can you do number of votes won and number of seats in Scotland
and then stop being a tit
That was all down to Ruth Davidson.
the fact that May got 3 million votes more than Cameron did in 2010 ?
we learn new things every day
first election Cameron 307 seats May 318
She screwed up the opportunity.
She started on 331, Dave stated on 198.
As ever you just keep picking your scabs people like you will keep the tories out of power for years
yes she screwed up, so did Caneron in 2010
Balls. I'm making sure people remember what helps Tories win elections and seats.
what a load of self serving crap
you have ignored for years that prties only win elections if they have a broad church electorate. you egged on alienating traditional tory supporters, ramped Osbornes Uni fees and waffled on Leveson isntead of building houses
in effect you are as bad as the corynites who only have their version of the party and stuff the rest
I think that's a pretty dignified and decent statement from Tim Farron.
+1
Absolutley but suprised he didnt go yesterday. Something happened between 18:00 and 20:00 to change his mind. My in box has one email from him about the deputy leadership election at 18:00 and the less than two hours latter hes gone. All credit to him hes done the right thing and i wish him well
In the modern media age Farron was trying to dance on a pin head - and had all the dexterity of Anne Widdecombe limbo dancing on hot coals whilst clad in tight lycra - Not a pretty sight.
The LibDem also had a curates egg of an election. 12 seats, 4 gains and 4 very narrow losses. There are also another 8 seats as viable targets. However outside of these 24 seats the yellow peril have been hollowed out in a vast swath of seats.
The next LibDem leader has one hell of a job. 60+ seats from 2005 is a world from another age.
But you forget that local goverment progress is equally important to the party, its in our blood we want to improve peoples lives at every level of government and empower them to be, effectively involved. It may not be a grand ambition but is what atracted us to the party in the first place
I don't forget it all. Local government remains important to the LibDems, and rightly so, but it is not an inevitable precursor to parliamentary success. Look at Eastleigh last week and there have been many such cases down the decades.
Yes jack i lost money on easliegh based on the local elections and also wells and cheltenham but at least OXWAB rescued me
I think that's a pretty dignified and decent statement from Tim Farron.
+1
Absolutley but suprised he didnt go yesterday. Something happened between 18:00 and 20:00 to change his mind. My in box has one email from him about the deputy leadership election at 18:00 and the less than two hours latter hes gone. All credit to him hes done the right thing and i wish him well
In the modern media age Farron was trying to dance on a pin head - and had all the dexterity of Anne Widdecombe limbo dancing on hot coals whilst clad in tight lycra - Not a pretty sight.
The LibDem also had a curates egg of an election. 12 seats, 4 gains and 4 very narrow losses. There are also another 8 seats as viable targets. However outside of these 24 seats the yellow peril have been hollowed out in a vast swath of seats.
The next LibDem leader has one hell of a job. 60+ seats from 2005 is a world from another age.
That's a fight for another day. The next step is to get to 20.
Quite so. 12 current seats and then 8 from :
Richmond Park, Fife NE, St Ives, Cornwall North, Devon North, Ceredigeon, Brecon & Radnor, Lewes, Eastleigh, Cheltenham, Cheadle and Hazel Grove,
Tim's statement reads oddly to me - it's mostly dignified and friendly and then at the end it veers off into wants sounds like genuine bitterness. I know evangelical Christians who feel that they are oppressed in Britain, and that part of the statement has the same flavour.
Personally I don't think they're right - nobody was really nasty to Farron about having his beliefs, but they seemed to sit uneasily with LibDem policies, in the same way as if May suddenly demanded nationalisation of the railways. I think it's reasonable to criticise that.
Farron's argument is that he never imposed his beliefs on others, and in fact pushed for the greatest liberality, but he is judged by others' prejudices against his kind of belief by people who claim that they are liberal and he isn't. It's an interesting argument and has some merit IMO.
Vince Cable is far too old to be leader....although I would LOL if they elected him as their leader. TBF, I don't think they'd too badly with him as LD leader.
Really though, it should be Jo Swinson.
Why should it, another Social Democrat would be another missed opportunity, a proper Liberal could make some decent inroads against both Labour and the Conservatives, Cable probably could as well with his profile. Liberal's have far better calibre candidates available, they will go nowhere with Swinson.
I am interested who out of the 10 other candidates you think are far better than Jo.
I doubt any of the new MPs could realistically stand so that leaves: Cable, Brake, Lloyd, Carmichael, Davey or Lamb.
can you do number of votes won and number of seats in Scotland
and then stop being a tit
That was all down to Ruth Davidson.
the fact that May got 3 million votes more than Cameron did in 2010 ?
we learn new things every day
first election Cameron 307 seats May 318
Interesting snippets, but hard to argue with the fact that Cameron's achievement in 2010 was by far the greater. His judgement in having a referendum rather dooms him to be remembered for the wrong thing.
how ?
the election was held during the worst recession in living memory and his opponent was the man who caused it
Poor old Chukka.... on the airwaves at the weekend touting for a job...
Yes the moderates have been frozen out, the hard left takeover of Labour is going to be completed sooner rather than later.
They made their own bed. I would have liked to see Cooper offered something but can you blame Corbyn for keeping people who've been loyal in the top jobs?
I would have thought Vince Cable is the heavyweight the LDs need with Brexit coming up, this is a decade too early for Swinson
Vince Cable is 74. Too old
If Ronald Reagan could be the most powerful man in the world at 74 surely Vince Cable can lead the LDs at the same age? Cable is the heavyweight the LDs require to make the soft Brexit case at this critical time for our country, this is not the right time for Swinson
I am sure us Lib Dems will take note of your advice before consigning it to the rubbish bin .
Do what you want but the idea 74 is too old to be a leader is absurd, Mitterand, Chirac, Reagan, Churchill all led their countries at that age
Cable was the emergency stop gap candidate for Twickenham. It wasn't his intention to stand in 2020. He was ready for other retiring things.
Maybe but the opportunity has clearly presented itself so he should go for it
He has the gravitas, experience and commands attention. These are good things. His problem is that he is not a team player or a leader. He's a know all and conceited and very irritating. I'll resist the temptation to compare him with Trump because I don't think he is a liar as well. Also, unlike Trump and Corbyn, I don't think he could energise followers.
you have ignored for years that prties only win elections if they have a broad church electorate. you ramped Osbornes Uni fees,
in effect you are as bad as the corynites who only have their version of the party and stuff the rest
Why have you become so bitter and ornery in recent days and months?
You're missing Osborne aren't you?
how could I miss a snivvelling little shit who undermined his own party during the election ?
The PM managed that on her own. And perhaps in future she'll remember not to be unnecessarily rude to people smarter than herself. Dim and conceited is never a great combination.
You need both charm and guile to be good at negotiating. And know when to apply one, and then the other, and be on top of your brief, and flexible but also firm.
Do we have a Tory like that?
(The above isn't a code for a Remain BINO sell out either)
If it's a one-off deal, you can be as hard as nails.
If you need to work in partnership, you don't want a deal that's too good, because you don't want a resentful partner. The DUP need to remember that.
I think that's a pretty dignified and decent statement from Tim Farron.
+1
Absolutley but suprised he didnt go yesterday. Something happened between 18:00 and 20:00 to change his mind. My in box has one email from him about the deputy leadership election at 18:00 and the less than two hours latter hes gone. All credit to him hes done the right thing and i wish him well
In the modern media age Farron was trying to dance on a pin head - and had all the dexterity of Anne Widdecombe limbo dancing on hot coals whilst clad in tight lycra - Not a pretty sight.
The LibDem also had a curates egg of an election. 12 seats, 4 gains and 4 very narrow losses. There are also another 8 seats as viable targets. However outside of these 24 seats the yellow peril have been hollowed out in a vast swath of seats.
The next LibDem leader has one hell of a job. 60+ seats from 2005 is a world from another age.
That's a fight for another day. The next step is to get to 20.
Quite so. 12 current seats and then 8 from :
Richmond Park, Fife NE, St Ives, Cornwall North, Devon North, Ceredigeon, Brecon & Radnor, Lewes, Eastleigh, Cheltenham, Cheadle and Hazel Grove,
That is a highly ambitious majority to overturn. Where are you going to find 3 more people willing to vote Lib Dem.
Poor old Chukka.... on the airwaves at the weekend touting for a job...
Yes the moderates have been frozen out, the hard left takeover of Labour is going to be completed sooner rather than later.
They made their own bed. I would have liked to see Cooper offered something but can you blame Corbyn for keeping people who've been loyal in the top jobs?
I can certainly blame him for keeping Abbott in a top job.
Tim's statement reads oddly to me - it's mostly dignified and friendly and then at the end it veers off into wants sounds like genuine bitterness. I know evangelical Christians who feel that they are oppressed in Britain, and that part of the statement has the same flavour.
Personally I don't think they're right - nobody was really nasty to Farron about having his beliefs, but they seemed to sit uneasily with LibDem policies, in the same way as if May suddenly demanded nationalisation of the railways. I think it's reasonable to criticise that.
To be a genuine Christian in modern Britain is to be an outlaw. It's now compulsory to applaud the gravest sins.
The last two minutes of this clip are very relevant to Tim Farron's resignation
May: Hi Arlene, do you want to be heading back to NI to explain to your constituents why you put the Sinn Fein loving, terrorist sympathiser into Number 10 Arlene: No May: See you at the Queens speech then. Bye.
It should be easy, really. But May is so crap she'll mess even this up.
I think that's a pretty dignified and decent statement from Tim Farron.
+1
Absolutley but suprised he didnt go yesterday. Something happened between 18:00 and 20:00 to change his mind. My in box has one email from him about the deputy leadership election at 18:00 and the less than two hours latter hes gone. All credit to him hes done the right thing and i wish him well
In the modern media age Farron was trying to dance on a pin head - and had all the dexterity of Anne Widdecombe limbo dancing on hot coals whilst clad in tight lycra - Not a pretty sight.
The LibDem also had a curates egg of an election. 12 seats, 4 gains and 4 very narrow losses. There are also another 8 seats as viable targets. However outside of these 24 seats the yellow peril have been hollowed out in a vast swath of seats.
The next LibDem leader has one hell of a job. 60+ seats from 2005 is a world from another age.
That's a fight for another day. The next step is to get to 20.
Quite so. 12 current seats and then 8 from :
Richmond Park, Fife NE, St Ives, Cornwall North, Devon North, Ceredigeon, Brecon & Radnor, Lewes, Eastleigh, Cheltenham, Cheadle and Hazel Grove,
That is a highly ambitious majority to overturn. Where are you going to find 3 more people willing to vote Lib Dem.
Possibly from those who never reeived their postal vote, i wonder how many went missing but a lot did. Not suggesting a conspiratory theory but where the hell did they go?
I think that's a pretty dignified and decent statement from Tim Farron.
+1
Absolutley but suprised he didnt go yesterday. Something happened between 18:00 and 20:00 to change his mind. My in box has one email from him about the deputy leadership election at 18:00 and the less than two hours latter hes gone. All credit to him hes done the right thing and i wish him well
In the modern media age Farron was trying to dance on a pin head - and had all the dexterity of Anne Widdecombe limbo dancing on hot coals whilst clad in tight lycra - Not a pretty sight.
The LibDem also had a curates egg of an election. 12 seats, 4 gains and 4 very narrow losses. There are also another 8 seats as viable targets. However outside of these 24 seats the yellow peril have been hollowed out in a vast swath of seats.
The next LibDem leader has one hell of a job. 60+ seats from 2005 is a world from another age.
That's a fight for another day. The next step is to get to 20.
Quite so. 12 current seats and then 8 from :
Richmond Park, Fife NE, St Ives, Cornwall North, Devon North, Ceredigeon, Brecon & Radnor, Lewes, Eastleigh, Cheltenham, Cheadle and Hazel Grove,
That is a highly ambitious majority to overturn. Where are you going to find 3 more people willing to vote Lib Dem.
You only need to find one. And then practice your straw-drawing.
I would have thought Vince Cable is the heavyweight the LDs need with Brexit coming up, this is a decade too early for Swinson
Vince Cable is 74. Too old
If Ronald Reagan could be the most powerful man in the world at 74 surely Vince Cable can lead the LDs at the same age? Cable is the heavyweight the LDs require to make the soft Brexit case at this critical time for our country, this is not the right time for Swinson
I am sure us Lib Dems will take note of your advice before consigning it to the rubbish bin .
Do what you want but the idea 74 is too old to be a leader is absurd, Mitterand, Chirac, Reagan, Churchill all led their countries at that age
Cable was the emergency stop gap candidate for Twickenham. It wasn't his intention to stand in 2020. He was ready for other retiring things.
Maybe but the opportunity has clearly presented itself so he should go for it
He has the gravitas, experience and commands attention. These are good things. His problem is that he is not a team player or a leader. He's a know all and conceited and very irritating. I'll resist the temptation to compare him with Trump because I don't think he is a liar as well. Also, unlike Trump and Corbyn, I don't think he could energise followers.
Brexit will dominate all over the next few years and Cable is the right leader for the LDs in those circumstances
Vince Cable is far too old to be leader....although I would LOL if they elected him as their leader. TBF, I don't think they'd too badly with him as LD leader.
Really though, it should be Jo Swinson.
Why should it, another Social Democrat would be another missed opportunity, a proper Liberal could make some decent inroads against both Labour and the Conservatives, Cable probably could as well with his profile. Liberal's have far better calibre candidates available, they will go nowhere with Swinson.
Cable is a Social Democrat, ex labour councillor.
Jo Swinson was not a Social Democrat. She's too young. In 2001, at the age of 21, she stood as a Liberal Democrat for the Hull East constituency in the UK General Election, gaining a 6% swing from John Prescott
Poor old Chukka.... on the airwaves at the weekend touting for a job...
Yes the moderates have been frozen out, the hard left takeover of Labour is going to be completed sooner rather than later.
They made their own bed. I would have liked to see Cooper offered something but can you blame Corbyn for keeping people who've been loyal in the top jobs?
No, I said at the time that Corbyn had absolutely no reason to reward the turncoats and freeze out his own people. I'm just laughing at the Labour moderates who seem surprised by this.
I think that's a pretty dignified and decent statement from Tim Farron.
+1
Absolutley but suprised he didnt go yesterday. Something happened between 18:00 and 20:00 to change his mind. My in box has one email from him about the deputy leadership election at 18:00 and the less than two hours latter hes gone. All credit to him hes done the right thing and i wish him well
In the modern media age Farron was trying to dance on a pin head - and had all the dexterity of Anne Widdecombe limbo dancing on hot coals whilst clad in tight lycra - Not a pretty sight.
The LibDem also had a curates egg of an election. 12 seats, 4 gains and 4 very narrow losses. There are also another 8 seats as viable targets. However outside of these 24 seats the yellow peril have been hollowed out in a vast swath of seats.
The next LibDem leader has one hell of a job. 60+ seats from 2005 is a world from another age.
That's a fight for another day. The next step is to get to 20.
Quite so. 12 current seats and then 8 from :
Richmond Park, Fife NE, St Ives, Cornwall North, Devon North, Ceredigeon, Brecon & Radnor, Lewes, Eastleigh, Cheltenham, Cheadle and Hazel Grove,
That is a highly ambitious majority to overturn. Where are you going to find 3 more people willing to vote Lib Dem.
Mike Smithson, Mark Senior and Icarus vote swap ....
I think that's a pretty dignified and decent statement from Tim Farron.
+1
Absolutley but suprised he didnt go yesterday. Something happened between 18:00 and 20:00 to change his mind. My in box has one email from him about the deputy leadership election at 18:00 and the less than two hours latter hes gone. All credit to him hes done the right thing and i wish him well
In the modern media age Farron was trying to dance on a pin head - and had all the dexterity of Anne Widdecombe limbo dancing on hot coals whilst clad in tight lycra - Not a pretty sight.
The LibDem also had a curates egg of an election. 12 seats, 4 gains and 4 very narrow losses. There are also another 8 seats as viable targets. However outside of these 24 seats the yellow peril have been hollowed out in a vast swath of seats.
The next LibDem leader has one hell of a job. 60+ seats from 2005 is a world from another age.
That's a fight for another day. The next step is to get to 20.
Quite so. 12 current seats and then 8 from :
Richmond Park, Fife NE, St Ives, Cornwall North, Devon North, Ceredigeon, Brecon & Radnor, Lewes, Eastleigh, Cheltenham, Cheadle and Hazel Grove,
That is a highly ambitious majority to overturn. Where are you going to find 3 more people willing to vote Lib Dem.
Well they could of just gone with the result of the 1st count where the LDs were ahead by 3.
Yeah that doesn't sound like something that would have been arranged weeks ago. and it's not a party event anyway. The FSB feed has Chuka and Rebecca Long-Bailey as well.
you have ignored for years that prties only win elections if they have a broad church electorate. you ramped Osbornes Uni fees,
in effect you are as bad as the corynites who only have their version of the party and stuff the rest
Why have you become so bitter and ornery in recent days and months?
You're missing Osborne aren't you?
how could I miss a snivvelling little shit who undermined his own party during the election ?
The PM managed that on her own. And perhaps in future she'll remember not to be unnecessarily rude to people smarter than herself. Dim and conceited is never a great combination.
oh yeah David "two brains" willetts
fked up the Unis fees and gave Labour a million votes
its hard to be sufficiently rude to describe the canute
I don't like Cable. But, he is probably the MP most likely to be taken seriously in the media, the one most people will have heard of, and therefore the one with perhaps the greatest potential in a campaign. Lamb would be a better candidate but will he get the hearing needed?
Swinson would be a good leader if we were still in the blair years and aiming to take seats from Labour by outlefting them, but I don't see her young female qualities being much help in the coming battle. We need someone who can take lab tactical votes while attracting tory remainer defectors. I'm inclined to suggest Cable may be the best choice, but am not sure.
Vince Cable is far too old to be leader....although I would LOL if they elected him as their leader. TBF, I don't think they'd too badly with him as LD leader.
Really though, it should be Jo Swinson.
Why should it, another Social Democrat would be another missed opportunity, a proper Liberal could make some decent inroads against both Labour and the Conservatives, Cable probably could as well with his profile. Liberal's have far better calibre candidates available, they will go nowhere with Swinson.
Cable is a Social Democrat, ex labour councillor.
Jo Swinson was not a Social Democrat. She's too young. In 2001, at the age of 21, she stood as a Liberal Democrat for the Hull East constituency in the UK General Election, gaining a 6% swing from John Prescott
Cable has a business and finance brain, that could be hugely used in strategically positioning the LD's as the party of Small Business, opportunity and personal freedom. Another statist isn't likely to make much ground against either Labour who will hoover up that market, or Conservatives who they can take back lost seats from, particularly in the South West.
Lamb would be my choice he is a very credible guy, in contrast to the two main party leaders.
Poor old Chukka.... on the airwaves at the weekend touting for a job...
Yes the moderates have been frozen out, the hard left takeover of Labour is going to be completed sooner rather than later.
They made their own bed. I would have liked to see Cooper offered something but can you blame Corbyn for keeping people who've been loyal in the top jobs?
No, I said at the time that Corbyn had absolutely no reason to reward the turncoats and freeze out his own people. I'm just laughing at the Labour moderates who seem surprised by this.
The Labour moderates should have served in the shadow cabinet. Since they did not, what have they achieved that might earn them a place? Who has laid a glove on a Conservative minister in the past two years? Sure, Corbyn should accept he needs to balance the party but apart from a sense of entitlement, what have they got to offer?
Vince Cable is far too old to be leader....although I would LOL if they elected him as their leader. TBF, I don't think they'd too badly with him as LD leader.
Really though, it should be Jo Swinson.
I don't like cable but the overt ageism on here is hilarious - try substituting some other minority words if you don't get it.
you have ignored for years that prties only win elections if they have a broad church electorate. you ramped Osbornes Uni fees,
in effect you are as bad as the corynites who only have their version of the party and stuff the rest
Why have you become so bitter and ornery in recent days and months?
You're missing Osborne aren't you?
how could I miss a snivvelling little shit who undermined his own party during the election ?
The PM managed that on her own. And perhaps in future she'll remember not to be unnecessarily rude to people smarter than herself. Dim and conceited is never a great combination.
oh yeah David "two brains" willetts
fked up the Unis fees and gave Labour a million votes
its hard to be sufficiently rude to describe the canute
I mentioned this the other day Alan,the tories need to get on side with the youth vote,what better start than cutting Uni fees.
Vince Cable is far too old to be leader....although I would LOL if they elected him as their leader. TBF, I don't think they'd too badly with him as LD leader.
Really though, it should be Jo Swinson.
Why should it, another Social Democrat would be another missed opportunity, a proper Liberal could make some decent inroads against both Labour and the Conservatives, Cable probably could as well with his profile. Liberal's have far better calibre candidates available, they will go nowhere with Swinson.
Cable is a Social Democrat, ex labour councillor.
Jo Swinson was not a Social Democrat. She's too young. In 2001, at the age of 21, she stood as a Liberal Democrat for the Hull East constituency in the UK General Election, gaining a 6% swing from John Prescott
Cable has a business and finance brain, that could be hugely used in strategically positioning the LD's as the party of Small Business, opportunity and personal freedom. Another statist isn't likely to make much ground against either Labour who will hoover up that market, or Conservatives who they can take back lost seats from, particularly in the South West.
Lamb would be my choice he is a very credible guy, in contrast to the two main party leaders.
I think you've nailed it. Lamb is 'credible' in the way that none of the other LD candidates are.
Davey is shouty. Swinson is anonymous. Cable drones.
Lamb is credible. He's serious and sincere without being annoying. He appears to have accepted the referendum result, while still recognising that the LDs need to be the party of soft Brexit. If he was a senior non-exec at a FTSE-100 company, you wouldn't blink an eyelid.
Heck, I'm almost talking myself into joining the LDs just to vote for Lamb.
I don't like Cable. But, he is probably the MP most likely to be taken seriously in the media, the one most people will have heard of, and therefore the one with perhaps the greatest potential in a campaign.
Cable's image as a man with real experience in business (however embellished it may be) would be a huge differentiator for him up against May and Corbyn. If he just stuck to a few platitudes and pointed out what a mess the government is making people could project onto him whatever they liked. The problem is that he's likely to be too vain to stick to the script and sooner or later would expose the fact that there's less to him than meets the eye.
The tories need a macron looking leader for the next GE and TSE could be on to something with Johnny Mercer but can he think on his feet is another matter ;-)
So the guy has a personal view, he isn't persecuting anyone, he isn't being incendiary, he isnt advocating violence or discrimination.
He has to resign in essence because of it.
So much for liberal democracy.
Farron needed to resign because he came across as an annoying student politician. You know, one of the guys who managed to score a year off after their degree being the "Ents Manager". Although, obviously Farron wouldn't have got that role.
So the guy has a personal view, he isn't persecuting anyone, he isn't being incendiary, he isntr advocating violence or discrimination.
He has to resign in essence because of it.
So much for liberal democracy.
Quite.
At the risk of becoming Uncle Albert, "During the time I was at Brighton Uni..." the double standards of the lefties, who I had counted myself as one of 18 months previously, was the most disappointing thing. Kurt Cobain summed it up well in the song "School" which was written after he had moved to hip Seattle from backwards Aberdeen expecting all the cool kids in bands to be ultra liberal only to find they had the same cliques, snobbery & closed mindedness
NO RECESS!!
Modern liberals are just as intolerant of others as anyone else, they just happen to be in control of the narrative currently
I don't like Cable. But, he is probably the MP most likely to be taken seriously in the media, the one most people will have heard of, and therefore the one with perhaps the greatest potential in a campaign.
Cable's image as a man with real experience in business (however embellished it may be) would be a huge differentiator for him up against May and Corbyn. If he just stuck to a few platitudes and pointed out what a mess the government is making people could project onto him whatever they liked. The problem is that he's likely to be too vain to stick to the script and sooner or later would expose the fact that there's less to him than meets the eye.
Vince Cable was the Chief Economist at Shell.
Shell is, of course, one of the world's largest companies, with operating cash flows (you know, after costs but before capex) of close to $50bn.
It was a serious role.
But it was a role he had for a year or so, 20 years ago.
The tories need a macron looking leader for the next GE and TSE could be on to something with Johnny Mercer but can he think on his feet is another matter ;-)
Oh he can.
He'll also get the women's vote back that Theresa frittered away.
I don't like Cable. But, he is probably the MP most likely to be taken seriously in the media, the one most people will have heard of, and therefore the one with perhaps the greatest potential in a campaign.
Cable's image as a man with real experience in business (however embellished it may be) would be a huge differentiator for him up against May and Corbyn. If he just stuck to a few platitudes and pointed out what a mess the government is making people could project onto him whatever they liked. The problem is that he's likely to be too vain to stick to the script and sooner or later would expose the fact that there's less to him than meets the eye.
Vince Cable was the Chief Economist at Shell.
Shell is, of course, one of the world's largest companies, with operating cash flows (you know, after costs but before capex) of close to $50bn.
It was a serious role.
But it was a role he had for a year or so, 20 years ago.
How many Chief Economists does Shell have around the globe? It's not as if he was the CFO which is how it's often implied.
The media criticised Nick Clegg for being an atheist and Tim Farron for being a Christian. I wonder why?
Hadn't seen either. Farron was criticised for having non-LibDem positions on abortion on homosexuality, and being evasive about it - if he'd said at the start "Because of my religious beliefs I don't support etc., but the party does and I'm a democrat", he might have been OK, in much the same way as Corbyn did over Trident.
As for Clegg, I don't remember anything about his (lack of) religious views at all. Cameron was charmingly agnostic ("My belief comes and goes like radio reception in the Thames Valley", and everyone thought that pleasantluy mainstream.
Anyone who maintains our voting system and counting of the votes should take note of the following .
NE FIFE a number of postal votes exceeding the majority went missing . Plymouth Sutton/Devonport The official result is out by 6,000 odd votes as one ward's results was not included in the official count Plymouth Moor View Several thousand postal votes were not sent out when they should have been . Many arrived too late to be used and 77 for overseas voters were not sent as it was too late . Newcastle Under Lyme . Several hundred late registered voters were not allowed to vote as some polling stations had not been issued with a fully updated voting register .
I don't like Cable. But, he is probably the MP most likely to be taken seriously in the media, the one most people will have heard of, and therefore the one with perhaps the greatest potential in a campaign.
Cable's image as a man with real experience in business (however embellished it may be) would be a huge differentiator for him up against May and Corbyn. If he just stuck to a few platitudes and pointed out what a mess the government is making people could project onto him whatever they liked. The problem is that he's likely to be too vain to stick to the script and sooner or later would expose the fact that there's less to him than meets the eye.
Vince Cable was the Chief Economist at Shell.
Shell is, of course, one of the world's largest companies, with operating cash flows (you know, after costs but before capex) of close to $50bn.
It was a serious role.
But it was a role he had for a year or so, 20 years ago.
How many Chief Economists does Shell have around the globe? It's not as if he was the CFO which is how it's often implied.
He was the Chief Economist, running a team of perhaps 20 people in London, New York and the Hague. They produced forecasts and Vince presented to the board, and his team's advice was taken very seriously.
But if we're going to be honest, it's not that senior a role. It's not as important as being Goldman Sach's chief economist (or even Goldman Sach's chief European economist). It's a well paid (say £400k p.a.) job for someone with good managerial and forecasting skills.
Super Theresa! - first CON to get 40% since 1992! - best CON result in Scotland since 1983! - first time CON have increased vote share 3rd time in government since 1959! - first ever CON win Mansfield and Stoke on Trent South!
LOL posh boys and BREXIT losers CAMO and OSBO (who slashed my pension to pay for IHT reductions for people built on family money) good riddance!
Go DUP our allies!!
Anyway BREXIT is boring so I will be back in 5 years for #THERESA22!
So the guy has a personal view, he isn't persecuting anyone, he isn't being incendiary, he isnt advocating violence or discrimination.
He has to resign in essence because of it.
So much for liberal democracy.
Farron needed to resign because he came across as an annoying student politician. You know, one of the guys who managed to score a year off after their degree being the "Ents Manager". Although, obviously Farron wouldn't have got that role.
The tories need a macron looking leader for the next GE and TSE could be on to something with Johnny Mercer but can he think on his feet is another matter ;-)
No, no, no. The Tories need a swivel-eyed right-winger who will repel as many voters as possible.
About a decade ago, as a major investor in Shell, I got invited to visit the big gas to liquids plant (Pearl) in Qatar. On the bus from Doho to the plant, I chatted to the guy next to me. He worked at Shell, and he ran Shell's petrol station business in the UK. How big is that? Oh, sales of $12bn, pretax profits of $400m. As we departed the bus, we swapped cards. His said "Manager, Shell Retail".
About a decade ago, as a major investor in Shell, I got invited to visit the big gas to liquids plant (Pearl) in Qatar. On the bus from Doho to the plant, I chatted to the guy next to me. He worked at Shell, and he ran Shell's petrol station business in the UK, reporting. How big is that? Oh, sales of $12bn, pretax profits of $400m. As we departed the bus, we swapped cards. His said "Manager, Shell Retail".
Does your hobnobbing know no bounds? Didn't you meet with Rex Tillerson previously?
The media criticised Nick Clegg for being an atheist and Tim Farron for being a Christian. I wonder why?
Hadn't seen either. Farron was criticised for having non-LibDem positions on abortion on homosexuality, and being evasive about it - if he'd said at the start "Because of my religious beliefs I don't support etc., but the party does and I'm a democrat", he might have been OK, in much the same way as Corbyn did over Trident.
As for Clegg, I don't remember anything about his (lack of) religious views at all. Cameron was charmingly agnostic ("My belief comes and goes like radio reception in the Thames Valley", and everyone thought that pleasantluy mainstream.
In Britain it is perfectly acceptable for a politician to have religion to the point of externalities like church attendance, as long as they dont really believe any of it is relevant to the real world.
Anyone who maintains our voting system and counting of the votes should take note of the following .
NE FIFE a number of postal votes exceeding the majority went missing . Plymouth Sutton/Devonport The official result is out by 6,000 odd votes as one ward's results was not included in the official count Plymouth Moor View Several thousand postal votes were not sent out when they should have been . Many arrived too late to be used and 77 for overseas voters were not sent as it was too late . Newcastle Under Lyme . Several hundred late registered voters were not allowed to vote as some polling stations had not been issued with a fully updated voting register .
NE Fife sounds outrageous considering how close it was. My guess is postals are more likely to be Lib Dem rather than SNP too.
About a decade ago, as a major investor in Shell, I got invited to visit the big gas to liquids plant (Pearl) in Qatar. On the bus from Doho to the plant, I chatted to the guy next to me. He worked at Shell, and he ran Shell's petrol station business in the UK, reporting. How big is that? Oh, sales of $12bn, pretax profits of $400m. As we departed the bus, we swapped cards. His said "Manager, Shell Retail".
Does your hobnobbing know no bounds? Didn't you meet with Rex Tillerson previously?
I looked after the energy investments for a $12bn global equity fund, so I met a lot of senior people at oil & gas companies.
So the guy has a personal view, he isn't persecuting anyone, he isn't being incendiary, he isnt advocating violence or discrimination.
He has to resign in essence because of it.
So much for liberal democracy.
Farron needed to resign because he came across as an annoying student politician. You know, one of the guys who managed to score a year off after their degree being the "Ents Manager". Although, obviously Farron wouldn't have got that role.
I get that, but from the outside, it looks like its about his personal views
About a decade ago, as a major investor in Shell, I got invited to visit the big gas to liquids plant (Pearl) in Qatar. On the bus from Doho to the plant, I chatted to the guy next to me. He worked at Shell, and he ran Shell's petrol station business in the UK, reporting. How big is that? Oh, sales of $12bn, pretax profits of $400m. As we departed the bus, we swapped cards. His said "Manager, Shell Retail".
Does your hobnobbing know no bounds? Didn't you meet with Rex Tillerson previously?
I looked after the energy investments for a $12bn global equity fund, so I met a lot of senior people at oil & gas companies.
Anyone who maintains our voting system and counting of the votes should take note of the following .
NE FIFE a number of postal votes exceeding the majority went missing . Plymouth Sutton/Devonport The official result is out by 6,000 odd votes as one ward's results was not included in the official count Plymouth Moor View Several thousand postal votes were not sent out when they should have been . Many arrived too late to be used and 77 for overseas voters were not sent as it was too late . Newcastle Under Lyme . Several hundred late registered voters were not allowed to vote as some polling stations had not been issued with a fully updated voting register .
NE Fife sounds outrageous considering how close it was. My guess is postals are more likely to be Lib Dem rather than SNP too.
Newcastle Under Lyme the majority was only 30 but most of those not allowed to vote were probably Labour voters
About a decade ago, as a major investor in Shell, I got invited to visit the big gas to liquids plant (Pearl) in Qatar. On the bus from Doho to the plant, I chatted to the guy next to me. He worked at Shell, and he ran Shell's petrol station business in the UK, reporting. How big is that? Oh, sales of $12bn, pretax profits of $400m. As we departed the bus, we swapped cards. His said "Manager, Shell Retail".
Does your hobnobbing know no bounds? Didn't you meet with Rex Tillerson previously?
I looked after the energy investments for a $12bn global equity fund, so I met a lot of senior people at oil & gas companies.
I'll take that as a no
Lol! I met Rex Tillerson in a "small group meeting" at an Exxon investor day a few years ago. So, it was me, the other energy specialists at four or five other fund managers, and Rex Tillerson's bodyguards.
I liked him, he was refreshingly full of bullshit. (And there are very few CEOs you can say that about.)
Anyone who maintains our voting system and counting of the votes should take note of the following .
NE FIFE a number of postal votes exceeding the majority went missing . Plymouth Sutton/Devonport The official result is out by 6,000 odd votes as one ward's results was not included in the official count Plymouth Moor View Several thousand postal votes were not sent out when they should have been . Many arrived too late to be used and 77 for overseas voters were not sent as it was too late . Newcastle Under Lyme . Several hundred late registered voters were not allowed to vote as some polling stations had not been issued with a fully updated voting register .
I guess the only comforting thing about this is that it wasn't the same party benefitting or suffering in each case - it genuinely looks random in terms of party advantage.
But of course that doesn't excuse it.
In the case of NE Fife - with the result so incredibly close, surely the result should not have been declared until the missing votes had been found - or at least every effort made to have found them.
The point is that Farron didn't have a record of voting for gay rights. He actually voted against banning discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, for heaven's sake!
Would someone who had voted against banning racial discrimination (1) have the gall to portrayal himself as a crusader for ethnic minorities or (2) have that portrayal uncritically accepted?
Kind of expected, if not necessarily so soon. I feel like so long as his personal views are not provably leading to support of policies which are harmful to others, the liberal approach would be the man is entitled to his views, but it did seem to surprise many and concern a few potential LD voters I knew.
Anyone who maintains our voting system and counting of the votes should take note of the following .
NE FIFE a number of postal votes exceeding the majority went missing . Plymouth Sutton/Devonport The official result is out by 6,000 odd votes as one ward's results was not included in the official count Plymouth Moor View Several thousand postal votes were not sent out when they should have been . Many arrived too late to be used and 77 for overseas voters were not sent as it was too late . Newcastle Under Lyme . Several hundred late registered voters were not allowed to vote as some polling stations had not been issued with a fully updated voting register .
NE Fife sounds outrageous considering how close it was. My guess is postals are more likely to be Lib Dem rather than SNP too.
The party did consider taking legal action. I'm not sure if the postal votes we part of it, I know the refusal of a 4th re-count was, this was declined even though none of the 4 results were the same and at least 1 had LDs ahead, the 2nd recount I believe had just 1 vote in it. I don't think that they will go ahead due to cost of the action and the cost involved in a subsequent election re-run with by-election spending limits. Also electors have a history of not looking on kindly to parties who make them vote again to try and get a different result.
As for the postal votes I think you are right they are not usually very good for the SNP compared to the votes on the day.
I think the answer, depending on how you define biggest party, is probably the UUP. But whoever it is, it's either a regional, single-issue or startup party.
I think the answer, depending on how you define biggest party, is probably the UUP. But whoever it is, it's either a regional, single-issue or startup party.
Let's hear it for all-women shortlists!
Errm Michelle O' Neill is the current leader of the Shinners !
I think the answer, depending on how you define biggest party, is probably the UUP. But whoever it is, it's either a regional, single-issue or startup party.
Let's hear it for all-women shortlists!
Errm Michelle O' Neill is the current leader of the Shinners !
Only at Stormont. She's the Shinner equivalent of Kezia Dugdale.
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you have ignored for years that prties only win elections if they have a broad church electorate. you egged on alienating traditional tory supporters, ramped Osbornes Uni fees and waffled on Leveson isntead of building houses
in effect you are as bad as the corynites who only have their version of the party and stuff the rest
You're missing Osborne aren't you?
Richmond Park, Fife NE, St Ives, Cornwall North, Devon North, Ceredigeon, Brecon & Radnor, Lewes, Eastleigh, Cheltenham, Cheadle and Hazel Grove,
I doubt any of the new MPs could realistically stand so that leaves: Cable, Brake, Lloyd, Carmichael, Davey or Lamb.
the election was held during the worst recession in living memory and his opponent was the man who caused it
They won't, of course.
Or any job at all, really.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc3aIyF5mS8
Can someone explain?
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/dup-vows-to-end-mays-wild-party-lifestyle-20170614129523
Jo Swinson was not a Social Democrat. She's too young. In 2001, at the age of 21, she stood as a Liberal Democrat for the Hull East constituency in the UK General Election, gaining a 6% swing from John Prescott
I think Norman Lamb is - by a Norfolk country mile - the best leader for the LibDems.
Farron, who managed to get 12 MPs (and nearly 15) out of just 7.5% of the vote, probably has a role in campaigns.
What else?
fked up the Unis fees and gave Labour a million votes
its hard to be sufficiently rude to describe the canute
Swinson would be a good leader if we were still in the blair years and aiming to take seats from Labour by outlefting them, but I don't see her young female qualities being much help in the coming battle. We need someone who can take lab tactical votes while attracting tory remainer defectors. I'm inclined to suggest Cable may be the best choice, but am not sure.
Lamb would be my choice he is a very credible guy, in contrast to the two main party leaders.
Has anyone seen my coat?
He has to resign in essence because of it.
So much for liberal democracy.
She is the future now.
More at 11.
Davey is shouty. Swinson is anonymous. Cable drones.
Lamb is credible. He's serious and sincere without being annoying. He appears to have accepted the referendum result, while still recognising that the LDs need to be the party of soft Brexit. If he was a senior non-exec at a FTSE-100 company, you wouldn't blink an eyelid.
Heck, I'm almost talking myself into joining the LDs just to vote for Lamb.
NO RECESS!!
Modern liberals are just as intolerant of others as anyone else, they just happen to be in control of the narrative currently
Shell is, of course, one of the world's largest companies, with operating cash flows (you know, after costs but before capex) of close to $50bn.
It was a serious role.
But it was a role he had for a year or so, 20 years ago.
He'll also get the women's vote back that Theresa frittered away.
Was really impressive.
As for Clegg, I don't remember anything about his (lack of) religious views at all. Cameron was charmingly agnostic ("My belief comes and goes like radio reception in the Thames Valley", and everyone thought that pleasantluy mainstream.
NE FIFE a number of postal votes exceeding the majority went missing .
Plymouth Sutton/Devonport The official result is out by 6,000 odd votes as one ward's results was not included in the official count
Plymouth Moor View Several thousand postal votes were not sent out when they should have been . Many arrived too late to be used and 77 for overseas voters were not sent as it was too late .
Newcastle Under Lyme . Several hundred late registered voters were not allowed to vote as some polling stations had not been issued with a fully updated voting register .
But if we're going to be honest, it's not that senior a role. It's not as important as being Goldman Sach's chief economist (or even Goldman Sach's chief European economist). It's a well paid (say £400k p.a.) job for someone with good managerial and forecasting skills.
#Priti4Leader
About a decade ago, as a major investor in Shell, I got invited to visit the big gas to liquids plant (Pearl) in Qatar. On the bus from Doho to the plant, I chatted to the guy next to me. He worked at Shell, and he ran Shell's petrol station business in the UK. How big is that? Oh, sales of $12bn, pretax profits of $400m. As we departed the bus, we swapped cards. His said "Manager, Shell Retail".
In 2001 IDS won because he wasn't Ken Clarke
In 1997 Hague won because he wasn't Ken Clarke.
In 1990 Major won because he wasn't Heseltine.
The last time we chose a party leader because of who he was, rather who he wasn't, he became the only Tory leader to win a majority in 25 years
Oh, my coat!
I liked him, he was refreshingly full of bullshit. (And there are very few CEOs you can say that about.)
But of course that doesn't excuse it.
In the case of NE Fife - with the result so incredibly close, surely the result should not have been declared until the missing votes had been found - or at least every effort made to have found them.
free of bullshit
Would someone who had voted against banning racial discrimination (1) have the gall to portrayal himself as a crusader for ethnic minorities or (2) have that portrayal uncritically accepted?
I don't think that they will go ahead due to cost of the action and the cost involved in a subsequent election re-run with by-election spending limits. Also electors have a history of not looking on kindly to parties who make them vote again to try and get a different result.
As for the postal votes I think you are right they are not usually very good for the SNP compared to the votes on the day.
Let's hear it for all-women shortlists!
https://twitter.com/greenmiranda/status/875057792738045952