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Tim Farron 'to quit as leader of the Liberal Democrats' https://t.co/URHrPlV5no pic.twitter.com/SBpcjKehDW

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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190
    edited June 2017
    First like Jo.

    So Tim is upset that some liberals aren't tolerant of his conservative Christian views. Interesting.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,028
    I would have thought Vince Cable is the heavyweight the LDs need with Brexit coming up, this is a decade too early for Swinson
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,290
    edited June 2017
    Third

    Anyone but Vince.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,487
    The real sin of Tim Farron was to make his apology about gay sex look forced rather than genuine
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    MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    HYUFD said:

    I would have thought Vince Cable is the heavyweight the LDs need with Brexit coming up, this is a decade too early for Swinson

    Vince Cable is 74. Too old

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    OchEyeOchEye Posts: 1,469
    How many Orange Bookists are still in Parliament?
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    Is he staying as an MP?
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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,949
    Bookies cutting a few contenders, but Swinson steaming in towards evens well in the lead.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,125
    OchEye said:

    How many Orange Bookists are still in Parliament?

    Is Mister Fishfinger an Orange Booker? He's certainly very orange....
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,487
    Norman Lamb v Jo Swinson would be a good contest for the Lib Dems
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    HYUFD said:

    I would have thought Vince Cable is the heavyweight the LDs need with Brexit coming up, this is a decade too early for Swinson

    Vince Cable is 74. Too old

    What about distinguished editors of PB and venerable old Jacobites ?!?
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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,949
    edited June 2017
    nunu said:

    Is he staying as an MP?

    His statement does nothing to suggest otherwise. So...probably.

    EDIT: See statement.

    https://twitter.com/larisamlbrown/status/875045165777473537
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,125
    Does the reason for Tim's resignation mean he will not fight his seat again? Or does God not get in the way of him doing weekly surgeries?
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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,949
    Full statement (Part 1):

    This last two years have seen the Liberal Democrats recover since the devastation of the 2015 election.

    That recovery was never inevitable but we have seen the doubling of our party membership, growth in council elections, our first parliamentary by-election win for more than a decade, and most recently our growth at the 2017 general election.

    Most importantly the Liberal Democrats have established ourselves with a significant and distinctive role - passionate about Europe, free trade, strong well-funded public services underpinned by a growing market economy.

    No one else occupies that space. Against all the odds, the Liberal Democrats matter again.

    We can be proud of the progress we have made together, although there is much more we need to do.

    From the very first day of my leadership, I have faced questions about my Christian faith. I've tried to answer with grace and patience. Sometimes my answers could have been wiser.

    At the start of this election, I found myself under scrutiny again - asked about matters to do with my faith. I felt guilty that this focus was distracting attention from our campaign, obscuring our message.

    Journalists have every right to ask what they see fit. The consequences of the focus on my faith is that I have found myself torn between living as a faithful Christian and serving as a political leader.

    A better, wiser person than me may have been able to deal with this more successfully, to have remained faithful to Christ while leading a political party in the current environment.

    To be a political leader - especially of a progressive, liberal party in 2017 - and to live as a committed Christian, to hold faithfully to the Bible's teaching, has felt impossible for me.

    I'm a liberal to my finger tips, and that liberalism means that I am passionate about defending the rights and liberties of people who believe different things to me.

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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,487
    @jimwaterson: Turns out the promise of eternal salvation is more tempting than leading the Liberal Democrats for a few more years, I guess.
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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,949
    There are Christians in politics who take the view that they should impose the tenets of faith on society, but I have not taken that approach because I disagree with it - it's not liberal and it is counterproductive when it comes to advancing the gospel.

    Even so, I seem to be the subject of suspicion because of what I believe and who my faith is in.

    In which case we are kidding ourselves if we think we yet live in a tolerant, liberal society.

    That's why I have chosen to step down as leader of the Liberal Democrats.

    I intend to serve until the parliamentary recess begins next month, at which point there will be a leadership election according to the party’s rules.

    This is a historic time in British politics. What happens in the next months and years will shape our country for generations.

    My successor will inherit a party that is needed now more than ever before. Our future as an open, tolerant and united country is at stake.

    The cause of British liberalism has never been needed more. People who will fight for a Britain that is confident, generous and compassionate are needed more than ever before.

    That is the challenge our party and my successor faces and the opportunity I am certain that they will rise to.

    I want to say one more thing: I joined our party when I was 16, it is in my blood, I love our history, our people, I thoroughly love my party.

    Imagine how proud I am to lead this party. And then imagine what would lead me to voluntarily relinquish that honour.

    In the words of Isaac Watts it would have to be something 'so amazing, so divine, (it) demands my heart, my life, my all'.
    Thank you,

    Tim
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,125
    Worst leader would be a fight between Cable and Davey. Both Has-beens-who-never-really-were....
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    Conservative GAIN Westmorland & Lonsdale.

    Surely Norman Lamb is nailed on as next leader?
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,487

    Worst leader would be a fight between Cable and Davey. Both Has-beens-who-never-really-were....

    Vince Cable did what Thatcher didn't have the balls to do, privatise Royal Mail.
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    I think the way Tim has been treated because of his faith has been disgraceful.
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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,949
    Jo Swinson now odds on with numerous bookies and Betfair.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,125

    Worst leader would be a fight between Cable and Davey. Both Has-beens-who-never-really-were....

    Vince Cable did what Thatcher didn't have the balls to do, privatise Royal Mail.
    At an utterly shite price.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,643
    nunu said:

    I think the way Tim has been treated because of his faith has been disgraceful.

    In what respect ?
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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,949

    Conservative GAIN Westmorland & Lonsdale.

    Surely Norman Lamb is nailed on as next leader?

    Jo Swinson is seen as some kind of messiah by lots of LD members, and Norman Lamb - though respected - has coalition ties far more.

    Swinson was talked about as next leader even when our polling position was so bad she wasn't favourite to win her seat.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,487
    Sounds like some Tory MPs are channelling me

    There is growing anger among Tory MPs that May has misplayed her hand in these negotiations. By announcing that the Conservatives would govern in conjunction with the DUP, she made it so that any failure to do so would look like weakness. MPs believe that entering into a formal agreement with the DUP is not in the party’s interest as (a) given the DUP’s record on LGBT rights, it risks toxifying the Tory brand by association, and (b) it means the power is with the DUP.

    They reckon May ought to have called their bluff. After all, the alternative for the unionists to voting with the Conservatives is a Corbyn-led government and given the low regard Foster’s party hold the Labour leader in, they’re unlikely to do that anytime soon.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,395
    nunu said:

    I think the way Tim has been treated because of his faith has been disgraceful.

    Agreed.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    Worst leader would be a fight between Cable and Davey. Both Has-beens-who-never-really-were....

    Do you consider Conservative cabinet ministers "Has beens-who-never-really-were."

    Foolish comment MM. Unworthy of you.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929

    Worst leader would be a fight between Cable and Davey. Both Has-beens-who-never-really-were....

    Vince Cable did what Thatcher didn't have the balls to do, privatise Royal Mail.
    At an utterly shite price.
    I didn't sign up for the Royal Mail share offer because I believed the Government would sell it at a fair market price, thus it should end up about level on the first day of trading...
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,487
    PBers will be shocked by this behaviour by Stewart Jackson


    https://twitter.com/taralepore/status/875006506437160960
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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,949
    Quincel said:

    Conservative GAIN Westmorland & Lonsdale.

    Surely Norman Lamb is nailed on as next leader?

    Jo Swinson is seen as some kind of messiah by lots of LD members, and Norman Lamb - though respected - has coalition ties far more.

    Swinson was talked about as next leader even when our polling position was so bad she wasn't favourite to win her seat.
    Note however that Shadsy agrees with you. He had Lamb as favourite until 10 minutes ago, and even now has the two of them very close.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,290

    Sounds like some Tory MPs are channelling me

    There is growing anger among Tory MPs that May has misplayed her hand in these negotiations. By announcing that the Conservatives would govern in conjunction with the DUP, she made it so that any failure to do so would look like weakness. MPs believe that entering into a formal agreement with the DUP is not in the party’s interest as (a) given the DUP’s record on LGBT rights, it risks toxifying the Tory brand by association, and (b) it means the power is with the DUP.

    They reckon May ought to have called their bluff. After all, the alternative for the unionists to voting with the Conservatives is a Corbyn-led government and given the low regard Foster’s party hold the Labour leader in, they’re unlikely to do that anytime soon.

    Sure it would get them past the QS but leave them in a potential pickle thereafter.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Pulpstar said:

    Some of the results in Scotland were simply awful for the Lib Dems. Inverness must be the worst of the lot.

    Wings over Scotland has a handy guide of constituencies with mass Lib Dem to SCon switching.
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    One thing that shines through this statement is that Tim Farron is incredibly devout.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,643
    One man survived the fire, being rescued from the 10th floor, twelve hours after it took hold:
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/14/miracle-rescue-desperate-elderly-man-saved-grenfell-tower-12/
    To some extent, then, fire separation worked within the building, as opposed to the exterior.
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    nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    Tims heart was always in westmorland, he knew that there were several good candidates to replce him, he has a battle to hold his seat and is private views would always distract from the message. I dont blame him fo going hes done his job motivating the membership. Lets just hope cable has got the sense not to stand and leave it open for Swinson.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    Are the DUP outplaying May in the negotiations ?

    I'm SHOCKED
    SHOCKED I tell you.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,850
    I think that's a pretty dignified and decent statement from Tim Farron.
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    corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549

    PBers will be shocked by this behaviour by Stewart Jackson


    https://twitter.com/taralepore/status/875006506437160960

    Has be got a little black book or something?
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    nielhnielh Posts: 1,307
    Farron was a nice guy, but the lib dems should have made a lot more headway at the last election, given the circumstances.
    The christian faith thing was a bit of a sideshow.
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    MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,203
    Are people forgetting Jo has a very young baby?
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,125
    JackW said:

    Worst leader would be a fight between Cable and Davey. Both Has-beens-who-never-really-were....

    Do you consider Conservative cabinet ministers "Has beens-who-never-really-were."

    Foolish comment MM. Unworthy of you.
    They were not remotely in the same class as Clegg, Lamb or Webb.

    And recent Tory Cabinets have not been without duds.
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    chloechloe Posts: 308
    Pulpstar said:

    Are the DUP outplaying May in the negotiations ?

    I'm SHOCKED
    SHOCKED I tell you.
    She needs to go
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    corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549

    Conservative GAIN Westmorland & Lonsdale.

    Surely Norman Lamb is nailed on as next leader?

    Hardly an inside tip, but I'd favour Swinson to win it
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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,949
    nielh said:

    Farron was a nice guy, but the lib dems should have made a lot more headway at the last election, given the circumstances.
    The christian faith thing was a bit of a sideshow.

    Maybe, but the other view is that in the tightest two-party squeeze since 1970 (in terms of two-party vote share) the LDs held their ground and gained seats - much better than UKIP or the Greens.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,487
    Pulpstar said:

    Are the DUP outplaying May in the negotiations ?

    I'm SHOCKED
    SHOCKED I tell you.
    Why do I get the feeling this agreement is getting announced on July 12th?
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,850
    Nigelb said:

    One man survived the fire, being rescued from the 10th floor, twelve hours after it took hold:
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/14/miracle-rescue-desperate-elderly-man-saved-grenfell-tower-12/
    To some extent, then, fire separation worked within the building, as opposed to the exterior.

    I think it's a miracle that so many people escaped. I can't imagine the terror that they went through.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929

    Are people forgetting Jo has a very young baby?

    No. If she runs, she wins though. I'm happy enough to be on at 5-2 for £40, its not a complete shoo in though. I'd hope her husband can help with the baby !
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,487
    edited June 2017
    It just dawned on me, every Lib Dem who served in the coalition cabinet either lost their seat or ended up in prison at some point, except Alistair Carmichael
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Sean_F said:

    I think that's a pretty dignified and decent statement from Tim Farron.

    +1
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,125
    Spotlight (local SW news) suggesting if the PM gives goodies to Northern Ireland at the expense of sorting out the SW rail links, there could be 30 disgruntled SW MPs who start agitating for a leadership challenge......
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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,949
    edited June 2017
    Big divergence in the markets emerging. LadbrokesCoral holding Swinson at 2.5, almost everyone else nearer 1.5.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    Why do I get the feeling there are alot of offers for babysitting that will be forthcoming in East Dunbartonshire :) ?
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,487

    Spotlight (local SW news) suggesting if the PM gives goodies to Northern Ireland at the expense of sorting out the SW rail links, there could be 30 disgruntled SW MPs who start agitating for a leadership challenge......

    I made that point on Sunday.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,101

    It just dawned on me, every Lib Dem who served in the coalition cabinet either lost their seat or ended up in prison at some point, except Alistair Carmichael

    You've got me baffled.

    Which LibDem ended up in prison but didn't lose their seat ?
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    macisbackmacisback Posts: 382
    Great news on Farron, a proper Liberal leader would give the electorate a little more choice. The current main offer of big business v unions with a pair of pretty dismal leaders needs some decent challenge, a wet lettuce, statist religious crank was pretty tragic for the Liberals.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,487
    edited June 2017
    There's no way Jo Swinson can be Lib Dem leader, she's younger than me.

    #FeelsOld
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Shadow Cabinet expected to be announced this evening

    Paul Waugh reports that all Whips have been confirmed in their positions.
    So that would be Alan Campbell, Mark Tami, Jessica Morden, Judith Cummins, Vicky Foxcroft, Chris Elmore, Thangam Debbonaire, Nick Smith, Jeff Smith, Karl Turner, Nik Dakin


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    ArtistArtist Posts: 1,882
    Norman Lamb would struggle to get heard/noticed you'd imagine. At least with Cable, he has a bit of clout and some people would recognise him.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929

    Spotlight (local SW news) suggesting if the PM gives goodies to Northern Ireland at the expense of sorting out the SW rail links, there could be 30 disgruntled SW MPs who start agitating for a leadership challenge......

    I made that point on Sunday.
    Mercer will hold the whip
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    steve_garnersteve_garner Posts: 1,019
    Very dignified and heartfelt statement by Tim Farron. I always thought him too lightweight to be a party leader but that was a brave statement. He has my respect for making it rather than expressing some meaningless guff.
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    VerulamiusVerulamius Posts: 1,435
    The question about whether gay sex is a sin is a hot topic in the Anglican Church at the moment. Last week the Scottish Episcopal Church voted to change church canons to permit same sex marriage. Other provinces of the Anglican Church are strongly against same sex marriage.

    Beliefs are strong in both sides of the argument.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,487

    It just dawned on me, every Lib Dem who served in the coalition cabinet either lost their seat or ended up in prison at some point, except Alistair Carmichael

    You've got me baffled.

    Which LibDem ended up in prison but didn't lose their seat ?
    Chris Huhne, he resigned as an MP, rather than lost his seat in an election.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,643

    nunu said:

    I think the way Tim has been treated because of his faith has been disgraceful.

    Agreed.
    In what regard ?

    He himself admits in his statement that he found it difficult reconciling his faith with leading an avowedly liberal party.
    To expect the media (or his political opponents) to studiously ignore this potential issue during the election campaign is surely to hold them to a standard far higher than you would expect for (say) Corbyn, May or Abbott ?

    Such treatment is part and parcel of participating in the democratic process. And always has been.
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    BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 7,995

    HYUFD said:

    I would have thought Vince Cable is the heavyweight the LDs need with Brexit coming up, this is a decade too early for Swinson

    Vince Cable is 74. Too old

    And too conceited.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,395

    Sounds like some Tory MPs are channelling me

    There is growing anger among Tory MPs that May has misplayed her hand in these negotiations. By announcing that the Conservatives would govern in conjunction with the DUP, she made it so that any failure to do so would look like weakness. MPs believe that entering into a formal agreement with the DUP is not in the party’s interest as (a) given the DUP’s record on LGBT rights, it risks toxifying the Tory brand by association, and (b) it means the power is with the DUP.

    They reckon May ought to have called their bluff. After all, the alternative for the unionists to voting with the Conservatives is a Corbyn-led government and given the low regard Foster’s party hold the Labour leader in, they’re unlikely to do that anytime soon.

    I wonder if her confidence might simply be shot..
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    jonny83jonny83 Posts: 1,261
    Reasonable statement, if his faith comes into conflict with his job as leader then something had to change so he has stuck with his faith which is fair enough. Didn't know he was/is so devout, he's a fellow Rover and seems like a decent bloke that's all I knew.

    I assume he will stay on as an MP?
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,125
    Nigelb said:

    nunu said:

    I think the way Tim has been treated because of his faith has been disgraceful.

    Agreed.
    In what regard ?

    He himself admits in his statement that he found it difficult reconciling his faith with leading an avowedly liberal party.
    To expect the media (or his political opponents) to studiously ignore this potential issue during the election campaign is surely to hold them to a standard far higher than you would expect for (say) Corbyn, May or Abbott ?

    Such treatment is part and parcel of participating in the democratic process. And always has been.
    There's nothing in Farron's resignation statement that shouldn't have stopped him from standing in the first place.
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    EPGEPG Posts: 6,013
    Great leader who was about as under-estimated as Corbyn, even after the election where he saved the liberal political tradition in the UK.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,101

    It just dawned on me, every Lib Dem who served in the coalition cabinet either lost their seat or ended up in prison at some point, except Alistair Carmichael

    You've got me baffled.

    Which LibDem ended up in prison but didn't lose their seat ?
    Chris Huhne, he resigned as an MP, rather than lost his seat in an election.
    I thought you would say Huhne.

    But I'd count resigning in disgrace having been sent to the wrong sort of other place counts as losing their seat.

    And Eastleigh went Con in 2015 as well.
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    BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 7,995
    edited June 2017
    Quincel said:

    nunu said:

    Is he staying as an MP?

    His statement does nothing to suggest otherwise. So...probably.

    EDIT: See statement.

    https://twitter.com/larisamlbrown/status/875045165777473537
    He goes on to say:

    Imagine how proud I am to lead this party.  And then imagine what would lead me to voluntarily relinquish that honour.

    In the words of Isaac Watts it would have to be something 'so amazing, so divine, (it) demands my heart, my life, my all'.


    What was it? I think it was God.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,487

    Sounds like some Tory MPs are channelling me

    There is growing anger among Tory MPs that May has misplayed her hand in these negotiations. By announcing that the Conservatives would govern in conjunction with the DUP, she made it so that any failure to do so would look like weakness. MPs believe that entering into a formal agreement with the DUP is not in the party’s interest as (a) given the DUP’s record on LGBT rights, it risks toxifying the Tory brand by association, and (b) it means the power is with the DUP.

    They reckon May ought to have called their bluff. After all, the alternative for the unionists to voting with the Conservatives is a Corbyn-led government and given the low regard Foster’s party hold the Labour leader in, they’re unlikely to do that anytime soon.

    I wonder if her confidence might simply be shot..
    My own theory is that she's surrounded by enemies/people she doesn't know, and she doesn't know what to do, or whom to turn to.

    Her Chiefs of Staff are gone.

    Her Chancellor is someone she wanted to sack, but is now making demands of her.

    She wanted to demote Boris to the Party Chairmanship, is now keeping her in power.

    All self inflicted wounds, but there we are.
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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    Bloody hell, this quick?

    Meanwhile, it's interesting to know that Private Eye lurk on PB.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,259
    edited June 2017
    Ok, BF now saying I lost the UK - Party Leaders / Next Leader To Leave market. Even though I had Farron.

    I'm pretty sure that a) 10 mins ago the market said Farron was the winner, just after suspension and b) the list was of main party - not UKIP.

    Anyone else?
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,395
    You need both charm and guile to be good at negotiating. And know when to apply one, and then the other, and be on top of your brief, and flexible but also firm.

    Do we have a Tory like that?

    (The above isn't a code for a Remain BINO sell out either)
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    PClippPClipp Posts: 2,138

    Does the reason for Tim's resignation mean he will not fight his seat again? Or does God not get in the way of him doing weekly surgeries?

    Why are you sneering at God, Mr Mark? Are you a heathen or an atheist?
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,288
    Corbyn might be shuffling the deck...again.

    https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/875052138547826688
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    edited June 2017
    Single transferrable vote :open_mouth:
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Pulpstar said:

    Why do I get the feeling there are alot of offers for babysitting that will be forthcoming in East Dunbartonshire :) ?

    Hubby will cope
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    CD13CD13 Posts: 6,351
    "I think the way Tim has been treated because of his faith has been disgraceful."

    I wonder if a Muslim leader would have been asked the same questions? I suspect not.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,643

    Nigelb said:

    nunu said:

    I think the way Tim has been treated because of his faith has been disgraceful.

    Agreed.
    In what regard ?

    He himself admits in his statement that he found it difficult reconciling his faith with leading an avowedly liberal party.
    To expect the media (or his political opponents) to studiously ignore this potential issue during the election campaign is surely to hold them to a standard far higher than you would expect for (say) Corbyn, May or Abbott ?

    Such treatment is part and parcel of participating in the democratic process. And always has been.
    There's nothing in Farron's resignation statement that shouldn't have stopped him from standing in the first place.
    That's more or less how I feel about it.
    I respect his beliefs, and while I might not share them I wouldn't dream of suggesting that he ought not to hold them - but if so strongly held, then their incompatibility with leading a secular liberal party was always going to be there.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,850
    nielh said:

    Farron was a nice guy, but the lib dems should have made a lot more headway at the last election, given the circumstances.
    The christian faith thing was a bit of a sideshow.

    I think the Lib Dems did about as well as they could have hoped for.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,758
    Cant understand why Farron isnt defecting to the DUP
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    BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 7,995
    Quincel said:

    Quincel said:

    Conservative GAIN Westmorland & Lonsdale.

    Surely Norman Lamb is nailed on as next leader?

    Jo Swinson is seen as some kind of messiah by lots of LD members, and Norman Lamb - though respected - has coalition ties far more.

    Swinson was talked about as next leader even when our polling position was so bad she wasn't favourite to win her seat.
    Note however that Shadsy agrees with you. He had Lamb as favourite until 10 minutes ago, and even now has the two of them very close.
    I put a lump on Swinson with Ladbrokes at 6/4 just before the price shortened.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929

    Sounds like some Tory MPs are channelling me

    There is growing anger among Tory MPs that May has misplayed her hand in these negotiations. By announcing that the Conservatives would govern in conjunction with the DUP, she made it so that any failure to do so would look like weakness. MPs believe that entering into a formal agreement with the DUP is not in the party’s interest as (a) given the DUP’s record on LGBT rights, it risks toxifying the Tory brand by association, and (b) it means the power is with the DUP.

    They reckon May ought to have called their bluff. After all, the alternative for the unionists to voting with the Conservatives is a Corbyn-led government and given the low regard Foster’s party hold the Labour leader in, they’re unlikely to do that anytime soon.

    I wonder if her confidence might simply be shot..
    My own theory is that she's surrounded by enemies/people she doesn't know, and she doesn't know what to do, or whom to turn to.

    Her Chiefs of Staff are gone.

    Her Chancellor is someone she wanted to sack, but is now making demands of her.

    She wanted to demote Boris to the Party Chairmanship, is now keeping her in power.

    All self inflicted wounds, but there we are.
    Who will you be voting for in the forthcoming Tory leadership election ?
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    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831
    dr_spyn said:

    Corbyn might be shuffling the deck...again.

    https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/875052138547826688

    Surely Dawn Butler should be Shadow Minister for Identity Politics - would be a more honest job title
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited June 2017
    Ian Lavery is new Labour party chairman

    Shadow Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government and Shadow Minister for the Constitutional Convention: Andrew Gwynne. He replaces Teresa Pearce who already said some months ago she would going to step down from the role

    Shadow Secretary for Scotland: Lesley Laird

    Shadow Secretary for Northern Ireland: Owen Smith

    Shadow minister for Diverse communities: Dawn Butler
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,643
    CD13 said:

    "I think the way Tim has been treated because of his faith has been disgraceful."

    I wonder if a Muslim leader would have been asked the same questions? I suspect not.

    A Muslim leader *of an avowedly liberal party*, if they held such opinions on abortion and gay marriage ? Then absolutely, they would.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,487
    Pulpstar said:

    Who will you be voting for in the forthcoming Tory leadership election ?

    I have no idea.

    Anyone but Boris.

    But I can't vote for David Davis, or what I call the headbanging Tombstone group/Hard Brexit gives them the wood.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929


    Shadow Secretary for Northern Ireland: Owen Smith

    Lol Corbyn definitely has a sense of humour.

    "And for you Owen"
    "Northern Ireland"
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    atia2atia2 Posts: 207
    I reckon Davey at 11/1 is value. Former cabinet member, experienced, high profile, decent seat majority. Swinson may not want the job as a young mother. Her odds seem prohibitive, unless someone knows something already.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787



    JackW said:

    Worst leader would be a fight between Cable and Davey. Both Has-beens-who-never-really-were....

    Do you consider Conservative cabinet ministers "Has beens-who-never-really-were."

    Foolish comment MM. Unworthy of you.
    They were not remotely in the same class as Clegg, Lamb or Webb.

    And recent Tory Cabinets have not been without duds.
    I disagree.

    All cabinet ministers get marks for staying the course against the odds. Cable more so as he was essential for keeping his wing of the LibDems on board. Barely a week passed without ill informed comment on Vince leaving. In fact he was totally committed to the Coalition - ensuring "strong and stable government". Remember that?

    Many moons ago Mrs T thought privatizing the Post Office utterly impossible. If you'd have told her a LibDem would have championed it into fruition she'd have had you locked up for your own safety.

    Cable, Davey and all the LibDem ministers have plenty of credit in the bank in my view. I have little doubt they knew that the junior partner was in for a shellacking at the 2015 election. In 2010 they put the country first. The nation was not grateful five years later. Politics is a brutal business, twas ever thus.

    "Has beens who never were" you say - Wildly off the mark old chap.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,850

    You need both charm and guile to be good at negotiating. And know when to apply one, and then the other, and be on top of your brief, and flexible but also firm.

    Do we have a Tory like that?

    (The above isn't a code for a Remain BINO sell out either)

    If it's a one-off deal, you can be as hard as nails.

    If you need to work in partnership, you don't want a deal that's too good, because you don't want a resentful partner. The DUP need to remember that.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,125
    edited June 2017
    PClipp said:

    Does the reason for Tim's resignation mean he will not fight his seat again? Or does God not get in the way of him doing weekly surgeries?

    Why are you sneering at God, Mr Mark? Are you a heathen or an atheist?
    Both. But I'm not sneering at God. I'm sneering at somebody who couldn't see that the clash between his faith and the given liberal attitudes of the day wouldn't survive first contact with the media.
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    Nigelb said:

    nunu said:

    I think the way Tim has been treated because of his faith has been disgraceful.

    Agreed.
    In what regard ?

    He himself admits in his statement that he found it difficult reconciling his faith with leading an avowedly liberal party.
    To expect the media (or his political opponents) to studiously ignore this potential issue during the election campaign is surely to hold them to a standard far higher than you would expect for (say) Corbyn, May or Abbott ?

    Such treatment is part and parcel of participating in the democratic process. And always has been.
    Everyone's out of step bar me but I do not think Farron says his Christianity itself was the issue but that journalists would not let it go, so whatever message he intended was hijacked and turned into yet another press conference about his faith.
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    PClippPClipp Posts: 2,138
    edited June 2017



    JackW said:

    Do you consider Conservative cabinet ministers "Has beens-who-never-really-were." Foolish comment MM. Unworthy of you.

    They were not remotely in the same class as Clegg, Lamb or Webb. And recent Tory Cabinets have not been without duds.
    Pretty well all the current Tory ministers are duds, Mr Mark. Finally we agree on something!
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    There's no way Jo Swinson can be Lib Dem leader, she's younger than me.

    #FeelsOld

    You should take comfort in the fact that she's almost certainly owns a pair of red shoes.
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