
The Tory Party has been around for over 300 years, the only way it would end is if it was replaced by or merged with another right of centre partyJonathan said:
The Tory party to end! Hooray.JohnO said:Oh well, for this week at least, it looks as if the bastards of the early 1990s will be the same bastards in July 2018. That can’t be a bad thing in itself. But we all know the happy ending for the Tory party.
Anyway, Theresa, hold on in there gal, at least until the summer recess.
The current incarnation of the Tory / Conservative Party has its genesis in the coalition that Pitt the Younger put together and bequeathed to Perceval, Liverpool and so on (and also in the opposition solidifying into a united Whig Party in parallel). Prior to Pitt, there were simply different groupings of Whigs or Independents.0 -
williamglenn said:
The Chequers summit is an ideal opportunity for a Hezza moment. Someone could storm out and theatrically march down the driveway to announce their resignation to the media throng.
They might have to form a queue...
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Mr. Pulpstar, indeed.0
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David is correct and Brexit will not be the number one. The party have always desired office and the successful leader will bring together the party and as a member Javid gets my vote. Do you have a vote as a matter of interestarcher101au said:
The dynamic is that if there is a leadership contest anytime soon, a Leaver will win. Unless MPs manage to engineer Javid against a Remainer, he will lose against a real Leaver because the members won't trust him.TOPPING said:
Yes but the conclusion you draw is wrong. I think your passion is blinding you to the dynamic at play. He has yet to convince MPs (who I appreciate aren't members) of his europhile credentials and they are wary of supporting him because they fear he might do exactly the opposite of what you suggest, which is to revert to his euroscepticism.archer101au said:
What is there to understand? A lifetime Eurosceptic who completely abandoned his principles and supported Remain because he thought that they would win and it would help advance his political career. Now trying to look like he is a Leaver again because he realises that the Tory members are not going to elect another Remainer. And such bad judgement that he supported Crabb.TOPPING said:
Nor do you understand Javid's views on Leave/Remain which undermines the rest of your analysis.archer101au said:
I understand it just fine. There will only be a contest if May is already dead. In that case, the Leavers will have to get behind one Leave candidate especially if Javid is knocking around, since he will just revert to Remain form if he ever gets elected.david_herdson said:=
You don't understand the Tory party leadership election process, do you?
Sorry, he might look nice on the telly but in a leadership contest he will get chewed up and spat out. And I don't doubt for a second that if he ever got elected as leader he would sell out on Brexit in a heartbeat.
The Tories tried a leader who was a Remainer but promised to deliver Brexit - we can see how that is going. No chance it will happen again.
David Herdson's view that Brexit will not be the major factor in choosing a leader I think is 100% wrong - the way May is going, there will be a crisis and it will be about the only factor.0 -
It suits leaders to blame the Commission. But ultimately national leaders have the power.MaxPB said:
Unfortunately it doesn't seem that way, the commission has shown time and again it is far, far more powerful than anyone believes or was led to believe. Again, reinforcing the decision to leave that undemocratic rabble well behind.rkrkrk said:
If the EU leaders want us to stay then that is all that would matter.MaxPB said:
The EU leaders want us to stay but it is very clear that the Commission wants us out, the UK is and has always been the roadblock to a federal EU which would need a new treaty/constitution which the UK public would vote down. The rest could be bought/cajoled into signing but the UK wouldn't.OldKingCole said:
I get the opinion that most of the EU top brass don’t want us to Leave, so there’s be a huge sigh of relief and desire to get back to normal as soon as posiible.edmundintokyo said:
That depends, the UK could stay and keep the rebate and the opt-outs for Schengen and the Euro. Nobody wants Brexit to happen, so if the British said they'd stay as long as the terms weren't changed everyone would breathe an exasperated sign of relief.brendan16 said:
What next - we must join the Euro and Schengen? If of course we decided to reverse Article 50 and stay in I presume we would lose the rebate altogether as the price of our humiliation. Is remain as now even an option any more?rpjs said:
“If you want a picture of the future, imagine the UK paying into the EU budget without rebate - forever.”williamglenn said:
Having left, you need unanimity to get back in, so the rebate would be gone, and there might just also be pressure to join Schengen, as this would tidy things up compared to having the Common Travel Area as a separate thing. If we're talking about the forseeable future nobody's going to want the British joining the Eurozone, which has enough problems as it is without creating new, grumpy ones. Britain might lose the explicit opt-out but they'd still be able to use the Swedish cheat codes.
There's no issue once we're out so they are free to push their federal vision as far as they can.
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Ages and ages ago. And nothing on the long range forecast for Merseyside either. It’s turning into 1976.Pulpstar said:Off topic: When did it last rain ?
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And get shot by security !!!!!williamglenn said:The Chequers summit is an ideal opportunity for a Hezza moment. Someone could storm out and theatrically march down the driveway to announce their resignation to the media throng.
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Kim Jong May?Big_G_NorthWales said:
And get shot by security !!!!!williamglenn said:The Chequers summit is an ideal opportunity for a Hezza moment. Someone could storm out and theatrically march down the driveway to announce their resignation to the media throng.
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Hardly a surpriseTheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Which definition of COTD do you mean? Call Off the Dogs, City of the Damned or something sexual?Nigelb said:
9) COTD.david_herdson said:
I think you're wrong on most of your main predictions.archer101au said:I understand it just fine. There will only be a contest if May is already dead. In that case, the Leavers will have to get behind one Leave candidate especially if Javid is knocking around, since he will just revert to Remain form if he ever gets elected.
Tory MPs (and members) are like children. They like whatever is shiny on the day. They love Javid right now because he looks good on TV and has a nice backstory, but he is also an unprincipled chancer. Gove is undermining himself with his fake loyalty to May.
At the end of the day, I understand how the contest will work - anyone who gets momentum during the contest can win. There will have to be a Leaver in the final two. And right now the Cabinet leavers are killing their chances by refusing to stand up to May.
My prediction is that Boris will resign, wield the knife and win. But JRM is certainly well positioned if there is another scenario.
1. Boris won't resign (not least because May would bend to accommodate him but also because he doesn't have the balls);
2. Whether or not Boris resigns, he won't win: he's too flaky and full of hot air;
3. For all the fuss about Brexit, whoever wins has to lead the Party into the 2022GE (or earlier), which means they have to demonstrate some capacity for the boring bits of highest office;
4. Corbyn remains Labour leader - this is not an election to risk losing, so safe options carry a premium, while JRM is the riskiest choice;
5. JRM probably will not stand but if he does, he will lose - most MPs, even within the ERG will make decisions where Brexit is only one factor;
6. JRM's personal and political actions in non-Brexit areas would be unattractive to the public and easy to run a campaign against;
7. Not resigning from May's cabinet is not necessarily a negative, though Boris/Heathrow is;
8. If someone is going to resign, it'll probably be either Gove or Fox but might be Davis;
9. You say 'unprincipled chancer' like it's a bad thing - this is the Party of Disraeli;
10. JRM is sufficiently out of the mainstream that were he a possible contender for the final round, he'd be the subject of negative voting so as to try to ensure that two other candidates went to the membership - and I don't see him having the 100+ MPs necessary to overcome that.0 -
God no. I was a Tory member but resigned over Maastricht and never had any intention of rejoining until they stopped selling the country out to the EU. No danger of needing to join again any time soon....Big_G_NorthWales said:
David is correct and Brexit will not be the number one. The party have always desired office and the successful leader will bring together the party and as a member Javid gets my vote. Do you have a vote as a matter of interestarcher101au said:
The dynamic is that if there is a leadership contest anytime soon, a Leaver will win. Unless MPs manage to engineer Javid against a Remainer, he will lose against a real Leaver because the members won't trust him.TOPPING said:
Yes but the conclusion you draw is wrong. I think your passion is blinding you to the dynamic at play. He has yet to convince MPs (who I appreciate aren't members) of his europhile credentials and they are wary of supporting him because they fear he might do exactly the opposite of what you suggest, which is to revert to his euroscepticism.archer101au said:
What is there to understand? A lifetime Eurosceptic who completely abandoned his principles and supported Remain because he thought that they would win and it would help advance his political career. Now trying to look like he is a Leaver again because he realises that the Tory members are not going to elect another Remainer. And such bad judgement that he supported Crabb.TOPPING said:
Nor do you understand Javid's views on Leave/Remain which undermines the rest of your analysis.archer101au said:
I understand it just fine. There will only be a contest if May is already dead. In that case, the Leavers will have to get behind one Leave candidate especially if Javid is knocking around, since he will just revert to Remain form if he ever gets elected.david_herdson said:=
You don't understand the Tory party leadership election process, do you?
Sorry, he might look nice on the telly but in a leadership contest he will get chewed up and spat out. And I don't doubt for a second that if he ever got elected as leader he would sell out on Brexit in a heartbeat.
The Tories tried a leader who was a Remainer but promised to deliver Brexit - we can see how that is going. No chance it will happen again.
David Herdson's view that Brexit will not be the major factor in choosing a leader I think is 100% wrong - the way May is going, there will be a crisis and it will be about the only factor.0 -
The last recorded in HD was June 15th IIRC, but there wasn't much before that. Little rain in the forecast, unless some storms break out.TheValiant said:
Ages and ages ago. And nothing on the long range forecast for Merseyside either. It’s turning into 1976.Pulpstar said:Off topic: When did it last rain ?
Fires as yesterday, Otterburn Range is just about the biggest now, it has breached civilian land, and Northumberland fire have been called in to tackle just that bit. It burns unabated on the firing range. Winter Hill and Saddleworth are in a holding state.
Next thing to watch for is a change of wind direction around Wednesday, driving Winter Hill fires towards Bolton, and Saddleworth further into the apex of Derbyshire and over Woodhead. The wind switch in Northumberland is less definite, but if smoke reaches Newcastle area expect to hear more about how the army fired bullets at their own tinderbox and whether that was really a good idea.0 -
So you will not have any say over the next leader thenarcher101au said:
God no. I was a Tory member but resigned over Maastricht and never had any intention of rejoining until they stopped selling the country out to the EU. No danger of needing to join again any time soon....Big_G_NorthWales said:
David is correct and Brexit will not be the number one. The party have always desired office and the successful leader will bring together the party and as a member Javid gets my vote. Do you have a vote as a matter of interestarcher101au said:
The dynamic is that if there is a leadership contest anytime soon, a Leaver will win. Unless MPs manage to engineer Javid against a Remainer, he will lose against a real Leaver because the members won't trust him.TOPPING said:
Yes but the conclusion you draw is wrong. I think your passion is blinding you to the dynamic at play. He has yet to convince MPs (who I appreciate aren't members) of his europhile credentials and they are wary of supporting him because they fear he might do exactly the opposite of what you suggest, which is to revert to his euroscepticism.archer101au said:
What is there to understand? A lifetime Eurosceptic who completely abandoned his principles and supported Remain because he thought that they would win and it would help advance his political career. Now trying to look like he is a Leaver again because he realises that the Tory members are not going to elect another Remainer. And such bad judgement that he supported Crabb.TOPPING said:
Nor do you understand Javid's views on Leave/Remain which undermines the rest of your analysis.archer101au said:
I understand it just fine. There will only be a contest if May is already dead. In that case, the Leavers will have to get behind one Leave candidate especially if Javid is knocking around, since he will just revert to Remain form if he ever gets elected.david_herdson said:=
You don't understand the Tory party leadership election process, do you?
Sorry, he might look nice on the telly but in a leadership contest he will get chewed up and spat out. And I don't doubt for a second that if he ever got elected as leader he would sell out on Brexit in a heartbeat.
The Tories tried a leader who was a Remainer but promised to deliver Brexit - we can see how that is going. No chance it will happen again.
David Herdson's view that Brexit will not be the major factor in choosing a leader I think is 100% wrong - the way May is going, there will be a crisis and it will be about the only factor.0 -
There is lots of data at https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadukp/charts/charts.htmlPulpstar said:
Nowt in the top of the east Mids/Southern Yorkshire area. Maybe my memory is deceiving me but genuinely can't remember it this bad. Could do with some soon for our nagsMorris_Dancer said:Mr. Pulpstar, there was a small amount maybe a fortnight ago. Not sure about earlier. In the SW, I think it either has recently or will rain soon (thunderstorms). I checked the forecast recently and the full fortnight ahead is dry and sunny.
It won't be doing much for crops or gardens, not to mention lack of relief for the firemen on Saddleworth Moor.
The main chart is a link to many more.
It doesn't look that bad yet.0 -
I don't know. I predicted that:Dura_Ace said:archer101au said:
The dynamic is that if there is a leadership contest anytime soon, a Leaver will win. Unless MPs manage to engineer Javid against a Remainer, he will lose against a real Leaver because the members won't trust him.TOPPING said:
Yes but the conclusion you draw is wrong. I think your passion is blinding you to the dynamic at play. He has yet to convince MPs (who I appreciate aren't members) of his europhile credentials and they are wary of supporting him because they fear he might do exactly the opposite of what you suggest, which is to revert to his euroscepticism.archer101au said:
What is there to understand? A lifetime Eurosceptic who completely abandoned his principles and supported Remain because he thought that they would win and it would help advance his political career. Now trying to look like he is a Leaver again because he realises that the Tory members are not going to elect another Remainer. And such bad judgement that he supported Crabb.TOPPING said:
Nor do you understand Javid's views on Leave/Remain which undermines the rest of your analysis.archer101au said:
I understand it just fine. There will only be a contest if May is already dead. In that case, the Leavers will have to get behind one Leave candidate especially if Javid is knocking around, since he will just revert to Remain form if he ever gets elected.david_herdson said:=
You don't understand the Tory party leadership election process, do you?
Sorry, he might look nice on the telly but in a leadership contest he will get chewed up and spat out. And I don't doubt for a second that if he ever got elected as leader he would sell out on Brexit in a heartbeat.
The Tories tried a leader who was a Remainer but promised to deliver Brexit - we can see how that is going. No chance it will happen again.
David Herdson's view that Brexit will not be the major factor in choosing a leader I think is 100% wrong - the way May is going, there will be a crisis and it will be about the only factor.
You've been predicting May's demise every four weeks for the past nine months so your predictive track record on this isn't shit hot.
- The December agreement, and in particular the NI backstop was a disaster and that May would never recover from having made this strategic error.
- That May would engage in a sellout on all her red lines.
- That there was no soft Brexit on offer from the EU, other than EEA + CU membership.
Seem to have been spot on.0 -
It's fortunate that most reservoirs were at maximum capacity before this dry spell began.Pulpstar said:Off topic: When did it last rain ?
Weir Wood reservoir: 98%
Powdermill: 94%
Bewl Water: 94%
Darwell: 80%
https://www.southernwater.co.uk/reservoir-levels0 -
The mexico that beat Germany have turned up this afternoon.0
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I did tip Mexico this morning, alongside Japan.FrancisUrquhart said:The mexico that beat Germany have turned up this afternoon.
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It has been a good couple of months for my solar panels.0
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And mine with more to come by the look of itVerulamius said:It has been a good couple of months for my solar panels.
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Brazil still look like they have enough to beat them, but depends on how much fancy dan ball hogger decides to actually pass at the crucial moment.TheScreamingEagles said:
I did tip Mexico this morning, alongside Japan.FrancisUrquhart said:The mexico that beat Germany have turned up this afternoon.
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What's DExEU even for?Scott_P said:
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"The civil war within Germany’s centre-right escalates
Horst Seehofer, the interior minister, threatens to resign from Angela Merkel’s cabinet"
https://www.economist.com/kaffeeklatsch/2018/07/02/the-civil-war-within-germanys-centre-right-escalates0 -
You might also be interested in https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/climate-anomalies/OblitusSumMe said:
There is lots of data at https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadukp/charts/charts.htmlPulpstar said:
Nowt in the top of the east Mids/Southern Yorkshire area. Maybe my memory is deceiving me but genuinely can't remember it this bad. Could do with some soon for our nagsMorris_Dancer said:Mr. Pulpstar, there was a small amount maybe a fortnight ago. Not sure about earlier. In the SW, I think it either has recently or will rain soon (thunderstorms). I checked the forecast recently and the full fortnight ahead is dry and sunny.
It won't be doing much for crops or gardens, not to mention lack of relief for the firemen on Saddleworth Moor.
The main chart is a link to many more.
It doesn't look that bad yet.
One of the reasons that 1976 was so bad was because the preceding winter and spring were very dry. That wasn't the case earlier this year.0 -
I think mine have generated just under 18 kilowatt hours/day in June.Verulamius said:It has been a good couple of months for my solar panels.
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Nor might you if it was like last time or 2003.Big_G_NorthWales said:
So you will not have any say over the next leader thenarcher101au said:
God no. I was a Tory member but resigned over Maastricht and never had any intention of rejoining until they stopped selling the country out to the EU. No danger of needing to join again any time soon....Big_G_NorthWales said:
David is correct and Brexit will not be the number one. The party have always desired office and the successful leader will bring together the party and as a member Javid gets my vote. Do you have a vote as a matter of interestarcher101au said:
The dynamic is that if there is a leadership contest anytime soon, a Leaver will win. Unless MPs manage to engineer Javid against a Remainer, he will lose against a real Leaver because the members won't trust him.TOPPING said:
Yes but the conclusion you draw is wrong. I think your passion is blinding you to the dynamic at play. He has yet to convince MPs (who I appreciate aren't members) of his europhile credentials and they are wary of supporting him because they fear he might do exactly the opposite of what you suggest, which is to revert to his euroscepticism.archer101au said:
What is there to understand? A lifetime Eurosceptic who completely abandoned his principles and supported Remain because he thought that they would win and it would help advance his political career. Now trying to look like he is a Leaver again because he realises that the Tory members are not going to elect another Remainer. And such bad judgement that he supported Crabb.TOPPING said:
Nor do you understand Javid's views on Leave/Remain which undermines the rest of your analysis.archer101au said:
I understand it just fine. There will only be a contest if May is already dead. In that case, the Leavers will have to get behind one Leave candidate especially if Javid is knocking around, since he will just revert to Remain form if he ever gets elected.david_herdson said:=
You don't understand the Tory party leadership election process, do you?
Sorry, he might look nice on the telly but in a leadership contest he will get chewed up and spat out. And I don't doubt for a second that if he ever got elected as leader he would sell out on Brexit in a heartbeat.
The Tories tried a leader who was a Remainer but promised to deliver Brexit - we can see how that is going. No chance it will happen again.
David Herdson's view that Brexit will not be the major factor in choosing a leader I think is 100% wrong - the way May is going, there will be a crisis and it will be about the only factor.0 -
I'll say it again, Neymar Jr is a Fortnum and Mason Jason Lee.0
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That's not really the point though, is it?Yorkcity said:
Nor might you if it was like last time or 2003.Big_G_NorthWales said:
So you will not have any say over the next leader thenarcher101au said:
God no. I was a Tory member but resigned over Maastricht and never had any intention of rejoining until they stopped selling the country out to the EU. No danger of needing to join again any time soon....Big_G_NorthWales said:
David is correct and Brexit will not be the number one. The party have always desired office and the successful leader will bring together the party and as a member Javid gets my vote. Do you have a vote as a matter of interestarcher101au said:
The dynamic is that if there is a leadership contest anytime soon, a Leaver will win. Unless MPs manage to engineer Javid against a Remainer, he will lose against a real Leaver because the members won't trust him.TOPPING said:
Yes but the conclusion you draw is wrong. I think your passion is blinding you to the dynamic at play. He has yet to convince MPs (who I appreciate aren't members) of his europhile credentials and they are wary of supporting him because they fear he might do exactly the opposite of what you suggest, which is to revert to his euroscepticism.archer101au said:
What is there to understand? A lifetime Eurosceptic who completely abandoned his principles and supported Remain because he thought that they would win and it would help advance his political career. Now trying to look like he is a Leaver again because he realises that the Tory members are not going to elect another Remainer. And such bad judgement that he supported Crabb.TOPPING said:
Nor do you understand Javid's views on Leave/Remain which undermines the rest of your analysis.archer101au said:I understand it just fine. There will only be a contest if May is already dead. In that case, the Leavers will have to get behind one Leave candidate especially if Javid is knocking around, since he will just revert to Remain form if he ever gets elected.
Sorry, he might look nice on the telly but in a leadership contest he will get chewed up and spat out. And I don't doubt for a second that if he ever got elected as leader he would sell out on Brexit in a heartbeat.
The Tories tried a leader who was a Remainer but promised to deliver Brexit - we can see how that is going. No chance it will happen again.
David Herdson's view that Brexit will not be the major factor in choosing a leader I think is 100% wrong - the way May is going, there will be a crisis and it will be about the only factor.0 -
France look like the best team at the moment to be honest, but it changes from round to round - in the group stages it was Croatia and Uruguay.
Brazil need to get that game where they play poorly but win out the way, perhaps this is it.0 -
There was a good story on the radio earlier about neymar. When he first started in senior football, he missed a number of penalties so the coach told him he wasn’t to take the next one (during the game). He had such a tantrum they had to stop the game for several minutes. After the game, The coach told him he was suspended for two weeks. He threw anothe wobbler and the president of the club decided that they couldn’t have neymar this upset, so he sacked the coach and waved neymars ban.0
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Oh sure - there's no real issue with on demand water supply right now, the issue is with pasture/grassland. Ain't growing !OblitusSumMe said:
You might also be interested in https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/climate-anomalies/OblitusSumMe said:
There is lots of data at https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadukp/charts/charts.htmlPulpstar said:
Nowt in the top of the east Mids/Southern Yorkshire area. Maybe my memory is deceiving me but genuinely can't remember it this bad. Could do with some soon for our nagsMorris_Dancer said:Mr. Pulpstar, there was a small amount maybe a fortnight ago. Not sure about earlier. In the SW, I think it either has recently or will rain soon (thunderstorms). I checked the forecast recently and the full fortnight ahead is dry and sunny.
It won't be doing much for crops or gardens, not to mention lack of relief for the firemen on Saddleworth Moor.
The main chart is a link to many more.
It doesn't look that bad yet.
One of the reasons that 1976 was so bad was because the preceding winter and spring were very dry. That wasn't the case earlier this year.0 -
Likewise. For the first time ever, they generated over 0.5 MWh of energy in a month during June.Pulpstar said:
I think mine have generated just under 18 kilowatt hours/day in June.Verulamius said:It has been a good couple of months for my solar panels.
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1. PM makes up 3rd way on customs. Has it leakedRobD said:
2. "DD of the SS" goes spare and threatens to resign again again again again
3. Supporters and opponents of DD and PM start throwing rocks at each other
4. PM holds 121s with cabinet. Its not quite Thatcher in 1990 but not far off it
5. Cabinet retreats to Chequers with ambulances on standby
6. PM emerges with fudged non-deal that is so bland as to upset nobody.
7. Barnier puts down his bag of popcorn and once again states that fantasy island solutions will not be accepted no matter how many fights the UK government have to decide which one they want him to reject. Again.0 -
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I've been doing readings since I moved in:david_herdson said:
Likewise. For the first time ever, they generated over 0.5 MWh of energy in a month during June.Pulpstar said:
I think mine have generated just under 18 kilowatt hours/day in June.Verulamius said:It has been a good couple of months for my solar panels.
29/3/18 8918
30/5/18 9908
29/6/18 104560 -
It's clear the EU are only going to accept one plan - theirs. Not sure why HMG is even bothering.RochdalePioneers said:
1. PM makes up 3rd way on customs. Has it leakedRobD said:
2. "DD of the SS" goes spare and threatens to resign again again again again
3. Supporters and opponents of DD and PM start throwing rocks at each other
4. PM holds 121s with cabinet. Its not quite Thatcher in 1990 but not far off it
5. Cabinet retreats to Chequers with ambulances on standby
6. PM emerges with fudged non-deal that is so bland as to upset nobody.
7. Barnier puts down his bag of popcorn and once again states that fantasy island solutions will not be accepted no matter how many fights the UK government have to decide which one they want him to reject. Again.0 -
Fewer cloudy days, or is the Sun getting more luminous?Pulpstar said:
I've been doing readings since I moved in:david_herdson said:
Likewise. For the first time ever, they generated over 0.5 MWh of energy in a month during June.Pulpstar said:
I think mine have generated just under 18 kilowatt hours/day in June.Verulamius said:It has been a good couple of months for my solar panels.
29/3/18 8918
30/5/18 9908
29/6/18 10456 0 -
So you used 10% more in June than in April and May. Have you got air conditioning?Pulpstar said:
I've been doing readings since I moved in:david_herdson said:
Likewise. For the first time ever, they generated over 0.5 MWh of energy in a month during June.Pulpstar said:
I think mine have generated just under 18 kilowatt hours/day in June.Verulamius said:It has been a good couple of months for my solar panels.
29/3/18 8918
30/5/18 9908
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Fixed that for you.MarkHopkins said:archer101au said:
It is looking like the day that Soft Brexit died. The EU have rejected May's new plans before she even publishes them! What a shambles.Stark_Dawning said:Is today the day that Brexit died? Rees-Mogg's misjudged threats and Boris's foul-mouthed rant against the wealth creators feel like the desperate splutterings of yesterday's men.
CETA should be the outcome, but the forced partition of part of the UK which appears to be demanded should not be acceptable to anyone. No deal is the only sensible and rational approach at this time.
This is a summary of the negotiations so far:
EU: Bearing in mind our fundamental position is that the four freedoms are sacrosanct to us, what are your proposals?
UK: Right, I wonder if we could have all of what we want without the other bits...
EU: Non.
UK: Well we want all of this without the other parts ...
EU: Non.
UK: What about the stuff only full EU members can have ...
EU: Non.
UK: Surely we can have these as sort-of good neighbours ...
EU: Non.
Boris: I ...
EU: Non. Non. Non.0 -
That's my generation. 512 Kw of usage over the same time period.Sandpit said:
So you used 10% more in June than in April and May. Have you got air conditioning?Pulpstar said:
I've been doing readings since I moved in:david_herdson said:
Likewise. For the first time ever, they generated over 0.5 MWh of energy in a month during June.Pulpstar said:
I think mine have generated just under 18 kilowatt hours/day in June.Verulamius said:It has been a good couple of months for my solar panels.
29/3/18 8918
30/5/18 9908
29/6/18 104560 -
Ah okay, a good month in June then, makes more sensePulpstar said:
That's my generation. 512 Kw of usage over the same time period.Sandpit said:
So you used 10% more in June than in April and May. Have you got air conditioning?Pulpstar said:
I've been doing readings since I moved in:david_herdson said:
Likewise. For the first time ever, they generated over 0.5 MWh of energy in a month during June.Pulpstar said:
I think mine have generated just under 18 kilowatt hours/day in June.Verulamius said:It has been a good couple of months for my solar panels.
29/3/18 8918
30/5/18 9908
29/6/18 10456
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Fooled me once, shame on you.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Hardly a surpriseTheScreamingEagles said:
Fooled me twice call me Donald....0 -
we bet the farm and lost in 2008, financial services never paid the bills and never willTheScreamingEagles said:
Because the country has bet the farm on the banking, financial services and insurance industry whilst some Leavers, like Patrick Minford, want to destroy British manufacturing. Is a no brainer.Alanbrooke said:
why are a few AIG jobs more important than the GKN butchery Greg Hands is approving?TheScreamingEagles said:
We're more important in the grand scheme of things than metal bashers.
the truth is you don't worry about GKN because it's not your sector. You shit yourelf when its finance. Then stupidlyyou then whinge when voters outside the finance sector vote for their own interest and we end up with Brexit.
And you still haven't answered wny Greg sit on his Hands is approving the asset stripping of one of our oldest businesses, a centre for research and a tax payer.
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All this hot weather is the fault of the Israelis. Apparently.
https://twitter.com/maziarbahari/status/10137523677481820180 -
Starting yesterday, in Uganda the authorities introduced a controversial tax on people using dozens of Internet services including Facebook, Whatsapp, Twitter, and Instagram.
Passed in May by the Ugandan parliament, the legislation requires local Internet service providers to block a wide range of social media and telecoms platforms until subscribers pay a flat fee of 200 shillings (US$0.051) per day. While just shy of US$19 per year might not initially sound like much, per capita income stands at US$600 and millions of Ugandans survive on less than a dollar per day0 -
https://twitter.com/DanielJHannan/status/1012702482579910656Alanbrooke said:
we bet the farm and lost in 2008, financial services never paid the bills and never willTheScreamingEagles said:
Because the country has bet the farm on the banking, financial services and insurance industry whilst some Leavers, like Patrick Minford, want to destroy British manufacturing. Is a no brainer.Alanbrooke said:
why are a few AIG jobs more important than the GKN butchery Greg Hands is approving?TheScreamingEagles said:
We're more important in the grand scheme of things than metal bashers.
the truth is you don't worry about GKN because it's not your sector. You shit yourelf when its finance. Then stupidlyyou then whinge when voters outside the finance sector vote for their own interest and we end up with Brexit.
And you still haven't answered wny Greg sit on his Hands is approving the asset stripping of one of our oldest businesses, a centre for research and a tax payer.0 -
Are you confusing Greg Hands with Greg Clark?Alanbrooke said:
we bet the farm and lost in 2008, financial services never paid the bills and never willTheScreamingEagles said:
Because the country has bet the farm on the banking, financial services and insurance industry whilst some Leavers, like Patrick Minford, want to destroy British manufacturing. Is a no brainer.Alanbrooke said:
why are a few AIG jobs more important than the GKN butchery Greg Hands is approving?TheScreamingEagles said:
We're more important in the grand scheme of things than metal bashers.
the truth is you don't worry about GKN because it's not your sector. You shit yourelf when its finance. Then stupidlyyou then whinge when voters outside the finance sector vote for their own interest and we end up with Brexit.
And you still haven't answered wny Greg sit on his Hands is approving the asset stripping of one of our oldest businesses, a centre for research and a tax payer.0 -
Time for that Bullseye moment.RobD said:
It's clear the EU are only going to accept one plan - theirs. Not sure why HMG is even bothering.RochdalePioneers said:
1. PM makes up 3rd way on customs. Has it leakedRobD said:
2. "DD of the SS" goes spare and threatens to resign again again again again
3. Supporters and opponents of DD and PM start throwing rocks at each other
4. PM holds 121s with cabinet. Its not quite Thatcher in 1990 but not far off it
5. Cabinet retreats to Chequers with ambulances on standby
6. PM emerges with fudged non-deal that is so bland as to upset nobody.
7. Barnier puts down his bag of popcorn and once again states that fantasy island solutions will not be accepted no matter how many fights the UK government have to decide which one they want him to reject. Again.
Produces a huge comedy cheque, payable to the EU, for £40 billion.
"Let's have a look at what you could have won...."
As Boris sets about it with an oxy-acetylene torch.....0 -
I don't know enough about the GKN situation to comment, so unlike some PBers I'm not going to pass myself as an expert in something I'm not.Alanbrooke said:
we bet the farm and lost in 2008, financial services never paid the bills and never willTheScreamingEagles said:
Because the country has bet the farm on the banking, financial services and insurance industry whilst some Leavers, like Patrick Minford, want to destroy British manufacturing. Is a no brainer.Alanbrooke said:
why are a few AIG jobs more important than the GKN butchery Greg Hands is approving?TheScreamingEagles said:
We're more important in the grand scheme of things than metal bashers.
the truth is you don't worry about GKN because it's not your sector. You shit yourelf when its finance. Then stupidlyyou then whinge when voters outside the finance sector vote for their own interest and we end up with Brexit.
And you still haven't answered wny Greg sit on his Hands is approving the asset stripping of one of our oldest businesses, a centre for research and a tax payer.
I do know that the financial services sector is the largest contributor to the Exchequer, if we flee then the country's got a major problem.0 -
Interesting move by the Ugandan administration. I wonder if other governments will have the same idea.FrancisUrquhart said:Starting yesterday, in Uganda the authorities introduced a controversial tax on people using dozens of Internet services including Facebook, Whatsapp, Twitter, and Instagram.
Passed in May by the Ugandan parliament, the legislation requires local Internet service providers to block a wide range of social media and telecoms platforms until subscribers pay a flat fee of 200 shillings (US$0.051) per day. While just shy of US$19 per year might not initially sound like much, per capita income stands at US$600 and millions of Ugandans survive on less than a dollar per day0 -
A tax on Ugandan discussions?FrancisUrquhart said:Starting yesterday, in Uganda the authorities introduced a controversial tax on people using dozens of Internet services including Facebook, Whatsapp, Twitter, and Instagram.
Passed in May by the Ugandan parliament, the legislation requires local Internet service providers to block a wide range of social media and telecoms platforms until subscribers pay a flat fee of 200 shillings (US$0.051) per day. While just shy of US$19 per year might not initially sound like much, per capita income stands at US$600 and millions of Ugandans survive on less than a dollar per day0 -
Then the remains could be placed in an urn and we could have a biennial wiff-waff tournament with Brussels over the Ashes of English Sovereignty.MarqueeMark said:
Time for that Bullseye moment.RobD said:
It's clear the EU are only going to accept one plan - theirs. Not sure why HMG is even bothering.RochdalePioneers said:
1. PM makes up 3rd way on customs. Has it leakedRobD said:
2. "DD of the SS" goes spare and threatens to resign again again again again
3. Supporters and opponents of DD and PM start throwing rocks at each other
4. PM holds 121s with cabinet. Its not quite Thatcher in 1990 but not far off it
5. Cabinet retreats to Chequers with ambulances on standby
6. PM emerges with fudged non-deal that is so bland as to upset nobody.
7. Barnier puts down his bag of popcorn and once again states that fantasy island solutions will not be accepted no matter how many fights the UK government have to decide which one they want him to reject. Again.
Produces a huge comedy cheque, payable to the EU, for £40 billion.
"Let's have a look at what you could have won...."
As Boris sets about it with an oxy-acetylene torch.....0 -
yes lets ignore the largest ever bail out the country has undertaken and the trillion plus contingent liability dumped on taxpayersTheScreamingEagles said:
onlyAlanbrooke said:
we bet the farm and lost in 2008, financial services never paid the bills and never willTheScreamingEagles said:
Because the country has bet the farm on the banking, financial services and insurance industry whilst some Leavers, like Patrick Minford, want to destroy British manufacturing. Is a no brainer.Alanbrooke said:
why are a few AIG jobs more important than the GKN butchery Greg Hands is approving?TheScreamingEagles said:
We're more important in the grand scheme of things than metal bashers.
the truth is you don't worry about GKN because it's not your sector. You shit yourelf when its finance. Then stupidlyyou then whinge when voters outside the finance sector vote for their own interest and we end up with Brexit.
And you still haven't answered wny Greg sit on his Hands is approving the asset stripping of one of our oldest businesses, a centre for research and a tax payer.
I don't know enough about the GKN situation to comment, so unlike some PBers I'm not going to pass myself as an expert in something I'm not.
I do know that the financial services sector is the largest contributor to the Exchequer, if we flee then the country's got a major problem.
take away all the costs and any business looks good0 -
Mexico are 8.6 on Betfair.
Edit - and even higher now0 -
#cantbeatabitofbullyMarqueeMark said:
Time for that Bullseye moment.RobD said:
It's clear the EU are only going to accept one plan - theirs. Not sure why HMG is even bothering.RochdalePioneers said:
1. PM makes up 3rd way on customs. Has it leakedRobD said:
2. "DD of the SS" goes spare and threatens to resign again again again again
3. Supporters and opponents of DD and PM start throwing rocks at each other
4. PM holds 121s with cabinet. Its not quite Thatcher in 1990 but not far off it
5. Cabinet retreats to Chequers with ambulances on standby
6. PM emerges with fudged non-deal that is so bland as to upset nobody.
7. Barnier puts down his bag of popcorn and once again states that fantasy island solutions will not be accepted no matter how many fights the UK government have to decide which one they want him to reject. Again.
Produces a huge comedy cheque, payable to the EU, for £40 billion.
"Let's have a look at what you could have won...."
As Boris sets about it with an oxy-acetylene torch.....
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"Tainted .. Tainted" !!!!!!!!!!david_herdson said:As an aside, the Tory Party has only been around for 'only' a little over 200 years. It cannot be meaningfully traced back to the Tory Party of Queen Anne and the late Stewarts, as that party died after being frozen out of government and then tainted with Jacobitism.
You will be receiving a visit very shortly .... and it wont be the Avon Ladies !!
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Blame Gordon Brown who set up an awful regulatory system.Alanbrooke said:
yes lets ignore the largest ever bail out the country has undertaken and the trillion plus contingent liability dumped on taxpayersTheScreamingEagles said:
onlyAlanbrooke said:
we bet the farm and lost in 2008, financial services never paid the bills and never willTheScreamingEagles said:
Because the country has bet the farm on the banking, financial services and insurance industry whilst some Leavers, like Patrick Minford, want to destroy British manufacturing. Is a no brainer.Alanbrooke said:
why are a few AIG jobs more important than the GKN butchery Greg Hands is approving?TheScreamingEagles said:
We're more important in the grand scheme of things than metal bashers.
the truth is you don't worry about GKN because it's not your sector. You shit yourelf when its finance. Then stupidlyyou then whinge when voters outside the finance sector vote for their own interest and we end up with Brexit.
And you still haven't answered wny Greg sit on his Hands is approving the asset stripping of one of our oldest businesses, a centre for research and a tax payer.
I don't know enough about the GKN situation to comment, so unlike some PBers I'm not going to pass myself as an expert in something I'm not.
I do know that the financial services sector is the largest contributor to the Exchequer, if we flee then the country's got a major problem.
take away all the costs and any business looks good
It was only one or two bad apples.
I'd have let them fail.0 -
If Brazil beats Mexico 1-0 and Sweden beat Mexico 3-0 does that mean Sweden are 3 times as good as Brazil ?0
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Dave didn't send anyone to jail , it's one of the reasons he lost his jobTheScreamingEagles said:
Blame Gordon Brown who set up an awful regulatory system.Alanbrooke said:
yes lets ignore the largest ever bail out the country has undertaken and the trillion plus contingent liability dumped on taxpayersTheScreamingEagles said:
onlyAlanbrooke said:
we bet the farm and lost in 2008, financial services never paid the bills and never willTheScreamingEagles said:
Because the country has bet the farm on the banking, financial services and insurance industry whilst some Leavers, like Patrick Minford, want to destroy British manufacturing. Is a no brainer.Alanbrooke said:
why are a few AIG jobs more important than the GKN butchery Greg Hands is approving?TheScreamingEagles said:
We're more important in the grand scheme of things than metal bashers.
the truth is you don't worry about GKN because it's not your sector. You shit yourelf when its finance. Then stupidlyyou then whinge when voters outside the finance sector vote for their own interest and we end up with Brexit.
And you still haven't answered wny Greg sit on his Hands is approving the asset stripping of one of our oldest businesses, a centre for research and a tax payer.
I don't know enough about the GKN situation to comment, so unlike some PBers I'm not going to pass myself as an expert in something I'm not.
I do know that the financial services sector is the largest contributor to the Exchequer, if we flee then the country's got a major problem.
take away all the costs and any business looks good
It was only one or two bad apples.
I'd have let them fail.
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Fortunately we live in a democracy, thus the PM doesn't send anyone to jail.Alanbrooke said:
Dave didn't send anyone to jail , it's one of the reasons he lost his jobTheScreamingEagles said:
Blame Gordon Brown who set up an awful regulatory system.Alanbrooke said:
yes lets ignore the largest ever bail out the country has undertaken and the trillion plus contingent liability dumped on taxpayersTheScreamingEagles said:
onlyAlanbrooke said:
we bet the farm and lost in 2008, financial services never paid the bills and never willTheScreamingEagles said:
Because the country has bet the farm on the banking, financial services and insurance industry whilst some Leavers, like Patrick Minford, want to destroy British manufacturing. Is a no brainer.Alanbrooke said:
why are a few AIG jobs more important than the GKN butchery Greg Hands is approving?TheScreamingEagles said:
We're more important in the grand scheme of things than metal bashers.
the truth is you don't worry about GKN because it's not your sector. You shit yourelf when its finance. Then stupidlyyou then whinge when voters outside the finance sector vote for their own interest and we end up with Brexit.
And you still haven't answered wny Greg sit on his Hands is approving the asset stripping of one of our oldest businesses, a centre for research and a tax payer.
I don't know enough about the GKN situation to comment, so unlike some PBers I'm not going to pass myself as an expert in something I'm not.
I do know that the financial services sector is the largest contributor to the Exchequer, if we flee then the country's got a major problem.
take away all the costs and any business looks good
It was only one or two bad apples.
I'd have let them fail.0 -
Brazil have their moments of brilliance in and amongst much longer periods of mediocrity, showiness for its own sake and occasional moments of downright ugliness (which get skimmed over because of their reputation). A bit like Wagner.Pulpstar said:If Brazil beats Mexico 1-0 and Sweden beat Mexico 3-0 does that mean Sweden are 3 times as good as Brazil ?
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No I wont - they'll get half-way then turn around and go home again.JackW said:
"Tainted .. Tainted" !!!!!!!!!!david_herdson said:As an aside, the Tory Party has only been around for 'only' a little over 200 years. It cannot be meaningfully traced back to the Tory Party of Queen Anne and the late Stewarts, as that party died after being frozen out of government and then tainted with Jacobitism.
You will be receiving a visit very shortly .... and it wont be the Avon Ladies !!0 -
I know enough about it to comment and this is about the best result they could hope for. Anyone who think GKN could have done better by staying independent was either stupid or kidding themselves. The GKN board's proposal was to sell their biggest division to an American outfit for a knock down price, it's no wonder that shareholders preferred the buyout option put forward by UK based Melrose.TheScreamingEagles said:
I don't know enough about the GKN situation to comment, so unlike some PBers I'm not going to pass myself as an expert in something I'm not.Alanbrooke said:
we bet the farm and lost in 2008, financial services never paid the bills and never willTheScreamingEagles said:
Because the country has bet the farm on the banking, financial services and insurance industry whilst some Leavers, like Patrick Minford, want to destroy British manufacturing. Is a no brainer.Alanbrooke said:
why are a few AIG jobs more important than the GKN butchery Greg Hands is approving?TheScreamingEagles said:
We're more important in the grand scheme of things than metal bashers.
the truth is you don't worry about GKN because it's not your sector. You shit yourelf when its finance. Then stupidlyyou then whinge when voters outside the finance sector vote for their own interest and we end up with Brexit.
And you still haven't answered wny Greg sit on his Hands is approving the asset stripping of one of our oldest businesses, a centre for research and a tax payer.
I do know that the financial services sector is the largest contributor to the Exchequer, if we flee then the country's got a major problem.0 -
Someone to blame. Just look at how TSE is happy to blame Davis for all May's stupid decisions.RobD said:0 -
Yes, over 0.5MWh in both June and May for me. Start of June was a bit dull but it has brightened up substantially since then. Looking good for July.Pulpstar said:
I've been doing readings since I moved in:david_herdson said:
Likewise. For the first time ever, they generated over 0.5 MWh of energy in a month during June.Pulpstar said:
I think mine have generated just under 18 kilowatt hours/day in June.Verulamius said:It has been a good couple of months for my solar panels.
29/3/18 8918
30/5/18 9908
29/6/18 10456
Just passed the 25MWh reading so around 3.6MWh per year.0 -
Who's more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows her?Richard_Tyndall said:
Someone to blame. Just look at how TSE is happy to blame Davis for all May's stupid decisions.RobD said:
Davis if he was all that should have quit instead of perpetually talking about quitting.0 -
Thanks.MaxPB said:
I know enough about it to comment and this is about the best result they could hope for. Anyone who think GKN could have done better by staying independent was either stupid or kidding themselves. The GKN board's proposal was to sell their biggest division to an American outfit for a knock down price, it's no wonder that shareholders preferred the buyout option put forward by UK based Melrose.0 -
Ah, that no doubt explains why you think you know more about how Tory members will behave than David Herdson does.archer101au said:
God no. I was a Tory member but resigned over Maastricht and never had any intention of rejoining until they stopped selling the country out to the EU. No danger of needing to join again any time soon....Big_G_NorthWales said:
David is correct and Brexit will not be the number one. The party have always desired office and the successful leader will bring together the party and as a member Javid gets my vote. Do you have a vote as a matter of interestarcher101au said:
The dynamic is that if there is a leadership contest anytime soon, a Leaver will win. Unless MPs manage to engineer Javid against a Remainer, he will lose against a real Leaver because the members won't trust him.TOPPING said:
Yes but the conclusion you draw is wrong. I think your passion is blinding you to the dynamic at play. He has yet to convince MPs (who I appreciate aren't members) of his europhile credentials and they are wary of supporting him because they fear he might do exactly the opposite of what you suggest, which is to revert to his euroscepticism.archer101au said:
What is there to understand? A lifetime Eurosceptic who completely abandoned his principles and supported Remain because he thought that they would win and it would help advance his political career. Now trying to look like he is a Leaver again because he realises that the Tory members are not going to elect another Remainer. And such bad judgement that he supported Crabb.TOPPING said:
Nor do you understand Javid's views on Leave/Remain which undermines the rest of your analysis.archer101au said:
I understand it just fine. There will only be a contest if May is already dead. In that case, the Leavers will have to get behind one Leave candidate especially if Javid is knocking around, since he will just revert to Remain form if he ever gets elected.david_herdson said:=
You don't understand the Tory party leadership election process, do you?
Sorry, he might look nice on the telly but in a leadership contest he will get chewed up and spat out. And I don't doubt for a second that if he ever got elected as leader he would sell out on Brexit in a heartbeat.
The Tories tried a leader who was a Remainer but promised to deliver Brexit - we can see how that is going. No chance it will happen again.
David Herdson's view that Brexit will not be the major factor in choosing a leader I think is 100% wrong - the way May is going, there will be a crisis and it will be about the only factor.0 -
Is that the reason for the works on the A50 just to the west of Uttoxeter?Sandpit said:
https://twitter.com/DanielJHannan/status/1012702482579910656Alanbrooke said:
we bet the farm and lost in 2008, financial services never paid the bills and never willTheScreamingEagles said:
Because the country has bet the farm on the banking, financial services and insurance industry whilst some Leavers, like Patrick Minford, want to destroy British manufacturing. Is a no brainer.Alanbrooke said:
why are a few AIG jobs more important than the GKN butchery Greg Hands is approving?TheScreamingEagles said:
We're more important in the grand scheme of things than metal bashers.
the truth is you don't worry about GKN because it's not your sector. You shit yourelf when its finance. Then stupidlyyou then whinge when voters outside the finance sector vote for their own interest and we end up with Brexit.
And you still haven't answered wny Greg sit on his Hands is approving the asset stripping of one of our oldest businesses, a centre for research and a tax payer.
An anecdote about JCB. Back in the old days, the JCB spares dept was at their main site in Rocester. My school was directly above, and one day my dad asked me to go down in my lunch hour to pick something up. So I went down the hill in my tweed jacket, went to the spares department, and picked up a hydraulic ram for a backactor. After lugging it back up the hill I found it did not fit in my locker, so I had to carry it around to all my classes that afternoon.
Mind you, I also got to go to a few product launches as well. The full laser show and dancing diggers were rather brilliant for a thirteen year old. And I've still got a model 3CX signed by Noel Edmonds ...
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You know he's on their payroll?Sandpit said:Hannan - JCB
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Adonis is the sort of person who won't have registered there is a World Cup on...where England are doing rather well.....rottenborough said:
"Football?"0 -
These Brazilian players seem terribly fragile with the bone strength of an arthritic 90 year old woman.0
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Second time today that David has been told by someone who left the Tory party years ago that he doesn't know much about the Tory party and its membership.Richard_Nabavi said:
Ah, that no doubt explains why you think you know more about how Tory members will behave than David Herdson does.
Despite me telling the other person that David's a constituency chairman.0 -
On what we've seen so far, France will cream Brazil....0
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Not 100% that's the match yet. Lets see what Belgium and Uruguay can do.MarqueeMark said:On what we've seen so far, France will cream Brazil....
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The Cabinet have been behaving like idiots.TheScreamingEagles said:https: //twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1013805956596207616
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They shouldn't worry, Barnier will just say "Non" to it.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
That's brilliant news.Theuniondivvie said:Some unalloyed good news.
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For some reason the ad I'm getting at the top of PB is for Budd, the #1 Fall Detector.
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Wow.Theuniondivvie said:Some unalloyed good news.
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Well they are right about that. Perhaps if they'd spent the five years since David Cameron pledged a referendum working up some kind of vaguely coherent alternative plan, they might be better placed to criticise.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Pull your heads in. Nobody 'knows' what thousands of Tory members or MPs will do or think - he has his opinion, I have mine. I think his analysis is incorrect and I have set out why, but his analysis is also logical but from a different point of view.TheScreamingEagles said:
Second time today that David has been told by someone who left the Tory party years ago that he doesn't know much about the Tory party and its membership.Richard_Nabavi said:
Ah, that no doubt explains why you think you know more about how Tory members will behave than David Herdson does.
Despite me telling the other person that David's a constituency chairman.
I think that Brexit will dominate (and destroy) the Tories; not surprisingly he disagrees. I am not sure exactly how David thinks that May can resolve Brexit so it does not become the trigger for leadership carnage, and if that occurs nobody actually knows how it will play out. Perhaps he thinks that May will be able to sell out the country and deliver a Brexit totally at odds with their manifesto and the members will just shrug it off. If so, he might find he is Chairman and the only member left. The Tories biggest weakness is that they think they will last forever.0
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