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What is there to discuss? Both in the substance and the communication it was a catastrophe.TOPPING said:
Is this the cue for a Dave's Deal discussion?edmundintokyo said:
He clearly already knew about the morons since only a few months before he'd been affecting to want to leave the EU himself unless it was reformed in some unspecified way.TOPPING said:
Nah. He was guilty of thinking that the country couldn't possibly vote in favour of anything that Farage, Cash, Redwood, Mogg think is a good idea.Jonathan said:
He really screwed up. A relatively decent, bright chap who got carried away by his own mythology. Sad.TheScreamingEagles said:Dave’s quiet because he’s heartbroken about the division and hatred in the country, I know he took the death of Jo Cox quiet badly.
He’s quite upset about the state of the Tory party too.
His error was to think that the country was not chock-full of morons.
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Just two points to make about this:Tykejohnno said:
Coming from you on leavers hating ,you hating 17million people every day.AlastairMeeks said:So today Leavers are hating Tony Blair. Yesterday it was the BMA. It must be exhausting keeping all that negative energy pent up, ready to discharge on so many different subjects.
For a group that like to lay claim to patriotism, there's precious little about Britain that they actually like.
1) I don't hate anyone. Hate the sin, not the sinner.
2) My ire is reserved for those responsible for whipping up xenophobia, not for those who were frightened into believing xenophobic lies.
It's Leavers who seem to hate every aspect about this country.
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Do we think cameron could have done this deal with the EU before the referendum, if the answer is yes how many MP's do you need for a leadership contest.?HYUFD said:
Most likely it will be some form of work permit ultimatelyAlastairMeeks said:The nativists aren't happy:
https://twitter.com/montie/status/10122358351970017280 -
According to the article at the moment it is mostly customs recruitment in Ireland rather than infrastructure. Worth reading.Sandpit said:
It would be highly amusing to watch them try.RobD said:
I assume they are going to begin construction in Ireland imminently?Foxy said:
Blair taints everything he touches. No one wants him on their platform, even when he is right.AlastairMeeks said:Tony Blair presumably thinks some things need saying that no one else is saying. He’s right.
Meanwhile, the EU27 is preparing for crash Brexit. Seems sensible.
https://twitter.com/FinancialTimes/status/1012189435906215936?s=19
Of course May signed up to the Irish Backstop, so they have taken control.0 -
So if Roe v Wade is overturned looks like there’s an automaticity in 18 states that makes abortion illegal.
Guttmacher further notes that four states (Louisiana, Mississippi, North Dakota, and South Dakota) have passed laws to automatically ban abortion should Roe be overturned,
10 have retained pre-Roe abortion bans, and eight have laws that “express their intent to restrict the right to legal abortion to the maximum extent permitted by the U.S. Supreme Court in the absence of Roe”; in total, 18 states fall into one or more of those categories.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/policy-and-politics/2018/6/27/17510896/anthony-kennedys-retirement-puts-abortion-rights-at-risk0 -
Ambrose Evans-Pritchard is saying that if the EU keeps “intimidating” us we should withdraw our troops from Eastern Europe and do a deal with Putin.TheScreamingEagles said:
Tim’s losing it. Last night he was positively tumescent about Roe v Wade being overturnedAlastairMeeks said:The nativists aren't happy:
https://twitter.com/montie/status/1012235835197001728
The next few months will be ugly, and let’s hope it’s only a few months...0 -
If we need to hide in the bottom half out of fear of the big teams, we ain't ever going to make the final.Pulpstar said:
In the bottom half of the draw the big teams can be avoided till the final !IanB2 said:
Despite your interest, I am sure you are right that the psychological and morale benefit from a good win against Belgium far outweighs whatever advantage there might be in a different set of future contests. Particularly for England given our persisting hang ups about underperformance at international football. The better teams can't be avoided for ever.Foxy said:
I don't think playing to lose against the first strong team that we encounter is wise. It is important that we gel as a team and develop a winning mentality. In each side of the draw is one of two joint favourites (Brazil or Spain). In the one side there are misfiring teams like Argentina and France, but in the other there are overperforming minor countries with strong mentalities like Sweden and Denmark.
Things could look quite different after the Round of 16 in terms of survivors. We also may well find out that Belgium prefers to come second too, making for interesting gamesmanship!
I reckon we should go for it, with only a few minor changes, such as Rashford in for Sterling. Beating Brazil in a QF is what a the tournament is all about, rather than an ignominious defeat by Japan.
As my tickets are for the St Petersburg Semi, I have strong interest in this!
Southgate has pointed out that we haven't won a knockout match since 2006. To add to that, we haven't won back-to-back knock-out matches since 1990. So plotting a route to the final based on trying to play teams that are only as potent as, say, Iceland (for example) is utter hubris.
If we go out to Brazil in the QFs, then we've done pretty well. First, though, we've got to get there, and momentum is a real thing, as is making other sides worry about us. And, given how Brazil, Argentina, Spain, France, Portugal and the rest have played, I'd give us a fair shot at beating any of them, anyway. If we want to win the damn thing, we've either got to play them sooner or later - or play those who've beaten them.
Trying to find an "easy" route is defeatist. The big teams don't do that. We should simply aim to crush every team between now and the end of our World Cup campaign, whether that's in the R16 or in the final.0 -
There is no section of the population that respects Tony Blair.AlastairMeeks said:So today Leavers are hating Tony Blair. Yesterday it was the BMA. It must be exhausting keeping all that negative energy pent up, ready to discharge on so many different subjects.
For a group that like to lay claim to patriotism, there's precious little about Britain that they actually like.0 -
Leavers are collaborators, their trials will be fun.williamglenn said:
Ambrose Evans-Pritchard is saying that if the EU keeps “intimidating” us we should withdraw our troops from Eastern Europe and do a deal with Putin.TheScreamingEagles said:
Tim’s losing it. Last night he was positively tumescent about Roe v Wade being overturnedAlastairMeeks said:The nativists aren't happy:
https://twitter.com/montie/status/1012235835197001728
The next few months will be ugly, and let’s hope it’s only a few months...0 -
Didn’t know you’re a Corbynite.Sean_F said:
There is no section of the population that respects Tony Blair.AlastairMeeks said:So today Leavers are hating Tony Blair. Yesterday it was the BMA. It must be exhausting keeping all that negative energy pent up, ready to discharge on so many different subjects.
For a group that like to lay claim to patriotism, there's precious little about Britain that they actually like.
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Interesting feature on climate change in the podcast.I'm ditching gas central heating and switching to electricity from renewables,which I'm convinced will be cheaper in a few years' time, but these air/ground heat pumps are very interesting.Anyone using them or explored the use of them? Both systems appeal because of national security,not having to rely on Qatari gas and Saudi oil,or those pesky Russians.0
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He’s a Leaver, so he’s f*ck business and wanting to implement large portions of Michael Foot’s 1983 manifesto, so he’s a Corbynite.Jonathan said:
Didn’t know you’re a Corbynite.Sean_F said:
There is no section of the population that respects Tony Blair.AlastairMeeks said:So today Leavers are hating Tony Blair. Yesterday it was the BMA. It must be exhausting keeping all that negative energy pent up, ready to discharge on so many different subjects.
For a group that like to lay claim to patriotism, there's precious little about Britain that they actually like.0 -
I'm afraid I'm not fleet enough of foot. For now the Leavers have moved on to their next hate target, the CBI.Sean_F said:
There is no section of the population that respects Tony Blair.AlastairMeeks said:So today Leavers are hating Tony Blair. Yesterday it was the BMA. It must be exhausting keeping all that negative energy pent up, ready to discharge on so many different subjects.
For a group that like to lay claim to patriotism, there's precious little about Britain that they actually like.-1 -
Yet it was Remainers who have subsequently peddled lies including about attacks on immigrants, the City relocating to Frankfurt and the crops rotting in the fields.AlastairMeeks said:
Just two points to make about this:Tykejohnno said:
Coming from you on leavers hating ,you hating 17million people every day.AlastairMeeks said:So today Leavers are hating Tony Blair. Yesterday it was the BMA. It must be exhausting keeping all that negative energy pent up, ready to discharge on so many different subjects.
For a group that like to lay claim to patriotism, there's precious little about Britain that they actually like.
1) I don't hate anyone. Hate the sin, not the sinner.
2) My ire is reserved for those responsible for whipping up xenophobia, not for those who were frightened into believing xenophobic lies.
It's Leavers who seem to hate every aspect about this country.0 -
XENOPHOBIC LIES!!!0
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Seriously, disapproval of Tony Blair is not just confined to Leavers or Corbynites.AlastairMeeks said:
I'm afraid I'm not fleet enough of foot. For now the Leavers have moved on to their next hate target, the CBI.Sean_F said:
There is no section of the population that respects Tony Blair.AlastairMeeks said:So today Leavers are hating Tony Blair. Yesterday it was the BMA. It must be exhausting keeping all that negative energy pent up, ready to discharge on so many different subjects.
For a group that like to lay claim to patriotism, there's precious little about Britain that they actually like.0 -
Remainers are all traitors, I'm hoping for a mass trial and that we bring back hanging for treason.TheScreamingEagles said:
Leavers are collaborators, their trials will be fun.williamglenn said:
Ambrose Evans-Pritchard is saying that if the EU keeps “intimidating” us we should withdraw our troops from Eastern Europe and do a deal with Putin.TheScreamingEagles said:
Tim’s losing it. Last night he was positively tumescent about Roe v Wade being overturnedAlastairMeeks said:The nativists aren't happy:
https://twitter.com/montie/status/1012235835197001728
The next few months will be ugly, and let’s hope it’s only a few months...0 -
He is more popular than populist Leavers and Corbynites like to think.Sean_F said:
Seriously, disapproval of Tony Blair is not just confined to Leavers or Corbynites.AlastairMeeks said:
I'm afraid I'm not fleet enough of foot. For now the Leavers have moved on to their next hate target, the CBI.Sean_F said:
There is no section of the population that respects Tony Blair.AlastairMeeks said:So today Leavers are hating Tony Blair. Yesterday it was the BMA. It must be exhausting keeping all that negative energy pent up, ready to discharge on so many different subjects.
For a group that like to lay claim to patriotism, there's precious little about Britain that they actually like.
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Channelling your inner Thomas Mair I see. Sad.MaxPB said:
Remainers are all traitors, I'm hoping for a mass trial and that we bring back hanging for treason.TheScreamingEagles said:
Leavers are collaborators, their trials will be fun.williamglenn said:
Ambrose Evans-Pritchard is saying that if the EU keeps “intimidating” us we should withdraw our troops from Eastern Europe and do a deal with Putin.TheScreamingEagles said:
Tim’s losing it. Last night he was positively tumescent about Roe v Wade being overturnedAlastairMeeks said:The nativists aren't happy:
https://twitter.com/montie/status/1012235835197001728
The next few months will be ugly, and let’s hope it’s only a few months...
Be interesting how many of your fellow travellers condemn you.
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But Meeks you seem to know that leavers are hating on everything, the leavers might be like you angry on certain thingsAlastairMeeks said:
Just two points to make about this:Tykejohnno said:
Coming from you on leavers hating ,you hating 17million people every day.AlastairMeeks said:So today Leavers are hating Tony Blair. Yesterday it was the BMA. It must be exhausting keeping all that negative energy pent up, ready to discharge on so many different subjects.
For a group that like to lay claim to patriotism, there's precious little about Britain that they actually like.
1) I don't hate anyone. Hate the sin, not the sinner.
2) My ire is reserved for those responsible for whipping up xenophobia, not for those who were frightened into believing xenophobic lies.
It's Leavers who seem to hate every aspect about this country.0 -
MaxPB said:
Remainers are all traitors, I'm hoping for a mass trial and that we bring back hanging for treason.TheScreamingEagles said:
Leavers are collaborators, their trials will be fun.williamglenn said:
Ambrose Evans-Pritchard is saying that if the EU keeps “intimidating” us we should withdraw our troops from Eastern Europe and do a deal with Putin.TheScreamingEagles said:
Tim’s losing it. Last night he was positively tumescent about Roe v Wade being overturnedAlastairMeeks said:The nativists aren't happy:
https://twitter.com/montie/status/1012235835197001728
The next few months will be ugly, and let’s hope it’s only a few months...
Need to start stop talking about traitors and killing. We already know there are nutters out there who take that stuff literally.0 -
And why were Remainers so eager to predict a recession after the Leave vote ?AlastairMeeks said:
Just two points to make about this:Tykejohnno said:
Coming from you on leavers hating ,you hating 17million people every day.AlastairMeeks said:So today Leavers are hating Tony Blair. Yesterday it was the BMA. It must be exhausting keeping all that negative energy pent up, ready to discharge on so many different subjects.
For a group that like to lay claim to patriotism, there's precious little about Britain that they actually like.
1) I don't hate anyone. Hate the sin, not the sinner.
2) My ire is reserved for those responsible for whipping up xenophobia, not for those who were frightened into believing xenophobic lies.
It's Leavers who seem to hate every aspect about this country.
Including a recession which had a 'dark cloak, a skeletal finger and a voice which speaks in block capitals'.0 -
You seem to think that continuing availability of soft fruits is incompatible with crops rotting in the fields. I'm unclear why. The government seems clear that there's a problem here.another_richard said:
Yet it was Remainers who have subsequently peddled lies including about attacks on immigrants, the City relocating to Frankfurt and the crops rotting in the fields.AlastairMeeks said:
Just two points to make about this:Tykejohnno said:
Coming from you on leavers hating ,you hating 17million people every day.AlastairMeeks said:So today Leavers are hating Tony Blair. Yesterday it was the BMA. It must be exhausting keeping all that negative energy pent up, ready to discharge on so many different subjects.
For a group that like to lay claim to patriotism, there's precious little about Britain that they actually like.
1) I don't hate anyone. Hate the sin, not the sinner.
2) My ire is reserved for those responsible for whipping up xenophobia, not for those who were frightened into believing xenophobic lies.
It's Leavers who seem to hate every aspect about this country.
As for attacks on immigrants, hate crimes were up 29% from 2015/16 to 2016/17 and race hate crimes were up 27% in the same period. So real news.0 -
My sister in law in Germany has a ground heat pump. They're quite common over there. The installation cost is high, especially for the ground type, but they are obviously a very efficient way of heating. They are basically function as an inside-out fridge, cooling the outside and dissipating the heat inside your house.volcanopete said:Interesting feature on climate change in the podcast.I'm ditching gas central heating and switching to electricity from renewables,which I'm convinced will be cheaper in a few years' time, but these air/ground heat pumps are very interesting.Anyone using them or explored the use of them? Both systems appeal because of national security,not having to rely on Qatari gas and Saudi oil,or those pesky Russians.
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The only thing history will show to be chock full of moron's was Cameron's Remain campaign.TOPPING said:
Nah. He was guilty of thinking that the country couldn't possibly vote in favour of anything that Farage, Cash, Redwood, Mogg et al think is a good idea.Jonathan said:
He really screwed up. A relatively decent, bright chap who got carried away by his own mythology. Sad.TheScreamingEagles said:Dave’s quiet because he’s heartbroken about the division and hatred in the country, I know he took the death of Jo Cox quiet badly.
He’s quite upset about the state of the Tory party too.
His error was to think that the country was not chock-full of morons.0 -
According to the latest Yougov, (June 16th) 17% like Tony Blair, and 76% dislike him.Jonathan said:
He is more popular than populist Leavers and Corbynites like to think.Sean_F said:
Seriously, disapproval of Tony Blair is not just confined to Leavers or Corbynites.AlastairMeeks said:
I'm afraid I'm not fleet enough of foot. For now the Leavers have moved on to their next hate target, the CBI.Sean_F said:
There is no section of the population that respects Tony Blair.AlastairMeeks said:So today Leavers are hating Tony Blair. Yesterday it was the BMA. It must be exhausting keeping all that negative energy pent up, ready to discharge on so many different subjects.
For a group that like to lay claim to patriotism, there's precious little about Britain that they actually like.0 -
I was speaking to a plumber recently and he was enthusiastic about heat pumps.volcanopete said:Interesting feature on climate change in the podcast.I'm ditching gas central heating and switching to electricity from renewables,which I'm convinced will be cheaper in a few years' time, but these air/ground heat pumps are very interesting.Anyone using them or explored the use of them? Both systems appeal because of national security,not having to rely on Qatari gas and Saudi oil,or those pesky Russians.
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Guilty conscience I see. You've betrayed your country, you're nothing more than a traitor who wishes to see this great nation subjugated by Brussels for all eternity.TheScreamingEagles said:
Channelling your inner Thomas Mair I see. Sad.MaxPB said:
Remainers are all traitors, I'm hoping for a mass trial and that we bring back hanging for treason.TheScreamingEagles said:
Leavers are collaborators, their trials will be fun.williamglenn said:
Ambrose Evans-Pritchard is saying that if the EU keeps “intimidating” us we should withdraw our troops from Eastern Europe and do a deal with Putin.TheScreamingEagles said:
Tim’s losing it. Last night he was positively tumescent about Roe v Wade being overturnedAlastairMeeks said:The nativists aren't happy:
https://twitter.com/montie/status/1012235835197001728
The next few months will be ugly, and let’s hope it’s only a few months...
Be interesting how many of your fellow travellers condemn you.0 -
Not true.AlastairMeeks said:
You seem to think that continuing availability of soft fruits is incompatible with crops rotting in the fields. I'm unclear why. The government seems clear that there's a problem here.another_richard said:
Yet it was Remainers who have subsequently peddled lies including about attacks on immigrants, the City relocating to Frankfurt and the crops rotting in the fields.AlastairMeeks said:
Just two points to make about this:Tykejohnno said:
Coming from you on leavers hating ,you hating 17million people every day.AlastairMeeks said:So today Leavers are hating Tony Blair. Yesterday it was the BMA. It must be exhausting keeping all that negative energy pent up, ready to discharge on so many different subjects.
For a group that like to lay claim to patriotism, there's precious little about Britain that they actually like.
1) I don't hate anyone. Hate the sin, not the sinner.
2) My ire is reserved for those responsible for whipping up xenophobia, not for those who were frightened into believing xenophobic lies.
It's Leavers who seem to hate every aspect about this country.
As for attacks on immigrants, hate crimes were up 29% from 2015/16 to 2016/17 and race hate crimes were up 27% in the same period. So real news.
The reports of race hate crimes was up - not least due to people being encouraged to report anything and everything as a race hate crime. The actual number of crimes prosecuted dropped by 8%.
Basically people like you were whipping up the idea of an increase in hate crime which when properly investigated turned out to be rubbish.0 -
Mr. (John) L, fudging migration may well not do.
In the short term, conservatives (small c) will back the blues because Corbyn's an off-his--rocker far left idiot. However, longer term, banging on about migration and failing to address it will only create more fuel for a potential far right party.
A big missed opportunity is that the focus is solely on numbers. That misses a major problem those concerned about migration have, namely culture/integration. Nobody minds the Chinese. They come over here, frequently adopt British names, work hard, pay their taxes and may or may not retain their particular cultural heritage.
Gangs of Pakistani ethnicity, however, do not integrate, and we've seen (and continue to see, despite under-reporting by the media) the same pattern of gangs committing sexual crimes, usually against children, over prolonged periods of time with the authorities, at best, performing in a lacklustre fashion.
Political correctness ('cultural sensitivities') stifling open and honest debate has helped fuel this.
The culture and integration matters at least as much as the numbers, but the numbers seem to be all that the media/politicians think about.0 -
Osborne needed a Remain win to become PM, after Leave won his chances of succeeding Cameron disappeared tooJonathan said:
It’s a big what if. If he had stayed in the Commons he would have played his cards more closely to his chest. Would have been a leader in waiting (or not waiting by now).HYUFD said:
Osborne is little different from Anna Soubry in worldview nowJonathan said:
Osborne was hugely successful, too much for May to handle. Would have been really interesting now if he had stayed in the Commons.HYUFD said:
Osborne is more Mandelson than Blair or ThatcherJonathan said:
The truth is that Blair is particularly disliked because he was successful. He unites vanquished Liberals, Cobynites and Conservatives. Thatcher was in a similar position. There is nothing the UK body politic dislikes and fears more than a clever winner.JackW said:
No.rcs1000 said:
Don't you find yourself feeling sickened whenever you see him?Sandpit said:
So long as his ugly mug’s on TV disagreeing with me, then I’m okay with it.rcs1000 said:
I don't actually want to see Tony Blair any more than I absolutely have to.Sandpit said:
Please can we have Tony Blair on TV every day moaning about Brexit? I can’t tnink of a better way of generating support for anything than being opposed by the lying warmongerer.Casino_Royale said:Because Cameron has class.
Blair has none.
Blair is a national politician. Without exception they tell lies, partly because, at times, voters prefer bright sunlit uplands rather than the bleak landscape of reality. That said politicians in power are a mendacious bunch and too many pretty second rate.
I find my personal default position is to expect lying incompetence from the body politic and be amusingly surprised when a modicum of honesty and adequacy rises to the surface.
Osborne gets the same treatment.0 -
We've got one in our house in France as we wanted something we could leave running all the time through winter when we are not there. It works... but go whichever installer specifies the biggest ground loop and the biggest pump. Some do cheap and superficially attractive quotes by undersizing the system and once it's in the ground there is sfa you can do about it. A lot will depend on the land you're going to put it in; the deeper the better and the deeper the dearer. When they started excavating ours they found a flagstone floor from a long demolished forgeron which rather put an expensive crimp in the operation.volcanopete said:Interesting feature on climate change in the podcast.I'm ditching gas central heating and switching to electricity from renewables,which I'm convinced will be cheaper in a few years' time, but these air/ground heat pumps are very interesting.Anyone using them or explored the use of them? Both systems appeal because of national security,not having to rely on Qatari gas and Saudi oil,or those pesky Russians.
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That is a remarkably and unusually self-observant post...MaxPB said:XENOPHOBIC LIES!!!
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Perhaps you could provide some evidence of people actually being convicted of hate crimes associated with Brexit.AlastairMeeks said:
You seem to think that continuing availability of soft fruits is incompatible with crops rotting in the fields. I'm unclear why. The government seems clear that there's a problem here.another_richard said:
Yet it was Remainers who have subsequently peddled lies including about attacks on immigrants, the City relocating to Frankfurt and the crops rotting in the fields.AlastairMeeks said:
Just two points to make about this:Tykejohnno said:
Coming from you on leavers hating ,you hating 17million people every day.AlastairMeeks said:So today Leavers are hating Tony Blair. Yesterday it was the BMA. It must be exhausting keeping all that negative energy pent up, ready to discharge on so many different subjects.
For a group that like to lay claim to patriotism, there's precious little about Britain that they actually like.
1) I don't hate anyone. Hate the sin, not the sinner.
2) My ire is reserved for those responsible for whipping up xenophobia, not for those who were frightened into believing xenophobic lies.
It's Leavers who seem to hate every aspect about this country.
As for attacks on immigrants, hate crimes were up 29% from 2015/16 to 2016/17 and race hate crimes were up 27% in the same period. So real news.
And you know the reason I have doubts about them occurring is if there were such convictions then this site would have had endless numbers of pasted tweets about them.
As to crops rotting in the fields, there's no evidence at all of it while the shops are filled with food and the number of agricultural workers is at a twenty year high.0 -
The desperation of Leave advocates to avoid culpability, in the face of the clearest of evidence, for the effects of their falling in behind xenophobic lies is pitiful. The ONS itself links the rise in part to the referendum campaign.Richard_Tyndall said:
Not true.AlastairMeeks said:
You seem to think that continuing availability of soft fruits is incompatible with crops rotting in the fields. I'm unclear why. The government seems clear that there's a problem here.another_richard said:
Yet it was Remainers who have subsequently peddled lies including about attacks on immigrants, the City relocating to Frankfurt and the crops rotting in the fields.AlastairMeeks said:
Just two points to make about this:Tykejohnno said:
Coming from you on leavers hating ,you hating 17million people every day.AlastairMeeks said:So today Leavers are hating Tony Blair. Yesterday it was the BMA. It must be exhausting keeping all that negative energy pent up, ready to discharge on so many different subjects.
For a group that like to lay claim to patriotism, there's precious little about Britain that they actually like.
1) I don't hate anyone. Hate the sin, not the sinner.
2) My ire is reserved for those responsible for whipping up xenophobia, not for those who were frightened into believing xenophobic lies.
It's Leavers who seem to hate every aspect about this country.
As for attacks on immigrants, hate crimes were up 29% from 2015/16 to 2016/17 and race hate crimes were up 27% in the same period. So real news.
The reports of race hate crimes was up - not least due to people being encouraged to report anything and everything as a race hate crime. The actual number of crimes prosecuted dropped by 8%.
Basically people like you were whipping up the idea of an increase in hate crime which when properly investigated turned out to be rubbish.0 -
Me, are you kidding? Hey, I was with you all the time! That was beautiful! Did you see the way the Leavers fell into our trap? Ha ha!TheScreamingEagles said:
Leavers are collaborators, their trials will be fun.williamglenn said:
Ambrose Evans-Pritchard is saying that if the EU keeps “intimidating” us we should withdraw our troops from Eastern Europe and do a deal with Putin.TheScreamingEagles said:
Tim’s losing it. Last night he was positively tumescent about Roe v Wade being overturnedAlastairMeeks said:The nativists aren't happy:
https://twitter.com/montie/status/1012235835197001728
The next few months will be ugly, and let’s hope it’s only a few months...0 -
I have some sympathy with Cameron and Osborne over this. I think that the campaign was lost before Cameron got involved. Basically it was the two bosses of BSIE, one a labour bod who had failed to get elected and the other the ex Head of Strategy for the Lib Dems (basically responsible for the Lib Dem performance at GE2015). They thought that they would just get a few celebs to tour the TV studies saying "the EU is lovely and only nasty people and nutters would want to leave." For example, they never even did the basics like have a call to action "Vote Remain - blankblankblank" Why should we vote remain? er we do not know.MarqueeMark said:
The only thing history will show to be chock full of moron's was Cameron's Remain campaign.TOPPING said:
Nah. He was guilty of thinking that the country couldn't possibly vote in favour of anything that Farage, Cash, Redwood, Mogg et al think is a good idea.Jonathan said:
He really screwed up. A relatively decent, bright chap who got carried away by his own mythology. Sad.TheScreamingEagles said:Dave’s quiet because he’s heartbroken about the division and hatred in the country, I know he took the death of Jo Cox quiet badly.
He’s quite upset about the state of the Tory party too.
His error was to think that the country was not chock-full of morons.
They met a group of battle hardened professionals, who were ruthless. They had spent 18 months preparing, knew the messages, knew what the electorate would respond to and then they hit the Remain Campaign over the head from day one. I can remember thinking oh no we are going to have months of bent banana's and accounts not signed off and eurocrats, etc.
Then they led with "350 mill for the NHS" and I thought "oh why lead with that," this is interesting and we were off to observe a fascinating campaign. The problem for remain was they were shell shocked as well, and were like rabbits in the headlights from the start until Cameron took over.
By the time Cameron and Osborne could get involved officially they got a hospital pass and really only had one choice, go negative and the only resource they had to do the work was the Treasury so they had to go negative on the economy.
Vote Leave just kept whacking them over the head though.0 -
Our Alistair knows everything like leavers hating and remainers are just angry.another_richard said:
Perhaps you could provide some evidence of people actually being convicted of hate crimes associated with Brexit.AlastairMeeks said:
You seem to think that continuing availability of soft fruits is incompatible with crops rotting in the fields. I'm unclear why. The government seems clear that there's a problem here.another_richard said:
Yet it was Remainers who have subsequently peddled lies including about attacks on immigrants, the City relocating to Frankfurt and the crops rotting in the fields.AlastairMeeks said:
Just two points to make about this:Tykejohnno said:
Coming from you on leavers hating ,you hating 17million people every day.AlastairMeeks said:So today Leavers are hating Tony Blair. Yesterday it was the BMA. It must be exhausting keeping all that negative energy pent up, ready to discharge on so many different subjects.
For a group that like to lay claim to patriotism, there's precious little about Britain that they actually like.
1) I don't hate anyone. Hate the sin, not the sinner.
2) My ire is reserved for those responsible for whipping up xenophobia, not for those who were frightened into believing xenophobic lies.
It's Leavers who seem to hate every aspect about this country.
As for attacks on immigrants, hate crimes were up 29% from 2015/16 to 2016/17 and race hate crimes were up 27% in the same period. So real news.
And you know the reason I have doubts about them occurring is if there were such convictions then this site would have had endless numbers of pasted tweets about them.
As to crops rotting in the fields, there's no evidence at all of it while the shops are filled with food and the number of agricultural workers is at a twenty year high.
I'm sure he can bring hundreds of evidence of convictions associated with brexit.0 -
Four times since the referendum I’ve seen or experienced verbal attacks along the lines of ‘Fuck off home we voted Brexit’, most recently last month in Leeds from supporters of Tommy Robinson, directed towards a Polish chap.another_richard said:
Perhaps you could provide some evidence of people actually being convicted of hate crimes associated with Brexit.AlastairMeeks said:
You seem to think that continuing availability of soft fruits is incompatible with crops rotting in the fields. I'm unclear why. The government seems clear that there's a problem here.another_richard said:
Yet it was Remainers who have subsequently peddled lies including about attacks on immigrants, the City relocating to Frankfurt and the crops rotting in the fields.AlastairMeeks said:
Just two points to make about this:Tykejohnno said:
Coming from you on leavers hating ,you hating 17million people every day.AlastairMeeks said:So today Leavers are hating Tony Blair. Yesterday it was the BMA. It must be exhausting keeping all that negative energy pent up, ready to discharge on so many different subjects.
For a group that like to lay claim to patriotism, there's precious little about Britain that they actually like.
1) I don't hate anyone. Hate the sin, not the sinner.
2) My ire is reserved for those responsible for whipping up xenophobia, not for those who were frightened into believing xenophobic lies.
It's Leavers who seem to hate every aspect about this country.
As for attacks on immigrants, hate crimes were up 29% from 2015/16 to 2016/17 and race hate crimes were up 27% in the same period. So real news.
And you know the reason I have doubts about them occurring is if there were such convictions then this site would have had endless numbers of pasted tweets about them.
As to crops rotting in the fields, there's no evidence at all of it while the shops are filled with food and the number of agricultural workers is at a twenty year high.
So they are happening.
Unless they are physical or recorded there’s a low chance of conviction as it becomes he said/they said so they don’t get reported.0 -
Which Xenophobic lies are these Mr Meeks ? You never seem to be able to specify what they were.AlastairMeeks said:
The desperation of Leave advocates to avoid culpability, in the face of the clearest of evidence, for the effects of their falling in behind xenophobic lies is pitiful. The ONS itself links the rise in part to the referendum campaign.Richard_Tyndall said:
Not true.AlastairMeeks said:
You seem to think that continuing availability of soft fruits is incompatible with crops rotting in the fields. I'm unclear why. The government seems clear that there's a problem here.another_richard said:
Yet it was Remainers who have subsequently peddled lies including about attacks on immigrants, the City relocating to Frankfurt and the crops rotting in the fields.AlastairMeeks said:
Just two points to make about this:Tykejohnno said:
Coming from you on leavers hating ,you hating 17million people every day.AlastairMeeks said:So today Leavers are hating Tony Blair. Yesterday it was the BMA. It must be exhausting keeping all that negative energy pent up, ready to discharge on so many different subjects.
For a group that like to lay claim to patriotism, there's precious little about Britain that they actually like.
1) I don't hate anyone. Hate the sin, not the sinner.
2) My ire is reserved for those responsible for whipping up xenophobia, not for those who were frightened into believing xenophobic lies.
It's Leavers who seem to hate every aspect about this country.
As for attacks on immigrants, hate crimes were up 29% from 2015/16 to 2016/17 and race hate crimes were up 27% in the same period. So real news.
The reports of race hate crimes was up - not least due to people being encouraged to report anything and everything as a race hate crime. The actual number of crimes prosecuted dropped by 8%.
Basically people like you were whipping up the idea of an increase in hate crime which when properly investigated turned out to be rubbish.
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I’m happy to rely on the ONS assessment.Tykejohnno said:
Our Alistair knows everything like leavers hating and remainers are just angry.another_richard said:
Perhaps you could provide some evidence of people actually being convicted of hate crimes associated with Brexit.AlastairMeeks said:
You seem to think that continuing availability of soft fruits is incompatible with crops rotting in the fields. I'm unclear why. The government seems clear that there's a problem here.another_richard said:
Yet it was Remainers who have subsequently peddled lies including about attacks on immigrants, the City relocating to Frankfurt and the crops rotting in the fields.AlastairMeeks said:
Just two points to make about this:Tykejohnno said:
Coming from you on leavers hating ,you hating 17million people every day.AlastairMeeks said:So today Leavers are hating Tony Blair. Yesterday it was the BMA. It must be exhausting keeping all that negative energy pent up, ready to discharge on so many different subjects.
For a group that like to lay claim to patriotism, there's precious little about Britain that they actually like.
1) I don't hate anyone. Hate the sin, not the sinner.
2) My ire is reserved for those responsible for whipping up xenophobia, not for those who were frightened into believing xenophobic lies.
It's Leavers who seem to hate every aspect about this country.
As for attacks on immigrants, hate crimes were up 29% from 2015/16 to 2016/17 and race hate crimes were up 27% in the same period. So real news.
And you know the reason I have doubts about them occurring is if there were such convictions then this site would have had endless numbers of pasted tweets about them.
As to crops rotting in the fields, there's no evidence at all of it while the shops are filled with food and the number of agricultural workers is at a twenty year high.
I'm sure he can bring hundreds of evidence of convictions associated with brexit.
The general public agrees, it seems. The one time I have found that they were asked, they thought Britain had become more racist since the referendum.0 -
Sean_F said:
There is no section of the population that respects Tony Blair.AlastairMeeks said:So today Leavers are hating Tony Blair. Yesterday it was the BMA. It must be exhausting keeping all that negative energy pent up, ready to discharge on so many different subjects.
For a group that like to lay claim to patriotism, there's precious little about Britain that they actually like.
There is a (small) chunk that does.Sean_F said:
There is no section of the population that respects Tony Blair.AlastairMeeks said:So today Leavers are hating Tony Blair. Yesterday it was the BMA. It must be exhausting keeping all that negative energy pent up, ready to discharge on so many different subjects.
For a group that like to lay claim to patriotism, there's precious little about Britain that they actually like.
Now and then I meet successful middle class professionals who work in town and live in the Home Counties who are very centrist and liberal (internationally) who had time for him. I’d even argue George Osborne was one.
But, they can’t exceed 10% or so of the electorate.0 -
You wish to believe that the campaign was a battle between the forces of light and the forces of darkness.AlastairMeeks said:
The desperation of Leave advocates to avoid culpability, in the face of the clearest of evidence, for the effects of their falling in behind xenophobic lies is pitiful. The ONS itself links the rise in part to the referendum campaign.Richard_Tyndall said:
Not true.AlastairMeeks said:
You seem to think that continuing availability of soft fruits is incompatible with crops rotting in the fields. I'm unclear why. The government seems clear that there's a problem here.another_richard said:
Yet it was Remainers who have subsequently peddled lies including about attacks on immigrants, the City relocating to Frankfurt and the crops rotting in the fields.AlastairMeeks said:
Just two points to make about this:Tykejohnno said:
Coming from you on leavers hating ,you hating 17million people every day.AlastairMeeks said:So today Leavers are hating Tony Blair. Yesterday it was the BMA. It must be exhausting keeping all that negative energy pent up, ready to discharge on so many different subjects.
For a group that like to lay claim to patriotism, there's precious little about Britain that they actually like.
1) I don't hate anyone. Hate the sin, not the sinner.
2) My ire is reserved for those responsible for whipping up xenophobia, not for those who were frightened into believing xenophobic lies.
It's Leavers who seem to hate every aspect about this country.
As for attacks on immigrants, hate crimes were up 29% from 2015/16 to 2016/17 and race hate crimes were up 27% in the same period. So real news.
The reports of race hate crimes was up - not least due to people being encouraged to report anything and everything as a race hate crime. The actual number of crimes prosecuted dropped by 8%.
Basically people like you were whipping up the idea of an increase in hate crime which when properly investigated turned out to be rubbish.0 -
Which townCasino_Royale said:Sean_F said:
There is no section of the population that respects Tony Blair.AlastairMeeks said:So today Leavers are hating Tony Blair. Yesterday it was the BMA. It must be exhausting keeping all that negative energy pent up, ready to discharge on so many different subjects.
For a group that like to lay claim to patriotism, there's precious little about Britain that they actually like.
There is a (small) chunk that does.Sean_F said:
There is no section of the population that respects Tony Blair.AlastairMeeks said:So today Leavers are hating Tony Blair. Yesterday it was the BMA. It must be exhausting keeping all that negative energy pent up, ready to discharge on so many different subjects.
For a group that like to lay claim to patriotism, there's precious little about Britain that they actually like.
Now and then I meet successful middle class professionals who work in town and live in the Home Counties who are very centrist and liberal (internationally) who had time for him. I’d even argue George Osborne was one.
But, they can’t exceed 10% or so of the electorate. ? 0 -
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"thought"AlastairMeeks said:
I’m happy to rely on the ONS assessment.Tykejohnno said:
Our Alistair knows everything like leavers hating and remainers are just angry.another_richard said:
Perhaps you could provide some evidence of people actually being convicted of hate crimes associated with Brexit.AlastairMeeks said:
You seem to think that continuing availability of soft fruits is incompatible with crops rotting in the fields. I'm unclear why. The government seems clear that there's a problem here.another_richard said:
Yet it was Remainers who have subsequently peddled lies including about attacks on immigrants, the City relocating to Frankfurt and the crops rotting in the fields.AlastairMeeks said:
Just two points to make about this:Tykejohnno said:
Coming from you on leavers hating ,you hating 17million people every day.AlastairMeeks said:So today Leavers are hating Tony Blair. Yesterday it was the BMA. It must be exhausting keeping all that negative energy pent up, ready to discharge on so many different subjects.
For a group that like to lay claim to patriotism, there's precious little about Britain that they actually like.
1) I don't hate anyone. Hate the sin, not the sinner.
2) My ire is reserved for those responsible for whipping up xenophobia, not for those who were frightened into believing xenophobic lies.
It's Leavers who seem to hate every aspect about this country.
As for attacks on immigrants, hate crimes were up 29% from 2015/16 to 2016/17 and race hate crimes were up 27% in the same period. So real news.
And you know the reason I have doubts about them occurring is if there were such convictions then this site would have had endless numbers of pasted tweets about them.
As to crops rotting in the fields, there's no evidence at all of it while the shops are filled with food and the number of agricultural workers is at a twenty year high.
I'm sure he can bring hundreds of evidence of convictions associated with brexit.
The general public agrees, it seems. The one time I have found that they were asked, they thought Britain had become more racist since the referendum.
Lol.
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The Liz Truss fan club at the Telegraph has more today.
Liz Truss, the chief secretary to the Treasury, has done her reputation with the party’s Thatcherite wing a world of good with her brilliant speech on Monday. Speaking to the London School of Economics, she delivered the most pro-liberty and pro-capitalist speech I have heard from a senior Tory in years.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/06/28/javid-truss-dream-team-reviving-hopes-thatcherite-tories/0 -
So you are claiming the Police and CPS are part of some conspiracy to under-prosecute hate crimes?AlastairMeeks said:
The desperation of Leave advocates to avoid culpability, in the face of the clearest of evidence, for the effects of their falling in behind xenophobic lies is pitiful. The ONS itself links the rise in part to the referendum campaign.Richard_Tyndall said:
Not true.AlastairMeeks said:
You seem to think that continuing availability of soft fruits is incompatible with crops rotting in the fields. I'm unclear why. The government seems clear that there's a problem here.another_richard said:
Yet it was Remainers who have subsequently peddled lies including about attacks on immigrants, the City relocating to Frankfurt and the crops rotting in the fields.AlastairMeeks said:
Just two points to make about this:Tykejohnno said:
Coming from you on leavers hating ,you hating 17million people every day.AlastairMeeks said:So today Leavers are hating Tony Blair. Yesterday it was the BMA. It must be exhausting keeping all that negative energy pent up, ready to discharge on so many different subjects.
For a group that like to lay claim to patriotism, there's precious little about Britain that they actually like.
1) I don't hate anyone. Hate the sin, not the sinner.
2) My ire is reserved for those responsible for whipping up xenophobia, not for those who were frightened into believing xenophobic lies.
It's Leavers who seem to hate every aspect about this country.
As for attacks on immigrants, hate crimes were up 29% from 2015/16 to 2016/17 and race hate crimes were up 27% in the same period. So real news.
The reports of race hate crimes was up - not least due to people being encouraged to report anything and everything as a race hate crime. The actual number of crimes prosecuted dropped by 8%.
Basically people like you were whipping up the idea of an increase in hate crime which when properly investigated turned out to be rubbish.
As lunatic conspiracies go it is a good one. Mind you your sanity has long been questionable when it comes to this topic.0 -
To be honest, we've noticed it as well. One of my wife's closest friends is an Austrian married to an Australian and living here with their kids. They're now migrating to Australia, having experienced post-Brexit nastiness. Their kid has had a tough time at school for her background and they've had enough of her coming home in tears (and they've experienced it directly as well).TheScreamingEagles said:
Four times since the referendum I’ve seen or experienced verbal attacks along the lines of ‘Fuck off home we voted Brexit’, most recently last month in Leeds from supporters of Tommy Robinson, directed towards a Polish chap.another_richard said:
Perhaps you could provide some evidence of people actually being convicted of hate crimes associated with Brexit.AlastairMeeks said:
You seem to think that continuing availability of soft fruits is incompatible with crops rotting in the fields. I'm unclear why. The government seems clear that there's a problem here.another_richard said:
Yet it was Remainers who have subsequently peddled lies including about attacks on immigrants, the City relocating to Frankfurt and the crops rotting in the fields.AlastairMeeks said:
Just two points to make about this:Tykejohnno said:
Coming from you on leavers hating ,you hating 17million people every day.AlastairMeeks said:So today Leavers are hating Tony Blair. Yesterday it was the BMA. It must be exhausting keeping all that negative energy pent up, ready to discharge on so many different subjects.
For a group that like to lay claim to patriotism, there's precious little about Britain that they actually like.
1) I don't hate anyone. Hate the sin, not the sinner.
2) My ire is reserved for those responsible for whipping up xenophobia, not for those who were frightened into believing xenophobic lies.
It's Leavers who seem to hate every aspect about this country.
As for attacks on immigrants, hate crimes were up 29% from 2015/16 to 2016/17 and race hate crimes were up 27% in the same period. So real news.
And you know the reason I have doubts about them occurring is if there were such convictions then this site would have had endless numbers of pasted tweets about them.
As to crops rotting in the fields, there's no evidence at all of it while the shops are filled with food and the number of agricultural workers is at a twenty year high.
So they are happening.
Unless they are physical or recorded there’s a low chance of conviction as it becomes he said/they said so they don’t get reported.0 -
Apparently the Police and CPS have had a campaign to.ignore hate crimes because they are all rampant BrexiteersTGOHF said:
Which Xenophobic lies are these Mr Meeks ? You never seem to be able to specify what they were.AlastairMeeks said:
The desperation of Leave advocates to avoid culpability, in the face of the clearest of evidence, for the effects of their falling in behind xenophobic lies is pitiful. The ONS itself links the rise in part to the referendum campaign.Richard_Tyndall said:
Not true.AlastairMeeks said:
You seem to think that continuing availability of soft fruits is incompatible with crops rotting in the fields. I'm unclear why. The government seems clear that there's a problem here.another_richard said:
Yet it was Remainers who have subsequently peddled lies including about attacks on immigrants, the City relocating to Frankfurt and the crops rotting in the fields.AlastairMeeks said:
Just two points to make about this:Tykejohnno said:
Coming from you on leavers hating ,you hating 17million people every day.AlastairMeeks said:So today Leavers are hating Tony Blair. Yesterday it was the BMA. It must be exhausting keeping all that negative energy pent up, ready to discharge on so many different subjects.
For a group that like to lay claim to patriotism, there's precious little about Britain that they actually like.
1) I don't hate anyone. Hate the sin, not the sinner.
2) My ire is reserved for those responsible for whipping up xenophobia, not for those who were frightened into believing xenophobic lies.
It's Leavers who seem to hate every aspect about this country.
As for attacks on immigrants, hate crimes were up 29% from 2015/16 to 2016/17 and race hate crimes were up 27% in the same period. So real news.
The reports of race hate crimes was up - not least due to people being encouraged to report anything and everything as a race hate crime. The actual number of crimes prosecuted dropped by 8%.
Basically people like you were whipping up the idea of an increase in hate crime which when properly investigated turned out to be rubbish.0 -
For instance, a few years ago when pedophilia was in the news, I seem to recall that somebody stoned an office with a plaque saying "pediatrician".Jonathan said:MaxPB said:
Remainers are all traitors, I'm hoping for a mass trial and that we bring back hanging for treason.TheScreamingEagles said:
Leavers are collaborators, their trials will be fun.williamglenn said:
Ambrose Evans-Pritchard is saying that if the EU keeps “intimidating” us we should withdraw our troops from Eastern Europe and do a deal with Putin.TheScreamingEagles said:
Tim’s losing it. Last night he was positively tumescent about Roe v Wade being overturnedAlastairMeeks said:The nativists aren't happy:
https://twitter.com/montie/status/1012235835197001728
The next few months will be ugly, and let’s hope it’s only a few months...
Need to start stop talking about traitors and killing. We already know there are nutters out there who take that stuff literally.0 -
I heard one of the biggest hate crimes was believing Cameron and the EU when they said Turkey could join the EU - utterly despicable that people would choose to believe their PM.Richard_Tyndall said:
Apparently the Police and CPS have had a campaign to.ignore hate crimes because they are all rampant BrexiteersTGOHF said:
Which Xenophobic lies are these Mr Meeks ? You never seem to be able to specify what they were.AlastairMeeks said:
The desperation of Leave advocates to avoid culpability, in the face of the clearest of evidence, for the effects of their falling in behind xenophobic lies is pitiful. The ONS itself links the rise in part to the referendum campaign.Richard_Tyndall said:
Not true.AlastairMeeks said:
You seem to think that continuing availability of soft fruits is incompatible with crops rotting in the fields. I'm unclear why. The government seems clear that there's a problem here.another_richard said:
Yet it was Remainers who have subsequently peddled lies including about attacks on immigrants, the City relocating to Frankfurt and the crops rotting in the fields.AlastairMeeks said:
Just two points to make about this:Tykejohnno said:
Coming from you on leavers hating ,you hating 17million people every day.AlastairMeeks said:So today Leavers are hating Tony Blair. Yesterday it was the BMA. It must be exhausting keeping all that negative energy pent up, ready to discharge on so many different subjects.
For a group that like to lay claim to patriotism, there's precious little about Britain that they actually like.
1) I don't hate anyone. Hate the sin, not the sinner.
2) My ire is reserved for those responsible for whipping up xenophobia, not for those who were frightened into believing xenophobic lies.
It's Leavers who seem to hate every aspect about this country.
As for attacks on immigrants, hate crimes were up 29% from 2015/16 to 2016/17 and race hate crimes were up 27% in the same period. So real news.
The reports of race hate crimes was up - not least due to people being encouraged to report anything and everything as a race hate crime. The actual number of crimes prosecuted dropped by 8%.
Basically people like you were whipping up the idea of an increase in hate crime which when properly investigated turned out to be rubbish.
I'm disgusted.
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Mr. Eagles/Mr. Cooke, sorry to hear that.
If migration continue to be talked about but action to be utterly absent/inadequate, I fear it will only get worse.0 -
Yet we are told reports of hate crimes soared.TheScreamingEagles said:
Four times since the referendum I’ve seen or experienced verbal attacks along the lines of ‘Fuck off home we voted Brexit’, most recently last month in Leeds from supporters of Tommy Robinson, directed towards a Polish chap.another_richard said:
Perhaps you could provide some evidence of people actually being convicted of hate crimes associated with Brexit.AlastairMeeks said:
You seem to think that continuing availability of soft fruits is incompatible with crops rotting in the fields. I'm unclear why. The government seems clear that there's a problem here.another_richard said:
Yet it was Remainers who have subsequently peddled lies including about attacks on immigrants, the City relocating to Frankfurt and the crops rotting in the fields.AlastairMeeks said:
Just two points to make about this:Tykejohnno said:
Coming from you on leavers hating ,you hating 17million people every day.AlastairMeeks said:So today Leavers are hating Tony Blair. Yesterday it was the BMA. It must be exhausting keeping all that negative energy pent up, ready to discharge on so many different subjects.
For a group that like to lay claim to patriotism, there's precious little about Britain that they actually like.
1) I don't hate anyone. Hate the sin, not the sinner.
2) My ire is reserved for those responsible for whipping up xenophobia, not for those who were frightened into believing xenophobic lies.
It's Leavers who seem to hate every aspect about this country.
As for attacks on immigrants, hate crimes were up 29% from 2015/16 to 2016/17 and race hate crimes were up 27% in the same period. So real news.
And you know the reason I have doubts about them occurring is if there were such convictions then this site would have had endless numbers of pasted tweets about them.
As to crops rotting in the fields, there's no evidence at all of it while the shops are filled with food and the number of agricultural workers is at a twenty year high.
So they are happening.
Unless they are physical or recorded there’s a low chance of conviction as it becomes he said/they said so they don’t get reported.
So where are the convictions ?
We all know that the authorities would have been very happy to take action.0 -
On predictit:
Kavanaugh, Barrett, Kethledge, Hardiman, Tharpar all over 10% probability for SCOTUS0 -
I have not so far made any comment on the prosecution rates. There can be any number of reasons why cases do not get prosecuted. No conspiracy is required.Richard_Tyndall said:
So you are claiming the Police and CPS are part of some conspiracy to under-prosecute hate crimes?AlastairMeeks said:
The desperation of Leave advocates to avoid culpability, in the face of the clearest of evidence, for the effects of their falling in behind xenophobic lies is pitiful. The ONS itself links the rise in part to the referendum campaign.Richard_Tyndall said:
Not true.AlastairMeeks said:
You seem to think that continuing availability of soft fruits is incompatible with crops rotting in the fields. I'm unclear why. The government seems clear that there's a problem here.another_richard said:
Yet it was Remainers who have subsequently peddled lies including about attacks on immigrants, the City relocating to Frankfurt and the crops rotting in the fields.AlastairMeeks said:
Just two points to make about this:Tykejohnno said:
Coming from you on leavers hating ,you hating 17million people every day.AlastairMeeks said:So today Leavers are hating Tony Blair. Yesterday it was the BMA. It must be exhausting keeping all that negative energy pent up, ready to discharge on so many different subjects.
For a group that like to lay claim to patriotism, there's precious little about Britain that they actually like.
1) I don't hate anyone. Hate the sin, not the sinner.
2) My ire is reserved for those responsible for whipping up xenophobia, not for those who were frightened into believing xenophobic lies.
It's Leavers who seem to hate every aspect about this country.
As for attacks on immigrants, hate crimes were up 29% from 2015/16 to 2016/17 and race hate crimes were up 27% in the same period. So real news.
The reports of race hate crimes was up - not least due to people being encouraged to report anything and everything as a race hate crime. The actual number of crimes prosecuted dropped by 8%.
Basically people like you were whipping up the idea of an increase in hate crime which when properly investigated turned out to be rubbish.
As lunatic conspiracies go it is a good one. Mind you your sanity has long been questionable when it comes to this topic.
The lunatic conspiracy is to decide to disregard ONS statistics because they are inconvenient to you.0 -
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Just for you:TGOHF said:
"thought"AlastairMeeks said:
I’m happy to rely on the ONS assessment.Tykejohnno said:
Our Alistair knows everything like leavers hating and remainers are just angry.another_richard said:
Perhaps you could provide some evidence of people actually being convicted of hate crimes associated with Brexit.AlastairMeeks said:
You seem to think that continuing availability of soft fruits is incompatible with crops rotting in the fields. I'm unclear why. The government seems clear that there's a problem here.another_richard said:
Yet it was Remainers who have subsequently peddled lies including about attacks on immigrants, the City relocating to Frankfurt and the crops rotting in the fields.AlastairMeeks said:
Just two points to make about this:Tykejohnno said:
Coming from you on leavers hating ,you hating 17million people every day.AlastairMeeks said:So today Leavers are hating Tony Blair. Yesterday it was the BMA. It must be exhausting keeping all that negative energy pent up, ready to discharge on so many different subjects.
For a group that like to lay claim to patriotism, there's precious little about Britain that they actually like.
1) I don't hate anyone. Hate the sin, not the sinner.
2) My ire is reserved for those responsible for whipping up xenophobia, not for those who were frightened into believing xenophobic lies.
It's Leavers who seem to hate every aspect about this country.
As for attacks on immigrants, hate crimes were up 29% from 2015/16 to 2016/17 and race hate crimes were up 27% in the same period. So real news.
And you know the reason I have doubts about them occurring is if there were such convictions then this site would have had endless numbers of pasted tweets about them.
As to crops rotting in the fields, there's no evidence at all of it while the shops are filled with food and the number of agricultural workers is at a twenty year high.
I'm sure he can bring hundreds of evidence of convictions associated with brexit.
The general public agrees, it seems. The one time I have found that they were asked, they thought Britain had become more racist since the referendum.
Lol.
https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-britain-sky-data-poll-reveals-a-nation-divided-10713985
57% of people thought Britain had become more racist than a year previously at the start of 2017.
I have not seen more recent polling - has anyone else?0 -
17% is a lot more than "no section" and not at all bad for a retired politician, let alone one that gets the populists and the Corbynites ranting. Better than most hopefuls for next Tory leader.Sean_F said:
According to the latest Yougov, (June 16th) 17% like Tony Blair, and 76% dislike him.Jonathan said:
He is more popular than populist Leavers and Corbynites like to think.Sean_F said:
Seriously, disapproval of Tony Blair is not just confined to Leavers or Corbynites.AlastairMeeks said:
I'm afraid I'm not fleet enough of foot. For now the Leavers have moved on to their next hate target, the CBI.Sean_F said:
There is no section of the population that respects Tony Blair.AlastairMeeks said:So today Leavers are hating Tony Blair. Yesterday it was the BMA. It must be exhausting keeping all that negative energy pent up, ready to discharge on so many different subjects.
For a group that like to lay claim to patriotism, there's precious little about Britain that they actually like.
Give him a couple of months on the campaign stump and he could get back to the 35% he needed to win a majority.0 -
As has been observed on here before, there is a difference between a hate crime and a hate incident. Many people seem happy to conflate the latter with the former.Richard_Tyndall said:
So you are claiming the Police and CPS are part of some conspiracy to under-prosecute hate crimes?AlastairMeeks said:
The desperation of Leave advocates to avoid culpability, in the face of the clearest of evidence, for the effects of their falling in behind xenophobic lies is pitiful. The ONS itself links the rise in part to the referendum campaign.Richard_Tyndall said:
Not true.AlastairMeeks said:
You seem to think that continuing availability of soft fruits is incompatible with crops rotting in the fields. I'm unclear why. The government seems clear that there's a problem here.another_richard said:
Yet it was Remainers who have subsequently peddled lies including about attacks on immigrants, the City relocating to Frankfurt and the crops rotting in the fields.AlastairMeeks said:
Just two points to make about this:Tykejohnno said:
Coming from you on leavers hating ,you hating 17million people every day.AlastairMeeks said:So today Leavers are hating Tony Blair. Yesterday it was the BMA. It must be exhausting keeping all that negative energy pent up, ready to discharge on so many different subjects.
For a group that like to lay claim to patriotism, there's precious little about Britain that they actually like.
1) I don't hate anyone. Hate the sin, not the sinner.
2) My ire is reserved for those responsible for whipping up xenophobia, not for those who were frightened into believing xenophobic lies.
It's Leavers who seem to hate every aspect about this country.
As for attacks on immigrants, hate crimes were up 29% from 2015/16 to 2016/17 and race hate crimes were up 27% in the same period. So real news.
The reports of race hate crimes was up - not least due to people being encouraged to report anything and everything as a race hate crime. The actual number of crimes prosecuted dropped by 8%.
Basically people like you were whipping up the idea of an increase in hate crime which when properly investigated turned out to be rubbish.
As lunatic conspiracies go it is a good one. Mind you your sanity has long been questionable when it comes to this topic.0 -
They fail the evidentiary test because of a lack of recorded evidence.another_richard said:
Yet we are told reports of hate crimes soared.TheScreamingEagles said:
Four times since the referendum I’ve seen or experienced verbal attacks along the lines of ‘Fuck off home we voted Brexit’, most recently last month in Leeds from supporters of Tommy Robinson, directed towards a Polish chap.another_richard said:
Perhaps you could provide some evidence of people actually being convicted of hate crimes associated with Brexit.AlastairMeeks said:
You seem to think that continuing availability of soft fruits is incompatible with crops rotting in the fields. I'm unclear why. The government seems clear that there's a problem here.another_richard said:
Yet it was Remainers who have subsequently peddled lies including about attacks on immigrants, the City relocating to Frankfurt and the crops rotting in the fields.AlastairMeeks said:
Just two points to make about this:Tykejohnno said:
Coming from you on leavers hating ,you hating 17million people every day.AlastairMeeks said:So today Leavers are hating Tony Blair. Yesterday it was the BMA. It must be exhausting keeping all that negative energy pent up, ready to discharge on so many different subjects.
For a group that like to lay claim to patriotism, there's precious little about Britain that they actually like.
1) I don't hate anyone. Hate the sin, not the sinner.
2) My ire is reserved for those responsible for whipping up xenophobia, not for those who were frightened into believing xenophobic lies.
It's Leavers who seem to hate every aspect about this country.
As for attacks on immigrants, hate crimes were up 29% from 2015/16 to 2016/17 and race hate crimes were up 27% in the same period. So real news.
And you know the reason I have doubts about them occurring is if there were such convictions then this site would have had endless numbers of pasted tweets about them.
As to crops rotting in the fields, there's no evidence at all of it while the shops are filled with food and the number of agricultural workers is at a twenty year high.
So they are happening.
Unless they are physical or recorded there’s a low chance of conviction as it becomes he said/they said so they don’t get reported.
So where are the convictions ?
We all know that the authorities would have been very happy to take action.
The courts can’t lower the bar.0 -
There was a choice, one was better than the other.Sean_F said:
You wish to believe that the campaign was a battle between the forces of light and the forces of darkness.AlastairMeeks said:
The desperation of Leave advocates to avoid culpability, in the face of the clearest of evidence, for the effects of their falling in behind xenophobic lies is pitiful. The ONS itself links the rise in part to the referendum campaign.Richard_Tyndall said:
Not true.AlastairMeeks said:
You seem to think that continuing availability of soft fruits is incompatible with crops rotting in the fields. I'm unclear why. The government seems clear that there's a problem here.another_richard said:
Yet it was Remainers who have subsequently peddled lies including about attacks on immigrants, the City relocating to Frankfurt and the crops rotting in the fields.AlastairMeeks said:
Just two points to make about this:Tykejohnno said:
Coming from you on leavers hating ,you hating 17million people every day.AlastairMeeks said:So today Leavers are hating Tony Blair. Yesterday it was the BMA. It must be exhausting keeping all that negative energy pent up, ready to discharge on so many different subjects.
For a group that like to lay claim to patriotism, there's precious little about Britain that they actually like.
1) I don't hate anyone. Hate the sin, not the sinner.
2) My ire is reserved for those responsible for whipping up xenophobia, not for those who were frightened into believing xenophobic lies.
It's Leavers who seem to hate every aspect about this country.
As for attacks on immigrants, hate crimes were up 29% from 2015/16 to 2016/17 and race hate crimes were up 27% in the same period. So real news.
The reports of race hate crimes was up - not least due to people being encouraged to report anything and everything as a race hate crime. The actual number of crimes prosecuted dropped by 8%.
Basically people like you were whipping up the idea of an increase in hate crime which when properly investigated turned out to be rubbish.
The worse choice won by a small margin.
See also Trump's election.0 -
IIRC, there was a Private eye cartoon of someone running away from a mob saying: "I'm a paediatrician!"Toms said:
For instance, a few years ago when pedophilia was in the news, I seem to recall that somebody stoned an office with a plaque saying "pediatrician".Jonathan said:MaxPB said:
Remainers are all traitors, I'm hoping for a mass trial and that we bring back hanging for treason.TheScreamingEagles said:
Leavers are collaborators, their trials will be fun.williamglenn said:
Ambrose Evans-Pritchard is saying that if the EU keeps “intimidating” us we should withdraw our troops from Eastern Europe and do a deal with Putin.TheScreamingEagles said:
Tim’s losing it. Last night he was positively tumescent about Roe v Wade being overturnedAlastairMeeks said:The nativists aren't happy:
https://twitter.com/montie/status/1012235835197001728
The next few months will be ugly, and let’s hope it’s only a few months...
Need to start stop talking about traitors and killing. We already know there are nutters out there who take that stuff literally.
A short while later, it actually happened.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/aug/30/childprotection.society0 -
I guess we won't be seeing David Miliband back in front line politics:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-446400860 -
So in spite of attacks apparently going up by 27% the Police managed to find evidence in 8% fewer cases than in the previous year.TheScreamingEagles said:
They fail the evidentiary test because of a lack of recorded evidence.another_richard said:
Yet we are told reports of hate crimes soared.TheScreamingEagles said:
Four times since the referendum I’ve seen or experienced verbal attacks along the lines of ‘Fuck off home we voted Brexit’, most recently last month in Leeds from supporters of Tommy Robinson, directed towards a Polish chap.another_richard said:
Perhaps you could provide some evidence of people actually being convicted of hate crimes associated with Brexit.AlastairMeeks said:
You seem to think that continuing availability of soft fruits is incompatible with crops rotting in the fields. I'm unclear why. The government seems clear that there's a problem here.another_richard said:
Yet it was Remainers who have subsequently peddled lies including about attacks on immigrants, the City relocating to Frankfurt and the crops rotting in the fields.AlastairMeeks said:
Just two points to make about this:Tykejohnno said:
Coming from you on leavers hating ,you hating 17million people every day.AlastairMeeks said:So today Leavers are hating Tony Blair. Yesterday it was the BMA. It must be exhausting keeping all that negative energy pent up, ready to discharge on so many different subjects.
For a group that like to lay claim to patriotism, there's precious little about Britain that they actually like.
1) I don't hate anyone. Hate the sin, not the sinner.
2) My ire is reserved for those responsible for whipping up xenophobia, not for those who were frightened into believing xenophobic lies.
It's Leavers who seem to hate every aspect about this country.
As for attacks on immigrants, hate crimes were up 29% from 2015/16 to 2016/17 and race hate crimes were up 27% in the same period. So real news.
And you know the reason I have doubts about them occurring is if there were such convictions then this site would have had endless numbers of pasted tweets about them.
As to crops rotting in the fields, there's no evidence at all of it while the shops are filled with food and the number of agricultural workers is at a twenty year high.
So they are happening.
Unless they are physical or recorded there’s a low chance of conviction as it becomes he said/they said so they don’t get reported.
So where are the convictions ?
We all know that the authorities would have been very happy to take action.
The courts can’t lower the bar.
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In last week's New Statesman, Nick Timothy had a long article about future of Tories, political philosophy, Edmund Burke etc. Quite a good read.DecrepitJohnL said:The Liz Truss fan club at the Telegraph has more today.
Liz Truss, the chief secretary to the Treasury, has done her reputation with the party’s Thatcherite wing a world of good with her brilliant speech on Monday. Speaking to the London School of Economics, she delivered the most pro-liberty and pro-capitalist speech I have heard from a senior Tory in years.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/06/28/javid-truss-dream-team-reviving-hopes-thatcherite-tories/
Interestingly, he has a go at Tory libertarians who love reading Ayn Rand.
Did he know, when writing this, that Javid is a big fan of Rand and claims to reread a chapter or two of her books every year?0 -
An England striker scores a hat-trick at the highpoint of their campaign. It fits perfectly. Oh.TheScreamingEagles said:Grasping at straws I fear.
https://twitter.com/bbcmotd/status/1012071462944034823?s=210 -
But Alistair specifically said hate crimes. Which is also the data set I referenced.tlg86 said:
As has been observed on here before, there is a difference between a hate crime and a hate incident. Many people seem happy to conflate the latter with the former.Richard_Tyndall said:
So you are claiming the Police and CPS are part of some conspiracy to under-prosecute hate crimes?AlastairMeeks said:
The desperation of Leave advocates to avoid culpability, in the face of the clearest of evidence, for the effects of their falling in behind xenophobic lies is pitiful. The ONS itself links the rise in part to the referendum campaign.Richard_Tyndall said:
Not true.AlastairMeeks said:
You seem to think that continuing availability of soft fruits is incompatible with crops rotting in the fields. I'm unclear why. The government seems clear that there's a problem here.another_richard said:
Yet it was Remainers who have subsequently peddled lies including about attacks on immigrants, the City relocating to Frankfurt and the crops rotting in the fields.AlastairMeeks said:
Just two points to make about this:Tykejohnno said:
Coming from you on leavers hating ,you hating 17million people every day.AlastairMeeks said:So today Leavers are hating Tony Blair. Yesterday it was the BMA. It must be exhausting keeping all that negative energy pent up, ready to discharge on so many different subjects.
For a group that like to lay claim to patriotism, there's precious little about Britain that they actually like.
1) I don't hate anyone. Hate the sin, not the sinner.
2) My ire is reserved for those responsible for whipping up xenophobia, not for those who were frightened into believing xenophobic lies.
It's Leavers who seem to hate every aspect about this country.
As for attacks on immigrants, hate crimes were up 29% from 2015/16 to 2016/17 and race hate crimes were up 27% in the same period. So real news.
The reports of race hate crimes was up - not least due to people being encouraged to report anything and everything as a race hate crime. The actual number of crimes prosecuted dropped by 8%.
Basically people like you were whipping up the idea of an increase in hate crime which when properly investigated turned out to be rubbish.
As lunatic conspiracies go it is a good one. Mind you your sanity has long been questionable when it comes to this topic.
Basically he is thrashing around desperately trying to prove his case and failing dismally.0 -
Meanwhile stabbings in London up 23% yoy...Richard_Tyndall said:
So in spite of attacks apparently going up by 27% the Police managed to find evidence in 8% fewer cases than in the previous year.0 -
Good on them. If anyone needs to be located in an English-speaking, common-law, low-tax country inside the EU after Brexit, Malta is an excellent choice. Much better weather than Ireland.williamglenn said:Posted without comment.
https://twitter.com/lordashcroft/status/1012217151711842305?s=210 -
Good grief. He is a glutton for punishment. Atlas Shrugged is the most turgid of books.rottenborough said:
In last week's New Statesman, Nick Timothy had a long article about future of Tories, political philosophy, Edmund Burke etc. Quite a good read.DecrepitJohnL said:The Liz Truss fan club at the Telegraph has more today.
Liz Truss, the chief secretary to the Treasury, has done her reputation with the party’s Thatcherite wing a world of good with her brilliant speech on Monday. Speaking to the London School of Economics, she delivered the most pro-liberty and pro-capitalist speech I have heard from a senior Tory in years.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/06/28/javid-truss-dream-team-reviving-hopes-thatcherite-tories/
Interestingly, he has a go at Tory libertarians who love reading Ayn Rand.
Did he know, when writing this, that Javid is a big fan of Rand and claims to reread a chapter or two of her books every year?0 -
Yes, that’s what happens when the attacks are verbal in nature, there’s less evidence available.Richard_Tyndall said:
So in spite of attacks apparently going up by 27% the Police managed to find evidence in 8% fewer cases than in the previous year.0 -
The only thing is they'll look a bit silly if Malta maltexits over migrant boat issues, and then implements THER WILL OF THER PEOPLE as per the 1956 referendum.Sandpit said:
Good on them. If anyone needs to be located in an English-speaking, common-law, low-tax country inside the EU after Brexit, Malta is an excellent choice. Much better weather than Ireland.williamglenn said:Posted without comment.
https://twitter.com/lordashcroft/status/1012217151711842305?s=210 -
My brother-in-law is having his house built in West Cork right now and he will have an air source heat pump installed. He told me that the pace of development in them recently is very fast, so he's waiting until the last moment to choose a model to install. He will use his to partially heat his hot water too.volcanopete said:Interesting feature on climate change in the podcast.I'm ditching gas central heating and switching to electricity from renewables,which I'm convinced will be cheaper in a few years' time, but these air/ground heat pumps are very interesting.Anyone using them or explored the use of them? Both systems appeal because of national security,not having to rely on Qatari gas and Saudi oil,or those pesky Russians.
Britain and Ireland don't have the cold temperatures in winter to require a ground source heat pump.0 -
It's also covered in fucking rubbish and their national sport is shooting dogs.Sandpit said:
Good on them. If anyone needs to be located in an English-speaking, common-law, low-tax country inside the EU after Brexit, Malta is an excellent choice. Much better weather than Ireland.williamglenn said:Posted without comment.
https://twitter.com/lordashcroft/status/1012217151711842305?s=21
I had a hair raising run ashore on my Invincible med cruise. On the homeward leg Malta was known as the "PCOD" (P*ssy Cut Off Day). It was felt to be the last day on which could be pleasured by a feculent pro found on "The Gut" and still be in with a chance of getting cured by the doc before returning to home and hearth. Gib was cutting it a bit fine for the antibiotics to be fully effective. You don't hear about any of this on the "Armed Forces Day" bollocks.0 -
Yes, that's the one.JosiasJessop said:
IIRC, there was a Private eye cartoon of someone running away from a mob saying: "I'm a paediatrician!"Toms said:
For instance, a few years ago when pedophilia was in the news, I seem to recall that somebody stoned an office with a plaque saying "pediatrician".Jonathan said:MaxPB said:
Remainers are all traitors, I'm hoping for a mass trial and that we bring back hanging for treason.TheScreamingEagles said:
Leavers are collaborators, their trials will be fun.williamglenn said:
Ambrose Evans-Pritchard is saying that if the EU keeps “intimidating” us we should withdraw our troops from Eastern Europe and do a deal with Putin.TheScreamingEagles said:
Tim’s losing it. Last night he was positively tumescent about Roe v Wade being overturnedAlastairMeeks said:The nativists aren't happy:
https://twitter.com/montie/status/1012235835197001728
The next few months will be ugly, and let’s hope it’s only a few months...
Need to start stop talking about traitors and killing. We already know there are nutters out there who take that stuff literally.
A short while later, it actually happened.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/aug/30/childprotection.society
Playing around one might suppose a confusion between "treater", as with the EU, and "traitor".0 -
Funny. This is something ardent Remainers tell “anecdotes” about all the time, but my wife, her friends and my international friends have never experienced or mentioned anything of the sort.Andy_Cooke said:
To be honest, we've noticed it as well. One of my wife's closest friends is an Austrian married to an Australian and living here with their kids. They're now migrating to Australia, having experienced post-Brexit nastiness. Their kid has had a tough time at school for her background and they've had enough of her coming home in tears (and they've experienced it directly as well).TheScreamingEagles said:
Four times since the referendum I’ve seen or experienced verbal attacks along the lines of ‘Fuck off home we voted Brexit’, most recently last month in Leeds from supporters of Tommy Robinson, directed towards a Polish chap.another_richard said:
Perhaps you could provide some evidence of people actually being convicted of hate crimes associated with Brexit.AlastairMeeks said:
Yo.another_richard said:
Yet it was Remainers who have subsequently peddled lies including about attacks on immigrants, the City relocating to Frankfurt and the crops rotting in the fields.AlastairMeeks said:
JustTykejohnno said:
Coming from you on leavers hating ,you hating 17million people every day.AlastairMeeks said:So today Leavers are hating Tony Blair. Yesterday it was the BMA. It must be exhausting keeping all that negative energy pent up, ready to discharge on so many different subjects.
For a group that like to lay claim to patriotism, there's precious little about Britain that they actually like.
And you know the reason I have doubts about them occurring is if there were such convictions then this site would have had endless numbers of pasted tweets about them.
As to crops rotting in the fields, there's no evidence at all of it while the shops are filled with food and the number of agricultural workers is at a twenty year high.
So they are happening.
Unless they are physical or recorded there’s a low chance of conviction as it becomes he said/they said so they don’t get reported.
They are all happy to be here. Some are applying for British passports, and that’s the only difference I’ve seen.0 -
A Malta anecdote:Dura_Ace said:
It's also covered in fucking rubbish and their national sport is shooting dogs.Sandpit said:
Good on them. If anyone needs to be located in an English-speaking, common-law, low-tax country inside the EU after Brexit, Malta is an excellent choice. Much better weather than Ireland.williamglenn said:Posted without comment.
https://twitter.com/lordashcroft/status/1012217151711842305?s=21
I had a hair raising run ashore on my Invincible med cruise. On the homeward leg Malta was known as the "PCOD" (P*ssy Cut Off Day). It was felt to be the last day on which could be pleasured by a feculent pro found on "The Gut" and still be in with a chance of getting cured by the doc before returning to home and hearth. Gib was cutting it a bit fine for the antibiotics to be fully effective. You don't hear about any of this on the "Armed Forces Day" bollocks.
A friend of ours was scuba diving off Malta when she and her buddy got into difficulties. A helicopter was sent out to them, and picked them up. Once they were safely inside, a crewmwmber asked: "Are you German?"
Apparently it sounded as though they'd chuck her out if she said yes, although it was actually that as a Brit she got rescued for free, whereas they would have made a German pay ...0 -
St Tony of Remain in a spot of bother
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/06/28/britain-tolerated-inexcusable-treatment-terror-detainees-us/
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Lots of EU countries have problems with rubbish.Dura_Ace said:
It's also covered in fucking rubbish and their national sport is shooting dogs.Sandpit said:
Good on them. If anyone needs to be located in an English-speaking, common-law, low-tax country inside the EU after Brexit, Malta is an excellent choice. Much better weather than Ireland.williamglenn said:Posted without comment.
https://twitter.com/lordashcroft/status/1012217151711842305?s=21
I had a hair raising run ashore on my Invincible med cruise. On the homeward leg Malta was known as the "PCOD" (P*ssy Cut Off Day). It was felt to be the last day on which could be pleasured by a feculent pro found on "The Gut" and still be in with a chance of getting cured by the doc before returning to home and hearth. Gib was cutting it a bit fine for the antibiotics to be fully effective. You don't hear about any of this on the "Armed Forces Day" bollocks.
Greece and Cyprus being other examples. And the French lean out of their shutters in the countryside at the weekend and basically try and shoot anything that flies overhead.0 -
I think giving the whole fcking island the GC was one of the best gestures ever. Personal idea of his late Maj George VI, I believe.JosiasJessop said:
A Malta anecdote:Dura_Ace said:
It's also covered in fucking rubbish and their national sport is shooting dogs.Sandpit said:
Good on them. If anyone needs to be located in an English-speaking, common-law, low-tax country inside the EU after Brexit, Malta is an excellent choice. Much better weather than Ireland.williamglenn said:Posted without comment.
https://twitter.com/lordashcroft/status/1012217151711842305?s=21
I had a hair raising run ashore on my Invincible med cruise. On the homeward leg Malta was known as the "PCOD" (P*ssy Cut Off Day). It was felt to be the last day on which could be pleasured by a feculent pro found on "The Gut" and still be in with a chance of getting cured by the doc before returning to home and hearth. Gib was cutting it a bit fine for the antibiotics to be fully effective. You don't hear about any of this on the "Armed Forces Day" bollocks.
A friend of ours was scuba diving off Malta when she and her buddy got into difficulties. A helicopter was sent out to them, and picked them up. Once they were safely inside, a crewmwmber asked: "Are you German?"
Apparently it sounded as though they'd chuck her out if she said yes, although it was actually that as a Brit she got rescued for free, whereas they would have made a German pay ...0 -
I really didn't note much rubbish when I went on holiday to Zanthe a couple of years back. Nor did I in Turkey in all honesty.Casino_Royale said:
Lots of EU countries have problems with rubbish.Dura_Ace said:
It's also covered in fucking rubbish and their national sport is shooting dogs.Sandpit said:
Good on them. If anyone needs to be located in an English-speaking, common-law, low-tax country inside the EU after Brexit, Malta is an excellent choice. Much better weather than Ireland.williamglenn said:Posted without comment.
https://twitter.com/lordashcroft/status/1012217151711842305?s=21
I had a hair raising run ashore on my Invincible med cruise. On the homeward leg Malta was known as the "PCOD" (P*ssy Cut Off Day). It was felt to be the last day on which could be pleasured by a feculent pro found on "The Gut" and still be in with a chance of getting cured by the doc before returning to home and hearth. Gib was cutting it a bit fine for the antibiotics to be fully effective. You don't hear about any of this on the "Armed Forces Day" bollocks.
Greece and Cyprus being other examples. And the French lean out of their shutters in the countryside at the weekend and basically try and shoot anything that flies overhead.
The sheer volume of uncollected rubbish I saw in Tunisia however was absolubtely staggering. For all our handwringing (Yes I try to do my bit) over plastic use and so forth in this country, it IS Asia and Africa that have the really big problem with this.0 -
Asia and Africa have a problem with collecting it, but there's no doubt that the Western World produces far more rubbish.Pulpstar said:
I really didn't note much rubbish when I went on holiday to Zanthe a couple of years back. Nor did I in Turkey in all honesty.Casino_Royale said:
Lots of EU countries have problems with rubbish.Dura_Ace said:
It's also covered in fucking rubbish and their national sport is shooting dogs.Sandpit said:
Good on them. If anyone needs to be located in an English-speaking, common-law, low-tax country inside the EU after Brexit, Malta is an excellent choice. Much better weather than Ireland.williamglenn said:Posted without comment.
https://twitter.com/lordashcroft/status/1012217151711842305?s=21
I had a hair raising run ashore on my Invincible med cruise. On the homeward leg Malta was known as the "PCOD" (P*ssy Cut Off Day). It was felt to be the last day on which could be pleasured by a feculent pro found on "The Gut" and still be in with a chance of getting cured by the doc before returning to home and hearth. Gib was cutting it a bit fine for the antibiotics to be fully effective. You don't hear about any of this on the "Armed Forces Day" bollocks.
Greece and Cyprus being other examples. And the French lean out of their shutters in the countryside at the weekend and basically try and shoot anything that flies overhead.
The sheer volume of uncollected rubbish I saw in Tunisia however was absolubtely staggering. For all our handwringing (Yes I try to do my bit) over plastic use and so forth in this country, it IS Asia and Africa that have the really big problem with this.
https://siteresources.worldbank.org/INTURBANDEVELOPMENT/Resources/336387-1334852610766/Chap3.pdf0 -
Genuine LOL, your military anecdotes are better than any I’ve heard from friends who served HM.Dura_Ace said:
It's also covered in fucking rubbish and their national sport is shooting dogs.Sandpit said:
Good on them. If anyone needs to be located in an English-speaking, common-law, low-tax country inside the EU after Brexit, Malta is an excellent choice. Much better weather than Ireland.williamglenn said:Posted without comment.
https://twitter.com/lordashcroft/status/1012217151711842305?s=21
I had a hair raising run ashore on my Invincible med cruise. On the homeward leg Malta was known as the "PCOD" (P*ssy Cut Off Day). It was felt to be the last day on which could be pleasured by a feculent pro found on "The Gut" and still be in with a chance of getting cured by the doc before returning to home and hearth. Gib was cutting it a bit fine for the antibiotics to be fully effective. You don't hear about any of this on the "Armed Forces Day" bollocks.0 -
Made me chuckle (FYI, not real Phil Neville)
https://twitter.com/FFizzer18/status/10120823204536279070 -
Oh, right. I see. Your reaction is to implicitly call me a liar.Casino_Royale said:
Funny. This is something ardent Remainers tell “anecdotes” about all the time, but my wife, her friends and my international friends have never experienced or mentioned anything of the sort.Andy_Cooke said:
To be honest, we've noticed it as well. One of my wife's closest friends is an Austrian married to an Australian and living here with their kids. They're now migrating to Australia, having experienced post-Brexit nastiness. Their kid has had a tough time at school for her background and they've had enough of her coming home in tears (and they've experienced it directly as well).TheScreamingEagles said:
Four times since the referendum I’ve seen or experienced verbal attacks along the lines of ‘Fuck off home we voted Brexit’, most recently last month in Leeds from supporters of Tommy Robinson, directed towards a Polish chap.another_richard said:
Perhaps you could provide some evidence of people actually being convicted of hate crimes associated with Brexit.AlastairMeeks said:
Yo.another_richard said:
Yet it was Remainers who have subsequently peddled lies including about attacks on immigrants, the City relocating to Frankfurt and the crops rotting in the fields.AlastairMeeks said:
JustTykejohnno said:
Coming from you on leavers hating ,you hating 17million people every day.AlastairMeeks said:So today Leavers are hating Tony Blair. Yesterday it was the BMA. It must be exhausting keeping all that negative energy pent up, ready to discharge on so many different subjects.
For a group that like to lay claim to patriotism, there's precious little about Britain that they actually like.
And you know the reason I have doubts about them occurring is if there were such convictions then this site would have had endless numbers of pasted tweets about them.
As to crops rotting in the fields, there's no evidence at all of it while the shops are filled with food and the number of agricultural workers is at a twenty year high.
So they are happening.
Unless they are physical or recorded there’s a low chance of conviction as it becomes he said/they said so they don’t get reported.
They are all happy to be here. Some are applying for British passports, and that’s the only difference I’ve seen.
I understand.
That doesn't say much about yourself, you know.
(As it happens, characterising me as an "ardent Remainer" is quite amusing, as well as ignorant)0 -
The spinning of dits is core competency for FAA officers. One day I'll relate the tale of the CVW-11 Xmas/NY in Singapore that followed Enduring Freedom...Sandpit said:
Genuine LOL, your military anecdotes are better than any I’ve heard from friends who served HM.Dura_Ace said:
It's also covered in fucking rubbish and their national sport is shooting dogs.Sandpit said:
Good on them. If anyone needs to be located in an English-speaking, common-law, low-tax country inside the EU after Brexit, Malta is an excellent choice. Much better weather than Ireland.williamglenn said:Posted without comment.
https://twitter.com/lordashcroft/status/1012217151711842305?s=21
I had a hair raising run ashore on my Invincible med cruise. On the homeward leg Malta was known as the "PCOD" (P*ssy Cut Off Day). It was felt to be the last day on which could be pleasured by a feculent pro found on "The Gut" and still be in with a chance of getting cured by the doc before returning to home and hearth. Gib was cutting it a bit fine for the antibiotics to be fully effective. You don't hear about any of this on the "Armed Forces Day" bollocks.0 -
It was reported last year that just 10 rivers are responsible for 90 per cent of plastic in the ocean -- nothing to do with whether the Auchtermuchty McDonalds uses plastic straws.Pulpstar said:
I really didn't note much rubbish when I went on holiday to Zanthe a couple of years back. Nor did I in Turkey in all honesty.Casino_Royale said:
Lots of EU countries have problems with rubbish.Dura_Ace said:
It's also covered in fucking rubbish and their national sport is shooting dogs.Sandpit said:
Good on them. If anyone needs to be located in an English-speaking, common-law, low-tax country inside the EU after Brexit, Malta is an excellent choice. Much better weather than Ireland.williamglenn said:Posted without comment.
https://twitter.com/lordashcroft/status/1012217151711842305?s=21
I had a hair raising run ashore on my Invincible med cruise. On the homeward leg Malta was known as the "PCOD" (P*ssy Cut Off Day). It was felt to be the last day on which could be pleasured by a feculent pro found on "The Gut" and still be in with a chance of getting cured by the doc before returning to home and hearth. Gib was cutting it a bit fine for the antibiotics to be fully effective. You don't hear about any of this on the "Armed Forces Day" bollocks.
Greece and Cyprus being other examples. And the French lean out of their shutters in the countryside at the weekend and basically try and shoot anything that flies overhead.
The sheer volume of uncollected rubbish I saw in Tunisia however was absolubtely staggering. For all our handwringing (Yes I try to do my bit) over plastic use and so forth in this country, it IS Asia and Africa that have the really big problem with this.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/stemming-the-plastic-tide-10-rivers-contribute-most-of-the-plastic-in-the-oceans/
ETA Two are in Africa (the Nile and the Niger) while the other eight are in Asia (the Ganges, Indus, Yellow, Yangtze, Haihe, Pearl, Mekong and Amur).
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/nov/05/terrawatch-the-rivers-taking-plastic-to-the-oceans
Perhaps our foreign aid budget should pay for recycling facilities in Africa if we are serious about curbing pollution. Such facilities would also employ locals and stimulate economies.
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I have three air source heat pumps here in Denmark - they are v good and much cheaper to install - combined with solar for hot water we do pretty well running cost wise, electric heating is getting a tax cut here as well soon (but still way more expensive than UK)OblitusSumMe said:
My brother-in-law is having his house built in West Cork right now and he will have an air source heat pump installed. He told me that the pace of development in them recently is very fast, so he's waiting until the last moment to choose a model to install. He will use his to partially heat his hot water too.volcanopete said:Interesting feature on climate change in the podcast.I'm ditching gas central heating and switching to electricity from renewables,which I'm convinced will be cheaper in a few years' time, but these air/ground heat pumps are very interesting.Anyone using them or explored the use of them? Both systems appeal because of national security,not having to rely on Qatari gas and Saudi oil,or those pesky Russians.
Britain and Ireland don't have the cold temperatures in winter to require a ground source heat pump.
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Travelling regularly through mainland inland rural China albeit many years ago, there were literally mountains of rubbish all around and within living areas, villages, towns, rivers, you name it. I remember thinking at the time how could people tolerate it so close to where they were living but I suppose if your priority is to feed your family you will leave the litter collection to someone else.DecrepitJohnL said:
It was reported last year that just 10 rivers are responsible for 90 per cent of plastic in the ocean -- nothing to do with whether the Auchtermuchty McDonalds uses plastic straws.Pulpstar said:
I really didn't note much rubbish when I went on holiday to Zanthe a couple of years back. Nor did I in Turkey in all honesty.Casino_Royale said:
Lots of EU countries have problems with rubbish.Dura_Ace said:
It's also covered in fucking rubbish and their national sport is shooting dogs.Sandpit said:
Good on them. If anyone needs to be located in an English-speaking, common-law, low-tax country inside the EU after Brexit, Malta is an excellent choice. Much better weather than Ireland.williamglenn said:Posted without comment.
https://twitter.com/lordashcroft/status/1012217151711842305?s=21
I had a hair raising run ashore on my Invincible med cruise. On the homeward leg Malta was known as the "PCOD" (P*ssy Cut Off Day). It was felt to be the last day on which could be pleasured by a feculent pro found on "The Gut" and still be in with a chance of getting cured by the doc before returning to home and hearth. Gib was cutting it a bit fine for the antibiotics to be fully effective. You don't hear about any of this on the "Armed Forces Day" bollocks.
Greece and Cyprus being other examples. And the French lean out of their shutters in the countryside at the weekend and basically try and shoot anything that flies overhead.
The sheer volume of uncollected rubbish I saw in Tunisia however was absolubtely staggering. For all our handwringing (Yes I try to do my bit) over plastic use and so forth in this country, it IS Asia and Africa that have the really big problem with this.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/stemming-the-plastic-tide-10-rivers-contribute-most-of-the-plastic-in-the-oceans/
ETA Two are in Africa (the Nile and the Niger) while the other eight are in Asia (the Ganges, Indus, Yellow, Yangtze, Haihe, Pearl, Mekong and Amur).
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/nov/05/terrawatch-the-rivers-taking-plastic-to-the-oceans
Perhaps our foreign aid budget should pay for recycling facilities in Africa if we are serious about curbing pollution. Such facilities would also employ locals and stimulate economies.
Perhaps it's all changed now.0 -
UK criticised over role in US rendition
The UK tolerated "inexcusable" treatment of US detainees after the 9/11 attacks, MPs have found.
The Intelligence and Security Committee (ISC) said it was "beyond doubt" the UK knew the US mistreated detainees.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-446400860 -
LOL.Jonathan said:
17% is a lot more than "no section" and not at all bad for a retired politician, let alone one that gets the populists and the Corbynites ranting. Better than most hopefuls for next Tory leader.Sean_F said:
According to the latest Yougov, (June 16th) 17% like Tony Blair, and 76% dislike him.Jonathan said:
He is more popular than populist Leavers and Corbynites like to think.Sean_F said:
Seriously, disapproval of Tony Blair is not just confined to Leavers or Corbynites.AlastairMeeks said:
I'm afraid I'm not fleet enough of foot. For now the Leavers have moved on to their next hate target, the CBI.Sean_F said:
There is no section of the population that respects Tony Blair.AlastairMeeks said:So today Leavers are hating Tony Blair. Yesterday it was the BMA. It must be exhausting keeping all that negative energy pent up, ready to discharge on so many different subjects.
For a group that like to lay claim to patriotism, there's precious little about Britain that they actually like.
Give him a couple of months on the campaign stump and he could get back to the 35% he needed to win a majority.
I'm not sure what is more hilarious; the idea that you can turn such a net unfavourable to 35%, or the idea that since the decline of UKIP and the LDs that 35% gets anywhere near a majority.
I do applaud your one man attempt to return Blair to national prominence, though. It would be a gift for the Tories,0 -
And your posts don’t say much about you either.Andy_Cooke said:
Oh, right. I see. Your reaction is to implicitly call me a liar.Casino_Royale said:
Funny. This is something ardent Remainers tell “anecdotes” about all the time, but my wife, her friends and my international friends have never experienced or mentioned anything of the sort.Andy_Cooke said:
To be honest, we've noticed it as well. One of my wife's closest friends is an Austrian married to an Australian and living here with their kids. They're now migrating to Australia, having experienced post-Brexit nastiness. Their kid has had a tough time at school for her background and they've had enough of her coming home in tears (and they've experienced it directly as well).TheScreamingEagles said:
Four times since the referendum I’ve seen or experienced verbal attacks along the lines of ‘Fuck off home we voted Brexit’, most recently last month in Leeds from supporters of Tommy Robinson, directed towards a Polish chap.another_richard said:
Perhaps you could provide some evidence of people actually being convicted of hate crimes associated with year high.AlastairMeeks said:
Yo.another_richard said:
Yet it was Remainers who have subsequently peddled lies including about attacks on immigrants, the City relocating to Frankfurt and the crops rotting in the fields.AlastairMeeks said:
JustTykejohnno said:
Coming from you on leavers hating ,you hating 17million people every day.AlastairMeeks said:So today Leavers are hating Tony Blair. Yesterday it was the BMA. It must be exhausting keeping all that negative energy pent up, ready to discharge on so many different subjects.
For a group that like to lay claim to patriotism, there's precious little about Britain that they actually like.
So they are happening.
Unless they are physical or recorded there’s a low chance of conviction as it becomes he said/they said so they don’t get reported.
They are all happy to be here. Some are applying for British passports, and that’s the only difference I’ve seen.
I understand.
That doesn't say much about yourself, you know.
(As it happens, characterising me as an "ardent Remainer" is quite amusing, as well as ignorant)
Your posts on Brexit are as intemperate as they are imbalanced.
I have lots of European friends. None have ever experience anything of the sort, including my wife.0 -
Some of your best friends are European? Good to hear.Casino_Royale said:
And your posts don’t say much about you either.Andy_Cooke said:
Oh, right. I see. Your reaction is to implicitly call me a liar.Casino_Royale said:
Funny. This is something ardent Remainers tell “anecdotes” about all the time, but my wife, her friends and my international friends have never experienced or mentioned anything of the sort.Andy_Cooke said:
To be honest, we've noticed it as well. One of my wife's closest friends is an Austrian married to an Australian and living here with their kids. They're now migrating to Australia, having experienced post-Brexit nastiness. Their kid has had a tough time at school for her background and they've had enough of her coming home in tears (and they've experienced it directly as well).TheScreamingEagles said:
Four times since the referendum I’ve seen or experienced verbal attacks along the lines of ‘Fuck off home we voted Brexit’, most recently last month in Leeds from supporters of Tommy Robinson, directed towards a Polish chap.another_richard said:
Perhaps you could provide some evidence of people actually being convicted of hate crimes associated with year high.AlastairMeeks said:
Yo.another_richard said:
Yet it was Remainers who have subsequently peddled lies including about attacks on immigrants, the City relocating to Frankfurt and the crops rotting in the fields.AlastairMeeks said:
JustTykejohnno said:
Coming from you on leavers hating ,you hating 17million people every day.AlastairMeeks said:So today Leavers are hating Tony Blair. Yesterday it was the BMA. It must be exhausting keeping all that negative energy pent up, ready to discharge on so many different subjects.
For a group that like to lay claim to patriotism, there's precious little about Britain that they actually like.
So they are happening.
Unless they are physical or recorded there’s a low chance of conviction as it becomes he said/they said so they don’t get reported.
They are all happy to be here. Some are applying for British passports, and that’s the only difference I’ve seen.
I understand.
That doesn't say much about yourself, you know.
(As it happens, characterising me as an "ardent Remainer" is quite amusing, as well as ignorant)
Your posts on Brexit are as intemperate as they are imbalanced.
I have lots of European friends. None have ever experience anything of the sort, including my wife.0 -
But the bastards shoot all our migrating birds. I mean, insane numbers, of every species. Malta is on the Verboten list.Sandpit said:
Good on them. If anyone needs to be located in an English-speaking, common-law, low-tax country inside the EU after Brexit, Malta is an excellent choice. Much better weather than Ireland.williamglenn said:Posted without comment.
https://twitter.com/lordashcroft/status/1012217151711842305?s=21
They also like duffing up anybody who opposes their "little bit of fun".....0 -
Pre-Brexit Tommy Robinson and his supporters were jolly nice chaps who wouldn't say a mean thing to anyone.TheScreamingEagles said:Four times since the referendum I’ve seen or experienced verbal attacks along the lines of ‘Fuck off home we voted Brexit’, most recently last month in Leeds from supporters of Tommy Robinson, directed towards a Polish chap.
Is that your proposition?0 -
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Yes. I went to an international school, married a European, work with many Europeans and am proud to call many my friends.TOPPING said:
Some of your best friends are European? Good to hear.Casino_Royale said:
And your posts don’t say much about you either.Andy_Cooke said:
Oh, right. I see. Your reaction is to implicitly call me a liar.Casino_Royale said:
Funny. This is something ardent Remainers tell “anecdotes” about all the time, but my wife, her friends and my international friends have never experienced or mentioned anything of the sort.Andy_Cooke said:
ell).TheScreamingEagles said:
Four times since the referendum I’ve seen or experienced verbal attacks along the lines of ‘Fuck off home we voted Brexit’, most recently last month in Leeds from supporters of Tommy Robinson, directed towards a Polish chap.another_richard said:
Perhaps you could provide some evidence of people actually being convicted of hate crimes associated with year high.AlastairMeeks said:
Yo.another_richard said:
Yet it was Remainers who have subsequently peddled lies including about attacks on immigrants, the City relocating to Frankfurt and the crops rotting in the fields.AlastairMeeks said:
JustTykejohnno said:
Coming from you on leavers hating ,you hating 17million people every day.AlastairMeeks said:So today Leavers are hating Tony Blair. Yesterday it was the BMA. It must be exhausting keeping all that negative energy pent up, ready to discharge on so many different subjects.
For a group that like to lay claim to patriotism, there's precious little about Britain that they actually like.
So they are happening.
Unless they are physical or recorded there’s a low chance of conviction as it becomes he said/they said so they don’t get reported.
They are all happy to be here. Some are applying for British passports, and that’s the only difference I’ve seen.
I understand.
That doesn't say much about yourself, you know.
(As it happens, characterising me as an "ardent Remainer" is quite amusing, as well as ignorant)
Your posts on Brexit are as intemperate as they are imbalanced.
I have lots of European friends. None have ever experience anything of the sort, including my wife.
I’m afraid I can’t help you with your prejudices, though.0
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