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TMay's net favourability ratings with YouGov slump to record low. Now down to a net minus 34% while Corbyn soars pic.twitter.com/9kccrrQpcC

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  • Mortimer
    Mortimer Posts: 14,229
    First?
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    She's awful. Clearly the latest software patch hasn't worked and we've got an even worse Maybot.

    Bring back the posh boys.
  • grabcocque
    grabcocque Posts: 4,234
    SOMEBODY STOLE MY FIRST.

    I am outraged.
  • DecrepitJohnL
    DecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    Mortimer said:

    First?

    Like Theresa May? Didn't do her much good.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    This tweet sums it up

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/875354654279966720
  • dyedwoolie
    dyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Sadiq Khan getting serious hassle. Reports of bottle thrown, very angry scenes, police reinforcements. From Sky.
  • calum
    calum Posts: 3,046
    https://twitter.com/FelicityMorse/status/875378116323135488
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    Week, long time and all that.
  • PAW
    PAW Posts: 1,074
    I would set up Boris as the 'other' London Mayor - let him have all the practical ideas to solve this crisis with government support. And the government can set a building products test center.
  • grabcocque
    grabcocque Posts: 4,234
    Who advised May to go, and not meet any of the singed proletariat?

    I can only assume they were trying to sabotage her and the Maybot's malware detection didn't catch it.
  • GIN1138
    GIN1138 Posts: 22,938
    FPT
    MikeL said:

    What's going on on here?

    Odds on another GE this year are unchanged since last night at about 3-1.

    Why the hysteria?

    Because May has blown her majority in a pointless election, destroyed her personal ratings in the process (see today's YouGove data) her deal with the DUP look dead in the water and she's even managed to **** up her response to a national disaster.

    Otherwise everything is fine. We're all fine now. How are you?
  • Morris_Dancer
    Morris_Dancer Posts: 62,742
    Mr. Woolie, that sort of abuse aimed at Khan is not on. People can't complain that one politician didn't visit and then throw bottles when another does.

    Mr. Cocque, worry not, comrade! Under Chairman Corbyn's benevolent leadership the state will confiscate the bourgeois elitist 'first' and redistribute it to the proletariat in accordance with the edicts of the Commissary for Firsts.
  • Yorkcity
    Yorkcity Posts: 4,382
    I hope it was not the Hotpoint tumble dryer that started the fire.The company did not withdraw them even though there was a fault causing many fires around the country .The company sent an engineer to mend the fault .However it took months years to get to all the machines.The company said to unplug them obviously not an ideal situation for a hard pressed families.I believe the fire service were not happy with the situation.My daughter with a disabled child had such a tumble dryer , I removed it and put it in our garage until it could be repaired.I then bought her a new Bosh one.I believe this example shows that the authorities will take risks over life's rather than confront business responsibility
  • Roger
    Roger Posts: 20,744
    For a politician she doesn't do politics well. I was talking to one of JC's constituents recently. This was after he was elected Labour leader but before the election was called. She never thought he would ever be PM but she thought he was a very good and compassionate local MP.
  • dyedwoolie
    dyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Very angry scenes near Grenfell Tower, public anger boiling over. Police on scene.
  • Richard_Tyndall
    Richard_Tyndall Posts: 33,463
    dyedwoolie said:

    Sadiq Khan getting serious hassle. Reports of bottle thrown, very angry scenes, police reinforcements. From Sky.

    I really don't understand how anyone could hold Khan responsible for what has happened.
  • GIN1138
    GIN1138 Posts: 22,938
    edited June 2017
    dyedwoolie said:

    Very angry scenes near Grenfell Tower, public anger boiling over. Police on scene.

    Could this be the start of riots and street disturbances?
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    An alternative view

    https://twitter.com/oliduggan/status/875372732363485184

    Tezza getting lamped, or protesters being subdued by Special Branch would not have been "good optics" either
  • Morris_Dancer
    Morris_Dancer Posts: 62,742
    Mr. Tyndall, indeed. Anger aimed at Khan or May seems utterly baffling to me.
  • dyedwoolie
    dyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    dyedwoolie said:

    Sadiq Khan getting serious hassle. Reports of bottle thrown, very angry scenes, police reinforcements. From Sky.

    I really don't understand how anyone could hold Khan responsible for what has happened.
    It appears to be general anger. That they feel they are an underclass in that area. It's not Khan but the establishment they appear to be furious with.
  • MonikerDiCanio
    MonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    dyedwoolie said:

    Sadiq Khan getting serious hassle. Reports of bottle thrown, very angry scenes, police reinforcements. From Sky.

    I really don't understand how anyone could hold Khan responsible for what has happened.
    Maybe they know something we don't.
  • DanSmith
    DanSmith Posts: 1,215
    dyedwoolie said:

    Very angry scenes near Grenfell Tower, public anger boiling over. Police on scene.

    Heat wave in London for the next 4-5 days, could get lively.
  • another_richard
    another_richard Posts: 27,927
    edited June 2017
    May clearly struggles with empathy issues.

    And she's not skilled enough as a politician to be able to fake it.
  • dyedwoolie
    dyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    GIN1138 said:

    dyedwoolie said:

    Very angry scenes near Grenfell Tower, public anger boiling over. Police on scene.

    Could this be the start of riots and street disturbances?
    I did say yesterday this is very possible. The mood is bleak and enraged and government is in paralysis. It could turn nasty, quickly.
  • Essexit
    Essexit Posts: 1,966
    Reminiscent of Bush and Hurricane Katrina. Grow a personality, Theresa.
  • MikeL
    MikeL Posts: 7,809
    edited June 2017
    GIN1138 said:

    FPT

    MikeL said:

    What's going on on here?

    Odds on another GE this year are unchanged since last night at about 3-1.

    Why the hysteria?

    Because May has blown her majority in a pointless election, destroyed her personal ratings in the process (see today's YouGove data) her deal with the DUP look dead in the water and she's even managed to **** up her response to a national disaster.

    Otherwise everything is fine. We're all fine now. How are you?
    I'm aware of all that, thanks.

    I'm just puzzled as to why if everyone is certain that there is going to be another immediate GE, why haven't the odds changed?
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @SkyNewsBreak: A man has been taken away by police following a disturbance near Grenfell Tower during a visit by Mayor of London Sadiq Khan

    Great Optics...
  • TGOHF
    TGOHF Posts: 21,633
    dyedwoolie said:

    Sadiq Khan getting serious hassle. Reports of bottle thrown, very angry scenes, police reinforcements. From Sky.


    May's fault clearly.
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    The difference between Khan and Corbyn does show it's not party political.

    Khan is in power, Corbyn is not
  • rottenborough
    rottenborough Posts: 66,867
    DanSmith said:

    dyedwoolie said:

    Very angry scenes near Grenfell Tower, public anger boiling over. Police on scene.

    Heat wave in London for the next 4-5 days, could get lively.
    Let's hope not.
  • Richard_Tyndall
    Richard_Tyndall Posts: 33,463
    dyedwoolie said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    dyedwoolie said:

    Sadiq Khan getting serious hassle. Reports of bottle thrown, very angry scenes, police reinforcements. From Sky.

    I really don't understand how anyone could hold Khan responsible for what has happened.
    It appears to be general anger. That they feel they are an underclass in that area. It's not Khan but the establishment they appear to be furious with.
    I do wonder in that case if May was explicitly warned that she should not visit the survivors because of the potential for violence. I am still amazed that they should be venting at a Labour politician who was not in power when the renovations were done and who sure as hell cannot be expected to be aware of the issues.
  • grabcocque
    grabcocque Posts: 4,234
    Who knew that Tories letting the poor burn would have "bad optics"?
  • Brom
    Brom Posts: 3,760
    Scott_P said:

    @SkyNewsBreak: A man has been taken away by police following a disturbance near Grenfell Tower during a visit by Mayor of London Sadiq Khan

    Great Optics...

    Those complaining at her not visiting earlier look a bit silly now. This will do her damage but getting hassled and driven away would only make it worse. The only cool heads at the scene of the disaster will be the police and fire services, not the press or the victims families.
  • RobC
    RobC Posts: 398
    DUP backs Theresa May's vision of Brexit, not Philip Hammond's - ITV News

    Perhaps this is why Phil's not keen in playing ball with DUP
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    A Tory MP speaks (granted he's not an impartial one)

    https://twitter.com/timloughton/status/875369294904909824
  • nigel4england
    nigel4england Posts: 4,800
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    She's awful. Clearly the latest software patch hasn't worked and we've got an even worse Maybot.

    Bring back the posh boys.

    Bring back the Con/LD coalition.

    I've said it a couple of times over the last few days, but I would have voted for the Con/LD coalition in 2015 and 2017.

    Wonder where we would be now if it was an option in 2015
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    RobC said:

    DUP backs Theresa May's vision of Brexit, not Philip Hammond's - ITV News

    Perhaps this is why Phil's not keen in playing ball with DUP

    That story is disputed by others. It explicitly includes a hard border, which the DUP do not support
  • David_Evershed
    David_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    dyedwoolie said:

    Sadiq Khan getting serious hassle. Reports of bottle thrown, very angry scenes, police reinforcements. From Sky.

    I really don't understand how anyone could hold Khan responsible for what has happened.
    Do you have inside knowledge of the responsibility for what happened then? Do we not need a public inquiry?
  • dyedwoolie
    dyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    dyedwoolie said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    dyedwoolie said:

    Sadiq Khan getting serious hassle. Reports of bottle thrown, very angry scenes, police reinforcements. From Sky.

    I really don't understand how anyone could hold Khan responsible for what has happened.
    It appears to be general anger. That they feel they are an underclass in that area. It's not Khan but the establishment they appear to be furious with.
    I do wonder in that case if May was explicitly warned that she should not visit the survivors because of the potential for violence. I am still amazed that they should be venting at a Labour politician who was not in power when the renovations were done and who sure as hell cannot be expected to be aware of the issues.
    Anger is seldom logical when it boils over.
  • Pong
    Pong Posts: 4,693
    edited June 2017
    "Regulation has been denounced as “red tape” and the Conservatives have consistently voted against legislation to regulate landlords’ obligations better. Building regulations for fire prevention and safety have not been reviewed for more than a decade, even though most regulations are re-examined every couple of years to keep pace with changing technology and materials.

    The right has gleefully pointed to Brexit as an opportunity for a “bonfire” of red tape. Sparks from a bonfire, however, can sometimes catch. "

    https://www.ft.com/content/80c884d4-51af-11e7-a1f2-db19572361bb

    Semi-paywalled, frustratingly.
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @PolhomeEditor: Gerry Adams says he has told Theresa May that she was "in breach of the Good Friday Agreement" by seeking a deal with the DUP.
  • kjohnw
    kjohnw Posts: 1,456
    RobC said:

    DUP backs Theresa May's vision of Brexit, not Philip Hammond's - ITV News

    Perhaps this is why Phil's not keen in playing ball with DUP

    The first bit of good news since last Thursday
  • grabcocque
    grabcocque Posts: 4,234
    Police are concerned for the wellbeing of a confused and distressed old lady seen wandering near the Grenfell site earlier today. Answers to the name of Theresa.
  • MonikerDiCanio
    MonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    grabcocque said:

    Who knew that Tories letting the poor burn would have "bad optics"?

    The people on the ground seem to be venting their anger on Khan. I wonder why.
  • JosiasJessop
    JosiasJessop Posts: 46,251
    If there was another snap election in the next month or so, who would lead the Lib Dems into it? Is Farron still technically leader, or is there an interim acting leader before a leadership election?
  • jonny83
    jonny83 Posts: 1,273
    People need to calm the fuck down and let the investigation/inquiry process play out. Politicizing this issue really is the worst thing you can do right now with a lack of calm heads.
  • calum
    calum Posts: 3,046
    https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/875381608475439105
  • another_richard
    another_richard Posts: 27,927
    dyedwoolie said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    dyedwoolie said:

    Sadiq Khan getting serious hassle. Reports of bottle thrown, very angry scenes, police reinforcements. From Sky.

    I really don't understand how anyone could hold Khan responsible for what has happened.
    It appears to be general anger. That they feel they are an underclass in that area. It's not Khan but the establishment they appear to be furious with.
    They are an underclass in that area.

    Inequality, the lack of hope, having your inferiority constantly rubbed in your face isn't good.
  • rottenborough
    rottenborough Posts: 66,867
    Scott_P said:

    @PolhomeEditor: Gerry Adams says he has told Theresa May that she was "in breach of the Good Friday Agreement" by seeking a deal with the DUP.

    Oh dear...
  • Slackbladder
    Slackbladder Posts: 9,800
    Doesn't help to have the leader of the opposition whipping up fear and anger.
  • Tykejohnno
    Tykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    another_richard said:

    May clearly struggles with empathy issues.

    And she's not skilled enough as a politician to be able to fake it.

    Spot on.
  • rottenborough
    rottenborough Posts: 66,867
    JosiasJessop said:

    If there was another snap election in the next month or so, who would lead the Lib Dems into it? Is Farron still technically leader, or is there an interim acting leader before a leadership election?

    iirc Vince is going to be interim.
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    another_richard said:

    dyedwoolie said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    dyedwoolie said:

    Sadiq Khan getting serious hassle. Reports of bottle thrown, very angry scenes, police reinforcements. From Sky.

    I really don't understand how anyone could hold Khan responsible for what has happened.
    It appears to be general anger. That they feel they are an underclass in that area. It's not Khan but the establishment they appear to be furious with.
    They are an underclass in that area.

    Inequality, the lack of hope, having your inferiority constantly rubbed in your face isn't good.
    Apparently the rent was 2 grand a month for one of those flats if you're private. Beggars belief.
  • another_richard
    another_richard Posts: 27,927
    Pong said:

    "Regulation has been denounced as “red tape” and the Conservatives have consistently voted against legislation to regulate landlords’ obligations better. Building regulations for fire prevention and safety have not been reviewed for more than a decade, even though most regulations are re-examined every couple of years to keep pace with changing technology and materials.

    The right has gleefully pointed to Brexit as an opportunity for a “bonfire” of red tape. Sparks from a bonfire, however, can sometimes catch. "

    https://www.ft.com/content/80c884d4-51af-11e7-a1f2-db19572361bb

    Increased regulation means increased costs which, in this case, means increased rents.

    There's a trade off for everything.
  • surbiton
    surbiton Posts: 13,549
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This tweet sums it up

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/875354654279966720

    To be fair, she cannot fake empathy. Then she should not be a politician. We don't elect Managers to run our country.
  • atia2
    atia2 Posts: 207
    dyedwoolie said:

    Very angry scenes near Grenfell Tower, public anger boiling over. Police on scene.

    Unsurprising. There could be 200-300 freshly cremated bodies in that building. It is an outrage that this could happen in any country, let alone a first world country.

    This astonished me earlier:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-40285790/housing-committee-chair-fire-testing-less-rigorous

    The promised benefits of deregulation.
  • TGOHF
    TGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Pulpstar said:

    another_richard said:

    dyedwoolie said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    dyedwoolie said:

    Sadiq Khan getting serious hassle. Reports of bottle thrown, very angry scenes, police reinforcements. From Sky.

    I really don't understand how anyone could hold Khan responsible for what has happened.
    It appears to be general anger. That they feel they are an underclass in that area. It's not Khan but the establishment they appear to be furious with.
    They are an underclass in that area.

    Inequality, the lack of hope, having your inferiority constantly rubbed in your face isn't good.
    Apparently the rent was 2 grand a month for one of those flats if you're private. Beggars belief.
    Which is why the death toll will rise and rise - sub lets , room sharing etc.

  • williamglenn
    williamglenn Posts: 56,290
    calum said:

    https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/875381608475439105

    My sense is that the Brexit negotiations over Northern Ireland will effectively mark the end of the Good Friday Agreement and a new settlement will need to be negotiated this year. The stakes are high.
  • jonny83
    jonny83 Posts: 1,273
    No clue exactly how it played out but If I was May or her adviser I would have met with the families or some of them privately and not in view of cameras or media. Tensions running high and people looking for someone to blame, better off camera.
  • rottenborough
    rottenborough Posts: 66,867
    surbiton said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This tweet sums it up

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/875354654279966720

    To be fair, she cannot fake empathy. Then she should not be a politician. We don't elect Managers to run our country.
    Appears she doesn't like meeting people, public speaking or interviews. Makes you wonder why she became a politician in the first place. I guess some kind of sense of public duty.
  • grabcocque
    grabcocque Posts: 4,234
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  • nigel4england
    nigel4england Posts: 4,800
    Pulpstar said:

    another_richard said:

    dyedwoolie said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    dyedwoolie said:

    Sadiq Khan getting serious hassle. Reports of bottle thrown, very angry scenes, police reinforcements. From Sky.

    I really don't understand how anyone could hold Khan responsible for what has happened.
    It appears to be general anger. That they feel they are an underclass in that area. It's not Khan but the establishment they appear to be furious with.
    They are an underclass in that area.

    Inequality, the lack of hope, having your inferiority constantly rubbed in your face isn't good.
    Apparently the rent was 2 grand a month for one of those flats if you're private. Beggars belief.
    My eldest granddaughter and three of he friends shared a 3-bed flat on an estate in Hackney, rent there was £2,000 a month as well, and that was three years ago
  • PAW
    PAW Posts: 1,074
    "Boris Johnson throws support behind tunnel to replace Hammersmith flyover" - start good news in London by funding it now - restart some of his schemes. It isn't too expensive to complete the garden bridge as well.
  • TGOHF
    TGOHF Posts: 21,633
    jonny83 said:

    No clue exactly how it played out but If I was May or her adviser I would have met with the families or some of them privately and not in view of cameras or media. Tensions running high and people looking for someone to blame, better off camera.

    Best place would have been with the injured at the hospital.
  • MonikerDiCanio
    MonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    May has shown solemn dignity.
    Corbyn has tried to milk this tragedy ruthlessly and has looked like he's been enjoying himself.
  • another_richard
    another_richard Posts: 27,927
    Pulpstar said:

    another_richard said:

    dyedwoolie said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    dyedwoolie said:

    Sadiq Khan getting serious hassle. Reports of bottle thrown, very angry scenes, police reinforcements. From Sky.

    I really don't understand how anyone could hold Khan responsible for what has happened.
    It appears to be general anger. That they feel they are an underclass in that area. It's not Khan but the establishment they appear to be furious with.
    They are an underclass in that area.

    Inequality, the lack of hope, having your inferiority constantly rubbed in your face isn't good.
    Apparently the rent was 2 grand a month for one of those flats if you're private. Beggars belief.
    So approximately the gross annual wage in the country to live in a council block.

    There will be millionaire property owners and people earnings hundreds of thousands per year living next to those on minimum wage and social security.

    SeanT's street is another example.

    This is not healthy for society.
  • PAW
    PAW Posts: 1,074
    And put westway underground too.
  • Jonathan
    Jonathan Posts: 22,107
    PAW said:

    And put westway underground too.

    Heathrow Airport too.
  • grabcocque
    grabcocque Posts: 4,234
    MonikerDiCanio said:

    May has shown solemn dignity.
    Corbyn has tried to milk this tragedy ruthlessly and has looked like he's been enjoying himself.

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  • jonny83
    jonny83 Posts: 1,273
    edited June 2017
    TGOHF said:

    jonny83 said:

    No clue exactly how it played out but If I was May or her adviser I would have met with the families or some of them privately and not in view of cameras or media. Tensions running high and people looking for someone to blame, better off camera.

    Best place would have been with the injured at the hospital.
    I could be way incorrect here but if I recall she did visit injured people in the hospital after the Manchester attack but it was off camera. Which she should have done here.
  • another_richard
    another_richard Posts: 27,927
    rottenborough said:

    surbiton said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This tweet sums it up

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/875354654279966720

    To be fair, she cannot fake empathy. Then she should not be a politician. We don't elect Managers to run our country.
    Appears she doesn't like meeting people, public speaking or interviews. Makes you wonder why she became a politician in the first place. I guess some kind of sense of public duty.
    I wonder how much the CofE background and not being able to have children might have been an influence.
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,733
    dyedwoolie said:

    Sadiq Khan getting serious hassle. Reports of bottle thrown, very angry scenes, police reinforcements. From Sky.

    I am not fan of Khan, but I am not sure how he is at all at fault in this?
  • calum
    calum Posts: 3,046
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    dyedwoolie said:

    Sadiq Khan getting serious hassle. Reports of bottle thrown, very angry scenes, police reinforcements. From Sky.

    I am not fan of Khan, but I am not sure how he is at all at fault in this?
    Live on Sky
  • another_richard
    another_richard Posts: 27,927
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    dyedwoolie said:

    Sadiq Khan getting serious hassle. Reports of bottle thrown, very angry scenes, police reinforcements. From Sky.

    I am not fan of Khan, but I am not sure how he is at all at fault in this?
    He's the establishment and he's not offering change.
  • Jason
    Jason Posts: 1,614
    MonikerDiCanio said:

    May has shown solemn dignity.
    Corbyn has tried to milk this tragedy ruthlessly and has looked like he's been enjoying himself.

    Oh he is, there's no doubt about that. He's enjoying every single delicious second of his fifteen minutes.
  • DanSmith
    DanSmith Posts: 1,215
    MonikerDiCanio said:

    May has shown solemn dignity.
    Corbyn has tried to milk this tragedy ruthlessly and has looked like he's been enjoying himself.

    Nice try but even Guido is saying that Corbyn has played a blinder.
  • TGOHF
    TGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Political Genie‏ @PoliticalGenie 3m3 minutes ago

    #LondonMayor @SadiqKhan has now left the building to boos and quite a bit of hostility and anger. #GrenfellTower

    Political Genie‏ @PoliticalGenie

    #LondonMayor still holed up in community centre after being confronted by locals at #GrenfellTower, now heavy police presence.

    #LondonMayor @SadiqKhan now hiding in community centre after being set upon by local residents at #GrenfellTower

  • Essexit
    Essexit Posts: 1,966
    DanSmith said:

    MonikerDiCanio said:

    May has shown solemn dignity.
    Corbyn has tried to milk this tragedy ruthlessly and has looked like he's been enjoying himself.

    Nice try but even Guido is saying that Corbyn has played a blinder.
    The two are not mutually exclusive.
  • TGOHF
    TGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Mail stoking the flames

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4605674/Firm-paid-2-6m-cladding-Grenfell-collapsed.html

  • trawl
    trawl Posts: 142
    Jesus. David Lammy has already proclaimed the fire as corporate manslaughter . Has a FIT officer even been able to get in the block yet? Really should know better at MP level.
  • Peter_the_Punter
    Peter_the_Punter Posts: 14,779
    Even after her successful appearance before her MPs at which she acknowledged it was her mess and she was going to clear it up, some commentators here and elsewhere suggested she was just one mistake away from losing her position.

    Is this that mistake?
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,733
    trawl said:

    Jesus. David Lammy has already proclaimed the fire as corporate manslaughter . Has a FIT officer even been able to get in the block yet? Really should know better at MP level.

    He has form....
  • Richard_Tyndall
    Richard_Tyndall Posts: 33,463
    David_Evershed said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    dyedwoolie said:

    Sadiq Khan getting serious hassle. Reports of bottle thrown, very angry scenes, police reinforcements. From Sky.

    I really don't understand how anyone could hold Khan responsible for what has happened.
    Do you have inside knowledge of the responsibility for what happened then? Do we not need a public inquiry?
    What a stupid comment. Do you have any evidence what so ever that Khan was in any way aware of issues at this tower block? Moreover why should he be unless someone had specifically contacted him about it?

    Yes we need a public enquiry. No we don't need to be indulging in the sort of dumb partisan insinuations you seem to be making.
  • Jason
    Jason Posts: 1,614
    TGOHF said:

    Political Genie‏ @PoliticalGenie 3m3 minutes ago

    #LondonMayor @SadiqKhan has now left the building to boos and quite a bit of hostility and anger. #GrenfellTower

    Political Genie‏ @PoliticalGenie

    #LondonMayor still holed up in community centre after being confronted by locals at #GrenfellTower, now heavy police presence.

    #LondonMayor @SadiqKhan now hiding in community centre after being set upon by local residents at #GrenfellTower

    Now we know why May didn't go. There would have been a full blown riot, and people would have got hurt. She did the right thing staying away.
  • TwistedFireStopper
    TwistedFireStopper Posts: 2,538
    Khan getting serious grief from the public at his presser. It's a real backlash against the authorities.
  • Big_G_NorthWales
    Big_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,238
    Khan needing Police protection from a very angry crowd
  • SirNorfolkPassmore
    SirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 7,367
    RobC said:

    DUP backs Theresa May's vision of Brexit, not Philip Hammond's - ITV News

    Perhaps this is why Phil's not keen in playing ball with DUP

    The DUP support whatever gives them greatest leverage.

    If you go for a cross-party, soft Brexit, let's get moderate Labour, SNP and Lib Dems on board type vibe, it essentially writes the DUP out. If you go for a Tory-centric approach you have to keep the DUP on board, and they have the blues firmly by the goolies come 2019.
  • another_richard
    another_richard Posts: 27,927
    TGOHF said:

    Pulpstar said:

    another_richard said:

    dyedwoolie said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    dyedwoolie said:

    Sadiq Khan getting serious hassle. Reports of bottle thrown, very angry scenes, police reinforcements. From Sky.

    I really don't understand how anyone could hold Khan responsible for what has happened.
    It appears to be general anger. That they feel they are an underclass in that area. It's not Khan but the establishment they appear to be furious with.
    They are an underclass in that area.

    Inequality, the lack of hope, having your inferiority constantly rubbed in your face isn't good.
    Apparently the rent was 2 grand a month for one of those flats if you're private. Beggars belief.
    Which is why the death toll will rise and rise - sub lets , room sharing etc.

    The hidden truth of modern living.
  • not_on_fire
    not_on_fire Posts: 4,451
    edited June 2017
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Khan needing Police protection from a very angry crowd

    The residents aren't going to get much sympathy if they start acting as a mob
  • marke09
    marke09 Posts: 926
    if t was an exploding fridge arent the manufacturers to blame as well - fridges should not explode
  • Sean_F
    Sean_F Posts: 39,132
    Peter_the_Punter said:

    Even after her successful appearance before her MPs at which she acknowledged it was her mess and she was going to clear it up, some commentators here and elsewhere suggested she was just one mistake away from losing her position.

    Is this that mistake?

    Given the reaction to Sadiq Khan, it does not look like a mistake.
  • Big_G_NorthWales
    Big_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,238
    marke09 said:

    if t was an exploding fridge arent the manufacturers to blame as well - fridges should not explode

    Depends how old it is
  • TGOHF
    TGOHF Posts: 21,633
    marke09 said:

    if t was an exploding fridge arent the manufacturers to blame as well - fridges should not explode

    Green fridge causes green cladding to go up in flames ?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1210334/Alert-new-wave-exploding-fridges-caused-environmentally-friendly-coolant.html

  • MonikerDiCanio
    MonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    not_on_fire said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Khan needing Police protection from a very angry crowd

    The residents aren't going to get much sympathy if they start acting as a mob
    Their passions have been inflamed by irresponsible opportunists like Corbyn and Lammy.
  • TGOHF
    TGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Sean_F said:

    Peter_the_Punter said:

    Even after her successful appearance before her MPs at which she acknowledged it was her mess and she was going to clear it up, some commentators here and elsewhere suggested she was just one mistake away from losing her position.

    Is this that mistake?

    Given the reaction to Sadiq Khan, it does not look like a mistake.
    Unsurprisingly the PM has better intel on the ground.
  • another_richard
    another_richard Posts: 27,927
    marke09 said:

    if t was an exploding fridge arent the manufacturers to blame as well - fridges should not explode

    Depends how old the fridge was, the electrics, what it was being used for and who knows what else.
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,733
    The media need to be really careful here, the past two days they have been spreading all sorts of claims with little to no evidence.

    May has done the right thing by saying there will be a public inquiry to get to the bottom of this.
  • Big_G_NorthWales
    Big_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,238
    People asking Khan to apologise for not supporting Corbyn
  • nigel4england
    nigel4england Posts: 4,800
    I fear we may get riots over the weekend that will be hijacked by rent-a-mob
  • rottenborough
    rottenborough Posts: 66,867
    TGOHF said:

    marke09 said:

    if t was an exploding fridge arent the manufacturers to blame as well - fridges should not explode

    Green fridge causes green cladding to go up in flames ?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1210334/Alert-new-wave-exploding-fridges-caused-environmentally-friendly-coolant.html

    More likely to be a tumble drier - there have been dozens and dozens of incidents with certain brands in recent years.
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