The United States has fired the opening shots in a trade war with three of its traditional allies after imposing tariffs on imported steel and aluminium from the European Union, Canada and Mexico.
Wilbur Ross, Donald Trump’s commerce secretary, said the 25% duty on steel and the 10% duty on aluminium would be imposed from midnight.
In a move that is likely to prompt retaliation from Brussels, Ross said talks with the EU had not shown enough progress for European steel and aluminium producers to continue to be exempted from the tariffs.
Leading question. Who says a compromise is sensible? More likely a fudge between the worst of being in and the worst of being out.
Exactly. A soft Brexit pleases no one.
Actually, a soft Brexit will be fine with 80%+ of the population. it just won't please anyone who really cares about the EU.
A Brexit which none of the people who care about the issue accept cannot ever resolve matters. It would just ensure the issue remained open for years longer.
And Brexycrite Lord Lawson has just announced that he's applying for French residency
He'll be telling us next that he's put all his money into carbon capture.
Surely he has NO business siting in the House of Lords if he is residant in France. The anti -brexit newspapers should be shaming Lord Lawson and JRM as the unacceptable face of Brexit. Both are guilty of saying one thing and doing another. It is one rule for the rich and powerful and another for the poor.
Leading question. Who says a compromise is sensible? More likely a fudge between the worst of being in and the worst of being out.
Exactly. A soft Brexit pleases no one.
Actually, a soft Brexit will be fine with 80%+ of the population. it just won't please anyone who really cares about the EU.
A Brexit which none of the people who care about the issue accept cannot ever resolve matters. It would just ensure the issue remained open for years longer.
And Brexycrite Lord Lawson has just announced that he's applying for French residency
He'll be telling us next that he's put all his money into carbon capture.
Surely he has NO business siting in the House of Lords if he is residant in France. The anti -brexit newspapers should be shaming Lord Lawson and JRM as the unacceptable face of Brexit. Both are guilty of saying one thing and doing another. It is one rule for the rich and powerful and another for the poor.
Not sure the rules are any different, unless other Britons are being denied residency?
The United States has fired the opening shots in a trade war with three of its traditional allies after imposing tariffs on imported steel and aluminium from the European Union, Canada and Mexico.
Wilbur Ross, Donald Trump’s commerce secretary, said the 25% duty on steel and the 10% duty on aluminium would be imposed from midnight.
In a move that is likely to prompt retaliation from Brussels, Ross said talks with the EU had not shown enough progress for European steel and aluminium producers to continue to be exempted from the tariffs.
Leading question. Who says a compromise is sensible? More likely a fudge between the worst of being in and the worst of being out.
Exactly. A soft Brexit pleases no one.
Actually, a soft Brexit will be fine with 80%+ of the population. it just won't please anyone who really cares about the EU.
A Brexit which none of the people who care about the issue accept cannot ever resolve matters. It would just ensure the issue remained open for years longer.
And Brexycrite Lord Lawson has just announced that he's applying for French residency
Nothing quite like being a Brexiteer commenting on Brexit by the pool from your chateau in the south of France while drinking vintage champagne!
Leading question. Who says a compromise is sensible? More likely a fudge between the worst of being in and the worst of being out.
Exactly. A soft Brexit pleases no one.
Actually, a soft Brexit will be fine with 80%+ of the population. it just won't please anyone who really cares about the EU.
A Brexit which none of the people who care about the issue accept cannot ever resolve matters. It would just ensure the issue remained open for years longer.
And Brexycrite Lord Lawson has just announced that he's applying for French residency
He'll be telling us next that he's put all his money into carbon capture.
Surely he has NO business siting in the House of Lords if he is residant in France. The anti -brexit newspapers should be shaming Lord Lawson and JRM as the unacceptable face of Brexit. Both are guilty of saying one thing and doing another. It is one rule for the rich and powerful and another for the poor.
Residency is not citizenship. The rules are the same for everyone. Unless you'd like to ban British citizens from owning property abroad.
Leading question. Who says a compromise is sensible? More likely a fudge between the worst of being in and the worst of being out.
Exactly. A soft Brexit pleases no one.
Actually, a soft Brexit will be fine with 80%+ of the population. it just won't please anyone who really cares about the EU.
A Brexit which none of the people who care about the issue accept cannot ever resolve matters. It would just ensure the issue remained open for years longer.
And Brexycrite Lord Lawson has just announced that he's applying for French residency
Nothing quite like being a Brexiteer commenting on Brexit by the pool from your chateau in the south of France while drinking vintage champagne!
Leading question. Who says a compromise is sensible? More likely a fudge between the worst of being in and the worst of being out.
Exactly. A soft Brexit pleases no one.
Actually, a soft Brexit will be fine with 80%+ of the population. it just won't please anyone who really cares about the EU.
A Brexit which none of the people who care about the issue accept cannot ever resolve matters. It would just ensure the issue remained open for years longer.
And Brexycrite Lord Lawson has just announced that he's applying for French residency
He'll be telling us next that he's put all his money into carbon capture.
Surely he has NO business siting in the House of Lords if he is residant in France. The anti -brexit newspapers should be shaming Lord Lawson and JRM as the unacceptable face of Brexit. Both are guilty of saying one thing and doing another. It is one rule for the rich and powerful and another for the poor.
Residency is not citizenship. The rules are the same for everyone. Unless you'd like to ban British citizens from owning property abroad.
Leading question. Who says a compromise is sensible? More likely a fudge between the worst of being in and the worst of being out.
Exactly. A soft Brexit pleases no one.
Actually, a soft Brexit will be fine with 80%+ of the population. it just won't please anyone who really cares about the EU.
A Brexit which none of the people who care about the issue accept cannot ever resolve matters. It would just ensure the issue remained open for years longer.
And Brexycrite Lord Lawson has just announced that he's applying for French residency
He'll be telling us next that he's put all his money into carbon capture.
Surely he has NO business siting in the House of Lords if he is residant in France. The anti -brexit newspapers should be shaming Lord Lawson and JRM as the unacceptable face of Brexit. Both are guilty of saying one thing and doing another. It is one rule for the rich and powerful and another for the poor.
Residency is not citizenship. The rules are the same for everyone. Unless you'd like to ban British citizens from owning property abroad.
Leading question. Who says a compromise is sensible? More likely a fudge between the worst of being in and the worst of being out.
Exactly. A soft Brexit pleases no one.
Actually, a soft Brexit will be fine with 80%+ of the population. it just won't please anyone who really cares about the EU.
A Brexit which none of the people who care about the issue accept cannot ever resolve matters. It would just ensure the issue remained open for years longer.
And Brexycrite Lord Lawson has just announced that he's applying for French residency
He'll be telling us next that he's put all his money into carbon capture.
Surely he has NO business siting in the House of Lords if he is residant in France. The anti -brexit newspapers should be shaming Lord Lawson and JRM as the unacceptable face of Brexit. Both are guilty of saying one thing and doing another. It is one rule for the rich and powerful and another for the poor.
Residency is not citizenship. The rules are the same for everyone. Unless you'd like to ban British citizens from owning property abroad.
He lives there !
And for quite some time, as I understand it. Given his interests, he probably spends enough time in the UK to qualify as a resident for tax purposes in both countries.
Two postal votes received promptly today in SE Spain - completed and posted for the Tory in Lewisham East. Congratulations to Lewisham council fo their efficiency !
Two postal votes received promptly today in SE Spain - completed and posted for the Tory in Lewisham East. Congratulations to Lewisham council fo their efficiency !
What a wastage of money on the post !
Who knows what might happen in the next few weeks...
Leading question. Who says a compromise is sensible? More likely a fudge between the worst of being in and the worst of being out.
Exactly. A soft Brexit pleases no one.
Actually, a soft Brexit will be fine with 80%+ of the population. it just won't please anyone who really cares about the EU.
A Brexit which none of the people who care about the issue accept cannot ever resolve matters. It would just ensure the issue remained open for years longer.
And Brexycrite Lord Lawson has just announced that he's applying for French residency
Nothing quite like being a Brexiteer commenting on Brexit by the pool from your chateau in the south of France while drinking vintage champagne!
Leading question. Who says a compromise is sensible? More likely a fudge between the worst of being in and the worst of being out.
Exactly. A soft Brexit pleases no one.
Actually, a soft Brexit will be fine with 80%+ of the population. it just won't please anyone who really cares about the EU.
A Brexit which none of the people who care about the issue accept cannot ever resolve matters. It would just ensure the issue remained open for years longer.
And Brexycrite Lord Lawson has just announced that he's applying for French residency
He'll be telling us next that he's put all his money into carbon capture.
Surely he has NO business siting in the House of Lords if he is residant in France. The anti -brexit newspapers should be shaming Lord Lawson and JRM as the unacceptable face of Brexit. Both are guilty of saying one thing and doing another. It is one rule for the rich and powerful and another for the poor.
Residency is not citizenship. The rules are the same for everyone. Unless you'd like to ban British citizens from owning property abroad.
He lives there !
So what! As a British citizen he has the same rights as other citizens.
Two postal votes received promptly today in SE Spain - completed and posted for the Tory in Lewisham East. Congratulations to Lewisham council fo their efficiency !
What a wastage of money on the post !
Who knows what might happen in the next few weeks...
Yesterday I was warning Labour about hubris and the message still hasn't sunk in.
Two postal votes received promptly today in SE Spain - completed and posted for the Tory in Lewisham East. Congratulations to Lewisham council fo their efficiency !
What a wastage of money on the post !
Lewisham cover the postage but I'd happily pay to exercise my democratic right to vote . I know that's an alien concept for some on the left to grasp.
Leading question. Who says a compromise is sensible? More likely a fudge between the worst of being in and the worst of being out.
Exactly. A soft Brexit pleases no one.
Actually, a soft Brexit will be fine with 80%+ of the population. it just won't please anyone who really cares about the EU.
A Brexit which none of the people who care about the issue accept cannot ever resolve matters. It would just ensure the issue remained open for years longer.
And Brexycrite Lord Lawson has just announced that he's applying for French residency
He'll be telling us next that he's put all his money into carbon capture.
Surely he has NO business siting in the House of Lords if he is residant in France. The anti -brexit newspapers should be shaming Lord Lawson and JRM as the unacceptable face of Brexit. Both are guilty of saying one thing and doing another. It is one rule for the rich and powerful and another for the poor.
Residency is not citizenship. The rules are the same for everyone. Unless you'd like to ban British citizens from owning property abroad.
I realise this but it really iratates me that those who might wish to do similar in the future will be denied it necause of Brexit. In terms of the HofL any jiggery pokery like this should mean retirement from the institution. I used to think Lawson had good judgement but my opinion of him has demished to the extent that i wish him a long and happy retirement. I noteced Peter lilley being interviewed from France a couple of months ago as well. The Brexit supporters are nothing but hypercrits.
Leading question. Who says a compromise is sensible? More likely a fudge between the worst of being in and the worst of being out.
Exactly. A soft Brexit pleases no one.
Actually, a soft Brexit will be fine with 80%+ of the population. it just won't please anyone who really cares about the EU.
A Brexit which none of the people who care about the issue accept cannot ever resolve matters. It would just ensure the issue remained open for years longer.
And Brexycrite Lord Lawson has just announced that he's applying for French residency
He'll be telling us next that he's put all his money into carbon capture.
Surely he has NO business siting in the House of Lords if he is residant in France. The anti -brexit newspapers should be shaming Lord Lawson and JRM as the unacceptable face of Brexit. Both are guilty of saying one thing and doing another. It is one rule for the rich and powerful and another for the poor.
Residency is not citizenship. The rules are the same for everyone. Unless you'd like to ban British citizens from owning property abroad.
I realise this but it really iratates me that those who might wish to do similar in the future will be denied it necause of Brexit. In terms of the HofL any jiggery pokery like this should mean retirement from the institution. I used to think Lawson had good judgement but my opinion of him has demished to the extent that i wish him a long and happy retirement. butmyI noteced Peter lilley being interviewed from France a couple of months ago as well.
People moved abroad before Brexit and will do so afterwards . No jiggery-pokery - in fact he has stated he is following French official advice . I'm not a fan and was a Remain voter but you're over reacting. The EU is not the same as Europe .
Leading question. Who says a compromise is sensible? More likely a fudge between the worst of being in and the worst of being out.
Exactly. A soft Brexit pleases no one.
Actually, a soft Brexit will be fine with 80%+ of the population. it just won't please anyone who really cares about the EU.
A Brexit which none of the people who care about the issue accept cannot ever resolve matters. It would just ensure the issue remained open for years longer.
And Brexycrite Lord Lawson has just announced that he's applying for French residency
He'll be telling us next that he's put all his money into carbon capture.
Surely he has NO business siting in the House of Lords if he is residant in France. The anti -brexit newspapers should be shaming Lord Lawson and JRM as the unacceptable face of Brexit. Both are guilty of saying one thing and doing another. It is one rule for the rich and powerful and another for the poor.
Residency is not citizenship. The rules are the same for everyone. Unless you'd like to ban British citizens from owning property abroad.
I realise this but it really iratates me that those who might wish to do similar in the future will be denied it necause of Brexit. In terms of the HofL any jiggery pokery like this should mean retirement from the institution. I used to think Lawson had good judgement but my opinion of him has demished to the extent that i wish him a long and happy retirement. butmyI noteced Peter lilley being interviewed from France a couple of months ago as well.
People moved abroad before Brexit and will do so afterwards . No jiggery-pokery - in fact he has stated he is following French official advice . I'm not a fan and was a Remain voter but you're over reacting. The EU is not the same as Europe .
People also moved abroad before the UK joined the EU. The idea that leaving is going to prevent that is fanciful.
Big problems for the sport I’m afraid, it’s totally rotten when players and staff of half a dozen nationalities can be connected back to a couple of dodgy people. Hopefully Al Jazeera have handed their dossier to the ICC, national associations and police in the various countries mentioned.
The United States has fired the opening shots in a trade war with three of its traditional allies after imposing tariffs on imported steel and aluminium from the European Union, Canada and Mexico.
Wilbur Ross, Donald Trump’s commerce secretary, said the 25% duty on steel and the 10% duty on aluminium would be imposed from midnight.
In a move that is likely to prompt retaliation from Brussels, Ross said talks with the EU had not shown enough progress for European steel and aluminium producers to continue to be exempted from the tariffs.
They’ll just make them in the US as they do now. The German brands outsell the American brands in the luxury sector because they’re generally better cars.
Two postal votes received promptly today in SE Spain - completed and posted for the Tory in Lewisham East. Congratulations to Lewisham council fo their efficiency !
Two postal votes received promptly today in SE Spain - completed and posted for the Tory in Lewisham East. Congratulations to Lewisham council fo their efficiency !
What a wastage of money on the post !
Lewisham cover the postage but I'd happily pay to exercise my democratic right to vote . I know that's an alien concept for some on the left to grasp.
Two postal votes received promptly today in SE Spain - completed and posted for the Tory in Lewisham East. Congratulations to Lewisham council fo their efficiency !
What a wastage of money on the post !
Lewisham cover the postage but I'd happily pay to exercise my democratic right to vote . I know that's an alien concept for some on the left to grasp.
What a waste of Council Tax
Bet it is less than £2356.49 for a band E in Lewisham
Two postal votes received promptly today in SE Spain - completed and posted for the Tory in Lewisham East. Congratulations to Lewisham council fo their efficiency !
Two postal votes received promptly today in SE Spain - completed and posted for the Tory in Lewisham East. Congratulations to Lewisham council fo their efficiency !
What a wastage of money on the post !
Lewisham cover the postage but I'd happily pay to exercise my democratic right to vote . I know that's an alien concept for some on the left to grasp.
Two postal votes received promptly today in SE Spain - completed and posted for the Tory in Lewisham East. Congratulations to Lewisham council fo their efficiency !
What a wastage of money on the post !
Lewisham cover the postage but I'd happily pay to exercise my democratic right to vote . I know that's an alien concept for some on the left to grasp.
What a waste of Council Tax
Bet it is less than £2356.49 for a band E in Lewisham
Two postal votes received promptly today in SE Spain - completed and posted for the Tory in Lewisham East. Congratulations to Lewisham council fo their efficiency !
What a wastage of money on the post !
Lewisham cover the postage but I'd happily pay to exercise my democratic right to vote . I know that's an alien concept for some on the left to grasp.
Maybe you should have to send ID in as well in the future.
Leading question. Who says a compromise is sensible? More likely a fudge between the worst of being in and the worst of being out.
Exactly. A soft Brexit pleases no one.
Actually, a soft Brexit will be fine with 80%+ of the population. it just won't please anyone who really cares about the EU.
A Brexit which none of the people who care about the issue accept cannot ever resolve matters. It would just ensure the issue remained open for years longer.
And Brexycrite Lord Lawson has just announced that he's applying for French residency
He'll be telling us next that he's put all his money into carbon capture.
Surely he has NO business siting in the House of Lords if he is residant in France. The anti -brexit newspapers should be shaming Lord Lawson and JRM as the unacceptable face of Brexit. Both are guilty of saying one thing and doing another. It is one rule for the rich and powerful and another for the poor.
Residency is not citizenship. The rules are the same for everyone. Unless you'd like to ban British citizens from owning property abroad.
Cottarelli has given back the task to form a government
Conte to be received by Mattarella at 9 PM
Rumoured line up
Deputy PM and Work and Economic Development: Luigi Di Maio Deputy PM and Home Office: Matteo Salvini Economy: Giovanni Tria (Lega) Public Administration: Giulia Bongiorno (Lega). Regional Affairs: Erika Stefani (Lega). European Affairs: Savona South: Barbara Lezzi (M5S). Disables: Lorenzo Fontana (Lega). Foreign Affairs: Moavero Milanesi. Justice: Alfonso Bonafede (M5S). Defence:: Elisabetta Trenta (M5S). Agricolture: Gian Marco Centinaio (Lega). Infrastrucure: Mauro Coltorti (M5S). Education: Marco Bussetti (Lega). Culture: Alberto Bonisoli (M5S). Health: Giulia Grillo (M5S). Relationship with Parliament: Riccardo Fraccaro (M5S)
Two postal votes received promptly today in SE Spain - completed and posted for the Tory in Lewisham East. Congratulations to Lewisham council fo their efficiency !
Not voting tactically in Lewisham then Felix?
Yes.
Of course, for a Conservative like you the Lib Dems are the enemy. Labour are the Opposition and serve a useful purpose in that role.
I remember what happened in a constituency not far from Lewisham East when the Conservative voters realised there was another way to stop Labour winning a by-election.
So, hows that trade deal negotiation going then, minister?
He has the look and demeanour of someone thinking 'Feck, I should have backed Remain'
#TheSadnessInHisEyes
If we had voted Remain we would be subject to these tariffs on the EU indefinitely, post Brexit it is possible Trump could exempt the UK as he has done for Australia and South Korea for example
So, hows that trade deal negotiation going then, minister?
He has the look and demeanour of someone thinking 'Feck, I should have backed Remain'
#TheSadnessInHisEyes
If we had voted Remain we would be subject to these tariffs on the EU indefinitely, post Brexit it is possible Trump could exempt the UK as he has done for Australia and South Korea for example
Cottarelli has given back the task to form a government
Conte to be received by Mattarella at 9 PM
Rumoured line up
Deputy PM and Work and Economic Development: Luigi Di Maio Deputy PM and Home Office: Matteo Salvini Economy: Giovanni Tria (Lega) Public Administration: Giulia Bongiorno (Lega). Regional Affairs: Erika Stefani (Lega). European Affairs: Savona South: Barbara Lezzi (M5S). Disables: Lorenzo Fontana (Lega). Foreign Affairs: Moavero Milanesi. Justice: Alfonso Bonafede (M5S). Defence:: Elisabetta Trenta (M5S). Agricolture: Gian Marco Centinaio (Lega). Infrastrucure: Mauro Coltorti (M5S). Education: Marco Bussetti (Lega). Culture: Alberto Bonisoli (M5S). Health: Giulia Grillo (M5S). Relationship with Parliament: Riccardo Fraccaro (M5S)
So, hows that trade deal negotiation going then, minister?
He has the look and demeanour of someone thinking 'Feck, I should have backed Remain'
#TheSadnessInHisEyes
If we had voted Remain we would be subject to these tariffs on the EU indefinitely, post Brexit it is possible Trump could exempt the UK as he has done for Australia and South Korea for example
So, hows that trade deal negotiation going then, minister?
He has the look and demeanour of someone thinking 'Feck, I should have backed Remain'
#TheSadnessInHisEyes
If we had voted Remain we would be subject to these tariffs on the EU indefinitely, post Brexit it is possible Trump could exempt the UK as he has done for Australia and South Korea for example
So, hows that trade deal negotiation going then, minister?
He has the look and demeanour of someone thinking 'Feck, I should have backed Remain'
#TheSadnessInHisEyes
If we had voted Remain we would be subject to these tariffs on the EU indefinitely, post Brexit it is possible Trump could exempt the UK as he has done for Australia and South Korea for example
Two postal votes received promptly today in SE Spain - completed and posted for the Tory in Lewisham East. Congratulations to Lewisham council fo their efficiency !
Not voting tactically in Lewisham then Felix?
Yes.
Of course, for a Conservative like you the Lib Dems are the enemy. Labour are the Opposition and serve a useful purpose in that role.
I remember what happened in a constituency not far from Lewisham East when the Conservative voters realised there was another way to stop Labour winning a by-election.
No. Simply prefer my party loyalty this time. Lewisham once had 2 Tory MPs - the past is another country.
So, hows that trade deal negotiation going then, minister?
He has the look and demeanour of someone thinking 'Feck, I should have backed Remain'
#TheSadnessInHisEyes
If we had voted Remain we would be subject to these tariffs on the EU indefinitely, post Brexit it is possible Trump could exempt the UK as he has done for Australia and South Korea for example
Will that be in 2023 after Mays Custom Union ends?
Which could still be in the 2nd term of a Trump Presidency of course though we will be out of the full Customs Union by the end of 2020 on May's timetable
Two postal votes received promptly today in SE Spain - completed and posted for the Tory in Lewisham East. Congratulations to Lewisham council fo their efficiency !
What a wastage of money on the post !
Lewisham cover the postage but I'd happily pay to exercise my democratic right to vote . I know that's an alien concept for some on the left to grasp.
Maybe you should have to send ID in as well in the future.
Two postal votes received promptly today in SE Spain - completed and posted for the Tory in Lewisham East. Congratulations to Lewisham council fo their efficiency !
Not voting tactically in Lewisham then Felix?
Yes.
Of course, for a Conservative like you the Lib Dems are the enemy. Labour are the Opposition and serve a useful purpose in that role.
I remember what happened in a constituency not far from Lewisham East when the Conservative voters realised there was another way to stop Labour winning a by-election.
Unless the LDs commit to vote down a Corbyn government a LD vote is a vote to get Corbyn by the backdoor as well as a vote for a party more hostile to Brexit than Corbyn Labour are
Leading question. Who says a compromise is sensible? More likely a fudge between the worst of being in and the worst of being out.
Exactly. A soft Brexit pleases no one.
Actually, a soft Brexit will be fine with 80%+ of the population. it just won't please anyone who really cares about the EU.
A Brexit which none of the people who care about the issue accept cannot ever resolve matters. It would just ensure the issue remained open for years longer.
And Brexycrite Lord Lawson has just announced that he's applying for French residency
He'll be telling us next that he's put all his money into carbon capture.
Surely he has NO business siting in the House of Lords if he is residant in France. The anti -brexit newspapers should be shaming Lord Lawson and JRM as the unacceptable face of Brexit. Both are guilty of saying one thing and doing another. It is one rule for the rich and powerful and another for the poor.
Residency is not citizenship. The rules are the same for everyone. Unless you'd like to ban British citizens from owning property abroad.
Cottarelli has given back the task to form a government
Conte to be received by Mattarella at 9 PM
Rumoured line up
Deputy PM and Work and Economic Development: Luigi Di Maio Deputy PM and Home Office: Matteo Salvini Economy: Giovanni Tria (Lega) Public Administration: Giulia Bongiorno (Lega). Regional Affairs: Erika Stefani (Lega). European Affairs: Savona South: Barbara Lezzi (M5S). Disables: Lorenzo Fontana (Lega). Foreign Affairs: Moavero Milanesi. Justice: Alfonso Bonafede (M5S). Defence:: Elisabetta Trenta (M5S). Agricolture: Gian Marco Centinaio (Lega). Infrastrucure: Mauro Coltorti (M5S). Education: Marco Bussetti (Lega). Culture: Alberto Bonisoli (M5S). Health: Giulia Grillo (M5S). Relationship with Parliament: Riccardo Fraccaro (M5S)
Will this one be given the nod do you think ?
Savona, Europe - top trolling.
But, I guess he won't have the same power he would have done at Economy, so it might fly.
Rivera is not 'ultranationalist' but a liberal who just wants to keep Spain united
The 'nation' of Spain.
Rather odd that the 'liberal' leader of an opposition party should think the downfall of the Francoist leader of a corrupt, nationalist party is a tragedy.
Unless the LDs commit to vote down a Corbyn government a LD vote is a vote to get Corbyn by the backdoor as well as a vote for a party more hostile to Brexit than Corbyn Labour are
That's just absurd and slightly desperate rubbish. No LD has stated the Party will support a minority Labour Government, indeed no LD has said the party won't support a minority Conservative Government.
This is the typical Conservative tactic of claiming that everyone is against them and no one will help the poor old Tories - despite the fact the Conservative Party has governed with support from other parties from both 2010-15 and from 2017.
As a Conservative member you want to maximise the Conservative vote - I get that, I really do but to assume every non-Conservative vote is a pro-Labour vote is just pathetic.
Unless the LDs commit to vote down a Corbyn government a LD vote is a vote to get Corbyn by the backdoor as well as a vote for a party more hostile to Brexit than Corbyn Labour are
As a Conservative member you want to maximise the Conservative vote - I get that, I really do but to assume every non-Conservative vote is a pro-Labour vote is just pathetic.
In fairness, a lot of Labour members seem to think the exact same way when they talk of anti-Tory majorities as though it would therefore be dead simple to get the LDs or whoever to do what they wanted.
In fairness, a lot of Labour members seem to think the exact same way when they talk of anti-Tory majorities as though it would therefore be dead simple to get the LDs or whoever to do what they wanted.
Yes and all the talk about a "progressive majority" is misplaced. HYUFD is a Conservative activist - it's perfectly reasonable for him to want to maximise the Conservative vote but it's the same old tactic which comes down to "if you're not with us, you're against us".
I find that curious coming from a party which after two of the last three elections has had to go and talk to other parties to get into or remain in Government. Clearly, the Conservatives will talk to other parties and are quite happy to do so when it is in their best interests but that's pragmatic politics.
No one in the LDs I talk to is thinking about supporting Corbyn or May - indeed, most of us regard them with equal distaste but that's our prerogative from 12 MPs. IF it seems likely a 2010 or Feb 74 situation is likely yo exist after the next GE, the Party will have to ask itself some searching questions.
I haven't seen the 2022 Labour manifesto or its Conservative equivalent so I don't know what either party is proposing and which of the two is nearer the LD position at that time.
Rivera is not 'ultranationalist' but a liberal who just wants to keep Spain united
The 'nation' of Spain.
Rather odd that the 'liberal' leader of an opposition party should think the downfall of the Francoist leader of a corrupt, nationalist party is a tragedy.
The Falange and their fellow travellers. The Bishop will probably hold a special mass too.
Rivera is not 'ultranationalist' but a liberal who just wants to keep Spain united
The 'nation' of Spain.
Rather odd that the 'liberal' leader of an opposition party should think the downfall of the Francoist leader of a corrupt, nationalist party is a tragedy.
That party won most votes and seats at the last general election and until the next one has the biggest mandate to lead a government.
Also your supporting calling Rivera 'ultranationalist' while being a supporter of the Scottish National Party is beyond satire!
Rivera is not 'ultranationalist' but a liberal who just wants to keep Spain united
The 'nation' of Spain.
Rather odd that the 'liberal' leader of an opposition party should think the downfall of the Francoist leader of a corrupt, nationalist party is a tragedy.
The Falange and their fellow travellers. The Bishop will probably hold a special mass too.
After Real Madrid? form an orderly queue Franco's boys...
Unless the LDs commit to vote down a Corbyn government a LD vote is a vote to get Corbyn by the backdoor as well as a vote for a party more hostile to Brexit than Corbyn Labour are
That's just absurd and slightly desperate rubbish. No LD has stated the Party will support a minority Labour Government, indeed no LD has said the party won't support a minority Conservative Government.
This is the typical Conservative tactic of claiming that everyone is against them and no one will help the poor old Tories - despite the fact the Conservative Party has governed with support from other parties from both 2010-15 and from 2017.
As a Conservative member you want to maximise the Conservative vote - I get that, I really do but to assume every non-Conservative vote is a pro-Labour vote is just pathetic.
I am not only a Tory activist I intend to do at least one Saturday campaigning in Lewisham East.
The Conservative Party should be aiming for a majority Conservative government not lending votes to the LDs in a by election which would end up most probably with the main headline being 'LDs beat Tories for 2nd place' not 'LDs gain Lewisham East from Labour'
In fairness, a lot of Labour members seem to think the exact same way when they talk of anti-Tory majorities as though it would therefore be dead simple to get the LDs or whoever to do what they wanted.
Yes and all the talk about a "progressive majority" is misplaced. HYUFD is a Conservative activist - it's perfectly reasonable for him to want to maximise the Conservative vote but it's the same old tactic which comes down to "if you're not with us, you're against us".
I find that curious coming from a party which after two of the last three elections has had to go and talk to other parties to get into or remain in Government. Clearly, the Conservatives will talk to other parties and are quite happy to do so when it is in their best interests but that's pragmatic politics.
No one in the LDs I talk to is thinking about supporting Corbyn or May - indeed, most of us regard them with equal distaste but that's our prerogative from 12 MPs. IF it seems likely a 2010 or Feb 74 situation is likely yo exist after the next GE, the Party will have to ask itself some searching questions.
I haven't seen the 2022 Labour manifesto or its Conservative equivalent so I don't know what either party is proposing and which of the two is nearer the LD position at that time.
I suspect any formal deal would go out to amembership consultation, but personally I would stick to ad hoc support for individual bills.
Leading question. Who says a compromise is sensible? More likely a fudge between the worst of being in and the worst of being out.
Exactly. A soft Brexit pleases no one.
Actually, a soft Brexit will be fine with 80%+ of the population. it just won't please anyone who really cares about the EU.
A Brexit which none of the people who care about the issue accept cannot ever resolve matters. It would just ensure the issue remained open for years longer.
And Brexycrite Lord Lawson has just announced that he's applying for French residency
Nothing quite like being a Brexiteer commenting on Brexit by the pool from your chateau in the south of France while drinking vintage champagne!
Rivera is not 'ultranationalist' but a liberal who just wants to keep Spain united
The 'nation' of Spain.
Rather odd that the 'liberal' leader of an opposition party should think the downfall of the Francoist leader of a corrupt, nationalist party is a tragedy.
That party won most votes and seats at the last general election and until the next one has the biggest mandate to lead a government.
Also your supporting calling Rivera 'ultranationalist' while being a supporter of the Scottish National Party is beyond satire!
I sense your accquantance with satire is a distant one at the best of times.
I am not only a Tory activist I intend to do at least one Saturday campaigning in Lewisham East.
The Conservative Party should be aiming for a majority Conservative government not lending votes to the LDs in a by election which would end up most probably with the main headline being 'LDs beat Tories for 2nd place' not 'LDs gain Lewisham East from Labour'
I've absolutely no issue with that just as you won't have a problem with me working for the LDs in Lewisham East. I don't think either of us will be on the winning side but that isn't the point. I don't want to give Labour a free ride any more than you do and that's not how democracy is or should be.
The point you made earlier was to allege the LDs would prop up a minority Corbyn Government and I understand why the Conservatives would want that as a message but it's not true at this time and hopefully not at any time.
IF we finish up with a minority Corbyn Government, it won't matter if the LDs vote against if the Conservatives do what they did when this happened before and abstained on Wilson's Queen's Speech in March 1974. How do I know the Conservatives won't run away again if a minority Corbyn Government puts forward its legislative plan ?
Where is the Conservative commitment to vote down the Queen's Speech of a minority Labour Government ?
I am not only a Tory activist I intend to do at least one Saturday campaigning in Lewisham East.
The Conservative Party should be aiming for a majority Conservative government not lending votes to the LDs in a by election which would end up most probably with the main headline being 'LDs beat Tories for 2nd place' not 'LDs gain Lewisham East from Labour'
I've absolutely no issue with that just as you won't have a problem with me working for the LDs in Lewisham East. I don't think either of us will be on the winning side but that isn't the point. I don't want to give Labour a free ride any more than you do and that's not how democracy is or should be.
The point you made earlier was to allege the LDs would prop up a minority Corbyn Government and I understand why the Conservatives would want that as a message but it's not true at this time and hopefully not at any time.
IF we finish up with a minority Corbyn Government, it won't matter if the LDs vote against if the Conservatives do what they did when this happened before and abstained on Wilson's Queen's Speech in March 1974. How do I know the Conservatives won't run away again if a minority Corbyn Government puts forward its legislative plan ?
Where is the Conservative commitment to vote down the Queen's Speech of a minority Labour Government ?
My point was unless the LDs give a clear commitment to vote down a Corbyn government and vote for May in a vote of confidence if they hold the balance of power no Tory supporter should be 'lending' their vote to the LDs. You could just about make a case to do so in 2015 when the LDs were in coalition with the Tories but not now especially given Cable's past sympathies with Labour and his hostility to Brexit.
Heath clearly aimed for a majority in Feb 1974, as he achieved in 1970, he only abstained on the Queen's Speech after losing that majority and after coalition talks with the Liberals failed after Thorpe's demand for PR. If you don't aim for a majority and to maximise your voteshare before a general election, especially with our FPTP system, there is clearly little point being in the game at all. Not to mention Lewisham East was Tory in 1983 and 1987 but has never been Liberal
Cottarelli has given back the task to form a government
Conte to be received by Mattarella at 9 PM
Rumoured line up
Deputy PM and Work and Economic Development: Luigi Di Maio Deputy PM and Home Office: Matteo Salvini Economy: Giovanni Tria (Lega) Public Administration: Giulia Bongiorno (Lega). Regional Affairs: Erika Stefani (Lega). European Affairs: Savona South: Barbara Lezzi (M5S). Disables: Lorenzo Fontana (Lega). Foreign Affairs: Moavero Milanesi. Justice: Alfonso Bonafede (M5S). Defence:: Elisabetta Trenta (M5S). Agricolture: Gian Marco Centinaio (Lega). Infrastrucure: Mauro Coltorti (M5S). Education: Marco Bussetti (Lega). Culture: Alberto Bonisoli (M5S). Health: Giulia Grillo (M5S). Relationship with Parliament: Riccardo Fraccaro (M5S)
Will this one be given the nod do you think ?
I see Savona gets European affairs! So who can say.
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Giuseppe Conte 1.11 £230.00 £25.78 'back'
Why should his continuing to want to live there now be an unacceptable hypocrisy?
Which England players are involved in any sort of batting?
https://twitter.com/MikeGapes/status/1001902276380905472
Have to vote for a fellow Rick Astley fan.
Big problems for the sport I’m afraid, it’s totally rotten when players and staff of half a dozen nationalities can be connected back to a couple of dodgy people. Hopefully Al Jazeera have handed their dossier to the ICC, national associations and police in the various countries mentioned.
There was this dodgy match in the sandpit earlier this year, which was a completely unsactioned match at a small local ground - that was being televised in India, presumably purely for the bookmakers.
https://www.thenational.ae/sport/cricket/ajman-all-stars-league-subject-of-icc-anti-corruption-probe-1.700280
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/05/trump-wants-a-total-ban-on-german-luxury-car-imports/
...from the electorate'
The plebs need saving from themselves.
BTW Pinapple in curry and/or biryani is infinitely worse!
This, however, is the sort of sh!t that the US gets really upset about: it’s a straight copy of an iPhone for half the price, sold in China by a Chinese company.
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/05/xiaomi-clones-the-iphone-x-for-420-adds-in-display-fingerprint-reader/
All you min yee um or Al ooh minum?
#TheSadnessInHisEyes
£1,757.19
https://twitter.com/RobertHMerriman/status/1002188107347709952
Cottarelli has given back the task to form a government
Conte to be received by Mattarella at 9 PM
Rumoured line up
Deputy PM and Work and Economic Development: Luigi Di Maio
Deputy PM and Home Office: Matteo Salvini
Economy: Giovanni Tria (Lega)
Public Administration: Giulia Bongiorno (Lega).
Regional Affairs: Erika Stefani (Lega).
European Affairs: Savona
South: Barbara Lezzi (M5S).
Disables: Lorenzo Fontana (Lega).
Foreign Affairs: Moavero Milanesi.
Justice: Alfonso Bonafede (M5S).
Defence:: Elisabetta Trenta (M5S).
Agricolture: Gian Marco Centinaio (Lega).
Infrastrucure: Mauro Coltorti (M5S).
Education: Marco Bussetti (Lega).
Culture: Alberto Bonisoli (M5S).
Health: Giulia Grillo (M5S).
Relationship with Parliament: Riccardo Fraccaro (M5S)
I remember what happened in a constituency not far from Lewisham East when the Conservative voters realised there was another way to stop Labour winning a by-election.
https://853london.com/2018/05/31/greenwich-council-leader-to-scrap-painted-hall-mayor-making-junkets/
What else should one expect from a Labour stronghold?
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/929374/Donald-Trump-steel-aluminium-tariffs-Theresa-May-UK-exemption-Mexico-Canada
But, I guess he won't have the same power he would have done at Economy, so it might fly.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44323445
Yeah Jezza. Instead of unpaid interns, Umunna should just have employed a son of a friend. That's perfectly fair and equitable, as you well know.
Rather odd that the 'liberal' leader of an opposition party should think the downfall of the Francoist leader of a corrupt, nationalist party is a tragedy.
This is the typical Conservative tactic of claiming that everyone is against them and no one will help the poor old Tories - despite the fact the Conservative Party has governed with support from other parties from both 2010-15 and from 2017.
As a Conservative member you want to maximise the Conservative vote - I get that, I really do but to assume every non-Conservative vote is a pro-Labour vote is just pathetic.
I find that curious coming from a party which after two of the last three elections has had to go and talk to other parties to get into or remain in Government. Clearly, the Conservatives will talk to other parties and are quite happy to do so when it is in their best interests but that's pragmatic politics.
No one in the LDs I talk to is thinking about supporting Corbyn or May - indeed, most of us regard them with equal distaste but that's our prerogative from 12 MPs. IF it seems likely a 2010 or Feb 74 situation is likely yo exist after the next GE, the Party will have to ask itself some searching questions.
I haven't seen the 2022 Labour manifesto or its Conservative equivalent so I don't know what either party is proposing and which of the two is nearer the LD position at that time.
Also your supporting calling Rivera 'ultranationalist' while being a supporter of the Scottish National Party is beyond satire!
The Conservative Party should be aiming for a majority Conservative government not lending votes to the LDs in a by election which would end up most probably with the main headline being 'LDs beat Tories for 2nd place' not 'LDs gain Lewisham East from Labour'
https://www.raiplay.it/dirette/rainews24
The point you made earlier was to allege the LDs would prop up a minority Corbyn Government and I understand why the Conservatives would want that as a message but it's not true at this time and hopefully not at any time.
IF we finish up with a minority Corbyn Government, it won't matter if the LDs vote against if the Conservatives do what they did when this happened before and abstained on Wilson's Queen's Speech in March 1974. How do I know the Conservatives won't run away again if a minority Corbyn Government puts forward its legislative plan ?
Where is the Conservative commitment to vote down the Queen's Speech of a minority Labour Government ?
I was in bed when last sunday's debacle unfolded.
Heath clearly aimed for a majority in Feb 1974, as he achieved in 1970, he only abstained on the Queen's Speech after losing that majority and after coalition talks with the Liberals failed after Thorpe's demand for PR. If you don't aim for a majority and to maximise your voteshare before a general election, especially with our FPTP system, there is clearly little point being in the game at all. Not to mention Lewisham East was Tory in 1983 and 1987 but has never been Liberal
He said he'd serve no more than 9 years. That was on 22 June 2009. When's the biggest vote on a current Brexit bill likely to be held in the Commons?
The latest issue of Private Eye has some corking info on how certain of his critics in that chamber have managed to see the errors of their ways.
https://twitter.com/JustinTrudeau/status/1002266297865048064
PS Is Erika Stefani related to Gwen?