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Shadsy Xmas Party fund alert!Scott_P said:0 -
Not really. Londoners were pretty well aware that Boris was was a Remain man whilst Mayor.rottenborough said:
The UKIP voters went to Labour from those figures. Odd.Tissue_Price said:0 -
And Trump one without the suit ?Theuniondivvie said:I know politics is showbiz for ugly people, but has there ever been a weirder looking political crew (from Don down) than the Trump lot? Manafort resembles one of the aliens wearing a human suit from Men in Black.
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/9249778187773419540 -
There are plenty of 'professions' including the law and medicine where there have been instances of harassment too.JosiasJessop said:
There were plenty of people in parliament and the wider media who 'knew' about Lord McAlpine's alleged transgressions. He suffered more than a decade of nudge-nudge, wink-wink behind his back, all of which turned out to be rubbish.HYUFD said:
Cameron obviously knew about it too, Corbyn clearly knew about cases on the Labour side as well in all likelihood as identified by John Mann.TheScreamingEagles said:
For May the big risk is that the story moves to how long she has known about the alleged misconduct, via her whip's office, and why she didn't move earlier to deter and punish.HYUFD said:
Why is it 'devastating for May'? She is probably about the most personally upstanding in her personal life of the lot and these allegations will go back through the Cameron years and maybe beyond and cover Labour MPs and LDs too if the reports are anything to go byTheScreamingEagles said:
Since time immemorial prime ministers and their whips have gathered intelligence about the flaws and transgressions of MPs as a way of enforcing loyalty. But that is not a good look for a prime minister who has said so much about wanting to stamp out gender discrimination, bullying and the abuse of the vulnerable.
The problem, whether sexual shenanigans or sexual misdemeanours, is that too many of our politicians are utterly unprofessional. And this creates a culture where only people who are willing to put up with this unprofessionalism, or are willing to take part in it, become politicians.
Though I agree people should be innocent until proven guilty.0 -
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Apparently the Catalan Parliament are seeking diplomatic asylum from Spain.
In Brussels...0 -
Are there any where there haven't?HYUFD said:There are plenty of 'professions' including the law and medicine where there have been instances of harassment too.
A lot of this is the secular move towards increased prudery. Autre temps, autres moeurs
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Cover for battery failure - answering for a friend.TheScreamingEagles said:
For a variety of reasons, off the top off my headGIN1138 said:
What on earth would you do with two vibrators?Richard_Nabavi said:
To be fair, it was two vibrators.GIN1138 said:
Getting fired over a vibrator has got to be a first even for Westminster...CarlottaVance said:
1) Double penetration
2) One in each hole
3) One for her, one for you.
4) If you're participating with more than one lady
I'm sure there are other reasons.0 -
The Spanish government has the law and the EU on its side.oxfordsimon said:The Spanish authorities are getting this very wrong. The move to bring criminal charges against Catalan leaders is not going to help resolve anything. Indeed it looks petty, vindictive and will only make martyrs who can exploit it for their own political benefit.
What a mess.
Puigdemont and his co-conspirators need to go into exile far away from where Spanish extradition treaties apply, if they aren't to suffer the fate of his predecessor Lluís Companys.0 -
Tory right wingers raised the “nuclear threat” of a forced election in what was seen as an attempt to see off calls to empower the Commons to amend the deal or call for fresh negotiations.TheScreamingEagles said:
IDS all thinks we're headed for an early election too, but for different reasons.Tissue_Price said:3/1 an election next year? Looks too short for me but this is very volatile stuff.
Theresa May was threatened with a snap general election today if she is defeated by Parliament on her Brexit deal.
Tory right wingers raised the “nuclear threat” of a forced election in what was seen as an attempt to see off calls to empower the Commons to amend the deal or call for fresh negotiations.
Iain Duncan Smith, the former Conservative leader and leading Brexit-backer, said it would be on “a confidence issue” and defeat would make the Government “head towards” a general election.
“It will be the most important vote of the entire Parliament and if the Government loses it you head towards that conclusion,” he told the Evening Standard.
Mrs May is aiming to hammer out a leaving deal with the EU by October or November next year.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/pm-faces-snap-election-if-she-is-defeated-by-parliament-on-brexit-deal-a3671176.html
They really are stupid enough to think their influence will be improved by forcing an election, aren't they ? I always thought IDS a bit thick, but this takes the biscuit.
It's going all Morton's Fork for May.0 -
Yes, I agree with that.Richard_Nabavi said:
Are there any where there haven't?HYUFD said:There are plenty of 'professions' including the law and medicine where there have been instances of harassment too.
A lot of this is the secular move to increased prudery. Autre temps, autres moeurs
Secular puritanism. Right across the anglophile world.
Religious prudery, sans religion.
The neverending societal renegotiation of what constitutes consent.
Society is in flux.0 -
In some respects decade becoming more socially liberal, in terms of any expression of sexuality without clear consent, including just touching, rather less so.Richard_Nabavi said:
Are there any where there haven't?HYUFD said:There are plenty of 'professions' including the law and medicine where there have been instances of harassment too.
A lot of this is the secular move to increased prudery. Autre temps, autres moeurs0 -
Nothing excusable about it, either.foxinsoxuk said:
It is an odd story.Roger said:
I expect worst things happen to most fourteen year old boys than being propositioned by a famous actor or actress. And If he wanted an interesting story to tell his chums he'd got one.CarlottaVance said:
So the talented thespian who complained of Spacey's behaviour when he was 14 years old should have kept his mouth shut?Roger said:
I wish they'd stick to politicians and leave talented thespians out of this witch-huntCarlottaVance said:
Unless it was a not-uncommon event.......I think it's fair to say that in seeking to dig himself out of one hole, Mr Spacey has dug himself another one.....AlastairMeeks said:
Personally, if I'd made a drunken pass at a 14 year old boy in my bedroom, I think I'd remember it even at 30 years' distance.DavidL said:
We’re going on aAlastairMeeks said:I expect that there are quite a few men in the public eye who are feeling rather nervous today.
bearwitch hunt. I’m not scared.
Who lets a 14 year old unchaperoned stay at a drunken party?
Nothing new about predatory behaviour in this context.0 -
If the Government agrees an outline deal with the EU and Parliament rejects it then new elections are likely and if that leads to a Corbyn government then Corbyn would have to try and negotiate with the EU againNigelb said:
Tory right wingers raised the “nuclear threat” of a forced election in what was seen as an attempt to see off calls to empower the Commons to amend the deal or call for fresh negotiations.TheScreamingEagles said:
IDS all thinks we're headed for an early election too, but for different reasons.Tissue_Price said:3/1 an election next year? Looks too short for me but this is very volatile stuff.
Theresa May was threatened with a snap general election today if she is defeated by Parliament on her Brexit deal.
Tory right wingers raised the “nuclear threat” of a forced election in what was seen as an attempt to see off calls to empower the Commons to amend the deal or call for fresh negotiations.
Iain Duncan Smith, the former Conservative leader and leading Brexit-backer, said it would be on “a confidence issue” and defeat would make the Government “head towards” a general election.
“It will be the most important vote of the entire Parliament and if the Government loses it you head towards that conclusion,” he told the Evening Standard.
Mrs May is aiming to hammer out a leaving deal with the EU by October or November next year.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/pm-faces-snap-election-if-she-is-defeated-by-parliament-on-brexit-deal-a3671176.html
They really are stupid enough to think their influence will be improved by forcing an election, aren't they ? I always thought IDS a bit thick, but this takes the biscuit.
It's going all Morton's Fork for May.0 -
Different types for different moods as well. A Rampant Rabbit is very different from (say) an egg. Or so I've been told ...felix said:
Cover for battery failure - answering for a friend.TheScreamingEagles said:
For a variety of reasons, off the top off my headGIN1138 said:
What on earth would you do with two vibrators?Richard_Nabavi said:
To be fair, it was two vibrators.GIN1138 said:
Getting fired over a vibrator has got to be a first even for Westminster...CarlottaVance said:
1) Double penetration
2) One in each hole
3) One for her, one for you.
4) If you're participating with more than one lady
I'm sure there are other reasons.0 -
Off topic, Marf Of This Parish features prominently in this interesting little feature from the Beeb.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41724321
When I first met her about ten years ago she told me of the widespread male chauvinism in the world of cartoons. I was sceptical, and thought she maybe had a bit of a chip on her shoulder. Over the years I came to reverse that opinion through direct experience of what seems a small world dominated by the kind of male clique that I'd thought had pretty much died out.
On the evidence of the article, it will be some time before it does die out.0 -
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Is it really about prudery ?Richard_Nabavi said:
Are there any where there haven't?HYUFD said:There are plenty of 'professions' including the law and medicine where there have been instances of harassment too.
A lot of this is the secular move towards increased prudery. Autre temps, autres moeurs
Certainly those (for example Peter Hitchens), who hark back to a more 'Victorian' set of social standards are on board with that - but at base this is surely about simple respect for others ?
Demanding that from those in positions of power or responsibility is hardly prudery.0 -
It is - I knew plenty of people of that age in the 60s who gained access to all sorts of illicit places and activities - as no doubt many do now. Not sure I'm very enamoured of this new 'morality' we're experiencing. 'Back to basics' under Major backfired badly. We seem to have another press feeding frenzy on the issue which is somewhat amusing given their own predilections.foxinsoxuk said:
It is an odd story.Roger said:
I expect worst things happen to most fourteen year old boys than being propositioned by a famous actor or actress. And If he wanted an interesting story to tell his chums he'd got one.CarlottaVance said:
So the talented thespian who complained of Spacey's behaviour when he was 14 years old should have kept his mouth shut?Roger said:
I wish they'd stick to politicians and leave talented thespians out of this witch-huntCarlottaVance said:
Unless it was a not-uncommon event.......I think it's fair to say that in seeking to dig himself out of one hole, Mr Spacey has dug himself another one.....AlastairMeeks said:
Personally, if I'd made a drunken pass at a 14 year old boy in my bedroom, I think I'd remember it even at 30 years' distance.DavidL said:
We’re going on aAlastairMeeks said:I expect that there are quite a few men in the public eye who are feeling rather nervous today.
bearwitch hunt. I’m not scared.
Who lets a 14 year old unchaperoned stay at a drunken party?
Nothing new about predatory behaviour in this context.0 -
All Rajoy is doing is making Catalan independence more likely and increasing the chance of violence. He is a fecking moron.daodao said:
The Spanish government has the law and the EU on its side.oxfordsimon said:The Spanish authorities are getting this very wrong. The move to bring criminal charges against Catalan leaders is not going to help resolve anything. Indeed it looks petty, vindictive and will only make martyrs who can exploit it for their own political benefit.
What a mess.
Puigdemont and his co-conspirators need to go into exile far away from where Spanish extradition treaties apply, if they aren't to suffer the fate of his predecessor Lluís Companys.0 -
I hope MPs are taking the necessary Cyber-security precautions
Hacking tends to bring to mind compromised bank accounts or infiltrated government security systems, not anything as salacious as a dildo. But yesterday, the scientist Ben Goldacre alerted me to the practice of “screwdriving” – short-distance sex-toy hacking.
It might sound far-fetched, but the bluetooth low energy (BLE) networking protocol that “smart” sex toys often use can be compromised relatively easily, as demonstrated by security consultant Alex Lomas, who wandered the streets of Berlin taking control of Lovense Hush buttplugs.
I am a natural tech evangelist, but I fear I am fast becoming the voice of internet doom in my increasingly desperate attempts to make the government wake up to its threats as well as its opportunities. So I wonder if it is finally this, walk-by dildo hacking, that will make people sit up and take notice?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/oct/06/drive-by-sex-toy-hacking-wake-up-call-britain-internet-security-vibrators0 -
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Whether it's a good thing or not, it's a big change in attitudes over the last twenty years or even less. Judging incidents of the 1990s by the much stricter standards of 2017 makes no sense.Nigelb said:
Is it really about prudery ?Richard_Nabavi said:
Are there any where there haven't?HYUFD said:There are plenty of 'professions' including the law and medicine where there have been instances of harassment too.
A lot of this is the secular move towards increased prudery. Autre temps, autres moeurs
Certainly those (for example Peter Hitchens), who hark back to a more 'Victorian' set of social standards are on board with that - but at base this is surely about simple respect for others ?
Demanding that from those in positions of power or responsibility is hardly prudery.0 -
Surely this is just the netting off of the two main swings? UKIP --> Con and Con --> LabPeter_the_Punter said:
Not really. Londoners were pretty well aware that Boris was was a Remain man whilst Mayor.rottenborough said:
The UKIP voters went to Labour from those figures. Odd.Tissue_Price said:0 -
Yes of course but the press want resignations, beatings, hangings from this - the level of over-reaction intended or otherwise is already in train.Nigelb said:
Is it really about prudery ?Richard_Nabavi said:
Are there any where there haven't?HYUFD said:There are plenty of 'professions' including the law and medicine where there have been instances of harassment too.
A lot of this is the secular move towards increased prudery. Autre temps, autres moeurs
Certainly those (for example Peter Hitchens), who hark back to a more 'Victorian' set of social standards are on board with that - but at base this is surely about simple respect for others ?
Demanding that from those in positions of power or responsibility is hardly prudery.0 -
I think you are wrong - there is a strong consensus among all the parties that the law must be upheld. Also many of the headlines are massively exaggerating what is so far a fairly measured response.Richard_Tyndall said:
All Rajoy is doing is making Catalan independence more likely and increasing the chance of violence. He is a fecking moron.daodao said:
The Spanish government has the law and the EU on its side.oxfordsimon said:The Spanish authorities are getting this very wrong. The move to bring criminal charges against Catalan leaders is not going to help resolve anything. Indeed it looks petty, vindictive and will only make martyrs who can exploit it for their own political benefit.
What a mess.
Puigdemont and his co-conspirators need to go into exile far away from where Spanish extradition treaties apply, if they aren't to suffer the fate of his predecessor Lluís Companys.0 -
Guilty of what?HYUFD said:
There are plenty of 'professions' including the law and medicine where there have been instances of harassment too.JosiasJessop said:
There were plenty of people in parliament and the wider media who 'knew' about Lord McAlpine's alleged transgressions. He suffered more than a decade of nudge-nudge, wink-wink behind his back, all of which turned out to be rubbish.HYUFD said:
Cameron obviously knew about it too, Corbyn clearly knew about cases on the Labour side as well in all likelihood as identified by John Mann.TheScreamingEagles said:
For May the big risk is that the story moves to how long she has known about the alleged misconduct, via her whip's office, and why she didn't move earlier to deter and punish.HYUFD said:
Why is it 'devastating for May'? She is probably about the most personally upstanding in her personal life of the lot and these allegations will go back through the Cameron years and maybe beyond and cover Labour MPs and LDs too if the reports are anything to go byTheScreamingEagles said:
Since time immemorial prime ministers and their whips have gathered intelligence about the flaws and transgressions of MPs as a way of enforcing loyalty. But that is not a good look for a prime minister who has said so much about wanting to stamp out gender discrimination, bullying and the abuse of the vulnerable.
The problem, whether sexual shenanigans or sexual misdemeanours, is that too many of our politicians are utterly unprofessional. And this creates a culture where only people who are willing to put up with this unprofessionalism, or are willing to take part in it, become politicians.
Though I agree people should be innocent until proven guilty.
Unlike sexual assault, sexual harassment is not a crime, and there is no objective standard of proof. In fact, it is something that appears to be entirely identified by victims, and their experiences seem to be beyond scrutiny. It is something that once accused of, you can never refute. I know that a lot of serious, unacceptable stuff has happened, but it is in everyones interests to work within the framework of the law. Otherwise you just have chaos.
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Chaos is good press. Sadly.nielh said:
Guilty of what?HYUFD said:
There are plenty of 'professions' including the law and medicine where there have been instances of harassment too.JosiasJessop said:
There were plenty of people in parliament and the wider media who 'knew' about Lord McAlpine's alleged transgressions. He suffered more than a decade of nudge-nudge, wink-wink behind his back, all of which turned out to be rubbish.HYUFD said:
Cameron obviously knew about it too, Corbyn clearly knew about cases on the Labour side as well in all likelihood as identified by John Mann.TheScreamingEagles said:
For May the big risk is that the story moves to how long she has known about the alleged misconduct, via her whip's office, and why she didn't move earlier to deter and punish.HYUFD said:
Why is it 'devastating for May'? She is probably about the most personally upstanding in her personal life of the lot and these allegations will go back through the Cameron years and maybe beyond and cover Labour MPs and LDs too if the reports are anything to go byTheScreamingEagles said:
Since time immemorial prime ministers and their whips have gathered intelligence about the flaws and transgressions of MPs as a way of enforcing loyalty. But that is not a good look for a prime minister who has said so much about wanting to stamp out gender discrimination, bullying and the abuse of the vulnerable.
The problem, whether sexual shenanigans or sexual misdemeanours, is that too many of our politicians are utterly unprofessional. And this creates a culture where only people who are willing to put up with this unprofessionalism, or are willing to take part in it, become politicians.
Though I agree people should be innocent until proven guilty.
Unlike sexual assault, sexual harassment is not a crime, and there is no objective standard of proof. In fact, it is something that appears to be entirely identified by victims, and their experiences seem to be beyond scrutiny. It is something that once accused of, you can never refute. I know that a lot of serious, unacceptable stuff has happened, but it is in everyones interests to work within the framework of the law. Otherwise you just have chaos.0 -
The Generalissimo abolished the Generalitat de Catalunya in 1939 and it wasn't restored until 1977, after his death. Appropriate actions by the Spanish government can ensure that the possibility of Catalan independence is squashed for several generations.Richard_Tyndall said:
All Rajoy is doing is making Catalan independence more likely and increasing the chance of violence. He is a fecking moron.daodao said:
The Spanish government has the law and the EU on its side.oxfordsimon said:The Spanish authorities are getting this very wrong. The move to bring criminal charges against Catalan leaders is not going to help resolve anything. Indeed it looks petty, vindictive and will only make martyrs who can exploit it for their own political benefit.
What a mess.
Puigdemont and his co-conspirators need to go into exile far away from where Spanish extradition treaties apply, if they aren't to suffer the fate of his predecessor Lluís Companys.0 -
I was recently watching Oasis videos from the 1990's on youtube. 'Get yer tits out for the lads' etc etc. I can't see that going down well nowadays.Richard_Nabavi said:
Whether it's a good thing or not, it's a big change in attitudes over the last twenty years or even less. Judging incidents of the 1990s by the much stricter standards of 2017 makes no sense.Nigelb said:
Is it really about prudery ?Richard_Nabavi said:
Are there any where there haven't?HYUFD said:There are plenty of 'professions' including the law and medicine where there have been instances of harassment too.
A lot of this is the secular move towards increased prudery. Autre temps, autres moeurs
Certainly those (for example Peter Hitchens), who hark back to a more 'Victorian' set of social standards are on board with that - but at base this is surely about simple respect for others ?
Demanding that from those in positions of power or responsibility is hardly prudery.0 -
Is this comment a 'work-in-progress' thread header?TheScreamingEagles said:
There's a difference between a dildo and a vibrator.Pulpstar said:Dildogate.
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Surely Spain and Belgium have an extradition treaty ?
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Quite. Anyone at Westminster who did not know that the whips keep records of sexual and other misdemeanors by MPs must have been asleep for the past few decades.felix said:
It is - I knew plenty of people of that age in the 60s who gained access to all sorts of illicit places and activities - as no doubt many do now. Not sure I'm very enamoured of this new 'morality' we're experiencing. 'Back to basics' under Major backfired badly. We seem to have another press feeding frenzy on the issue which is somewhat amusing given their own predilections.foxinsoxuk said:
It is an odd story.Roger said:
I expect worst things happen to most fourteen year old boys than being propositioned by a famous actor or actress. And If he wanted an interesting story to tell his chums he'd got one.CarlottaVance said:
So the talented thespian who complained of Spacey's behaviour when he was 14 years old should have kept his mouth shut?Roger said:
I wish they'd stick to politicians and leave talented thespians out of this witch-huntCarlottaVance said:
Unless it was a not-uncommon event.......I think it's fair to say that in seeking to dig himself out of one hole, Mr Spacey has dug himself another one.....AlastairMeeks said:
Personally, if I'd made a drunken pass at a 14 year old boy in my bedroom, I think I'd remember it even at 30 years' distance.DavidL said:
We’re going on aAlastairMeeks said:I expect that there are quite a few men in the public eye who are feeling rather nervous today.
bearwitch hunt. I’m not scared.
Who lets a 14 year old unchaperoned stay at a drunken party?
Nothing new about predatory behaviour in this context.
I think the audience reaction to Gove's comment on the today programme is much more representative of public attitudes to these issues than the hypocritical outrage in the media.
Garnier's behaviour is that of an egotistical pr*ck but it is not criminal and should not be a resignation issue IMO.0 -
I’m writing the next thread on this subject.Mexicanpete said:
Is this comment a 'work-in-progress' thread header?TheScreamingEagles said:
There's a difference between a dildo and a vibrator.Pulpstar said:Dildogate.
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It appears things are starting to get quite serious for Donald...0
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The last thing you'd want is a distributed denial of service from dildos.Scott_P said:I hope MPs are taking the necessary Cyber-security precautions
Hacking tends to bring to mind compromised bank accounts or infiltrated government security systems, not anything as salacious as a dildo. But yesterday, the scientist Ben Goldacre alerted me to the practice of “screwdriving” – short-distance sex-toy hacking.
It might sound far-fetched, but the bluetooth low energy (BLE) networking protocol that “smart” sex toys often use can be compromised relatively easily, as demonstrated by security consultant Alex Lomas, who wandered the streets of Berlin taking control of Lovense Hush buttplugs.
I am a natural tech evangelist, but I fear I am fast becoming the voice of internet doom in my increasingly desperate attempts to make the government wake up to its threats as well as its opportunities. So I wonder if it is finally this, walk-by dildo hacking, that will make people sit up and take notice?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/oct/06/drive-by-sex-toy-hacking-wake-up-call-britain-internet-security-vibrators0 -
*anglophonePong said:
Yes, I agree with that.Richard_Nabavi said:
Are there any where there haven't?HYUFD said:There are plenty of 'professions' including the law and medicine where there have been instances of harassment too.
A lot of this is the secular move to increased prudery. Autre temps, autres moeurs
Secular puritanism. Right across the anglophile world.
Religious prudery, sans religion.
The neverending societal renegotiation of what constitutes consent.
Society is in flux.
This observation from mad John mcaffee seems somehow relevant to the debate, too;
"Society cannot function if everyone knows everything about everyone else," McAfee sagely noted, explaining that if two parties have contradictory beliefs it is a natural human instinct to try and settle those differences, which leads to conflict. If those parties are unaware of their differing beliefs, however, this conflict has no room in which to take place. It is, in McAfee's view, essential for civilisation: "Privacy creates a barrier through which conflict is stifled”
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/06/04/mad_mcafee/
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If troops are deployed to the streets of Barcelona then I think that's pretty much the end of the EU I think.Richard_Tyndall said:
All Rajoy is doing is making Catalan independence more likely and increasing the chance of violence. He is a fecking moron.daodao said:
The Spanish government has the law and the EU on its side.oxfordsimon said:The Spanish authorities are getting this very wrong. The move to bring criminal charges against Catalan leaders is not going to help resolve anything. Indeed it looks petty, vindictive and will only make martyrs who can exploit it for their own political benefit.
What a mess.
Puigdemont and his co-conspirators need to go into exile far away from where Spanish extradition treaties apply, if they aren't to suffer the fate of his predecessor Lluís Companys.0 -
Tissue_Price said:
Surely this is just the netting off of the two main swings? UKIP --> Con and Con --> LabPeter_the_Punter said:
Not really. Londoners were pretty well aware that Boris was was a Remain man whilst Mayor.rottenborough said:
The UKIP voters went to Labour from those figures. Odd.Tissue_Price said:Tissue_Price said:
Surely this is just the netting off of the two main swings? UKIP --> Con and Con --> LabPeter_the_Punter said:
Not really. Londoners were pretty well aware that Boris was was a Remain man whilst Mayor.rottenborough said:
The UKIP voters went to Labour from those figures. Odd.Tissue_Price said:
Possibly, TP, but I really don't think Boris is much of an electoral asset in London these days.Tissue_Price said:
Surely this is just the netting off of the two main swings? UKIP --> Con and Con --> LabPeter_the_Punter said:
Not really. Londoners were pretty well aware that Boris was was a Remain man whilst Mayor.rottenborough said:
The UKIP voters went to Labour from those figures. Odd.Tissue_Price said:0 -
Or if the floor gives way beneath them.....AlastairMeeks said:
Some hard right Conservative MPs will need to ponder carefully whether they would prefer their version of Brexit with Jeremy Corbyn in power or whether they would prefer to settle for a softer Brexit with a better chance of keeping him out.OchEye said:
The Tories are desperately hanging together as they have realised that is just what might happen to them if they don't.....TGOHF said:
It shows how far JC was from reality if he thought the Cons would self destruct.Benpointer said:
Old news alert!...TGOHF said:
Even if there was a GE there isn't much time to get it done this year.Sandpit said:
Can we bet on that?TGOHF said:Jezza looking dafter by the week
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/815836/jeremy-corbyn-prime-minister-by-christmas
'I could be in No 10 by Christmas' Jeremy Corbyn insists he can oust Theresa May.
"GLOATING Jeremy Corbyn today insisted that he could be prime minister by Christmas."
He does know that the DUP abstaining gives the Tories a majority of the MPs who take their seats?
You guys are all missing the fact that the Express article is dated 11th June 2017 !!
The guy is thick, clueless and his ego has ballooned out of control.
It'll be intriguing to see which way they jump.0 -
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Thanks, TSE, Been a while since we had something on AV [Alternative Vibrator.]TheScreamingEagles said:
I’m writing the next thread on this subject.Mexicanpete said:
Is this comment a 'work-in-progress' thread header?TheScreamingEagles said:
There's a difference between a dildo and a vibrator.Pulpstar said:Dildogate.
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Trying to guess what the silent majority think is fraught with difficulty. It is only about 1% of the population who express any opinions on controversial issues in public, everything is too toxic.anothernick said:
Quite. Anyone at Westminster who did not know that the whips keep records of sexual and other misdemeanors by MPs must have been asleep for the past few decades.felix said:
It is - I knew plenty of people of that age in the 60s who gained access to all sorts of illicit places and activities - as no doubt many do now. Not sure I'm very enamoured of this new 'morality' we're experiencing. 'Back to basics' under Major backfired badly. We seem to have another press feeding frenzy on the issue which is somewhat amusing given their own predilections.foxinsoxuk said:
It is an odd story.Roger said:
I expect worst things happen to most fourteen year old boys than being propositioned by a famous actor or actress. And If he wanted an interesting story to tell his chums he'd got one.CarlottaVance said:
So the talented thespian who complained of Spacey's behaviour when he was 14 years old should have kept his mouth shut?Roger said:
I wish they'd stick to politicians and leave talented thespians out of this witch-huntCarlottaVance said:
Unless it was a not-uncommon event.......I think it's fair to say that in seeking to dig himself out of one hole, Mr Spacey has dug himself another one.....AlastairMeeks said:
Personally, if I'd made a drunken pass at a 14 year old boy in my bedroom, I think I'd remember it even at 30 years' distance.DavidL said:
We’re going on aAlastairMeeks said:I expect that there are quite a few men in the public eye who are feeling rather nervous today.
bearwitch hunt. I’m not scared.
Who lets a 14 year old unchaperoned stay at a drunken party?
Nothing new about predatory behaviour in this context.
I think the audience reaction to Gove's comment on the today programme is much more representative of public attitudes to these issues than the hypocritical outrage in the media.
Garnier's behaviour is that of an egotistical pr*ck but it is not criminal and should not be a resignation issue IMO.
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Or make sure that you get the right mains voltage:AlastairMeeks said:
The last thing you'd want is a distributed denial of service from dildos.Scott_P said:I hope MPs are taking the necessary Cyber-security precautions
Hacking tends to bring to mind compromised bank accounts or infiltrated government security systems, not anything as salacious as a dildo. But yesterday, the scientist Ben Goldacre alerted me to the practice of “screwdriving” – short-distance sex-toy hacking.
It might sound far-fetched, but the bluetooth low energy (BLE) networking protocol that “smart” sex toys often use can be compromised relatively easily, as demonstrated by security consultant Alex Lomas, who wandered the streets of Berlin taking control of Lovense Hush buttplugs.
I am a natural tech evangelist, but I fear I am fast becoming the voice of internet doom in my increasingly desperate attempts to make the government wake up to its threats as well as its opportunities. SOo I wonder if it is finally this, walk-by dildo hacking, that will make people sit up and take notice?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/oct/06/drive-by-sex-toy-hacking-wake-up-call-britain-internet-security-vibrators
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXqLWqCqDHc
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There were troops on the streets of the 6 counties for many years after 1973, when the UK joined the then EEC.Alistair said:
If troops are deployed to the streets of Barcelona then I think that's pretty much the end of the EU I think.Richard_Tyndall said:
All Rajoy is doing is making Catalan independence more likely and increasing the chance of violence. He is a fecking moron.daodao said:
The Spanish government has the law and the EU on its side.oxfordsimon said:The Spanish authorities are getting this very wrong. The move to bring criminal charges against Catalan leaders is not going to help resolve anything. Indeed it looks petty, vindictive and will only make martyrs who can exploit it for their own political benefit.
What a mess.
Puigdemont and his co-conspirators need to go into exile far away from where Spanish extradition treaties apply, if they aren't to suffer the fate of his predecessor Lluís Companys.0 -
Ah, this is a separate investigation from the Russia/Trump thing, or am I missing something?Alistair said:https://www.justice.gov/file/1007271/download
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Indeed I mean liking Grime in itself shouldn't be a sacking offence. There are other tastes far worse. R*d**h**d, for example.nielh said:
Trying to guess what the silent majority think is fraught with difficulty. It is only about 1% of the population who express any opinions on controversial issues in public, everything is too toxic.anothernick said:
Quite. Anyone at Westminster who did not know that the whips keep records of sexual and other misdemeanors by MPs must have been asleep for the past few decades.felix said:
It is - I knew plenty of people of that age in the 60s who gained access to all sorts of illicit places and activities - as no doubt many do now. Not sure I'm very enamoured of this new 'morality' we're experiencing. 'Back to basics' under Major backfired badly. We seem to have another press feeding frenzy on the issue which is somewhat amusing given their own predilections.foxinsoxuk said:
It is an odd story.Roger said:
I expect worst things happen to most fourteen year old boys than being propositioned by a famous actor or actress. And If he wanted an interesting story to tell his chums he'd got one.CarlottaVance said:
So the talented thespian who complained of Spacey's behaviour when he was 14 years old should have kept his mouth shut?Roger said:
I wish they'd stick to politicians and leave talented thespians out of this witch-huntCarlottaVance said:
Unless it was a not-uncommon event.......I think it's fair to say that in seeking to dig himself out of one hole, Mr Spacey has dug himself another one.....AlastairMeeks said:
Personally, if I'd made a drunken pass at a 14 year old boy in my bedroom, I think I'd remember it even at 30 years' distance.DavidL said:
We’re going on aAlastairMeeks said:I expect that there are quite a few men in the public eye who are feeling rather nervous today.
bearwitch hunt. I’m not scared.
Who lets a 14 year old unchaperoned stay at a drunken party?
Nothing new about predatory behaviour in this context.
I think the audience reaction to Gove's comment on the today programme is much more representative of public attitudes to these issues than the hypocritical outrage in the media.
Garnier's behaviour is that of an egotistical pr*ck but it is not criminal and should not be a resignation issue IMO.0 -
I look forward to an educational experience-as always!TheScreamingEagles said:
I’m writing the next thread on this subject.Mexicanpete said:
Is this comment a 'work-in-progress' thread header?TheScreamingEagles said:
There's a difference between a dildo and a vibrator.Pulpstar said:Dildogate.
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Adult Videos?Peter_the_Punter said:
Thanks, TSE, Been a while since we had something on AV [Alternative Vibrator.]TheScreamingEagles said:
I’m writing the next thread on this subject.Mexicanpete said:
Is this comment a 'work-in-progress' thread header?TheScreamingEagles said:
There's a difference between a dildo and a vibrator.Pulpstar said:Dildogate.
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It's all in a oner. The current inditement doesn't mention Trump/Russia collusion but Mueller is starting with Manafort and going to nibble from there. Amazing that he's went straight for Manafort, normally they start way lower down the pole.RobD said:
Ah, this is a separate investigation from the Russia/Trump thing, or am I missing something?Alistair said:https://www.justice.gov/file/1007271/download
For the inditement.0 -
There were quite a few troops on the streets in France last Summer after the terrorist attacks. Maybe they are still there - the emergency is still in force AFAIK. No one suggested that meant the end of the EU.daodao said:
There were troops on the streets of the 6 counties for many years after 1973, when the UK joined the then EEC.Alistair said:
If troops are deployed to the streets of Barcelona then I think that's pretty much the end of the EU I think.Richard_Tyndall said:
All Rajoy is doing is making Catalan independence more likely and increasing the chance of violence. He is a fecking moron.daodao said:
The Spanish government has the law and the EU on its side.oxfordsimon said:The Spanish authorities are getting this very wrong. The move to bring criminal charges against Catalan leaders is not going to help resolve anything. Indeed it looks petty, vindictive and will only make martyrs who can exploit it for their own political benefit.
What a mess.
Puigdemont and his co-conspirators need to go into exile far away from where Spanish extradition treaties apply, if they aren't to suffer the fate of his predecessor Lluís Companys.0 -
"What's that annoying incessant buzzing noise coming from your bedroom?"TheScreamingEagles said:I'm fairly certain the music video for Paranoid Android features a cartoon of a man wearing a gimp outfit.
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'Car wheels on a gravel road' is a favorite of mine. Just gets in under the wire (1998).Charles said:
Anything (pre-Red) by Taylor Swift?TheWhiteRabbit said:
You see there's my problem.TheScreamingEagles said:Future Tory Leader here, he's in tune with young voters.
https://twitter.com/MattHancock/status/924952312740794369
I just don't think my love of country could chime with the voters. Or at least, not British ones.
Not helped by the fact most people can't name a country song less than twenty years old.
Plenty of country artists are household names in the US. Carrie Underwood, Garth Brooks, Keith Urban, Miranda Lambert, Shania Twain, Tim McGraw and Blake Shelton spring to mind. And I am not particularly a fan, although I do like the occasional song.
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Applying a bit of pressure and offering a deal no doubt.Alistair said:
It's all in a oner. The current inditement doesn't mention Trump/Russia collusion but Mueller is starting with Manafort and going to nibble from there. Amazing that he's went straight for Manafort, normally they start way lower down the pole.RobD said:
Ah, this is a separate investigation from the Russia/Trump thing, or am I missing something?Alistair said:https://www.justice.gov/file/1007271/download
For the inditement.
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Great. Now all I can visualise is Thom Yorke walking towards me with an adult toy saying "this is what you get when you mess with us".Scott_P said:
"What's that annoying incessant buzzing noise coming from your bedroom?"TheScreamingEagles said:I'm fairly certain the music video for Paranoid Android features a cartoon of a man wearing a gimp outfit.
"I'm listening to Radioh.., Emm, I am using a vibrator"0 -
brings a whole new meaning to the line 'he buzzes like a fridge' too.AlastairMeeks said:
Great. Now all I can visualise is Thom Yorke walking towards me with an adult toy saying "this is what you get when you mess with us".Scott_P said:
"What's that annoying incessant buzzing noise coming from your bedroom?"TheScreamingEagles said:I'm fairly certain the music video for Paranoid Android features a cartoon of a man wearing a gimp outfit.
"I'm listening to Radioh.., Emm, I am using a vibrator"0 -
Ah, I hadn't realised he had such a wide remit.Alistair said:
It's all in a oner. The current inditement doesn't mention Trump/Russia collusion but Mueller is starting with Manafort and going to nibble from there. Amazing that he's went straight for Manafort, normally they start way lower down the pole.RobD said:
Ah, this is a separate investigation from the Russia/Trump thing, or am I missing something?Alistair said:https://www.justice.gov/file/1007271/download
For the inditement.0 -
Been out all morning....much going on today....innocent face0
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Catalan leaders seeking asylum in Brussels.
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Pocket change....From bbc website...Indictment states
"In total more than $75,000,000 flowed through the offshore accounts.
"Manafort laundered more than $18,000,000, which was used by him to buy property, goods and services in the United States."0 -
The Flemish Nat who's in charge of asylum and migration was encouraging it over the weekend.Big_G_NorthWales said:Catalan leaders seeking asylum in Brussels.
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I think the line from the WH is going to need some work...
@abradacabla: so what the White House is saying is that Donald Trump in fact hires the worst people https://twitter.com/NoahGrayCNN/status/9249953752698634250 -
The deal will be for Manafort's sidekick. He could spill the beans in return for immunity.TGOHF said:
Applying a bit of pressure and offering a deal no doubt.Alistair said:
It's all in a oner. The current inditement doesn't mention Trump/Russia collusion but Mueller is starting with Manafort and going to nibble from there. Amazing that he's went straight for Manafort, normally they start way lower down the pole.RobD said:
Ah, this is a separate investigation from the Russia/Trump thing, or am I missing something?Alistair said:https://www.justice.gov/file/1007271/download
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Surely bad hombres!Scott_P said:I think the line from the WH is going to need some work...
@abradacabla: so what the White House is saying is that Donald Trump in fact hires the worst people https://twitter.com/NoahGrayCNN/status/924995375269863425
Lock 'em up, lock 'em up, lock'em up....0 -
How many minutes until Nicola offers asylum and solidarity in Edinburgh?Big_G_NorthWales said:Catalan leaders seeking asylum in Brussels.
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Taps mike. Sniffs. Fake NewsFrancisUrquhart said:Surely bad hombres!
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Polruan said:
How many minutes until Nicola offers asylum and solidarity in Edinburgh?
Edinburgh South West MP Joanna Cherry flew out to support the October 1 vote, despite being a QC and the Spanish constitutional court having suspended the referendum law the month before. There are people who struggle to follow the legal arguments on Judge Judy who had worked out which way the Spanish courts were going to rule. But such trivialities seem not to burden Miss Cherry. You get the impression that she thinks her elevation to Queen’s Counsel was a real honour for the Queen.
Now Christina McKelvie wants MSPs to vote for ‘recognition of Catalonia’s right to self-determination’. In a bunker deep under the streets of Barcelona, an animated lackey is galloping towards Carles Puigdemont whooping, ‘Senyor President! We’re saved! Christina McKelvie has tabled a non-binding motion before the Scottish Parliament.’
Pity the poor Scottish Nationalists. Everywhere they look, freedom is on the march — from Catalonia to Kurdistan. Everywhere, that is, except Scotland, where the country is heartily scunnered of constitutional argy-bargy after five solid years of nothing else. Scots have had their fill of idealism for a while. We’d like our roads fixed and a couple more GPs down the local practice, please.
https://stephendaisley.com/2017/10/30/nicolas-freedom-fighters-take-up-arms-and-enjoy-a-few-days-in-the-sun/0 -
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Yup. The fascists are in charge now.Richard_Tyndall said:
All Rajoy is doing is making Catalan independence more likely and increasing the chance of violence. He is a fecking moron.daodao said:
The Spanish government has the law and the EU on its side.oxfordsimon said:The Spanish authorities are getting this very wrong. The move to bring criminal charges against Catalan leaders is not going to help resolve anything. Indeed it looks petty, vindictive and will only make martyrs who can exploit it for their own political benefit.
What a mess.
Puigdemont and his co-conspirators need to go into exile far away from where Spanish extradition treaties apply, if they aren't to suffer the fate of his predecessor Lluís Companys.0 -
Hyperbole - what? In Catalonia today the regular local Mossad police have enforced the law today with no appreciable fuss and the head of the Parliament has accepted the suspension.anothernick said:
There were quite a few troops on the streets in France last Summer after the terrorist attacks. Maybe they are still there - the emergency is still in force AFAIK. No one suggested that meant the end of the EU.daodao said:
There were troops on the streets of the 6 counties for many years after 1973, when the UK joined the then EEC.Alistair said:
If troops are deployed to the streets of Barcelona then I think that's pretty much the end of the EU I think.Richard_Tyndall said:
All Rajoy is doing is making Catalan independence more likely and increasing the chance of violence. He is a fecking moron.daodao said:
The Spanish government has the law and the EU on its side.oxfordsimon said:The Spanish authorities are getting this very wrong. The move to bring criminal charges against Catalan leaders is not going to help resolve anything. Indeed it looks petty, vindictive and will only make martyrs who can exploit it for their own political benefit.
What a mess.
Puigdemont and his co-conspirators need to go into exile far away from where Spanish extradition treaties apply, if they aren't to suffer the fate of his predecessor Lluís Companys.0 -
A couple who met on a dating website have gone on trial accused of plotting a terror attack using a homemade bomb.
Single Muslim desperately seeking partner for islamic extremist activities...Enjoys watching Isis propaganda video, bomb making tutorials and weekends away to busy tourist locations to scout out possible venues for attacks..0 -
If you ever wanted proof that the word “fascists” was overused, here it is.surbiton said:
Yup. The fascists are in charge now.Richard_Tyndall said:
All Rajoy is doing is making Catalan independence more likely and increasing the chance of violence. He is a fecking moron.daodao said:
The Spanish government has the law and the EU on its side.oxfordsimon said:The Spanish authorities are getting this very wrong. The move to bring criminal charges against Catalan leaders is not going to help resolve anything. Indeed it looks petty, vindictive and will only make martyrs who can exploit it for their own political benefit.
What a mess.
Puigdemont and his co-conspirators need to go into exile far away from where Spanish extradition treaties apply, if they aren't to suffer the fate of his predecessor Lluís Companys.0 -
The original reported offer from Belgium has been denied by the PM.Big_G_NorthWales said:Catalan leaders seeking asylum in Brussels.
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tis a pity about the sex scandals - otherwise refuge could have been obtained under Salmond's kilt for a dozen or so.Polruan said:
How many minutes until Nicola offers asylum and solidarity in Edinburgh?Big_G_NorthWales said:Catalan leaders seeking asylum in Brussels.
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It is a funny kind of law. No part of Spain can secede under any circumstances even if 100% wanted it because the Spanish constitution does not allow breaking up. How long that can last remains to be seen. Under the aegis of the EU, it does not really matter if Barcelona is in Spain or Catalunia. Only the EU rules [ which the Spanish will not allow to be changed ] prevent this.felix said:
I think you are wrong - there is a strong consensus among all the parties that the law must be upheld. Also many of the headlines are massively exaggerating what is so far a fairly measured response.Richard_Tyndall said:
All Rajoy is doing is making Catalan independence more likely and increasing the chance of violence. He is a fecking moron.daodao said:
The Spanish government has the law and the EU on its side.oxfordsimon said:The Spanish authorities are getting this very wrong. The move to bring criminal charges against Catalan leaders is not going to help resolve anything. Indeed it looks petty, vindictive and will only make martyrs who can exploit it for their own political benefit.
What a mess.
Puigdemont and his co-conspirators need to go into exile far away from where Spanish extradition treaties apply, if they aren't to suffer the fate of his predecessor Lluís Companys.
I mean Yugoslavia broke up into six and some of them are part of the EU today with others to follow. Czech and Slovakia broke up and both are members today.
I know these happened prior to them joining the EU but in practical terms, what is the difference ?0 -
Drip, drip !Scott_P said:0 -
The EU has made it's position on the issue very clear. They support the application of the rule of law in Spain. As a fan of the organisation you'd think you'd be happy.surbiton said:
It is a funny kind of law. No part of Spain can secede under any circumstances even if 100% wanted it because the Spanish constitution does not allow breaking up. How long that can last remains to be seen. Under the aegis of the EU, it does not really matter if Barcelona is in Spain or Catalunia. Only the EU rules [ which the Spanish will not allow to be changed ] prevent this.felix said:
I think you are wrong - there is a strong consensus among all the parties that the law must be upheld. Also many of the headlines are massively exaggerating what is so far a fairly measured response.Richard_Tyndall said:
All Rajoy is doing is making Catalan independence more likely and increasing the chance of violence. He is a fecking moron.daodao said:
The Spanish government has the law and the EU on its side.oxfordsimon said:The Spanish authorities are getting this very wrong. The move to bring criminal charges against Catalan leaders is not going to help resolve anything. Indeed it looks petty, vindictive and will only make martyrs who can exploit it for their own political benefit.
What a mess.
Puigdemont and his co-conspirators need to go into exile far away from where Spanish extradition treaties apply, if they aren't to suffer the fate of his predecessor Lluís Companys.
I mean Yugoslavia broke up into six and some of them are part of the EU today with others to follow. Czech and Slovakia broke up and both are members today.
I know these happened prior to them joining the EU but in practical terms, what is the difference ?0 -
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That the state they are acrimoniously seceding from is a current EU member?surbiton said:
It is a funny kind of law. No part of Spain can secede under any circumstances even if 100% wanted it because the Spanish constitution does not allow breaking up. How long that can last remains to be seen. Under the aegis of the EU, it does not really matter if Barcelona is in Spain or Catalunia. Only the EU rules [ which the Spanish will not allow to be changed ] prevent this.felix said:
I think you are wrong - there is a strong consensus among all the parties that the law must be upheld. Also many of the headlines are massively exaggerating what is so far a fairly measured response.Richard_Tyndall said:
All Rajoy is doing is making Catalan independence more likely and increasing the chance of violence. He is a fecking moron.daodao said:
The Spanish government has the law and the EU on its side.oxfordsimon said:The Spanish authorities are getting this very wrong. The move to bring criminal charges against Catalan leaders is not going to help resolve anything. Indeed it looks petty, vindictive and will only make martyrs who can exploit it for their own political benefit.
What a mess.
Puigdemont and his co-conspirators need to go into exile far away from where Spanish extradition treaties apply, if they aren't to suffer the fate of his predecessor Lluís Companys.
I mean Yugoslavia broke up into six and some of them are part of the EU today with others to follow. Czech and Slovakia broke up and both are members today.
I know these happened prior to them joining the EU but in practical terms, what is the difference ?0 -
Absolutely.RobD said:
If you ever wanted proof that the word “fascists” was overused, here it is.surbiton said:
Yup. The fascists are in charge now.Richard_Tyndall said:
All Rajoy is doing is making Catalan independence more likely and increasing the chance of violence. He is a fecking moron.daodao said:
The Spanish government has the law and the EU on its side.oxfordsimon said:The Spanish authorities are getting this very wrong. The move to bring criminal charges against Catalan leaders is not going to help resolve anything. Indeed it looks petty, vindictive and will only make martyrs who can exploit it for their own political benefit.
What a mess.
Puigdemont and his co-conspirators need to go into exile far away from where Spanish extradition treaties apply, if they aren't to suffer the fate of his predecessor Lluís Companys.
It's only the people SUPPORTED by Fascists that are in charge.
https://twitter.com/Munchbunch87/status/9247783641620070410 -
Have they blown up a plane? Those guys do pretty well in Scotland.Polruan said:
How many minutes until Nicola offers asylum and solidarity in Edinburgh?Big_G_NorthWales said:Catalan leaders seeking asylum in Brussels.
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AlastairMeeks said:
One wonders what she thinks of it all, as a mother.DavidL said:
What could go wrong?rottenborough said:Leadsom will make statement on MPs behaviour this afternoon, Guardian reporting
Without wishing to tar anybody without children, for whatever reason, one of May’s (many) problems, is the absence of children and the wider consequences and emotional challenges relating to that. More than most, she could do with being challenged and drawn out of her intellectual and emotional comfort zone.AlastairMeeks said:
One wonders what she thinks of it all, as a mother.DavidL said:
What could go wrong?rottenborough said:Leadsom will make statement on MPs behaviour this afternoon, Guardian reporting
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Do you want to give examples of that or does it come from your, apparently unlimited bullshit bank.HYUFD said:
There are plenty of 'professions' including the law and medicine where there have been instances of harassment too.JosiasJessop said:
There were plenty of people in parliament and the wider media who 'knew' about Lord McAlpine's alleged transgressions. He suffered more than a decade of nudge-nudge, wink-wink behind his back, all of which turned out to be rubbish.HYUFD said:
Cameron obviously knew about it too, Corbyn clearly knew about cases on the Labour side as well in all likelihood as identified by John Mann.TheScreamingEagles said:
For May the big risk is that the story moves to how long she has known about the alleged misconduct, via her whip's office, and why she didn't move earlier to deter and punish.HYUFD said:
Why is it 'devastating for May'? She is probably about the most personally upstanding in her personal life of the lot and these allegations will go back through the Cameron years and maybe beyond and cover Labour MPs and LDs too if the reports are anything to go byTheScreamingEagles said:
Since time immemorial prime ministers and their whips have gathered intelligence about the flaws and transgressions of MPs as a way of enforcing loyalty. But that is not a good look for a prime minister who has said so much about wanting to stamp out gender discrimination, bullying and the abuse of the vulnerable.
The problem, whether sexual shenanigans or sexual misdemeanours, is that too many of our politicians are utterly unprofessional. And this creates a culture where only people who are willing to put up with this unprofessionalism, or are willing to take part in it, become politicians.
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It's the only card they have to play.Scott_P said:I think the line from the WH is going to need some work...
@abradacabla: so what the White House is saying is that Donald Trump in fact hires the worst people https://twitter.com/NoahGrayCNN/status/9249953752698634250 -
Is that "not a fan" in a Dallas Cowboy sense?MTimT said:
'Car wheels on a gravel road' is a favorite of mine. Just gets in under the wire (1998).Charles said:
Anything (pre-Red) by Taylor Swift?TheWhiteRabbit said:
You see there's my problem.TheScreamingEagles said:Future Tory Leader here, he's in tune with young voters.
https://twitter.com/MattHancock/status/924952312740794369
I just don't think my love of country could chime with the voters. Or at least, not British ones.
Not helped by the fact most people can't name a country song less than twenty years old.
Plenty of country artists are household names in the US. Carrie Underwood, Garth Brooks, Keith Urban, Miranda Lambert, Shania Twain, Tim McGraw and Blake Shelton spring to mind. And I am not particularly a fan, although I do like the occasional song.0 -
I was thinking the same thing, particularly as it is presented almost as a given, when at best it is a possibility.Theuniondivvie said:
The BBC this am seemed to have gone into Lewis Hamilton overdrive (not as good as the Bachman Turner sort), suggesting that Hamilton could equal Schumacher's record of 7 titles by 2020. Shades of English footie team chicken counting hype?Morris_Dancer said:F1: blimey. Betfair already has the 2018 title markets up.
Not really got going yet. Put down 230 for Alonso.
Interestingly, Ladbrokes, which also has a market, has McLaren and Renault drivers shorter than Force India. It's a shame the latter don't have a bit more cash.
I think it's too soon for Renault. They need a bit more time, in my view. None of the Ladbrokes odds tempt me at the moment.
Edited extra bit: I should clarify, those are the odds, not my stake, on Alonso
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2988893/Doctor-reveals-sexual-harassment-faces-working-medicine.htmlAnExileinD4 said:
Do you want to give examples of that or does it come from your, apparently unlimited bullshit bank.HYUFD said:
There are plenty of 'professions' including the law and medicine where there have been instances of harassment too.JosiasJessop said:
There were plenty of people in parliament and the wider media who 'knew' about Lord McAlpine's alleged transgressions. He suffered more than a decade of nudge-nudge, wink-wink behind his back, all of which turned out to be rubbish.HYUFD said:
Cameron obviously knew about it too, Corbyn clearly knew about cases on the Labour side as well in all likelihood as identified by John Mann.TheScreamingEagles said:
For May the big risk is that the story moves to how long she has known about the alleged misconduct, via her whip's office, and why she didn't move earlier to deter and punish.HYUFD said:
Why is it 'devastating for May'? She is probably about the most personally upstanding in her personal life of the lot and these allegations will go back through the Cameron years and maybe beyond and cover Labour MPs and LDs too if the reports are anything to go byTheScreamingEagles said:
Since time immemorial prime ministers and their whips have gathered intelligence about the flaws and transgressions of MPs as a way of enforcing loyalty. But that is not a good look for a prime minister who has said so much about wanting to stamp out gender discrimination, bullying and the abuse of the vulnerable.
The problem, whether sexual shenanigans or sexual misdemeanours, is that too many of our politicians are utterly unprofessional. And this creates a culture where only people who are willing to put up with this unprofessionalism, or are willing to take part in it, become politicians.
Though I agree people should be innocent until proven guilty.
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2016/jul/12/female-barristers-report-high-level-of-sexual-harassment-at-work0
