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Thierry's miss when through and Freddie not putting it in at the near post have haunted me ever since.isam said:
As an Arsenal fan I can honestly say I am not going to miss the Group Stages, but I do miss that flicker of hope that we might win it. You've got to be in it for that though!SouthamObserver said:
Looks like a good opportunity to win the Europa Cup to me. But Real and Dortmund are great ties. As you say, Spurs were never going to go all the way.isam said:
As a regular Champions League watcher of my team, (who are sitting it out this season) I think Spurs have a nice draw. The group stages are seriously boring when you play Basel, Ludogrets, Anderlecht, Maribor etc. Spurs fans get to see their team play the best side in Europe twice, plus a very good team in Dortmund.Sandpit said:
Full draw:FrancisUrquhart said:
Woophs my mistake I misread the BBC feed. As you say different teams, same result.Philip_Thompson said:
No Sporting Lisbon were the 4th Group D team, Celtic aren't Group D. Celtic are Group B with Bayern Munich, PSG and Anderlecht.FrancisUrquhart said:Juve, Barca and Olympiakos in Group D. Here's Celtic....
Celtic won't be going far then this year....
Celtic won't be going far then this year....
Group A Benfica, Man Utd, Basel, CSKA Moscow
Group B Bayern Munich, PSG, Anderlecht, Celtic
Group C Chelsea, Atletico Madrid, Roma, Qarabag
Group D Juventus, Barcelona, Olympiakos, Sporting
Group E Spartak Moscow, Sevilla, Liverpool, Maribor
Group F Shakhtar, Man City, Napoli, Feyenoord
Group G Monaco, Porto, Besiktas, RB Leipzig
Group H Real Madrid, Dortmund, Tottenham, APOEL
The were 33/1 to win it before the draw, so not v likely at all. I think they should be happy. The exciting part of being a fan is watching your team against the very best, not playing Euro minnows.0 -
Yes, amazing how many chances we had considering we were playing Barca w 10 men. That was one of the last Arsenal games I went to actually. The route to the final was class. Super Jens didn't let in a goal I don't think?TOPPING said:
Thierry's miss when through and Freddie not putting it in at the near post have haunted me ever since.isam said:
As an Arsenal fan I can honestly say I am not going to miss the Group Stages, but I do miss that flicker of hope that we might win it. You've got to be in it for that though!SouthamObserver said:
Looks like a good opportunity to win the Europa Cup to me. But Real and Dortmund are great ties. As you say, Spurs were never going to go all the way.isam said:Sandpit said:
Full draw:FrancisUrquhart said:
Woophs my mistake I misread the BBC feed. As you say different teams, same result.Philip_Thompson said:
No Sporting Lisbon were the 4th Group D team, Celtic aren't Group D. Celtic are Group B with Bayern Munich, PSG and Anderlecht.FrancisUrquhart said:Juve, Barca and Olympiakos in Group D. Here's Celtic....
Celtic won't be going far then this year....
Celtic won't be going far then this year....
Group A Benfica, Man Utd, Basel, CSKA Moscow
Group B Bayern Munich, PSG, Anderlecht, Celtic
Group C Chelsea, Atletico Madrid, Roma, Qarabag
Group D Juventus, Barcelona, Olympiakos, Sporting
Group E Spartak Moscow, Sevilla, Liverpool, Maribor
Group F Shakhtar, Man City, Napoli, Feyenoord
Group G Monaco, Porto, Besiktas, RB Leipzig
Group H Real Madrid, Dortmund, Tottenham, APOEL
The were 33/1 to win it before the draw, so not v likely at all. I think they should be happy. The exciting part of being a fan is watching your team against the very best, not playing Euro minnows.0 -
Ha!SeanT said:I humbly beg readmission to the PB community.
*clutches cloth cap in both hands*
*stares at shoes*
Superb.0 -
Dream on mate.williamglenn said:
Yes, the Juncker's Witnesses have profiled you as being susceptible to Euronationalism: unfulfilled patriotism, wanting to stand tall in the world but to limit the power of the state.Casino_Royale said:Are you actually that fanatical, or do you think that if you simply repeat "more Europe" often enough to me that it'll somehow seep into my subconscious and I'll somehow subliminally become a europhile before I even realise it's happened?
I'm sure it's seeping in just a little bit.
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Damn.JosiasJessop said:
Celestis have a good rep.Pong said:
When I finally expire I want to be cremated by the sun.Sandpit said:
Nailed the landing again. This is getting very routine.JosiasJessop said:Off-topic:
In a few minutes SpaceX are attempting a launch - and recovery - of a rocket. Watch live here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4u3ZN2g_MI
These guys recon they can do it for $12500;
https://www.celestis.com/experiences-pricing/
Unfortunately their service involves pre-cremation on earth, which is understandable for weight/cost reasons, but nowhere near as fun.
Hopefully (especially now with reusable stage 1's), over the next half century, the cost will come down far enough for me to afford to have my entire undecomposed cadaver strapped on top of a stage 2 and pointed at the sun.
Exciting times!
But getting to the Sun is really difficult: it's easier to escape the solar system:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/space/rockets/a21896/why-we-cant-just-launch-waste-into-the-sun/
Everything about orbital mechanics is counter-intuitive. It does my head in.
The inability to decelerate from 65,000 mph is a problem I hadn't forseen. And I don't fancy going via Pluto. Even if the timescale wouldn't matter because I'd be dead.
I'd probably end up in some pathetic eliptical orbit of the sun for all of eternity, getting only semi-toasted every few centuries.
I can't risk that.
Back to the drawing board.0 -
I was watching it on TV and even the commentator thought Thierry's was a foregone conclusion...isam said:
Yes, amazing how many chances we had considering we were playing Barca w 10 men. That was one of the last Arsenal games I went to actually. The route to the final was class. Super Jens didn't let in a goal I don't think?TOPPING said:
Thierry's miss when through and Freddie not putting it in at the near post have haunted me ever since.isam said:
As an Arsenal fan I can honestly say I am not going to miss the Group Stages, but I do miss that flicker of hope that we might win it. You've got to be in it for that though!SouthamObserver said:
Looks like a good opportunity to win the Europa Cup to me. But Real and Dortmund are great ties. As you say, Spurs were never going to go all the way.isam said:Sandpit said:
Full draw:FrancisUrquhart said:
Woophs my mistake I misread the BBC feed. As you say different teams, same result.Philip_Thompson said:
No Sporting Lisbon were the 4th Group D team, Celtic aren't Group D. Celtic are Group B with Bayern Munich, PSG and Anderlecht.FrancisUrquhart said:Juve, Barca and Olympiakos in Group D. Here's Celtic....
Celtic won't be going far then this year....
Celtic won't be going far then this year....
Group A Benfica, Man Utd, Basel, CSKA Moscow
Group B Bayern Munich, PSG, Anderlecht, Celtic
Group C Chelsea, Atletico Madrid, Roma, Qarabag
Group D Juventus, Barcelona, Olympiakos, Sporting
Group E Spartak Moscow, Sevilla, Liverpool, Maribor
Group F Shakhtar, Man City, Napoli, Feyenoord
Group G Monaco, Porto, Besiktas, RB Leipzig
Group H Real Madrid, Dortmund, Tottenham, APOEL
The were 33/1 to win it before the draw, so not v likely at all. I think they should be happy. The exciting part of being a fan is watching your team against the very best, not playing Euro minnows.
"and it's Henreeee...."
But no.0 -
I think I have only been able to watch the highlights once or twice since. What a difference those last 20 mins have made to the club.TOPPING said:
I was watching it on TV and even the commentator thought Thierry's was a foregone conclusion...isam said:
Yes, amazing how many chances we had considering we were playing Barca w 10 men. That was one of the last Arsenal games I went to actually. The route to the final was class. Super Jens didn't let in a goal I don't think?TOPPING said:
Thierry's miss when through and Freddie not putting it in at the near post have haunted me ever since.isam said:
As an Arsenal fan I can honestly say I am not going to miss the Group Stages, but I do miss that flicker of hope that we might win it. You've got to be in it for that though!SouthamObserver said:
Looks like a good opportunity to win the Europa Cup to me. But Real and Dortmund are great ties. As you say, Spurs were never going to go all the way.isam said:Sandpit said:
Full draw:FrancisUrquhart said:
Woophs my mistake I misread the BBC feed. As you say different teams, same result.Philip_Thompson said:
No Sporting Lisbon were the 4th Group D team, Celtic aren't Group D. Celtic are Group B with Bayern Munich, PSG and Anderlecht.FrancisUrquhart said:Juve, Barca and Olympiakos in Group D. Here's Celtic....
Celtic won't be going far then this year....
Celtic won't be going far then this year....
Group A Benfica, Man Utd, Basel, CSKA Moscow
Group B Bayern Munich, PSG, Anderlecht, Celtic
Group C Chelsea, Atletico Madrid, Roma, Qarabag
Group D Juventus, Barcelona, Olympiakos, Sporting
Group E Spartak Moscow, Sevilla, Liverpool, Maribor
Group F Shakhtar, Man City, Napoli, Feyenoord
Group G Monaco, Porto, Besiktas, RB Leipzig
Group H Real Madrid, Dortmund, Tottenham, APOEL
The were 33/1 to win it before the draw, so not v likely at all. I think they should be happy. The exciting part of being a fan is watching your team against the very best, not playing Euro minnows.
"and it's Henreeee...."
But no.
Belletti's only goal for Barca won them the UCL! I actually think that was an Almunia OG.
Almunia being picked over Jens the following season was Wenger's weirdest decision until he started playing Welbeck instead of Giroud0 -
Or switched Iwobi to the centre when he causes havoc down the left wing.isam said:
Belletti's only goal for Barca won the the UCL! I actually think that was an Almunia OG.TOPPING said:
I was watching it on TV and even the commentator thought Thierry's was a foregone conclusion...isam said:
Yes, amazing how many chances we had considering we were playing Barca w 10 men. That was one of the last Arsenal games I went to actually. The route to the final was class. Super Jens didn't let in a goal I don't think?TOPPING said:
Thierry's miss when through and Freddie not putting it in at the near post have haunted me ever since.isam said:
As an Arsenal fan I can honestly say I am not going to miss the Group Stages, but I do miss that flicker of hope that we might win it. You've got to be in it for that though!SouthamObserver said:
Looks like a good opportunity to win the Europa Cup to me. But Real and Dortmund are great ties. As you say, Spurs were never going to go all the way.isam said:Sandpit said:
Full draw:FrancisUrquhart said:
Woophs my mistake I misread the BBC feed. As you say different teams, same result.Philip_Thompson said:
No Sporting Lisbon were the 4th Group D team, Celtic aren't Group D. Celtic are Group B with Bayern Munich, PSG and Anderlecht.FrancisUrquhart said:Juve, Barca and Olympiakos in Group D. Here's Celtic....
Celtic won't be going far then this year....
Celtic won't be going far then this year....
Group A Benfica, Man Utd, Basel, CSKA Moscow
Group B Bayern Munich, PSG, Anderlecht, Celtic
Group C Chelsea, Atletico Madrid, Roma, Qarabag
Group D Juventus, Barcelona, Olympiakos, Sporting
Group E Spartak Moscow, Sevilla, Liverpool, Maribor
Group F Shakhtar, Man City, Napoli, Feyenoord
Group G Monaco, Porto, Besiktas, RB Leipzig
Group H Real Madrid, Dortmund, Tottenham, APOEL
The were 33/1 to win it before the draw, so not v likely at all. I think they should be happy. The exciting part of being a fan is watching your team against the very best, not playing Euro minnows.
"and it's Henreeee...."
But no.
Almunia being picked over Jens the following season was Wenger's weirdest decision until he started playing Welbeck instead of Giroud
But anyway we shouldn't air our pain in public.0 -
Spennymoor Wetherspoons must be one of the best pubs in England. It's a former art deco cinema, The Grand Electric House, which serves fabulous breakfasts at ridiculously low prices.foxinsoxuk said:
I would buy a round for the house in Wetherspoons for 2 out of 3 of those!TwistedFireStopper said:
So, Trump is getting impeached, Brexit is cancelled, and hello PM Corbyn, then?TheScreamingEagles said:
PB's going to get even more boring in September.TwistedFireStopper said:
It's good to have you back, mate, the place needs livening up. At the minute, it's all EU Nazis and Brexit Jihadis.SeanT said:
Can't remember, I think I said PB was boring now, so someone challenged me to leave, and I made a very theatrical PBrexit.TwistedFireStopper said:
What did you flounce off about?SeanT said:I humbly beg readmission to the PB community.
*clutches cloth cap in both hands*
*stares at shoes*
Mike's taking a holiday and as well all know, nothing ever happens when Mike's abroad.
But, overall, the quality of food up North tends to be far superior to the quality in London and the South East.
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Now is as good a time as any for Brexiteers to confront these questions because they are coming down the line. Brexit is not Armageddon but nor is it a red, white and blue utopia. It is a resumption of full sovereignty and all the messy fixes that entails — no more throwing hands up and muttering about Brussels. Taking back control means owning what happens even if, as will likely be the case with immigration, Brexiteers find themselves cornered into a lot of things they thought they had voted against last June.
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/08/brexit-means-taking-back-responsibility/0 -
Those who switched off with a sigh of relief in July may not have noticed. But something big is slowly stirring in the undergrowth of British politics. Fact by fact, announcement by announcement, the case for Britain to remain in the European Union’s single market and customs union is growing stronger and more irresistible by the day. Such an outcome is most definitely not this government’s policy. But, this autumn, something will have to give.
Over the past 10 days David Davis’s Brexit department has published seven so-called partnership papers: important documents covering a wide range of subjects, from customs and Northern Ireland to civil justice and, most recently, disputes mechanisms, including the role of the European Court of Justice. According to the introductory blurb inside each, these papers are all about forming a bespoke post-Brexit partnership with the EU. Yet, by intention or accident, they do something very different. Together they make a case for sticking with the existing partnership as it stands, or at least with its key arrangements, such as the single market and customs union.
In every case, the papers start from the reality of the Brexit vote and then gently proceed to undermine it.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/24/case-britains-ties-europe-severed-falling-apart-brexiteers-migration-norway-option0 -
Another confirmation bias post. D- for effortScott_P said:Now is as good a time as any for Brexiteers to confront these questions because they are coming down the line. Brexit is not Armageddon but nor is it a red, white and blue utopia. It is a resumption of full sovereignty and all the messy fixes that entails — no more throwing hands up and muttering about Brussels. Taking back control means owning what happens even if, as will likely be the case with immigration, Brexiteers find themselves cornered into a lot of things they thought they had voted against last June.
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/08/brexit-means-taking-back-responsibility/0 -
Taking back responsibility is the whole point of Brexit, I would say.Scott_P said:Now is as good a time as any for Brexiteers to confront these questions because they are coming down the line. Brexit is not Armageddon but nor is it a red, white and blue utopia. It is a resumption of full sovereignty and all the messy fixes that entails — no more throwing hands up and muttering about Brussels. Taking back control means owning what happens even if, as will likely be the case with immigration, Brexiteers find themselves cornered into a lot of things they thought they had voted against last June.
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/08/brexit-means-taking-back-responsibility/0 -
Sorry one more thing.isam said:
I think I have only been able to watch the highlights once or twice since. What a difference those last 20 mins have made to the club.TOPPING said:
I was watching it on TV and even the commentator thought Thierry's was a foregone conclusion...isam said:
Yes, amazing how many chances we had considering we were playing Barca w 10 men. That was one of the last Arsenal games I went to actually. The route to the final was class. Super Jens didn't let in a goal I don't think?TOPPING said:
Thierry's miss when through and Freddie not putting it in at the near post have haunted me ever since.isam said:
As an Arsenal fan I can honestly say I am not going to miss the Group Stages, but I do miss that flicker of hope that we might win it. You've got to be in it for that though!SouthamObserver said:
Looks like a good opportunity to win the Europa Cup to me. But Real and Dortmund are great ties. As you say, Spurs were never going to go all the way.isam said:Sandpit said:
Full draw:gFrancisUrquhart said:
Woophs my mistake I misread the BBC feed. As you say different teams, same result.Philip_Thompson said:
No Sporting Lisbon were the 4th Group D team, Celtic aren't Group D. Celtic are Group B with Bayern Munich, PSG and Anderlecht.FrancisUrquhart said:Juve, Barca and Olympiakos in Group D. Here's Celtic....
Celtic won't be going far then this year....
Celtic won't be going far then this year....
Group H Real Madrid, Dortmund, Tottenham, APOEL
The were 33/1 to win it before the draw, so not v likely at all. I think they should be happy. The exciting part of being a fan is watching your team against the very best, not playing Euro minnows.
"and it's Henreeee...."
But no.
Belletti's only goal for Barca won them the UCL! I actually think that was an Almunia OG.
Almunia being picked over Jens the following season was Wenger's weirdest decision until he started playing Welbeck instead of Giroud
Apart from losing the best left back in the league, perhaps on the planet for the odd 50p, his over-30 policy meant we lost the one group of players who could get the ball from our six yard box into the back of the opponent's net in five moves.
I'm still an AW fan though, but dear god it's frustrating at times.0 -
The Independent or The Standard for the Hat Trick of same old same old?Scott_P said:Those who switched off with a sigh of relief in July may not have noticed. But something big is slowly stirring in the undergrowth of British politics. Fact by fact, announcement by announcement, the case for Britain to remain in the European Union’s single market and customs union is growing stronger and more irresistible by the day. Such an outcome is most definitely not this government’s policy. But, this autumn, something will have to give.
Over the past 10 days David Davis’s Brexit department has published seven so-called partnership papers: important documents covering a wide range of subjects, from customs and Northern Ireland to civil justice and, most recently, disputes mechanisms, including the role of the European Court of Justice. According to the introductory blurb inside each, these papers are all about forming a bespoke post-Brexit partnership with the EU. Yet, by intention or accident, they do something very different. Together they make a case for sticking with the existing partnership as it stands, or at least with its key arrangements, such as the single market and customs union.
In every case, the papers start from the reality of the Brexit vote and then gently proceed to undermine it.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/24/case-britains-ties-europe-severed-falling-apart-brexiteers-migration-norway-option0 -
Apologies if this retweet doesn't work very nicely but based on your post you'll like this I think.JosiasJessop said:
I just missed the last manned Moon landings by a few months. No-one has walked on the Moon in my lifetime.TwistedFireStopper said:
I'm fascinated by all space exploration. I was slightly too young to appreciate Apollo 11, was a keen follower of the Space Shuttle, and the death of SkyLab but I'm worried now I'm 50 that I may not see Man's push to visit the Moon again, or make the leap to Mars. I might see the death of internal combustion cars, though!JosiasJessop said:
It'll never be routine for me. More than twenty years ago I followed the DCX-Clipper, and then Armadillo Aerospace (RIP) and Masten; it's amazing to think all that promise has been fulfilled.Sandpit said:
Nailed the landing again. This is getting very routine.JosiasJessop said:Off-topic:
In a few minutes SpaceX are attempting a launch - and recovery - of a rocket. Watch live here:
ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4u3ZN2g_MI
Just watch this baby:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv9n9Casp1o
IMV in the next few years there will be another space race for the Moon. China have been making noises, and have been developing suitable heavy-lift rockets. Their Long March 9 will have about the same lift as the old Saturn V, and there's little need for such heavy rockets except for manned exploration.
Manned to Mars is probably imminently outside China's capabilities at the moment as they have far less experience in manned spaceflight than the US and Russia (and it's probably beyond them as well). Therefore the Moon seems a good target for China to gain international prestige.
Also IMV, this is why the US is building their hideously expensive SLS rocket systems. If they have a heavy-lift rocket, they'll be able to compete with the Chinese in a race. Without it, they do not.
Expect man back on the Moon by 2025, either by China, the US, or private companies. Mars will not be before 2030 IMO, sadly. Musk may say more about that at the end of next month.
https://twitter.com/Patnspace/status/897632376758685698
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It's hard to know what our negotiating partners want. Do they want strong customs checks at the Irish Border, or do they want something similar to the status quo?Scott_P said:
And yet they seem so reluctant to do it.Sean_F said:Taking back responsibility is the whole point of Brexit, I would say.
Border with Ireland?
"Not our problem"
Ummm....0 -
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Irish Independent good enough for you?isam said:
The Independent or The Standard for the Hat Trick of same old same old?Scott_P said:Those who switched off with a sigh of relief in July may not have noticed. But something big is slowly stirring in the undergrowth of British politics. Fact by fact, announcement by announcement, the case for Britain to remain in the European Union’s single market and customs union is growing stronger and more irresistible by the day. Such an outcome is most definitely not this government’s policy. But, this autumn, something will have to give.
Over the past 10 days David Davis’s Brexit department has published seven so-called partnership papers: important documents covering a wide range of subjects, from customs and Northern Ireland to civil justice and, most recently, disputes mechanisms, including the role of the European Court of Justice. According to the introductory blurb inside each, these papers are all about forming a bespoke post-Brexit partnership with the EU. Yet, by intention or accident, they do something very different. Together they make a case for sticking with the existing partnership as it stands, or at least with its key arrangements, such as the single market and customs union.
In every case, the papers start from the reality of the Brexit vote and then gently proceed to undermine it.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/24/case-britains-ties-europe-severed-falling-apart-brexiteers-migration-norway-option
http://www.independent.ie/business/brexit/brexit-behind-fivefold-increase-in-chinese-investor-visits-to-ireland-36062820.html
Brexit behind fivefold increase in Chinese investor visits to Ireland0 -
Very interesting from Lord Hayward.
Theresa May’s dire election campaign trashed her own “brand” as badly as Gerald Ratner ruined his family jewellery firm, a leading Tory pollster and peer has declared.
In a frank analysis of his party’s performance at the polls, Lord Hayward said that the election result, plus the Brexit vote and London Mayor election, also proved that the Conservatives can never again rely on “fear” tactics.
The veteran pollster and former MP, who first coined the phrase “shy Tories” to explain the party’s surprise 1992 victory, compared the Prime Minister’s campaign to Ratner famously undermining his own company.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/theresa-may-ratners-trashed-brand-lord-hayward-tory-pollster_uk_599f2eace4b0821444c1e5d7?0 -
Off topic
But what a goal from Sigurdsson. If the Arse want to win Europa League, they will have some competition from the mighty EFC.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_bau9Fyjxs
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Whereas it's clear what we want...Sean_F said:It's hard to know what our negotiating partners want. Do they want strong customs checks at the Irish Border, or do they want something similar to the status quo?
Strong border controls that work exactly the same as today.
Ummmm.......0 -
Depends. Is that journal as one eyed as the aforementioned on this issue, therefore not worth the daily postings?williamglenn said:
Irish Independent good enough for you?isam said:
The Independent or The Standard for the Hat Trick of same old same old?Scott_P said:Those who switched off with a sigh of relief in July may not have noticed. But something big is slowly stirring in the undergrowth of British politics. Fact by fact, announcement by announcement, the case for Britain to remain in the European Union’s single market and customs union is growing stronger and more irresistible by the day. Such an outcome is most definitely not this government’s policy. But, this autumn, something will have to give.
Over the past 10 days David Davis’s Brexit department has published seven so-called partnership papers: important documents covering a wide range of subjects, from customs and Northern Ireland to civil justice and, most recently, disputes mechanisms, including the role of the European Court of Justice. According to the introductory blurb inside each, these papers are all about forming a bespoke post-Brexit partnership with the EU. Yet, by intention or accident, they do something very different. Together they make a case for sticking with the existing partnership as it stands, or at least with its key arrangements, such as the single market and customs union.
In every case, the papers start from the reality of the Brexit vote and then gently proceed to undermine it.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/24/case-britains-ties-europe-severed-falling-apart-brexiteers-migration-norway-option
http://www.independent.ie/business/brexit/brexit-behind-fivefold-increase-in-chinese-investor-visits-to-ireland-36062820.html
Brexit behind fivefold increase in Chinese investor visits to Ireland0 -
Worldie.dixiedean said:Off topic
But what a goal from Sigurdsson. If the Arse want to win Europa League, they will have some competition from the mighty EFC.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_bau9Fyjxs0 -
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Keeper errorTheScreamingEagles said:
Worldie.dixiedean said:Off topic
But what a goal from Sigurdsson. If the Arse want to win Europa League, they will have some competition from the mighty EFC.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_bau9Fyjxs0 -
Not quite as badly as Ratner did, but bad enough.TheScreamingEagles said:Very interesting from Lord Hayward.
Theresa May’s dire election campaign trashed her own “brand” as badly as Gerald Ratner ruined his family jewellery firm, a leading Tory pollster and peer has declared.
In a frank analysis of his party’s performance at the polls, Lord Hayward said that the election result, plus the Brexit vote and London Mayor election, also proved that the Conservatives can never again rely on “fear” tactics.
The veteran pollster and former MP, who first coined the phrase “shy Tories” to explain the party’s surprise 1992 victory, compared the Prime Minister’s campaign to Ratner famously undermining his own company.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/theresa-may-ratners-trashed-brand-lord-hayward-tory-pollster_uk_599f2eace4b0821444c1e5d7?0 -
Probably bit of both. Can't score from there if the keeper is in the centre of the goal on his line. However, still took some scoring.isam said:
Keeper errorTheScreamingEagles said:
Worldie.dixiedean said:Off topic
But what a goal from Sigurdsson. If the Arse want to win Europa League, they will have some competition from the mighty EFC.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_bau9Fyjxs
The Hajduk Split goal was quite something as well!0 -
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Great strike, no doubt, but a worldie to me has to be unstoppable, and I would blame Cech if Arsenal conceded thatdixiedean said:
Probably bit of both. Can't score from there if the keeper is in the centre of the goal on his line. However, still took some scoring.isam said:
Keeper errorTheScreamingEagles said:
Worldie.dixiedean said:Off topic
But what a goal from Sigurdsson. If the Arse want to win Europa League, they will have some competition from the mighty EFC.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_bau9Fyjxs
The Hajduk Split goal was quite something as well!0 -
Can we all sport the question the daily mail got wrong....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4821082/Could-pass-GCSE-maths.html0 -
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Think of it this way. You and the planet you are standing on currently in orbit around the Sun. That means you are travelling at about 30 kilometers a second at 90degrees to the Sun. In order to fall into the Sun you have to reduce your speed to zero, turn left[1], and let yourself fall in. So all you have to do is strap a rocket to you that will accelerate you to 30kps and point it in the right direction (that bit's important). Pack a lunch.Pong said:
Damn.JosiasJessop said:
Celestis have a good rep.Pong said:
When I finally expire I want to be cremated by the sun.Sandpit said:
Nailed the landing again. This is getting very routine.JosiasJessop said:Off-topic:
In a few minutes SpaceX are attempting a launch - and recovery - of a rocket. Watch live here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4u3ZN2g_MI
These guys recon they can do it for $12500;
https://www.celestis.com/experiences-pricing/
Unfortunately their service involves pre-cremation on earth, which is understandable for weight/cost reasons, but nowhere near as fun.
Hopefully (especially now with reusable stage 1's), over the next half century, the cost will come down far enough for me to afford to have my entire undecomposed cadaver strapped on top of a stage 2 and pointed at the sun.
Exciting times!
But getting to the Sun is really difficult: it's easier to escape the solar system:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/space/rockets/a21896/why-we-cant-just-launch-waste-into-the-sun/
Everything about orbital mechanics is counter-intuitive. It does my head in.
The inability to decelerate from 65,000 mph is a problem I hadn't forseen. And I don't fancy going via Pluto. Even if the timescale wouldn't matter because I'd be dead.
I'd probably end up in some pathetic eliptical orbit of the sun for all of eternity, getting only semi-toasted every few centuries.
I can't risk that.
Back to the drawing board.
Choice of rocket is tricky. The largest rocket we've ever put into orbit (I think?) is the Apollo third stage, the S-IVB, which could get you to 11kps, so as Stephen Hawking once said, biatch you be fucked. However I am the person who once mixed up electrons and neutrons in an explanation of nuclear explosions, so I await somebody to point out my errors. Knowing PB it'll take about thirty seconds and involve Brexit but there y'go...
[1] If the North Pole is "up" then the Earth revolves around the Sun counterclockwise0 -
Interesting though the Tories still got their highest voteshare since 1992 and as Hayward saysTheScreamingEagles said:Very interesting from Lord Hayward.
Theresa May’s dire election campaign trashed her own “brand” as badly as Gerald Ratner ruined his family jewellery firm, a leading Tory pollster and peer has declared.
In a frank analysis of his party’s performance at the polls, Lord Hayward said that the election result, plus the Brexit vote and London Mayor election, also proved that the Conservatives can never again rely on “fear” tactics.
The veteran pollster and former MP, who first coined the phrase “shy Tories” to explain the party’s surprise 1992 victory, compared the Prime Minister’s campaign to Ratner famously undermining his own company.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/theresa-may-ratners-trashed-brand-lord-hayward-tory-pollster_uk_599f2eace4b0821444c1e5d7?
“The Tories didn’t lose the election, they lost it against expectations and only then in certain parts of the country.
“In London, Bristol and the public sector towns and cities of England and Wales the Tories went backwards - heavily.
“They won, not only in Scotland, but also in the south west of England, in much of the Midlands, South Yorkshire and the North East. Such are the cross flows of the election that Labour now hold Kensington while the Tories hold Mansfield.”
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If you take the graph back further then sterling was higher in the Medieval Warm Period.Scott_P said:0 -
You can only consider yourself truly edgy if they ban you for long periods without telling you why, or when people you best cant bring themselves to reply to you.SeanT said:I humbly beg readmission to the PB community.
*clutches cloth cap in both hands*
*stares at shoes*
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A near half trillion pound current account deficit over the last five years and a £261bn downward revision in Britain's net international investment position of 2015:Scott_P said:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/nationalaccounts/uksectoraccounts/articles/nationalaccountsarticles/detailedassessmentofchangestobalanceofpaymentsannualestimates1997to2015#analysis-of-impact-on-the-current-account
Now what effect does that have on currencies ?0 -
Failing and blaming.Scott_P said:0 -
He will sqweem and sqweem until he is sick.Scott_P said:0 -
Ah the Hat trick was Lib Dem son Newton Dunn0
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Financing the curent account requires foreigners to invest here. If the funds dry up then the party stops.another_richard said:
A near half trillion pound current account deficit over the last five years and a £261bn downward revision in Britain's net international investment position of 2015:Scott_P said:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/nationalaccounts/uksectoraccounts/articles/nationalaccountsarticles/detailedassessmentofchangestobalanceofpaymentsannualestimates1997to2015#analysis-of-impact-on-the-current-account
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The footnote being your error... the Imperialist racist Mercator drew his map upside down and not to scale.viewcode said:
Think of it this way. You and the planet you are standing on currently in orbit around the Sun. That means you are travelling at about 30 kilometers a second at 90degrees to the Sun. In order to fall into the Sun you have to reduce your speed to zero, turn left[1], and let yourself fall in. So all you have to do is strap a rocket to you that will accelerate you to 30kps and point it in the right direction (that bit's important). Pack a lunch.Pong said:
Damn.JosiasJessop said:
Celestis have a good rep.Pong said:
When I finally expire I want to be cremated by the sun.Sandpit said:
Nailed the landing again. This is getting very routine.JosiasJessop said:Off-topic:
In a few minutes SpaceX are attempting a launch - and recovery - of a rocket. Watch live here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4u3ZN2g_MI
These guys recon they can do it for $12500;
https://www.celestis.com/experiences-pricing/
Unfortunately their service involves pre-cremation on earth, which is understandable for weight/cost reasons, but nowhere near as fun.
Hopefully (especially now with reusable stage 1's), over the next half century, the cost will come down far enough for me to afford to have my entire undecomposed cadaver strapped on top of a stage 2 and pointed at the sun.
Exciting times!
But getting to the Sun is really difficult: it's easier to escape the solar system:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/space/rockets/a21896/why-we-cant-just-launch-waste-into-the-sun/
Everything about orbital mechanics is counter-intuitive. It does my head in.
The inability to decelerate from 65,000 mph is a problem I hadn't forseen. And I don't fancy going via Pluto. Even if the timescale wouldn't matter because I'd be dead.
I'd probably end up in some pathetic eliptical orbit of the sun for all of eternity, getting only semi-toasted every few centuries.
I can't risk that.
Back to the drawing board.
Choice of rocket is tricky. The largest rocket we've ever put into orbit (I think?) is the Apollo third stage, the S-IVB, which could get you to 11kps, so as Stephen Hawking once said, biatch you be fucked. However I am the person who once mixed up electrons and neutrons in an explanation of nuclear explosions, so I await somebody to point out my errors. Knowing PB it'll take about thirty seconds and involve Brexit but there y'go...
[1] If the North Pole is "up" then the Earth revolves around the Sun counterclockwise
More importantly I think this analogy has legs. Is Brexit flying into or away from the sun?0 -
Indeed.foxinsoxuk said:
Financing the curent account requires foreigners to invest here. If the funds dry up then the party stops.another_richard said:
A near half trillion pound current account deficit over the last five years and a £261bn downward revision in Britain's net international investment position of 2015:Scott_P said:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/nationalaccounts/uksectoraccounts/articles/nationalaccountsarticles/detailedassessmentofchangestobalanceofpaymentsannualestimates1997to2015#analysis-of-impact-on-the-current-account
Now what effect does that have on currencies ?
But what happens when there are no more Mayfair mansions and Premiership football clubs to sell ?
Perhaps we'll have to try living within our means at that point - a frightening thought for millions of people and probably all politicians.0 -
@dnotice2012: David Davis discovers the concept of “bargaining power” https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/900829751195074560
Whatever happened to our really strong hand? And German car manufacturers...0 -
What we want is very simple.Scott_P said:
Whereas it's clear what we want...Sean_F said:It's hard to know what our negotiating partners want. Do they want strong customs checks at the Irish Border, or do they want something similar to the status quo?
Strong border controls that work exactly the same as today.
Ummmm.......
* We want a very hard border with the EU. We want a very soft border with Ireland.
* We want to leave the EU. We want the same access to the EU as now.
If I understand the UK position papers correctly (hat-tip @CarlottaVance ), this will be achieved with computers.
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The same computers we use to calculate student migrant figures perhaps.viewcode said:If I understand the UK position papers correctly (hat-tip @CarlottaVance ), this will be achieved with computers.
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Coughcough Icarus coughcough...Charles said:
The footnote being your error... the Imperialist racist Mercator drew his map upside down and not to scale.viewcode said:Think of it this way. You and the planet you are standing on currently in orbit around the Sun. That means you are travelling at about 30 kilometers a second at 90degrees to the Sun. In order to fall into the Sun you have to reduce your speed to zero, turn left[1], and let yourself fall in. So all you have to do is strap a rocket to you that will accelerate you to 30kps and point it in the right direction (that bit's important). Pack a lunch.
Choice of rocket is tricky. The largest rocket we've ever put into orbit (I think?) is the Apollo third stage, the S-IVB, which could get you to 11kps, so as Stephen Hawking once said, biatch you be fucked. However I am the person who once mixed up electrons and neutrons in an explanation of nuclear explosions, so I await somebody to point out my errors. Knowing PB it'll take about thirty seconds and involve Brexit but there y'go...
[1] If the North Pole is "up" then the Earth revolves around the Sun counterclockwise
More importantly I think this analogy has legs. Is Brexit flying into or away from the sun? 0 -
At least 16 US government employees suffered symptoms after a possible acoustic attack targeting the US embassy in Cuba, the state department says.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-410412160 -
Whilst my old sparring pal SeanT has re-emerged from whatever place he has been residing in (hopefully hedonistIc) I'll come back with a betting tip....
Depending on the draw, I think David Ferrer has a good chance of going long at the US open next week....
Only an opinion but the US Open is the most open it has been for many years. It resembles something like the VEEP market....0 -
It's those Kissenger-like diplomatic skills for which he was hired.Jonathan said:He will sqweem and sqweem until he is sick.
https://twitter.com/DavidDavisMP/status/735770127564607489
https://twitter.com/DavidDavisMP/status/7357701655104307210 -
' Today, we are setting out our assessment of what would happen in the weeks and months after a vote to Leave on June 23.Scott_P said:@dnotice2012: David Davis discovers the concept of “bargaining power” https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/900829751195074560
Whatever happened to our really strong hand? And German car manufacturers...
It is clear that there would be an immediate and profound shock to our economy.
The analysis produced by the Treasury today shows that a vote to leave will push our economy into a recession that would knock 3.6 per cent off GDP and, over two years, put hundreds of thousands of people out of work right across the country, compared to the forecast for continued growth if we vote to remain in the EU.
In a more severe shock scenario, Treasury economists estimate that our economy could be hit by 6 per cent, there would be a deeper recession and unemployment would rise by even more. '
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/22/david-cameron-and-george-osborne-brexit-would-put-our-economy-in/
Are you still predicting that the recession will occur as soon as A50 is activated ?
Oh wait ...0 -
Emmanuel Macron has spent €26,000 on makeup in his first three months as French president
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/24/emmanuel-macron-has-spent-26000-makeup-first-three-months-french/0 -
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/900824479269605381another_richard said:It is clear that there would be an immediate and profound shock to our economy.
Oh, wait...0 -
WTF...To achieve a pass in Maths GCSE - which is a grade 4 under the new system or a C under the old system - the average mark was 18 per cent, according to Ofqual, but individual exam boards set their pass marks themselves.
Having looked at those sample GCSE, they were absolutely trivial. People should be needing to get a lot more than 1 in 5 correct to "pass".0 -
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At least he looks good at the end of it!FrancisUrquhart said:Emmanuel Macron has spent €26,000 on makeup in his first three months as French president
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/24/emmanuel-macron-has-spent-26000-makeup-first-three-months-french/0 -
Which gives me an opportunity to make an on-topic comment (for novelty's sake if nothing else). The Statistics and Registration Service Act 2007 and the UK Statistics Authority were specifically set up to prevent politicians futzing around with the stats. Cable's criticism of May is exactly wrong.Scott_P said:
The same computers we use to calculate student migrant figures perhaps.viewcode said:If I understand the UK position papers correctly (hat-tip @CarlottaVance ), this will be achieved with computers.
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Not quite the pass at O Level of 60 years ago.....FrancisUrquhart said:WTF...To achieve a pass in Maths GCSE - which is a grade 4 under the new system or a C under the old system - the average mark was 18 per cent, according to Ofqual, but individual exam boards set their pass marks themselves.
Having looked at those sample GCSE, they were absolutely trivial. People should be needing to get a lot more than 1 in 5 correct to "pass".0 -
He probably looks fine without it...foxinsoxuk said:
At least he looks good at the end of it!FrancisUrquhart said:Emmanuel Macron has spent €26,000 on makeup in his first three months as French president
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/24/emmanuel-macron-has-spent-26000-makeup-first-three-months-french/0 -
Good. Quite right too. The EU's position is ludicrous.Scott_P said:@dnotice2012: David Davis discovers the concept of “bargaining power” https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/900829751195074560
Whatever happened to our really strong hand? And German car manufacturers...
Delighted Davis and the UK are calling them out on it.
Not surprised by the echoes of Lord Haw-Haws on this thread to the contrary, though.0 -
They want the UK to get a worse deal than an EU member, and are willing to fabricate such a situation if needs be, to bring it about.Sean_F said:
It's hard to know what our negotiating partners want. Do they want strong customs checks at the Irish Border, or do they want something similar to the status quo?Scott_P said:
And yet they seem so reluctant to do it.Sean_F said:Taking back responsibility is the whole point of Brexit, I would say.
Border with Ireland?
"Not our problem"
Ummm....
That's it.
It should show (to the intelligent) that being in the EU doesn't matter as much economically as people think it does, or they wouldn't have to pull such stunts to "prove" the point.0 -
Mmm, some re-writing of history here? The only regions to show a Lab to Con swing were Scotland and the North-East. The results in the Midlands, Yorkshire and Wales were dire compared to expectations.HYUFD said:
Interesting though the Tories still got their highest voteshare since 1992 and as Hayward saysTheScreamingEagles said:Very interesting from Lord Hayward.
Theresa May’s dire election campaign trashed her own “brand” as badly as Gerald Ratner ruined his family jewellery firm, a leading Tory pollster and peer has declared.
In a frank analysis of his party’s performance at the polls, Lord Hayward said that the election result, plus the Brexit vote and London Mayor election, also proved that the Conservatives can never again rely on “fear” tactics.
The veteran pollster and former MP, who first coined the phrase “shy Tories” to explain the party’s surprise 1992 victory, compared the Prime Minister’s campaign to Ratner famously undermining his own company.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/theresa-may-ratners-trashed-brand-lord-hayward-tory-pollster_uk_599f2eace4b0821444c1e5d7?
“The Tories didn’t lose the election, they lost it against expectations and only then in certain parts of the country.
“In London, Bristol and the public sector towns and cities of England and Wales the Tories went backwards - heavily.
“They won, not only in Scotland, but also in the south west of England, in much of the Midlands, South Yorkshire and the North East. Such are the cross flows of the election that Labour now hold Kensington while the Tories hold Mansfield.”
How exactly did they "win" South Yorkshire? 0 seats. If he means swing to, then yes, but by those criteria Labour swept the South-east!
Maybe I am being unfair, and this paragraph is out of context.0 -
They will fabricate the UK being outside the customs union and single market, as Theresa May said she wanted?Casino_Royale said:
They want the UK to get a worse deal than an EU member, and are willing to fabricate such a situation if needs be, to bring it about.Sean_F said:
It's hard to know what our negotiating partners want. Do they want strong customs checks at the Irish Border, or do they want something similar to the status quo?Scott_P said:
And yet they seem so reluctant to do it.Sean_F said:Taking back responsibility is the whole point of Brexit, I would say.
Border with Ireland?
"Not our problem"
Ummm....
That's it.
It should show (to the intelligent) that being in the EU doesn't matter as much economically as people think it does, or they wouldn't have to pull such stunts to "prove" the point.0 -
No, but practical arrangements could be made on customs alignment and regulatory equivalence that gave both sides most of what they wanted on those, economically, and made UK formal membership of both seem academic.williamglenn said:
They will fabricate the UK being outside the customs union and single market, as Theresa May said she wanted?Casino_Royale said:
They want the UK to get a worse deal than an EU member, and are willing to fabricate such a situation if needs be, to bring it about.Sean_F said:
It's hard to know what our negotiating partners want. Do they want strong customs checks at the Irish Border, or do they want something similar to the status quo?Scott_P said:
And yet they seem so reluctant to do it.Sean_F said:Taking back responsibility is the whole point of Brexit, I would say.
Border with Ireland?
"Not our problem"
Ummm....
That's it.
It should show (to the intelligent) that being in the EU doesn't matter as much economically as people think it does, or they wouldn't have to pull such stunts to "prove" the point.
But, the EU don't want to go there in case the Emperor is found to have no clothes.0 -
Whereas anyone who retweets this in London risks a similar punishment
https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/9004483117857710080 -
Equivalence means maintaining coordination. Independence means ceasing coordination. We can't have the benefits of coordination without its constraints, regardless of what name we call our status.Casino_Royale said:
No, but practical arrangements could be made on customs alignment and regulatory equivalence that gave both sides most of what they wanted on those, economically, and made UK formal membership of both seem academic.williamglenn said:
They will fabricate the UK being outside the customs union and single market, as Theresa May said she wanted?Casino_Royale said:
They want the UK to get a worse deal than an EU member, and are willing to fabricate such a situation if needs be, to bring it about.Sean_F said:
It's hard to know what our negotiating partners want. Do they want strong customs checks at the Irish Border, or do they want something similar to the status quo?Scott_P said:
And yet they seem so reluctant to do it.Sean_F said:Taking back responsibility is the whole point of Brexit, I would say.
Border with Ireland?
"Not our problem"
Ummm....
That's it.
It should show (to the intelligent) that being in the EU doesn't matter as much economically as people think it does, or they wouldn't have to pull such stunts to "prove" the point.
But, the EU don't want to go there in case the Emperor is found to have no clothes.0 -
You make it sound like an absolute, that either we have coordination or we don't.williamglenn said:
Equivalence means maintaining coordination. Independence means ceasing coordination. We can't have the benefits of coordination without its constraints, regardless of what name we call our status.Casino_Royale said:
No, but practical arrangements could be made on customs alignment and regulatory equivalence that gave both sides most of what they wanted on those, economically, and made UK formal membership of both seem academic.williamglenn said:
They will fabricate the UK being outside the customs union and single market, as Theresa May said she wanted?Casino_Royale said:
They want the UK to get a worse deal than an EU member, and are willing to fabricate such a situation if needs be, to bring it about.Sean_F said:
It's hard to know what our negotiating partners want. Do they want strong customs checks at the Irish Border, or do they want something similar to the status quo?Scott_P said:
And yet they seem so reluctant to do it.Sean_F said:Taking back responsibility is the whole point of Brexit, I would say.
Border with Ireland?
"Not our problem"
Ummm....
That's it.
It should show (to the intelligent) that being in the EU doesn't matter as much economically as people think it does, or they wouldn't have to pull such stunts to "prove" the point.
But, the EU don't want to go there in case the Emperor is found to have no clothes.0 -
Quitting the EU is too much of an agg bruv. I fly all over Europe - no way I'm queueing with a load of mugs. Was a naughty idea while it lasted.Casino_Royale said:
No, but practical arrangements could be made on customs alignment and regulatory equivalence that gave both sides most of what they wanted on those, economically, and made UK formal membership of both seem academic.williamglenn said:
They will fabricate the UK being outside the customs union and single market, as Theresa May said she wanted?Casino_Royale said:
They want the UK to get a worse deal than an EU member, and are willing to fabricate such a situation if needs be, to bring it about.Sean_F said:
It's hard to know what our negotiating partners want. Do they want strong customs checks at the Irish Border, or do they want something similar to the status quo?Scott_P said:
And yet they seem so reluctant to do it.Sean_F said:Taking back responsibility is the whole point of Brexit, I would say.
Border with Ireland?
"Not our problem"
Ummm....
That's it.
It should show (to the intelligent) that being in the EU doesn't matter as much economically as people think it does, or they wouldn't have to pull such stunts to "prove" the point.
But, the EU don't want to go there in case the Emperor is found to have no clothes.0 -
isam said:
Whereas anyone who retweets this in London risks a similar punishment
https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/900448311785771008
I got shot yesterday by some tool playing with his airgunisam said:Whereas anyone who retweets this in London risks a similar punishment
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Um. This is williamglenn you're talking about.RobD said:
You make it sound like an absolute, that either we have coordination or we don't.williamglenn said:
Equivalence means maintaining coordination. Independence means ceasing coordination. We can't have the benefits of coordination without its constraints, regardless of what name we call our status.Casino_Royale said:
No, but practical arrangements could be made on customs alignment and regulatory equivalence that gave both sides most of what they wanted on those, economically, and made UK formal membership of both seem academic.williamglenn said:
They will fabricate the UK being outside the customs union and single market, as Theresa May said she wanted?Casino_Royale said:
They want the UK to get a worse deal than an EU member, and are willing to fabricate such a situation if needs be, to bring it about.Sean_F said:
It's hard to know what our negotiating partners want. Do they want strong customs checks at the Irish Border, or do they want something similar to the status quo?Scott_P said:
And yet they seem so reluctant to do it.Sean_F said:Taking back responsibility is the whole point of Brexit, I would say.
Border with Ireland?
"Not our problem"
Ummm....
That's it.
It should show (to the intelligent) that being in the EU doesn't matter as much economically as people think it does, or they wouldn't have to pull such stunts to "prove" the point.
But, the EU don't want to go there in case the Emperor is found to have no clothes.
"Absolute" is what he's all about (one way).0 -
Flying become "agg" way before we even thought of having a referendum on the EU. It hasn't been fun for over 10 years now.StrictlyRhythm said:
Quitting the EU is too much of an agg bruv. I fly all over Europe - no way I'm queueing with a load of mugs. Was a naughty idea while it lasted.Casino_Royale said:
No, but practical arrangements could be made on customs alignment and regulatory equivalence that gave both sides most of what they wanted on those, economically, and made UK formal membership of both seem academic.williamglenn said:
They will fabricate the UK being outside the customs union and single market, as Theresa May said she wanted?Casino_Royale said:
They want the UK to get a worse deal than an EU member, and are willing to fabricate such a situation if needs be, to bring it about.Sean_F said:
It's hard to know what our negotiating partners want. Do they want strong customs checks at the Irish Border, or do they want something similar to the status quo?Scott_P said:
And yet they seem so reluctant to do it.Sean_F said:Taking back responsibility is the whole point of Brexit, I would say.
Border with Ireland?
"Not our problem"
Ummm....
That's it.
It should show (to the intelligent) that being in the EU doesn't matter as much economically as people think it does, or they wouldn't have to pull such stunts to "prove" the point.
But, the EU don't want to go there in case the Emperor is found to have no clothes.
Drive, or take the train or ferry. Much more civilised, and fewer mugs.0 -
Politicians these days are on one. They just make up shite. Zero votes/seats is a win if you are off your nut.dixiedean said:
Mmm, some re-writing of history here? The only regions to show a Lab to Con swing were Scotland and the North-East. The results in the Midlands, Yorkshire and Wales were dire compared to expectations.HYUFD said:
Interesting though the Tories still got their highest voteshare since 1992 and as Hayward saysTheScreamingEagles said:Very interesting from Lord Hayward.
Theresa May’s dire election campaign trashed her own “brand” as badly as Gerald Ratner ruined his family jewellery firm, a leading Tory pollster and peer has declared.
In a frank analysis of his party’s performance at the polls, Lord Hayward said that the election result, plus the Brexit vote and London Mayor election, also proved that the Conservatives can never again rely on “fear” tactics.
The veteran pollster and former MP, who first coined the phrase “shy Tories” to explain the party’s surprise 1992 victory, compared the Prime Minister’s campaign to Ratner famously undermining his own company.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/theresa-may-ratners-trashed-brand-lord-hayward-tory-pollster_uk_599f2eace4b0821444c1e5d7?
“The Tories didn’t lose the election, they lost it against expectations and only then in certain parts of the country.
“In London, Bristol and the public sector towns and cities of England and Wales the Tories went backwards - heavily.
“They won, not only in Scotland, but also in the south west of England, in much of the Midlands, South Yorkshire and the North East. Such are the cross flows of the election that Labour now hold Kensington while the Tories hold Mansfield.”
How exactly did they "win" South Yorkshire? 0 seats. If he means swing to, then yes, but by those criteria Labour swept the South-east!
Maybe I am being unfair, and this paragraph is out of context.0 -
It looks like "Sterling" has been in a longterm decline since we left the gold standard in 1931?Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/900824479269605381another_richard said:It is clear that there would be an immediate and profound shock to our economy.
Oh, wait...
Am I missing something?0 -
You're missing a strong currency. When we join the Euro you'll feel better.GIN1138 said:
It looks like "Sterling" has been in a longterm decline since we left the gold standard in 1931?Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/900824479269605381another_richard said:It is clear that there would be an immediate and profound shock to our economy.
Oh, wait...
Am I missing something?0 -
In case it's of interest to anyone, the current production of Julius Caesar at the RSC is truly excellent (and the first one I've really enjoyed in ages).
No big cuts in the text, and done without gimmicks, but with real insight.
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Give over Will it's too late in the day for that bullsh*t again...williamglenn said:
You're missing a strong currency. When we join the Euro you'll feel better.GIN1138 said:
It looks like "Sterling" has been in a longterm decline since we left the gold standard in 1931?Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/900824479269605381another_richard said:It is clear that there would be an immediate and profound shock to our economy.
Oh, wait...
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https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:A_Good_Riddance_-_George_V_of_the_United_Kingdom_cartoon_in_Punch,_1917.pngScott_P said:@dnotice2012: David Davis discovers the concept of “bargaining power” https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/900829751195074560
Whatever happened to our really strong hand? And German car manufacturers...0 -
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What we want is very simple.Scott_P said:
Whereas it's clear what we want...Sean_F said:It's hard to know what our negotiating partners want. Do they want strong customs checks at the Irish Border, or do they want something similar to the status quo?
Strong border controls that work exactly the same as today.
Ummmm.......
* We want a very hard border with the EU. We want a very soft border with Ireland.
* We want to leave the EU. We want the same access to the EU as now.
If I understand the UK position papers correctly (hat-tip @CarlottaVance ), this will be achieved with computers.
(tries to swallow own fist)
No one really wants to leave now mate. Was a bit of a laugh but no-one can really be fucked. Tracy May should do one - she's fucking boringviewcode said:
What we want is very simple.Scott_P said:
Whereas it's clear what we want...Sean_F said:It's hard to know what our negotiating partners want. Do they want strong customs checks at the Irish Border, or do they want something similar to the status quo?
Strong border controls that work exactly the same as today.
Ummmm.......
* We want a very hard border with the EU. We want a very soft border with Ireland.
* We want to leave the EU. We want the same access to the EU as now.
If I understand the UK position papers correctly (hat-tip @CarlottaVance ), this will be achieved with computers.
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I think Ave_It's teenage son has created another login.0
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Apparently Peter Bone was on Newsnight tonight really saying to viewers that he's the 'centre ground.' Ummm, okay then....
Re students who got their results today. I don't envy those still in the education system at the moment. I'm especially glad that I don't have to deal with the kind of anxiety and nervousness that comes with results days anymore.
In regard to pass marks, weren't exams supposed to be 'tougher' under the Tories? It's not these kids fault if exams aren't the way they should be. Blame the higher ups. Kids are just trying their best, and making do with what they've been given. And if the politicians are at fault here, then well, maybe the electorate need to take a look at why they've been voting for these politicians over the last few decades....0 -
If you charter a plane rather than buying regular tickets you get to use the general aviation terminal and skip the queues.StrictlyRhythm said:
Quitting the EU is too much of an agg bruv. I fly all over Europe - no way I'm queueing with a load of mugs. Was a naughty idea while it lasted.Casino_Royale said:
No, but practical arrangements could be made on customs alignment and regulatory equivalence that gave both sides most of what they wanted on those, economically, and made UK formal membership of both seem academic.williamglenn said:
They will fabricate the UK being outside the customs union and single market, as Theresa May said she wanted?Casino_Royale said:
They want the UK to get a worse deal than an EU member, and are willing to fabricate such a situation if needs be, to bring it about.Sean_F said:
It's hard to know what our negotiating partners want. Do they want strong customs checks at the Irish Border, or do they want something similar to the status quo?Scott_P said:
And yet they seem so reluctant to do it.Sean_F said:Taking back responsibility is the whole point of Brexit, I would say.
Border with Ireland?
"Not our problem"
Ummm....
That's it.
It should show (to the intelligent) that being in the EU doesn't matter as much economically as people think it does, or they wouldn't have to pull such stunts to "prove" the point.
But, the EU don't want to go there in case the Emperor is found to have no clothes.0 -
For the super rich maybe. Might as well go back into the EU. All we've heard about for two years plus from Tracy May etc is Europe. Europe kicks. Better than up north by a stretch.rcs1000 said:
If you charter a plane rather than buying regular tickets you get to use the general aviation terminal and skip the queues.StrictlyRhythm said:
Quitting the EU is too much of an agg bruv. I fly all over Europe - no way I'm queueing with a load of mugs. Was a naughty idea while it lasted.Casino_Royale said:
No, but practical arrangements could be made on customs alignment and regulatory equivalence that gave both sides most of what they wanted on those, economically, and made UK formal membership of both seem academic.williamglenn said:
They will fabricate the UK being outside the customs union and single market, as Theresa May said she wanted?Casino_Royale said:
They want the UK to get a worse deal than an EU member, and are willing to fabricate such a situation if needs be, to bring it about.Sean_F said:
It's hard to know what our negotiating partners want. Do they want strong customs checks at the Irish Border, or do they want something similar to the status quo?Scott_P said:
And yet they seem so reluctant to do it.Sean_F said:Taking back responsibility is the whole point of Brexit, I would say.
Border with Ireland?
"Not our problem"
Ummm....
That's it.
It should show (to the intelligent) that being in the EU doesn't matter as much economically as people think it does, or they wouldn't have to pull such stunts to "prove" the point.
But, the EU don't want to go there in case the Emperor is found to have no clothes.0 -
You've got this bass-ackwards. The UK is leaving the EU, yes? At that point all arrangements cease. This is the "worse deal" that you refer to, and the people fabricating it is us: the UK. According to the position papers, the UK wants a new deal that mimics much of the existing arrangements in order to minimise disruption. Since this is by definition a new deal, it requires actually giving something to the EU - you want a thing, you pay the cost of the thing, and the person who decides the cost is the seller.Casino_Royale said:
They want the UK to get a worse deal than an EU member, and are willing to fabricate such a situation if needs be, to bring it about.Sean_F said:
It's hard to know what our negotiating partners want. Do they want strong customs checks at the Irish Border, or do they want something similar to the status quo?Scott_P said:
And yet they seem so reluctant to do it.Sean_F said:Taking back responsibility is the whole point of Brexit, I would say.
Border with Ireland?
"Not our problem"
Ummm....
That's it.
It should show (to the intelligent) that being in the EU doesn't matter as much economically as people think it does, or they wouldn't have to pull such stunts to "prove" the point.
The UK government is having tremendous difficulty coming to terms with this concept, and is alternating between outright fawning towards the EU ("deep and special relationship") and throwing insults at it (“stubborn and unreasonable”). This is worrying. I am not a Leaver (I know: it's a surprise... ) but if you want to Leave there are ways of doing Leaving correctly, and this just isn't it.
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Bit of Shakespeare bruv? MacBeth's your best play there. I once got roped in to play a witch when my mum's mate got the flu. Quite like the theatricsNigelb said:In case it's of interest to anyone, the current production of Julius Caesar at the RSC is truly excellent (and the first one I've really enjoyed in ages).
No big cuts in the text, and done without gimmicks, but with real insight.0 -
So not even 5p on fishfingers ? Let alone the hundreds of thousands of jobs losses and the 6% fall in GDP.Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/900824479269605381another_richard said:It is clear that there would be an immediate and profound shock to our economy.
Oh, wait...
All those tweets you copied and pasted which predicted disaster and it didn't happen.
Do you feel let down ?0 -
Wrong or merely delayed? We shall see...another_richard said:
So not even 5p on fishfingers ? Let alone the hundreds of thousands of jobs losses and the 6% fall in GDP.Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/900824479269605381another_richard said:It is clear that there would be an immediate and profound shock to our economy.
Oh, wait...
All those tweets you copied and pasted which predicted disaster and it didn't happen.
Do you fell let down ?0 -
The Treasury forecast was pretty unambiguous in terms of the timing.foxinsoxuk said:
Wrong or merely delayed? We shall see...another_richard said:
So not even 5p on fishfingers ? Let alone the hundreds of thousands of jobs losses and the 6% fall in GDP.Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/900824479269605381another_richard said:It is clear that there would be an immediate and profound shock to our economy.
Oh, wait...
All those tweets you copied and pasted which predicted disaster and it didn't happen.
Do you fell let down ?0 -
On topic: who cares what some LibDem nobody says?
He's an old, stupid cock who failed as anti-Business Secretary. He is a stupid old loony of no account, like all LibDems.0 -
Wow, what did Cable ever do to you?Alice_Aforethought said:On topic: who cares what some LibDem nobody says?
He's an old, stupid cock who failed as anti-Business Secretary. He is a stupid old loony of no account, like all LibDems.
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How about the timing of David Davis's forecast? When should Angela expect her door to be knocked down?RobD said:
The Treasury forecast was pretty unambiguous in terms of the timing.foxinsoxuk said:
Wrong or merely delayed? We shall see...another_richard said:
So not even 5p on fishfingers ? Let alone the hundreds of thousands of jobs losses and the 6% fall in GDP.Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/900824479269605381another_richard said:It is clear that there would be an immediate and profound shock to our economy.
Oh, wait...
All those tweets you copied and pasted which predicted disaster and it didn't happen.
Do you fell let down ?
https://twitter.com/DavidDavisMP/status/6952083616257966080 -
Blimey....Alice_Aforethought said:On topic: who cares what some LibDem nobody says?
He's an old, stupid cock who failed as anti-Business Secretary. He is a stupid old loony of no account, like all LibDems.0 -
I'd weigh a forecast by the Treasury more than a tweet from a (then) backbencher.williamglenn said:
How about the timing of David Davis's forecast? When should Angela expect her door to be knocked down?RobD said:
The Treasury forecast was pretty unambiguous in terms of the timing.foxinsoxuk said:
Wrong or merely delayed? We shall see...another_richard said:
So not even 5p on fishfingers ? Let alone the hundreds of thousands of jobs losses and the 6% fall in GDP.Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/900824479269605381another_richard said:It is clear that there would be an immediate and profound shock to our economy.
Oh, wait...
All those tweets you copied and pasted which predicted disaster and it didn't happen.
Do you fell let down ?
https://twitter.com/DavidDavisMP/status/6952083616257966080 -
Maybe the timing was the bit that they were wrong about.RobD said:
The Treasury forecast was pretty unambiguous in terms of the timing.foxinsoxuk said:
Wrong or merely delayed? We shall see...another_richard said:
So not even 5p on fishfingers ? Let alone the hundreds of thousands of jobs losses and the 6% fall in GDP.Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/900824479269605381another_richard said:It is clear that there would be an immediate and profound shock to our economy.
Oh, wait...
All those tweets you copied and pasted which predicted disaster and it didn't happen.
Do you fell let down ?
https://twitter.com/nickreeves9876/status/900848048804417538
Indicators for next year not too bright. Its times like these that I am glad of a secure job and index linked pension, and of course £350 million per week spending money to look forward to 0 -
The Tories won more votes than Labour in the South West and Scotland and the Midlands and they saw a swing to them in South Yorkshire and the North Eastdixiedean said:
Mmm, some re-writing of history here? The only regions to show a Lab to Con swing were Scotland and the North-East. The results in the Midlands, Yorkshire and Wales were dire compared to expectations.HYUFD said:
Interesting though the Tories still got their highest voteshare since 1992 and as Hayward saysTheScreamingEagles said:Very interesting from Lord Hayward.
Theresa May’s dire election campaign trashed her own “brand” as badly as Gerald Ratner ruined his family jewellery firm, a leading Tory pollster and peer has declared.
In a frank analysis of his party’s performance at the polls, Lord Hayward said that the election result, plus the Brexit vote and London Mayor election, also proved that the Conservatives can never again rely on “fear” tactics.
The veteran pollster and former MP, who first coined the phrase “shy Tories” to explain the party’s surprise 1992 victory, compared the Prime Minister’s campaign to Ratner famously undermining his own company.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/theresa-may-ratners-trashed-brand-lord-hayward-tory-pollster_uk_599f2eace4b0821444c1e5d7?
“The Tories didn’t lose the election, they lost it against expectations and only then in certain parts of the country.
“In London, Bristol and the public sector towns and cities of England and Wales the Tories went backwards - heavily.
“They won, not only in Scotland, but also in the south west of England, in much of the Midlands, South Yorkshire and the North East. Such are the cross flows of the election that Labour now hold Kensington while the Tories hold Mansfield.”
How exactly did they "win" South Yorkshire? 0 seats. If he means swing to, then yes, but by those criteria Labour swept the South-east!
Maybe I am being unfair, and this paragraph is out of context.0
