Howdy, Stranger!

It looks like you're new here. Sign in or register to get started.

Options

politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » From bollocks to Brexit to bollocks to Bercow?

24

Comments

  • Options
    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,522

    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    Hurrah.

    The United States has fired the opening shots in a trade war with three of its traditional allies after imposing tariffs on imported steel and aluminium from the European Union, Canada and Mexico.

    Wilbur Ross, Donald Trump’s commerce secretary, said the 25% duty on steel and the 10% duty on aluminium would be imposed from midnight.

    In a move that is likely to prompt retaliation from Brussels, Ross said talks with the EU had not shown enough progress for European steel and aluminium producers to continue to be exempted from the tariffs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/may/31/us-fires-opening-salvo-in-trade-war-with-eu-canada-and-mexico?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    So there will be a boost for Uk metal exporters from next March ?
    No. We’ll still get hit.
    Until we do our own bespoke deal.
    https://twitter.com/AlexInAir/status/1002197880612978688
    There are all sorts of negotiations going on behind the scenes that are well advanced we know nothing about.
  • Options
    The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979

    Fenman said:

    Elliot said:

    Leading question. Who says a compromise is sensible? More likely a fudge between the worst of being in and the worst of being out.
    Exactly. A soft Brexit pleases no one.
    Actually, a soft Brexit will be fine with 80%+ of the population. it just won't please anyone who really cares about the EU.
    A Brexit which none of the people who care about the issue accept cannot ever resolve matters. It would just ensure the issue remained open for years longer.
    And Brexycrite Lord Lawson has just announced that he's applying for French residency
    :lol:

    He'll be telling us next that he's put all his money into carbon capture.
    Surely he has NO business siting in the House of Lords if he is residant in France. The anti -brexit newspapers should be shaming Lord Lawson and JRM as the unacceptable face of Brexit. Both are guilty of saying one thing and doing another. It is one rule for the rich and powerful and another for the poor.
  • Options
    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,986
    *Prays for his terrible bet*

    Giuseppe Conte 1.11 £230.00 £25.78 'back'
  • Options
    RobDRobD Posts: 58,987

    Fenman said:

    Elliot said:

    Leading question. Who says a compromise is sensible? More likely a fudge between the worst of being in and the worst of being out.
    Exactly. A soft Brexit pleases no one.
    Actually, a soft Brexit will be fine with 80%+ of the population. it just won't please anyone who really cares about the EU.
    A Brexit which none of the people who care about the issue accept cannot ever resolve matters. It would just ensure the issue remained open for years longer.
    And Brexycrite Lord Lawson has just announced that he's applying for French residency
    :lol:

    He'll be telling us next that he's put all his money into carbon capture.
    Surely he has NO business siting in the House of Lords if he is residant in France. The anti -brexit newspapers should be shaming Lord Lawson and JRM as the unacceptable face of Brexit. Both are guilty of saying one thing and doing another. It is one rule for the rich and powerful and another for the poor.
    Not sure the rules are any different, unless other Britons are being denied residency?
  • Options
    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    His party is averaging about 19% in the polls.
  • Options
    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,126

    Hurrah.

    The United States has fired the opening shots in a trade war with three of its traditional allies after imposing tariffs on imported steel and aluminium from the European Union, Canada and Mexico.

    Wilbur Ross, Donald Trump’s commerce secretary, said the 25% duty on steel and the 10% duty on aluminium would be imposed from midnight.

    In a move that is likely to prompt retaliation from Brussels, Ross said talks with the EU had not shown enough progress for European steel and aluminium producers to continue to be exempted from the tariffs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/may/31/us-fires-opening-salvo-in-trade-war-with-eu-canada-and-mexico?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    Does that exclude the UK post Brexit then?
  • Options
    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,126

    Elliot said:

    Leading question. Who says a compromise is sensible? More likely a fudge between the worst of being in and the worst of being out.
    Exactly. A soft Brexit pleases no one.
    Actually, a soft Brexit will be fine with 80%+ of the population. it just won't please anyone who really cares about the EU.
    A soft Brexit with some limits on FoM
  • Options
    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,126
    Fenman said:

    Elliot said:

    Leading question. Who says a compromise is sensible? More likely a fudge between the worst of being in and the worst of being out.
    Exactly. A soft Brexit pleases no one.
    Actually, a soft Brexit will be fine with 80%+ of the population. it just won't please anyone who really cares about the EU.
    A Brexit which none of the people who care about the issue accept cannot ever resolve matters. It would just ensure the issue remained open for years longer.
    And Brexycrite Lord Lawson has just announced that he's applying for French residency
    Nothing quite like being a Brexiteer commenting on Brexit by the pool from your chateau in the south of France while drinking vintage champagne!
  • Options
    felixfelix Posts: 15,125

    Fenman said:

    Elliot said:

    Leading question. Who says a compromise is sensible? More likely a fudge between the worst of being in and the worst of being out.
    Exactly. A soft Brexit pleases no one.
    Actually, a soft Brexit will be fine with 80%+ of the population. it just won't please anyone who really cares about the EU.
    A Brexit which none of the people who care about the issue accept cannot ever resolve matters. It would just ensure the issue remained open for years longer.
    And Brexycrite Lord Lawson has just announced that he's applying for French residency
    :lol:

    He'll be telling us next that he's put all his money into carbon capture.
    Surely he has NO business siting in the House of Lords if he is residant in France. The anti -brexit newspapers should be shaming Lord Lawson and JRM as the unacceptable face of Brexit. Both are guilty of saying one thing and doing another. It is one rule for the rich and powerful and another for the poor.
    Residency is not citizenship. The rules are the same for everyone. Unless you'd like to ban British citizens from owning property abroad.
  • Options
    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,763
    HYUFD said:

    Fenman said:

    Elliot said:

    Leading question. Who says a compromise is sensible? More likely a fudge between the worst of being in and the worst of being out.
    Exactly. A soft Brexit pleases no one.
    Actually, a soft Brexit will be fine with 80%+ of the population. it just won't please anyone who really cares about the EU.
    A Brexit which none of the people who care about the issue accept cannot ever resolve matters. It would just ensure the issue remained open for years longer.
    And Brexycrite Lord Lawson has just announced that he's applying for French residency
    Nothing quite like being a Brexiteer commenting on Brexit by the pool from your chateau in the south of France while drinking vintage champagne!
    I wonder if he knows Roger ?
  • Options
    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,002
    Mr. Pulpstar, if it helps, there's a precedent for an academic rising from obscurity to power (Julian the Apostate, 4th century AD).
  • Options
    surbysurby Posts: 1,227
    felix said:

    Fenman said:

    Elliot said:

    Leading question. Who says a compromise is sensible? More likely a fudge between the worst of being in and the worst of being out.
    Exactly. A soft Brexit pleases no one.
    Actually, a soft Brexit will be fine with 80%+ of the population. it just won't please anyone who really cares about the EU.
    A Brexit which none of the people who care about the issue accept cannot ever resolve matters. It would just ensure the issue remained open for years longer.
    And Brexycrite Lord Lawson has just announced that he's applying for French residency
    :lol:

    He'll be telling us next that he's put all his money into carbon capture.
    Surely he has NO business siting in the House of Lords if he is residant in France. The anti -brexit newspapers should be shaming Lord Lawson and JRM as the unacceptable face of Brexit. Both are guilty of saying one thing and doing another. It is one rule for the rich and powerful and another for the poor.
    Residency is not citizenship. The rules are the same for everyone. Unless you'd like to ban British citizens from owning property abroad.
    He lives there !
  • Options
    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941
    felix said:

    Fenman said:

    Elliot said:

    Leading question. Who says a compromise is sensible? More likely a fudge between the worst of being in and the worst of being out.
    Exactly. A soft Brexit pleases no one.
    Actually, a soft Brexit will be fine with 80%+ of the population. it just won't please anyone who really cares about the EU.
    A Brexit which none of the people who care about the issue accept cannot ever resolve matters. It would just ensure the issue remained open for years longer.
    And Brexycrite Lord Lawson has just announced that he's applying for French residency
    :lol:

    He'll be telling us next that he's put all his money into carbon capture.
    Surely he has NO business siting in the House of Lords if he is residant in France. The anti -brexit newspapers should be shaming Lord Lawson and JRM as the unacceptable face of Brexit. Both are guilty of saying one thing and doing another. It is one rule for the rich and powerful and another for the poor.
    Residency is not citizenship. The rules are the same for everyone. Unless you'd like to ban British citizens from owning property abroad.
    Don’t give John McDonnell any more ideas!
  • Options
    JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    During the expenses scandal, Lord Lawson was found to have claimed £16,000 in overnight expenses from his main residence in Gascony.

    Why should his continuing to want to live there now be an unacceptable hypocrisy?
  • Options
    RobDRobD Posts: 58,987
    surby said:

    felix said:

    Fenman said:

    Elliot said:

    Leading question. Who says a compromise is sensible? More likely a fudge between the worst of being in and the worst of being out.
    Exactly. A soft Brexit pleases no one.
    Actually, a soft Brexit will be fine with 80%+ of the population. it just won't please anyone who really cares about the EU.
    A Brexit which none of the people who care about the issue accept cannot ever resolve matters. It would just ensure the issue remained open for years longer.
    And Brexycrite Lord Lawson has just announced that he's applying for French residency
    :lol:

    He'll be telling us next that he's put all his money into carbon capture.
    Surely he has NO business siting in the House of Lords if he is residant in France. The anti -brexit newspapers should be shaming Lord Lawson and JRM as the unacceptable face of Brexit. Both are guilty of saying one thing and doing another. It is one rule for the rich and powerful and another for the poor.
    Residency is not citizenship. The rules are the same for everyone. Unless you'd like to ban British citizens from owning property abroad.
    He lives there !
    And for quite some time, as I understand it. Given his interests, he probably spends enough time in the UK to qualify as a resident for tax purposes in both countries.
  • Options
    surbysurby Posts: 1,227
    felix said:

    Two postal votes received promptly today in SE Spain - completed and posted for the Tory in Lewisham East. Congratulations to Lewisham council fo their efficiency !

    What a wastage of money on the post !
  • Options
    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,986
    Cranes visible on the Sheffield skyline btw. More than I can remember for a while
  • Options
    RobDRobD Posts: 58,987
    surby said:

    felix said:

    Two postal votes received promptly today in SE Spain - completed and posted for the Tory in Lewisham East. Congratulations to Lewisham council fo their efficiency !

    What a wastage of money on the post !
    Who knows what might happen in the next few weeks... ;)
  • Options
    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,563
    Pulpstar said:

    Cranes visible on the Sheffield skyline btw. More than I can remember for a while

    In the city centre, the redevelopment of the Retail Quarter is something.
  • Options
    surbysurby Posts: 1,227
    Sandpit said:

    AndyJS said:

    Headingley Test Match:

    England 1.64
    Pakistan 4.6
    Draw 5.7

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/cricket/market/1.144271625

    Surely distorted by the fact that a lot of people have no interest in betting on any matches involving Pakistan.
    Can't trust English players. Some could be upto some scam, like slow batting ....
  • Options
    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,126

    HYUFD said:

    Fenman said:

    Elliot said:

    Leading question. Who says a compromise is sensible? More likely a fudge between the worst of being in and the worst of being out.
    Exactly. A soft Brexit pleases no one.
    Actually, a soft Brexit will be fine with 80%+ of the population. it just won't please anyone who really cares about the EU.
    A Brexit which none of the people who care about the issue accept cannot ever resolve matters. It would just ensure the issue remained open for years longer.
    And Brexycrite Lord Lawson has just announced that he's applying for French residency
    Nothing quite like being a Brexiteer commenting on Brexit by the pool from your chateau in the south of France while drinking vintage champagne!
    I wonder if he knows Roger ?
    That would be an interesting dinner party!
  • Options
    felixfelix Posts: 15,125
    surby said:

    felix said:

    Fenman said:

    Elliot said:

    Leading question. Who says a compromise is sensible? More likely a fudge between the worst of being in and the worst of being out.
    Exactly. A soft Brexit pleases no one.
    Actually, a soft Brexit will be fine with 80%+ of the population. it just won't please anyone who really cares about the EU.
    A Brexit which none of the people who care about the issue accept cannot ever resolve matters. It would just ensure the issue remained open for years longer.
    And Brexycrite Lord Lawson has just announced that he's applying for French residency
    :lol:

    He'll be telling us next that he's put all his money into carbon capture.
    Surely he has NO business siting in the House of Lords if he is residant in France. The anti -brexit newspapers should be shaming Lord Lawson and JRM as the unacceptable face of Brexit. Both are guilty of saying one thing and doing another. It is one rule for the rich and powerful and another for the poor.
    Residency is not citizenship. The rules are the same for everyone. Unless you'd like to ban British citizens from owning property abroad.
    He lives there !
    So what! As a British citizen he has the same rights as other citizens.
  • Options
    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,563
    RobD said:

    surby said:

    felix said:

    Two postal votes received promptly today in SE Spain - completed and posted for the Tory in Lewisham East. Congratulations to Lewisham council fo their efficiency !

    What a wastage of money on the post !
    Who knows what might happen in the next few weeks... ;)
    Yesterday I was warning Labour about hubris and the message still hasn't sunk in.
  • Options
    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,396

    Pulpstar said:

    Cranes visible on the Sheffield skyline btw. More than I can remember for a while

    In the city centre, the redevelopment of the Retail Quarter is something.
    Tram to Parkgate... must have tram to Parkgate...
  • Options
    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,334
    surby said:

    Sandpit said:

    AndyJS said:

    Headingley Test Match:

    England 1.64
    Pakistan 4.6
    Draw 5.7

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/cricket/market/1.144271625

    Surely distorted by the fact that a lot of people have no interest in betting on any matches involving Pakistan.
    Can't trust English players. Some could be upto some scam, like slow batting ....
    Ridiculous suggestion.

    Which England players are involved in any sort of batting?
  • Options
    felixfelix Posts: 15,125
    surby said:

    felix said:

    Two postal votes received promptly today in SE Spain - completed and posted for the Tory in Lewisham East. Congratulations to Lewisham council fo their efficiency !

    What a wastage of money on the post !
    Lewisham cover the postage but I'd happily pay to exercise my democratic right to vote . I know that's an alien concept for some on the left to grasp.
  • Options
    The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    edited May 2018
    felix said:

    Fenman said:

    Elliot said:

    Leading question. Who says a compromise is sensible? More likely a fudge between the worst of being in and the worst of being out.
    Exactly. A soft Brexit pleases no one.
    Actually, a soft Brexit will be fine with 80%+ of the population. it just won't please anyone who really cares about the EU.
    A Brexit which none of the people who care about the issue accept cannot ever resolve matters. It would just ensure the issue remained open for years longer.
    And Brexycrite Lord Lawson has just announced that he's applying for French residency
    :lol:

    He'll be telling us next that he's put all his money into carbon capture.
    Surely he has NO business siting in the House of Lords if he is residant in France. The anti -brexit newspapers should be shaming Lord Lawson and JRM as the unacceptable face of Brexit. Both are guilty of saying one thing and doing another. It is one rule for the rich and powerful and another for the poor.
    Residency is not citizenship. The rules are the same for everyone. Unless you'd like to ban British citizens from owning property abroad.
    I realise this but it really iratates me that those who might wish to do similar in the future will be denied it necause of Brexit. In terms of the HofL any jiggery pokery like this should mean retirement from the institution. I used to think Lawson had good judgement but my opinion of him has demished to the extent that i wish him a long and happy retirement. I noteced Peter lilley being interviewed from France a couple of months ago as well. The Brexit supporters are nothing but hypercrits.
  • Options
    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,563
    I'm moving to Ilford so I can vote for Mike Gapes.

    https://twitter.com/MikeGapes/status/1001902276380905472

    Have to vote for a fellow Rick Astley fan.
  • Options
    felixfelix Posts: 15,125

    felix said:

    Fenman said:

    Elliot said:

    Leading question. Who says a compromise is sensible? More likely a fudge between the worst of being in and the worst of being out.
    Exactly. A soft Brexit pleases no one.
    Actually, a soft Brexit will be fine with 80%+ of the population. it just won't please anyone who really cares about the EU.
    A Brexit which none of the people who care about the issue accept cannot ever resolve matters. It would just ensure the issue remained open for years longer.
    And Brexycrite Lord Lawson has just announced that he's applying for French residency
    :lol:

    He'll be telling us next that he's put all his money into carbon capture.
    Surely he has NO business siting in the House of Lords if he is residant in France. The anti -brexit newspapers should be shaming Lord Lawson and JRM as the unacceptable face of Brexit. Both are guilty of saying one thing and doing another. It is one rule for the rich and powerful and another for the poor.
    Residency is not citizenship. The rules are the same for everyone. Unless you'd like to ban British citizens from owning property abroad.
    I realise this but it really iratates me that those who might wish to do similar in the future will be denied it necause of Brexit. In terms of the HofL any jiggery pokery like this should mean retirement from the institution. I used to think Lawson had good judgement but my opinion of him has demished to the extent that i wish him a long and happy retirement. butmyI noteced Peter lilley being interviewed from France a couple of months ago as well.
    People moved abroad before Brexit and will do so afterwards . No jiggery-pokery - in fact he has stated he is following French official advice . I'm not a fan and was a Remain voter but you're over reacting. The EU is not the same as Europe .
  • Options
    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,396

    I'm moving to Ilford so I can vote for Mike Gapes.

    https://twitter.com/MikeGapes/status/1001902276380905472

    Have to vote for a fellow Rick Astley fan.

    If you're moving to Ilford, I'm moving to France :lol:

  • Options
    RobDRobD Posts: 58,987
    felix said:

    felix said:

    Fenman said:

    Elliot said:

    Leading question. Who says a compromise is sensible? More likely a fudge between the worst of being in and the worst of being out.
    Exactly. A soft Brexit pleases no one.
    Actually, a soft Brexit will be fine with 80%+ of the population. it just won't please anyone who really cares about the EU.
    A Brexit which none of the people who care about the issue accept cannot ever resolve matters. It would just ensure the issue remained open for years longer.
    And Brexycrite Lord Lawson has just announced that he's applying for French residency
    :lol:

    He'll be telling us next that he's put all his money into carbon capture.
    Surely he has NO business siting in the House of Lords if he is residant in France. The anti -brexit newspapers should be shaming Lord Lawson and JRM as the unacceptable face of Brexit. Both are guilty of saying one thing and doing another. It is one rule for the rich and powerful and another for the poor.
    Residency is not citizenship. The rules are the same for everyone. Unless you'd like to ban British citizens from owning property abroad.
    I realise this but it really iratates me that those who might wish to do similar in the future will be denied it necause of Brexit. In terms of the HofL any jiggery pokery like this should mean retirement from the institution. I used to think Lawson had good judgement but my opinion of him has demished to the extent that i wish him a long and happy retirement. butmyI noteced Peter lilley being interviewed from France a couple of months ago as well.
    People moved abroad before Brexit and will do so afterwards . No jiggery-pokery - in fact he has stated he is following French official advice . I'm not a fan and was a Remain voter but you're over reacting. The EU is not the same as Europe .
    People also moved abroad before the UK joined the EU. The idea that leaving is going to prevent that is fanciful.
  • Options
    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    AndyJS said:

    Headingley Test Match:

    England 1.64
    Pakistan 4.6
    Draw 5.7

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/cricket/market/1.144271625

    Surely distorted by the fact that a lot of people have no interest in betting on any matches involving Pakistan.
    Why did you make of the al-jareeza investigation that aired the other day?
    Not seen it yet. Online anywhere?
    It’s on their YouTube channel.

    https://youtu.be/uYlk4izYVmw
    Just watched that through, thanks.

    Big problems for the sport I’m afraid, it’s totally rotten when players and staff of half a dozen nationalities can be connected back to a couple of dodgy people. Hopefully Al Jazeera have handed their dossier to the ICC, national associations and police in the various countries mentioned.

    There was this dodgy match in the sandpit earlier this year, which was a completely unsactioned match at a small local ground - that was being televised in India, presumably purely for the bookmakers.
    https://www.thenational.ae/sport/cricket/ajman-all-stars-league-subject-of-icc-anti-corruption-probe-1.700280

  • Options
    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941

    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    Hurrah.

    The United States has fired the opening shots in a trade war with three of its traditional allies after imposing tariffs on imported steel and aluminium from the European Union, Canada and Mexico.

    Wilbur Ross, Donald Trump’s commerce secretary, said the 25% duty on steel and the 10% duty on aluminium would be imposed from midnight.

    In a move that is likely to prompt retaliation from Brussels, Ross said talks with the EU had not shown enough progress for European steel and aluminium producers to continue to be exempted from the tariffs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/may/31/us-fires-opening-salvo-in-trade-war-with-eu-canada-and-mexico?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    So there will be a boost for Uk metal exporters from next March ?
    No. We’ll still get hit.
    Until we do our own bespoke deal.
    https://twitter.com/AlexInAir/status/1002197880612978688
    There are all sorts of negotiations going on behind the scenes that are well advanced we know nothing about.
    Indeed. I suspect there’s a lot of hard work planning going on in private, rather than the political posturing that’s happening in public.
  • Options
    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,061
  • Options
    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,687

    I'm moving to Ilford so I can vote for Mike Gapes.

    https://twitter.com/MikeGapes/status/1001902276380905472

    Have to vote for a fellow Rick Astley fan.

    'Parliament must take back control...

    ...from the electorate'

  • Options
    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,563
    edited May 2018

    I'm moving to Ilford so I can vote for Mike Gapes.

    https://twitter.com/MikeGapes/status/1001902276380905472

    Have to vote for a fellow Rick Astley fan.

    'Parliament must take back control...

    ...from the electorate'

    Don't blame Parliament, the voters are thick as mince, a majority of voters like pineapple on pizza.

    The plebs need saving from themselves.
  • Options
    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,687

    I'm moving to Ilford so I can vote for Mike Gapes.

    https://twitter.com/MikeGapes/status/1001902276380905472

    Have to vote for a fellow Rick Astley fan.

    'Parliament must take back control...

    ...from the electorate'

    Don't blame Parliament, the voters are thick as mince, a majority of voters like pineapple on pizza.

    The plebs need saving from themselves.
    On which subject, last week for lunch I had salmon with 'warm pineapple salad'. Basically some mixed roasted vegetables with added pineapple.
  • Options
    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,396

    I'm moving to Ilford so I can vote for Mike Gapes.

    https://twitter.com/MikeGapes/status/1001902276380905472

    Have to vote for a fellow Rick Astley fan.

    'Parliament must take back control...

    ...from the electorate'

    Don't blame Parliament, the voters are thick as mince, a majority of voters like pineapple on pizza.

    The plebs need saving from themselves.
    Spoken like a true Patrician a-hole!

    BTW Pinapple in curry and/or biryani is infinitely worse!
  • Options
    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941
    They’ll just make them in the US as they do now. The German brands outsell the American brands in the luxury sector because they’re generally better cars.

    This, however, is the sort of sh!t that the US gets really upset about: it’s a straight copy of an iPhone for half the price, sold in China by a Chinese company.
    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/05/xiaomi-clones-the-iphone-x-for-420-adds-in-display-fingerprint-reader/
  • Options
    David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    We should be using that tactic in negotiations with the EU. WTO plus.
  • Options
    EssexitEssexit Posts: 1,956

    I'm moving to Ilford so I can vote for Mike Gapes.

    https://twitter.com/MikeGapes/status/1001902276380905472

    Have to vote for a fellow Rick Astley fan.

    'Parliament must take back control...

    ...from the electorate'

    Don't blame Parliament, the voters are thick as mince, a majority of voters like pineapple on pizza.

    The plebs need saving from themselves.
    That you, Gideon?
  • Options
    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,563
    So

    All you min yee um or Al ooh minum?
  • Options
    David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    felix said:

    Two postal votes received promptly today in SE Spain - completed and posted for the Tory in Lewisham East. Congratulations to Lewisham council fo their efficiency !

    Not voting tactically in Lewisham then Felix?
  • Options
    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300

    So

    All you min yee um or Al ooh minum?

    The former. Aluminium was an official trade-off by the chemistry nerds in return for accepting the American spelling of sulfur.
  • Options
    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,787
    So, hows that trade deal negotiation going then, minister?
  • Options
    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,563

    So

    All you min yee um or Al ooh minum?

    The former. Aluminium was an official trade-off by the chemistry nerds in return for accepting the American spelling of sulfur.
    Correct answer, anyone who says the latter I hold in the same contempt as I do Hawaiian pizza lovers.
  • Options
    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,884
    felix said:

    surby said:

    felix said:

    Two postal votes received promptly today in SE Spain - completed and posted for the Tory in Lewisham East. Congratulations to Lewisham council fo their efficiency !

    What a wastage of money on the post !
    Lewisham cover the postage but I'd happily pay to exercise my democratic right to vote . I know that's an alien concept for some on the left to grasp.
    What a waste of Council Tax
  • Options
    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,563
    Foxy said:

    So, hows that trade deal negotiation going then, minister?
    He has the look and demeanour of someone thinking 'Feck, I should have backed Remain'

    #TheSadnessInHisEyes
  • Options
    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,986

    felix said:

    surby said:

    felix said:

    Two postal votes received promptly today in SE Spain - completed and posted for the Tory in Lewisham East. Congratulations to Lewisham council fo their efficiency !

    What a wastage of money on the post !
    Lewisham cover the postage but I'd happily pay to exercise my democratic right to vote . I know that's an alien concept for some on the left to grasp.
    What a waste of Council Tax
    Bet it is less than £2356.49 for a band E in Lewisham
  • Options
    EssexitEssexit Posts: 1,956
    Foxy said:

    So, hows that trade deal negotiation going then, minister?
    If he ruled out counter measures, you'd say he was weak.
  • Options
    felixfelix Posts: 15,125

    felix said:

    Two postal votes received promptly today in SE Spain - completed and posted for the Tory in Lewisham East. Congratulations to Lewisham council fo their efficiency !

    Not voting tactically in Lewisham then Felix?
    Yes.
  • Options
    felixfelix Posts: 15,125

    felix said:

    surby said:

    felix said:

    Two postal votes received promptly today in SE Spain - completed and posted for the Tory in Lewisham East. Congratulations to Lewisham council fo their efficiency !

    What a wastage of money on the post !
    Lewisham cover the postage but I'd happily pay to exercise my democratic right to vote . I know that's an alien concept for some on the left to grasp.
    What a waste of Council Tax
    :))))) roflmfao
  • Options
    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,687

    So

    All you min yee um or Al ooh minum?

    The former. Aluminium was an official trade-off by the chemistry nerds in return for accepting the American spelling of sulfur.
    Sulfur?!? I'd rather stay in the EU than adopt that spelling!
  • Options
    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,199
    Pulpstar said:

    felix said:

    surby said:

    felix said:

    Two postal votes received promptly today in SE Spain - completed and posted for the Tory in Lewisham East. Congratulations to Lewisham council fo their efficiency !

    What a wastage of money on the post !
    Lewisham cover the postage but I'd happily pay to exercise my democratic right to vote . I know that's an alien concept for some on the left to grasp.
    What a waste of Council Tax
    Bet it is less than £2356.49 for a band E in Lewisham
    https://tinyurl.com/ybtudjk9

    £1,757.19
  • Options
    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,249
    edited May 2018
    It's almost like Rivera has a personal connection with PP.

    https://twitter.com/RobertHMerriman/status/1002188107347709952

  • Options
    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,974

    It's almost like Rivera has connections to PP.

    https://twitter.com/RobertHMerriman/status/1002188107347709952

    The most corrupt politician in Europe? Luftur Rahman will probably be annoyed at losing his title.
  • Options
    YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382
    edited May 2018
    felix said:

    surby said:

    felix said:

    Two postal votes received promptly today in SE Spain - completed and posted for the Tory in Lewisham East. Congratulations to Lewisham council fo their efficiency !

    What a wastage of money on the post !
    Lewisham cover the postage but I'd happily pay to exercise my democratic right to vote . I know that's an alien concept for some on the left to grasp.
    Maybe you should have to send ID in as well in the future.
  • Options
    FenmanFenman Posts: 1,047
    felix said:

    Fenman said:

    Elliot said:

    Leading question. Who says a compromise is sensible? More likely a fudge between the worst of being in and the worst of being out.
    Exactly. A soft Brexit pleases no one.
    Actually, a soft Brexit will be fine with 80%+ of the population. it just won't please anyone who really cares about the EU.
    A Brexit which none of the people who care about the issue accept cannot ever resolve matters. It would just ensure the issue remained open for years longer.
    And Brexycrite Lord Lawson has just announced that he's applying for French residency
    :lol:

    He'll be telling us next that he's put all his money into carbon capture.
    Surely he has NO business siting in the House of Lords if he is residant in France. The anti -brexit newspapers should be shaming Lord Lawson and JRM as the unacceptable face of Brexit. Both are guilty of saying one thing and doing another. It is one rule for the rich and powerful and another for the poor.
    Residency is not citizenship. The rules are the same for everyone. Unless you'd like to ban British citizens from owning property abroad.
    No, just hypocrites
  • Options
    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited May 2018
    Re Italy

    Cottarelli has given back the task to form a government

    Conte to be received by Mattarella at 9 PM

    Rumoured line up

    Deputy PM and Work and Economic Development: Luigi Di Maio
    Deputy PM and Home Office: Matteo Salvini
    Economy: Giovanni Tria (Lega)
    Public Administration: Giulia Bongiorno (Lega).
    Regional Affairs: Erika Stefani (Lega).
    European Affairs: Savona
    South: Barbara Lezzi (M5S).
    Disables: Lorenzo Fontana (Lega).
    Foreign Affairs: Moavero Milanesi.
    Justice: Alfonso Bonafede (M5S).
    Defence:: Elisabetta Trenta (M5S).
    Agricolture: Gian Marco Centinaio (Lega).
    Infrastrucure: Mauro Coltorti (M5S).
    Education: Marco Bussetti (Lega).
    Culture: Alberto Bonisoli (M5S).
    Health: Giulia Grillo (M5S).
    Relationship with Parliament: Riccardo Fraccaro (M5S)

  • Options
    FenmanFenman Posts: 1,047

    Foxy said:

    So, hows that trade deal negotiation going then, minister?
    He has the look and demeanour of someone thinking 'Feck, I should have backed Remain'

    #TheSadnessInHisEyes
    Every day in every way the brexit nonsense is being exposed
  • Options
    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited May 2018
    ...
  • Options
    stodgestodge Posts: 12,883
    felix said:

    felix said:

    Two postal votes received promptly today in SE Spain - completed and posted for the Tory in Lewisham East. Congratulations to Lewisham council fo their efficiency !

    Not voting tactically in Lewisham then Felix?
    Yes.
    Of course, for a Conservative like you the Lib Dems are the enemy. Labour are the Opposition and serve a useful purpose in that role.

    I remember what happened in a constituency not far from Lewisham East when the Conservative voters realised there was another way to stop Labour winning a by-election.
  • Options
    RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223
    edited May 2018
    Now this was a waste of council tax:

    https://853london.com/2018/05/31/greenwich-council-leader-to-scrap-painted-hall-mayor-making-junkets/

    What else should one expect from a Labour stronghold?
  • Options
    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,126

    Foxy said:

    So, hows that trade deal negotiation going then, minister?
    He has the look and demeanour of someone thinking 'Feck, I should have backed Remain'

    #TheSadnessInHisEyes
    If we had voted Remain we would be subject to these tariffs on the EU indefinitely, post Brexit it is possible Trump could exempt the UK as he has done for Australia and South Korea for example
  • Options
    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,563
    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    So, hows that trade deal negotiation going then, minister?
    He has the look and demeanour of someone thinking 'Feck, I should have backed Remain'

    #TheSadnessInHisEyes
    If we had voted Remain we would be subject to these tariffs on the EU indefinitely, post Brexit it is possible Trump could exempt the UK as he has done for Australia and South Korea for example
    https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1002241547537174528
  • Options
    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,986

    Re Italy

    Cottarelli has given back the task to form a government

    Conte to be received by Mattarella at 9 PM

    Rumoured line up

    Deputy PM and Work and Economic Development: Luigi Di Maio
    Deputy PM and Home Office: Matteo Salvini
    Economy: Giovanni Tria (Lega)
    Public Administration: Giulia Bongiorno (Lega).
    Regional Affairs: Erika Stefani (Lega).
    European Affairs: Savona
    South: Barbara Lezzi (M5S).
    Disables: Lorenzo Fontana (Lega).
    Foreign Affairs: Moavero Milanesi.
    Justice: Alfonso Bonafede (M5S).
    Defence:: Elisabetta Trenta (M5S).
    Agricolture: Gian Marco Centinaio (Lega).
    Infrastrucure: Mauro Coltorti (M5S).
    Education: Marco Bussetti (Lega).
    Culture: Alberto Bonisoli (M5S).
    Health: Giulia Grillo (M5S).
    Relationship with Parliament: Riccardo Fraccaro (M5S)

    Will this one be given the nod do you think ?
  • Options
    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,126

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    So, hows that trade deal negotiation going then, minister?
    He has the look and demeanour of someone thinking 'Feck, I should have backed Remain'

    #TheSadnessInHisEyes
    If we had voted Remain we would be subject to these tariffs on the EU indefinitely, post Brexit it is possible Trump could exempt the UK as he has done for Australia and South Korea for example
    https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1002241547537174528
    That does not change the point, Trump has hinted he may ultimately give the UK an exemption as we pay our NATO bills unlike say Germany

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/929374/Donald-Trump-steel-aluminium-tariffs-Theresa-May-UK-exemption-Mexico-Canada
  • Options
    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,126

    It's almost like Rivera has a personal connection with PP.

    https://twitter.com/RobertHMerriman/status/1002188107347709952

    Rivera is not 'ultranationalist' but a liberal who just wants to keep Spain united
  • Options
    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,787

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    So, hows that trade deal negotiation going then, minister?
    He has the look and demeanour of someone thinking 'Feck, I should have backed Remain'

    #TheSadnessInHisEyes
    If we had voted Remain we would be subject to these tariffs on the EU indefinitely, post Brexit it is possible Trump could exempt the UK as he has done for Australia and South Korea for example
    https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1002241547537174528

    Foxy said:

    So, hows that trade deal negotiation going then, minister?
    He has the look and demeanour of someone thinking 'Feck, I should have backed Remain'

    #TheSadnessInHisEyes
    My colleague and near namesake (Dr Fox) is the pineapple on the Brexit pizza.
  • Options
    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,787
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    So, hows that trade deal negotiation going then, minister?
    He has the look and demeanour of someone thinking 'Feck, I should have backed Remain'

    #TheSadnessInHisEyes
    If we had voted Remain we would be subject to these tariffs on the EU indefinitely, post Brexit it is possible Trump could exempt the UK as he has done for Australia and South Korea for example
    https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1002241547537174528
    That does not change the point, Trump has hinted he may ultimately give the UK an exemption as we pay our NATO bills unlike say Germany

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/929374/Donald-Trump-steel-aluminium-tariffs-Theresa-May-UK-exemption-Mexico-Canada
    Will that be in 2023 after Mays Custom Union ends? :)
  • Options
    felixfelix Posts: 15,125
    stodge said:

    felix said:

    felix said:

    Two postal votes received promptly today in SE Spain - completed and posted for the Tory in Lewisham East. Congratulations to Lewisham council fo their efficiency !

    Not voting tactically in Lewisham then Felix?
    Yes.
    Of course, for a Conservative like you the Lib Dems are the enemy. Labour are the Opposition and serve a useful purpose in that role.

    I remember what happened in a constituency not far from Lewisham East when the Conservative voters realised there was another way to stop Labour winning a by-election.
    No. Simply prefer my party loyalty this time. Lewisham once had 2 Tory MPs - the past is another country.
  • Options
    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,126
    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    So, hows that trade deal negotiation going then, minister?
    He has the look and demeanour of someone thinking 'Feck, I should have backed Remain'

    #TheSadnessInHisEyes
    If we had voted Remain we would be subject to these tariffs on the EU indefinitely, post Brexit it is possible Trump could exempt the UK as he has done for Australia and South Korea for example
    https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1002241547537174528
    That does not change the point, Trump has hinted he may ultimately give the UK an exemption as we pay our NATO bills unlike say Germany

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/929374/Donald-Trump-steel-aluminium-tariffs-Theresa-May-UK-exemption-Mexico-Canada
    Will that be in 2023 after Mays Custom Union ends? :)
    Which could still be in the 2nd term of a Trump Presidency of course though we will be out of the full Customs Union by the end of 2020 on May's timetable
  • Options
    felixfelix Posts: 15,125
    Yorkcity said:

    felix said:

    surby said:

    felix said:

    Two postal votes received promptly today in SE Spain - completed and posted for the Tory in Lewisham East. Congratulations to Lewisham council fo their efficiency !

    What a wastage of money on the post !
    Lewisham cover the postage but I'd happily pay to exercise my democratic right to vote . I know that's an alien concept for some on the left to grasp.
    Maybe you should have to send ID in as well in the future.
    Already done when I registered. :)
  • Options
    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,126
    edited May 2018
    stodge said:

    felix said:

    felix said:

    Two postal votes received promptly today in SE Spain - completed and posted for the Tory in Lewisham East. Congratulations to Lewisham council fo their efficiency !

    Not voting tactically in Lewisham then Felix?
    Yes.
    Of course, for a Conservative like you the Lib Dems are the enemy. Labour are the Opposition and serve a useful purpose in that role.

    I remember what happened in a constituency not far from Lewisham East when the Conservative voters realised there was another way to stop Labour winning a by-election.
    Unless the LDs commit to vote down a Corbyn government a LD vote is a vote to get Corbyn by the backdoor as well as a vote for a party more hostile to Brexit than Corbyn Labour are
  • Options
    felixfelix Posts: 15,125
    Fenman said:

    felix said:

    Fenman said:

    Elliot said:

    Leading question. Who says a compromise is sensible? More likely a fudge between the worst of being in and the worst of being out.
    Exactly. A soft Brexit pleases no one.
    Actually, a soft Brexit will be fine with 80%+ of the population. it just won't please anyone who really cares about the EU.
    A Brexit which none of the people who care about the issue accept cannot ever resolve matters. It would just ensure the issue remained open for years longer.
    And Brexycrite Lord Lawson has just announced that he's applying for French residency
    :lol:

    He'll be telling us next that he's put all his money into carbon capture.
    Surely he has NO business siting in the House of Lords if he is residant in France. The anti -brexit newspapers should be shaming Lord Lawson and JRM as the unacceptable face of Brexit. Both are guilty of saying one thing and doing another. It is one rule for the rich and powerful and another for the poor.
    Residency is not citizenship. The rules are the same for everyone. Unless you'd like to ban British citizens from owning property abroad.
    No, just hypocrites
    Bitterness just adds years to the complexion.
  • Options
    Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 4,844
    Pulpstar said:

    Re Italy

    Cottarelli has given back the task to form a government

    Conte to be received by Mattarella at 9 PM

    Rumoured line up

    Deputy PM and Work and Economic Development: Luigi Di Maio
    Deputy PM and Home Office: Matteo Salvini
    Economy: Giovanni Tria (Lega)
    Public Administration: Giulia Bongiorno (Lega).
    Regional Affairs: Erika Stefani (Lega).
    European Affairs: Savona
    South: Barbara Lezzi (M5S).
    Disables: Lorenzo Fontana (Lega).
    Foreign Affairs: Moavero Milanesi.
    Justice: Alfonso Bonafede (M5S).
    Defence:: Elisabetta Trenta (M5S).
    Agricolture: Gian Marco Centinaio (Lega).
    Infrastrucure: Mauro Coltorti (M5S).
    Education: Marco Bussetti (Lega).
    Culture: Alberto Bonisoli (M5S).
    Health: Giulia Grillo (M5S).
    Relationship with Parliament: Riccardo Fraccaro (M5S)

    Will this one be given the nod do you think ?
    Savona, Europe - top trolling.

    But, I guess he won't have the same power he would have done at Economy, so it might fly.
  • Options
    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,061
    "Corbyn wades into Chuka Umunna 'unpaid intern' row"

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44323445

    Yeah Jezza. Instead of unpaid interns, Umunna should just have employed a son of a friend. That's perfectly fair and equitable, as you well know. :)
  • Options
    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,249
    HYUFD said:

    It's almost like Rivera has a personal connection with PP.

    https://twitter.com/RobertHMerriman/status/1002188107347709952

    Rivera is not 'ultranationalist' but a liberal who just wants to keep Spain united
    The 'nation' of Spain.

    Rather odd that the 'liberal' leader of an opposition party should think the downfall of the Francoist leader of a corrupt, nationalist party is a tragedy.
  • Options
    stodgestodge Posts: 12,883
    HYUFD said:


    Unless the LDs commit to vote down a Corbyn government a LD vote is a vote to get Corbyn by the backdoor as well as a vote for a party more hostile to Brexit than Corbyn Labour are

    That's just absurd and slightly desperate rubbish. No LD has stated the Party will support a minority Labour Government, indeed no LD has said the party won't support a minority Conservative Government.

    This is the typical Conservative tactic of claiming that everyone is against them and no one will help the poor old Tories - despite the fact the Conservative Party has governed with support from other parties from both 2010-15 and from 2017.

    As a Conservative member you want to maximise the Conservative vote - I get that, I really do but to assume every non-Conservative vote is a pro-Labour vote is just pathetic.
  • Options
    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,974
    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:


    Unless the LDs commit to vote down a Corbyn government a LD vote is a vote to get Corbyn by the backdoor as well as a vote for a party more hostile to Brexit than Corbyn Labour are


    As a Conservative member you want to maximise the Conservative vote - I get that, I really do but to assume every non-Conservative vote is a pro-Labour vote is just pathetic.
    In fairness, a lot of Labour members seem to think the exact same way when they talk of anti-Tory majorities as though it would therefore be dead simple to get the LDs or whoever to do what they wanted.
  • Options
    stodgestodge Posts: 12,883
    edited May 2018
    kle4 said:


    In fairness, a lot of Labour members seem to think the exact same way when they talk of anti-Tory majorities as though it would therefore be dead simple to get the LDs or whoever to do what they wanted.

    Yes and all the talk about a "progressive majority" is misplaced. HYUFD is a Conservative activist - it's perfectly reasonable for him to want to maximise the Conservative vote but it's the same old tactic which comes down to "if you're not with us, you're against us".

    I find that curious coming from a party which after two of the last three elections has had to go and talk to other parties to get into or remain in Government. Clearly, the Conservatives will talk to other parties and are quite happy to do so when it is in their best interests but that's pragmatic politics.

    No one in the LDs I talk to is thinking about supporting Corbyn or May - indeed, most of us regard them with equal distaste but that's our prerogative from 12 MPs. IF it seems likely a 2010 or Feb 74 situation is likely yo exist after the next GE, the Party will have to ask itself some searching questions.

    I haven't seen the 2022 Labour manifesto or its Conservative equivalent so I don't know what either party is proposing and which of the two is nearer the LD position at that time.

  • Options
    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,687

    HYUFD said:

    It's almost like Rivera has a personal connection with PP.

    https://twitter.com/RobertHMerriman/status/1002188107347709952

    Rivera is not 'ultranationalist' but a liberal who just wants to keep Spain united
    The 'nation' of Spain.

    Rather odd that the 'liberal' leader of an opposition party should think the downfall of the Francoist leader of a corrupt, nationalist party is a tragedy.
    The Falange and their fellow travellers. The Bishop will probably hold a special mass too.
  • Options
    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,126

    HYUFD said:

    It's almost like Rivera has a personal connection with PP.

    https://twitter.com/RobertHMerriman/status/1002188107347709952

    Rivera is not 'ultranationalist' but a liberal who just wants to keep Spain united
    The 'nation' of Spain.

    Rather odd that the 'liberal' leader of an opposition party should think the downfall of the Francoist leader of a corrupt, nationalist party is a tragedy.
    That party won most votes and seats at the last general election and until the next one has the biggest mandate to lead a government.

    Also your supporting calling Rivera 'ultranationalist' while being a supporter of the Scottish National Party is beyond satire!
  • Options
    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,787

    HYUFD said:

    It's almost like Rivera has a personal connection with PP.

    https://twitter.com/RobertHMerriman/status/1002188107347709952

    Rivera is not 'ultranationalist' but a liberal who just wants to keep Spain united
    The 'nation' of Spain.

    Rather odd that the 'liberal' leader of an opposition party should think the downfall of the Francoist leader of a corrupt, nationalist party is a tragedy.
    The Falange and their fellow travellers. The Bishop will probably hold a special mass too.
    After Real Madrid? form an orderly queue Franco's boys...
  • Options
    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,126
    edited May 2018
    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:


    Unless the LDs commit to vote down a Corbyn government a LD vote is a vote to get Corbyn by the backdoor as well as a vote for a party more hostile to Brexit than Corbyn Labour are

    That's just absurd and slightly desperate rubbish. No LD has stated the Party will support a minority Labour Government, indeed no LD has said the party won't support a minority Conservative Government.

    This is the typical Conservative tactic of claiming that everyone is against them and no one will help the poor old Tories - despite the fact the Conservative Party has governed with support from other parties from both 2010-15 and from 2017.

    As a Conservative member you want to maximise the Conservative vote - I get that, I really do but to assume every non-Conservative vote is a pro-Labour vote is just pathetic.
    I am not only a Tory activist I intend to do at least one Saturday campaigning in Lewisham East.

    The Conservative Party should be aiming for a majority Conservative government not lending votes to the LDs in a by election which would end up most probably with the main headline being 'LDs beat Tories for 2nd place' not 'LDs gain Lewisham East from Labour'
  • Options
    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,787
    stodge said:

    kle4 said:


    In fairness, a lot of Labour members seem to think the exact same way when they talk of anti-Tory majorities as though it would therefore be dead simple to get the LDs or whoever to do what they wanted.

    Yes and all the talk about a "progressive majority" is misplaced. HYUFD is a Conservative activist - it's perfectly reasonable for him to want to maximise the Conservative vote but it's the same old tactic which comes down to "if you're not with us, you're against us".

    I find that curious coming from a party which after two of the last three elections has had to go and talk to other parties to get into or remain in Government. Clearly, the Conservatives will talk to other parties and are quite happy to do so when it is in their best interests but that's pragmatic politics.

    No one in the LDs I talk to is thinking about supporting Corbyn or May - indeed, most of us regard them with equal distaste but that's our prerogative from 12 MPs. IF it seems likely a 2010 or Feb 74 situation is likely yo exist after the next GE, the Party will have to ask itself some searching questions.

    I haven't seen the 2022 Labour manifesto or its Conservative equivalent so I don't know what either party is proposing and which of the two is nearer the LD position at that time.

    I suspect any formal deal would go out to amembership consultation, but personally I would stick to ad hoc support for individual bills.
  • Options
    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,126
    SeanT said:

    HYUFD said:

    Fenman said:

    Elliot said:

    Leading question. Who says a compromise is sensible? More likely a fudge between the worst of being in and the worst of being out.
    Exactly. A soft Brexit pleases no one.
    Actually, a soft Brexit will be fine with 80%+ of the population. it just won't please anyone who really cares about the EU.
    A Brexit which none of the people who care about the issue accept cannot ever resolve matters. It would just ensure the issue remained open for years longer.
    And Brexycrite Lord Lawson has just announced that he's applying for French residency
    Nothing quite like being a Brexiteer commenting on Brexit by the pool from your chateau in the south of France while drinking vintage champagne!
    I do it at least once a month, myself.
    Though have not yet applied for residency
  • Options
    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,249
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    It's almost like Rivera has a personal connection with PP.

    https://twitter.com/RobertHMerriman/status/1002188107347709952

    Rivera is not 'ultranationalist' but a liberal who just wants to keep Spain united
    The 'nation' of Spain.

    Rather odd that the 'liberal' leader of an opposition party should think the downfall of the Francoist leader of a corrupt, nationalist party is a tragedy.
    That party won most votes and seats at the last general election and until the next one has the biggest mandate to lead a government.

    Also your supporting calling Rivera 'ultranationalist' while being a supporter of the Scottish National Party is beyond satire!
    I sense your accquantance with satire is a distant one at the best of times.
  • Options
    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,986
  • Options
    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,986
    Conte e arrivato
  • Options
    stodgestodge Posts: 12,883
    HYUFD said:


    I am not only a Tory activist I intend to do at least one Saturday campaigning in Lewisham East.

    The Conservative Party should be aiming for a majority Conservative government not lending votes to the LDs in a by election which would end up most probably with the main headline being 'LDs beat Tories for 2nd place' not 'LDs gain Lewisham East from Labour'

    I've absolutely no issue with that just as you won't have a problem with me working for the LDs in Lewisham East. I don't think either of us will be on the winning side but that isn't the point. I don't want to give Labour a free ride any more than you do and that's not how democracy is or should be.

    The point you made earlier was to allege the LDs would prop up a minority Corbyn Government and I understand why the Conservatives would want that as a message but it's not true at this time and hopefully not at any time.

    IF we finish up with a minority Corbyn Government, it won't matter if the LDs vote against if the Conservatives do what they did when this happened before and abstained on Wilson's Queen's Speech in March 1974. How do I know the Conservatives won't run away again if a minority Corbyn Government puts forward its legislative plan ?

    Where is the Conservative commitment to vote down the Queen's Speech of a minority Labour Government ?

  • Options
    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,291
    According to (fake news) CNN, Trump considering pardoning Martha Stewart....
  • Options
    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,986
    How long do these Quiranale meetings normally take :O ?

    I was in bed when last sunday's debacle unfolded.
  • Options
    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,126
    edited May 2018
    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:


    I am not only a Tory activist I intend to do at least one Saturday campaigning in Lewisham East.

    The Conservative Party should be aiming for a majority Conservative government not lending votes to the LDs in a by election which would end up most probably with the main headline being 'LDs beat Tories for 2nd place' not 'LDs gain Lewisham East from Labour'

    I've absolutely no issue with that just as you won't have a problem with me working for the LDs in Lewisham East. I don't think either of us will be on the winning side but that isn't the point. I don't want to give Labour a free ride any more than you do and that's not how democracy is or should be.

    The point you made earlier was to allege the LDs would prop up a minority Corbyn Government and I understand why the Conservatives would want that as a message but it's not true at this time and hopefully not at any time.

    IF we finish up with a minority Corbyn Government, it won't matter if the LDs vote against if the Conservatives do what they did when this happened before and abstained on Wilson's Queen's Speech in March 1974. How do I know the Conservatives won't run away again if a minority Corbyn Government puts forward its legislative plan ?

    Where is the Conservative commitment to vote down the Queen's Speech of a minority Labour Government ?

    My point was unless the LDs give a clear commitment to vote down a Corbyn government and vote for May in a vote of confidence if they hold the balance of power no Tory supporter should be 'lending' their vote to the LDs. You could just about make a case to do so in 2015 when the LDs were in coalition with the Tories but not now especially given Cable's past sympathies with Labour and his hostility to Brexit.


    Heath clearly aimed for a majority in Feb 1974, as he achieved in 1970, he only abstained on the Queen's Speech after losing that majority and after coalition talks with the Liberals failed after Thorpe's demand for PR. If you don't aim for a majority and to maximise your voteshare before a general election, especially with our FPTP system, there is clearly little point being in the game at all. Not to mention Lewisham East was Tory in 1983 and 1987 but has never been Liberal
  • Options
    PurplePurple Posts: 150
    edited May 2018
    The number plate says a lot about John Bercow. So does the way he often officiates with one foot on the other knee. Is that an official car?

    He said he'd serve no more than 9 years. That was on 22 June 2009. When's the biggest vote on a current Brexit bill likely to be held in the Commons?

    The latest issue of Private Eye has some corking info on how certain of his critics in that chamber have managed to see the errors of their ways.
  • Options
    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,127

    According to (fake news) CNN, Trump considering pardoning Martha Stewart....

    It wouldn’t surprise me if Trump tweeted that Tommy Robinson should be pardoned.
  • Options
    brendan16brendan16 Posts: 2,315
    Pulpstar said:

    Re Italy

    Cottarelli has given back the task to form a government

    Conte to be received by Mattarella at 9 PM

    Rumoured line up

    Deputy PM and Work and Economic Development: Luigi Di Maio
    Deputy PM and Home Office: Matteo Salvini
    Economy: Giovanni Tria (Lega)
    Public Administration: Giulia Bongiorno (Lega).
    Regional Affairs: Erika Stefani (Lega).
    European Affairs: Savona
    South: Barbara Lezzi (M5S).
    Disables: Lorenzo Fontana (Lega).
    Foreign Affairs: Moavero Milanesi.
    Justice: Alfonso Bonafede (M5S).
    Defence:: Elisabetta Trenta (M5S).
    Agricolture: Gian Marco Centinaio (Lega).
    Infrastrucure: Mauro Coltorti (M5S).
    Education: Marco Bussetti (Lega).
    Culture: Alberto Bonisoli (M5S).
    Health: Giulia Grillo (M5S).
    Relationship with Parliament: Riccardo Fraccaro (M5S)

    Will this one be given the nod do you think ?
    I see Savona gets European affairs! So who can say.

    PS Is Erika Stefani related to Gwen?
This discussion has been closed.