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There are all sorts of negotiations going on behind the scenes that are well advanced we know nothing about.CarlottaVance said:
https://twitter.com/AlexInAir/status/1002197880612978688TGOHF said:
Until we do our own bespoke deal.TheScreamingEagles said:
No. We’ll still get hit.TGOHF said:
So there will be a boost for Uk metal exporters from next March ?TheScreamingEagles said:Hurrah.
The United States has fired the opening shots in a trade war with three of its traditional allies after imposing tariffs on imported steel and aluminium from the European Union, Canada and Mexico.
Wilbur Ross, Donald Trump’s commerce secretary, said the 25% duty on steel and the 10% duty on aluminium would be imposed from midnight.
In a move that is likely to prompt retaliation from Brussels, Ross said talks with the EU had not shown enough progress for European steel and aluminium producers to continue to be exempted from the tariffs.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/may/31/us-fires-opening-salvo-in-trade-war-with-eu-canada-and-mexico?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other0 -
Surely he has NO business siting in the House of Lords if he is residant in France. The anti -brexit newspapers should be shaming Lord Lawson and JRM as the unacceptable face of Brexit. Both are guilty of saying one thing and doing another. It is one rule for the rich and powerful and another for the poor.rottenborough said:Fenman said:
And Brexycrite Lord Lawson has just announced that he's applying for French residencywilliamglenn said:
A Brexit which none of the people who care about the issue accept cannot ever resolve matters. It would just ensure the issue remained open for years longer.david_herdson said:
Actually, a soft Brexit will be fine with 80%+ of the population. it just won't please anyone who really cares about the EU.Elliot said:
Exactly. A soft Brexit pleases no one.SandyRentool said:
Leading question. Who says a compromise is sensible? More likely a fudge between the worst of being in and the worst of being out.TheScreamingEagles said:
He'll be telling us next that he's put all his money into carbon capture.0 -
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Not sure the rules are any different, unless other Britons are being denied residency?The_Taxman said:
Surely he has NO business siting in the House of Lords if he is residant in France. The anti -brexit newspapers should be shaming Lord Lawson and JRM as the unacceptable face of Brexit. Both are guilty of saying one thing and doing another. It is one rule for the rich and powerful and another for the poor.rottenborough said:Fenman said:
And Brexycrite Lord Lawson has just announced that he's applying for French residencywilliamglenn said:
A Brexit which none of the people who care about the issue accept cannot ever resolve matters. It would just ensure the issue remained open for years longer.david_herdson said:
Actually, a soft Brexit will be fine with 80%+ of the population. it just won't please anyone who really cares about the EU.Elliot said:
Exactly. A soft Brexit pleases no one.SandyRentool said:
Leading question. Who says a compromise is sensible? More likely a fudge between the worst of being in and the worst of being out.TheScreamingEagles said:
He'll be telling us next that he's put all his money into carbon capture.0 -
His party is averaging about 19% in the polls.Alanbrooke said:Rajoy looking like toast
https://politica.elpais.com/politica/2018/05/31/actualidad/1527743879_094425.html0 -
Does that exclude the UK post Brexit then?TheScreamingEagles said:Hurrah.
The United States has fired the opening shots in a trade war with three of its traditional allies after imposing tariffs on imported steel and aluminium from the European Union, Canada and Mexico.
Wilbur Ross, Donald Trump’s commerce secretary, said the 25% duty on steel and the 10% duty on aluminium would be imposed from midnight.
In a move that is likely to prompt retaliation from Brussels, Ross said talks with the EU had not shown enough progress for European steel and aluminium producers to continue to be exempted from the tariffs.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/may/31/us-fires-opening-salvo-in-trade-war-with-eu-canada-and-mexico?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other0 -
A soft Brexit with some limits on FoMdavid_herdson said:
Actually, a soft Brexit will be fine with 80%+ of the population. it just won't please anyone who really cares about the EU.Elliot said:
Exactly. A soft Brexit pleases no one.SandyRentool said:
Leading question. Who says a compromise is sensible? More likely a fudge between the worst of being in and the worst of being out.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Nothing quite like being a Brexiteer commenting on Brexit by the pool from your chateau in the south of France while drinking vintage champagne!Fenman said:
And Brexycrite Lord Lawson has just announced that he's applying for French residencywilliamglenn said:
A Brexit which none of the people who care about the issue accept cannot ever resolve matters. It would just ensure the issue remained open for years longer.david_herdson said:
Actually, a soft Brexit will be fine with 80%+ of the population. it just won't please anyone who really cares about the EU.Elliot said:
Exactly. A soft Brexit pleases no one.SandyRentool said:
Leading question. Who says a compromise is sensible? More likely a fudge between the worst of being in and the worst of being out.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Residency is not citizenship. The rules are the same for everyone. Unless you'd like to ban British citizens from owning property abroad.The_Taxman said:
Surely he has NO business siting in the House of Lords if he is residant in France. The anti -brexit newspapers should be shaming Lord Lawson and JRM as the unacceptable face of Brexit. Both are guilty of saying one thing and doing another. It is one rule for the rich and powerful and another for the poor.rottenborough said:Fenman said:
And Brexycrite Lord Lawson has just announced that he's applying for French residencywilliamglenn said:
A Brexit which none of the people who care about the issue accept cannot ever resolve matters. It would just ensure the issue remained open for years longer.david_herdson said:
Actually, a soft Brexit will be fine with 80%+ of the population. it just won't please anyone who really cares about the EU.Elliot said:
Exactly. A soft Brexit pleases no one.SandyRentool said:
Leading question. Who says a compromise is sensible? More likely a fudge between the worst of being in and the worst of being out.TheScreamingEagles said:
He'll be telling us next that he's put all his money into carbon capture.0 -
I wonder if he knows Roger ?HYUFD said:
Nothing quite like being a Brexiteer commenting on Brexit by the pool from your chateau in the south of France while drinking vintage champagne!Fenman said:
And Brexycrite Lord Lawson has just announced that he's applying for French residencywilliamglenn said:
A Brexit which none of the people who care about the issue accept cannot ever resolve matters. It would just ensure the issue remained open for years longer.david_herdson said:
Actually, a soft Brexit will be fine with 80%+ of the population. it just won't please anyone who really cares about the EU.Elliot said:
Exactly. A soft Brexit pleases no one.SandyRentool said:
Leading question. Who says a compromise is sensible? More likely a fudge between the worst of being in and the worst of being out.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Mr. Pulpstar, if it helps, there's a precedent for an academic rising from obscurity to power (Julian the Apostate, 4th century AD).0
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He lives there !felix said:
Residency is not citizenship. The rules are the same for everyone. Unless you'd like to ban British citizens from owning property abroad.The_Taxman said:
Surely he has NO business siting in the House of Lords if he is residant in France. The anti -brexit newspapers should be shaming Lord Lawson and JRM as the unacceptable face of Brexit. Both are guilty of saying one thing and doing another. It is one rule for the rich and powerful and another for the poor.rottenborough said:Fenman said:
And Brexycrite Lord Lawson has just announced that he's applying for French residencywilliamglenn said:
A Brexit which none of the people who care about the issue accept cannot ever resolve matters. It would just ensure the issue remained open for years longer.david_herdson said:
Actually, a soft Brexit will be fine with 80%+ of the population. it just won't please anyone who really cares about the EU.Elliot said:
Exactly. A soft Brexit pleases no one.SandyRentool said:
Leading question. Who says a compromise is sensible? More likely a fudge between the worst of being in and the worst of being out.TheScreamingEagles said:
He'll be telling us next that he's put all his money into carbon capture.0 -
Don’t give John McDonnell any more ideas!felix said:
Residency is not citizenship. The rules are the same for everyone. Unless you'd like to ban British citizens from owning property abroad.The_Taxman said:
Surely he has NO business siting in the House of Lords if he is residant in France. The anti -brexit newspapers should be shaming Lord Lawson and JRM as the unacceptable face of Brexit. Both are guilty of saying one thing and doing another. It is one rule for the rich and powerful and another for the poor.rottenborough said:Fenman said:
And Brexycrite Lord Lawson has just announced that he's applying for French residencywilliamglenn said:
A Brexit which none of the people who care about the issue accept cannot ever resolve matters. It would just ensure the issue remained open for years longer.david_herdson said:
Actually, a soft Brexit will be fine with 80%+ of the population. it just won't please anyone who really cares about the EU.Elliot said:
Exactly. A soft Brexit pleases no one.SandyRentool said:
Leading question. Who says a compromise is sensible? More likely a fudge between the worst of being in and the worst of being out.TheScreamingEagles said:
He'll be telling us next that he's put all his money into carbon capture.0 -
During the expenses scandal, Lord Lawson was found to have claimed £16,000 in overnight expenses from his main residence in Gascony.
Why should his continuing to want to live there now be an unacceptable hypocrisy?0 -
And for quite some time, as I understand it. Given his interests, he probably spends enough time in the UK to qualify as a resident for tax purposes in both countries.surby said:
He lives there !felix said:
Residency is not citizenship. The rules are the same for everyone. Unless you'd like to ban British citizens from owning property abroad.The_Taxman said:
Surely he has NO business siting in the House of Lords if he is residant in France. The anti -brexit newspapers should be shaming Lord Lawson and JRM as the unacceptable face of Brexit. Both are guilty of saying one thing and doing another. It is one rule for the rich and powerful and another for the poor.rottenborough said:Fenman said:
And Brexycrite Lord Lawson has just announced that he's applying for French residencywilliamglenn said:
A Brexit which none of the people who care about the issue accept cannot ever resolve matters. It would just ensure the issue remained open for years longer.david_herdson said:
Actually, a soft Brexit will be fine with 80%+ of the population. it just won't please anyone who really cares about the EU.Elliot said:
Exactly. A soft Brexit pleases no one.SandyRentool said:
Leading question. Who says a compromise is sensible? More likely a fudge between the worst of being in and the worst of being out.TheScreamingEagles said:
He'll be telling us next that he's put all his money into carbon capture.0 -
Cranes visible on the Sheffield skyline btw. More than I can remember for a while0
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In the city centre, the redevelopment of the Retail Quarter is something.Pulpstar said:Cranes visible on the Sheffield skyline btw. More than I can remember for a while
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Can't trust English players. Some could be upto some scam, like slow batting ....Sandpit said:
Surely distorted by the fact that a lot of people have no interest in betting on any matches involving Pakistan.AndyJS said:Headingley Test Match:
England 1.64
Pakistan 4.6
Draw 5.7
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/cricket/market/1.1442716250 -
That would be an interesting dinner party!Alanbrooke said:
I wonder if he knows Roger ?HYUFD said:
Nothing quite like being a Brexiteer commenting on Brexit by the pool from your chateau in the south of France while drinking vintage champagne!Fenman said:
And Brexycrite Lord Lawson has just announced that he's applying for French residencywilliamglenn said:
A Brexit which none of the people who care about the issue accept cannot ever resolve matters. It would just ensure the issue remained open for years longer.david_herdson said:
Actually, a soft Brexit will be fine with 80%+ of the population. it just won't please anyone who really cares about the EU.Elliot said:
Exactly. A soft Brexit pleases no one.SandyRentool said:
Leading question. Who says a compromise is sensible? More likely a fudge between the worst of being in and the worst of being out.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
So what! As a British citizen he has the same rights as other citizens.surby said:
He lives there !felix said:
Residency is not citizenship. The rules are the same for everyone. Unless you'd like to ban British citizens from owning property abroad.The_Taxman said:
Surely he has NO business siting in the House of Lords if he is residant in France. The anti -brexit newspapers should be shaming Lord Lawson and JRM as the unacceptable face of Brexit. Both are guilty of saying one thing and doing another. It is one rule for the rich and powerful and another for the poor.rottenborough said:Fenman said:
And Brexycrite Lord Lawson has just announced that he's applying for French residencywilliamglenn said:
A Brexit which none of the people who care about the issue accept cannot ever resolve matters. It would just ensure the issue remained open for years longer.david_herdson said:
Actually, a soft Brexit will be fine with 80%+ of the population. it just won't please anyone who really cares about the EU.Elliot said:
Exactly. A soft Brexit pleases no one.SandyRentool said:
Leading question. Who says a compromise is sensible? More likely a fudge between the worst of being in and the worst of being out.TheScreamingEagles said:
He'll be telling us next that he's put all his money into carbon capture.0 -
Yesterday I was warning Labour about hubris and the message still hasn't sunk in.RobD said:0 -
Tram to Parkgate... must have tram to Parkgate...TheScreamingEagles said:
In the city centre, the redevelopment of the Retail Quarter is something.Pulpstar said:Cranes visible on the Sheffield skyline btw. More than I can remember for a while
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Ridiculous suggestion.surby said:
Can't trust English players. Some could be upto some scam, like slow batting ....Sandpit said:
Surely distorted by the fact that a lot of people have no interest in betting on any matches involving Pakistan.AndyJS said:Headingley Test Match:
England 1.64
Pakistan 4.6
Draw 5.7
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/cricket/market/1.144271625
Which England players are involved in any sort of batting?0 -
Lewisham cover the postage but I'd happily pay to exercise my democratic right to vote . I know that's an alien concept for some on the left to grasp.surby said:
What a wastage of money on the post !felix said:Two postal votes received promptly today in SE Spain - completed and posted for the Tory in Lewisham East. Congratulations to Lewisham council fo their efficiency !
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I realise this but it really iratates me that those who might wish to do similar in the future will be denied it necause of Brexit. In terms of the HofL any jiggery pokery like this should mean retirement from the institution. I used to think Lawson had good judgement but my opinion of him has demished to the extent that i wish him a long and happy retirement. I noteced Peter lilley being interviewed from France a couple of months ago as well. The Brexit supporters are nothing but hypercrits.felix said:
Residency is not citizenship. The rules are the same for everyone. Unless you'd like to ban British citizens from owning property abroad.The_Taxman said:
Surely he has NO business siting in the House of Lords if he is residant in France. The anti -brexit newspapers should be shaming Lord Lawson and JRM as the unacceptable face of Brexit. Both are guilty of saying one thing and doing another. It is one rule for the rich and powerful and another for the poor.rottenborough said:Fenman said:
And Brexycrite Lord Lawson has just announced that he's applying for French residencywilliamglenn said:
A Brexit which none of the people who care about the issue accept cannot ever resolve matters. It would just ensure the issue remained open for years longer.david_herdson said:
Actually, a soft Brexit will be fine with 80%+ of the population. it just won't please anyone who really cares about the EU.Elliot said:
Exactly. A soft Brexit pleases no one.SandyRentool said:
Leading question. Who says a compromise is sensible? More likely a fudge between the worst of being in and the worst of being out.TheScreamingEagles said:
He'll be telling us next that he's put all his money into carbon capture.0 -
I'm moving to Ilford so I can vote for Mike Gapes.
https://twitter.com/MikeGapes/status/1001902276380905472
Have to vote for a fellow Rick Astley fan.0 -
People moved abroad before Brexit and will do so afterwards . No jiggery-pokery - in fact he has stated he is following French official advice . I'm not a fan and was a Remain voter but you're over reacting. The EU is not the same as Europe .The_Taxman said:
I realise this but it really iratates me that those who might wish to do similar in the future will be denied it necause of Brexit. In terms of the HofL any jiggery pokery like this should mean retirement from the institution. I used to think Lawson had good judgement but my opinion of him has demished to the extent that i wish him a long and happy retirement. butmyI noteced Peter lilley being interviewed from France a couple of months ago as well.felix said:
Residency is not citizenship. The rules are the same for everyone. Unless you'd like to ban British citizens from owning property abroad.The_Taxman said:
Surely he has NO business siting in the House of Lords if he is residant in France. The anti -brexit newspapers should be shaming Lord Lawson and JRM as the unacceptable face of Brexit. Both are guilty of saying one thing and doing another. It is one rule for the rich and powerful and another for the poor.rottenborough said:Fenman said:
And Brexycrite Lord Lawson has just announced that he's applying for French residencywilliamglenn said:
A Brexit which none of the people who care about the issue accept cannot ever resolve matters. It would just ensure the issue remained open for years longer.david_herdson said:
Actually, a soft Brexit will be fine with 80%+ of the population. it just won't please anyone who really cares about the EU.Elliot said:
Exactly. A soft Brexit pleases no one.SandyRentool said:
Leading question. Who says a compromise is sensible? More likely a fudge between the worst of being in and the worst of being out.TheScreamingEagles said:
He'll be telling us next that he's put all his money into carbon capture.0 -
If you're moving to Ilford, I'm moving to FranceTheScreamingEagles said:I'm moving to Ilford so I can vote for Mike Gapes.
https://twitter.com/MikeGapes/status/1001902276380905472
Have to vote for a fellow Rick Astley fan.
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People also moved abroad before the UK joined the EU. The idea that leaving is going to prevent that is fanciful.felix said:
People moved abroad before Brexit and will do so afterwards . No jiggery-pokery - in fact he has stated he is following French official advice . I'm not a fan and was a Remain voter but you're over reacting. The EU is not the same as Europe .The_Taxman said:
I realise this but it really iratates me that those who might wish to do similar in the future will be denied it necause of Brexit. In terms of the HofL any jiggery pokery like this should mean retirement from the institution. I used to think Lawson had good judgement but my opinion of him has demished to the extent that i wish him a long and happy retirement. butmyI noteced Peter lilley being interviewed from France a couple of months ago as well.felix said:
Residency is not citizenship. The rules are the same for everyone. Unless you'd like to ban British citizens from owning property abroad.The_Taxman said:
Surely he has NO business siting in the House of Lords if he is residant in France. The anti -brexit newspapers should be shaming Lord Lawson and JRM as the unacceptable face of Brexit. Both are guilty of saying one thing and doing another. It is one rule for the rich and powerful and another for the poor.rottenborough said:Fenman said:
And Brexycrite Lord Lawson has just announced that he's applying for French residencywilliamglenn said:
A Brexit which none of the people who care about the issue accept cannot ever resolve matters. It would just ensure the issue remained open for years longer.david_herdson said:
Actually, a soft Brexit will be fine with 80%+ of the population. it just won't please anyone who really cares about the EU.Elliot said:
Exactly. A soft Brexit pleases no one.SandyRentool said:
Leading question. Who says a compromise is sensible? More likely a fudge between the worst of being in and the worst of being out.TheScreamingEagles said:
He'll be telling us next that he's put all his money into carbon capture.0 -
Just watched that through, thanks.FrancisUrquhart said:
It’s on their YouTube channel.Sandpit said:
Not seen it yet. Online anywhere?FrancisUrquhart said:
Why did you make of the al-jareeza investigation that aired the other day?Sandpit said:
Surely distorted by the fact that a lot of people have no interest in betting on any matches involving Pakistan.AndyJS said:Headingley Test Match:
England 1.64
Pakistan 4.6
Draw 5.7
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/cricket/market/1.144271625
https://youtu.be/uYlk4izYVmw
Big problems for the sport I’m afraid, it’s totally rotten when players and staff of half a dozen nationalities can be connected back to a couple of dodgy people. Hopefully Al Jazeera have handed their dossier to the ICC, national associations and police in the various countries mentioned.
There was this dodgy match in the sandpit earlier this year, which was a completely unsactioned match at a small local ground - that was being televised in India, presumably purely for the bookmakers.
https://www.thenational.ae/sport/cricket/ajman-all-stars-league-subject-of-icc-anti-corruption-probe-1.700280
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Indeed. I suspect there’s a lot of hard work planning going on in private, rather than the political posturing that’s happening in public.Casino_Royale said:
There are all sorts of negotiations going on behind the scenes that are well advanced we know nothing about.CarlottaVance said:
https://twitter.com/AlexInAir/status/1002197880612978688TGOHF said:
Until we do our own bespoke deal.TheScreamingEagles said:
No. We’ll still get hit.TGOHF said:
So there will be a boost for Uk metal exporters from next March ?TheScreamingEagles said:Hurrah.
The United States has fired the opening shots in a trade war with three of its traditional allies after imposing tariffs on imported steel and aluminium from the European Union, Canada and Mexico.
Wilbur Ross, Donald Trump’s commerce secretary, said the 25% duty on steel and the 10% duty on aluminium would be imposed from midnight.
In a move that is likely to prompt retaliation from Brussels, Ross said talks with the EU had not shown enough progress for European steel and aluminium producers to continue to be exempted from the tariffs.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/may/31/us-fires-opening-salvo-in-trade-war-with-eu-canada-and-mexico?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other0 -
"Trump wants a total ban on German luxury car imports"
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/05/trump-wants-a-total-ban-on-german-luxury-car-imports/0 -
'Parliament must take back control...TheScreamingEagles said:I'm moving to Ilford so I can vote for Mike Gapes.
https://twitter.com/MikeGapes/status/1001902276380905472
Have to vote for a fellow Rick Astley fan.
...from the electorate'
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Don't blame Parliament, the voters are thick as mince, a majority of voters like pineapple on pizza.SandyRentool said:
'Parliament must take back control...TheScreamingEagles said:I'm moving to Ilford so I can vote for Mike Gapes.
https://twitter.com/MikeGapes/status/1001902276380905472
Have to vote for a fellow Rick Astley fan.
...from the electorate'
The plebs need saving from themselves.0 -
On which subject, last week for lunch I had salmon with 'warm pineapple salad'. Basically some mixed roasted vegetables with added pineapple.TheScreamingEagles said:
Don't blame Parliament, the voters are thick as mince, a majority of voters like pineapple on pizza.SandyRentool said:
'Parliament must take back control...TheScreamingEagles said:I'm moving to Ilford so I can vote for Mike Gapes.
https://twitter.com/MikeGapes/status/1001902276380905472
Have to vote for a fellow Rick Astley fan.
...from the electorate'
The plebs need saving from themselves.0 -
Spoken like a true Patrician a-hole!TheScreamingEagles said:
Don't blame Parliament, the voters are thick as mince, a majority of voters like pineapple on pizza.SandyRentool said:
'Parliament must take back control...TheScreamingEagles said:I'm moving to Ilford so I can vote for Mike Gapes.
https://twitter.com/MikeGapes/status/1001902276380905472
Have to vote for a fellow Rick Astley fan.
...from the electorate'
The plebs need saving from themselves.
BTW Pinapple in curry and/or biryani is infinitely worse!0 -
They’ll just make them in the US as they do now. The German brands outsell the American brands in the luxury sector because they’re generally better cars.JosiasJessop said:"Trump wants a total ban on German luxury car imports"
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/05/trump-wants-a-total-ban-on-german-luxury-car-imports/
This, however, is the sort of sh!t that the US gets really upset about: it’s a straight copy of an iPhone for half the price, sold in China by a Chinese company.
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/05/xiaomi-clones-the-iphone-x-for-420-adds-in-display-fingerprint-reader/0 -
We should be using that tactic in negotiations with the EU. WTO plus.JosiasJessop said:"Trump wants a total ban on German luxury car imports"
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/05/trump-wants-a-total-ban-on-german-luxury-car-imports/0 -
That you, Gideon?TheScreamingEagles said:
Don't blame Parliament, the voters are thick as mince, a majority of voters like pineapple on pizza.SandyRentool said:
'Parliament must take back control...TheScreamingEagles said:I'm moving to Ilford so I can vote for Mike Gapes.
https://twitter.com/MikeGapes/status/1001902276380905472
Have to vote for a fellow Rick Astley fan.
...from the electorate'
The plebs need saving from themselves.0 -
So
All you min yee um or Al ooh minum?0 -
Not voting tactically in Lewisham then Felix?felix said:Two postal votes received promptly today in SE Spain - completed and posted for the Tory in Lewisham East. Congratulations to Lewisham council fo their efficiency !
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The former. Aluminium was an official trade-off by the chemistry nerds in return for accepting the American spelling of sulfur.TheScreamingEagles said:So
All you min yee um or Al ooh minum?0 -
So, hows that trade deal negotiation going then, minister?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Correct answer, anyone who says the latter I hold in the same contempt as I do Hawaiian pizza lovers.DecrepitJohnL said:
The former. Aluminium was an official trade-off by the chemistry nerds in return for accepting the American spelling of sulfur.TheScreamingEagles said:So
All you min yee um or Al ooh minum?0 -
What a waste of Council Taxfelix said:
Lewisham cover the postage but I'd happily pay to exercise my democratic right to vote . I know that's an alien concept for some on the left to grasp.surby said:
What a wastage of money on the post !felix said:Two postal votes received promptly today in SE Spain - completed and posted for the Tory in Lewisham East. Congratulations to Lewisham council fo their efficiency !
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He has the look and demeanour of someone thinking 'Feck, I should have backed Remain'Foxy said:
So, hows that trade deal negotiation going then, minister?TheScreamingEagles said:
#TheSadnessInHisEyes0 -
Bet it is less than £2356.49 for a band E in Lewishambigjohnowls said:
What a waste of Council Taxfelix said:
Lewisham cover the postage but I'd happily pay to exercise my democratic right to vote . I know that's an alien concept for some on the left to grasp.surby said:
What a wastage of money on the post !felix said:Two postal votes received promptly today in SE Spain - completed and posted for the Tory in Lewisham East. Congratulations to Lewisham council fo their efficiency !
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If he ruled out counter measures, you'd say he was weak.Foxy said:
So, hows that trade deal negotiation going then, minister?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Yes.David_Evershed said:
Not voting tactically in Lewisham then Felix?felix said:Two postal votes received promptly today in SE Spain - completed and posted for the Tory in Lewisham East. Congratulations to Lewisham council fo their efficiency !
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bigjohnowls said:
What a waste of Council Taxfelix said:
Lewisham cover the postage but I'd happily pay to exercise my democratic right to vote . I know that's an alien concept for some on the left to grasp.surby said:
What a wastage of money on the post !felix said:Two postal votes received promptly today in SE Spain - completed and posted for the Tory in Lewisham East. Congratulations to Lewisham council fo their efficiency !
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Sulfur?!? I'd rather stay in the EU than adopt that spelling!DecrepitJohnL said:
The former. Aluminium was an official trade-off by the chemistry nerds in return for accepting the American spelling of sulfur.TheScreamingEagles said:So
All you min yee um or Al ooh minum?0 -
https://tinyurl.com/ybtudjk9Pulpstar said:
Bet it is less than £2356.49 for a band E in Lewishambigjohnowls said:
What a waste of Council Taxfelix said:
Lewisham cover the postage but I'd happily pay to exercise my democratic right to vote . I know that's an alien concept for some on the left to grasp.surby said:
What a wastage of money on the post !felix said:Two postal votes received promptly today in SE Spain - completed and posted for the Tory in Lewisham East. Congratulations to Lewisham council fo their efficiency !
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It's almost like Rivera has a personal connection with PP.
https://twitter.com/RobertHMerriman/status/1002188107347709952
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The most corrupt politician in Europe? Luftur Rahman will probably be annoyed at losing his title.Theuniondivvie said:It's almost like Rivera has connections to PP.
https://twitter.com/RobertHMerriman/status/10021881073477099520 -
Maybe you should have to send ID in as well in the future.felix said:
Lewisham cover the postage but I'd happily pay to exercise my democratic right to vote . I know that's an alien concept for some on the left to grasp.surby said:
What a wastage of money on the post !felix said:Two postal votes received promptly today in SE Spain - completed and posted for the Tory in Lewisham East. Congratulations to Lewisham council fo their efficiency !
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No, just hypocritesfelix said:
Residency is not citizenship. The rules are the same for everyone. Unless you'd like to ban British citizens from owning property abroad.The_Taxman said:
Surely he has NO business siting in the House of Lords if he is residant in France. The anti -brexit newspapers should be shaming Lord Lawson and JRM as the unacceptable face of Brexit. Both are guilty of saying one thing and doing another. It is one rule for the rich and powerful and another for the poor.rottenborough said:Fenman said:
And Brexycrite Lord Lawson has just announced that he's applying for French residencywilliamglenn said:
A Brexit which none of the people who care about the issue accept cannot ever resolve matters. It would just ensure the issue remained open for years longer.david_herdson said:
Actually, a soft Brexit will be fine with 80%+ of the population. it just won't please anyone who really cares about the EU.Elliot said:
Exactly. A soft Brexit pleases no one.SandyRentool said:
Leading question. Who says a compromise is sensible? More likely a fudge between the worst of being in and the worst of being out.TheScreamingEagles said:
He'll be telling us next that he's put all his money into carbon capture.0 -
Re Italy
Cottarelli has given back the task to form a government
Conte to be received by Mattarella at 9 PM
Rumoured line up
Deputy PM and Work and Economic Development: Luigi Di Maio
Deputy PM and Home Office: Matteo Salvini
Economy: Giovanni Tria (Lega)
Public Administration: Giulia Bongiorno (Lega).
Regional Affairs: Erika Stefani (Lega).
European Affairs: Savona
South: Barbara Lezzi (M5S).
Disables: Lorenzo Fontana (Lega).
Foreign Affairs: Moavero Milanesi.
Justice: Alfonso Bonafede (M5S).
Defence:: Elisabetta Trenta (M5S).
Agricolture: Gian Marco Centinaio (Lega).
Infrastrucure: Mauro Coltorti (M5S).
Education: Marco Bussetti (Lega).
Culture: Alberto Bonisoli (M5S).
Health: Giulia Grillo (M5S).
Relationship with Parliament: Riccardo Fraccaro (M5S)
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Every day in every way the brexit nonsense is being exposedTheScreamingEagles said:
He has the look and demeanour of someone thinking 'Feck, I should have backed Remain'Foxy said:
So, hows that trade deal negotiation going then, minister?TheScreamingEagles said:
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Of course, for a Conservative like you the Lib Dems are the enemy. Labour are the Opposition and serve a useful purpose in that role.felix said:
Yes.David_Evershed said:
Not voting tactically in Lewisham then Felix?felix said:Two postal votes received promptly today in SE Spain - completed and posted for the Tory in Lewisham East. Congratulations to Lewisham council fo their efficiency !
I remember what happened in a constituency not far from Lewisham East when the Conservative voters realised there was another way to stop Labour winning a by-election.0 -
Now this was a waste of council tax:
https://853london.com/2018/05/31/greenwich-council-leader-to-scrap-painted-hall-mayor-making-junkets/
What else should one expect from a Labour stronghold?0 -
If we had voted Remain we would be subject to these tariffs on the EU indefinitely, post Brexit it is possible Trump could exempt the UK as he has done for Australia and South Korea for exampleTheScreamingEagles said:
He has the look and demeanour of someone thinking 'Feck, I should have backed Remain'Foxy said:
So, hows that trade deal negotiation going then, minister?TheScreamingEagles said:
#TheSadnessInHisEyes0 -
https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1002241547537174528HYUFD said:
If we had voted Remain we would be subject to these tariffs on the EU indefinitely, post Brexit it is possible Trump could exempt the UK as he has done for Australia and South Korea for exampleTheScreamingEagles said:
He has the look and demeanour of someone thinking 'Feck, I should have backed Remain'Foxy said:
So, hows that trade deal negotiation going then, minister?TheScreamingEagles said:
#TheSadnessInHisEyes0 -
Will this one be given the nod do you think ?AndreaParma_82 said:Re Italy
Cottarelli has given back the task to form a government
Conte to be received by Mattarella at 9 PM
Rumoured line up
Deputy PM and Work and Economic Development: Luigi Di Maio
Deputy PM and Home Office: Matteo Salvini
Economy: Giovanni Tria (Lega)
Public Administration: Giulia Bongiorno (Lega).
Regional Affairs: Erika Stefani (Lega).
European Affairs: Savona
South: Barbara Lezzi (M5S).
Disables: Lorenzo Fontana (Lega).
Foreign Affairs: Moavero Milanesi.
Justice: Alfonso Bonafede (M5S).
Defence:: Elisabetta Trenta (M5S).
Agricolture: Gian Marco Centinaio (Lega).
Infrastrucure: Mauro Coltorti (M5S).
Education: Marco Bussetti (Lega).
Culture: Alberto Bonisoli (M5S).
Health: Giulia Grillo (M5S).
Relationship with Parliament: Riccardo Fraccaro (M5S)0 -
That does not change the point, Trump has hinted he may ultimately give the UK an exemption as we pay our NATO bills unlike say GermanyTheScreamingEagles said:
https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1002241547537174528HYUFD said:
If we had voted Remain we would be subject to these tariffs on the EU indefinitely, post Brexit it is possible Trump could exempt the UK as he has done for Australia and South Korea for exampleTheScreamingEagles said:
He has the look and demeanour of someone thinking 'Feck, I should have backed Remain'Foxy said:
So, hows that trade deal negotiation going then, minister?TheScreamingEagles said:
#TheSadnessInHisEyes
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/929374/Donald-Trump-steel-aluminium-tariffs-Theresa-May-UK-exemption-Mexico-Canada0 -
Rivera is not 'ultranationalist' but a liberal who just wants to keep Spain unitedTheuniondivvie said:It's almost like Rivera has a personal connection with PP.
https://twitter.com/RobertHMerriman/status/10021881073477099520 -
TheScreamingEagles said:
https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1002241547537174528HYUFD said:
If we had voted Remain we would be subject to these tariffs on the EU indefinitely, post Brexit it is possible Trump could exempt the UK as he has done for Australia and South Korea for exampleTheScreamingEagles said:
He has the look and demeanour of someone thinking 'Feck, I should have backed Remain'Foxy said:
So, hows that trade deal negotiation going then, minister?TheScreamingEagles said:
#TheSadnessInHisEyes
My colleague and near namesake (Dr Fox) is the pineapple on the Brexit pizza.TheScreamingEagles said:
He has the look and demeanour of someone thinking 'Feck, I should have backed Remain'Foxy said:
So, hows that trade deal negotiation going then, minister?TheScreamingEagles said:
#TheSadnessInHisEyes0 -
Will that be in 2023 after Mays Custom Union ends?HYUFD said:
That does not change the point, Trump has hinted he may ultimately give the UK an exemption as we pay our NATO bills unlike say GermanyTheScreamingEagles said:
https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1002241547537174528HYUFD said:
If we had voted Remain we would be subject to these tariffs on the EU indefinitely, post Brexit it is possible Trump could exempt the UK as he has done for Australia and South Korea for exampleTheScreamingEagles said:
He has the look and demeanour of someone thinking 'Feck, I should have backed Remain'Foxy said:
So, hows that trade deal negotiation going then, minister?TheScreamingEagles said:
#TheSadnessInHisEyes
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/929374/Donald-Trump-steel-aluminium-tariffs-Theresa-May-UK-exemption-Mexico-Canada 0 -
No. Simply prefer my party loyalty this time. Lewisham once had 2 Tory MPs - the past is another country.stodge said:
Of course, for a Conservative like you the Lib Dems are the enemy. Labour are the Opposition and serve a useful purpose in that role.felix said:
Yes.David_Evershed said:
Not voting tactically in Lewisham then Felix?felix said:Two postal votes received promptly today in SE Spain - completed and posted for the Tory in Lewisham East. Congratulations to Lewisham council fo their efficiency !
I remember what happened in a constituency not far from Lewisham East when the Conservative voters realised there was another way to stop Labour winning a by-election.0 -
Which could still be in the 2nd term of a Trump Presidency of course though we will be out of the full Customs Union by the end of 2020 on May's timetableFoxy said:
Will that be in 2023 after Mays Custom Union ends?HYUFD said:
That does not change the point, Trump has hinted he may ultimately give the UK an exemption as we pay our NATO bills unlike say GermanyTheScreamingEagles said:
https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1002241547537174528HYUFD said:
If we had voted Remain we would be subject to these tariffs on the EU indefinitely, post Brexit it is possible Trump could exempt the UK as he has done for Australia and South Korea for exampleTheScreamingEagles said:
He has the look and demeanour of someone thinking 'Feck, I should have backed Remain'Foxy said:
So, hows that trade deal negotiation going then, minister?TheScreamingEagles said:
#TheSadnessInHisEyes
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/929374/Donald-Trump-steel-aluminium-tariffs-Theresa-May-UK-exemption-Mexico-Canada0 -
Already done when I registered.Yorkcity said:
Maybe you should have to send ID in as well in the future.felix said:
Lewisham cover the postage but I'd happily pay to exercise my democratic right to vote . I know that's an alien concept for some on the left to grasp.surby said:
What a wastage of money on the post !felix said:Two postal votes received promptly today in SE Spain - completed and posted for the Tory in Lewisham East. Congratulations to Lewisham council fo their efficiency !
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Unless the LDs commit to vote down a Corbyn government a LD vote is a vote to get Corbyn by the backdoor as well as a vote for a party more hostile to Brexit than Corbyn Labour arestodge said:
Of course, for a Conservative like you the Lib Dems are the enemy. Labour are the Opposition and serve a useful purpose in that role.felix said:
Yes.David_Evershed said:
Not voting tactically in Lewisham then Felix?felix said:Two postal votes received promptly today in SE Spain - completed and posted for the Tory in Lewisham East. Congratulations to Lewisham council fo their efficiency !
I remember what happened in a constituency not far from Lewisham East when the Conservative voters realised there was another way to stop Labour winning a by-election.0 -
Bitterness just adds years to the complexion.Fenman said:
No, just hypocritesfelix said:
Residency is not citizenship. The rules are the same for everyone. Unless you'd like to ban British citizens from owning property abroad.The_Taxman said:
Surely he has NO business siting in the House of Lords if he is residant in France. The anti -brexit newspapers should be shaming Lord Lawson and JRM as the unacceptable face of Brexit. Both are guilty of saying one thing and doing another. It is one rule for the rich and powerful and another for the poor.rottenborough said:Fenman said:
And Brexycrite Lord Lawson has just announced that he's applying for French residencywilliamglenn said:
A Brexit which none of the people who care about the issue accept cannot ever resolve matters. It would just ensure the issue remained open for years longer.david_herdson said:
Actually, a soft Brexit will be fine with 80%+ of the population. it just won't please anyone who really cares about the EU.Elliot said:
Exactly. A soft Brexit pleases no one.SandyRentool said:
Leading question. Who says a compromise is sensible? More likely a fudge between the worst of being in and the worst of being out.TheScreamingEagles said:
He'll be telling us next that he's put all his money into carbon capture.0 -
Savona, Europe - top trolling.Pulpstar said:
Will this one be given the nod do you think ?AndreaParma_82 said:Re Italy
Cottarelli has given back the task to form a government
Conte to be received by Mattarella at 9 PM
Rumoured line up
Deputy PM and Work and Economic Development: Luigi Di Maio
Deputy PM and Home Office: Matteo Salvini
Economy: Giovanni Tria (Lega)
Public Administration: Giulia Bongiorno (Lega).
Regional Affairs: Erika Stefani (Lega).
European Affairs: Savona
South: Barbara Lezzi (M5S).
Disables: Lorenzo Fontana (Lega).
Foreign Affairs: Moavero Milanesi.
Justice: Alfonso Bonafede (M5S).
Defence:: Elisabetta Trenta (M5S).
Agricolture: Gian Marco Centinaio (Lega).
Infrastrucure: Mauro Coltorti (M5S).
Education: Marco Bussetti (Lega).
Culture: Alberto Bonisoli (M5S).
Health: Giulia Grillo (M5S).
Relationship with Parliament: Riccardo Fraccaro (M5S)
But, I guess he won't have the same power he would have done at Economy, so it might fly.0 -
"Corbyn wades into Chuka Umunna 'unpaid intern' row"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44323445
Yeah Jezza. Instead of unpaid interns, Umunna should just have employed a son of a friend. That's perfectly fair and equitable, as you well know. 0 -
The 'nation' of Spain.HYUFD said:
Rivera is not 'ultranationalist' but a liberal who just wants to keep Spain unitedTheuniondivvie said:It's almost like Rivera has a personal connection with PP.
https://twitter.com/RobertHMerriman/status/1002188107347709952
Rather odd that the 'liberal' leader of an opposition party should think the downfall of the Francoist leader of a corrupt, nationalist party is a tragedy.0 -
That's just absurd and slightly desperate rubbish. No LD has stated the Party will support a minority Labour Government, indeed no LD has said the party won't support a minority Conservative Government.HYUFD said:
Unless the LDs commit to vote down a Corbyn government a LD vote is a vote to get Corbyn by the backdoor as well as a vote for a party more hostile to Brexit than Corbyn Labour are
This is the typical Conservative tactic of claiming that everyone is against them and no one will help the poor old Tories - despite the fact the Conservative Party has governed with support from other parties from both 2010-15 and from 2017.
As a Conservative member you want to maximise the Conservative vote - I get that, I really do but to assume every non-Conservative vote is a pro-Labour vote is just pathetic.0 -
In fairness, a lot of Labour members seem to think the exact same way when they talk of anti-Tory majorities as though it would therefore be dead simple to get the LDs or whoever to do what they wanted.stodge said:HYUFD said:
Unless the LDs commit to vote down a Corbyn government a LD vote is a vote to get Corbyn by the backdoor as well as a vote for a party more hostile to Brexit than Corbyn Labour are
As a Conservative member you want to maximise the Conservative vote - I get that, I really do but to assume every non-Conservative vote is a pro-Labour vote is just pathetic.0 -
Yes and all the talk about a "progressive majority" is misplaced. HYUFD is a Conservative activist - it's perfectly reasonable for him to want to maximise the Conservative vote but it's the same old tactic which comes down to "if you're not with us, you're against us".kle4 said:
In fairness, a lot of Labour members seem to think the exact same way when they talk of anti-Tory majorities as though it would therefore be dead simple to get the LDs or whoever to do what they wanted.
I find that curious coming from a party which after two of the last three elections has had to go and talk to other parties to get into or remain in Government. Clearly, the Conservatives will talk to other parties and are quite happy to do so when it is in their best interests but that's pragmatic politics.
No one in the LDs I talk to is thinking about supporting Corbyn or May - indeed, most of us regard them with equal distaste but that's our prerogative from 12 MPs. IF it seems likely a 2010 or Feb 74 situation is likely yo exist after the next GE, the Party will have to ask itself some searching questions.
I haven't seen the 2022 Labour manifesto or its Conservative equivalent so I don't know what either party is proposing and which of the two is nearer the LD position at that time.
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The Falange and their fellow travellers. The Bishop will probably hold a special mass too.Theuniondivvie said:
The 'nation' of Spain.HYUFD said:
Rivera is not 'ultranationalist' but a liberal who just wants to keep Spain unitedTheuniondivvie said:It's almost like Rivera has a personal connection with PP.
https://twitter.com/RobertHMerriman/status/1002188107347709952
Rather odd that the 'liberal' leader of an opposition party should think the downfall of the Francoist leader of a corrupt, nationalist party is a tragedy.0 -
That party won most votes and seats at the last general election and until the next one has the biggest mandate to lead a government.Theuniondivvie said:
The 'nation' of Spain.HYUFD said:
Rivera is not 'ultranationalist' but a liberal who just wants to keep Spain unitedTheuniondivvie said:It's almost like Rivera has a personal connection with PP.
https://twitter.com/RobertHMerriman/status/1002188107347709952
Rather odd that the 'liberal' leader of an opposition party should think the downfall of the Francoist leader of a corrupt, nationalist party is a tragedy.
Also your supporting calling Rivera 'ultranationalist' while being a supporter of the Scottish National Party is beyond satire!0 -
After Real Madrid? form an orderly queue Franco's boys...SandyRentool said:
The Falange and their fellow travellers. The Bishop will probably hold a special mass too.Theuniondivvie said:
The 'nation' of Spain.HYUFD said:
Rivera is not 'ultranationalist' but a liberal who just wants to keep Spain unitedTheuniondivvie said:It's almost like Rivera has a personal connection with PP.
https://twitter.com/RobertHMerriman/status/1002188107347709952
Rather odd that the 'liberal' leader of an opposition party should think the downfall of the Francoist leader of a corrupt, nationalist party is a tragedy.0 -
I am not only a Tory activist I intend to do at least one Saturday campaigning in Lewisham East.stodge said:
That's just absurd and slightly desperate rubbish. No LD has stated the Party will support a minority Labour Government, indeed no LD has said the party won't support a minority Conservative Government.HYUFD said:
Unless the LDs commit to vote down a Corbyn government a LD vote is a vote to get Corbyn by the backdoor as well as a vote for a party more hostile to Brexit than Corbyn Labour are
This is the typical Conservative tactic of claiming that everyone is against them and no one will help the poor old Tories - despite the fact the Conservative Party has governed with support from other parties from both 2010-15 and from 2017.
As a Conservative member you want to maximise the Conservative vote - I get that, I really do but to assume every non-Conservative vote is a pro-Labour vote is just pathetic.
The Conservative Party should be aiming for a majority Conservative government not lending votes to the LDs in a by election which would end up most probably with the main headline being 'LDs beat Tories for 2nd place' not 'LDs gain Lewisham East from Labour'0 -
I suspect any formal deal would go out to amembership consultation, but personally I would stick to ad hoc support for individual bills.stodge said:
Yes and all the talk about a "progressive majority" is misplaced. HYUFD is a Conservative activist - it's perfectly reasonable for him to want to maximise the Conservative vote but it's the same old tactic which comes down to "if you're not with us, you're against us".kle4 said:
In fairness, a lot of Labour members seem to think the exact same way when they talk of anti-Tory majorities as though it would therefore be dead simple to get the LDs or whoever to do what they wanted.
I find that curious coming from a party which after two of the last three elections has had to go and talk to other parties to get into or remain in Government. Clearly, the Conservatives will talk to other parties and are quite happy to do so when it is in their best interests but that's pragmatic politics.
No one in the LDs I talk to is thinking about supporting Corbyn or May - indeed, most of us regard them with equal distaste but that's our prerogative from 12 MPs. IF it seems likely a 2010 or Feb 74 situation is likely yo exist after the next GE, the Party will have to ask itself some searching questions.
I haven't seen the 2022 Labour manifesto or its Conservative equivalent so I don't know what either party is proposing and which of the two is nearer the LD position at that time.0 -
Though have not yet applied for residencySeanT said:
I do it at least once a month, myself.HYUFD said:
Nothing quite like being a Brexiteer commenting on Brexit by the pool from your chateau in the south of France while drinking vintage champagne!Fenman said:
And Brexycrite Lord Lawson has just announced that he's applying for French residencywilliamglenn said:
A Brexit which none of the people who care about the issue accept cannot ever resolve matters. It would just ensure the issue remained open for years longer.david_herdson said:
Actually, a soft Brexit will be fine with 80%+ of the population. it just won't please anyone who really cares about the EU.Elliot said:
Exactly. A soft Brexit pleases no one.SandyRentool said:
Leading question. Who says a compromise is sensible? More likely a fudge between the worst of being in and the worst of being out.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
I sense your accquantance with satire is a distant one at the best of times.HYUFD said:
That party won most votes and seats at the last general election and until the next one has the biggest mandate to lead a government.Theuniondivvie said:
The 'nation' of Spain.HYUFD said:
Rivera is not 'ultranationalist' but a liberal who just wants to keep Spain unitedTheuniondivvie said:It's almost like Rivera has a personal connection with PP.
https://twitter.com/RobertHMerriman/status/1002188107347709952
Rather odd that the 'liberal' leader of an opposition party should think the downfall of the Francoist leader of a corrupt, nationalist party is a tragedy.
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I've absolutely no issue with that just as you won't have a problem with me working for the LDs in Lewisham East. I don't think either of us will be on the winning side but that isn't the point. I don't want to give Labour a free ride any more than you do and that's not how democracy is or should be.HYUFD said:
I am not only a Tory activist I intend to do at least one Saturday campaigning in Lewisham East.
The Conservative Party should be aiming for a majority Conservative government not lending votes to the LDs in a by election which would end up most probably with the main headline being 'LDs beat Tories for 2nd place' not 'LDs gain Lewisham East from Labour'
The point you made earlier was to allege the LDs would prop up a minority Corbyn Government and I understand why the Conservatives would want that as a message but it's not true at this time and hopefully not at any time.
IF we finish up with a minority Corbyn Government, it won't matter if the LDs vote against if the Conservatives do what they did when this happened before and abstained on Wilson's Queen's Speech in March 1974. How do I know the Conservatives won't run away again if a minority Corbyn Government puts forward its legislative plan ?
Where is the Conservative commitment to vote down the Queen's Speech of a minority Labour Government ?
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According to (fake news) CNN, Trump considering pardoning Martha Stewart....0
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How long do these Quiranale meetings normally take :O ?
I was in bed when last sunday's debacle unfolded.0 -
My point was unless the LDs give a clear commitment to vote down a Corbyn government and vote for May in a vote of confidence if they hold the balance of power no Tory supporter should be 'lending' their vote to the LDs. You could just about make a case to do so in 2015 when the LDs were in coalition with the Tories but not now especially given Cable's past sympathies with Labour and his hostility to Brexit.stodge said:
I've absolutely no issue with that just as you won't have a problem with me working for the LDs in Lewisham East. I don't think either of us will be on the winning side but that isn't the point. I don't want to give Labour a free ride any more than you do and that's not how democracy is or should be.HYUFD said:
I am not only a Tory activist I intend to do at least one Saturday campaigning in Lewisham East.
The Conservative Party should be aiming for a majority Conservative government not lending votes to the LDs in a by election which would end up most probably with the main headline being 'LDs beat Tories for 2nd place' not 'LDs gain Lewisham East from Labour'
The point you made earlier was to allege the LDs would prop up a minority Corbyn Government and I understand why the Conservatives would want that as a message but it's not true at this time and hopefully not at any time.
IF we finish up with a minority Corbyn Government, it won't matter if the LDs vote against if the Conservatives do what they did when this happened before and abstained on Wilson's Queen's Speech in March 1974. How do I know the Conservatives won't run away again if a minority Corbyn Government puts forward its legislative plan ?
Where is the Conservative commitment to vote down the Queen's Speech of a minority Labour Government ?
Heath clearly aimed for a majority in Feb 1974, as he achieved in 1970, he only abstained on the Queen's Speech after losing that majority and after coalition talks with the Liberals failed after Thorpe's demand for PR. If you don't aim for a majority and to maximise your voteshare before a general election, especially with our FPTP system, there is clearly little point being in the game at all. Not to mention Lewisham East was Tory in 1983 and 1987 but has never been Liberal
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The number plate says a lot about John Bercow. So does the way he often officiates with one foot on the other knee. Is that an official car?
He said he'd serve no more than 9 years. That was on 22 June 2009. When's the biggest vote on a current Brexit bill likely to be held in the Commons?
The latest issue of Private Eye has some corking info on how certain of his critics in that chamber have managed to see the errors of their ways.
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It wouldn’t surprise me if Trump tweeted that Tommy Robinson should be pardoned.FrancisUrquhart said:According to (fake news) CNN, Trump considering pardoning Martha Stewart....
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I see Savona gets European affairs! So who can say.Pulpstar said:
Will this one be given the nod do you think ?AndreaParma_82 said:Re Italy
Cottarelli has given back the task to form a government
Conte to be received by Mattarella at 9 PM
Rumoured line up
Deputy PM and Work and Economic Development: Luigi Di Maio
Deputy PM and Home Office: Matteo Salvini
Economy: Giovanni Tria (Lega)
Public Administration: Giulia Bongiorno (Lega).
Regional Affairs: Erika Stefani (Lega).
European Affairs: Savona
South: Barbara Lezzi (M5S).
Disables: Lorenzo Fontana (Lega).
Foreign Affairs: Moavero Milanesi.
Justice: Alfonso Bonafede (M5S).
Defence:: Elisabetta Trenta (M5S).
Agricolture: Gian Marco Centinaio (Lega).
Infrastrucure: Mauro Coltorti (M5S).
Education: Marco Bussetti (Lega).
Culture: Alberto Bonisoli (M5S).
Health: Giulia Grillo (M5S).
Relationship with Parliament: Riccardo Fraccaro (M5S)
PS Is Erika Stefani related to Gwen?0
