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No similar reaction to Corbyn though.Sean_F said:
Given the reaction to Sadiq Khan, it does not look like a mistake.Peter_the_Punter said:Even after her successful appearance before her MPs at which she acknowledged it was her mess and she was going to clear it up, some commentators here and elsewhere suggested she was just one mistake away from losing her position.
Is this that mistake?
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If this lot ever get near power..Big_G_NorthWales said:People asking Khan to apologise for not supporting Corbyn
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Yep, cowardice is a great look in a PM.Jason said:
Now we know why May didn't go. There would have been a full blown riot, and people would have got hurt. She did the right thing staying away.TGOHF said:Political Genie @PoliticalGenie 3m3 minutes ago
#LondonMayor @SadiqKhan has now left the building to boos and quite a bit of hostility and anger. #GrenfellTower
Political Genie @PoliticalGenie
#LondonMayor still holed up in community centre after being confronted by locals at #GrenfellTower, now heavy police presence.
#LondonMayor @SadiqKhan now hiding in community centre after being set upon by local residents at #GrenfellTower
Doesn't really explain a failure to visit victims in hospital or some other carefully controlled environment. If only she and her team had experience of arranging closed visits well away from the general public to avoid embarrassment....
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Its not a good look when the Mayor turns up and needs 10+ of them to surround him to keep him safe.calum said:0 -
Lol!grabcocque said:
MAYBOTMonikerDiCanio said:May has shown solemn dignity.
Corbyn has tried to milk this tragedy ruthlessly and has looked like he's been enjoying himself.
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The investigation's ongoing: it might be the fridge was a secondary effect of an already-existing fire, not the primary cause. I.e. it was the first thing the man noticed, but the fire had started elsewhere.marke09 said:if t was an exploding fridge arent the manufacturers to blame as well - fridges should not explode
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Regulation is often there to protect the weak and powerless. As an environmentalist, if this is made clearer I for one will delight.another_richard said:
Increased regulation means increased costs which, in this case, means increased rents.Pong said:"Regulation has been denounced as “red tape” and the Conservatives have consistently voted against legislation to regulate landlords’ obligations better. Building regulations for fire prevention and safety have not been reviewed for more than a decade, even though most regulations are re-examined every couple of years to keep pace with changing technology and materials.
The right has gleefully pointed to Brexit as an opportunity for a “bonfire” of red tape. Sparks from a bonfire, however, can sometimes catch. "
https://www.ft.com/content/80c884d4-51af-11e7-a1f2-db19572361bb
There's a trade off for everything.
Think you're looking through the wrong end of the telescope again Moniker. Try lifting the scales...MonikerDiCanio said:May has shown solemn dignity.
Corbyn has tried to milk this tragedy ruthlessly and has looked like he's been enjoying himself.0 -
Yup, and May gets called a coward for not going to meet the residents, although she was probably strongly advised not to go by the police and her security advisers.MonikerDiCanio said:
Their passions have been inflamed by irresponsible opportunists like Corbyn and Lammy.not_on_fire said:
The residents aren't going to get much sympathy if they start acting as a mobBig_G_NorthWales said:Khan needing Police protection from a very angry crowd
The prism of instant, insatiable 24 hours-a-day media, either looking for a victim or a perpetrator. Nothing else matters.0 -
Disgusting corbyn fan in crowd shouting "Why didn't you support corbyn Mr Khan"
Woman at end of khan interview shouting Fcuk you number of times to that guy.0 -
There is that smell in the air of potential riots. Corbyn is stirring it up and May is struggling to keep control. Khan is not going to be respected.0
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Mr. England, the far left lunatics (such as the Shadow Chancellor) are already planning a large march in London to protest against democracy delivering the wrong result.0
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Put the anger on display, mix it with McDonnell's recent and past comments about getting people on the street and the goal of a violent insurrection has real potential to take off.
They were looking for a catalyst to bring down the whole establishment, they now have it.
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Dear god .... A Prime Minister who can't face victims and relatives who have lost everything isn't fit to hold high office.TGOHF said:
Unsurprisingly the PM has better intel on the ground.Sean_F said:
Given the reaction to Sadiq Khan, it does not look like a mistake.Peter_the_Punter said:Even after her successful appearance before her MPs at which she acknowledged it was her mess and she was going to clear it up, some commentators here and elsewhere suggested she was just one mistake away from losing her position.
Is this that mistake?
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The first taste of Corbynite red mob terror.Tykejohnno said:Disgusting corbyn fan in crowd shouting "Why didn't you support corbyn Mr Khan"
Woman at end of khan interview shouting Fcuk you number of times to that guy.0 -
With Jezza calling for people's home to be nicked....GideonWise said:Put the anger on display, mix it with McDonnell's recent and past comments about getting people on the street and the goal of a violent insurrection has real potential to take off.
They were looking for a catalyst to bring down the whole establishment, they now have it.
Quite frightening.0 -
Much regulation is there to protect the vested interests of large companies against innovations and small companies. Such is the cost of regulation and registration now that only the big companies can afford to do it. Not all regulation is bad but for sure not all regulation is good either.Monksfield said:
Regulation is often there to protect the weak and powerless. As an environmentalist, if this is made clearer I for one will delight0 -
Yep.GideonWise said:Put the anger on display, mix it with McDonnell's recent and past comments about getting people on the street and the goal of a violent insurrection has real potential to take off.
They were looking for a catalyst to bring down the whole establishment, they now have it.
Quite frightening.
Youngest daughter is in Acton and eldest granddaughter in Stoke Newington, will tell them to be very careful over the weekend.0 -
Doesn't look like Sadiq will be able to shield himself from the deserved onslaught that is heading in the direction of each and every authority. Has he initiated anything to tackle it even examine the deficiencies of London's tower blocks since be took office?0
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Elect Prince Harry as PM..JackW said:
Dear god .... A Prime Minister who can't face victims and relatives who have lost everything isn't fit to hold high office.TGOHF said:
Unsurprisingly the PM has better intel on the ground.Sean_F said:
Given the reaction to Sadiq Khan, it does not look like a mistake.Peter_the_Punter said:Even after her successful appearance before her MPs at which she acknowledged it was her mess and she was going to clear it up, some commentators here and elsewhere suggested she was just one mistake away from losing her position.
Is this that mistake?0 -
Yes it's worrying,a disaster and number priority is a political leader.MonikerDiCanio said:
The first taste of Corbynite red mob terror.Tykejohnno said:Disgusting corbyn fan in crowd shouting "Why didn't you support corbyn Mr Khan"
Woman at end of khan interview shouting Fcuk you number of times to that guy.0 -
Its easy to say that.Monksfield said:
Regulation is often there to protect the weak and powerless. As an environmentalist, if this is made clearer I for one will delight.another_richard said:
Increased regulation means increased costs which, in this case, means increased rents.Pong said:"Regulation has been denounced as “red tape” and the Conservatives have consistently voted against legislation to regulate landlords’ obligations better. Building regulations for fire prevention and safety have not been reviewed for more than a decade, even though most regulations are re-examined every couple of years to keep pace with changing technology and materials.
The right has gleefully pointed to Brexit as an opportunity for a “bonfire” of red tape. Sparks from a bonfire, however, can sometimes catch. "
https://www.ft.com/content/80c884d4-51af-11e7-a1f2-db19572361bb
There's a trade off for everything.
But when people's costs are higher and their wages are lower and their services fewer they don't like it.0 -
Ironically this could be a danger moment for Corbyn and especially McDonnellnigel4england said:
Yep.GideonWise said:Put the anger on display, mix it with McDonnell's recent and past comments about getting people on the street and the goal of a violent insurrection has real potential to take off.
They were looking for a catalyst to bring down the whole establishment, they now have it.
Quite frightening.
Youngest daughter is in Acton and eldest granddaughter in Stoke Newington, will tell them to be very careful over the weekend.0 -
In reality, it could be anything. Discarded cigarette, burnt toast, candle, phone charger, arson, anything. If the seat of fire is destroyed, we may never know, although fire investigation is pretty good these days. The bigger issue for me is the fire spread and the evacuation failures.JosiasJessop said:
The investigation's ongoing: it might be the fridge was a secondary effect of an already-existing fire, not the primary cause. I.e. it was the first thing the man noticed, but the fire had started elsewhere.marke09 said:if t was an exploding fridge arent the manufacturers to blame as well - fridges should not explode
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I think the whole point was that he was calling for financial investments (residential property used as a piggy bank *not* somebody's home) to be used to house those who have lost their homes. Still a property rights issue, but not the one you imply.FrancisUrquhart said:
With Jezza calling for people's home to be nicked....GideonWise said:Put the anger on display, mix it with McDonnell's recent and past comments about getting people on the street and the goal of a violent insurrection has real potential to take off.
They were looking for a catalyst to bring down the whole establishment, they now have it.
Quite frightening.0 -
Just too many emotions right now. Political games being played as well which is wrong.0
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LOLGIN1138 said:FPT
Because May has blown her majority in a pointless election, destroyed her personal ratings in the process (see today's YouGove data) her deal with the DUP look dead in the water and she's even managed to **** up her response to a national disaster.MikeL said:What's going on on here?
Odds on another GE this year are unchanged since last night at about 3-1.
Why the hysteria?
Otherwise everything is fine. We're all fine now. How are you?0 -
Have to agree with that. The report should be fascinating, if tragic.TwistedFireStopper said:
In reality, it could be anything. Discarded cigarette, burnt toast, candle, phone charger, arson, anything. If the seat of fire is destroyed, we may never know, although fire investigation is pretty good these days. The bigger issue for me is the fire spread and the evacuation failures.JosiasJessop said:
The investigation's ongoing: it might be the fridge was a secondary effect of an already-existing fire, not the primary cause. I.e. it was the first thing the man noticed, but the fire had started elsewhere.marke09 said:if t was an exploding fridge arent the manufacturers to blame as well - fridges should not explode
One thing I'd like to see asked: with all the fires occurring on cladding around the world, why did our regulatory bodies not take another look at our rules? Near misses are as valuable as actual incidents for learning lessons.0 -
Oh dear - another metropolitan luvvie getting stick
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/15/presenter-jon-snow-confronted-angry-mob-grenfell-tower-coverage/
Lily Allen next ?0 -
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Long term danger of course in the wider country but I'd be a lot more worried about the next week and what's going to happen in London.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Ironically this could be a danger moment for Corbyn and especially McDonnellnigel4england said:
Yep.GideonWise said:Put the anger on display, mix it with McDonnell's recent and past comments about getting people on the street and the goal of a violent insurrection has real potential to take off.
They were looking for a catalyst to bring down the whole establishment, they now have it.
Quite frightening.
Youngest daughter is in Acton and eldest granddaughter in Stoke Newington, will tell them to be very careful over the weekend.
I've stopped underestimating Corbyn. He could turn London into a warzone if he chose to.
He needs to be called out for his good cop bad cop act with McDonnell. Time for someone to peel away the Teflon.0 -
Supposedly fires in tower blocks are quite common? It seems the architects and firefighters have both got a pretty good handle on how to tackle this normally, given how rarely they escalate to major disasters like this.TwistedFireStopper said:In reality, it could be anything. Discarded cigarette, burnt toast, candle, phone charger, arson, anything. If the seat of fire is destroyed, we may never know, although fire investigation is pretty good these days. The bigger issue for me is the fire spread and the evacuation failures.
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Would he even know? Has he initiated anything to examine the possibility of fires on the underground? Of a plane crashing on London? Of a bridge collapsing over the Thames?Typo said:Doesn't look like Sadiq will be able to shield himself from the deserved onslaught that is heading in the direction of each and every authority. Has he initiated anything to tackle it even examine the deficiencies of London's tower blocks since be took office?
There are so many ways in which things can go wrong but which one would assume are planned for and protected against. Should an incoming mayor assume that every one before him has been criminally negligent and should instigate examinations and investigations into every aspect of our daily lives?
I am afraid people here are trying to use this tragedy to take cheap shots at whichever politician they happen to dislike.0 -
Mr. Brom, could be wrong but I think I read that McDonnell had already called for a march in London to 'force' May out of Downing Street.0
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It is going to be a very warm weekend too. People will be outdoors and drinking.GideonWise said:Put the anger on display, mix it with McDonnell's recent and past comments about getting people on the street and the goal of a violent insurrection has real potential to take off.
They were looking for a catalyst to bring down the whole establishment, they now have it.
Quite frightening.0 -
No but he's introduced a bus hopper ticket.Typo said:Doesn't look like Sadiq will be able to shield himself from the deserved onslaught that is heading in the direction of each and every authority. Has he initiated anything to tackle it even examine the deficiencies of London's tower blocks since be took office?
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Yeah but that's London. Only about three districts are solely non-prolely (SW3, some streets in Maida Vale, some in Hampstead, some in Mayfair). Everywhere else the two mingle and I think it's healthy. Or "vibrant" as some might put it.another_richard said:
So approximately the gross annual wage in the country to live in a council block.Pulpstar said:
Apparently the rent was 2 grand a month for one of those flats if you're private. Beggars belief.another_richard said:
They are an underclass in that area.dyedwoolie said:
It appears to be general anger. That they feel they are an underclass in that area. It's not Khan but the establishment they appear to be furious with.Richard_Tyndall said:
I really don't understand how anyone could hold Khan responsible for what has happened.dyedwoolie said:Sadiq Khan getting serious hassle. Reports of bottle thrown, very angry scenes, police reinforcements. From Sky.
Inequality, the lack of hope, having your inferiority constantly rubbed in your face isn't good.
There will be millionaire property owners and people earnings hundreds of thousands per year living next to those on minimum wage and social security.
SeanT's street is another example.
This is not healthy for society.0 -
Any violence on the streets would be Lab snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
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Yep 1st July march I believe. He wants a million plus people to march.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Brom, could be wrong but I think I read that McDonnell had already called for a march in London to 'force' May out of Downing Street.
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Just read the telegraph link. Blimey. Other media hasn't covered which is probably just as well.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Brom, could be wrong but I think I read that McDonnell had already called for a march in London to 'force' May out of Downing Street.
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On McDonnell and the march (replies suggest he didn't actually say 'force'):
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How is Khan responsible? We don't know the reasons for this disaster. We can only speculate.Typo said:Doesn't look like Sadiq will be able to shield himself from the deserved onslaught that is heading in the direction of each and every authority. Has he initiated anything to tackle it even examine the deficiencies of London's tower blocks since be took office?
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Oh super. More cars funnelled into central London. More congestion, more casualties, more pollution.PAW said:"Boris Johnson throws support behind tunnel to replace Hammersmith flyover" - start good news in London by funding it now - restart some of his schemes. It isn't too expensive to complete the garden bridge as well.
But hey, there are some more trees to look at just off Coin Street.
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Easy to say that when you're one of those at the top looking down.TOPPING said:
Yeah but that's London. Only about three districts are solely non-prolely (SW3, some streets in Maida Vale, some in Hampstead, some in Mayfair). Everywhere else the two mingle and I think it's healthy. Or "vibrant" as some might put it.another_richard said:
So approximately the gross annual wage in the country to live in a council block.Pulpstar said:
Apparently the rent was 2 grand a month for one of those flats if you're private. Beggars belief.another_richard said:
They are an underclass in that area.dyedwoolie said:
It appears to be general anger. That they feel they are an underclass in that area. It's not Khan but the establishment they appear to be furious with.Richard_Tyndall said:
I really don't understand how anyone could hold Khan responsible for what has happened.dyedwoolie said:Sadiq Khan getting serious hassle. Reports of bottle thrown, very angry scenes, police reinforcements. From Sky.
Inequality, the lack of hope, having your inferiority constantly rubbed in your face isn't good.
There will be millionaire property owners and people earnings hundreds of thousands per year living next to those on minimum wage and social security.
SeanT's street is another example.
This is not healthy for society.
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Yebbut talking about accidents waiting to happen - the Hammersmith flyover collapsing would surprise precisely no one.Bromptonaut said:
Oh super. More cars funnelled into central London. More congestion, more casualties, more pollution.PAW said:"Boris Johnson throws support behind tunnel to replace Hammersmith flyover" - start good news in London by funding it now - restart some of his schemes. It isn't too expensive to complete the garden bridge as well.
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So drop it. Lots of cities have taken out elevated roads to great success - Seoul for example. How many cars do we want? Far fewer I'd suggest.TOPPING said:
Yebbut talking about accidents waiting to happen - the Hammersmith flyover collapsing would surprise precisely no one.Bromptonaut said:
Oh super. More cars funnelled into central London. More congestion, more casualties, more pollution.PAW said:"Boris Johnson throws support behind tunnel to replace Hammersmith flyover" - start good news in London by funding it now - restart some of his schemes. It isn't too expensive to complete the garden bridge as well.
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Extraordinary;Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Brom, could be wrong but I think I read that McDonnell had already called for a march in London to 'force' May out of Downing Street.
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So just how redistributive would you like to be?another_richard said:
Easy to say that when you're one of those at the top looking down.TOPPING said:
Yeah but that's London. Only about three districts are solely non-prolely (SW3, some streets in Maida Vale, some in Hampstead, some in Mayfair). Everywhere else the two mingle and I think it's healthy. Or "vibrant" as some might put it.another_richard said:
So approximately the gross annual wage in the country to live in a council block.Pulpstar said:
Apparently the rent was 2 grand a month for one of those flats if you're private. Beggars belief.another_richard said:
They are an underclass in that area.dyedwoolie said:
It appears to be general anger. That they feel they are an underclass in that area. It's not Khan but the establishment they appear to be furious with.Richard_Tyndall said:
I really don't understand how anyone could hold Khan responsible for what has happened.dyedwoolie said:Sadiq Khan getting serious hassle. Reports of bottle thrown, very angry scenes, police reinforcements. From Sky.
Inequality, the lack of hope, having your inferiority constantly rubbed in your face isn't good.
There will be millionaire property owners and people earnings hundreds of thousands per year living next to those on minimum wage and social security.
SeanT's street is another example.
This is not healthy for society.
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In what way did I say he is responsible?Sean_F said:
How is Khan responsible? We don't know the reasons for this disaster. We can only speculate.Typo said:Doesn't look like Sadiq will be able to shield himself from the deserved onslaught that is heading in the direction of each and every authority. Has he initiated anything to tackle it even examine the deficiencies of London's tower blocks since be took office?
What I clearly meant was that if questions are rightly being asked of government then Khan should also expect them to be asked of his office. There is little point in him taking an accusatory stance on the failure of others if his own office hasn't done anything to tackle or even examine the problem of physically deficient housing stock.0 -
Inevitably May would see her ratings fall after the election but I doubt there will be another election for years, only Labour wants one while the Tories and SNP certainly do not and even if there was Theresa May would not be leading the Tories in it. However I really don't see why May doing photo ops eith Greenfell residents like Corbyn will resolve anything beyond being a PR stunt she did meet the emergency services who are the ones actually dealing with the situation on the ground
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Which is why I've been wondering what was different this time, and an obvious (although perhaps incorrect) answer appears to be the renovation and especially the new cladding, given the events that happened around the world.Andrew said:
Supposedly fires in tower blocks are quite common? It seems the architects and firefighters have both got a pretty good handle on how to tackle this normally, given how rarely they escalate to major disasters like this.TwistedFireStopper said:In reality, it could be anything. Discarded cigarette, burnt toast, candle, phone charger, arson, anything. If the seat of fire is destroyed, we may never know, although fire investigation is pretty good these days. The bigger issue for me is the fire spread and the evacuation failures.
I haven't been able to find much about the original 1970s structure: whether it's wholly reinforced concrete or a steel frame with concrete cladding.0 -
McDonnell does not believe change will be secured through Parliament. He believes it can only happen from the streets.Morris_Dancer said:On McDonnell and the march (replies suggest he didn't actually say 'force'):
https://twitter.com/Paul1Singh/status/875328886841761792
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What a good idea when security is at such a heightened level. Wasting massive amounts of police time.jonny83 said:
Yep 1st July march I believe. He wants a million plus people to march.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Brom, could be wrong but I think I read that McDonnell had already called for a march in London to 'force' May out of Downing Street.
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Sinn Fein effectively ended powersharing anyway when they refused to work with the DUP months agowilliamglenn said:
My sense is that the Brexit negotiations over Northern Ireland will effectively mark the end of the Good Friday Agreement and a new settlement will need to be negotiated this year. The stakes are high.calum said:0 -
Trying to insulate that Khan has some responsibility is a pretty nasty even for you.MonikerDiCanio said:
The people on the ground seem to be venting their anger on Khan. I wonder why.grabcocque said:Who knew that Tories letting the poor burn would have "bad optics"?
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In addition to my suggestion of bolloxing 5% of the greenbelt, maybe it's time for the govt to borrow a trillion quid at 0% and build 5 new Milton Keyneses over the next decade.
Spur them off hs 1/2, or something, subsidize season tickets, wire in terabit internet and give tax breaks for companies relocating staff from london.
They'll be soulless at first but economically successful over time.
Just do it.
Screw the NIMBYs.
2k/month for a flat in that tower block is insane. The housing market is dysfunctional and fuelling social unrest. It's a pressure cooker. Release the valve.0 -
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Why would they risk all they've achieved in the last couple of months?SouthamObserver said:
McDonnell does not believe change will be secured through Parliament. He believes it can only happen from the streets.Morris_Dancer said:On McDonnell and the march (replies suggest he didn't actually say 'force'):
https://twitter.com/Paul1Singh/status/875328886841761792
Like any sane person I'm horrified by the fire but encouraging some sort of insurrection is just going to confirm the worst fears of people wrt to Corbyn/McDonell. Particularly out of London.
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This 'apology' was so insincere I almost threw up. Even then he had to try and take credit for being some kind of saviourSouthamObserver said:
McDonnell does not believe change will be secured through Parliament. He believes it can only happen from the streets.Morris_Dancer said:On McDonnell and the march (replies suggest he didn't actually say 'force'):
https://twitter.com/Paul1Singh/status/875328886841761792
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And do it in the North.Pong said:In addition to my suggestion of bolloxing 5% of the greenbelt, maybe it's time for the govt to borrow a trillion quid at 0% and build 5 new Milton Keyneses over the next decade.
Spur them off hs 1/2, or something, subsidize season tickets, wire in terabit internet and give tax breaks for companies relocating staff from london.
They'll be soulless at first but economically successful over time.
Just do it.
Screw the NIMBYs.
2k/month for a flat in that tower block is insane. The housing market is dysfunctional and fuelling social unrest.
Sounds good.0 -
I take it you are therefore endorsing the old Etonian Boris over the comprehensive educated Hammond and the grammar school educated Davis?TheScreamingEagles said:She's awful. Clearly the latest software patch hasn't worked and we've got an even worse Maybot.
Bring back the posh boys.0 -
May did the right thing judging from the Khan scenes, with her being the Prime Minister it would have been a lot worse.0
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Typo - need to be near jobs, though.
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McDonnell is really not that interested in Labour's seat count except to the extent it gives the far left control within Labour. He is the most extreme of the gang.midwinter said:
Why would they risk all they've achieved in the last couple of months?SouthamObserver said:
McDonnell does not believe change will be secured through Parliament. He believes it can only happen from the streets.Morris_Dancer said:On McDonnell and the march (replies suggest he didn't actually say 'force'):
https://twitter.com/Paul1Singh/status/875328886841761792
Like any sane person I'm horrified by the fire but encouraging some sort of insurrection is just going to confirm the worst fears of people wrt to Corbyn/McDonell. Particularly out of London.
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She could use Boris' water cannon at last?TOPPING said:Any violence on the streets would be Lab snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
Then again, knowing Tezza's luck...0 -
The fire chief was on the radio this morning saying it was different from anything anyone had previously experienced and warned against making assumptions about the causes.Andrew said:
Supposedly fires in tower blocks are quite common? It seems the architects and firefighters have both got a pretty good handle on how to tackle this normally, given how rarely they escalate to major disasters like this.TwistedFireStopper said:In reality, it could be anything. Discarded cigarette, burnt toast, candle, phone charger, arson, anything. If the seat of fire is destroyed, we may never know, although fire investigation is pretty good these days. The bigger issue for me is the fire spread and the evacuation failures.
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Boris isn't posh, he went to Eton on a King's Scholarship.HYUFD said:
I take it you are therefore endorsing the old Etonian Boris over the comprehensive educated Hammond and the grammar school educated Davis?TheScreamingEagles said:She's awful. Clearly the latest software patch hasn't worked and we've got an even worse Maybot.
Bring back the posh boys.
That makes Boris a fecking pleb.0 -
Ok thanks. Come back Cameron and rescue us from the lunatics and incompetents. AsapSouthamObserver said:
McDonnell is really not that interested in Labour's seat count except to the extent it gives the far left control within Labour. He is the most extreme of the gang.midwinter said:
Why would they risk all they've achieved in the last couple of months?SouthamObserver said:
McDonnell does not believe change will be secured through Parliament. He believes it can only happen from the streets.Morris_Dancer said:On McDonnell and the march (replies suggest he didn't actually say 'force'):
https://twitter.com/Paul1Singh/status/875328886841761792
Like any sane person I'm horrified by the fire but encouraging some sort of insurrection is just going to confirm the worst fears of people wrt to Corbyn/McDonell. Particularly out of London.0 -
If this one million march does go ahead and we see riots or shops trashed,what will this do for Corbyn's cred in the eye's of the british public ?0
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Fnarr, fnarr.Scrapheap_as_was said:
She could use Boris' water cannon at last?TOPPING said:Any violence on the streets would be Lab snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
Then again, knowing Tezza's luck...0 -
Make it is easier to build new housing in low cost areas with good transport links.Pong said:In addition to my suggestion of bolloxing 5% of the greenbelt, maybe it's time for the govt to borrow a trillion quid at 0% and build 5 new Milton Keyneses over the next decade.
Spur them off hs 1/2, or something, subsidize season tickets, wire in terabit internet and give tax breaks for companies relocating staff from london.
They'll be soulless at first but economically successful over time.
Just do it.
Screw the NIMBYs.
2k/month for a flat in that tower block is insane. The housing market is dysfunctional and fuelling social unrest. It's a pressure cooker. Release the valve.
More housing in town centres instead of ever increasing numbers of coffee shops, bookies, charity shops, quid shops and other tat shops.
And as you say improve internet speeds.0 -
But people want to live in London.Pong said:In addition to my suggestion of bolloxing 5% of the greenbelt, maybe it's time for the govt to borrow a trillion quid at 0% and build 5 new Milton Keyneses over the next decade.
Spur them off hs 1/2, or something, subsidize season tickets, wire in terabit internet and give tax breaks for companies relocating staff from london.
They'll be soulless at first but economically successful over time.
Just do it.
Screw the NIMBYs.
2k/month for a flat in that tower block is insane. The housing market is dysfunctional and fuelling social unrest. It's a pressure cooker. Release the valve.
London is too low density anyway - no need to build new cities, just knock down parts of London and build rows of 6 story or more apartments like most other European cities do.0 -
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Cameron was one of the incompetents. His arrogance never, for one minute, let him consider he might not have the support of the public.midwinter said:
Ok thanks. Come back Cameron and rescue us from the lunatics and incompetents. AsapSouthamObserver said:
McDonnell is really not that interested in Labour's seat count except to the extent it gives the far left control within Labour. He is the most extreme of the gang.midwinter said:
Why would they risk all they've achieved in the last couple of months?SouthamObserver said:
McDonnell does not believe change will be secured through Parliament. He believes it can only happen from the streets.Morris_Dancer said:On McDonnell and the march (replies suggest he didn't actually say 'force'):
https://twitter.com/Paul1Singh/status/875328886841761792
Like any sane person I'm horrified by the fire but encouraging some sort of insurrection is just going to confirm the worst fears of people wrt to Corbyn/McDonell. Particularly out of London.0 -
Contemplating entryism, Johnno?Tykejohnno said:If this one million march does go ahead and we see riots or shops trashed,what will this do for Corbyn's cred in the eye's of the british public ?
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Residents probably don't know the difference or make the distinction between the Mayor of London and the Borough of Kensington. As far as they are concerned those are the people responsible for what happened.0
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And how do you feel about the prospect of him becoming Chancellor of the Exchequer soon?SouthamObserver said:
McDonnell is really not that interested in Labour's seat count except to the extent it gives the far left control within Labour. He is the most extreme of the gang.midwinter said:
Why would they risk all they've achieved in the last couple of months?SouthamObserver said:
McDonnell does not believe change will be secured through Parliament. He believes it can only happen from the streets.Morris_Dancer said:On McDonnell and the march (replies suggest he didn't actually say 'force'):
https://twitter.com/Paul1Singh/status/875328886841761792
Like any sane person I'm horrified by the fire but encouraging some sort of insurrection is just going to confirm the worst fears of people wrt to Corbyn/McDonell. Particularly out of London.0 -
I would like to shift the tax burden from wages to property and from wealth creation to wealth consumption.TOPPING said:
So just how redistributive would you like to be?another_richard said:
Easy to say that when you're one of those at the top looking down.TOPPING said:
Yeah but that's London. Only about three districts are solely non-prolely (SW3, some streets in Maida Vale, some in Hampstead, some in Mayfair). Everywhere else the two mingle and I think it's healthy. Or "vibrant" as some might put it.another_richard said:
So approximately the gross annual wage in the country to live in a council block.Pulpstar said:
Apparently the rent was 2 grand a month for one of those flats if you're private. Beggars belief.another_richard said:
They are an underclass in that area.dyedwoolie said:
It appears to be general anger. That they feel they are an underclass in that area. It's not Khan but the establishment they appear to be furious with.Richard_Tyndall said:
I really don't understand how anyone could hold Khan responsible for what has happened.dyedwoolie said:Sadiq Khan getting serious hassle. Reports of bottle thrown, very angry scenes, police reinforcements. From Sky.
Inequality, the lack of hope, having your inferiority constantly rubbed in your face isn't good.
There will be millionaire property owners and people earnings hundreds of thousands per year living next to those on minimum wage and social security.
SeanT's street is another example.
This is not healthy for society.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuTMWgOduFM
I've been wondering about how foreign holidays could be taxed - as the UK runs a tourism deficit of £20bn plus it would help to rebalance the economy, would be progressive taxation and could be used to increase funding for new housing and/or public services.0 -
The Khan event makes the optics even worse for her. She looks like she's hiding now. Scared of debates, scared of the publics, scared of disaster victims... it's an easy media narrative to develop, and regardless of whether it's fair, which of course few media narratives are, it has the potential to destroy what's left of her authority inside a couple of days. Someone in no. 10 has to get a grip.jonny83 said:May did the right thing judging from the Khan scenes, with her being the Prime Minister it would have been a lot worse.
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His father was an MEP and worked for the World Bank so he could have afforded the fees if needed and at least Boris (plus Cameron to be fair) went to Eton not a second tier public school like St Paul's a la OsborneTheScreamingEagles said:
Boris isn't posh, he went to Eton on a King's Scholarship.HYUFD said:
I take it you are therefore endorsing the old Etonian Boris over the comprehensive educated Hammond and the grammar school educated Davis?TheScreamingEagles said:She's awful. Clearly the latest software patch hasn't worked and we've got an even worse Maybot.
Bring back the posh boys.
That makes Boris a fecking pleb.0 -
The Tories are responsible, wally.Sean_F said:
How is Khan responsible? We don't know the reasons for this disaster. We can only speculate.Typo said:Doesn't look like Sadiq will be able to shield himself from the deserved onslaught that is heading in the direction of each and every authority. Has he initiated anything to tackle it even examine the deficiencies of London's tower blocks since be took office?
Why do you even need to ask?0 -
The Greenfell Tower shows the problems with such talk. We want housing that is:Pong said:In addition to my suggestion of bolloxing 5% of the greenbelt, maybe it's time for the govt to borrow a trillion quid at 0% and build 5 new Milton Keyneses over the next decade.
Spur them off hs 1/2, or something, subsidize season tickets, wire in terabit internet and give tax breaks for companies relocating staff from london.
They'll be soulless at first but economically successful over time.
Just do it.
Screw the NIMBYs.
2k/month for a flat in that tower block is insane. The housing market is dysfunctional and fuelling social unrest. It's a pressure cooker. Release the valve.
*) Affordable
*) Environmentally sound
*) Safe
*) High quality, e.g. on finish
*) Roomy
*) Quick to build
Many of these requirements are mutually exclusive, especially wrt cost. Frankly, if we want to build a many houses as some people say at an affordable cost, then something has to give. It cannot be safety, so will we be building small, boxy houses that aren't environmentally sound?
And that's just the houses themselves, without considering all the other infrastructure that should go with them.0 -
Wade in there with your top hat, and see what happens.TOPPING said:
Yeah but that's London. Only about three districts are solely non-prolely (SW3, some streets in Maida Vale, some in Hampstead, some in Mayfair). Everywhere else the two mingle and I think it's healthy. Or "vibrant" as some might put it.another_richard said:
So approximately the gross annual wage in the country to live in a council block.Pulpstar said:
Apparently the rent was 2 grand a month for one of those flats if you're private. Beggars belief.another_richard said:
They are an underclass in that area.dyedwoolie said:
It appears to be general anger. That they feel they are an underclass in that area. It's not Khan but the establishment they appear to be furious with.Richard_Tyndall said:
I really don't understand how anyone could hold Khan responsible for what has happened.dyedwoolie said:Sadiq Khan getting serious hassle. Reports of bottle thrown, very angry scenes, police reinforcements. From Sky.
Inequality, the lack of hope, having your inferiority constantly rubbed in your face isn't good.
There will be millionaire property owners and people earnings hundreds of thousands per year living next to those on minimum wage and social security.
SeanT's street is another example.
This is not healthy for society.0 -
Owen Jones ; Street Fighting Pre-Teen.Scrapheap_as_was said:0 -
Well quite.jonny83 said:May did the right thing judging from the Khan scenes, with her being the Prime Minister it would have been a lot worse.
God forbid a Prime Minister shows a modicum of leadership and show some inner steel and face up to her responsibilities as head of government. I suppose we should be grateful that she might turn up at a constituency village fete and man the WI cake stall.
Victoria sponge or coffee and walnut ??0 -
Some of the commentary earlier suggested he was being criticised by the crowd for not supporting Jeremy Corbyn fully. That suggests a fairly sophisticated level of political awareness. Ultimately Corbyn is from the revolutionary side of politics so its not surprising that there are some left wing agitators supporting him.FF43 said:Residents probably don't know the difference or make the distinction between the Mayor of London and the Borough of Kensington. As far as they are concerned those are the people responsible for what happened.
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You can say that till your blue in the face, and we know your views on him are jaundiced due to Europe, but at the moment he's looking like a political colossus in comparison to the morons scrapping it out.Richard_Tyndall said:
Cameron was one of the incompetents. His arrogance never, for one minute, let him consider he might not have the support of the public.midwinter said:
Ok thanks. Come back Cameron and rescue us from the lunatics and incompetents. AsapSouthamObserver said:
McDonnell is really not that interested in Labour's seat count except to the extent it gives the far left control within Labour. He is the most extreme of the gang.midwinter said:
Why would they risk all they've achieved in the last couple of months?SouthamObserver said:
McDonnell does not believe change will be secured through Parliament. He believes it can only happen from the streets.Morris_Dancer said:On McDonnell and the march (replies suggest he didn't actually say 'force'):
https://twitter.com/Paul1Singh/status/875328886841761792
Like any sane person I'm horrified by the fire but encouraging some sort of insurrection is just going to confirm the worst fears of people wrt to Corbyn/McDonell. Particularly out of London.0 -
Lots of fingers needed to count the dosh.calum said:0 -
Do you remember that young girl murdered by her grandmothers's boyfriend, and how poor the estate they lived on seemed to be. I read a report - perhaps in London Reconnections - that since the Wimbledon tram had opened the unemployment rate on that estate had dropped to average. So... to make use of new build houses we also need to move central London jobs out to the fringe.0
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Boris went to the same school as Ed Miliband - makes him posh in my eyes.TheScreamingEagles said:
Boris isn't posh, he went to Eton on a King's Scholarship.HYUFD said:
I take it you are therefore endorsing the old Etonian Boris over the comprehensive educated Hammond and the grammar school educated Davis?TheScreamingEagles said:She's awful. Clearly the latest software patch hasn't worked and we've got an even worse Maybot.
Bring back the posh boys.
That makes Boris a fecking pleb.0 -
I quite like Cameron apart from his bullying ways. But he has possibly the third worst record of any PM since the War. Only surpassed by Eden and May because these two actively colluded in their downfalls whereas Cameron's Brexit clusterfuck was at least inadvertent.Richard_Tyndall said:
Cameron was one of the incompetents. His arrogance never, for one minute, let him consider he might not have the support of the public.midwinter said:
Ok thanks. Come back Cameron and rescue us from the lunatics and incompetents. AsapSouthamObserver said:
McDonnell is really not that interested in Labour's seat count except to the extent it gives the far left control within Labour. He is the most extreme of the gang.midwinter said:
Why would they risk all they've achieved in the last couple of months?SouthamObserver said:
McDonnell does not believe change will be secured through Parliament. He believes it can only happen from the streets.Morris_Dancer said:On McDonnell and the march (replies suggest he didn't actually say 'force'):
https://twitter.com/Paul1Singh/status/875328886841761792
Like any sane person I'm horrified by the fire but encouraging some sort of insurrection is just going to confirm the worst fears of people wrt to Corbyn/McDonell. Particularly out of London.0 -
Plenty of bowing and scraping and forelock tugging one trusts....Casino_Royale said:
Wade in there with your top hat, and see what happens.TOPPING said:
Yeah but that's London. Only about three districts are solely non-prolely (SW3, some streets in Maida Vale, some in Hampstead, some in Mayfair). Everywhere else the two mingle and I think it's healthy. Or "vibrant" as some might put it.another_richard said:
So approximately the gross annual wage in the country to live in a council block.Pulpstar said:
Apparently the rent was 2 grand a month for one of those flats if you're private. Beggars belief.another_richard said:
They are an underclass in that area.dyedwoolie said:
It appears to be general anger. That they feel they are an underclass in that area. It's not Khan but the establishment they appear to be furious with.Richard_Tyndall said:
I really don't understand how anyone could hold Khan responsible for what has happened.dyedwoolie said:Sadiq Khan getting serious hassle. Reports of bottle thrown, very angry scenes, police reinforcements. From Sky.
Inequality, the lack of hope, having your inferiority constantly rubbed in your face isn't good.
There will be millionaire property owners and people earnings hundreds of thousands per year living next to those on minimum wage and social security.
SeanT's street is another example.
This is not healthy for society.0 -
They didn't refuse to work with the DUP, they refused to work with Arlene Forster whilst cash for ash was still unresolved.HYUFD said:
Sinn Fein effectively ended powersharing anyway when they refused to work with the DUP months agowilliamglenn said:
My sense is that the Brexit negotiations over Northern Ireland will effectively mark the end of the Good Friday Agreement and a new settlement will need to be negotiated this year. The stakes are high.calum said:0 -
Probably should have postponed it to August to save doing the job twice.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
I set 'em up.TheScreamingEagles said:
Fnarr, fnarr.Scrapheap_as_was said:
She could use Boris' water cannon at last?TOPPING said:Any violence on the streets would be Lab snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
Then again, knowing Tezza's luck...0
