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  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,074
    Mr. B, *sighs* You tinker.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,214
    Sandpit said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    The Times front page has a story about a government IT director buying Amazon cloud services and then going to work for them. The Times worries (so far as I can see because it is paywalled) about revolving door rules but there is another, unasked question.

    How many US government services are hosted by British providers? I'm guessing the answer is none because of national security masking protectionism. That is a lesson our government (of either party) needs to learn.

    I'm guessing none because the market leaders are all American companies.
    The story is a little surprising because we have been told that the Data Commissioner requires privileged information to be stored in the EU unless you are able to immediately produce evidence that the storage out of the EU meets all EU regulations. Frankly this looks like protectionism to me too but I am not clear why this hurdle did not apply to the government.
    US cloud companies (the big ones) have datacentres in Europe.
    Maybe but they don't warrant that is where your data is going to be held. Of course the government is a rather more important client than me....
    US government contracts specify that data servers must be physically located within the USA.

    UK givernment is not allowed to do the same, they’re only allowed to specify that data is stored within the EU. Maybe your data’s in a Romanian data centre where those who monitor quality are paid off and those in charge earn €300 a month.
    There are a lot of things to do on Brexit but removing restrictions on the storage of data in the US with the largest and most competent tech companies in the world must surely be on the list.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,056
    HYUFD said:

    A I showed earlier IDS' final poll as leader had the Tories on 35% and Hague got 31% and Howard got 33% so arguably he may have done slightly better than Howard rather than worse than Hague.

    Brent East did for him but the Tories still came third there in 2005 under Howard (their candidate was Kwasi Kwarteng)

    Perhaps there was also the realisation an election campaign against Blair and Charles Kennedy might not have played to IDS's strengths.

  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,214

    Mr. B, *sighs* You tinker.

    Are you still allowed to say that? Just asking.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    DavidL said:

    There are a lot of things to do on Brexit but removing restrictions on the storage of data in the US with the largest and most competent tech companies in the world must surely be on the list.

    Reducing data protection standards is what "Take Back Control" was all about...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,949

    Mr. B, *sighs* You tinker.

    Apologies - that was pretty awful.
    :smile:
    One thought on yesterday's events - was Verstappen's engine one of the very few Renaults which didn't blow up because it was the latest upgrade... or do we need to factor in the possibility of mechanical failure for him again at the next GP ?
  • stevefstevef Posts: 1,044
    Once again I make the point that for the Tories to get rid of May immediately after a general election in which more people voted for her as PM since Thatcher's 1987 landslide in seats would have been an affront to democracy, and the Tories would have been rightly lambasted, not least on here, for presenting a leader to the voters during the election, and then imposing another unelected by the voters on the country immediately afterwards.

    As for Tory ruthlessness, it is the greatest ruthlessness of all to keep her on as PM while she serves their purpose and then ditching her mid term or closer to the next election and replacing her with a more electable leader.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,214
    Scott_P said:

    DavidL said:

    There are a lot of things to do on Brexit but removing restrictions on the storage of data in the US with the largest and most competent tech companies in the world must surely be on the list.

    Reducing data protection standards is what "Take Back Control" was all about...
    It won't reduce them, it will simply move one of the many layers of protectionism that the EU currently imposes on us.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,518
    DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    The Times front page has a story about a government IT director buying Amazon cloud services and then going to work for them. The Times worries (so far as I can see because it is paywalled) about revolving door rules but there is another, unasked question.

    How many US government services are hosted by British providers? I'm guessing the answer is none because of national security masking protectionism. That is a lesson our government (of either party) needs to learn.

    I'm guessing none because the market leaders are all American companies.
    The story is a little surprising because we have been told that the Data Commissioner requires privileged information to be stored in the EU unless you are able to immediately produce evidence that the storage out of the EU meets all EU regulations. Frankly this looks like protectionism to me too but I am not clear why this hurdle did not apply to the government.
    US cloud companies (the big ones) have datacentres in Europe.
    Maybe but they don't warrant that is where your data is going to be held. Of course the government is a rather more important client than me....
    US government contracts specify that data servers must be physically located within the USA.

    UK givernment is not allowed to do the same, they’re only allowed to specify that data is stored within the EU. Maybe your data’s in a Romanian data centre where those who monitor quality are paid off and those in charge earn €300 a month.
    There are a lot of things to do on Brexit but removing restrictions on the storage of data in the US with the largest and most competent tech companies in the world must surely be on the list.
    Difficult one. Obviously there’s plenty of US companies who’ll store data, but the issue is that of legal jurisdiction regarding access to it.

    As an IT consultant, my question is which company do I use for data storage that can’t be disclosed to country X? To be fair most of the larger cloud providers now use encrypition good enough to defeat most government efforts.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,214
    Nigelb said:

    Mr. B, *sighs* You tinker.

    Apologies - that was pretty awful.
    :smile:
    One thought on yesterday's events - was Verstappen's engine one of the very few Renaults which didn't blow up because it was the latest upgrade... or do we need to factor in the possibility of mechanical failure for him again at the next GP ?
    If I was putting money on the 2018 F1 champion right now it would be on Verstappen.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,849
    Nigelb said:

    Jonathan said:

    Success in politics cannot be defined as making it to PM,not least because most people who get there make a hash of it and leave with their reputation diminished.


    Yes - Eden might have had a reputation as one of the great might-have-beens, had he not actually been PM...
    So Eden might have been the best might-have-been?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    DavidL said:

    It won't reduce them, it will simply move one of the many layers of protectionism that the EU currently imposes on us.

    Fixed it for you...
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    Nigelb said:

    Jonathan said:

    Success in politics cannot be defined as making it to PM,not least because most people who get there make a hash of it and leave with their reputation diminished.


    Yes - Eden might have had a reputation as one of the great might-have-beens, had he not actually been PM...
    So Eden might have been the best might-have-been?
    He could have been a contender.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,849
    stevef said:

    Once again I make the point that for the Tories to get rid of May immediately after a general election in which more people voted for her as PM since Thatcher's 1987 landslide in seats would have been an affront to democracy, and the Tories would have been rightly lambasted, not least on here, for presenting a leader to the voters during the election, and then imposing another unelected by the voters on the country immediately afterwards.

    As for Tory ruthlessness, it is the greatest ruthlessness of all to keep her on as PM while she serves their purpose and then ditching her mid term or closer to the next election and replacing her with a more electable leader.

    Nothing in your first paragraph would have held though had May, as widely expected, have resigned in the Friday after the election.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited October 2017
    Sandpit said:

    Crickey.....

    Kevin Spacey apologises over Anthony Rapp 'sexual advance' claim
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41799026

    It's hardly surprising. There are going to be lots of stories coming out, with abuse and lesser offences in all directions - i.e. not just against women. The really amazing thing is that anyone's surprised given the famous casting-couch culture.

    I daresay someone will be along soon to say the victims should have become hairdressers if they didn't want to be felt up by the talent ...
    I still think the most interesting stories are those that haven’t come out - those of the A-list actresses and models who enthusiastically embraced the casting couch and have been introducing their young friends to the likes of Harvey Weinstein and Terry Richardson. Will they ever be considered part of the problem?
    In a second you are going to realise what grooming means and then feel foolish.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,949
    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    Mr. B, *sighs* You tinker.

    Apologies - that was pretty awful.
    :smile:
    One thought on yesterday's events - was Verstappen's engine one of the very few Renaults which didn't blow up because it was the latest upgrade... or do we need to factor in the possibility of mechanical failure for him again at the next GP ?
    If I was putting money on the 2018 F1 champion right now it would be on Verstappen.
    A season too early, perhaps - though if Mercedes radical redesign for next season doesn't work out (they are reportedly going for the same high rake philosophy that everyone else has spent the last three seasons developing), he might just do it.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,518
    Nigelb said:

    Mr. B, *sighs* You tinker.

    Apologies - that was pretty awful.
    :smile:
    One thought on yesterday's events - was Verstappen's engine one of the very few Renaults which didn't blow up because it was the latest upgrade... or do we need to factor in the possibility of mechanical failure for him again at the next GP ?
    Christian Horner insists that it’s a TAG-Heuer engine ;) despite the engineers all over their cars in Renault shirts.

    Rumours yesterday suggested the STR engine issues are related to the installation, and won’t affect the factory team or RB, but I’m sceptical.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,880
    Nigelb said:

    Jonathan said:

    Success in politics cannot be defined as making it to PM,not least because most people who get there make a hash of it and leave with their reputation diminished.


    Yes - Eden might have had a reputation as one of the great might-have-beens, had he not actually been PM...
    Eden was, as PM, sabotaged by Churchill. The latter should have resigned 6 months after either the 1951 election or 6 months after the Coronation.
  • stevefstevef Posts: 1,044

    stevef said:

    Once again I make the point that for the Tories to get rid of May immediately after a general election in which more people voted for her as PM since Thatcher's 1987 landslide in seats would have been an affront to democracy, and the Tories would have been rightly lambasted, not least on here, for presenting a leader to the voters during the election, and then imposing another unelected by the voters on the country immediately afterwards.

    As for Tory ruthlessness, it is the greatest ruthlessness of all to keep her on as PM while she serves their purpose and then ditching her mid term or closer to the next election and replacing her with a more electable leader.

    Nothing in your first paragraph would have held though had May, as widely expected, have resigned in the Friday after the election.
    It would because she was the Tory leader who millions of people had voted for. If she had resigned the next day, she and the Tory party would have been accused of foisting an unelected prime minister on the country. Can you think of a single PM in our history who has resigned the day after he or she was re-elected as PM?
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Jezza looking dafter by the week

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/815836/jeremy-corbyn-prime-minister-by-christmas

    'I could be in No 10 by Christmas' Jeremy Corbyn insists he can oust Theresa May.

    "GLOATING Jeremy Corbyn today insisted that he could be prime minister by Christmas."

  • stevefstevef Posts: 1,044

    stevef said:

    Once again I make the point that for the Tories to get rid of May immediately after a general election in which more people voted for her as PM since Thatcher's 1987 landslide in seats would have been an affront to democracy, and the Tories would have been rightly lambasted, not least on here, for presenting a leader to the voters during the election, and then imposing another unelected by the voters on the country immediately afterwards.

    As for Tory ruthlessness, it is the greatest ruthlessness of all to keep her on as PM while she serves their purpose and then ditching her mid term or closer to the next election and replacing her with a more electable leader.

    Nothing in your first paragraph would have held though had May, as widely expected, have resigned in the Friday after the election.
    She and the Tories would have been accused of foisting an unelected PM on the country. Can you name me a single PM in 400 years who has resigned the day after he or she has been re-elected as PM?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,074
    Mr. L, why wouldn't I be able to say that?

    Mr. B, hard to say on the engine front. A similar thing happened at the preceding race too, so it seems the new version might be more reliable.

    Mr. L (2), Not sure about the odds. If the Renault engine is competitive and reliable enough that adds Alonso into the mix.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,518
    Alistair said:

    Sandpit said:

    Crickey.....

    Kevin Spacey apologises over Anthony Rapp 'sexual advance' claim
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41799026

    It's hardly surprising. There are going to be lots of stories coming out, with abuse and lesser offences in all directions - i.e. not just against women. The really amazing thing is that anyone's surprised given the famous casting-couch culture.

    I daresay someone will be along soon to say the victims should have become hairdressers if they didn't want to be felt up by the talent ...
    I still think the most interesting stories are those that haven’t come out - those of the A-list actresses and models who enthusiastically embraced the casting couch and have been introducing their young friends to the likes of Harvey Weinstein and Terry Richardson. Will they ever be considered part of the problem?
    In a second you are going to realise what grooming means and then feel foolish.
    The question remains the same - will the famous female groomers of young women to powerful men be sufficiently vilified?
  • stevefstevef Posts: 1,044
    TGOHF said:

    Jezza looking dafter by the week

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/815836/jeremy-corbyn-prime-minister-by-christmas

    'I could be in No 10 by Christmas' Jeremy Corbyn insists he can oust Theresa May.

    "GLOATING Jeremy Corbyn today insisted that he could be prime minister by Christmas."

    He is supported by so many turkeys, Christmas is permanently on his mind.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,518
    edited October 2017
    TGOHF said:

    Jezza looking dafter by the week

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/815836/jeremy-corbyn-prime-minister-by-christmas

    'I could be in No 10 by Christmas' Jeremy Corbyn insists he can oust Theresa May.

    "GLOATING Jeremy Corbyn today insisted that he could be prime minister by Christmas."

    Can we bet on that?

    He does know that the DUP abstaining gives the Tories a majority of the MPs who take their seats?
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Sugartitsgate is the perfect dead cat for May to distract everyone's attention from the Brexit negotiations.

    Expect more to come out on budget day.

    Not working out so well for others.

    https://twitter.com/GerryHassan/status/924772675087687680
    Ruth making jokes about receiving risqué text messages from Crabb seems like a less good idea now.

    She also seems to be messaging people who pointed out she was a strong supporter of Crabb to try and get them to retract or something.

    https://twitter.com/lauraewaddell/status/924761496957194241
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,351
    edited October 2017

    F1: blimey. Betfair already has the 2018 title markets up.

    Not really got going yet. Put down 230 for Alonso.

    Interestingly, Ladbrokes, which also has a market, has McLaren and Renault drivers shorter than Force India. It's a shame the latter don't have a bit more cash.

    I think it's too soon for Renault. They need a bit more time, in my view. None of the Ladbrokes odds tempt me at the moment.

    Edited extra bit: I should clarify, those are the odds, not my stake, on Alonso :p

    The BBC this am seemed to have gone into Lewis Hamilton overdrive (not as good as the Bachman Turner sort), suggesting that Hamilton could equal Schumacher's record of 7 titles by 2020. Shades of English footie team chicken counting hype?

    Not that I'm suggesting Hamilton isn't vastly more capable than the current English football team.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,224
    Mr Spacey's belated candour not universally welcomed:

    https://twitter.com/IainDale/status/924933216112345088
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,849
    edited October 2017
    TGOHF said:

    Jezza looking dafter by the week

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/815836/jeremy-corbyn-prime-minister-by-christmas

    'I could be in No 10 by Christmas' Jeremy Corbyn insists he can oust Theresa May.

    "GLOATING Jeremy Corbyn today insisted that he could be prime minister by Christmas."

    You're quoting an article from June 11th - I don't think it was beyond the realms of possibility at that point, with the Tories yet to agree a deal with the DUP.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Sandpit said:

    Alistair said:

    Sandpit said:

    Crickey.....

    Kevin Spacey apologises over Anthony Rapp 'sexual advance' claim
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41799026

    It's hardly surprising. There are going to be lots of stories coming out, with abuse and lesser offences in all directions - i.e. not just against women. The really amazing thing is that anyone's surprised given the famous casting-couch culture.

    I daresay someone will be along soon to say the victims should have become hairdressers if they didn't want to be felt up by the talent ...
    I still think the most interesting stories are those that haven’t come out - those of the A-list actresses and models who enthusiastically embraced the casting couch and have been introducing their young friends to the likes of Harvey Weinstein and Terry Richardson. Will they ever be considered part of the problem?
    In a second you are going to realise what grooming means and then feel foolish.
    The question remains the same - will the famous female groomers of young women to powerful men be sufficiently vilified?
    Hint: They were groomed first.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,214

    Mr. L, why wouldn't I be able to say that?

    Mr. B, hard to say on the engine front. A similar thing happened at the preceding race too, so it seems the new version might be more reliable.

    Mr. L (2), Not sure about the odds. If the Renault engine is competitive and reliable enough that adds Alonso into the mix.

    It may be a regional thing. Here a tinker is a name for an itinerant person, typically a Gypsy, of doubtful honesty and reliability. Using it as an abusive term is arguably racist and evidence of racial stereotyping in a way that may have problems with the Equality Act. Having looked it up online I see in other areas it is used to describe a mischievous child which is certainly consistent with your use.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,518

    F1: blimey. Betfair already has the 2018 title markets up.

    Not really got going yet. Put down 230 for Alonso.

    Interestingly, Ladbrokes, which also has a market, has McLaren and Renault drivers shorter than Force India. It's a shame the latter don't have a bit more cash.

    I think it's too soon for Renault. They need a bit more time, in my view. None of the Ladbrokes odds tempt me at the moment.

    Edited extra bit: I should clarify, those are the odds, not my stake, on Alonso :p

    The BBC this am seemed to have gone into Lewis Hamilton overdrive (not as good as the Bachman Turner sort), suggesting that Hamilton could equal Schumacher's record of 7 titles by 2020. Shades of English footie team chicken counting hype?

    Not that I'm suggesting Hamilton isn't vastly more capable than the current English football team.
    Good news - I’m on Lewis for SPOTY at 10/1.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Sandpit said:

    TGOHF said:

    Jezza looking dafter by the week

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/815836/jeremy-corbyn-prime-minister-by-christmas

    'I could be in No 10 by Christmas' Jeremy Corbyn insists he can oust Theresa May.

    "GLOATING Jeremy Corbyn today insisted that he could be prime minister by Christmas."

    Can we bet on that?

    He does know that the DUP abstaining gives the Tories a majority of the MPs who take their seats?
    Even if there was a GE there isn't much time to get it done this year.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    I expect that there are quite a few men in the public eye who are feeling rather nervous today.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,074
    Mr. Divvie, I must concur with Mr. Sandpit's reaction (backed Hamilton to win SPOTY) so if the BBC want to go overboard, and you're probably right, that's fine by me.

    Mr. L, hmm. You're still a tinker ;)
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,849
    stevef said:

    stevef said:

    Once again I make the point that for the Tories to get rid of May immediately after a general election in which more people voted for her as PM since Thatcher's 1987 landslide in seats would have been an affront to democracy, and the Tories would have been rightly lambasted, not least on here, for presenting a leader to the voters during the election, and then imposing another unelected by the voters on the country immediately afterwards.

    As for Tory ruthlessness, it is the greatest ruthlessness of all to keep her on as PM while she serves their purpose and then ditching her mid term or closer to the next election and replacing her with a more electable leader.

    Nothing in your first paragraph would have held though had May, as widely expected, have resigned in the Friday after the election.
    It would because she was the Tory leader who millions of people had voted for. If she had resigned the next day, she and the Tory party would have been accused of foisting an unelected prime minister on the country. Can you think of a single PM in our history who has resigned the day after he or she was re-elected as PM?
    I don't entirely disagree with you - I am just being a bit pedantic on a couple of points.

    Firstly, had May chosen to follow Cameron's lead and resign the day after an electoral setback, the Tories could hardly be blamed for choosing a new leader. I am sure Corbyn would have claimed that he had more legitimacy but we don't have a presidential system - whichever party or parties can command the support of the HoC decides who is PM. Which brings me to my 2nd point:

    May was not re-elected as PM; we don't elect the PM.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,880

    TGOHF said:

    Jezza looking dafter by the week

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/815836/jeremy-corbyn-prime-minister-by-christmas

    'I could be in No 10 by Christmas' Jeremy Corbyn insists he can oust Theresa May.

    "GLOATING Jeremy Corbyn today insisted that he could be prime minister by Christmas."

    You're quoting an article from June 11th - I don't think it was beyond the realms of possibility at that point, with the Tories yet to agree a deal with the DUP.
    And not long after that a senior Tory MP told me more or less the same thing.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    One wonders if it suits the Con party to get their bad news out first.....



  • Sandpit said:

    UK givernment is not allowed to do the same, they’re only allowed to specify that data is stored within the EU. Maybe your data’s in a Romanian data centre where those who monitor quality are paid off and those in charge earn €300 a month.

    This is yet another Brexit scare story. Bidding must be open to all, but the final decision is up to the buyer. UK government departments invariably host with either UK-based providers or Amazon/Microsoft.

    EU data protection rules a) protect EU citizens from misuse of data and b) help level the playing field for EU-based data centres including UK SMEs - but still, HMRC recently helped one go under by switching a big contract to Amazon. Expect more of that if rules are loosened after Brexit.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,518
    https://order-order.com/2017/10/30/vince-cables-stunning-harassment-hypocrisy/Vince Cable seems to have conveniently forgotten about Chris Rennard.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,786
    Sandpit said:

    F1: blimey. Betfair already has the 2018 title markets up.

    Not really got going yet. Put down 230 for Alonso.

    Interestingly, Ladbrokes, which also has a market, has McLaren and Renault drivers shorter than Force India. It's a shame the latter don't have a bit more cash.

    I think it's too soon for Renault. They need a bit more time, in my view. None of the Ladbrokes odds tempt me at the moment.

    Edited extra bit: I should clarify, those are the odds, not my stake, on Alonso :p

    The BBC this am seemed to have gone into Lewis Hamilton overdrive (not as good as the Bachman Turner sort), suggesting that Hamilton could equal Schumacher's record of 7 titles by 2020. Shades of English footie team chicken counting hype?

    Not that I'm suggesting Hamilton isn't vastly more capable than the current English football team.
    Good news - I’m on Lewis for SPOTY at 10/1.
    It does seem like Hamilton is the current default go-to for SPOTY when no one else shines. Only other person i can think of is Chris Froome for winning the TDF
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,224
    This could get tricky:

    https://www.politico.eu/article/glyphosate-ban-fears-grow-could-disrupt-global-trade/amp/

    Next thing, the EU will be banning chlorine in water salad chicken.....
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Sandpit said:

    https://order-order.com/2017/10/30/vince-cables-stunning-harassment-hypocrisy/Vince Cable seems to have conveniently forgotten about Chris Rennard.

    Has Cable forgotten about Cable ?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,214
    edited October 2017

    I expect that there are quite a few men in the public eye who are feeling rather nervous today.

    We’re going on a bear witch hunt. I’m not scared.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,108
    Sandpit said:

    https://order-order.com/2017/10/30/vince-cables-stunning-harassment-hypocrisy/Vince Cable seems to have conveniently forgotten about Chris Rennard.

    He handled it as well as he could have done on Pienaar yesterday. No story really.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,786
    TGOHF said:

    One wonders if it suits the Con party to get their bad news out first.....

    They'll be bad eggs in all. the only way to play this is with straight bat and root out all the wrong-doers.

    Although I expect mud to be thrown at opponents and people on your 'side' defended as usual.
  • Alistair said:

    Sugartitsgate is the perfect dead cat for May to distract everyone's attention from the Brexit negotiations.

    Expect more to come out on budget day.

    Not working out so well for others.

    https://twitter.com/GerryHassan/status/924772675087687680
    Ruth making jokes about receiving risqué text messages from Crabb seems like a less good idea now.

    She also seems to be messaging people who pointed out she was a strong supporter of Crabb to try and get them to retract or something.

    https://twitter.com/lauraewaddell/status/924761496957194241
    Slick SCon PR machine not oiled enough, or too well oiled? Maybe it wasn't that slick in the first place.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,074
    Mr. Slackbladder, Joshua's still down at 1.4, though.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    DavidL said:

    I expect that there are quite a few men in the public eye who are feeling rather nervous today.

    We’re going on a bear witch hunt. I’m not scared.
    Maybe.

    Personally, if I'd made a drunken pass at a 14 year old boy in my bedroom, I think I'd remember it even at 30 years' distance.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,214

    DavidL said:

    I expect that there are quite a few men in the public eye who are feeling rather nervous today.

    We’re going on a bear witch hunt. I’m not scared.
    Maybe.

    Personally, if I'd made a drunken pass at a 14 year old boy in my bedroom, I think I'd remember it even at 30 years' distance.
    Yes. I also suspect that someone, well, perverted enough to do that once is unlikely to have exercised restraint on every other occasion. But we shall see.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    If there are 36 Conservative male MPs of whom complaints have been made by Commons workers, that's just under 15% of all Conservative male MPs. It's legitimate to talk about a real culture problem (which may not just be a Conservative problem of course).
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    If there are 36 Conservative male MPs of whom complaints have been made by Commons workers, that's just under 15% of all Conservative male MPs. It's legitimate to talk about a real culture problem (which may not just be a Conservative problem of course).

    Will be interesting to see the average age of the 36 - is it a generational issue ?
  • PClippPClipp Posts: 2,138
    Nigelb said:

    PClipp said:

    Theresa May is safe until a) she decides she's had enough or b) Brexit looks like it will have an OK resolution. Otherwise, why would you agitiate to get the top job - and walk straight into a kicking from the voters? Being remembered as the shortest ever PM who let in Jeremy Corbyn - and consequently, facilitated the UK's biggest ever economic disaster - hardly an attractive epitaph is it, Boris?
    Theresa May: on and on..... Nailed on.

    I rather thought were were already facing the UK`s biggest ever economic disaster... 100% home-made by the Conservative Party...
    I think the electorate need to take a little of the responsibility ?
    No good voting for Brexit and then complaining, should it kill growth for a few years (though it's entirely fair to say the current lot are making a horlicks of the negotiations with the EU). And you can't entirely blame the government for the continuing rise in household debt.
    I accept that, up to a point. However, it was the stupid Conservatives who set up the Brexit referendum, with a meaningless question, which left room for any number of damaging interpretations afterwards - and all to keep together the unholy alliance which is the Conservative Party.

    They would have done better to grasp the nettle years ago, and decide whether they were a progressive party with an international outlook and a growing economy; or a party still yearning for Victorian social values, and an unfounded belief in their own entitlement. And then split.

    We might then have had a proper re-alignment of British politics. Instead we have two over-large unstable coalitions masquerading as Labour and Conservatives. And when it comes to election time, they both fight on both sides of the argument. And we end up with the most unstable government anybody could ever imagine.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    Alistair said:

    Sugartitsgate is the perfect dead cat for May to distract everyone's attention from the Brexit negotiations.

    Expect more to come out on budget day.

    Not working out so well for others.

    https://twitter.com/GerryHassan/status/924772675087687680
    Ruth making jokes about receiving risqué text messages from Crabb seems like a less good idea now.

    She also seems to be messaging people who pointed out she was a strong supporter of Crabb to try and get them to retract or something.

    https://twitter.com/lauraewaddell/status/924761496957194241
    Slick SCon PR machine not oiled enough, or too well oiled? Maybe it wasn't that slick in the first place.
    Why not just say nowt? If she were a Westminster politician you could get a "she must have known something" argument off the ground, but not as things stand. Silly woman.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,849
    TGOHF said:

    Sandpit said:

    TGOHF said:

    Jezza looking dafter by the week

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/815836/jeremy-corbyn-prime-minister-by-christmas

    'I could be in No 10 by Christmas' Jeremy Corbyn insists he can oust Theresa May.

    "GLOATING Jeremy Corbyn today insisted that he could be prime minister by Christmas."

    Can we bet on that?

    He does know that the DUP abstaining gives the Tories a majority of the MPs who take their seats?
    Even if there was a GE there isn't much time to get it done this year.
    Old news alert!...

    You guys are all missing the fact that the Express article is dated 11th June 2017 !!
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    TGOHF said:

    Sandpit said:

    TGOHF said:

    Jezza looking dafter by the week

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/815836/jeremy-corbyn-prime-minister-by-christmas

    'I could be in No 10 by Christmas' Jeremy Corbyn insists he can oust Theresa May.

    "GLOATING Jeremy Corbyn today insisted that he could be prime minister by Christmas."

    Can we bet on that?

    He does know that the DUP abstaining gives the Tories a majority of the MPs who take their seats?
    Even if there was a GE there isn't much time to get it done this year.
    Old news alert!...

    You guys are all missing the fact that the Express article is dated 11th June 2017 !!
    It shows how far JC was from reality if he thought the Cons would self destruct.

    The guy is thick, clueless and his ego has ballooned out of control.

  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,849

    If there are 36 Conservative male MPs of whom complaints have been made by Commons workers, that's just under 15% of all Conservative male MPs. It's legitimate to talk about a real culture problem (which may not just be a Conservative problem of course).

    Anyone else think this could lead to a number of by-elections over the next 12-18 months?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,880
    Doesn’t say where they hyphen was intended to go!
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,880

    If there are 36 Conservative male MPs of whom complaints have been made by Commons workers, that's just under 15% of all Conservative male MPs. It's legitimate to talk about a real culture problem (which may not just be a Conservative problem of course).

    Anyone else think this could lead to a number of by-elections over the next 12-18 months?
    Just like expenses didn’t!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,508

    If there are 36 Conservative male MPs of whom complaints have been made by Commons workers, that's just under 15% of all Conservative male MPs. It's legitimate to talk about a real culture problem (which may not just be a Conservative problem of course).

    Anyone else think this could lead to a number of by-elections over the next 12-18 months?
    Just like expenses didn’t!
    Garnier has support of his constituency assoc apparently.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,849
    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    Sandpit said:

    TGOHF said:

    Jezza looking dafter by the week

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/815836/jeremy-corbyn-prime-minister-by-christmas

    'I could be in No 10 by Christmas' Jeremy Corbyn insists he can oust Theresa May.

    "GLOATING Jeremy Corbyn today insisted that he could be prime minister by Christmas."

    Can we bet on that?

    He does know that the DUP abstaining gives the Tories a majority of the MPs who take their seats?
    Even if there was a GE there isn't much time to get it done this year.
    Old news alert!...

    You guys are all missing the fact that the Express article is dated 11th June 2017 !!
    It shows how far JC was from reality if he thought the Cons would self destruct.

    The guy is thick, clueless and his ego has ballooned out of control.

    Sounds like you've got 20-20 hindsight vision! :lol:
  • If there are 36 Conservative male MPs of whom complaints have been made by Commons workers, that's just under 15% of all Conservative male MPs. It's legitimate to talk about a real culture problem (which may not just be a Conservative problem of course).

    Anyone else think this could lead to a number of by-elections over the next 12-18 months?
    Just like expenses didn’t!
    Expenses did lead to a few by elections, when the MPs were convicted.
  • TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    Sandpit said:

    TGOHF said:

    Jezza looking dafter by the week

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/815836/jeremy-corbyn-prime-minister-by-christmas

    'I could be in No 10 by Christmas' Jeremy Corbyn insists he can oust Theresa May.

    "GLOATING Jeremy Corbyn today insisted that he could be prime minister by Christmas."

    Can we bet on that?

    He does know that the DUP abstaining gives the Tories a majority of the MPs who take their seats?
    Even if there was a GE there isn't much time to get it done this year.
    Old news alert!...

    You guys are all missing the fact that the Express article is dated 11th June 2017 !!
    It shows how far JC was from reality if he thought the Cons would self destruct.

    The guy is thick, clueless and his ego has ballooned out of control.

    Sounds like Liam Fox and David Davis.
  • Actually thinking about it, the recall law could trigger a few by elections without the need for criminal convictions.
  • Future Tory Leader here, he's in tune with young voters.


    https://twitter.com/MattHancock/status/924952312740794369
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,880
    edited October 2017

    If there are 36 Conservative male MPs of whom complaints have been made by Commons workers, that's just under 15% of all Conservative male MPs. It's legitimate to talk about a real culture problem (which may not just be a Conservative problem of course).

    Anyone else think this could lead to a number of by-elections over the next 12-18 months?
    Just like expenses didn’t!
    Expenses did lead to a few by elections, when the MPs were convicted.
    True, but I was thinking of the last round! Election expenses.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,880

    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    Sandpit said:

    TGOHF said:

    Jezza looking dafter by the week

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/815836/jeremy-corbyn-prime-minister-by-christmas

    'I could be in No 10 by Christmas' Jeremy Corbyn insists he can oust Theresa May.

    "GLOATING Jeremy Corbyn today insisted that he could be prime minister by Christmas."

    Can we bet on that?

    He does know that the DUP abstaining gives the Tories a majority of the MPs who take their seats?
    Even if there was a GE there isn't much time to get it done this year.
    Old news alert!...

    You guys are all missing the fact that the Express article is dated 11th June 2017 !!
    It shows how far JC was from reality if he thought the Cons would self destruct.

    The guy is thick, clueless and his ego has ballooned out of control.

    Sounds like Liam Fox and David Davis.
    I told the Tory MP I was talking to that JC becoming PM with the present House would mean a Tory split and was assured they wouldn’t. And history says they don’t!
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,849
    edited October 2017

    If there are 36 Conservative male MPs of whom complaints have been made by Commons workers, that's just under 15% of all Conservative male MPs. It's legitimate to talk about a real culture problem (which may not just be a Conservative problem of course).

    Anyone else think this could lead to a number of by-elections over the next 12-18 months?
    Just like expenses didn’t!
    But only because the next GE was bound to happen within a year. More than 20 MPs across the parties agreed to stand down or were deselected for the next election.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,849

    Future Tory Leader here, he's in tune with young voters.


    https://twitter.com/MattHancock/status/924952312740794369

    Just the hurdle of the Tory membership to overcome first then. :smile:
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,224

    DavidL said:

    I expect that there are quite a few men in the public eye who are feeling rather nervous today.

    We’re going on a bear witch hunt. I’m not scared.
    Personally, if I'd made a drunken pass at a 14 year old boy in my bedroom, I think I'd remember it even at 30 years' distance.
    Unless it was a not-uncommon event.......I think it's fair to say that in seeking to dig himself out of one hole, Mr Spacey has dug himself another one.....
  • Future Tory Leader here, he's in tune with young voters.


    https://twitter.com/MattHancock/status/924952312740794369

    You see there's my problem.

    I just don't think my love of country could chime with the voters. Or at least, not British ones.

    Not helped by the fact most people can't name a country song less than twenty years old.
  • They've really gone too far now.

    'You know, Radiohead is a fine band, but they stole everything from Coldplay. Like Radiohead is the poor man's Coldplay.'

    http://tinyurl.com/yauuyonp

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,074
    Mr. Eagles, hmm. Didn't even realise the recall law went through. How does it work? 10,000 condemnatory tweets triggers a by-election?
  • Mr. Eagles, hmm. Didn't even realise the recall law went through. How does it work? 10,000 condemnatory tweets triggers a by-election?

    The Bill provides for a recall petition to be triggered if a Member is sentenced to a prison term or is suspended from the House for at least 21 sitting days. If either occurred, the Speaker would give notice to a petition officer, who in turn would give notice to parliamentary electors in the constituency.

    A petition would then be open for signing for eight weeks. If at the end of that period at least 10 per cent of eligible electors had signed the petition, the seat would be declared vacant and a by-election would follow. The Member who was recalled could stand in the by-election.

    https://services.parliament.uk/bills/2014-15/recallofmps.html
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,062

    DavidL said:

    I expect that there are quite a few men in the public eye who are feeling rather nervous today.

    We’re going on a bear witch hunt. I’m not scared.
    Personally, if I'd made a drunken pass at a 14 year old boy in my bedroom, I think I'd remember it even at 30 years' distance.
    Unless it was a not-uncommon event.......I think it's fair to say that in seeking to dig himself out of one hole, Mr Spacey has dug himself another one.....
    I wish they'd stick to politicians and leave talented thespians out of this witch-hunt
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,949

    Sandpit said:

    F1: blimey. Betfair already has the 2018 title markets up.

    Not really got going yet. Put down 230 for Alonso.

    Interestingly, Ladbrokes, which also has a market, has McLaren and Renault drivers shorter than Force India. It's a shame the latter don't have a bit more cash.

    I think it's too soon for Renault. They need a bit more time, in my view. None of the Ladbrokes odds tempt me at the moment.

    Edited extra bit: I should clarify, those are the odds, not my stake, on Alonso :p

    The BBC this am seemed to have gone into Lewis Hamilton overdrive (not as good as the Bachman Turner sort), suggesting that Hamilton could equal Schumacher's record of 7 titles by 2020. Shades of English footie team chicken counting hype?

    Not that I'm suggesting Hamilton isn't vastly more capable than the current English football team.
    Good news - I’m on Lewis for SPOTY at 10/1.
    It does seem like Hamilton is the current default go-to for SPOTY when no one else shines. Only other person i can think of is Chris Froome for winning the TDF
    Isn't there some boxer or other as well ?

  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,214
    edited October 2017

    Actually thinking about it, the recall law could trigger a few by elections without the need for criminal convictions.

    s1 (4) of the Recall of MPs Act 2015 allows a recall if:
    "The second recall condition is that, following on from a report from the Committee on Standards in relation to the MP, the House of Commons orders the suspension of the MP from the service of the House for a specified period of the requisite length."
    (5) A specified period is “of the requisite length” for the purposes of subsection (4) if—
    (a) where the period is expressed as a number of sitting days, the period specified is of at least 10 sitting days, or
    (b) in any other case, the period specified (however expressed) is a period of at least 14 days."

    So any suspension of 14 days or more is enough. If the condition is met the Speaker must notify the returning officer in the relevant constituency unless an election is due within 6 months.

    Are the Whips really going to let MPs suffer such a fate in a minority government?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,074
    Mr. Eagles, that actually sounds relatively sensible. Cheers.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,949

    Future Tory Leader here, he's in tune with young voters.


    https://twitter.com/MattHancock/status/924952312740794369

    You see there's my problem.

    I just don't think my love of country could chime with the voters. Or at least, not British ones.

    Not helped by the fact most people can't name a country song less than twenty years old.
    Just say "I love my country - what's wrong with that ?" ... should get you through.

  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,880
    edited October 2017
  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382
    Sandpit said:

    https://order-order.com/2017/10/30/vince-cables-stunning-harassment-hypocrisy/Vince Cable seems to have conveniently forgotten about Chris Rennard.

    The good news for the yellows,is that there will be very few if any, current Lib Dem MPs implicated.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,949
    PClipp said:

    Nigelb said:

    PClipp said:

    Theresa May is safe until a) she decides she's had enough or b) Brexit looks like it will have an OK resolution. Otherwise, why would you agitiate to get the top job - and walk straight into a kicking from the voters? Being remembered as the shortest ever PM who let in Jeremy Corbyn - and consequently, facilitated the UK's biggest ever economic disaster - hardly an attractive epitaph is it, Boris?
    Theresa May: on and on..... Nailed on.

    I rather thought were were already facing the UK`s biggest ever economic disaster... 100% home-made by the Conservative Party...
    I think the electorate need to take a little of the responsibility ?
    No good voting for Brexit and then complaining, should it kill growth for a few years (though it's entirely fair to say the current lot are making a horlicks of the negotiations with the EU). And you can't entirely blame the government for the continuing rise in household debt.
    I accept that, up to a point. However, it was the stupid Conservatives who set up the Brexit referendum, with a meaningless question, which left room for any number of damaging interpretations afterwards - and all to keep together the unholy alliance which is the Conservative Party.

    They would have done better to grasp the nettle years ago, and decide whether they were a progressive party with an international outlook and a growing economy; or a party still yearning for Victorian social values, and an unfounded belief in their own entitlement. And then split.

    We might then have had a proper re-alignment of British politics. Instead we have two over-large unstable coalitions masquerading as Labour and Conservatives. And when it comes to election time, they both fight on both sides of the argument. And we end up with the most unstable government anybody could ever imagine.
    Quite - it was only the '100%' bit I objected to. That seems to let the electorate off way too lightly from any responsibility for the consequences of their votes.

  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,518
    TOPPING said:

    Sandpit said:

    https://order-order.com/2017/10/30/vince-cables-stunning-harassment-hypocrisy/Vince Cable seems to have conveniently forgotten about Chris Rennard.

    He handled it as well as he could have done on Pienaar yesterday. No story really.
    Why is it no story that the party leader’s out campaigning with a known sex pest?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,074
    Mr. B, any idea why Joshua's odds are so short?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,949
    DavidL said:

    I expect that there are quite a few men in the public eye who are feeling rather nervous today.

    We’re going on a bear witch hunt....
    One way of looking at it - we might also be letting in some sunlight on the hitherto ignored mold.

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,949

    Mr. B, any idea why Joshua's odds are so short?

    None at all. The appeal of boxing utterly eludes me.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,880
    Sandpit said:

    TOPPING said:

    Sandpit said:

    https://order-order.com/2017/10/30/vince-cables-stunning-harassment-hypocrisy/Vince Cable seems to have conveniently forgotten about Chris Rennard.

    He handled it as well as he could have done on Pienaar yesterday. No story really.
    Why is it no story that the party leader’s out campaigning with a known sex pest?
    That could mean some small campaigning teams!
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,224
    Roger said:

    DavidL said:

    I expect that there are quite a few men in the public eye who are feeling rather nervous today.

    We’re going on a bear witch hunt. I’m not scared.
    Personally, if I'd made a drunken pass at a 14 year old boy in my bedroom, I think I'd remember it even at 30 years' distance.
    Unless it was a not-uncommon event.......I think it's fair to say that in seeking to dig himself out of one hole, Mr Spacey has dug himself another one.....
    I wish they'd stick to politicians and leave talented thespians out of this witch-hunt
    So the talented thespian who complained of Spacey's behaviour when he was 14 years old should have kept his mouth shut?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,108
    I have no idea of the recent history (which means no one anywhere will have any idea) and VC said, twice: he is not a part of my team.

    Economic with the actualite? Who knows but he batted it away ok enough for me.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,074
    Mr. B, although not my cup of tea, I can see why people like it. But I can't see why Joshua's odds are as short as 1.4.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,108

    Mr. B, any idea why Joshua's odds are so short?

    Because he is a cheeky chappy, he calls it as he sees it, he gets all the dynamics around boxing and his division, and the most frequent object of his criticism is himself.

    As to the boxing side, well as they say he can only beat what's in front of him and he has done that to date.
  • Bye bye Graham Brady?

    Senior Tory MPs blocked moves to give Commons researchers and secretaries extra protection from sexual harassment, it can be revealed today.

    The powerful 1922 Committee of backbenchers mobilised against an attempt made by David Cameron to create a binding code of conduct that would have included a right for staff members to seek arbitration.

    Mr Cameron attempted to persuade the Speaker and other party leaders to support the measures following a sex scandal but his move met resistance from MPs, said sources.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/revealed-backbenchers-blocked-bid-to-shield-staff-from-sex-pest-mps-a3671276.html
  • stevefstevef Posts: 1,044
    Perhaps someone can name me a prime minister who who was forced to resign by his or her party just day, or weeks or months after being re-elected by the voters as prime minister. You have 400 years worth of prime ministers to choose from.
  • sladeslade Posts: 2,091

    Sandpit said:

    F1: blimey. Betfair already has the 2018 title markets up.

    Not really got going yet. Put down 230 for Alonso.

    Interestingly, Ladbrokes, which also has a market, has McLaren and Renault drivers shorter than Force India. It's a shame the latter don't have a bit more cash.

    I think it's too soon for Renault. They need a bit more time, in my view. None of the Ladbrokes odds tempt me at the moment.

    Edited extra bit: I should clarify, those are the odds, not my stake, on Alonso :p

    The BBC this am seemed to have gone into Lewis Hamilton overdrive (not as good as the Bachman Turner sort), suggesting that Hamilton could equal Schumacher's record of 7 titles by 2020. Shades of English footie team chicken counting hype?

    Not that I'm suggesting Hamilton isn't vastly more capable than the current English football team.
    Good news - I’m on Lewis for SPOTY at 10/1.
    It does seem like Hamilton is the current default go-to for SPOTY when no one else shines. Only other person i can think of is Chris Froome for winning the TDF
    Chris Froome won the Shanghai Criterion yesterday which was regarded as an extra unofficial stage of the TDF.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,508
    Trump's awake. Something about DNC funding on his tweet feed.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,074
    Mr. Topping, both Froome and Hamilton have achieved historic triumphs this year. Hamilton's a global megastar and the country's most successful ever F1 driver. Froome won the Tour de France and, er, that other one this year.

    Both cycling and F1 have furnished winners in the past so there is a vote base for them to tap into.

    I'm not saying Joshua shouldn't be favourite, it's the shortness of the odds that surprises me.
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