My point was unless the LDs give a clear commitment to vote down a Corbyn government and vote for May in a vote of confidence if they hold the balance of power no Tory supporter should be 'lending' their vote to the LDs. You could just about make a case to do so in 2015 when the LDs were in coalition with the Tories but not now especially given Cable's past sympathies with Labour and his hostility to Brexit.
Heath clearly aimed for a majority in Feb 1974, as he achieved in 1970, he only abstained on the Queen's Speech after losing that majority and after coalition talks with the Liberals failed after Thorpe's demand for PR. If you don't aim for a majority and to maximise your voteshare before a general election, especially with our FPTP system, there is clearly little point being in the game at all. Not to mention Lewisham East was Tory in 1983 and 1987 but has never been Liberal
On your first paragraph, I don't know when you think the next election will be. I think if the Conservatives are self-indulgent enough to bother the country with yet another election in the next 12 months they'll deserve the shellacking they may well get.
As for 2022, I don't expect Cable or May to be leading their respective parties by then but the LDs will, quite rightly, look at what each party has to offer in terms of a programme of legislation before deciding what to do if the parliamentary arithmetic means no overall majority. You and the Conservative party are entitled to draw whatever inference you like from that and are quite entitled to maximise your own vote.
All I'll say is it was Cameron and May who respectively moved the Conservatives into partnership after failing to win majorities rather than opting to govern alone.
The point about 1974 is Heath COULD have voted down Wilson's Queen's Speech and triggered a fresh election but he chose not to and I was simply suggesting the pattern could be repeated in 2022. Having the numbers is one thing - having a willingness to use them is another.
As for Lewisham East, one of your party compatriots reminded me earlier the past is a foreign country so I'll leave that one with you.
Leading question. Who says a compromise is sensible? More likely a fudge between the worst of being in and the worst of being out.
Exactly. A soft Brexit pleases no one.
Actually, a soft Brexit will be fine with 80%+ of the population. it just won't please anyone who really cares about the EU.
A Brexit which none of the people who care about the issue accept cannot ever resolve matters. It would just ensure the issue remained open for years longer.
And Brexycrite Lord Lawson has just announced that he's applying for French residency
He'll be telling us next that he's put all his money into carbon capture.
Surely he has NO business siting in the House of Lords if he is residant in France. The anti -brexit newspapers should be shaming Lord Lawson and JRM as the unacceptable face of Brexit. Both are guilty of saying one thing and doing another. It is one rule for the rich and powerful and another for the poor.
Residency is not citizenship. The rules are the same for everyone. Unless you'd like to ban British citizens from owning property abroad.
No, just hypocrites
His establishment of residency abroad has of course been made very easy by EU citizenship
The Italian Grand Orient got annoyed last year when the parliamentary anti-mafia commission ordered them to hand over their membership lists in two regions. Ten days ago, the grand master called the "Anti-Masonic" clause in the M5S-Liga governmental agreement "unconstitutional", and he sent an appeal for support to masonic grand lodges around the world. You can read it here.
When the gynophobic breast-barers do that, it's serious. They're saying "We're in distress, our brothers! Help us!"
Of course all they are is men who share an interest in Pythagorean geometry, architecture, and using ritual to convey moral teaching. And wearing hangmen's nooses. No harm to anyone.
Rivera is not 'ultranationalist' but a liberal who just wants to keep Spain united
The 'nation' of Spain.
Rather odd that the 'liberal' leader of an opposition party should think the downfall of the Francoist leader of a corrupt, nationalist party is a tragedy.
Why when Ciudadanos have been backing Rajoy and PP all along. That's PR voting systems for you, it forces people to work with others like that.
Odd system the Spanish one that if the No Confidence motion passes the outcome is not an early election but instead the Socialist leader becomes PM. Bizzare.
Deputy PM and Work and Economic Development and Social Policies: Luigi Di Maio Deputy PM and Home Office: Matteo Salvini Economy: Giovanni Tria (Lega) Public Administration: Giulia Bongiorno (Lega). Regional Affairs and local autonomies: Erika Stefani (Lega). European Affairs: Paolo Savona South: Barbara Lezzi (M5S). Family and Disables: Lorenzo Fontana (Lega). Foreign Affairs: Enzo Moavero Milanesi. Justice: Alfonso Bonafede (M5S). Defence:: Elisabetta Trenta (M5S). Agricolture: Gian Marco Centinaio (Lega). Infrastructure and Transport: Danilo Toninelli. (M5S). Education: Marco Bussetti (Lega). Culture: Alberto Bonisoli (M5S). Health: Giulia Grillo (M5S). Relationship with Parliament and Open Democracy: Riccardo Fraccaro (M5S) Environment: Sergio Costa
Under Secretary to the Presidency: Giancarlo Giorgetti (Lega)
Compared to the rumored list, the difference is Toninelli
Say what you like about Trump and his policies, but at least he does what he says he will.
As far as I can tell he’s implementing (or trying to implement) everything he stood for election on.
He promised to build a border wall, deport all illegal immigrants, reintroduce torture in the form of waterboarding and make it "much worse", instruct the attorney general to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Hillary Clinton, and spend lots of money on transport infrastructure.
My point was unless the LDs give a clear commitment to vote down a Corbyn government and vote for May in a vote of confidence if they hold the balance of power no Tory supporter should be 'lending' their vote to the LDs. You could just about make a case to do so in 2015 when the LDs were in coalition with the Tories but not now especially given Cable's past sympathies with Labour and his hostility to Brexit.
Heath clearly aimed for a majority in Feb 1974, as he achieved in 1970, he only abstained on the Queen's Speech after losing that majority and after coalition talks with the Liberals failed after Thorpe's demand for PR. If you don't aim for a majority and to maximise your voteshare before a general election, especially with our FPTP system, there is clearly little point being in the game at all. Not to mention Lewisham East was Tory in 1983 and 1987 but has never been Liberal
On your first paragraph, I don't know when you think the next election will be. I think if the Conservatives are self-indulgent enough to bother the country with yet another election in the next 12 months they'll deserve the shellacking they may well get.
As for 2022, I don't expect Cable or May to be leading their respective parties by then but the LDs will, quite rightly, look at what each party has to offer in terms of a programme of legislation before deciding what to do if the parliamentary arithmetic means no overall majority. You and the Conservative party are entitled to draw whatever inference you like from that and are quite entitled to maximise your own vote.
All I'll say is it was Cameron and May who respectively moved the Conservatives into partnership after failing to win majorities rather than opting to govern alone.
The point about 1974 is Heath COULD have voted down Wilson's Queen's Speech and triggered a fresh election but he chose not to and I was simply suggesting the pattern could be repeated in 2022. Having the numbers is one thing - having a willingness to use them is another.
As for Lewisham East, one of your party compatriots reminded me earlier the past is a foreign country so I'll leave that one with you.
Most Tories including May do not want an early election and of course the party will be seeking a majority when the general election comes.
In a hung parliament no party can govern alone, it needs the support of enough MPs beyond its own ranks to ensure it can survive on a confidence and supply vote.
In 1974 there was a general election in October where again Heath aimed for a majority even if he did not achieve it.
The past shows clearly that the only party to have beaten the LDs in Lewisham East is the Tories, of course for every Tory who votes LD the chance of a Tory MP in the seat reduces accordingly.
Rivera is not 'ultranationalist' but a liberal who just wants to keep Spain united
The 'nation' of Spain.
Rather odd that the 'liberal' leader of an opposition party should think the downfall of the Francoist leader of a corrupt, nationalist party is a tragedy.
That party won most votes and seats at the last general election and until the next one has the biggest mandate to lead a government.
Also your supporting calling Rivera 'ultranationalist' while being a supporter of the Scottish National Party is beyond satire!
To be honest either voting Tory or Lib Dem won't make a jot of difference in Lewisham East (Well apart from me and Mike's side bet) - Labour are going to romp home.
A slightly odd question: do we know if Hitler directly, by his own hand, kill anyone? Did he shoot or stab someone directly, as opposed to by the swipe of a pen or a verbal order?
(This just came up in conversation; it's not in any way an odd attempt to defend him.)
Rivera is not 'ultranationalist' but a liberal who just wants to keep Spain united
The 'nation' of Spain.
Rather odd that the 'liberal' leader of an opposition party should think the downfall of the Francoist leader of a corrupt, nationalist party is a tragedy.
That party won most votes and seats at the last general election and until the next one has the biggest mandate to lead a government.
Also your supporting calling Rivera 'ultranationalist' while being a supporter of the Scottish National Party is beyond satire!
Rivera is not 'ultranationalist' but a liberal who just wants to keep Spain united
The 'nation' of Spain.
Rather odd that the 'liberal' leader of an opposition party should think the downfall of the Francoist leader of a corrupt, nationalist party is a tragedy.
That party won most votes and seats at the last general election and until the next one has the biggest mandate to lead a government.
Also your supporting calling Rivera 'ultranationalist' while being a supporter of the Scottish National Party is beyond satire!
A slightly odd question: do we know if Hitler directly, by his own hand, kill anyone? Did he shoot or stab someone directly, as opposed to by the swipe of a pen or a verbal order?
(This just came up in conversation; it's not in any way an odd attempt to defend him.)
Wasn't he in the military at a younger age (from memory). He may have then but without it being an especially interesting historical part of his life oddly enough.
A slightly odd question: do we know if Hitler directly, by his own hand, kill anyone? Did he shoot or stab someone directly, as opposed to by the swipe of a pen or a verbal order?
(This just came up in conversation; it's not in any way an odd attempt to defend him.)
A slightly odd question: do we know if Hitler directly, by his own hand, kill anyone? Did he shoot or stab someone directly, as opposed to by the swipe of a pen or a verbal order?
(This just came up in conversation; it's not in any way an odd attempt to defend him.)
Wasn't he in the military at a younger age (from memory). He may have then but without it being an especially interesting historical part of his life oddly enough.
Won an Iron Cross, was wounded & gassed, so certainly saw some action.
A slightly odd question: do we know if Hitler directly, by his own hand, kill anyone? Did he shoot or stab someone directly, as opposed to by the swipe of a pen or a verbal order?
(This just came up in conversation; it's not in any way an odd attempt to defend him.)
Wasn't he in the military at a younger age (from memory). He may have then but without it being an especially interesting historical part of his life oddly enough.
That's a good point - I stupidly forgot he was in the ?Bavarian? Army. I might therefore change the question to his personal / political lives, rather than his time serving in WW1 (though it'd be interesting to know if he is known to then.)
A slightly odd question: do we know if Hitler directly, by his own hand, kill anyone? Did he shoot or stab someone directly, as opposed to by the swipe of a pen or a verbal order?
(This just came up in conversation; it's not in any way an odd attempt to defend him.)
A slightly odd question: do we know if Hitler directly, by his own hand, kill anyone? Did he shoot or stab someone directly, as opposed to by the swipe of a pen or a verbal order?
(This just came up in conversation; it's not in any way an odd attempt to defend him.)
You been out with KL
???? What / who is KL?
It's been a week of comebacks. Perhaps Ken will throw his hat into the ring for the next London mayoralty as an independent
A slightly odd question: do we know if Hitler directly, by his own hand, kill anyone? Did he shoot or stab someone directly, as opposed to by the swipe of a pen or a verbal order?
(This just came up in conversation; it's not in any way an odd attempt to defend him.)
A slightly odd question: do we know if Hitler directly, by his own hand, kill anyone? Did he shoot or stab someone directly, as opposed to by the swipe of a pen or a verbal order?
(This just came up in conversation; it's not in any way an odd attempt to defend him.)
You been out with KL
???? What / who is KL?
Thought you mentioned a conversation involving Hitler
A slightly odd question: do we know if Hitler directly, by his own hand, kill anyone? Did he shoot or stab someone directly, as opposed to by the swipe of a pen or a verbal order?
(This just came up in conversation; it's not in any way an odd attempt to defend him.)
You been out with KL
???? What / who is KL?
It's been a week of comebacks. Perhaps Ken will throw his hat into the ring for the next London mayoralty as an independent
Ah, Ken Livingstone. Nah, was just watching the latest episode of 'Timeless' and we got sidetracked onto a conversation of the relative evil of the likes of Hitler, Mao, Stalin etc, and the question came up.
A slightly odd question: do we know if Hitler directly, by his own hand, kill anyone? Did he shoot or stab someone directly, as opposed to by the swipe of a pen or a verbal order?
(This just came up in conversation; it's not in any way an odd attempt to defend him.)
You been out with KL
???? What / who is KL?
Thought you mentioned a conversation involving Hitler
Oh, you are silly. It is possible to discuss Hitler and his past in a way that does not make you seem such an utter little sh*t as Livingstone did - repeatedly.
A slightly odd question: do we know if Hitler directly, by his own hand, kill anyone? Did he shoot or stab someone directly, as opposed to by the swipe of a pen or a verbal order?
(This just came up in conversation; it's not in any way an odd attempt to defend him.)
Wasn't he in the military at a younger age (from memory). He may have then but without it being an especially interesting historical part of his life oddly enough.
That's a good point - I stupidly forgot he was in the ?Bavarian? Army. I might therefore change the question to his personal / political lives, rather than his time serving in WW1 (though it'd be interesting to know if he is known to then.)
As the number killed on the Western Front was considerably fewer than the number serving on the opposite side in the front line, statistically most front line infantry men wouldnt have killed anyone. Once you take out machine gunners and artillerymen, who must have killed more than average, an ordinary rifleman may have accounted for perhaps 25% of enemy fatalities.
It is likely that Hitler didnt kill anyone, directly.
A slightly odd question: do we know if Hitler directly, by his own hand, kill anyone? Did he shoot or stab someone directly, as opposed to by the swipe of a pen or a verbal order?
(This just came up in conversation; it's not in any way an odd attempt to defend him.)
Seriously comrade this must rank as the stupidest post I have ever seen here...and mate I've seen alot, particularly when seanT is bladdered and bragging about shagging some teenager or something...this post actually ranks much lower than that...
A slightly odd question: do we know if Hitler directly, by his own hand, kill anyone? Did he shoot or stab someone directly, as opposed to by the swipe of a pen or a verbal order?
(This just came up in conversation; it's not in any way an odd attempt to defend him.)
Many people are fucking idiots. One can only hope they roughly balance out.
I remember before the second Iraq war being pretty anti-war, and being pushed largely to the pro-war side largely by the chorus of absolute idiots in the anti-war camp, drowning out any quite reasonable arguments against the war with utterly moronic ones.
A slightly odd question: do we know if Hitler directly, by his own hand, kill anyone? Did he shoot or stab someone directly, as opposed to by the swipe of a pen or a verbal order?
(This just came up in conversation; it's not in any way an odd attempt to defend him.)
Seriously comrade this must rank as the stupidest post I have ever seen here...and mate I've seen alot, particularly when seanT is bladdered and bragging about shagging some teenager or something...this post actually ranks much lower than that...
To be honest either voting Tory or Lib Dem won't make a jot of difference in Lewisham East (Well apart from me and Mike's side bet) - Labour are going to romp home.
Oh I don't think they'll romp home. They'll simply coast home. Big difference.
A slightly odd question: do we know if Hitler directly, by his own hand, kill anyone? Did he shoot or stab someone directly, as opposed to by the swipe of a pen or a verbal order?
(This just came up in conversation; it's not in any way an odd attempt to defend him.)
Seriously comrade this must rank as the stupidest post I have ever seen here...and mate I've seen alot, particularly when seanT is bladdered and bragging about shagging some teenager or something...this post actually ranks much lower than that...
A slightly odd question: do we know if Hitler directly, by his own hand, kill anyone? Did he shoot or stab someone directly, as opposed to by the swipe of a pen or a verbal order?
(This just came up in conversation; it's not in any way an odd attempt to defend him.)
Seriously comrade this must rank as the stupidest post I have ever seen here...and mate I've seen alot, particularly when seanT is bladdered and bragging about shagging some teenager or something...this post actually ranks much lower than that...
Why is it a 'stupid' question?
It may be a pointless question, given the vast numbers who he killed indirectly, but I thought it was an interesting question, and I could not think of a case where he had - although I have not studied his history.
I stress I am not defending Hitler, denying the Holocaust, or saying he was anything other than an utterly evil psychopath who murdered millions.
A slightly odd question: do we know if Hitler directly, by his own hand, kill anyone? Did he shoot or stab someone directly, as opposed to by the swipe of a pen or a verbal order?
(This just came up in conversation; it's not in any way an odd attempt to defend him.)
Seriously comrade this must rank as the stupidest post I have ever seen here...and mate I've seen alot, particularly when seanT is bladdered and bragging about shagging some teenager or something...this post actually ranks much lower than that...
why?
so...you've just decided to make your post the stupidest ever...I thought Josias had reached the bottom of the barrel, I couldn't believe anything could go sillier...and then you stepped forward. So well done. You challenged the impossible.
A slightly odd question: do we know if Hitler directly, by his own hand, kill anyone? Did he shoot or stab someone directly, as opposed to by the swipe of a pen or a verbal order?
(This just came up in conversation; it's not in any way an odd attempt to defend him.)
Seriously comrade this must rank as the stupidest post I have ever seen here...and mate I've seen alot, particularly when seanT is bladdered and bragging about shagging some teenager or something...this post actually ranks much lower than that...
Seems like a reasonable, if unusual, question to me tbh.
A slightly odd question: do we know if Hitler directly, by his own hand, kill anyone? Did he shoot or stab someone directly, as opposed to by the swipe of a pen or a verbal order?
(This just came up in conversation; it's not in any way an odd attempt to defend him.)
Seriously comrade this must rank as the stupidest post I have ever seen here...and mate I've seen alot, particularly when seanT is bladdered and bragging about shagging some teenager or something...this post actually ranks much lower than that...
I stress I am not defending Hitler, denying the Holocaust, or saying he was anything other than an utterly evil psychopath who murdered millions.
A slightly odd question: do we know if Hitler directly, by his own hand, kill anyone? Did he shoot or stab someone directly, as opposed to by the swipe of a pen or a verbal order?
(This just came up in conversation; it's not in any way an odd attempt to defend him.)
Seriously comrade this must rank as the stupidest post I have ever seen here...and mate I've seen alot, particularly when seanT is bladdered and bragging about shagging some teenager or something...this post actually ranks much lower than that...
Why is it a 'stupid' question?
It may be a pointless question, given the vast numbers who he killed indirectly, but I thought it was an interesting question, and I could not think of a case where he had - although I have not studied his history.
I stress I am not defending Hitler, denying the Holocaust, or saying he was anything other than an utterly evil psychopath who murdered millions.
I cannot reply because there are certain topics just kind of out of bounds by the rules of any kind of common morality....
A slightly odd question: do we know if Hitler directly, by his own hand, kill anyone? Did he shoot or stab someone directly, as opposed to by the swipe of a pen or a verbal order?
(This just came up in conversation; it's not in any way an odd attempt to defend him.)
Seriously comrade this must rank as the stupidest post I have ever seen here...and mate I've seen alot, particularly when seanT is bladdered and bragging about shagging some teenager or something...this post actually ranks much lower than that...
Why is it a 'stupid' question?
It may be a pointless question, given the vast numbers who he killed indirectly, but I thought it was an interesting question, and I could not think of a case where he had - although I have not studied his history.
I stress I am not defending Hitler, denying the Holocaust, or saying he was anything other than an utterly evil psychopath who murdered millions.
Stalin was a fairly active armed robber, extortionist and organiser of assasinations pre 1917, as well as active in the Civil war, so probably did kill personally. Not sure about Mao.
A slightly odd question: do we know if Hitler directly, by his own hand, kill anyone? Did he shoot or stab someone directly, as opposed to by the swipe of a pen or a verbal order?
(This just came up in conversation; it's not in any way an odd attempt to defend him.)
Seriously comrade this must rank as the stupidest post I have ever seen here...and mate I've seen alot, particularly when seanT is bladdered and bragging about shagging some teenager or something...this post actually ranks much lower than that...
Why is it a 'stupid' question?
It may be a pointless question, given the vast numbers who he killed indirectly, but I thought it was an interesting question, and I could not think of a case where he had - although I have not studied his history.
I stress I am not defending Hitler, denying the Holocaust, or saying he was anything other than an utterly evil psychopath who murdered millions.
I cannot reply because there are certain topics just kind of out of bounds by the rules of any kind of common morality....
I fear you may have been imbibing a little too much this evening.
Does anyone have any idea when the House of Has-beens Lords amendments to the EU Withdrawal Bill will becoming back to the Commons? Has there been an announcement yet?
A slightly odd question: do we know if Hitler directly, by his own hand, kill anyone? Did he shoot or stab someone directly, as opposed to by the swipe of a pen or a verbal order?
(This just came up in conversation; it's not in any way an odd attempt to defend him.)
Seriously comrade this must rank as the stupidest post I have ever seen here...and mate I've seen alot, particularly when seanT is bladdered and bragging about shagging some teenager or something...this post actually ranks much lower than that...
Why is it a 'stupid' question?
It may be a pointless question, given the vast numbers who he killed indirectly, but I thought it was an interesting question, and I could not think of a case where he had - although I have not studied his history.
I stress I am not defending Hitler, denying the Holocaust, or saying he was anything other than an utterly evil psychopath who murdered millions.
I cannot reply because there are certain topics just kind of out of bounds by the rules of any kind of common morality....
Now I'm just seriously confused by what exactly you are complaining about. His post has raised some kind of moral issue for you? How? He's been perfectly clear he was in no way defending the evil little bastard, not that that was ever a possibility any rational person would have considered, so how does morality come into it in any way? What on earth are you even on about? It's immoral to ask if a perpetrator of great evil ever personally killed someone, even as they were undoubtedly responsible for the deaths of millions?
To take a less controversial example, one might muse if the Duke of Wellington ever personally killed anyone in battle.
You seem to be trying to position as some kind of great moral authority on a question which doesn't pose any moral issues, and that's just bonkers.
A slightly odd question: do we know if Hitler directly, by his own hand, kill anyone? Did he shoot or stab someone directly, as opposed to by the swipe of a pen or a verbal order?
(This just came up in conversation; it's not in any way an odd attempt to defend him.)
Seriously comrade this must rank as the stupidest post I have ever seen here...and mate I've seen alot, particularly when seanT is bladdered and bragging about shagging some teenager or something...this post actually ranks much lower than that...
I stress I am not defending Hitler, denying the Holocaust, or saying he was anything other than an utterly evil psychopath who murdered millions.
No one could possibly have thought you were.
Thanks. I was fearful I'd written something that could be massively misconstrued in a way I'd hate.
Looking at his war service, his regiment took heavy casualties at the First battle of Ypres, but after that he served as a regimental messenger. Whilst hazardous, this was not a role likely to kill anyone directly.
Does anyone have any idea when the House of Has-beens Lords amendments to the EU Withdrawal Bill will becoming back to the Commons? Has there been an announcement yet?
Just looking at the research and Richard Holmes puts deaths by artillery in world war 1 at 60%. However that's combat deaths and doesn't count death by disease. Disease killed millions during ww1.
I'd say deaths by rifleman was going to be incredibly low. If you didn't man a machine gun or load an artillery piece chances are you killed noone.
A slightly odd question: do we know if Hitler directly, by his own hand, kill anyone? Did he shoot or stab someone directly, as opposed to by the swipe of a pen or a verbal order?
(This just came up in conversation; it's not in any way an odd attempt to defend him.)
Seriously comrade this must rank as the stupidest post I have ever seen here...and mate I've seen alot, particularly when seanT is bladdered and bragging about shagging some teenager or something...this post actually ranks much lower than that...
I stress I am not defending Hitler, denying the Holocaust, or saying he was anything other than an utterly evil psychopath who murdered millions.
No one could possibly have thought you were.
Thanks. I was fearful I'd written something that could be massively misconstrued in a way I'd hate.
Does anyone have any idea when the House of Has-beens Lords amendments to the EU Withdrawal Bill will becoming back to the Commons? Has there been an announcement yet?
Corrected it for you
I think you'll find the HoL has corrected it for Tezza
Looking at his war service, his regiment took heavy casualties at the First battle of Ypres, but after that he served as a regimental messenger. Whilst hazardous, this was not a role likely to kill anyone directly.
Does anyone have any idea when the House of Has-beens Lords amendments to the EU Withdrawal Bill will becoming back to the Commons? Has there been an announcement yet?
Corrected it for you
I think you'll find the HoHas-Beens has corrected it for Tezza
Does anyone have any idea when the House of Has-beens Lords amendments to the EU Withdrawal Bill will becoming back to the Commons? Has there been an announcement yet?
Many people are fucking idiots. One can only hope they roughly balance out.
I remember before the second Iraq war being pretty anti-war, and being pushed largely to the pro-war side largely by the chorus of absolute idiots in the anti-war camp, drowning out any quite reasonable arguments against the war with utterly moronic ones.
Yes, in general I think huge demos bring out the contrary element - certainly I felt more inclined to ban fox-hunting and vote for the war because of all the people screaming insults (though I probably would have anyway). There was only one demo that did impress me and want to vote their way - a massive but utterly silent one, by I think the Tamils over Sri Lanka.
On the topic of killer pols, was Paddy Ashdown's trained killer thing based on any actual killing?
After his father's business collapsed, Ashdown passed the naval scholarship examination to pay for his school fees,[13] but left before taking A-levels and joined the Royal Marines in 1959,[12] serving until 1972[6] and retiring with the rank of captain. He served in Borneo during the Indonesia–Malaysia confrontation and the Persian Gulf,[5] before training as a Swimmer Canoeist in 1965, after which he joined the elite Special Boat Section and commanded a Section in the Far East.[6] He then went to Hong Kong in 1967 to undertake a full-time interpreter's course in Chinese,[13] and returned to Britain in 1970 when he was given command of a Royal Marine company in Belfast.[6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paddy_Ashdown
A slightly odd question: do we know if Hitler directly, by his own hand, kill anyone? Did he shoot or stab someone directly, as opposed to by the swipe of a pen or a verbal order?
(This just came up in conversation; it's not in any way an odd attempt to defend him.)
Seriously comrade this must rank as the stupidest post I have ever seen here...and mate I've seen alot, particularly when seanT is bladdered and bragging about shagging some teenager or something...this post actually ranks much lower than that...
why?
so...you've just decided to make your post the stupidest ever...I thought Josias had reached the bottom of the barrel, I couldn't believe anything could go sillier...and then you stepped forward. So well done. You challenged the impossible.
Well go on then, twatblanket, do you know the answer?
Rivera is not 'ultranationalist' but a liberal who just wants to keep Spain united
The 'nation' of Spain.
Rather odd that the 'liberal' leader of an opposition party should think the downfall of the Francoist leader of a corrupt, nationalist party is a tragedy.
That party won most votes and seats at the last general election and until the next one has the biggest mandate to lead a government.
Also your supporting calling Rivera 'ultranationalist' while being a supporter of the Scottish National Party is beyond satire!
Looking at his war service, his regiment took heavy casualties at the First battle of Ypres, but after that he served as a regimental messenger. Whilst hazardous, this was not a role likely to kill anyone directly.
Foxy...I don't want to be the authoritarian editorial voice here, but why are you engaging?
Does anyone have any idea when the House of Has-beens Lords amendments to the EU Withdrawal Bill will becoming back to the Commons? Has there been an announcement yet?
Corrected it for you
Most of the Lib Dem peers aren't even worthy of the name has beens - most are never weres!
Looking at his war service, his regiment took heavy casualties at the First battle of Ypres, but after that he served as a regimental messenger. Whilst hazardous, this was not a role likely to kill anyone directly.
Foxy...I don't want to be the authoritarian editorial voice here, but why are you engaging?
Probably because no one else can understand why a non morality based question is causing you such concern, therefore it is purely an academic point.
I expect as far as Farage is concerned these tariffs were imposed on the EU not the UK specifically so as soon as we Brexit the better
"... imposed on the EU..." Did Canada and Mexico join the EU when I wasn't looking?
Australia was exempted from the tariffs as was South Korea, it is entirely possible a post Brexit UK could join them, we know Trump has never been a fan of Mexico or the EU and Trudeau is too much of a left/liberal for Trump I expect
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As for 2022, I don't expect Cable or May to be leading their respective parties by then but the LDs will, quite rightly, look at what each party has to offer in terms of a programme of legislation before deciding what to do if the parliamentary arithmetic means no overall majority. You and the Conservative party are entitled to draw whatever inference you like from that and are quite entitled to maximise your own vote.
All I'll say is it was Cameron and May who respectively moved the Conservatives into partnership after failing to win majorities rather than opting to govern alone.
The point about 1974 is Heath COULD have voted down Wilson's Queen's Speech and triggered a fresh election but he chose not to and I was simply suggesting the pattern could be repeated in 2022. Having the numbers is one thing - having a willingness to use them is another.
As for Lewisham East, one of your party compatriots reminded me earlier the past is a foreign country so I'll leave that one with you.
When the gynophobic breast-barers do that, it's serious. They're saying "We're in distress, our brothers! Help us!"
Of course all they are is men who share an interest in Pythagorean geometry, architecture, and using ritual to convey moral teaching. And wearing hangmen's nooses. No harm to anyone.
*gets popcorn*
Odd system the Spanish one that if the No Confidence motion passes the outcome is not an early election but instead the Socialist leader becomes PM. Bizzare.
Swearing tomorrow at 16.00
As far as I can tell he’s implementing (or trying to implement) everything he stood for election on.
Deputy PM and Home Office: Matteo Salvini
Economy: Giovanni Tria (Lega)
Public Administration: Giulia Bongiorno (Lega).
Regional Affairs and local autonomies: Erika Stefani (Lega).
European Affairs: Paolo Savona
South: Barbara Lezzi (M5S).
Family and Disables: Lorenzo Fontana (Lega).
Foreign Affairs: Enzo Moavero Milanesi.
Justice: Alfonso Bonafede (M5S).
Defence:: Elisabetta Trenta (M5S).
Agricolture: Gian Marco Centinaio (Lega).
Infrastructure and Transport: Danilo Toninelli. (M5S).
Education: Marco Bussetti (Lega).
Culture: Alberto Bonisoli (M5S).
Health: Giulia Grillo (M5S).
Relationship with Parliament and Open Democracy: Riccardo Fraccaro (M5S)
Environment: Sergio Costa
Under Secretary to the Presidency: Giancarlo Giorgetti (Lega)
Compared to the rumored list, the difference is Toninelli
In a hung parliament no party can govern alone, it needs the support of enough MPs beyond its own ranks to ensure it can survive on a confidence and supply vote.
In 1974 there was a general election in October where again Heath aimed for a majority even if he did not achieve it.
The past shows clearly that the only party to have beaten the LDs in Lewisham East is the Tories, of course for every Tory who votes LD the chance of a Tory MP in the seat reduces accordingly.
Anyone remember getting the Mexicans to pay for the wall?
A slightly odd question: do we know if Hitler directly, by his own hand, kill anyone? Did he shoot or stab someone directly, as opposed to by the swipe of a pen or a verbal order?
(This just came up in conversation; it's not in any way an odd attempt to defend him.)
Never in doubt.
https://twitter.com/JaneyGodley/status/1002243524438478848
https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/985941991203790848
It is likely that Hitler didnt kill anyone, directly.
I remember before the second Iraq war being pretty anti-war, and being pushed largely to the pro-war side largely by the chorus of absolute idiots in the anti-war camp, drowning out any quite reasonable arguments against the war with utterly moronic ones.
It may be a pointless question, given the vast numbers who he killed indirectly, but I thought it was an interesting question, and I could not think of a case where he had - although I have not studied his history.
I stress I am not defending Hitler, denying the Holocaust, or saying he was anything other than an utterly evil psychopath who murdered millions.
To take a less controversial example, one might muse if the Duke of Wellington ever personally killed anyone in battle.
You seem to be trying to position as some kind of great moral authority on a question which doesn't pose any moral issues, and that's just bonkers. Ha!
Looking at his war service, his regiment took heavy casualties at the First battle of Ypres, but after that he served as a regimental messenger. Whilst hazardous, this was not a role likely to kill anyone directly.
I'd say deaths by rifleman was going to be incredibly low. If you didn't man a machine gun or load an artillery piece chances are you killed noone.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/31/trump-says-hell-pardon-conservative-filmmaker-dinesh-dsouza-615326
I wonder why.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paddy_Ashdown
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/9545118/Paddy-Ashdown-Ive-paddled-ashore-from-submarines.-I-know-how-it-feels.html
I suspect that Prince Harry probably has, bearing in mind that he flew combat air support in Afghanistan.
Will Ruth be giving a warm welcome to her ally, perhaps a wee cup of tea and some baking at Chez Davidson?
https://twitter.com/camusson/status/1002291078215667720
Expect a David Davis for next Tory leader thread tomorrow.
Presumably Scotland and London will be able to opt into the SEZ too?
Bring it on.