Does the reason for Tim's resignation mean he will not fight his seat again? Or does God not get in the way of him doing weekly surgeries?
Why are you sneering at God, Mr Mark? Are you a heathen or an atheist?
Both. But I'm not sneering at God. I'm sneering at somebody who couldn't see that the clash between his faith and the given liberal attitudes of the day wouldn't survive first contact with the media.
I reckon Davey at 11/1 is value. Former cabinet member, experienced, high profile, decent seat majority. Swinson may not want the job as a young mother. Her odds seem prohibitive, unless someone knows something already.
She'll be 8-11 generally shortly, which is probably fair but not value. I think...
It just dawned on me, every Lib Dem who served in the coalition cabinet either lost their seat or ended up in prison at some point, except Alistair Carmichael
I think that's a pretty dignified and decent statement from Tim Farron.
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Absolutley but suprised he didnt go yesterday. Something happened between 18:00 and 20:00 to change his mind. My in box has one email from him about the deputy leadership election at 18:00 and the less than two hours latter hes gone. All credit to him hes done the right thing and i wish him well
I'm expecting London to be the big loser in the budget, it has told the Tories to fuck off and all the regions will want some pie if NI is getting some too - watch out for additional funding for poorer areas...
Cant understand why Farron isnt defecting to the DUP
Because he has a veey different outlook.
Farron's been trying to dance the line of dividing his personali views with his political ones. It's very much a traditionally liberal line of "I think x is sinful, but my liberal beliefs mean I won't make it illegal".
I think when he ran for leader he thought he could either toe that line or just dodge questions about it.
It became increasingly clear that wasn't going to work.
In which party would those questions be off-limits? Even in the DUP, those questions would be asked and re-asked. So in which party are those questions off-limits? And would a devout Muslim be asked.??
The Labour party regards itself as progressive - I'm sure many are devout Muslims, but would a potential Muslim leader be asked them?
The charge of Islamophobia would follow three seconds later.
In which party would those questions be off-limits? Even in the DUP, those questions would be asked and re-asked. So in which party are those questions off-limits? And would a devout Muslim be asked.??
The Labour party regards itself as progressive - I'm sure many are devout Muslims, but would a potential Muslim leader be asked them?
The charge of Islamophobia would follow three seconds later.
I don't know much about Jo Swinson, not somebody I remember seeing a lot about. Is there any possibility that she would be more willing to come to some arrangement with the conservatives?
I reckon Davey at 11/1 is value. Former cabinet member, experienced, high profile, decent seat majority. Swinson may not want the job as a young mother. Her odds seem prohibitive, unless someone knows something already.
She'll be 8-11 generally shortly, which is probably fair but not value. I think...
Cant understand why Farron isnt defecting to the DUP
Because he has a veey different outlook.
Farron's been trying to dance the line of dividing his personali views with his political ones. It's very much a traditionally liberal line of "I think x is sinful, but my liberal beliefs mean I won't make it illegal".
I think when he ran for leader he thought he could either toe that line or just dodge questions about it.
It became increasingly clear that wasn't going to work.
I don't know much about Jo Swinson, not somebody I remember seeing a lot about. Is there any possibility that she would be more willing to come to some arrangement with the conservatives?
I reckon Davey at 11/1 is value. Former cabinet member, experienced, high profile, decent seat majority. Swinson may not want the job as a young mother. Her odds seem prohibitive, unless someone knows something already.
She'll be 8-11 generally shortly, which is probably fair but not value. I think...
Have a sneaking fealing it will be a crronation, why waste money and time on an election. The only problem is some of the grandees will back lamb or cable but they should have more sense. When paddy stood down they wanted ming but kennedy won, when he went they wanted hune but clegg won and whe clegg went they wanted lamb but tim won. The party wants an activist not a sage and ive been amember for nearly 40 years
I reckon Davey at 11/1 is value. Former cabinet member, experienced, high profile, decent seat majority. Swinson may not want the job as a young mother. Her odds seem prohibitive, unless someone knows something already.
She'll be 8-11 generally shortly, which is probably fair but not value. I think...
Have a sneaking fealing it will be a crronation, why waste money and time on an election. The only problem is some of the grandees will back lamb or cable but they should have more sense. When paddy stood down they wanted ming but kennedy won, when he went they wanted hune but clegg won and whe clegg went they wanted lamb but tim won. The party wants an activist not a sage and ive been amember for nearly 40 years
It shouldn't be a coronation ! We've seen how disastrous those are recently no matter how good we all THINK the candidates are. A proper contest is needed.
I would have thought Vince Cable is the heavyweight the LDs need with Brexit coming up, this is a decade too early for Swinson
Vince Cable is 74. Too old
If Ronald Reagan could be the most powerful man in the world at 74 surely Vince Cable can lead the LDs at the same age? Cable is the heavyweight the LDs require to make the soft Brexit case at this critical time for our country, this is not the right time for Swinson
Vince Cable is far too old to be leader....although I would LOL if they elected him as their leader. TBF, I don't think they'd too badly with him as LD leader.
I reckon Davey at 11/1 is value. Former cabinet member, experienced, high profile, decent seat majority. Swinson may not want the job as a young mother. Her odds seem prohibitive, unless someone knows something already.
She'll be 8-11 generally shortly, which is probably fair but not value. I think...
Have a sneaking fealing it will be a crronation, why waste money and time on an election. The only problem is some of the grandees will back lamb or cable but they should have more sense. When paddy stood down they wanted ming but kennedy won, when he went they wanted hune but clegg won and whe clegg went they wanted lamb but tim won. The party wants an activist not a sage and ive been amember for nearly 40 years
It shouldn't be a coronation ! We've seen how disastrous those are recently no matter how good we all THINK the candidates are. A proper contest is needed.
Yes but on a reduced timescale please and lets ensure we get postal votes unlike my last constituency selection
I reckon Davey at 11/1 is value. Former cabinet member, experienced, high profile, decent seat majority. Swinson may not want the job as a young mother. Her odds seem prohibitive, unless someone knows something already.
She'll be 8-11 generally shortly, which is probably fair but not value. I think...
Have a sneaking fealing it will be a crronation, why waste money and time on an election. The only problem is some of the grandees will back lamb or cable but they should have more sense. When paddy stood down they wanted ming but kennedy won, when he went they wanted hune but clegg won and whe clegg went they wanted lamb but tim won. The party wants an activist not a sage and ive been amember for nearly 40 years
Don't party rules say you need one-eighth of MPs to nominate? If so, that would be 2?
I reckon Davey at 11/1 is value. Former cabinet member, experienced, high profile, decent seat majority. Swinson may not want the job as a young mother. Her odds seem prohibitive, unless someone knows something already.
She'll be 8-11 generally shortly, which is probably fair but not value. I think...
Have a sneaking fealing it will be a crronation, why waste money and time on an election. The only problem is some of the grandees will back lamb or cable but they should have more sense. When paddy stood down they wanted ming but kennedy won, when he went they wanted hune but clegg won and whe clegg went they wanted lamb but tim won. The party wants an activist not a sage and ive been amember for nearly 40 years
It may be a coronation but it is better for the Party if it is not . A leadership election will probably get us 20,000 plus more members .
I reckon Davey at 11/1 is value. Former cabinet member, experienced, high profile, decent seat majority. Swinson may not want the job as a young mother. Her odds seem prohibitive, unless someone knows something already.
She'll be 8-11 generally shortly, which is probably fair but not value. I think...
Have a sneaking fealing it will be a crronation, why waste money and time on an election. The only problem is some of the grandees will back lamb or cable but they should have more sense. When paddy stood down they wanted ming but kennedy won, when he went they wanted hune but clegg won and whe clegg went they wanted lamb but tim won. The party wants an activist not a sage and ive been amember for nearly 40 years
Don't party rules say you need one-eighth of MPs to nominate? If so, that would be 2?
I think that's a pretty dignified and decent statement from Tim Farron.
+1
Absolutley but suprised he didnt go yesterday. Something happened between 18:00 and 20:00 to change his mind. My in box has one email from him about the deputy leadership election at 18:00 and the less than two hours latter hes gone. All credit to him hes done the right thing and i wish him well
In the modern media age Farron was trying to dance on a pin head - and had all the dexterity of Anne Widdecombe limbo dancing on hot coals whilst clad in tight lycra - Not a pretty sight.
The LibDem also had a curates egg of an election. 12 seats, 4 gains and 4 very narrow losses. There are also another 8 seats as viable targets. However outside of these 24 seats the yellow peril have been hollowed out in a vast swath of seats.
The next LibDem leader has one hell of a job. 60+ seats from 2005 is a world from another age.
I don't know much about Jo Swinson, not somebody I remember seeing a lot about. Is there any possibility that she would be more willing to come to some arrangement with the conservatives?
No.
The Lib Dems do best with maverick, twinkle in the eye type leaders. Lets face it, a sense of humour should be part of the job description. Ashdown and Kennedy both had it in spades.
I would have thought Vince Cable is the heavyweight the LDs need with Brexit coming up, this is a decade too early for Swinson
Vince Cable is 74. Too old
If Ronald Reagan could be the most powerful man in the world at 74 surely Vince Cable can lead the LDs at the same age? Cable is the heavyweight the LDs require to make the soft Brexit case at this critical time for our country, this is not the right time for Swinson
I am sure us Lib Dems will take note of your advice before consigning it to the rubbish bin .
I would have thought Vince Cable is the heavyweight the LDs need with Brexit coming up, this is a decade too early for Swinson
Vince Cable is 74. Too old
If Ronald Reagan could be the most powerful man in the world at 74 surely Vince Cable can lead the LDs at the same age? Cable is the heavyweight the LDs require to make the soft Brexit case at this critical time for our country, this is not the right time for Swinson
If Dr Vice does become Lib-Dem leader what will be the combined age of the leaders of Con, Lab and Lib?
Very impressive statement by Farron. I feel very sorry for him being so torn. I'm a churchgoer who is becoming more liberal as time goes on. I do that because my faith is very much based on love God and love thy neighbour. All else is flim flam.
I was expecting big changes bringing the moderates in.
They can't, this would piss off the more extreme wings of his support who literally hate the moderates. It was all over my facebook feed after the election, Chris Leslie was copping a lot of it.
I would have thought Vince Cable is the heavyweight the LDs need with Brexit coming up, this is a decade too early for Swinson
Vince Cable is 74. Too old
If Ronald Reagan could be the most powerful man in the world at 74 surely Vince Cable can lead the LDs at the same age? Cable is the heavyweight the LDs require to make the soft Brexit case at this critical time for our country, this is not the right time for Swinson
I am sure us Lib Dems will take note of your advice before consigning it to the rubbish bin .
Do what you want but the idea 74 is too old to be a leader is absurd, Mitterand, Chirac, Reagan, Churchill all led their countries at that age
I think that's a pretty dignified and decent statement from Tim Farron.
+1
Absolutley but suprised he didnt go yesterday. Something happened between 18:00 and 20:00 to change his mind. My in box has one email from him about the deputy leadership election at 18:00 and the less than two hours latter hes gone. All credit to him hes done the right thing and i wish him well
In the modern media age Farron was trying to dance on a pin head - and had all the dexterity of Anne Widdecombe limbo dancing on hot coals whilst clad in tight lycra - Not a pretty sight.
The LibDem also had a curates egg of an election. 12 seats, 4 gains and 4 very narrow losses. There are also another 8 seats as viable targets. However outside of these 24 seats the yellow peril have been hollowed out in a vast swath of seats.
The next LibDem leader has one hell of a job. 60+ seats from 2005 is a world from another age.
But you forget that local goverment progress is equally important to the party, its in our blood we want to improve peoples lives at every level of government and empower them to be, effectively involved. It may not be a grand ambition but is what atracted us to the party in the first place
Cant understand why Farron isnt defecting to the DUP
Because Farron is tolerant of the views of other religions and voted that way. Others seem intolerant of individual's Christian views, including Paddick, his Home Affairs spokesperson.
I think that's a pretty dignified and decent statement from Tim Farron.
+1
Absolutley but suprised he didnt go yesterday. Something happened between 18:00 and 20:00 to change his mind. My in box has one email from him about the deputy leadership election at 18:00 and the less than two hours latter hes gone. All credit to him hes done the right thing and i wish him well
In the modern media age Farron was trying to dance on a pin head - and had all the dexterity of Anne Widdecombe limbo dancing on hot coals whilst clad in tight lycra - Not a pretty sight.
The LibDem also had a curates egg of an election. 12 seats, 4 gains and 4 very narrow losses. There are also another 8 seats as viable targets. However outside of these 24 seats the yellow peril have been hollowed out in a vast swath of seats.
The next LibDem leader has one hell of a job. 60+ seats from 2005 is a world from another age.
That's a fight for another day. The next step is to get to 20.
Lamb will appeal to Tory voters and that's where LDs need to make more impact come the next election. Swinson will probably win though. Cable not for me.
I would have thought Vince Cable is the heavyweight the LDs need with Brexit coming up, this is a decade too early for Swinson
Vince Cable is 74. Too old
If Ronald Reagan could be the most powerful man in the world at 74 surely Vince Cable can lead the LDs at the same age? Cable is the heavyweight the LDs require to make the soft Brexit case at this critical time for our country, this is not the right time for Swinson
If Dr Vice does become Lib-Dem leader what will be the combined age of the leaders of Con, Lab and Lib?
It is a good thing leaders with experience are coming to the fore again
May: Hi Arlene, do you want to be heading back to NI to explain to your constituents why you put the Sinn Fein loving, terrorist sympathiser into Number 10 Arlene: No May: See you at the Queens speech then. Bye.
Mr O, "It was all over my facebook feed after the election."
The kids only see black and white. Jezza is a saint and all who disobey must be purged. They remind me of the Spanish Inquisition without the tolerance.
I would have thought Vince Cable is the heavyweight the LDs need with Brexit coming up, this is a decade too early for Swinson
Vince Cable is 74. Too old
If Ronald Reagan could be the most powerful man in the world at 74 surely Vince Cable can lead the LDs at the same age? Cable is the heavyweight the LDs require to make the soft Brexit case at this critical time for our country, this is not the right time for Swinson
If Dr Vice does become Lib-Dem leader what will be the combined age of the leaders of Con, Lab and Lib?
It is a good thing leaders with experience are coming to the fore again
Yeah because all the "experience" Theresa May had worked out well in the general election...
Very impressive statement by Farron. I feel very sorry for him being so torn. I'm a churchgoer who is becoming more liberal as time goes on. I do that because my faith is very much based on love God and love thy neighbour. All else is flim flam.
Locally the higher CoE churches are far more liberal than the happy clappy variations....
I would have thought Vince Cable is the heavyweight the LDs need with Brexit coming up, this is a decade too early for Swinson
Vince Cable is 74. Too old
If Ronald Reagan could be the most powerful man in the world at 74 surely Vince Cable can lead the LDs at the same age? Cable is the heavyweight the LDs require to make the soft Brexit case at this critical time for our country, this is not the right time for Swinson
I am sure us Lib Dems will take note of your advice before consigning it to the rubbish bin .
Mark
My advice is to political betting readers - not to the Lib Dems.
I don't know much about Jo Swinson, not somebody I remember seeing a lot about. Is there any possibility that she would be more willing to come to some arrangement with the conservatives?
No.
The Lib Dems do best with maverick, twinkle in the eye type leaders. Lets face it, a sense of humour should be part of the job description. Ashdown and Kennedy both had it in spades.
Vince Cable said of Gordon Brown - from Stalin to Mr Bean. Does that count?
I don't know much about Jo Swinson, not somebody I remember seeing a lot about. Is there any possibility that she would be more willing to come to some arrangement with the conservatives?
No Jo is more to the left of the party than Lamb who is likely to be the only other person that stands. (At least I hope some people tell Vince not to). Indeed at the spring conference she hosted a session with Rachael Maskell from Labour about the progressive alliance The biggest reason why I would not bet on her at these odds (and I wish I had taken the 12/1 2 or 3 weeks ago now) is that it is not clear that she wants the position, I would say that makes Lamb the slightly more appealing option betting wise since he has shown he does want to lead.
I would have thought Vince Cable is the heavyweight the LDs need with Brexit coming up, this is a decade too early for Swinson
Vince Cable is 74. Too old
If Ronald Reagan could be the most powerful man in the world at 74 surely Vince Cable can lead the LDs at the same age? Cable is the heavyweight the LDs require to make the soft Brexit case at this critical time for our country, this is not the right time for Swinson
If Dr Vice does become Lib-Dem leader what will be the combined age of the leaders of Con, Lab and Lib?
It is a good thing leaders with experience are coming to the fore again
Yeah because all the "experience" Theresa May had worked out well in the general election...
Tim's statement reads oddly to me - it's mostly dignified and friendly and then at the end it veers off into wants sounds like genuine bitterness. I know evangelical Christians who feel that they are oppressed in Britain, and that part of the statement has the same flavour.
Personally I don't think they're right - nobody was really nasty to Farron about having his beliefs, but they seemed to sit uneasily with LibDem policies, in the same way as if May suddenly demanded nationalisation of the railways. I think it's reasonable to criticise that.
Norman Lamb seems more likely to accept we are leaving the EU and the single market and the customs union - and so develop more pragmatic Lib Dem policies accordingly.
I think that's a pretty dignified and decent statement from Tim Farron.
+1
Absolutley but suprised he didnt go yesterday. Something happened between 18:00 and 20:00 to change his mind. My in box has one email from him about the deputy leadership election at 18:00 and the less than two hours latter hes gone. All credit to him hes done the right thing and i wish him well
In the modern media age Farron was trying to dance on a pin head - and had all the dexterity of Anne Widdecombe limbo dancing on hot coals whilst clad in tight lycra - Not a pretty sight.
The LibDem also had a curates egg of an election. 12 seats, 4 gains and 4 very narrow losses. There are also another 8 seats as viable targets. However outside of these 24 seats the yellow peril have been hollowed out in a vast swath of seats.
The next LibDem leader has one hell of a job. 60+ seats from 2005 is a world from another age.
But you forget that local goverment progress is equally important to the party, its in our blood we want to improve peoples lives at every level of government and empower them to be, effectively involved. It may not be a grand ambition but is what atracted us to the party in the first place
I don't forget it all. Local government remains important to the LibDems, and rightly so, but it is not an inevitable precursor to parliamentary success. Look at Eastleigh last week and there have been many such cases down the decades.
I don't know much about Jo Swinson, not somebody I remember seeing a lot about. Is there any possibility that she would be more willing to come to some arrangement with the conservatives?
No Jo is more to the left of the party than Lamb who is likely to be the only other person that stands. (At least I hope some people tell Vince not to). Indeed at the spring conference she hosted a session with Rachael Maskell from Labour about the progressive alliance The biggest reason why I would not bet on her at these odds (and I wish I had taken the 12/1 2 or 3 weeks ago now) is that it is not clear that she wants the position, I would say that makes Lamb the slightly more appealing option betting wise since he has shown he does want to lead.
I don't know much about Jo Swinson, not somebody I remember seeing a lot about. Is there any possibility that she would be more willing to come to some arrangement with the conservatives?
I very much doubt it. She got cynically decapitated along with 49 colleagues after the last arrangement with the Conservatives.
can you do number of votes won and number of seats in Scotland
and then stop being a tit
That was all down to Ruth Davidson.
the fact that May got 3 million votes more than Cameron did in 2010 ?
we learn new things every day
first election Cameron 307 seats May 318
She screwed up the opportunity.
She started on 331, Dave stated on 198.
As ever you just keep picking your scabs people like you will keep the tories out of power for years
yes she screwed up, so did Caneron in 2010
The crash, the expenses scandal and a popular 3rd party screwed the Tories in 2017, plus of cause the lingering memories of the Euro whack jobs. Lucky May learnt from that.
can you do number of votes won and number of seats in Scotland
and then stop being a tit
That was all down to Ruth Davidson.
the fact that May got 3 million votes more than Cameron did in 2010 ?
we learn new things every day
first election Cameron 307 seats May 318
She screwed up the opportunity.
She started on 331, Dave stated on 198.
Cameron was clearly the best election winner the Tories have had since Thatcher but I would still put May above Hague and Howard in terms of general election performance if below Major. She also polled well above what IDS was polling during his leadership
Tim's statement reads oddly to me - it's mostly dignified and friendly and then at the end it veers off into wants sounds like genuine bitterness. I know evangelical Christians who feel that they are oppressed in Britain, and that part of the statement has the same flavour.
Personally I don't think they're right - nobody was really nasty to Farron about having his beliefs, but they seemed to sit uneasily with LibDem policies, in the same way as if May suddenly demanded nationalisation of the railways. I think it's reasonable to criticise that.
To be a genuine Christian in modern Britain is to be an outlaw. It's now compulsory to applaud the gravest sins.
Mr O, "It was all over my facebook feed after the election."
The kids only see black and white. Jezza is a saint and all who disobey must be purged. They remind me of the Spanish Inquisition without the tolerance.
It's still going on, when Labour today went after the government about the horrific fire in London and people said that it was rather too soon I was reading stuff about not saying something it just as much a political act as saying something. So everything is a political act now comrade, I thought the incestuous semantics of the socialist left was dead. I was wrong.
I would have thought Vince Cable is the heavyweight the LDs need with Brexit coming up, this is a decade too early for Swinson
Vince Cable is 74. Too old
If Ronald Reagan could be the most powerful man in the world at 74 surely Vince Cable can lead the LDs at the same age? Cable is the heavyweight the LDs require to make the soft Brexit case at this critical time for our country, this is not the right time for Swinson
I am sure us Lib Dems will take note of your advice before consigning it to the rubbish bin .
Do what you want but the idea 74 is too old to be a leader is absurd, Mitterand, Chirac, Reagan, Churchill all led their countries at that age
Cable was the emergency stop gap candidate for Twickenham. It wasn't his intention to stand in 2020. He was ready for other retiring things.
Super Theresa! - first CON to get 40% since 1992! - best CON result in Scotland since 1983! - first time CON have increased vote share 3rd time in government since 1959! - first ever CON win Mansfield and Stoke on Trent South!
LOL posh boys and BREXIT losers CAMO and OSBO (who slashed my pension to pay for IHT reductions for people built on family money) good riddance!
Go DUP our allies!!
Anyway BREXIT is boring so I will be back in 5 years for #THERESA22!
can you do number of votes won and number of seats in Scotland
and then stop being a tit
That was all down to Ruth Davidson.
the fact that May got 3 million votes more than Cameron did in 2010 ?
we learn new things every day
first election Cameron 307 seats May 318
She screwed up the opportunity.
She started on 331, Dave stated on 198.
Cameron was clearly the best election winner the Tories have had since Thatcher but I would still put May above Hague and Howard in terms of general election performance if below Major. She also polled well above what IDS was polling during his leadership
Tim's statement reads oddly to me - it's mostly dignified and friendly and then at the end it veers off into wants sounds like genuine bitterness. I know evangelical Christians who feel that they are oppressed in Britain, and that part of the statement has the same flavour.
Personally I don't think they're right - nobody was really nasty to Farron about having his beliefs, but they seemed to sit uneasily with LibDem policies, in the same way as if May suddenly demanded nationalisation of the railways. I think it's reasonable to criticise that.
It became obvious that he had a problem about personal beliefs versus actual votes on legislation, which even if you look more closely at his abstentions were because he wanted wider inclusion within whay was being passed. Once the media got their teeth into this it completely destroyed the party message. It is sad that our media is more interested in extracting a slip up rather than exploring real policy. In many ways it was the same with corbyn with paxman but he handled it much better. Short concise answers put the interviewer down move on please
Vince Cable is far too old to be leader....although I would LOL if they elected him as their leader. TBF, I don't think they'd too badly with him as LD leader.
Really though, it should be Jo Swinson.
Why should it, another Social Democrat would be another missed opportunity, a proper Liberal could make some decent inroads against both Labour and the Conservatives, Cable probably could as well with his profile. Liberal's have far better calibre candidates available, they will go nowhere with Swinson.
can you do number of votes won and number of seats in Scotland
and then stop being a tit
That was all down to Ruth Davidson.
the fact that May got 3 million votes more than Cameron did in 2010 ?
we learn new things every day
first election Cameron 307 seats May 318
Interesting snippets, but hard to argue with the fact that Cameron's achievement in 2010 was by far the greater. His judgement in having a referendum rather dooms him to be remembered for the wrong thing.
can you do number of votes won and number of seats in Scotland
and then stop being a tit
That was all down to Ruth Davidson.
the fact that May got 3 million votes more than Cameron did in 2010 ?
we learn new things every day
first election Cameron 307 seats May 318
She screwed up the opportunity.
She started on 331, Dave stated on 198.
Cameron was clearly the best election winner the Tories have had since Thatcher but I would still put May above Hague and Howard in terms of general election performance if below Major. She also polled well above what IDS was polling during his leadership
I would have thought Vince Cable is the heavyweight the LDs need with Brexit coming up, this is a decade too early for Swinson
Vince Cable is 74. Too old
If Ronald Reagan could be the most powerful man in the world at 74 surely Vince Cable can lead the LDs at the same age? Cable is the heavyweight the LDs require to make the soft Brexit case at this critical time for our country, this is not the right time for Swinson
I am sure us Lib Dems will take note of your advice before consigning it to the rubbish bin .
Do what you want but the idea 74 is too old to be a leader is absurd, Mitterand, Chirac, Reagan, Churchill all led their countries at that age
Cable was the emergency stop gap candidate for Twickenham. It wasn't his intention to stand in 2020. He was ready for other retiring things.
Maybe but the opportunity has clearly presented itself so he should go for it
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I think...
Why can't Tim join the DUP?
Farron's been trying to dance the line of dividing his personali views with his political ones. It's very much a traditionally liberal line of "I think x is sinful, but my liberal beliefs mean I won't make it illegal".
I think when he ran for leader he thought he could either toe that line or just dodge questions about it.
It became increasingly clear that wasn't going to work.
A lot of those moderates owe him, one way or another.
In which party would those questions be off-limits? Even in the DUP, those questions would be asked and re-asked. So in which party are those questions off-limits? And would a devout Muslim be asked.??
The Labour party regards itself as progressive - I'm sure many are devout Muslims, but would a potential Muslim leader be asked them?
The charge of Islamophobia would follow three seconds later.
Sammy has real liberal tendancies
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/MAYOR+SETTLES+NAKED+ROMP+PICTURES+ROW;+Sammy+wins+damages+over...-a065830098
We've seen how disastrous those are recently no matter how good we all THINK the candidates are. A proper contest is needed.
Interesting that he has gone after increasing Lib-Dem seats (albeit only slightly) while May clings on after blowing her majority....
"Did they ask those questions of Sadiq Khan?"
I'm not sure Sadiq qualifies as 'devout', but I don't remember it.
Edit: I might be wrong as to 'devout;' but it's his business anyway.
Really though, it should be Jo Swinson.
The LibDem also had a curates egg of an election. 12 seats, 4 gains and 4 very narrow losses. There are also another 8 seats as viable targets. However outside of these 24 seats the yellow peril have been hollowed out in a vast swath of seats.
The next LibDem leader has one hell of a job. 60+ seats from 2005 is a world from another age.
I suspect Ms Swinson will win as it's a woman's turn because you haven't had one yet. But feel free to ignore my advice as I'm a lapsed LD voter.
can you do number of votes won and number of seats in Scotland
and then stop being a tit
May: Hi Arlene, do you want to be heading back to NI to explain to your constituents why you put the Sinn Fein loving, terrorist sympathiser into Number 10
Arlene: No
May: See you at the Queens speech then. Bye.
"It was all over my facebook feed after the election."
The kids only see black and white. Jezza is a saint and all who disobey must be purged. They remind me of the Spanish Inquisition without the tolerance.
Also, she wouldn't get confused with a Tory MP all the time but she's bound to be repeatedly autocorrected to Swindon...
My advice is to political betting readers - not to the Lib Dems.
we learn new things every day
first election Cameron 307 seats May 318
Indeed at the spring conference she hosted a session with Rachael Maskell from Labour about the progressive alliance
The biggest reason why I would not bet on her at these odds (and I wish I had taken the 12/1 2 or 3 weeks ago now) is that it is not clear that she wants the position, I would say that makes Lamb the slightly more appealing option betting wise since he has shown he does want to lead.
Personally I don't think they're right - nobody was really nasty to Farron about having his beliefs, but they seemed to sit uneasily with LibDem policies, in the same way as if May suddenly demanded nationalisation of the railways. I think it's reasonable to criticise that.
She started on 331, Dave stated on 198.
Here she is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gp2iF1V4ZtM
yes she screwed up, so did Caneron in 2010
Nice work
An over promoted councillor, not a political leader.
So everything is a political act now comrade, I thought the incestuous semantics of the socialist left was dead. I was wrong.
Super Theresa!
- first CON to get 40% since 1992!
- best CON result in Scotland since 1983!
- first time CON have increased vote share 3rd time in government since 1959!
- first ever CON win Mansfield and Stoke on Trent South!
LOL posh boys and BREXIT losers CAMO and OSBO (who slashed my pension to pay for IHT reductions for people built on family money) good riddance!
Go DUP our allies!!
Anyway BREXIT is boring so I will be back in 5 years for #THERESA22!
See you later
Not a political point - a genuine question. How do your party's LBGT policies sit with your Muslim MPs and voters?
STV is like AV on steroids.
1. Cameron
2. Thatcher
3.Howard
4. Eden
5.Macmillan
6. Hague
7. May
8.Heath
9.Home
10.Churchill
Lib Dem solution to Brexit from Swindon/Swinson at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Swindon_Magic_Roundabout.svg
His judgement in having a referendum rather dooms him to be remembered for the wrong thing.