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Shadsy.OchEye said:Out of curiosity, who's won anything on the Next Cabinet Member to leave betting book?
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She could have got rid of the Party Chairperson and put Esther into that role surely?CarlottaVance said:
Agree - everyone calling for a wider reshuffle would be denouncing her for an idiot for not waiting if another minister, or two, quits in the next couple of weeks......Big_G_NorthWales said:
Holding position in my opinion.JonathanD said:Ludicrous reshuffle if that's it.
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A friend has just been mugged and robbed in Bergen, Norway of all places. Sorry to report it was by a recent arrival to the country.david_herdson said:
Anyone who survived three years in Little Horton has my respect. Only place I've ever been mugged and robbed.Tykejohnno said:
University of bradford,not all bad - or is it ;-)TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Ahh, memories...GIN1138 said:MarqueeMark said:
Has to be said, that is not a great photo. Makes him look like a deputy funeral undertaker from a small Norfolk town....CarlottaVance said:
It's not quite as bad as David Miliband with the banana but...
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Maybe not. If the point is to have a Chief Whip who is going to be seen to be above the 'hardline' tactics that have been in use in the past, then it has to be a woman, and one that is rather more telegenic and would appear to have soft edges might be a good choice.TheScreamingEagles said:
Waste of talent.CarlottaVance said:
The other shoe is about to drop, Momentum/Labour are about to have their collar felt. It's not a bit of touchy feely, it's Rape and Sexual Assault that is being alleged (Bex & John Mann allegation) with the party machine fully aware and leaning on women not to pursue claims.0 -
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So the man who knows about all the dirt recommends to the PM that he is the only one clean enough to replace Fallon.
I'm sure Ed Miliband enjoyed his bacon butty this morning.
We might have to wait for the Sunday papers for the next resignation.0 -
CarlottaVance said:Sandpit said:
Gav does have a bit of a David Miliband vibe about him doesn't he?
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Only place I've ever been mugged was Brussels - reporting it to the police cheered me up no end 'Oh yes, someone was murdered there last week'Norm said:
A friend has just been mugged and robbed in Bergen, Norway of all places. Sorry to report it was by a recent arrival to the country.david_herdson said:
Anyone who survived three years in Little Horton has my respect. Only place I've ever been mugged and robbed.Tykejohnno said:
University of bradford,not all bad - or is it ;-)TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
The whole country was mugged in BrusselsCarlottaVance said:
Only place I've ever been mugged was Brussels - reporting it to the police cheered me up no end 'Oh yes, someone was murdered there last week'Norm said:
A friend has just been mugged and robbed in Bergen, Norway of all places. Sorry to report it was by a recent arrival to the country.david_herdson said:
Anyone who survived three years in Little Horton has my respect. Only place I've ever been mugged and robbed.Tykejohnno said:
University of bradford,not all bad - or is it ;-)TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Seems to be some negative mutterings from backbenchers on this reshuffle.0
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Can't think why.rottenborough said:Seems to be some negative mutterings from backbenchers on this reshuffle.
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What time is the next reshuffle?0
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Well that's a surprise.
However, I'm not at all confident that this is the end of the gropegate fallout. The distressing fact of the matter is the government is falling apart, and the PM is not really in a position to do much about it, even if she were temperamentally suited to do so. Unfortunately she isn't, she'll continue to react on this and other issues by one-off decisions to deal with the immediate problem but without any over-reaching strategy or attempt to seize the initiative.0 -
He is one of those people, similar to Dan Jarvis on the Lab side, onto which people project hopes and expectations in the absence of anyone who has any real substance.Dura_Ace said:
Why is RS the vessel into which all tory hopes and dreams are poured? What's so great about him?rottenborough said:
A bloody good question.FrancisUrquhart said:
What does Rory the tory have to do to get a proper job?Slackbladder said:Tom Newton DunnVERIFIED ACCOUNT @tnewtondunn 1 min1 minute ago
Breaking: New Defence Secretary is Gavin Williamson - the Chief Whip! Wow.
Meh, May plays it timid and safe
Up close, of course, these people simply don't have it. Yet.
Why, you ask? His (and DJ's) profile is such that he ticks a lot of boxes. I fear for RS he may look a little Robin Cook-ish to be PM.0 -
Don't forget, DD created the role, and then appointed himself Brexit Secretary.rottenborough said:Pear shaped already:
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/9260421863613112320 -
Same time tomorrow?rottenborough said:What time is the next reshuffle?
I would say may must he confident that no other minster is likely to be in trouble, but this is may we are talking about.0 -
Sour grapes for brunch ?JohnO said:
Can't think why.rottenborough said:Seems to be some negative mutterings from backbenchers on this reshuffle.
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George Eaton profile of Williamson:
https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/observations/2017/07/gavin-williamson-cunning-tory-chief-whip-tarantula-his-desk0 -
When should they get her out?Richard_Nabavi said:Well that's a surprise.
However, I'm not at all confident that this is the end of the gropegate fallout. The distressing fact of the matter is the government is falling apart, and the PM is not really in a position to do much about it, even if she were temperamentally suited to do so. Unfortunately she isn't, she'll continue to react on this and other issues by one-off decisions to deal with the immediate problem but without any over-reaching strategy or attempt to seize the initiative.0 -
For the same reason those who remain on the back benches always complain about ministerial reshuffles!rottenborough said:Seems to be some negative mutterings from backbenchers on this reshuffle.
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Is that it ? A sex scandal prompts a surprise resignation and then the Chief Whip appoints himself to the vacancy ? Very Frank Underwood. Is May really so weak ?0
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Yes?YellowSubmarine said:Is that it ? A sex scandal prompts a surprise resignation and then the Chief Whip appoints himself to the vacancy ? Very Frank Underwood. Is May really so weak ?
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https://twitter.com/Peston/status/926047500808704001GIN1138 said:
When should they get her out?Richard_Nabavi said:Well that's a surprise.
However, I'm not at all confident that this is the end of the gropegate fallout. The distressing fact of the matter is the government is falling apart, and the PM is not really in a position to do much about it, even if she were temperamentally suited to do so. Unfortunately she isn't, she'll continue to react on this and other issues by one-off decisions to deal with the immediate problem but without any over-reaching strategy or attempt to seize the initiative.0 -
So Mrs May has lost you and JohnO today.Richard_Nabavi said:Well that's a surprise.
However, I'm not at all confident that this is the end of the gropegate fallout. The distressing fact of the matter is the government is falling apart, and the PM is not really in a position to do much about it, even if she were temperamentally suited to do so. Unfortunately she isn't, she'll continue to react on this and other issues by one-off decisions to deal with the immediate problem but without any over-reaching strategy or attempt to seize the initiative.
She’s doomed.0 -
Rory's back story is quite incredible and there isn't any leading tories with his experience / knowledge on one of the most defining issues at the present time. That doesnt mean PM material, but a minister with day to day impact on tackking islamic extremism seems a no brainier.TOPPING said:
He is one of those people, similar to Dan Jarvis on the Lab side, onto which people project hopes and expectations in the absence of anyone who has any real substance.Dura_Ace said:
Why is RS the vessel into which all tory hopes and dreams are poured? What's so great about him?rottenborough said:
A bloody good question.FrancisUrquhart said:
What does Rory the tory have to do to get a proper job?Slackbladder said:Tom Newton DunnVERIFIED ACCOUNT @tnewtondunn 1 min1 minute ago
Breaking: New Defence Secretary is Gavin Williamson - the Chief Whip! Wow.
Meh, May plays it timid and safe
Up close, of course, these people simply don't have it. Yet.
Why, you ask? His (and DJ's) profile is such that he ticks a lot of boxes. I fear for RS he may look a little Robin Cook-ish to be PM.0 -
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Yup, dismal desultory drift, drift, drift to certain oblivion and PM Corbyn.Richard_Nabavi said:Well that's a surprise.
However, I'm not at all confident that this is the end of the gropegate fallout. The distressing fact of the matter is the government is falling apart, and the PM is not really in a position to do much about it, even if she were temperamentally suited to do so. Unfortunately she isn't, she'll continue to react on this and other issues by one-off decisions to deal with the immediate problem but without any over-reaching strategy or attempt to seize the initiative.0 -
Precisely.FrancisUrquhart said:
Rory's back story is quite incredible and there isn't any leading tories with his experience / knowledge on one of the most defining issues at the present time. That doesnt mean PM material, but a minister with day to day impact on tackking islamic extremism seems a no brainier.TOPPING said:
He is one of those people, similar to Dan Jarvis on the Lab side, onto which people project hopes and expectations in the absence of anyone who has any real substance.Dura_Ace said:
Why is RS the vessel into which all tory hopes and dreams are poured? What's so great about him?rottenborough said:
A bloody good question.FrancisUrquhart said:
What does Rory the tory have to do to get a proper job?Slackbladder said:Tom Newton DunnVERIFIED ACCOUNT @tnewtondunn 1 min1 minute ago
Breaking: New Defence Secretary is Gavin Williamson - the Chief Whip! Wow.
Meh, May plays it timid and safe
Up close, of course, these people simply don't have it. Yet.
Why, you ask? His (and DJ's) profile is such that he ticks a lot of boxes. I fear for RS he may look a little Robin Cook-ish to be PM.0 -
When they've (a) got a credible candidate to replace her, and (b) have an agreed and defensible position on the Brexit negotiations; Neither looks likely to be the case soon. Any new leader, of those currently in the cabinet, would simply inherit all of Mrs May's problems and not be in much of a better position to address them.GIN1138 said:
When should they get her out?Richard_Nabavi said:Well that's a surprise.
However, I'm not at all confident that this is the end of the gropegate fallout. The distressing fact of the matter is the government is falling apart, and the PM is not really in a position to do much about it, even if she were temperamentally suited to do so. Unfortunately she isn't, she'll continue to react on this and other issues by one-off decisions to deal with the immediate problem but without any over-reaching strategy or attempt to seize the initiative.
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Don't disagree. But as you say doesn't make him PM material.FrancisUrquhart said:
Rory's back story is quite incredible and there isn't any leading tories with his experience / knowledge on one of the most defining issues at the present time. That doesnt mean PM material, but a minister with day to day impact on tackking islamic extremism seems a no brainier.TOPPING said:
He is one of those people, similar to Dan Jarvis on the Lab side, onto which people project hopes and expectations in the absence of anyone who has any real substance.Dura_Ace said:
Why is RS the vessel into which all tory hopes and dreams are poured? What's so great about him?rottenborough said:
A bloody good question.FrancisUrquhart said:
What does Rory the tory have to do to get a proper job?Slackbladder said:Tom Newton DunnVERIFIED ACCOUNT @tnewtondunn 1 min1 minute ago
Breaking: New Defence Secretary is Gavin Williamson - the Chief Whip! Wow.
Meh, May plays it timid and safe
Up close, of course, these people simply don't have it. Yet.
Why, you ask? His (and DJ's) profile is such that he ticks a lot of boxes. I fear for RS he may look a little Robin Cook-ish to be PM.0 -
Everything with which he was professionally involved on that front has gone horribly wrong so maybe not.FrancisUrquhart said:
Rory's back story is quite incredible and there isn't any leading tories with his experience / knowledge on one of the most defining issues at the present time. That doesnt mean PM material, but a minister with day to day impact on tackking islamic extremism seems a no brainier.0 -
He does seem to have risen without trace, though. We all gasped at the back story back in 2010, but the only times I've been aware of him since then have been when people have asked "What does Rory the tory have to do to get a proper job?"FrancisUrquhart said:
Rory's back story is quite incredible and there isn't any leading tories with his experience / knowledge on one of the most defining issues at the present time. That doesnt mean PM material, but a minister with day to day impact on tackking islamic extremism seems a no brainier.TOPPING said:
He is one of those people, similar to Dan Jarvis on the Lab side, onto which people project hopes and expectations in the absence of anyone who has any real substance.Dura_Ace said:
Why is RS the vessel into which all tory hopes and dreams are poured? What's so great about him?rottenborough said:
A bloody good question.FrancisUrquhart said:
What does Rory the tory have to do to get a proper job?Slackbladder said:Tom Newton DunnVERIFIED ACCOUNT @tnewtondunn 1 min1 minute ago
Breaking: New Defence Secretary is Gavin Williamson - the Chief Whip! Wow.
Meh, May plays it timid and safe
Up close, of course, these people simply don't have it. Yet.
Why, you ask? His (and DJ's) profile is such that he ticks a lot of boxes. I fear for RS he may look a little Robin Cook-ish to be PM.0 -
Yes unfortunately it is all too reminiscent of the Major government after September 1992. Only difference is for the May government it is unlikely to be such a long drawn out affairRichard_Nabavi said:Well that's a surprise.
However, I'm not at all confident that this is the end of the gropegate fallout. The distressing fact of the matter is the government is falling apart, and the PM is not really in a position to do much about it, even if she were temperamentally suited to do so. Unfortunately she isn't, she'll continue to react on this and other issues by one-off decisions to deal with the immediate problem but without any over-reaching strategy or attempt to seize the initiative.0 -
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I don't get this appointment.
The Tories have tonnes of MPs with military experience (Rory, Mercer), cabinet ministers that would have made good choices in related diagonally down positions (DFid) and ministers where defence would have been a logical progression upward from their current roll (Ellwood).
Not to mention the opportunity for a wide ranging reshuffle that is sorely needed (Boris etc).
Yet WIlliamson has been appointed that satisfies precisely zero of those criteria ?!0 -
Give it five minutes and it'll emerge the ' Spreadsheet ' said to have been compiled by researchers had Whips infomation on it. And if you read it carefully some of the more bizarre entries certainly read like that. The Underwood references are the most obvious and amusing but as suggested below Williamson may be attempting to do a John Major. Pound shop or otherwise.0
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I LOL’d when I saw the tweet of him endorsing this. Right now the reaction to this appointment (aside from Timothy) seems to be wholly negative. This guy looks like he might be trouble.....TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
I, for one, am shocked that May appears to have made an error in judgement.0
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The appointment of Williamson meets all the criteria of the person who appears to have made it. Gavin Williamson.Pulpstar said:I don't get this appointment.
The Tories have tonnes of MPs with military experience (Rory, Mercer), cabinet ministers that would have made good choices in related diagonally down positions (DFid) and ministers where defence would have been a logical progression upward from their current roll (Ellwood).
Not to mention the opportunity for a wide ranging reshuffle that is sorely needed (Boris etc).
Yet WIlliamson has been appointed that satisfies precisely zero of those criteria ?!0 -
Morris_Dancer said:
I, for one, am shocked that May appears to have made an error in judgement.
Indeed. Very unusual.
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I did warn you all.Morris_Dancer said:I, for one, am shocked that May appears to have made an error in judgement.
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Does seem like the current cabinet are very loose with their tongues. Is there another agenda here I wonder? Weaken, replace, reverse?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Yup, even David Davis admitted Brexit is going to shaft us all.TonyE said:
Does seem like the current cabinet are very loose with their tongues. Is there another agenda here I wonder? Weaken, replace, reverse?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Yet again, in trying not to rock the boat, she has misunderestimated (badly) the effect on those people not within her small coterie to whom, I have no doubt, it represented a masterstroke of strategic political planning.Pulpstar said:I don't get this appointment.
The Tories have tonnes of MPs with military experience (Rory, Mercer), cabinet ministers that would have made good choices in related diagonally down positions (DFid) and ministers where defence would have been a logical progression upward from their current roll (Ellwood).
Not to mention the opportunity for a wide ranging reshuffle that is sorely needed (Boris etc).
Yet WIlliamson has been appointed that satisfies precisely zero of those criteria ?!0 -
https://twitter.com/hrtbps/status/926047324782112768YellowSubmarine said:
The appointment of Williamson meets all the criteria of the person who appears to have made it. Gavin Williamson.Pulpstar said:I don't get this appointment.
The Tories have tonnes of MPs with military experience (Rory, Mercer), cabinet ministers that would have made good choices in related diagonally down positions (DFid) and ministers where defence would have been a logical progression upward from their current roll (Ellwood).
Not to mention the opportunity for a wide ranging reshuffle that is sorely needed (Boris etc).
Yet WIlliamson has been appointed that satisfies precisely zero of those criteria ?!0 -
Will the real AC Grayling please stand up ;-)TheScreamingEagles said:
Yup, even David Davis admitted Brexit is going to shaft us all.TonyE said:
Does seem like the current cabinet are very loose with their tongues. Is there another agenda here I wonder? Weaken, replace, reverse?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
You might think that, but I couldn't possibly comment.YellowSubmarine said:Give it five minutes and it'll emerge the ' Spreadsheet ' said to have been compiled by researchers had Whips infomation on it. And if you read it carefully some of the more bizarre entries certainly read like that. The Underwood references are the most obvious and amusing but as suggested below Williamson may be attempting to do a John Major. Pound shop or otherwise.
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As Richard N said I don't think there's any cunning masterplan/overarching strategy at all. Unfortunately it's the leadership deficiencies of TM that are being exposed.TonyE said:
Does seem like the current cabinet are very loose with their tongues. Is there another agenda here I wonder? Weaken, replace, reverse?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
I doubt the military would want an ex-military MoD.Pulpstar said:I don't get this appointment.
The Tories have tonnes of MPs with military experience (Rory, Mercer), cabinet ministers that would have made good choices in related diagonally down positions (DFid) and ministers where defence would have been a logical progression upward from their current roll (Ellwood).
Not to mention the opportunity for a wide ranging reshuffle that is sorely needed (Boris etc).
Yet WIlliamson has been appointed that satisfies precisely zero of those criteria ?!0 -
I'm pro Brexit.TonyE said:
Will the real AC Grayling please stand up ;-)TheScreamingEagles said:
Yup, even David Davis admitted Brexit is going to shaft us all.TonyE said:
Does seem like the current cabinet are very loose with their tongues. Is there another agenda here I wonder? Weaken, replace, reverse?TheScreamingEagles said:
The economic damage will be worth it, it will force us to spend within our means.
It'll also disproportionately hit poor people too and not the middle classes, bonus.0 -
So it seems this Gavin Williamson character is about as popular as a bowel of cold sick with Tories.
Is this how Boris becomes leader when the leadership contest is held? We finally have someone even more unpopular with the backbenches than Boris so BJ becomes the "ABG" (Anyone But Gav) candidate?
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It satisfies the criteria of keeping happy a man with the dirt on everyone else...Pulpstar said:Yet WIlliamson has been appointed that satisfies precisely zero of those criteria ?!
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There's never anything more amusing than reading secondhand thwarted rage on twitter of disappointed would-be applicants for a job. Gavin Williamson now has to prove himself.
No one now talks about George Osborne's lack of experience as a newspaper editor. But the FURY from journalists when it was announced was just as enjoyable.0 -
I don't think he's unpopular as such, it's the appointment to such a senior position, and for which he's much less qualified than others, which is going down so badly.GIN1138 said:So it seems this Gavin Williamson character is about as popular as a bowel of cold sick with Tories.
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I do wonder if there's the whiff of sour grapes in this. Unless Williamson was confined to the Chief Whip's office for ever, where else could he be reasonably moved to but another cabinet post, when he's done a pretty decent job as CW in challenging circumstances?The_Apocalypse said:0 -
I may be mistaken but, until Blair, wasn't it tradition that the MoD got an ex-military man?tlg86 said:
I doubt the military would want an ex-military MoD.Pulpstar said:I don't get this appointment.
The Tories have tonnes of MPs with military experience (Rory, Mercer), cabinet ministers that would have made good choices in related diagonally down positions (DFid) and ministers where defence would have been a logical progression upward from their current roll (Ellwood).
Not to mention the opportunity for a wide ranging reshuffle that is sorely needed (Boris etc).
Yet WIlliamson has been appointed that satisfies precisely zero of those criteria ?!
Of course, that was far easier for the war generations.0 -
Inter service rivalry. The idea of appointing a military man risks upsetting the other two services in which he didn't serve. Appoint a neutral, try to keep the rivalry under control.tlg86 said:
I doubt the military would want an ex-military MoD.Pulpstar said:I don't get this appointment.
The Tories have tonnes of MPs with military experience (Rory, Mercer), cabinet ministers that would have made good choices in related diagonally down positions (DFid) and ministers where defence would have been a logical progression upward from their current roll (Ellwood).
Not to mention the opportunity for a wide ranging reshuffle that is sorely needed (Boris etc).
Yet WIlliamson has been appointed that satisfies precisely zero of those criteria ?!0 -
Re your last sentence, Nah, he's done poorly, I'm sorry but ducking out of votes isn't doing a decent job as Chief Whip.david_herdson said:
I do wonder if there's the whiff of sour grapes in this. Unless Williamson was confined to the Chief Whip's office for ever, where else could he be reasonably moved to but another cabinet post, when he's done a pretty decent job as CW in challenging circumstances?The_Apocalypse said:0 -
He obviously has one key qualification that others don't have: the ear of the Prime Minister.Richard_Nabavi said:
I don't think he's unpopular as such, it's the appointment to such a senior position, and for which he's much less qualified than others, which is going down so badly.GIN1138 said:So it seems this Gavin Williamson character is about as popular as a bowel of cold sick with Tories.
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A friend texts
Theresa May is Caligula and Gavin Williamson is Incitatus.0 -
Certainly, and that is part of the problem.AlastairMeeks said:He obviously has one key qualification that others don't have: the ear of the Prime Minister.
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The whiff? All we're getting now is the foaming and raging of the spurned.david_herdson said:
I do wonder if there's the whiff of sour grapes in this. Unless Williamson was confined to the Chief Whip's office for ever, where else could he be reasonably moved to but another cabinet post, when he's done a pretty decent job as CW in challenging circumstances?The_Apocalypse said:
Mr Williamson may or may not be up to the job but we're not hearing anything this morning to inform us on that subject.0 -
From the man sacked by Michael Howard for lying to him about an affair.
https://twitter.com/BBCNormanS/status/9260546758325985280 -
I think many are worried about him having the dirt on a lot of people (allegedly) tbh. I think that’s what’s behind this reaction. Although Nick Timothy seems to think that this is a good appointment, which in itself is alarming. Allegedly he wants to be PM as well, not sure that’s he’s right choice for that role. I did find this tweet describing him by Kevin Maguire pretty funny:david_herdson said:
I do wonder if there's the whiff of sour grapes in this. Unless Williamson was confined to the Chief Whip's office for ever, where else could he be reasonably moved to but another cabinet post, when he's done a pretty decent job as CW in challenging circumstances?The_Apocalypse said:
https://twitter.com/kevin_maguire/status/9260352773024358420 -
We do bet. But there are two sides to every bet...TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
or a good grip somewhere else, paraphrasing Chuck CoulsonAlastairMeeks said:
He obviously has one key qualification that others don't have: the ear of the Prime Minister.Richard_Nabavi said:
I don't think he's unpopular as such, it's the appointment to such a senior position, and for which he's much less qualified than others, which is going down so badly.GIN1138 said:So it seems this Gavin Williamson character is about as popular as a bowel of cold sick with Tories.
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@David_Herdson Of course it's sour grapes. But the grapes have a lot to be sour about. This was triggered by intraparty infomation ( the Spreadsheet ) being leaked then the Chief Whip appointing himself to the subsequently vacant job. It's open to the interpretation of being a False Flag attack. Whether it is or not doesn't matter in the current febrile environment. May needed momentum from this change. Instead she'll get a process story.0
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Mr. Eagles, text back that Incitatus' stable was decorated with purple cloth but he was never actually made consul.
You may also want to add that Williamson as Sejanus and May as Tiberius is a better analogy.0 -
You do have to admire Boris for his sheer cheek!TheScreamingEagles said:From the man sacked by Michael Howard for lying to him about an affair.
https://twitter.com/BBCNormanS/status/926054675832598528 0 -
Not really, George Younger, Tom King, Malcolm Rifkind, Poprtillo,Rhubarb said:
I may be mistaken but, until Blair, wasn't it tradition that the MoD got an ex-military man?tlg86 said:
I doubt the military would want an ex-military MoD.Pulpstar said:I don't get this appointment.
The Tories have tonnes of MPs with military experience (Rory, Mercer), cabinet ministers that would have made good choices in related diagonally down positions (DFid) and ministers where defence would have been a logical progression upward from their current roll (Ellwood).
Not to mention the opportunity for a wide ranging reshuffle that is sorely needed (Boris etc).
Yet WIlliamson has been appointed that satisfies precisely zero of those criteria ?!
Of course, that was far easier for the war generations.0 -
We need one of those graphs Mike quotes, on Williamson's odds as Next PM / Next Con leader. All over the place this morning. He traded under 10 on Betfair this morning, before bouncing back out to the high teens. He has been backed at as long as 600 though, which would be a nice ticket to hold.0
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Interesting decision by May to appoint Gavin Williamson and a sensible promotion of some young talent up the Cabinet ranks.0
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King served as an officer in the Somerset Light InfantryTonyE said:
Not really, George Younger, Tom King, Malcolm Rifkind, Poprtillo,Rhubarb said:
I may be mistaken but, until Blair, wasn't it tradition that the MoD got an ex-military man?tlg86 said:
I doubt the military would want an ex-military MoD.Pulpstar said:I don't get this appointment.
The Tories have tonnes of MPs with military experience (Rory, Mercer), cabinet ministers that would have made good choices in related diagonally down positions (DFid) and ministers where defence would have been a logical progression upward from their current roll (Ellwood).
Not to mention the opportunity for a wide ranging reshuffle that is sorely needed (Boris etc).
Yet WIlliamson has been appointed that satisfies precisely zero of those criteria ?!
Of course, that was far easier for the war generations.0 -
According to a journalist on the ES there was no safe space for women's legs when Fallon was about.
I wonder whether they asked Ann Widdicombe?
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I got on at 139/1 earlier ... have taken a few gains since then but still long him.david_herdson said:We need one of those graphs Mike quotes, on Williamson's odds as Next PM / Next Con leader. All over the place this morning. He traded under 10 on Betfair this morning, before bouncing back out to the high teens. He has been backed at as long as 600 though, which would be a nice ticket to hold.
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First rate rise for a decade?Richard_Nabavi said:0.5%
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Exactly. This is the essence of it. TMay has long been a micro-manager who has not trusted or allowed anyone outside a small number of people the scope to do anything without her consent. This became evident at the GE and has now manifested itself with this appointment. It is, sadly, a sign of weakness and one that makes her leadership more brittle.Richard_Nabavi said:
Certainly, and that is part of the problem.AlastairMeeks said:He obviously has one key qualification that others don't have: the ear of the Prime Minister.
That is the reason for the texts - not sour grapes, but frustration that she remains in her small world excluding all others.0 -
Yes interest rate rise confirmedRichard_Nabavi said:0.5%
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I can't believe he was that bad. Something would have come out about him before...Roger said:According to a journalist on the ES there was no safe space for women's legs when Fallon was about.
He's made a lot of powerful enemies over the years (remember he was always the one to go on telly and attack Labour/Ed Miliband, etc)
If he was that well known as a sex-pest something would've come out about him years ago.0 -
Not necessarily given both backed RemainTheScreamingEagles said:
So Mrs May has lost you and JohnO today.Richard_Nabavi said:Well that's a surprise.
However, I'm not at all confident that this is the end of the gropegate fallout. The distressing fact of the matter is the government is falling apart, and the PM is not really in a position to do much about it, even if she were temperamentally suited to do so. Unfortunately she isn't, she'll continue to react on this and other issues by one-off decisions to deal with the immediate problem but without any over-reaching strategy or attempt to seize the initiative.
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Mr. Nabavi, cue yet more ridiculous hyperbolic bedwetting from the media over the horror of 0.5% interest rates.0
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Why not tell the public to FO? That would be genuine leadership.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yup, even David Davis admitted Brexit is going to shaft us all.TonyE said:
Does seem like the current cabinet are very loose with their tongues. Is there another agenda here I wonder? Weaken, replace, reverse?TheScreamingEagles said:
Of course, it might lead to Corbyn as well so everybody’s ******. Still, I’m sure that it’s worth it in some vague, Viz-level philosophical way.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm pro Brexit.TonyE said:
Will the real AC Grayling please stand up ;-)TheScreamingEagles said:
Yup, even David Davis admitted Brexit is going to shaft us all.TonyE said:
Does seem like the current cabinet are very loose with their tongues. Is there another agenda here I wonder? Weaken, replace, reverse?TheScreamingEagles said:
The economic damage will be worth it, it will force us to spend within our means.
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Yes, missed that - I stand corrected. But I think the rule holds, it was never a position traditionally set aside for an ex military man by wrote, just that in the 20th C many had served due to the prevailing history - rather than having been career military men.AlsoIndigo said:
King served as an officer in the Somerset Light InfantryTonyE said:
Not really, George Younger, Tom King, Malcolm Rifkind, Poprtillo,Rhubarb said:
I may be mistaken but, until Blair, wasn't it tradition that the MoD got an ex-military man?tlg86 said:
I doubt the military would want an ex-military MoD.Pulpstar said:I don't get this appointment.
The Tories have tonnes of MPs with military experience (Rory, Mercer), cabinet ministers that would have made good choices in related diagonally down positions (DFid) and ministers where defence would have been a logical progression upward from their current roll (Ellwood).
Not to mention the opportunity for a wide ranging reshuffle that is sorely needed (Boris etc).
Yet WIlliamson has been appointed that satisfies precisely zero of those criteria ?!
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In the BBC2 docudrama Theresa v Boris: How May Became PM, Williamson was played by the actor Daniel Casey. He was portrayed as a ruthless, Malcolm Tucker-esque Machiavel. “I’ll fire you, then I’ll fucking castrate you, all right?” he warned one Tory MP who failed to vote for May in the first round of the leadership contest. The impression of menace was enhanced by the appearance of a pet tarantula.
Williamson keeps the spider in a glass box on his desk. Cronus, as it is known, was named after a Greek god who castrated his father and ate his children. The parliamentary authorities demanded that Williamson expel the spider, but his team convinced them otherwise. “You have to look at different ways to persuade people to vote with the government,” Williamson has said. “Cronus is a perfect example of an incredibly clean, ruthless killer.”
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The interest rate decision was 7-2, which is a bit of a surprise.0
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I stand corrected.TonyE said:
Not really, George Younger, Tom King, Malcolm Rifkind, Poprtillo,Rhubarb said:
I may be mistaken but, until Blair, wasn't it tradition that the MoD got an ex-military man?tlg86 said:
I doubt the military would want an ex-military MoD.Pulpstar said:I don't get this appointment.
The Tories have tonnes of MPs with military experience (Rory, Mercer), cabinet ministers that would have made good choices in related diagonally down positions (DFid) and ministers where defence would have been a logical progression upward from their current roll (Ellwood).
Not to mention the opportunity for a wide ranging reshuffle that is sorely needed (Boris etc).
Yet WIlliamson has been appointed that satisfies precisely zero of those criteria ?!
Of course, that was far easier for the war generations.0 -
Sounds like a nice chap...The_Apocalypse said:
In the BBC2 docudrama Theresa v Boris: How May Became PM, Williamson was played by the actor Daniel Casey. He was portrayed as a ruthless, Malcolm Tucker-esque Machiavel. “I’ll fire you, then I’ll fucking castrate you, all right?” he warned one Tory MP who failed to vote for May in the first round of the leadership contest. The impression of menace was enhanced by the appearance of a pet tarantula.
Williamson keeps the spider in a glass box on his desk. Cronus, as it is known, was named after a Greek god who castrated his father and ate his children. The parliamentary authorities demanded that Williamson expel the spider, but his team convinced them otherwise. “You have to look at different ways to persuade people to vote with the government,” Williamson has said. “Cronus is a perfect example of an incredibly clean, ruthless killer.”
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So two of the three emergency stimulus measures the Bank activated after the Referendum have now been reversed. Many tell us they weren't needed. That may be arguing the airbag wasn't needed because you didn't die but at least now we'll get more experimental data.0
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This is nothing to do with Remain/Leave/Brexit, all to do with Mrs May being crap.HYUFD said:
Not necessarily given both backed RemainTheScreamingEagles said:
So Mrs May has lost you and JohnO today.Richard_Nabavi said:Well that's a surprise.
However, I'm not at all confident that this is the end of the gropegate fallout. The distressing fact of the matter is the government is falling apart, and the PM is not really in a position to do much about it, even if she were temperamentally suited to do so. Unfortunately she isn't, she'll continue to react on this and other issues by one-off decisions to deal with the immediate problem but without any over-reaching strategy or attempt to seize the initiative.
She’s doomed.
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Don't you hate slow news days?HYUFD said:
Yes interest rate rise confirmedRichard_Nabavi said:0.5%
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The interest rate rise from 0.25% to 0.5% simply reverses the panicked cut that took place after the 2016 EU referendum0
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The editor of the Evening Standard:
For Mrs May, this also feels like a career-defining moment. She has now insisted that certain standards of past behaviour are not consistent with membership of her government. Mrs May will remember the “Back to Basics” farce that unwittingly engulfed the Major government in the Nineties. If what looks like a strong stand today doesn’t descend into weakness tomorrow, then she will have to enforce that ruling whatever it means for other ministers in her government. As one very senior Conservative says privately this morning: Mr Fallon’s certainly won’t be the only resignation or dismissal. That may include potentially her closest allies in a Cabinet where she has few friends. For a Prime Minister without authority or a majority, that is one hell of a political gamble.
https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/evening-standard-comment-michael-fallon-resignation-isn-t-the-end-of-this-storm-a3674606.html0 -
If anything we are heading for a Corbyn minority government which will end austerity and spend more but tax more to pay for it.AnExileinD4 said:
Why not tell the public to FO? That would be genuine leadership.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yup, even David Davis admitted Brexit is going to shaft us all.TonyE said:
Does seem like the current cabinet are very loose with their tongues. Is there another agenda here I wonder? Weaken, replace, reverse?TheScreamingEagles said:
Of course, it might lead to Corbyn as well so everybody’s ******. Still, I’m sure that it’s worth it in some vague, Viz-level philosophical way.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm pro Brexit.TonyE said:
Will the real AC Grayling please stand up ;-)TheScreamingEagles said:
Yup, even David Davis admitted Brexit is going to shaft us all.TonyE said:
Does seem like the current cabinet are very loose with their tongues. Is there another agenda here I wonder? Weaken, replace, reverse?TheScreamingEagles said:
The economic damage will be worth it, it will force us to spend within our means.
It'll also disproportionately hit poor people too and not the middle classes, bonus.
Immigration will still fall though as he will also end free movement.0
