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After "Bollocks to Brexit", now Speaker Bercow has a sticker on his car saying "Don't blame me, I voted Remain" https://t.co/uA6sWWWmwA pic.twitter.com/h3Hy7ZyDLC

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  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,998
    First like Wenger in the Real betting.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,022
    tlg86 said:

    First like Wenger in the Real betting.

    Sam Allardyce for Real.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,874
    edited May 2018
    tlg86 said:

    First like Wenger in the Real betting.

    I'd have thought Poch more likely ? Would be nice for him to manage a big club.
  • William_HWilliam_H Posts: 346
    If he's using his Simpson's references correctly, that sticker is implying that Remain and Leave are essentially the same thing.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,022
    Pulpstar said:

    tlg86 said:

    First like Wenger in the Real betting.

    I'd have thought Poch more likely ? Would be nice for him to manage a big club.
    He's never won a trophy, so Spurs is about his level.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,874
    edited May 2018
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    tlg86 said:

    First like Wenger in the Real betting.

    Sam Allardyce for Real.
    80-1 :p

    On topic - Bercow probably won't go. Even though he should, but it shouldn't be about this if he does - rather his disgraceful behaviour toward his colleagues and juniors (Not MPs), even though it probably will be about this if he does go.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,940
    Anyone know how Rajoy is getting on ?
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487
    John Bercow.

    Trigger warning for the PB Tories.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,776
    edited May 2018
    F1: mildly surprised, but it seems hypersofts will be taken to Canada. Mercedes and Haas will not be pleased, probably.

    Edited extra bit: and the US has put up steel and aluminium tariffs:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44320221
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487
    Pulpstar said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    tlg86 said:

    First like Wenger in the Real betting.

    Sam Allardyce for Real.
    80-1 :p

    On topic - Bercow probably won't go. Even though he should, but it shouldn't be about this if he does - rather his disgraceful behaviour toward his colleagues and juniors (Not MPs), even though it probably will be about this if he does go.
    99% of people couldn't care less about Bercow, or the speakership in general.

    It is only on this forum that the obsession is rife.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,022
    https://twitter.com/JamesERothwell/status/1002177918662004737
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,874
    Anazina said:

    Pulpstar said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    tlg86 said:

    First like Wenger in the Real betting.

    Sam Allardyce for Real.
    80-1 :p

    On topic - Bercow probably won't go. Even though he should, but it shouldn't be about this if he does - rather his disgraceful behaviour toward his colleagues and juniors (Not MPs), even though it probably will be about this if he does go.
    99% of people couldn't care less about Bercow, or the speakership in general.

    It is only on this forum that the obsession is rife.
    well it is www.politicalbetting.com *cough*
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,668
    Morris_Dancer said:

    F1: mildly surprised, but it seems hypersofts will be taken to Canada. Mercedes and Haas will not be pleased, probably.

    Edited extra bit: and the US has put up steel and aluminium tariffs:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44320221

    The choice of tyres was made some time back, so it's not exactly a surprise. Mercedes chosen tyre allocation - made before Monaco - was extremely conservative (five sets of the Ultrasoft, compared with their rivals' three). Given the feeble life of the Hypersofts, that might stand them in good stead - in Montreal, unlike Monaco, overtaking is relatively easy, so there is no trundling around saving your rubber...

    As for the steel tariffs, defensive action by Europe is almost inevitable (20m tonnes of cheap Chinese steel will be looking for a new home...). Trade wars are in no one's interest, but unilaterally surrendering seems even more costly in the short term.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,368
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/JamesERothwell/status/1002177918662004737

    ‘No’ could be taken two ways. No I don’t want a ‘sensible Brexit compromise’ or No I don’t want Brexit at all!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,197
    https://order-order.com/2018/05/31/tory-london-mayoral-candidate-runners-and-riders/

    None of those will beat Khan.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,194
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/JamesERothwell/status/1002177918662004737

    Leading question. Who says a compromise is sensible? More likely a fudge between the worst of being in and the worst of being out.
  • ElliotElliot Posts: 1,516
    SandyRentool said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/JamesERothwell/status/1002177918662004737

    Leading question. Who says a compromise is sensible? More likely a fudge between the worst of being in and the worst of being out.
    Exactly. A soft Brexit pleases no one.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,097
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/JamesERothwell/status/1002177918662004737

    A voodoo poll with a seriously loaded question, these sort of things used to be frowned upon here...
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,776
    The EU is being somewhere between viciously malignant and thoroughly incompetent. What a shock.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvXOfq3AB8s
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,135
    edited May 2018
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    https://order-order.com/2018/05/31/tory-london-mayoral-candidate-runners-and-riders/

    None of those will beat Khan.

    Shaun Bailey should be nominated and ought to win. Not that he necessarily will, obvs.

    Edit: oh that upset BF - just took the 20s (19s) and the price went to 1.01!! :smile:
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,668
    Anazina said:

    Pulpstar said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    tlg86 said:

    First like Wenger in the Real betting.

    Sam Allardyce for Real.
    80-1 :p

    On topic - Bercow probably won't go. Even though he should, but it shouldn't be about this if he does - rather his disgraceful behaviour toward his colleagues and juniors (Not MPs), even though it probably will be about this if he does go.
    99% of people couldn't care less about Bercow, or the speakership in general.

    It is only on this forum that the obsession is rife.
    99% of people don't bet on politics.
    There's a market on this, and there is a significantly larger than zero chance that Bercow will go - and it has been front page news on a couple of occasions recently - so 'obsession' is a pretty loaded term.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,668
    Morris_Dancer said:

    The EU is being somewhere between viciously malignant and thoroughly incompetent....

    Sounds a bit like Mrs May's Home Office...
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,776
    Mr. B, I wonder how many stops there will be. If it's two either way, better to start on the hypers for optimal grid position.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,022
    Sounds like a terrible idea.

    Where am I going to get my tax minimisation strategy from?

    https://twitter.com/theredroar/status/1002168778963210240?s=21
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,368
    Nigelb said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    The EU is being somewhere between viciously malignant and thoroughly incompetent....

    Sounds a bit like Mrs May's Home Office...
    And, the case of the Home Office, both at the same time.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,022
    Hurrah.

    The United States has fired the opening shots in a trade war with three of its traditional allies after imposing tariffs on imported steel and aluminium from the European Union, Canada and Mexico.

    Wilbur Ross, Donald Trump’s commerce secretary, said the 25% duty on steel and the 10% duty on aluminium would be imposed from midnight.

    In a move that is likely to prompt retaliation from Brussels, Ross said talks with the EU had not shown enough progress for European steel and aluminium producers to continue to be exempted from the tariffs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/may/31/us-fires-opening-salvo-in-trade-war-with-eu-canada-and-mexico?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,368
    Just had a Guardian flash to the effect that the US has raised its tariffs on steel imported fromt he EU, Canada and Mexico.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    From John Bercow’s view, he’s annoying the right people. The headbangers already hate him. The risk to his position comes from MPs elsewhere in the House of Commons, many of whom will be happy to have a Speaker who is disposed to detailed criticism of this policy.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,097
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. B, I wonder how many stops there will be. If it's two either way, better to start on the hypers for optimal grid position.

    The hypersofts are awesome, much like the old qualifying tyres. Next job is to remove the fuel flow limits for the session, then we can have qualifying engines back too!

    Canada will probably be a marginal two-stopper if it’s dry and with no SC. Somewhat easier to overtake than at Monaco.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,776
    Mr. Sandpit, remove the fuel flow limit? But, think of the environment?!?!?!?!&*^%&!!?

    I wonder if Verstappen will say hello to the Wall of Champions.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Hurrah.

    The United States has fired the opening shots in a trade war with three of its traditional allies after imposing tariffs on imported steel and aluminium from the European Union, Canada and Mexico.

    Wilbur Ross, Donald Trump’s commerce secretary, said the 25% duty on steel and the 10% duty on aluminium would be imposed from midnight.

    In a move that is likely to prompt retaliation from Brussels, Ross said talks with the EU had not shown enough progress for European steel and aluminium producers to continue to be exempted from the tariffs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/may/31/us-fires-opening-salvo-in-trade-war-with-eu-canada-and-mexico?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    So there will be a boost for Uk metal exporters from next March ?
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Hurrah.

    The United States has fired the opening shots in a trade war with three of its traditional allies after imposing tariffs on imported steel and aluminium from the European Union, Canada and Mexico.

    Wilbur Ross, Donald Trump’s commerce secretary, said the 25% duty on steel and the 10% duty on aluminium would be imposed from midnight.

    In a move that is likely to prompt retaliation from Brussels, Ross said talks with the EU had not shown enough progress for European steel and aluminium producers to continue to be exempted from the tariffs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/may/31/us-fires-opening-salvo-in-trade-war-with-eu-canada-and-mexico?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    If we just insist on calling it ‘aluminium’ could we sneak it through?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,022
    TGOHF said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Hurrah.

    The United States has fired the opening shots in a trade war with three of its traditional allies after imposing tariffs on imported steel and aluminium from the European Union, Canada and Mexico.

    Wilbur Ross, Donald Trump’s commerce secretary, said the 25% duty on steel and the 10% duty on aluminium would be imposed from midnight.

    In a move that is likely to prompt retaliation from Brussels, Ross said talks with the EU had not shown enough progress for European steel and aluminium producers to continue to be exempted from the tariffs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/may/31/us-fires-opening-salvo-in-trade-war-with-eu-canada-and-mexico?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    So there will be a boost for Uk metal exporters from next March ?
    No. We’ll still get hit.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,076
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Hurrah.

    The United States has fired the opening shots in a trade war with three of its traditional allies after imposing tariffs on imported steel and aluminium from the European Union, Canada and Mexico.

    Wilbur Ross, Donald Trump’s commerce secretary, said the 25% duty on steel and the 10% duty on aluminium would be imposed from midnight.

    In a move that is likely to prompt retaliation from Brussels, Ross said talks with the EU had not shown enough progress for European steel and aluminium producers to continue to be exempted from the tariffs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/may/31/us-fires-opening-salvo-in-trade-war-with-eu-canada-and-mexico?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    Markets slump, says Telegraph live blog
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Seems like the EU is being equally as intransigent with the US as the UK

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/30/tariffs-shouldnt-stop-us-from-negotiating-wilbur-ross-tells-the-eu.html

    "U.S. Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross has called out the European Union for opposing trade negotiations at a time when China was willing to hold talks.

    "China are paying their tariffs," Ross told the panel at an economic development forum in Paris on Wednesday, in response to EU criticism of sweeping import tariffs the White House announced on its trade partners all over the world in March.

    "China hasn't used that as an excuse not to negotiate... It's only the EU that is insisting we can't negotiate if there are tariffs," he added."
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,076
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sounds like a terrible idea.

    Where am I going to get my tax minimisation strategy from?

    https://twitter.com/theredroar/status/1002168778963210240?s=21

    Sounds worse that a 'terrible idea'. It sounds terrifying similar to the mad ideas of people like pol pot, who arrested all the teachers, doctors etc etc. As they were the ones who had their own ideas.

  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    TGOHF said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Hurrah.

    The United States has fired the opening shots in a trade war with three of its traditional allies after imposing tariffs on imported steel and aluminium from the European Union, Canada and Mexico.

    Wilbur Ross, Donald Trump’s commerce secretary, said the 25% duty on steel and the 10% duty on aluminium would be imposed from midnight.

    In a move that is likely to prompt retaliation from Brussels, Ross said talks with the EU had not shown enough progress for European steel and aluminium producers to continue to be exempted from the tariffs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/may/31/us-fires-opening-salvo-in-trade-war-with-eu-canada-and-mexico?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    So there will be a boost for Uk metal exporters from next March ?
    No. We’ll still get hit.
    Until we do our own bespoke deal.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,668
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. B, I wonder how many stops there will be. If it's two either way, better to start on the hypers for optimal grid position.

    We'll have to wait for the race sims in practice to have any idea; though it's a much faster track than Monaco, Canada is pretty easy on the tyres.
    Mercedes ought to be able to get through Q2 on the Ultras, so I expect them to try to start on those.

    Overtaking is easy, so it will be very interesting to see how many laps the Hypers last without massively losing pace if drivers are pushing on them. Monaco gave us no idea of that, as they were running round about 5 seconds off true race pace to conserve them.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,194
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Hurrah.

    The United States has fired the opening shots in a trade war with three of its traditional allies after imposing tariffs on imported steel and aluminium from the European Union, Canada and Mexico.

    Wilbur Ross, Donald Trump’s commerce secretary, said the 25% duty on steel and the 10% duty on aluminium would be imposed from midnight.

    In a move that is likely to prompt retaliation from Brussels, Ross said talks with the EU had not shown enough progress for European steel and aluminium producers to continue to be exempted from the tariffs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/may/31/us-fires-opening-salvo-in-trade-war-with-eu-canada-and-mexico?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    Before putting a tariff on aluminium they should learn how to spell it.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    TGOHF said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    TGOHF said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Hurrah.

    The United States has fired the opening shots in a trade war with three of its traditional allies after imposing tariffs on imported steel and aluminium from the European Union, Canada and Mexico.

    Wilbur Ross, Donald Trump’s commerce secretary, said the 25% duty on steel and the 10% duty on aluminium would be imposed from midnight.

    In a move that is likely to prompt retaliation from Brussels, Ross said talks with the EU had not shown enough progress for European steel and aluminium producers to continue to be exempted from the tariffs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/may/31/us-fires-opening-salvo-in-trade-war-with-eu-canada-and-mexico?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    So there will be a boost for Uk metal exporters from next March ?
    No. We’ll still get hit.
    Until we do our own bespoke deal.
    Canada has an FTA with the USA. Why on earth do you think the UK wouldn't get the same treatment?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,022
    TGOHF said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    TGOHF said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Hurrah.

    The United States has fired the opening shots in a trade war with three of its traditional allies after imposing tariffs on imported steel and aluminium from the European Union, Canada and Mexico.

    Wilbur Ross, Donald Trump’s commerce secretary, said the 25% duty on steel and the 10% duty on aluminium would be imposed from midnight.

    In a move that is likely to prompt retaliation from Brussels, Ross said talks with the EU had not shown enough progress for European steel and aluminium producers to continue to be exempted from the tariffs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/may/31/us-fires-opening-salvo-in-trade-war-with-eu-canada-and-mexico?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    So there will be a boost for Uk metal exporters from next March ?
    No. We’ll still get hit.
    Until we do our own bespoke deal.
    Chlorinated chicken here we come.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,076
    williamglenn said:

    TGOHF said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    TGOHF said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Hurrah.

    The United States has fired the opening shots in a trade war with three of its traditional allies after imposing tariffs on imported steel and aluminium from the European Union, Canada and Mexico.

    Wilbur Ross, Donald Trump’s commerce secretary, said the 25% duty on steel and the 10% duty on aluminium would be imposed from midnight.

    In a move that is likely to prompt retaliation from Brussels, Ross said talks with the EU had not shown enough progress for European steel and aluminium producers to continue to be exempted from the tariffs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/may/31/us-fires-opening-salvo-in-trade-war-with-eu-canada-and-mexico?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    So there will be a boost for Uk metal exporters from next March ?
    No. We’ll still get hit.
    Until we do our own bespoke deal.
    Canada has an FTA with the USA. Why on earth do you think the UK wouldn't get the same treatment?
    Trump doesn't believe in free trade. He thinks trade and in fact, all deals, are zero sum games that he must win and to win the other guy must lose.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,874
    rottenborough said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Hurrah.

    The United States has fired the opening shots in a trade war with three of its traditional allies after imposing tariffs on imported steel and aluminium from the European Union, Canada and Mexico.

    Wilbur Ross, Donald Trump’s commerce secretary, said the 25% duty on steel and the 10% duty on aluminium would be imposed from midnight.

    In a move that is likely to prompt retaliation from Brussels, Ross said talks with the EU had not shown enough progress for European steel and aluminium producers to continue to be exempted from the tariffs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/may/31/us-fires-opening-salvo-in-trade-war-with-eu-canada-and-mexico?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    Markets slump, says Telegraph live blog
    The FTSE is up 12 pts ?
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,754
    Will be interesting to see how the EU responds.
    Do we go for tariffs which will inflict political pain on Trump?
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,180
    Alanbrooke said:

    Anyone know how Rajoy is getting on ?

    He looks certain to lose the vote of confidence - and the PSOE leader sanchez will take over as an even more minority PM promising elections 'in a few months'. I think he is being very foolish - if it back fires it could destroy PSOE completely - so not all bad. Beneficiaries liklely to be the centrist Ciudadanos. However, more southern Europe instability on the cards for the next few months.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    rkrkrk said:

    Will be interesting to see how the EU responds.
    Do we go for tariffs which will inflict political pain on Trump?

    "The United States had $686 billion in total (two ways) goods trade with the European Union during 2016, its largest Goods trade partner. Goods exports totaled $270 billion; Goods imports totaled $416 billion."

    Trump isn't May.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,736
    AlastairMeeks said:

    From John Bercow’s view, he’s annoying the right people. The headbangers already hate him. The risk to his position comes from MPs elsewhere in the House of Commons, many of whom will be happy to have a Speaker who is disposed to detailed criticism of this policy.

    And attacked by Guido too - the most widely-disliked (though widely-read) blog in Westminster for its indiscriminate bile. Yes, yes, Speakers are supposed to be impartial, but having some good enemies is always useful in politics.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,378
    rottenborough said:

    williamglenn said:

    TGOHF said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    TGOHF said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Hurrah.

    The United States has fired the opening shots in a trade war with three of its traditional allies after imposing tariffs on imported steel and aluminium from the European Union, Canada and Mexico.

    Wilbur Ross, Donald Trump’s commerce secretary, said the 25% duty on steel and the 10% duty on aluminium would be imposed from midnight.

    In a move that is likely to prompt retaliation from Brussels, Ross said talks with the EU had not shown enough progress for European steel and aluminium producers to continue to be exempted from the tariffs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/may/31/us-fires-opening-salvo-in-trade-war-with-eu-canada-and-mexico?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    So there will be a boost for Uk metal exporters from next March ?
    No. We’ll still get hit.
    Until we do our own bespoke deal.
    Canada has an FTA with the USA. Why on earth do you think the UK wouldn't get the same treatment?
    Trump doesn't believe in free trade. He thinks trade and in fact, all deals, are zero sum games that he must win and to win the other guy must lose.
    In the modern era of trade he's more right than wrong.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,097
    edited May 2018
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Sandpit, remove the fuel flow limit? But, think of the environment?!?!?!?!&*^%&!!?

    I wonder if Verstappen will say hello to the Wall of Champions.

    Nah, that wall is for champions, Verstappen won’t be eligible to hit it for a few years yet.

    I remember how much I cheered back in 1999 when one M Schumacher binned it on the last chicane and went sliding down the wall Indycar style.
  • surbysurby Posts: 1,227
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    tlg86 said:

    First like Wenger in the Real betting.

    Sam Allardyce for Real.
    Oh! C'mon! It has to be Pardew. He charges £2m to win one game.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,668
    edited May 2018
    Sandpit said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Sandpit, remove the fuel flow limit? But, think of the environment?!?!?!?!&*^%&!!?

    I wonder if Verstappen will say hello to the Wall of Champions.

    Nah, that wall is for champions, Verstappen won’t be eligible to hit it for a few years yet.

    I remember how much I cheered back in 1999 when one M Schumacher binned it on the last chicane and went sliding down the wall Indycar style.
    Utterly childish...


    ... and I remember doing exactly the same.
    :smile:

    (edit)
    As for strategies, I'm thinking Mercedes one stop, and Ferrari/Red Bull two, which would make things very interesting.

    Teams might even split strategies if the alternatives are close enough to each other.
  • surbysurby Posts: 1,227
    NickPalmer said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    From John Bercow’s view, he’s annoying the right people. The headbangers already hate him. The risk to his position comes from MPs elsewhere in the House of Commons, many of whom will be happy to have a Speaker who is disposed to detailed criticism of this policy.

    And attacked by Guido too - the most widely-disliked (though widely-read) blog in Westminster for its indiscriminate bile. Yes, yes, Speakers are supposed to be impartial, but having some good enemies is always useful in politics.
    Virtually the entire opposition minus the neo-cons from Northern Ireland will vote for Bercow. I am sure 20 or 30 Tories also will.
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    edited May 2018
    Bercow's Buckingham constituents would appreciate it if he had a NO 2 HS2 sticker on his car.

    And spoke and voted against HS2 in Parliament.
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    Pulpstar said:

    rottenborough said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Hurrah.

    The United States has fired the opening shots in a trade war with three of its traditional allies after imposing tariffs on imported steel and aluminium from the European Union, Canada and Mexico.

    Wilbur Ross, Donald Trump’s commerce secretary, said the 25% duty on steel and the 10% duty on aluminium would be imposed from midnight.

    In a move that is likely to prompt retaliation from Brussels, Ross said talks with the EU had not shown enough progress for European steel and aluminium producers to continue to be exempted from the tariffs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/may/31/us-fires-opening-salvo-in-trade-war-with-eu-canada-and-mexico?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    Markets slump, says Telegraph live blog
    The FTSE is up 12 pts ?
    The Telegraph is taliking about Euro markets not us free Brexiteers.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,776
    It's some way off, but worth keeping an eye on the Canadian weather. Mind you, the berks in charge changed the rules, so if we had a 2011 type scenario now, it'd be Vettel rather than Button who won (a 4 hour absolute time limit, including red flag breaks).
  • anothernickanothernick Posts: 3,591
    surby said:

    NickPalmer said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    From John Bercow’s view, he’s annoying the right people. The headbangers already hate him. The risk to his position comes from MPs elsewhere in the House of Commons, many of whom will be happy to have a Speaker who is disposed to detailed criticism of this policy.

    And attacked by Guido too - the most widely-disliked (though widely-read) blog in Westminster for its indiscriminate bile. Yes, yes, Speakers are supposed to be impartial, but having some good enemies is always useful in politics.
    Virtually the entire opposition minus the neo-cons from Northern Ireland will vote for Bercow. I am sure 20 or 30 Tories also will.
    The campaign against him is becoming counter-productive. Allegations of bullying staff etc are now viewed in the context of tory headbangers vs everyone else. And no oppositon MPs will associate themselves with a campaign run by the headbangers.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,097
    edited May 2018
    surby said:

    NickPalmer said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    From John Bercow’s view, he’s annoying the right people. The headbangers already hate him. The risk to his position comes from MPs elsewhere in the House of Commons, many of whom will be happy to have a Speaker who is disposed to detailed criticism of this policy.

    And attacked by Guido too - the most widely-disliked (though widely-read) blog in Westminster for its indiscriminate bile. Yes, yes, Speakers are supposed to be impartial, but having some good enemies is always useful in politics.
    Virtually the entire opposition minus the neo-cons from Northern Ireland will vote for Bercow. I am sure 20 or 30 Tories also will.
    It’s not a case of winning a vote of confidence by a single vote, it’s a case of maintaining the confidence of the whole House - and more importantly to be seen to be impartial as the referee rather than a participant.

    It’s deliberately and needlessly provocative, and he’s doing it to wind up people who know he’s completely unsackable. A few more of the moderate MPs on both sides are losing their respect for him with silly stunts like this. Meanwhile it’s serving as a useful distraction to the quite serious allegations against him relating to junior members of staff.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,357
    Elliot said:

    SandyRentool said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/JamesERothwell/status/1002177918662004737

    Leading question. Who says a compromise is sensible? More likely a fudge between the worst of being in and the worst of being out.
    Exactly. A soft Brexit pleases no one.
    Actually, a soft Brexit will be fine with 80%+ of the population. it just won't please anyone who really cares about the EU.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,378
    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Sandpit, remove the fuel flow limit? But, think of the environment?!?!?!?!&*^%&!!?

    I wonder if Verstappen will say hello to the Wall of Champions.

    Nah, that wall is for champions, Verstappen won’t be eligible to hit it for a few years yet.

    I remember how much I cheered back in 1999 when one M Schumacher binned it on the last chicane and went sliding down the wall Indycar style.
    Utterly childish...


    ... and I remember doing exactly the same.
    :smile:

    (edit)
    As for strategies, I'm thinking Mercedes one stop, and Ferrari/Red Bull two, which would make things very interesting.

    Teams might even split strategies if the alternatives are close enough to each other.
    One stoping on a track where it's so easy to overtake will be a risk.

    My guess is that Mercedes/Ferrari go H/S/H and RB go H/H/U. I don't think any of the middle runners will pose a threat. Even if Renault bring a decent engine upgrade, they and McLaren are too far behind.
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    tlg86 said:

    First like Wenger in the Real betting.

    Zidane has won the European championship three times in a row managing Real Madrid.

    Whoever follows him could never do as well. Plus they will inherit an aging Real team. Step away Mr Wenger.

    Sam Allardyce has always said he would only get a top job if his name was pronounced Allardiche.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    david_herdson said:

    Elliot said:

    SandyRentool said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/JamesERothwell/status/1002177918662004737

    Leading question. Who says a compromise is sensible? More likely a fudge between the worst of being in and the worst of being out.
    Exactly. A soft Brexit pleases no one.
    Actually, a soft Brexit will be fine with 80%+ of the population. it just won't please anyone who really cares about the EU.
    A Brexit which none of the people who care about the issue accept cannot ever resolve matters. It would just ensure the issue remained open for years longer.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,874
    Conte seems to be back as favourite for the Italian PM job. Anyone have a clue on this market :) ?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    O/T: French Open is on ITV4.
  • anothernickanothernick Posts: 3,591
    Sandpit said:

    surby said:

    NickPalmer said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    From John Bercow’s view, he’s annoying the right people. The headbangers already hate him. The risk to his position comes from MPs elsewhere in the House of Commons, many of whom will be happy to have a Speaker who is disposed to detailed criticism of this policy.

    And attacked by Guido too - the most widely-disliked (though widely-read) blog in Westminster for its indiscriminate bile. Yes, yes, Speakers are supposed to be impartial, but having some good enemies is always useful in politics.
    Virtually the entire opposition minus the neo-cons from Northern Ireland will vote for Bercow. I am sure 20 or 30 Tories also will.
    It’s not a case of winning a vote of confidence by a single vote, it’s a case of maintaining the confidence of the whole House - and more importantly to be seen to be impartial as the referee rather than a participant.

    It’s deliberately and needlessly provocative, and he’s doing it to wind up people who know he’s completely unsackable. A few more of the moderate MPs on both sides are losing their respect for him with silly stunts like this. Meanwhile it’s serving as a useful distraction to the quite serious allegations against him relating to junior members of staff.
    Which moderate MPs do you have in mind?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Headingley Test Match:

    England 1.64
    Pakistan 4.6
    Draw 5.7

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/cricket/market/1.144271625
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487
    Pulpstar said:

    Anazina said:

    Pulpstar said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    tlg86 said:

    First like Wenger in the Real betting.

    Sam Allardyce for Real.
    80-1 :p

    On topic - Bercow probably won't go. Even though he should, but it shouldn't be about this if he does - rather his disgraceful behaviour toward his colleagues and juniors (Not MPs), even though it probably will be about this if he does go.
    99% of people couldn't care less about Bercow, or the speakership in general.

    It is only on this forum that the obsession is rife.
    well it is www.politicalbetting.com *cough*
    Indeed, but of all the political matters to concern oneself with this trivial issue attracts an inordinate amount of attention.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    williamglenn said:

    david_herdson said:

    Elliot said:

    SandyRentool said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/JamesERothwell/status/1002177918662004737

    Leading question. Who says a compromise is sensible? More likely a fudge between the worst of being in and the worst of being out.
    Exactly. A soft Brexit pleases no one.
    Actually, a soft Brexit will be fine with 80%+ of the population. it just won't please anyone who really cares about the EU.
    A Brexit which none of the people who care about the issue accept cannot ever resolve matters. It would just ensure the issue remained open for years longer.
    Nah - needs to end - Uk politicians will need to own their own problems.
  • RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223
    Do we know when the Withdrawal Bill amendment votes will be held?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,097
    AndyJS said:

    Headingley Test Match:

    England 1.64
    Pakistan 4.6
    Draw 5.7

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/cricket/market/1.144271625

    Surely distorted by the fact that a lot of people have no interest in betting on any matches involving Pakistan.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    AndyJS said:

    Headingley Test Match:

    England 1.64
    Pakistan 4.6
    Draw 5.7

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/cricket/market/1.144271625

    Free money on Pakistan - England are holed below the waterline. Only risk is fixing.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    The Cathy Newman / Jordan Peterson interview has reached 10 million views.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMcjxSThD54
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,776
    Mr. JS, this is a witty satire version of the interview:
    https://twitter.com/LaloDagach/status/971448954427727872
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,197
    Sandpit said:

    AndyJS said:

    Headingley Test Match:

    England 1.64
    Pakistan 4.6
    Draw 5.7

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/cricket/market/1.144271625

    Surely distorted by the fact that a lot of people have no interest in betting on any matches involving Pakistan.
    Why did you make of the al-jareeza investigation that aired the other day?
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    TGOHF said:

    AndyJS said:

    Headingley Test Match:

    England 1.64
    Pakistan 4.6
    Draw 5.7

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/cricket/market/1.144271625

    Free money on Pakistan - England are holed below the waterline. Only risk is fixing.
    Ramadan?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,022
    https://twitter.com/bbcjamescook/status/1002199849389838337?s=21
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,097
    anothernick said:

    Sandpit said:

    surby said:

    NickPalmer said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    From John Bercow’s view, he’s annoying the right people. The headbangers already hate him. The risk to his position comes from MPs elsewhere in the House of Commons, many of whom will be happy to have a Speaker who is disposed to detailed criticism of this policy.

    And attacked by Guido too - the most widely-disliked (though widely-read) blog in Westminster for its indiscriminate bile. Yes, yes, Speakers are supposed to be impartial, but having some good enemies is always useful in politics.
    Virtually the entire opposition minus the neo-cons from Northern Ireland will vote for Bercow. I am sure 20 or 30 Tories also will.
    It’s not a case of winning a vote of confidence by a single vote, it’s a case of maintaining the confidence of the whole House - and more importantly to be seen to be impartial as the referee rather than a participant.

    It’s deliberately and needlessly provocative, and he’s doing it to wind up people who know he’s completely unsackable. A few more of the moderate MPs on both sides are losing their respect for him with silly stunts like this. Meanwhile it’s serving as a useful distraction to the quite serious allegations against him relating to junior members of staff.
    Which moderate MPs do you have in mind?
    Those who wish to see an impartial referee as some of the most critical legislation in decades winds its way through the Commons.
  • FenmanFenman Posts: 1,047
    williamglenn said:

    david_herdson said:

    Elliot said:

    SandyRentool said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/JamesERothwell/status/1002177918662004737

    Leading question. Who says a compromise is sensible? More likely a fudge between the worst of being in and the worst of being out.
    Exactly. A soft Brexit pleases no one.
    Actually, a soft Brexit will be fine with 80%+ of the population. it just won't please anyone who really cares about the EU.
    A Brexit which none of the people who care about the issue accept cannot ever resolve matters. It would just ensure the issue remained open for years longer.
    And Brexycrite Lord Lawson has just announced that he's applying for French residency
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    TGOHF said:

    AndyJS said:

    Headingley Test Match:

    England 1.64
    Pakistan 4.6
    Draw 5.7

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/cricket/market/1.144271625

    Free money on Pakistan - England are holed below the waterline. Only risk is fixing.
    What do you think explains those odds? They don't make sense to me after Lords.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,097
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Sandpit said:

    AndyJS said:

    Headingley Test Match:

    England 1.64
    Pakistan 4.6
    Draw 5.7

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/cricket/market/1.144271625

    Surely distorted by the fact that a lot of people have no interest in betting on any matches involving Pakistan.
    Why did you make of the al-jareeza investigation that aired the other day?
    Not seen it yet. Online anywhere?
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,357
    williamglenn said:

    david_herdson said:

    Elliot said:

    SandyRentool said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/JamesERothwell/status/1002177918662004737

    Leading question. Who says a compromise is sensible? More likely a fudge between the worst of being in and the worst of being out.
    Exactly. A soft Brexit pleases no one.
    Actually, a soft Brexit will be fine with 80%+ of the population. it just won't please anyone who really cares about the EU.
    A Brexit which none of the people who care about the issue accept cannot ever resolve matters. It would just ensure the issue remained open for years longer.
    Not really. Unless one of the groups can capture one of the main parties *and* that party then gets elected (quite difficult if it's perceived as run by zealots and obsessives), or unless they can somehow bring about enough external pressure for them to extract a new vote (because we won't be rejoining without a referendum first), chances are that the Ultras on either side will cancel each other out.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,197
    edited May 2018
    Sandpit said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Sandpit said:

    AndyJS said:

    Headingley Test Match:

    England 1.64
    Pakistan 4.6
    Draw 5.7

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/cricket/market/1.144271625

    Surely distorted by the fact that a lot of people have no interest in betting on any matches involving Pakistan.
    Why did you make of the al-jareeza investigation that aired the other day?
    Not seen it yet. Online anywhere?
    It’s on their YouTube channel.

    https://youtu.be/uYlk4izYVmw
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,668
    edited May 2018
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/bbcjamescook/status/1002199849389838337?s=21

    19 indictments and counting from the Mueller investigation...

    But what do you expect from a grifter ?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,022
    DecrepitJohnL said:

    TGOHF said:

    AndyJS said:

    Headingley Test Match:

    England 1.64
    Pakistan 4.6
    Draw 5.7

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/cricket/market/1.144271625

    Free money on Pakistan - England are holed below the waterline. Only risk is fixing.
    Ramadan?
    Was Ramadan last week, didn’t stop England getting pummelled.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,076
    Fenman said:

    williamglenn said:

    david_herdson said:

    Elliot said:

    SandyRentool said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/JamesERothwell/status/1002177918662004737

    Leading question. Who says a compromise is sensible? More likely a fudge between the worst of being in and the worst of being out.
    Exactly. A soft Brexit pleases no one.
    Actually, a soft Brexit will be fine with 80%+ of the population. it just won't please anyone who really cares about the EU.
    A Brexit which none of the people who care about the issue accept cannot ever resolve matters. It would just ensure the issue remained open for years longer.
    And Brexycrite Lord Lawson has just announced that he's applying for French residency
    :lol:

    He'll be telling us next that he's put all his money into carbon capture.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    TGOHF said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    TGOHF said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Hurrah.

    The United States has fired the opening shots in a trade war with three of its traditional allies after imposing tariffs on imported steel and aluminium from the European Union, Canada and Mexico.

    Wilbur Ross, Donald Trump’s commerce secretary, said the 25% duty on steel and the 10% duty on aluminium would be imposed from midnight.

    In a move that is likely to prompt retaliation from Brussels, Ross said talks with the EU had not shown enough progress for European steel and aluminium producers to continue to be exempted from the tariffs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/may/31/us-fires-opening-salvo-in-trade-war-with-eu-canada-and-mexico?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    So there will be a boost for Uk metal exporters from next March ?
    No. We’ll still get hit.
    Until we do our own bespoke deal.
    https://twitter.com/AlexInAir/status/1002197880612978688
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    Quite frankly you can’t see Lindsay Hoyle, Bercow’s likely replacement, pulling shenanigans like this.

    Quite - made a refreshing change when chairing PMQs - prefers the sound of MPs voices to his own.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,668
    MaxPB said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Sandpit, remove the fuel flow limit? But, think of the environment?!?!?!?!&*^%&!!?

    I wonder if Verstappen will say hello to the Wall of Champions.

    Nah, that wall is for champions, Verstappen won’t be eligible to hit it for a few years yet.

    I remember how much I cheered back in 1999 when one M Schumacher binned it on the last chicane and went sliding down the wall Indycar style.
    Utterly childish...


    ... and I remember doing exactly the same.
    :smile:

    (edit)
    As for strategies, I'm thinking Mercedes one stop, and Ferrari/Red Bull two, which would make things very interesting.

    Teams might even split strategies if the alternatives are close enough to each other.
    One stoping on a track where it's so easy to overtake will be a risk.

    My guess is that Mercedes/Ferrari go H/S/H and RB go H/H/U. I don't think any of the middle runners will pose a threat. Even if Renault bring a decent engine upgrade, they and McLaren are too far behind.
    We'll see. As I said, it depends on what they see in practice, but Montreal is a very low wear track, so it's possible their theoretical best strategy is one stop. Pirelli's intention was to produce a set of options which would make both strategies viable; this might just be the first race where that actually works out.
    Though I'm not holding my breath...
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,368
    AndyJS said:

    TGOHF said:

    AndyJS said:

    Headingley Test Match:

    England 1.64
    Pakistan 4.6
    Draw 5.7

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/cricket/market/1.144271625

    Free money on Pakistan - England are holed below the waterline. Only risk is fixing.
    What do you think explains those odds? They don't make sense to me after Lords.
    Given the state of the Headingley pitch....... has the drainage been sorted out yet?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,097
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Sandpit said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Sandpit said:

    AndyJS said:

    Headingley Test Match:

    England 1.64
    Pakistan 4.6
    Draw 5.7

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/cricket/market/1.144271625

    Surely distorted by the fact that a lot of people have no interest in betting on any matches involving Pakistan.
    Why did you make of the al-jareeza investigation that aired the other day?
    Not seen it yet. Online anywhere?
    It’s on their YouTube channel.
    ttps://youtu.be/uYlk4izYVmw
    Shukran.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,776
    Mr. B, indeed but worth remembering one race (forget when... 2008?) at Canada had the tyres wearing out really rapidly. It was the reason the idiots in charge decided Pirelli should make crumbly tyres because that Canadian race was really exciting due to all the pit stops.

    Except when everybody knows the tyres are crumbly they just drive in the most efficient way possible. So, cars and drivers aren't pushed and there's much less excitement (the exemplar of this being being the last race in Monaco).
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,874
    It is properly muggy here in Sheffield, so I'd imagine it would be similiar up in Leeds. Could tip it down tommorow or be a wicket festival with what I assume will be very overcast skies.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,984
    David_Evershed said:

    The Telegraph is taliking about Euro markets not us free Brexiteers.

    FTSE 100 down 35 points and the Dow off nearly 200 so hardly a "slump".

  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Pulpstar said:

    It is properly muggy here in Sheffield, so I'd imagine it would be similiar up in Leeds. Could tip it down tommorow or be a wicket festival with what I assume will be very overcast skies.

    Mist is forecast for tomorrow morning at Headingley.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,776
    Mr. Pulpstar, fair bit of sun, but very humid and it's starting to cloud over again. (Not actually in Leeds, but quite close).
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,368
    O/t but there’s a discussion on a Guardian website about pronounciation (and life) in Yorkshire and someone, anonymous, has come up with this gem:

    'If you meet a vegan from Yorkshire, which do they tell you about first?'
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,180
    Two postal votes received promptly today in SE Spain - completed and posted for the Tory in Lewisham East. Congratulations to Lewisham council fo their efficiency !
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,940
    Rajoy looking like toast

    https://politica.elpais.com/politica/2018/05/31/actualidad/1527743879_094425.html
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,368
    Pulpstar said:

    It is properly muggy here in Sheffield, so I'd imagine it would be similiar up in Leeds. Could tip it down tommorow or be a wicket festival with what I assume will be very overcast skies.

    Win toss and bowl first I would expect.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    https://twitter.com/leonardocarella/status/1002207878470651915
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,940
    Looks like Italy could have a government

    www.lastampa.it/2018/05/31/italia/lega-e-ms-trovano-laccordo-su-savona-EBGNJvCBpdffpQALpOH5pI/pagina.html

    Lega and 5* propose new finance minister and move anti EU professor to minister for EU
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