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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,336
    edited October 2017
    We should do this with the SNP, I'm sure this will calm things down in Spain.
    https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/924963868937515008
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,074
    Mr. Eagles, we eagerly await your Two Tribes article on the matter.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,224
    edited October 2017
    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/924964668376010757
    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/924964741914791936

    If it is that Senior Minister Sir Alan recently described in a four letter word starting with 'c'......then now would be the safest time to sack him.....he could hardly mount a leadership challenge on the back of a sex scandal...
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,722
    Roger said:

    DavidL said:

    I expect that there are quite a few men in the public eye who are feeling rather nervous today.

    We’re going on a bear witch hunt. I’m not scared.
    Personally, if I'd made a drunken pass at a 14 year old boy in my bedroom, I think I'd remember it even at 30 years' distance.
    Unless it was a not-uncommon event.......I think it's fair to say that in seeking to dig himself out of one hole, Mr Spacey has dug himself another one.....
    I wish they'd stick to politicians and leave talented thespians out of this witch-hunt
    Why should talented thespians get a pass?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,948
    Who appointed him ?
    And isn't it a bit odd to be complaining about his credentials now ?

    As for 'lack of critical distance...' guffaw.

  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,951
    Nigelb said:

    DavidL said:

    I expect that there are quite a few men in the public eye who are feeling rather nervous today.

    We’re going on a bear witch hunt....
    One way of looking at it - we might also be letting in some sunlight on the hitherto ignored mold.

    I believe someone here referenced The Orville on the subject the other day (latest episode was essentially how they visit a planet that has trial by social media).

    I am all for the punishment of the guilty, but we are moving from a world of trial-by-media to an even more worrying one of trial-by-social-media, where a lie, misunderstanding, or exaggeration, has time to travel the world twice over before the truth has even left the starting block.

    In some corners of the web the reaction is hysterical and you can practically hear the clatter of pitchforks and torches as people are led to the gallows. Worrying times.
  • We should do this with the SNP, I'm sure this will calm things down in Spain.
    https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/924963868937515008

    And get the pound shop Rajoy to announce it.

    https://twitter.com/ArthurStramash/status/924019630599000065
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,214
    Nigelb said:

    DavidL said:

    I expect that there are quite a few men in the public eye who are feeling rather nervous today.

    We’re going on a bear witch hunt....
    One way of looking at it - we might also be letting in some sunlight on the hitherto ignored mold.

    Have we heard anything yet even close to what was alleged about Vaz last year? And he wasn't even suspended for that behaviour. Indeed the Labour Party nominated him for another position in the House and he got it.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,429
    edited October 2017
    Kevin Spacey has "come out" as gay???? :open_mouth:

    And in other shocking news the Pope has revealed himself to be Catholic!!!!!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,948

    Bye bye Graham Brady?

    Senior Tory MPs blocked moves to give Commons researchers and secretaries extra protection from sexual harassment, it can be revealed today.

    The powerful 1922 Committee of backbenchers mobilised against an attempt made by David Cameron to create a binding code of conduct that would have included a right for staff members to seek arbitration.

    Mr Cameron attempted to persuade the Speaker and other party leaders to support the measures following a sex scandal but his move met resistance from MPs, said sources.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/revealed-backbenchers-blocked-bid-to-shield-staff-from-sex-pest-mps-a3671276.html

    The Labour comment is also pretty pathetic:
    A Labour source said they changed procedures in 2014 to improve how claims of harassment, bullying and discrimination were dealt with.

    He said: “The Conservatives have always been a lot more keen to do things on a House and cross-party basis because they struggle to get things through their 1922 Committee.”


    Can they not see why such a system ought be to completely independent of party discipline ?
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    DavidL said:

    I expect that there are quite a few men in the public eye who are feeling rather nervous today.

    We’re going on a bear witch hunt....
    One way of looking at it - we might also be letting in some sunlight on the hitherto ignored mold.

    Have we heard anything yet even close to what was alleged about Vaz last year? And he wasn't even suspended for that behaviour. Indeed the Labour Party nominated him for another position in the House and he got it.
    and "Dr" John Reid... ?

  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,429
    Everyone decamp to Donald Trumps Twitter feed...

    #popcorn
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,508
    Leadsom will make statement on MPs behaviour this afternoon, Guardian reporting
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Here. We. Go.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    That said if it's for charges relating to 2012/13 it is a total damp squib and will not hurt Trump at all.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,948
    kyf_100 said:

    Nigelb said:

    DavidL said:

    I expect that there are quite a few men in the public eye who are feeling rather nervous today.

    We’re going on a bear witch hunt....
    One way of looking at it - we might also be letting in some sunlight on the hitherto ignored mold.

    I believe someone here referenced The Orville on the subject the other day (latest episode was essentially how they visit a planet that has trial by social media).

    I am all for the punishment of the guilty, but we are moving from a world of trial-by-media to an even more worrying one of trial-by-social-media, where a lie, misunderstanding, or exaggeration, has time to travel the world twice over before the truth has even left the starting block.

    In some corners of the web the reaction is hysterical and you can practically hear the clatter of pitchforks and torches as people are led to the gallows. Worrying times.
    There is that danger, but on balance I don't believe it.
    In the end, it's less about punishment of the guilty, and surely more about changing social attitudes ?

  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,214

    Leadsom will make statement on MPs behaviour this afternoon, Guardian reporting

    What could go wrong?
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    DavidL said:

    I expect that there are quite a few men in the public eye who are feeling rather nervous today.

    We’re going on a bear witch hunt....
    One way of looking at it - we might also be letting in some sunlight on the hitherto ignored mold.

    Have we heard anything yet even close to what was alleged about Vaz last year? And he wasn't even suspended for that behaviour. Indeed the Labour Party nominated him for another position in the House and he got it.
    I would put Keith Vaz in a different category. He wasn't abusing his power as an MP when seeking sex (the opposite: he sought to conceal that fact). The concern was more that it was an undeclared interest when prostitution came within his Parliamentary remit.

    That, and the fact that it was salaciously funny.
  • DavidL said:

    Leadsom will make statement on MPs behaviour this afternoon, Guardian reporting

    What could go wrong?
    As a mother...
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    DavidL said:

    Leadsom will make statement on MPs behaviour this afternoon, Guardian reporting

    What could go wrong?
    One wonders what she thinks of it all, as a mother.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,429
    Well yesterday Donald wanted someone to DO SOMETHINGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/924641278947622913


    Guess he's got his wish now? ;)
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,844
    The Spanish authorities are getting this very wrong. The move to bring criminal charges against Catalan leaders is not going to help resolve anything. Indeed it looks petty, vindictive and will only make martyrs who can exploit it for their own political benefit.

    What a mess.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,508
    GIN1138 said:

    Well yesterday Donald wanted someone to DO SOMETHINGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/924641278947622913


    Guess he's got his wish now? ;)

    For God's sake don't do something, just stand there.

    As one of his predecessors famously said.
  • Just remembered Mike's holiday starts in a few weeks time and I'm in the hot seat for over a fortnight.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,429
    Getting fired over a vibrator has got to be a first even for Westminster...
  • DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    DavidL said:

    I expect that there are quite a few men in the public eye who are feeling rather nervous today.

    We’re going on a bear witch hunt....
    One way of looking at it - we might also be letting in some sunlight on the hitherto ignored mold.

    Have we heard anything yet even close to what was alleged about Vaz last year? And he wasn't even suspended for that behaviour. Indeed the Labour Party nominated him for another position in the House and he got it.
    I would put Keith Vaz in a different category. He wasn't abusing his power as an MP when seeking sex (the opposite: he sought to conceal that fact). The concern was more that it was an undeclared interest when prostitution came within his Parliamentary remit.

    That, and the fact that it was salaciously funny.
    I was tempted to do a thread on it entitled 'Confessions of a door to door washing machine salesman'
  • GIN1138 said:

    Getting fired over a vibrator has got to be a first even for Westminster...
    To be fair, it was two vibrators.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,429

    Just remembered Mike's holiday starts in a few weeks time and I'm in the hot seat for over a fortnight.

    How many pervy Tories would have to resign to leave Theresa at risk of a no confidence vote even with the DUP? ;)
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,951
    Nigelb said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Nigelb said:

    DavidL said:

    I expect that there are quite a few men in the public eye who are feeling rather nervous today.

    We’re going on a bear witch hunt....
    One way of looking at it - we might also be letting in some sunlight on the hitherto ignored mold.

    I believe someone here referenced The Orville on the subject the other day (latest episode was essentially how they visit a planet that has trial by social media).

    I am all for the punishment of the guilty, but we are moving from a world of trial-by-media to an even more worrying one of trial-by-social-media, where a lie, misunderstanding, or exaggeration, has time to travel the world twice over before the truth has even left the starting block.

    In some corners of the web the reaction is hysterical and you can practically hear the clatter of pitchforks and torches as people are led to the gallows. Worrying times.
    There is that danger, but on balance I don't believe it.
    In the end, it's less about punishment of the guilty, and surely more about changing social attitudes ?

    As many Remainers on here have pointed out - and I agree with them on this by the way - once you have handed over power to an angry mob, don't be surprised if that mob keeps on going past the point you are comfortable with.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,429
    edited October 2017

    GIN1138 said:

    Getting fired over a vibrator has got to be a first even for Westminster...
    To be fair, it was two vibrators.
    What on earth would you do with two vibrators?
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    GIN1138 said:

    Getting fired over a vibrator has got to be a first even for Westminster...
    To be fair, it was two vibrators.
    In which case there may well need to be separate probes.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,786
    GIN1138 said:

    Just remembered Mike's holiday starts in a few weeks time and I'm in the hot seat for over a fortnight.

    How many pervy Tories would have to resign to leave Theresa at risk of a no confidence vote even with the DUP? ;)
    depends how many pervy labourites there are too.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    edited October 2017
    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Getting fired over a vibrator has got to be a first even for Westminster...
    To be fair, it was two vibrators.
    What on earth would you do with two?
    I've led a sheltered life. Better ask TSE.

    Edit: On second thoughts, better not.
  • GIN1138 said:

    Getting fired over a vibrator has got to be a first even for Westminster...
    To be fair, it was two vibrators.
    In which case there may well need to be separate probes.
    He's getting bad vibes from the PM today.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,849
    These 'shared a platform' attacks never really result in much though do they? Anyone who has been on BBC QT is likely to have 'shared a platform' with some odd bedfellows.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,429

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Getting fired over a vibrator has got to be a first even for Westminster...
    To be fair, it was two vibrators.
    What on earth would you do with two?
    I've led a sheltered life. Better ask TSE.

    Edit: On second thoughts, better not.
    :D
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,336
    edited October 2017
    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Getting fired over a vibrator has got to be a first even for Westminster...
    To be fair, it was two vibrators.
    What on earth would you do with two vibrators?
    For a variety of reasons, off the top off my head

    1) Double penetration

    2) One in each hole

    3) One for her, one for you.

    4) If you're participating with more than one lady

    I'm sure there are other reasons.
  • OchEyeOchEye Posts: 1,469
    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    Sandpit said:

    TGOHF said:

    Jezza looking dafter by the week

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/815836/jeremy-corbyn-prime-minister-by-christmas

    'I could be in No 10 by Christmas' Jeremy Corbyn insists he can oust Theresa May.

    "GLOATING Jeremy Corbyn today insisted that he could be prime minister by Christmas."

    Can we bet on that?

    He does know that the DUP abstaining gives the Tories a majority of the MPs who take their seats?
    Even if there was a GE there isn't much time to get it done this year.
    Old news alert!...

    You guys are all missing the fact that the Express article is dated 11th June 2017 !!
    It shows how far JC was from reality if he thought the Cons would self destruct.

    The guy is thick, clueless and his ego has ballooned out of control.

    The Tories are desperately hanging together as they have realised that is just what might happen to them if they don't.....
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,429

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Getting fired over a vibrator has got to be a first even for Westminster...
    To be fair, it was two vibrators.
    What on earth would you do with two vibrators?
    For a variety of reasons, off the top off my head

    1) Double penetration

    2) One in each hole

    3) One for her, one for you.

    4) If you're participating with more than one lady

    I'm sure there are other reasons.

    Good grief I've led a sheltered life... ;)
  • A pun so brilliant, you'd think I came up with it.

    https://twitter.com/BristOliver/status/924972457294954497
  • It is the lagershed somewhere on the planet isn't it?
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    OchEye said:

    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    Sandpit said:

    TGOHF said:

    Jezza looking dafter by the week

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/815836/jeremy-corbyn-prime-minister-by-christmas

    'I could be in No 10 by Christmas' Jeremy Corbyn insists he can oust Theresa May.

    "GLOATING Jeremy Corbyn today insisted that he could be prime minister by Christmas."

    Can we bet on that?

    He does know that the DUP abstaining gives the Tories a majority of the MPs who take their seats?
    Even if there was a GE there isn't much time to get it done this year.
    Old news alert!...

    You guys are all missing the fact that the Express article is dated 11th June 2017 !!
    It shows how far JC was from reality if he thought the Cons would self destruct.

    The guy is thick, clueless and his ego has ballooned out of control.

    The Tories are desperately hanging together as they have realised that is just what might happen to them if they don't.....
    Some hard right Conservative MPs will need to ponder carefully whether they would prefer their version of Brexit with Jeremy Corbyn in power or whether they would prefer to settle for a softer Brexit with a better chance of keeping him out.

    It'll be intriguing to see which way they jump.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,633
    Dildogate.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,074
    Mr. Pulpstar, at least no-one's being gagged.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,849
    In other news: Damning indictment of 7 years of Tory economic mismanagement in the IFS budget preview today.

    https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/10010

    The concept of Tory economic competence is becoming a distant memory now.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Pulpstar said:

    Dildogate.

    The original Watergate had a Deep Throat. After that, no one is going to be too tickled by a couple of rampant rabbits.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,849

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Getting fired over a vibrator has got to be a first even for Westminster...
    To be fair, it was two vibrators.
    What on earth would you do with two vibrators?
    For a variety of reasons, off the top off my head

    1) Double penetration

    2) One in each hole

    3) One for her, one for you.

    4) If you're participating with more than one lady

    I'm sure there are other reasons.
    That's four more reasons than I care to think about before lunch!
  • Pulpstar said:

    Dildogate.

    There's a difference between a dildo and a vibrator.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    A pun so brilliant, you'd think I came up with formulated it.

    https://twitter.com/BristOliver/status/924972457294954497

    ITFY
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,633
    Does anyone have any self control in parliament ?
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    3/1 an election next year? Looks too short for me but this is very volatile stuff.
  • Pulpstar said:

    Does anyone have any self control in parliament ?
    It's those bloody subsidised bars that are a nuisance.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,062
    edited October 2017

    Roger said:

    DavidL said:

    I expect that there are quite a few men in the public eye who are feeling rather nervous today.

    We’re going on a bear witch hunt. I’m not scared.
    Personally, if I'd made a drunken pass at a 14 year old boy in my bedroom, I think I'd remember it even at 30 years' distance.
    Unless it was a not-uncommon event.......I think it's fair to say that in seeking to dig himself out of one hole, Mr Spacey has dug himself another one.....
    I wish they'd stick to politicians and leave talented thespians out of this witch-hunt
    So the talented thespian who complained of Spacey's behaviour when he was 14 years old should have kept his mouth shut?
    I expect worst things happen to most fourteen year old boys than being propositioned by a famous actor or actress. And If he wanted an interesting story to tell his chums he'd got one.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,609
    edited October 2017
    Why is it 'devastating for May'? She is probably about the most personally upstanding in her personal life of the lot and these allegations will go back through the Cameron years and maybe beyond and cover Labour MPs and LDs too if the reports are anything to go by
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    A pun so brilliant, you'd think I came up with it.

    https://twitter.com/BristOliver/status/924972457294954497

    I am sure you will!

    If an idea is good, it is worth stealing.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,609

    In other news: Damning indictment of 7 years of Tory economic mismanagement in the IFS budget preview today.

    https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/10010

    The concept of Tory economic competence is becoming a distant memory now.

    What unemployment now haf the level Labour left and the deficit also down?
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,844
    HYUFD said:

    Why is it 'devastating for May'? She is probably about the most personally upstanding in her personal life of the lot and these allegations will go back through the Cameron years and maybe beyond and cover Labour MPs and LDs too if the reports are anything to go by
    And which self-respecting MP would ever talk to Robert Peston???
  • 3/1 an election next year? Looks too short for me but this is very volatile stuff.

    IDS all thinks we're headed for an early election too, but for different reasons.

    Theresa May was threatened with a snap general election today if she is defeated by Parliament on her Brexit deal.

    Tory right wingers raised the “nuclear threat” of a forced election in what was seen as an attempt to see off calls to empower the Commons to amend the deal or call for fresh negotiations.

    Iain Duncan Smith, the former Conservative leader and leading Brexit-backer, said it would be on “a confidence issue” and defeat would make the Government “head towards” a general election.

    “It will be the most important vote of the entire Parliament and if the Government loses it you head towards that conclusion,” he told the Evening Standard.

    Mrs May is aiming to hammer out a leaving deal with the EU by October or November next year.


    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/pm-faces-snap-election-if-she-is-defeated-by-parliament-on-brexit-deal-a3671176.html
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    DavidL said:

    I expect that there are quite a few men in the public eye who are feeling rather nervous today.

    We’re going on a bear witch hunt. I’m not scared.
    Personally, if I'd made a drunken pass at a 14 year old boy in my bedroom, I think I'd remember it even at 30 years' distance.
    Unless it was a not-uncommon event.......I think it's fair to say that in seeking to dig himself out of one hole, Mr Spacey has dug himself another one.....
    I wish they'd stick to politicians and leave talented thespians out of this witch-hunt
    So the talented thespian who complained of Spacey's behaviour when he was 14 years old should have kept his mouth shut?
    I expect worst things happen to most fourteen year old boys than being propositioned by a famous actor or actress. And If he wanted an interesting story to tell his chums he'd got one.
    How far should really good actors be allowed to go with 14 year olds?
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,406
    edited October 2017
    If it really is 3 dozen Tory MPs, then it isn't going to be 0 from the other parties. Who else is going to be in trouble?

    Mr. B, any idea why Joshua's odds are so short?

    I laid him to win a while back - odds have moved against me since then so looks a bad bet in hindsight.

    I've also backed him to be in the top 3 as a kind of hedge...
  • HYUFD said:

    Why is it 'devastating for May'? She is probably about the most personally upstanding in her personal life of the lot and these allegations will go back through the Cameron years and maybe beyond and cover Labour MPs and LDs too if the reports are anything to go by
    For May the big risk is that the story moves to how long she has known about the alleged misconduct, via her whip's office, and why she didn't move earlier to deter and punish.

    Since time immemorial prime ministers and their whips have gathered intelligence about the flaws and transgressions of MPs as a way of enforcing loyalty. But that is not a good look for a prime minister who has said so much about wanting to stamp out gender discrimination, bullying and the abuse of the vulnerable.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,880
    HYUFD said:

    Why is it 'devastating for May'? She is probably about the most personally upstanding in her personal life of the lot and these allegations will go back through the Cameron years and maybe beyond and cover Labour MPs and LDs too if the reports are anything to go by
    Seems unlikely it’d be current LD MP’s.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,406
    HYUFD said:

    Why is it 'devastating for May'? She is probably about the most personally upstanding in her personal life of the lot and these allegations will go back through the Cameron years and maybe beyond and cover Labour MPs and LDs too if the reports are anything to go by
    Indeed.
    If anything there's better than decent odds that these revelations will damage some of her would-be successors.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,609

    HYUFD said:

    Why is it 'devastating for May'? She is probably about the most personally upstanding in her personal life of the lot and these allegations will go back through the Cameron years and maybe beyond and cover Labour MPs and LDs too if the reports are anything to go by
    Seems unlikely it’d be current LD MP’s.
    Certainly at least 1 LD Peer according to today's Metro
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,844

    HYUFD said:

    Why is it 'devastating for May'? She is probably about the most personally upstanding in her personal life of the lot and these allegations will go back through the Cameron years and maybe beyond and cover Labour MPs and LDs too if the reports are anything to go by
    Seems unlikely it’d be current LD MP’s.
    They still have Rennard running round helping - the LDs are no cleaner than any other party when it comes to this sort of thing. What they do have is a Leader who has brought back a known pest into his inner circle.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,880
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Why is it 'devastating for May'? She is probably about the most personally upstanding in her personal life of the lot and these allegations will go back through the Cameron years and maybe beyond and cover Labour MPs and LDs too if the reports are anything to go by
    Seems unlikely it’d be current LD MP’s.
    Certainly at least 1 LD Peer according to today's Metro
    Peers aren’t elected!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,609
    rkrkrk said:

    HYUFD said:

    Why is it 'devastating for May'? She is probably about the most personally upstanding in her personal life of the lot and these allegations will go back through the Cameron years and maybe beyond and cover Labour MPs and LDs too if the reports are anything to go by
    Indeed.
    If anything there's better than decent odds that these revelations will damage some of her would-be successors.
    Agreed and even if not the mood may not be for the blonde bombshell with a weakness for the ladies
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,609

    HYUFD said:

    Why is it 'devastating for May'? She is probably about the most personally upstanding in her personal life of the lot and these allegations will go back through the Cameron years and maybe beyond and cover Labour MPs and LDs too if the reports are anything to go by
    For May the big risk is that the story moves to how long she has known about the alleged misconduct, via her whip's office, and why she didn't move earlier to deter and punish.

    Since time immemorial prime ministers and their whips have gathered intelligence about the flaws and transgressions of MPs as a way of enforcing loyalty. But that is not a good look for a prime minister who has said so much about wanting to stamp out gender discrimination, bullying and the abuse of the vulnerable.
    Cameron obviously knew about it too, Corbyn clearly knew about cases on the Labour side as well in all likelihood as identified by John Mann.
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172

    HYUFD said:

    Why is it 'devastating for May'? She is probably about the most personally upstanding in her personal life of the lot and these allegations will go back through the Cameron years and maybe beyond and cover Labour MPs and LDs too if the reports are anything to go by
    Seems unlikely it’d be current LD MP’s.
    Given the very small size of the LD Parliamentary party during the 70s and 80s, it is kind of incredible they had Cyril Smith, Clement Freud, Jeremy Thorpe and Peter Bessel as MPs. Two acknowledged paedophiles, one bunny-lover, and one convicted fraudster,

    I mean, during that epoch. any random collection of 10 people would surely be more honest and law-abiding than the LD Parliamentary party.

    So, I wouldn't be too confident that just because there are not many LD MPs now, there are no wrong'uns.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,844

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Why is it 'devastating for May'? She is probably about the most personally upstanding in her personal life of the lot and these allegations will go back through the Cameron years and maybe beyond and cover Labour MPs and LDs too if the reports are anything to go by
    Seems unlikely it’d be current LD MP’s.
    Certainly at least 1 LD Peer according to today's Metro
    Peers aren’t elected!
    They are appointed - which is worse.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,609

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Why is it 'devastating for May'? She is probably about the most personally upstanding in her personal life of the lot and these allegations will go back through the Cameron years and maybe beyond and cover Labour MPs and LDs too if the reports are anything to go by
    Seems unlikely it’d be current LD MP’s.
    Certainly at least 1 LD Peer according to today's Metro
    Peers aren’t elected!
    They still represent the party in Parliament
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Peston turning into Anthony King.

  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Why is it 'devastating for May'? She is probably about the most personally upstanding in her personal life of the lot and these allegations will go back through the Cameron years and maybe beyond and cover Labour MPs and LDs too if the reports are anything to go by
    Seems unlikely it’d be current LD MP’s.
    Certainly at least 1 LD Peer according to today's Metro
    And now reported as rife in the Scottish Parliament.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,880

    HYUFD said:

    Why is it 'devastating for May'? She is probably about the most personally upstanding in her personal life of the lot and these allegations will go back through the Cameron years and maybe beyond and cover Labour MPs and LDs too if the reports are anything to go by
    Seems unlikely it’d be current LD MP’s.
    Given the very small size of the LD Parliamentary party during the 70s and 80s, it is kind of incredible they had Cyril Smith, Clement Freud, Jeremy Thorpe and Peter Bessel as MPs. Two acknowledged paedophiles, one bunny-lover, and one convicted fraudster,

    I mean, during that epoch. any random collection of 10 people would surely be more honest and law-abiding than the LD Parliamentary party.

    So, I wouldn't be too confident that just because there are not many LD MPs now, there are no wrong'uns.
    I always think there’s something very odd about the Smith case. I know men in Rochdale who were boys when Smith was in his prime who won’t hear a word said against him. And I was in and aroound Rochdale when Smith jumped ship from Labour and while there was a lot of vitriol being splashed about there was nothing at all of a sexual nature.
    Might have been associated guilt from Labour, but I don’t think so. And Tory councillors said nothing, either.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,609
    edited October 2017

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Why is it 'devastating for May'? She is probably about the most personally upstanding in her personal life of the lot and these allegations will go back through the Cameron years and maybe beyond and cover Labour MPs and LDs too if the reports are anything to go by
    Seems unlikely it’d be current LD MP’s.
    Certainly at least 1 LD Peer according to today's Metro
    And now reported as rife in the Scottish Parliament.
    The Sunday Times also reported there were instances of harassment in the European Parliament too and of course there have been instances in Congress in the past, allegations against the current POTUS and now some key players in Hollywood and the arts.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Future Tory Leader here, he's in tune with young voters.


    https://twitter.com/MattHancock/status/924952312740794369

    You see there's my problem.

    I just don't think my love of country could chime with the voters. Or at least, not British ones.

    Not helped by the fact most people can't name a country song less than twenty years old.
    Anything (pre-Red) by Taylor Swift?
  • I know politics is showbiz for ugly people, but has there ever been a weirder looking political crew (from Don down) than the Trump lot? Manafort resembles one of the aliens wearing a human suit from Men in Black.

    https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/924977818777341954
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,912
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Why is it 'devastating for May'? She is probably about the most personally upstanding in her personal life of the lot and these allegations will go back through the Cameron years and maybe beyond and cover Labour MPs and LDs too if the reports are anything to go by
    For May the big risk is that the story moves to how long she has known about the alleged misconduct, via her whip's office, and why she didn't move earlier to deter and punish.

    Since time immemorial prime ministers and their whips have gathered intelligence about the flaws and transgressions of MPs as a way of enforcing loyalty. But that is not a good look for a prime minister who has said so much about wanting to stamp out gender discrimination, bullying and the abuse of the vulnerable.
    Cameron obviously knew about it too, Corbyn clearly knew about cases on the Labour side as well in all likelihood as identified by John Mann.
    There were plenty of people in parliament and the wider media who 'knew' about Lord McAlpine's alleged transgressions. He suffered more than a decade of nudge-nudge, wink-wink behind his back, all of which turned out to be rubbish.

    The problem, whether sexual shenanigans or sexual misdemeanours, is that too many of our politicians are utterly unprofessional. And this creates a culture where only people who are willing to put up with this unprofessionalism, or are willing to take part in it, become politicians.
  • Carolus_RexCarolus_Rex Posts: 1,414

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Why is it 'devastating for May'? She is probably about the most personally upstanding in her personal life of the lot and these allegations will go back through the Cameron years and maybe beyond and cover Labour MPs and LDs too if the reports are anything to go by
    Seems unlikely it’d be current LD MP’s.
    Certainly at least 1 LD Peer according to today's Metro
    Peers aren’t elected!
    Ironically, hereditary peers are.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,866

    HYUFD said:

    Why is it 'devastating for May'? She is probably about the most personally upstanding in her personal life of the lot and these allegations will go back through the Cameron years and maybe beyond and cover Labour MPs and LDs too if the reports are anything to go by
    Seems unlikely it’d be current LD MP’s.
    Given the very small size of the LD Parliamentary party during the 70s and 80s, it is kind of incredible they had Cyril Smith, Clement Freud, Jeremy Thorpe and Peter Bessel as MPs. Two acknowledged paedophiles, one bunny-lover, and one convicted fraudster,

    I mean, during that epoch. any random collection of 10 people would surely be more honest and law-abiding than the LD Parliamentary party.

    So, I wouldn't be too confident that just because there are not many LD MPs now, there are no wrong'uns.
    The LibDems are lucky that - of their 12 MPs - only about six have been in parliament long enough.
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Why is it 'devastating for May'? She is probably about the most personally upstanding in her personal life of the lot and these allegations will go back through the Cameron years and maybe beyond and cover Labour MPs and LDs too if the reports are anything to go by
    Seems unlikely it’d be current LD MP’s.
    Certainly at least 1 LD Peer according to today's Metro
    Peers aren’t elected!
    Ironically, hereditary peers are.
    Those hereditary peers are elected using AV, the finest voting system known to man.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    DavidL said:

    I expect that there are quite a few men in the public eye who are feeling rather nervous today.

    We’re going on a bear witch hunt. I’m not scared.
    Personally, if I'd made a drunken pass at a 14 year old boy in my bedroom, I think I'd remember it even at 30 years' distance.
    Unless it was a not-uncommon event.......I think it's fair to say that in seeking to dig himself out of one hole, Mr Spacey has dug himself another one.....
    I wish they'd stick to politicians and leave talented thespians out of this witch-hunt
    So the talented thespian who complained of Spacey's behaviour when he was 14 years old should have kept his mouth shut?
    I expect worst things happen to most fourteen year old boys than being propositioned by a famous actor or actress. And If he wanted an interesting story to tell his chums he'd got one.
    It is an odd story.

    Who lets a 14 year old unchaperoned stay at a drunken party?

    Nothing new about predatory behaviour in this context.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,406
    Roger said:



    I expect worst things happen to most fourteen year old boys than being propositioned by a famous actor or actress. And If he wanted an interesting story to tell his chums he'd got one.

    Obviously, obviously, it's not okay for adults to knowingly proposition children.
  • Labour's Rupa Huq just said in the 90's she experieced an MEP in the European Parliament with wandering hands and she didn't say anything about it at the time, but went on to say she was saying this for the first time in this interview

    The interviewer went on to say that it was brave of her to speak of that example and that she could hugely set an example as an electrd Parliamentarian by going through the legal process so the MEP faces the full force of the law

    Her reaction was it was sort of historic but it is happening now and simply would not identify the alleged MEP.

    It is amazing how when push comes to shove nothing happens
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,508
    The UKIP voters went to Labour from those figures. Odd.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    Labour's Rupa Huq just said in the 90's she experieced an MEP in the European Parliament with wandering hands and she didn't say anything about it at the time, but went on to say she was saying this for the first time in this interview

    The interviewer went on to say that it was brave of her to speak of that example and that she could hugely set an example as an electrd Parliamentarian by going through the legal process so the MEP faces the full force of the law

    Her reaction was it was sort of historic but it is happening now and simply would not identify the alleged MEP.

    It is amazing how when push comes to shove nothing happens

    Nails down which party the handsy MEP was from then doesn't it ?
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,844

    Labour's Rupa Huq just said in the 90's she experieced an MEP in the European Parliament with wandering hands and she didn't say anything about it at the time, but went on to say she was saying this for the first time in this interview

    The interviewer went on to say that it was brave of her to speak of that example and that she could hugely set an example as an electrd Parliamentarian by going through the legal process so the MEP faces the full force of the law

    Her reaction was it was sort of historic but it is happening now and simply would not identify the alleged MEP.

    It is amazing how when push comes to shove nothing happens

    If we don't get proper allegations made to the appropriate authorities, we won't get to really understand the scale of the problem.

    Holding a news conference or talking in an interview is not the right way to do things. Even with historical allegations.

    Complaints should be made to employers and/or police - not to a journalist.
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