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We should do this with the SNP, I'm sure this will calm things down in Spain.
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Mr. Eagles, we eagerly await your Two Tribes article on the matter.0
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https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/924964668376010757
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/924964741914791936
If it is that Senior Minister Sir Alan recently described in a four letter word starting with 'c'......then now would be the safest time to sack him.....he could hardly mount a leadership challenge on the back of a sex scandal...0 -
Why should talented thespians get a pass?Roger said:
I wish they'd stick to politicians and leave talented thespians out of this witch-huntCarlottaVance said:
Unless it was a not-uncommon event.......I think it's fair to say that in seeking to dig himself out of one hole, Mr Spacey has dug himself another one.....AlastairMeeks said:
Personally, if I'd made a drunken pass at a 14 year old boy in my bedroom, I think I'd remember it even at 30 years' distance.DavidL said:
We’re going on aAlastairMeeks said:I expect that there are quite a few men in the public eye who are feeling rather nervous today.
bearwitch hunt. I’m not scared.0 -
Who appointed him ?CarlottaVance said:
And isn't it a bit odd to be complaining about his credentials now ?
As for 'lack of critical distance...' guffaw.
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I believe someone here referenced The Orville on the subject the other day (latest episode was essentially how they visit a planet that has trial by social media).Nigelb said:
One way of looking at it - we might also be letting in some sunlight on the hitherto ignored mold.DavidL said:
We’re going on aAlastairMeeks said:I expect that there are quite a few men in the public eye who are feeling rather nervous today.
bearwitch hunt....
I am all for the punishment of the guilty, but we are moving from a world of trial-by-media to an even more worrying one of trial-by-social-media, where a lie, misunderstanding, or exaggeration, has time to travel the world twice over before the truth has even left the starting block.
In some corners of the web the reaction is hysterical and you can practically hear the clatter of pitchforks and torches as people are led to the gallows. Worrying times.0 -
And get the pound shop Rajoy to announce it.TheScreamingEagles said:We should do this with the SNP, I'm sure this will calm things down in Spain.
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/924963868937515008
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Have we heard anything yet even close to what was alleged about Vaz last year? And he wasn't even suspended for that behaviour. Indeed the Labour Party nominated him for another position in the House and he got it.Nigelb said:
One way of looking at it - we might also be letting in some sunlight on the hitherto ignored mold.DavidL said:
We’re going on aAlastairMeeks said:I expect that there are quite a few men in the public eye who are feeling rather nervous today.
bearwitch hunt....0 -
Kevin Spacey has "come out" as gay????
And in other shocking news the Pope has revealed himself to be Catholic!!!!!0 -
The Labour comment is also pretty pathetic:TheScreamingEagles said:Bye bye Graham Brady?
Senior Tory MPs blocked moves to give Commons researchers and secretaries extra protection from sexual harassment, it can be revealed today.
The powerful 1922 Committee of backbenchers mobilised against an attempt made by David Cameron to create a binding code of conduct that would have included a right for staff members to seek arbitration.
Mr Cameron attempted to persuade the Speaker and other party leaders to support the measures following a sex scandal but his move met resistance from MPs, said sources.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/revealed-backbenchers-blocked-bid-to-shield-staff-from-sex-pest-mps-a3671276.html
A Labour source said they changed procedures in 2014 to improve how claims of harassment, bullying and discrimination were dealt with.
He said: “The Conservatives have always been a lot more keen to do things on a House and cross-party basis because they struggle to get things through their 1922 Committee.”
Can they not see why such a system ought be to completely independent of party discipline ?
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and "Dr" John Reid... ?DavidL said:
Have we heard anything yet even close to what was alleged about Vaz last year? And he wasn't even suspended for that behaviour. Indeed the Labour Party nominated him for another position in the House and he got it.Nigelb said:
One way of looking at it - we might also be letting in some sunlight on the hitherto ignored mold.DavidL said:
We’re going on aAlastairMeeks said:I expect that there are quite a few men in the public eye who are feeling rather nervous today.
bearwitch hunt....
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Leadsom will make statement on MPs behaviour this afternoon, Guardian reporting0
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Here. We. Go.0
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That said if it's for charges relating to 2012/13 it is a total damp squib and will not hurt Trump at all.0
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There is that danger, but on balance I don't believe it.kyf_100 said:
I believe someone here referenced The Orville on the subject the other day (latest episode was essentially how they visit a planet that has trial by social media).Nigelb said:
One way of looking at it - we might also be letting in some sunlight on the hitherto ignored mold.DavidL said:
We’re going on aAlastairMeeks said:I expect that there are quite a few men in the public eye who are feeling rather nervous today.
bearwitch hunt....
I am all for the punishment of the guilty, but we are moving from a world of trial-by-media to an even more worrying one of trial-by-social-media, where a lie, misunderstanding, or exaggeration, has time to travel the world twice over before the truth has even left the starting block.
In some corners of the web the reaction is hysterical and you can practically hear the clatter of pitchforks and torches as people are led to the gallows. Worrying times.
In the end, it's less about punishment of the guilty, and surely more about changing social attitudes ?
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What could go wrong?rottenborough said:Leadsom will make statement on MPs behaviour this afternoon, Guardian reporting
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I would put Keith Vaz in a different category. He wasn't abusing his power as an MP when seeking sex (the opposite: he sought to conceal that fact). The concern was more that it was an undeclared interest when prostitution came within his Parliamentary remit.DavidL said:
Have we heard anything yet even close to what was alleged about Vaz last year? And he wasn't even suspended for that behaviour. Indeed the Labour Party nominated him for another position in the House and he got it.Nigelb said:
One way of looking at it - we might also be letting in some sunlight on the hitherto ignored mold.DavidL said:
We’re going on aAlastairMeeks said:I expect that there are quite a few men in the public eye who are feeling rather nervous today.
bearwitch hunt....
That, and the fact that it was salaciously funny.0 -
As a mother...DavidL said:
What could go wrong?rottenborough said:Leadsom will make statement on MPs behaviour this afternoon, Guardian reporting
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One wonders what she thinks of it all, as a mother.DavidL said:
What could go wrong?rottenborough said:Leadsom will make statement on MPs behaviour this afternoon, Guardian reporting
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Well yesterday Donald wanted someone to DO SOMETHINGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/924641278947622913
Guess he's got his wish now?
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The Spanish authorities are getting this very wrong. The move to bring criminal charges against Catalan leaders is not going to help resolve anything. Indeed it looks petty, vindictive and will only make martyrs who can exploit it for their own political benefit.
What a mess.0 -
For God's sake don't do something, just stand there.GIN1138 said:Well yesterday Donald wanted someone to DO SOMETHINGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/924641278947622913
Guess he's got his wish now?
As one of his predecessors famously said.0 -
Just remembered Mike's holiday starts in a few weeks time and I'm in the hot seat for over a fortnight.0
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Getting fired over a vibrator has got to be a first even for Westminster...CarlottaVance said:0 -
I was tempted to do a thread on it entitled 'Confessions of a door to door washing machine salesman'AlastairMeeks said:
I would put Keith Vaz in a different category. He wasn't abusing his power as an MP when seeking sex (the opposite: he sought to conceal that fact). The concern was more that it was an undeclared interest when prostitution came within his Parliamentary remit.DavidL said:
Have we heard anything yet even close to what was alleged about Vaz last year? And he wasn't even suspended for that behaviour. Indeed the Labour Party nominated him for another position in the House and he got it.Nigelb said:
One way of looking at it - we might also be letting in some sunlight on the hitherto ignored mold.DavidL said:
We’re going on aAlastairMeeks said:I expect that there are quite a few men in the public eye who are feeling rather nervous today.
bearwitch hunt....
That, and the fact that it was salaciously funny.0 -
To be fair, it was two vibrators.GIN1138 said:
Getting fired over a vibrator has got to be a first even for Westminster...CarlottaVance said:0 -
How many pervy Tories would have to resign to leave Theresa at risk of a no confidence vote even with the DUP?TheScreamingEagles said:Just remembered Mike's holiday starts in a few weeks time and I'm in the hot seat for over a fortnight.
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As many Remainers on here have pointed out - and I agree with them on this by the way - once you have handed over power to an angry mob, don't be surprised if that mob keeps on going past the point you are comfortable with.Nigelb said:
There is that danger, but on balance I don't believe it.kyf_100 said:
I believe someone here referenced The Orville on the subject the other day (latest episode was essentially how they visit a planet that has trial by social media).Nigelb said:
One way of looking at it - we might also be letting in some sunlight on the hitherto ignored mold.DavidL said:
We’re going on aAlastairMeeks said:I expect that there are quite a few men in the public eye who are feeling rather nervous today.
bearwitch hunt....
I am all for the punishment of the guilty, but we are moving from a world of trial-by-media to an even more worrying one of trial-by-social-media, where a lie, misunderstanding, or exaggeration, has time to travel the world twice over before the truth has even left the starting block.
In some corners of the web the reaction is hysterical and you can practically hear the clatter of pitchforks and torches as people are led to the gallows. Worrying times.
In the end, it's less about punishment of the guilty, and surely more about changing social attitudes ?0 -
What on earth would you do with two vibrators?Richard_Nabavi said:
To be fair, it was two vibrators.GIN1138 said:
Getting fired over a vibrator has got to be a first even for Westminster...CarlottaVance said:0 -
In which case there may well need to be separate probes.Richard_Nabavi said:
To be fair, it was two vibrators.GIN1138 said:
Getting fired over a vibrator has got to be a first even for Westminster...CarlottaVance said:0 -
depends how many pervy labourites there are too.GIN1138 said:
How many pervy Tories would have to resign to leave Theresa at risk of a no confidence vote even with the DUP?TheScreamingEagles said:Just remembered Mike's holiday starts in a few weeks time and I'm in the hot seat for over a fortnight.
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I've led a sheltered life. Better ask TSE.GIN1138 said:
What on earth would you do with two?Richard_Nabavi said:
To be fair, it was two vibrators.GIN1138 said:
Getting fired over a vibrator has got to be a first even for Westminster...CarlottaVance said:
Edit: On second thoughts, better not.0 -
He's getting bad vibes from the PM today.Tissue_Price said:
In which case there may well need to be separate probes.Richard_Nabavi said:
To be fair, it was two vibrators.GIN1138 said:
Getting fired over a vibrator has got to be a first even for Westminster...CarlottaVance said:0 -
She is such a delightful person.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
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These 'shared a platform' attacks never really result in much though do they? Anyone who has been on BBC QT is likely to have 'shared a platform' with some odd bedfellows.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Richard_Nabavi said:
I've led a sheltered life. Better ask TSE.GIN1138 said:
What on earth would you do with two?Richard_Nabavi said:
To be fair, it was two vibrators.GIN1138 said:
Getting fired over a vibrator has got to be a first even for Westminster...CarlottaVance said:
Edit: On second thoughts, better not.
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For a variety of reasons, off the top off my headGIN1138 said:
What on earth would you do with two vibrators?Richard_Nabavi said:
To be fair, it was two vibrators.GIN1138 said:
Getting fired over a vibrator has got to be a first even for Westminster...CarlottaVance said:
1) Double penetration
2) One in each hole
3) One for her, one for you.
4) If you're participating with more than one lady
I'm sure there are other reasons.0 -
The Tories are desperately hanging together as they have realised that is just what might happen to them if they don't.....TGOHF said:
It shows how far JC was from reality if he thought the Cons would self destruct.Benpointer said:
Old news alert!...TGOHF said:
Even if there was a GE there isn't much time to get it done this year.Sandpit said:
Can we bet on that?TGOHF said:Jezza looking dafter by the week
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/815836/jeremy-corbyn-prime-minister-by-christmas
'I could be in No 10 by Christmas' Jeremy Corbyn insists he can oust Theresa May.
"GLOATING Jeremy Corbyn today insisted that he could be prime minister by Christmas."
He does know that the DUP abstaining gives the Tories a majority of the MPs who take their seats?
You guys are all missing the fact that the Express article is dated 11th June 2017 !!
The guy is thick, clueless and his ego has ballooned out of control.0 -
TheScreamingEagles said:
For a variety of reasons, off the top off my headGIN1138 said:
What on earth would you do with two vibrators?Richard_Nabavi said:
To be fair, it was two vibrators.GIN1138 said:
Getting fired over a vibrator has got to be a first even for Westminster...CarlottaVance said:
1) Double penetration
2) One in each hole
3) One for her, one for you.
4) If you're participating with more than one lady
I'm sure there are other reasons.
Good grief I've led a sheltered life... 0 -
A pun so brilliant, you'd think I came up with it.
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It is the lagershed somewhere on the planet isn't it?0
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Some hard right Conservative MPs will need to ponder carefully whether they would prefer their version of Brexit with Jeremy Corbyn in power or whether they would prefer to settle for a softer Brexit with a better chance of keeping him out.OchEye said:
The Tories are desperately hanging together as they have realised that is just what might happen to them if they don't.....TGOHF said:
It shows how far JC was from reality if he thought the Cons would self destruct.Benpointer said:
Old news alert!...TGOHF said:
Even if there was a GE there isn't much time to get it done this year.Sandpit said:
Can we bet on that?TGOHF said:Jezza looking dafter by the week
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/815836/jeremy-corbyn-prime-minister-by-christmas
'I could be in No 10 by Christmas' Jeremy Corbyn insists he can oust Theresa May.
"GLOATING Jeremy Corbyn today insisted that he could be prime minister by Christmas."
He does know that the DUP abstaining gives the Tories a majority of the MPs who take their seats?
You guys are all missing the fact that the Express article is dated 11th June 2017 !!
The guy is thick, clueless and his ego has ballooned out of control.
It'll be intriguing to see which way they jump.0 -
Dildogate.0
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Mr. Pulpstar, at least no-one's being gagged.0
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In other news: Damning indictment of 7 years of Tory economic mismanagement in the IFS budget preview today.
https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/10010
The concept of Tory economic competence is becoming a distant memory now.0 -
The original Watergate had a Deep Throat. After that, no one is going to be too tickled by a couple of rampant rabbits.Pulpstar said:Dildogate.
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That's four more reasons than I care to think about before lunch!TheScreamingEagles said:
For a variety of reasons, off the top off my headGIN1138 said:
What on earth would you do with two vibrators?Richard_Nabavi said:
To be fair, it was two vibrators.GIN1138 said:
Getting fired over a vibrator has got to be a first even for Westminster...CarlottaVance said:
1) Double penetration
2) One in each hole
3) One for her, one for you.
4) If you're participating with more than one lady
I'm sure there are other reasons.0 -
There's a difference between a dildo and a vibrator.Pulpstar said:Dildogate.
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ITFYTheScreamingEagles said:A pun so brilliant, you'd think I came up with formulated it.
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Does anyone have any self control in parliament ?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
3/1 an election next year? Looks too short for me but this is very volatile stuff.0
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It's those bloody subsidised bars that are a nuisance.Pulpstar said:
Does anyone have any self control in parliament ?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
I expect worst things happen to most fourteen year old boys than being propositioned by a famous actor or actress. And If he wanted an interesting story to tell his chums he'd got one.CarlottaVance said:
So the talented thespian who complained of Spacey's behaviour when he was 14 years old should have kept his mouth shut?Roger said:
I wish they'd stick to politicians and leave talented thespians out of this witch-huntCarlottaVance said:
Unless it was a not-uncommon event.......I think it's fair to say that in seeking to dig himself out of one hole, Mr Spacey has dug himself another one.....AlastairMeeks said:
Personally, if I'd made a drunken pass at a 14 year old boy in my bedroom, I think I'd remember it even at 30 years' distance.DavidL said:
We’re going on aAlastairMeeks said:I expect that there are quite a few men in the public eye who are feeling rather nervous today.
bearwitch hunt. I’m not scared.
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Why is it 'devastating for May'? She is probably about the most personally upstanding in her personal life of the lot and these allegations will go back through the Cameron years and maybe beyond and cover Labour MPs and LDs too if the reports are anything to go byTheScreamingEagles said:0 -
I am sure you will!TheScreamingEagles said:A pun so brilliant, you'd think I came up with it.
https://twitter.com/BristOliver/status/924972457294954497
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What unemployment now haf the level Labour left and the deficit also down?Benpointer said:In other news: Damning indictment of 7 years of Tory economic mismanagement in the IFS budget preview today.
https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/10010
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And which self-respecting MP would ever talk to Robert Peston???HYUFD said:
Why is it 'devastating for May'? She is probably about the most personally upstanding in her personal life of the lot and these allegations will go back through the Cameron years and maybe beyond and cover Labour MPs and LDs too if the reports are anything to go byTheScreamingEagles said:0 -
IDS all thinks we're headed for an early election too, but for different reasons.Tissue_Price said:3/1 an election next year? Looks too short for me but this is very volatile stuff.
Theresa May was threatened with a snap general election today if she is defeated by Parliament on her Brexit deal.
Tory right wingers raised the “nuclear threat” of a forced election in what was seen as an attempt to see off calls to empower the Commons to amend the deal or call for fresh negotiations.
Iain Duncan Smith, the former Conservative leader and leading Brexit-backer, said it would be on “a confidence issue” and defeat would make the Government “head towards” a general election.
“It will be the most important vote of the entire Parliament and if the Government loses it you head towards that conclusion,” he told the Evening Standard.
Mrs May is aiming to hammer out a leaving deal with the EU by October or November next year.
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How far should really good actors be allowed to go with 14 year olds?Roger said:
I expect worst things happen to most fourteen year old boys than being propositioned by a famous actor or actress. And If he wanted an interesting story to tell his chums he'd got one.CarlottaVance said:
So the talented thespian who complained of Spacey's behaviour when he was 14 years old should have kept his mouth shut?Roger said:
I wish they'd stick to politicians and leave talented thespians out of this witch-huntCarlottaVance said:
Unless it was a not-uncommon event.......I think it's fair to say that in seeking to dig himself out of one hole, Mr Spacey has dug himself another one.....AlastairMeeks said:
Personally, if I'd made a drunken pass at a 14 year old boy in my bedroom, I think I'd remember it even at 30 years' distance.DavidL said:
We’re going on aAlastairMeeks said:I expect that there are quite a few men in the public eye who are feeling rather nervous today.
bearwitch hunt. I’m not scared.
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If it really is 3 dozen Tory MPs, then it isn't going to be 0 from the other parties. Who else is going to be in trouble?TheScreamingEagles said:
I laid him to win a while back - odds have moved against me since then so looks a bad bet in hindsight.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. B, any idea why Joshua's odds are so short?
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For May the big risk is that the story moves to how long she has known about the alleged misconduct, via her whip's office, and why she didn't move earlier to deter and punish.HYUFD said:
Why is it 'devastating for May'? She is probably about the most personally upstanding in her personal life of the lot and these allegations will go back through the Cameron years and maybe beyond and cover Labour MPs and LDs too if the reports are anything to go byTheScreamingEagles said:
Since time immemorial prime ministers and their whips have gathered intelligence about the flaws and transgressions of MPs as a way of enforcing loyalty. But that is not a good look for a prime minister who has said so much about wanting to stamp out gender discrimination, bullying and the abuse of the vulnerable.0 -
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Seems unlikely it’d be current LD MP’s.HYUFD said:
Why is it 'devastating for May'? She is probably about the most personally upstanding in her personal life of the lot and these allegations will go back through the Cameron years and maybe beyond and cover Labour MPs and LDs too if the reports are anything to go byTheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Indeed.HYUFD said:
Why is it 'devastating for May'? She is probably about the most personally upstanding in her personal life of the lot and these allegations will go back through the Cameron years and maybe beyond and cover Labour MPs and LDs too if the reports are anything to go byTheScreamingEagles said:
If anything there's better than decent odds that these revelations will damage some of her would-be successors.0 -
Certainly at least 1 LD Peer according to today's MetroOldKingCole said:
Seems unlikely it’d be current LD MP’s.HYUFD said:
Why is it 'devastating for May'? She is probably about the most personally upstanding in her personal life of the lot and these allegations will go back through the Cameron years and maybe beyond and cover Labour MPs and LDs too if the reports are anything to go byTheScreamingEagles said:0 -
They still have Rennard running round helping - the LDs are no cleaner than any other party when it comes to this sort of thing. What they do have is a Leader who has brought back a known pest into his inner circle.OldKingCole said:
Seems unlikely it’d be current LD MP’s.HYUFD said:
Why is it 'devastating for May'? She is probably about the most personally upstanding in her personal life of the lot and these allegations will go back through the Cameron years and maybe beyond and cover Labour MPs and LDs too if the reports are anything to go byTheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Peers aren’t elected!HYUFD said:
Certainly at least 1 LD Peer according to today's MetroOldKingCole said:
Seems unlikely it’d be current LD MP’s.HYUFD said:
Why is it 'devastating for May'? She is probably about the most personally upstanding in her personal life of the lot and these allegations will go back through the Cameron years and maybe beyond and cover Labour MPs and LDs too if the reports are anything to go byTheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Agreed and even if not the mood may not be for the blonde bombshell with a weakness for the ladiesrkrkrk said:
Indeed.HYUFD said:
Why is it 'devastating for May'? She is probably about the most personally upstanding in her personal life of the lot and these allegations will go back through the Cameron years and maybe beyond and cover Labour MPs and LDs too if the reports are anything to go byTheScreamingEagles said:
If anything there's better than decent odds that these revelations will damage some of her would-be successors.0 -
Cameron obviously knew about it too, Corbyn clearly knew about cases on the Labour side as well in all likelihood as identified by John Mann.TheScreamingEagles said:
For May the big risk is that the story moves to how long she has known about the alleged misconduct, via her whip's office, and why she didn't move earlier to deter and punish.HYUFD said:
Why is it 'devastating for May'? She is probably about the most personally upstanding in her personal life of the lot and these allegations will go back through the Cameron years and maybe beyond and cover Labour MPs and LDs too if the reports are anything to go byTheScreamingEagles said:
Since time immemorial prime ministers and their whips have gathered intelligence about the flaws and transgressions of MPs as a way of enforcing loyalty. But that is not a good look for a prime minister who has said so much about wanting to stamp out gender discrimination, bullying and the abuse of the vulnerable.0 -
Given the very small size of the LD Parliamentary party during the 70s and 80s, it is kind of incredible they had Cyril Smith, Clement Freud, Jeremy Thorpe and Peter Bessel as MPs. Two acknowledged paedophiles, one bunny-lover, and one convicted fraudster,OldKingCole said:
Seems unlikely it’d be current LD MP’s.HYUFD said:
Why is it 'devastating for May'? She is probably about the most personally upstanding in her personal life of the lot and these allegations will go back through the Cameron years and maybe beyond and cover Labour MPs and LDs too if the reports are anything to go byTheScreamingEagles said:
I mean, during that epoch. any random collection of 10 people would surely be more honest and law-abiding than the LD Parliamentary party.
So, I wouldn't be too confident that just because there are not many LD MPs now, there are no wrong'uns.0 -
They are appointed - which is worse.OldKingCole said:
Peers aren’t elected!HYUFD said:
Certainly at least 1 LD Peer according to today's MetroOldKingCole said:
Seems unlikely it’d be current LD MP’s.HYUFD said:
Why is it 'devastating for May'? She is probably about the most personally upstanding in her personal life of the lot and these allegations will go back through the Cameron years and maybe beyond and cover Labour MPs and LDs too if the reports are anything to go byTheScreamingEagles said:0 -
They still represent the party in ParliamentOldKingCole said:
Peers aren’t elected!HYUFD said:
Certainly at least 1 LD Peer according to today's MetroOldKingCole said:
Seems unlikely it’d be current LD MP’s.HYUFD said:
Why is it 'devastating for May'? She is probably about the most personally upstanding in her personal life of the lot and these allegations will go back through the Cameron years and maybe beyond and cover Labour MPs and LDs too if the reports are anything to go byTheScreamingEagles said:
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Peston turning into Anthony King.
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And now reported as rife in the Scottish Parliament.HYUFD said:
Certainly at least 1 LD Peer according to today's MetroOldKingCole said:
Seems unlikely it’d be current LD MP’s.HYUFD said:
Why is it 'devastating for May'? She is probably about the most personally upstanding in her personal life of the lot and these allegations will go back through the Cameron years and maybe beyond and cover Labour MPs and LDs too if the reports are anything to go byTheScreamingEagles said:0 -
I always think there’s something very odd about the Smith case. I know men in Rochdale who were boys when Smith was in his prime who won’t hear a word said against him. And I was in and aroound Rochdale when Smith jumped ship from Labour and while there was a lot of vitriol being splashed about there was nothing at all of a sexual nature.YBarddCwsc said:
Given the very small size of the LD Parliamentary party during the 70s and 80s, it is kind of incredible they had Cyril Smith, Clement Freud, Jeremy Thorpe and Peter Bessel as MPs. Two acknowledged paedophiles, one bunny-lover, and one convicted fraudster,OldKingCole said:
Seems unlikely it’d be current LD MP’s.HYUFD said:
Why is it 'devastating for May'? She is probably about the most personally upstanding in her personal life of the lot and these allegations will go back through the Cameron years and maybe beyond and cover Labour MPs and LDs too if the reports are anything to go byTheScreamingEagles said:
I mean, during that epoch. any random collection of 10 people would surely be more honest and law-abiding than the LD Parliamentary party.
So, I wouldn't be too confident that just because there are not many LD MPs now, there are no wrong'uns.
Might have been associated guilt from Labour, but I don’t think so. And Tory councillors said nothing, either.0 -
The Sunday Times also reported there were instances of harassment in the European Parliament too and of course there have been instances in Congress in the past, allegations against the current POTUS and now some key players in Hollywood and the arts.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And now reported as rife in the Scottish Parliament.HYUFD said:
Certainly at least 1 LD Peer according to today's MetroOldKingCole said:
Seems unlikely it’d be current LD MP’s.HYUFD said:
Why is it 'devastating for May'? She is probably about the most personally upstanding in her personal life of the lot and these allegations will go back through the Cameron years and maybe beyond and cover Labour MPs and LDs too if the reports are anything to go byTheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Anything (pre-Red) by Taylor Swift?TheWhiteRabbit said:
You see there's my problem.TheScreamingEagles said:Future Tory Leader here, he's in tune with young voters.
https://twitter.com/MattHancock/status/924952312740794369
I just don't think my love of country could chime with the voters. Or at least, not British ones.
Not helped by the fact most people can't name a country song less than twenty years old.0 -
I know politics is showbiz for ugly people, but has there ever been a weirder looking political crew (from Don down) than the Trump lot? Manafort resembles one of the aliens wearing a human suit from Men in Black.
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There were plenty of people in parliament and the wider media who 'knew' about Lord McAlpine's alleged transgressions. He suffered more than a decade of nudge-nudge, wink-wink behind his back, all of which turned out to be rubbish.HYUFD said:
Cameron obviously knew about it too, Corbyn clearly knew about cases on the Labour side as well in all likelihood as identified by John Mann.TheScreamingEagles said:
For May the big risk is that the story moves to how long she has known about the alleged misconduct, via her whip's office, and why she didn't move earlier to deter and punish.HYUFD said:
Why is it 'devastating for May'? She is probably about the most personally upstanding in her personal life of the lot and these allegations will go back through the Cameron years and maybe beyond and cover Labour MPs and LDs too if the reports are anything to go byTheScreamingEagles said:
Since time immemorial prime ministers and their whips have gathered intelligence about the flaws and transgressions of MPs as a way of enforcing loyalty. But that is not a good look for a prime minister who has said so much about wanting to stamp out gender discrimination, bullying and the abuse of the vulnerable.
The problem, whether sexual shenanigans or sexual misdemeanours, is that too many of our politicians are utterly unprofessional. And this creates a culture where only people who are willing to put up with this unprofessionalism, or are willing to take part in it, become politicians.0 -
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Ironically, hereditary peers are.OldKingCole said:
Peers aren’t elected!HYUFD said:
Certainly at least 1 LD Peer according to today's MetroOldKingCole said:
Seems unlikely it’d be current LD MP’s.HYUFD said:
Why is it 'devastating for May'? She is probably about the most personally upstanding in her personal life of the lot and these allegations will go back through the Cameron years and maybe beyond and cover Labour MPs and LDs too if the reports are anything to go byTheScreamingEagles said:0 -
The LibDems are lucky that - of their 12 MPs - only about six have been in parliament long enough.YBarddCwsc said:
Given the very small size of the LD Parliamentary party during the 70s and 80s, it is kind of incredible they had Cyril Smith, Clement Freud, Jeremy Thorpe and Peter Bessel as MPs. Two acknowledged paedophiles, one bunny-lover, and one convicted fraudster,OldKingCole said:
Seems unlikely it’d be current LD MP’s.HYUFD said:
Why is it 'devastating for May'? She is probably about the most personally upstanding in her personal life of the lot and these allegations will go back through the Cameron years and maybe beyond and cover Labour MPs and LDs too if the reports are anything to go byTheScreamingEagles said:
I mean, during that epoch. any random collection of 10 people would surely be more honest and law-abiding than the LD Parliamentary party.
So, I wouldn't be too confident that just because there are not many LD MPs now, there are no wrong'uns.0 -
Those hereditary peers are elected using AV, the finest voting system known to man.Carolus_Rex said:
Ironically, hereditary peers are.OldKingCole said:
Peers aren’t elected!HYUFD said:
Certainly at least 1 LD Peer according to today's MetroOldKingCole said:
Seems unlikely it’d be current LD MP’s.HYUFD said:
Why is it 'devastating for May'? She is probably about the most personally upstanding in her personal life of the lot and these allegations will go back through the Cameron years and maybe beyond and cover Labour MPs and LDs too if the reports are anything to go byTheScreamingEagles said:0 -
It is an odd story.Roger said:
I expect worst things happen to most fourteen year old boys than being propositioned by a famous actor or actress. And If he wanted an interesting story to tell his chums he'd got one.CarlottaVance said:
So the talented thespian who complained of Spacey's behaviour when he was 14 years old should have kept his mouth shut?Roger said:
I wish they'd stick to politicians and leave talented thespians out of this witch-huntCarlottaVance said:
Unless it was a not-uncommon event.......I think it's fair to say that in seeking to dig himself out of one hole, Mr Spacey has dug himself another one.....AlastairMeeks said:
Personally, if I'd made a drunken pass at a 14 year old boy in my bedroom, I think I'd remember it even at 30 years' distance.DavidL said:
We’re going on aAlastairMeeks said:I expect that there are quite a few men in the public eye who are feeling rather nervous today.
bearwitch hunt. I’m not scared.
Who lets a 14 year old unchaperoned stay at a drunken party?
Nothing new about predatory behaviour in this context.0 -
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Labour's Rupa Huq just said in the 90's she experieced an MEP in the European Parliament with wandering hands and she didn't say anything about it at the time, but went on to say she was saying this for the first time in this interview
The interviewer went on to say that it was brave of her to speak of that example and that she could hugely set an example as an electrd Parliamentarian by going through the legal process so the MEP faces the full force of the law
Her reaction was it was sort of historic but it is happening now and simply would not identify the alleged MEP.
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The UKIP voters went to Labour from those figures. Odd.Tissue_Price said:0 -
Nails down which party the handsy MEP was from then doesn't it ?Big_G_NorthWales said:Labour's Rupa Huq just said in the 90's she experieced an MEP in the European Parliament with wandering hands and she didn't say anything about it at the time, but went on to say she was saying this for the first time in this interview
The interviewer went on to say that it was brave of her to speak of that example and that she could hugely set an example as an electrd Parliamentarian by going through the legal process so the MEP faces the full force of the law
Her reaction was it was sort of historic but it is happening now and simply would not identify the alleged MEP.
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If we don't get proper allegations made to the appropriate authorities, we won't get to really understand the scale of the problem.Big_G_NorthWales said:Labour's Rupa Huq just said in the 90's she experieced an MEP in the European Parliament with wandering hands and she didn't say anything about it at the time, but went on to say she was saying this for the first time in this interview
The interviewer went on to say that it was brave of her to speak of that example and that she could hugely set an example as an electrd Parliamentarian by going through the legal process so the MEP faces the full force of the law
Her reaction was it was sort of historic but it is happening now and simply would not identify the alleged MEP.
It is amazing how when push comes to shove nothing happens
Holding a news conference or talking in an interview is not the right way to do things. Even with historical allegations.
Complaints should be made to employers and/or police - not to a journalist.0
