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Another former Lib Dem friend gone off the Corbynite deep end.0
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Are you expecting 'quite large falls in the majorities in the safe shires' because you genuinely believe that, or because you want that to happen? On what evidence do you base your assertion on, if any? I'm genuinely intrigued.Chameleon said:
I'm expecting quite large falls in the majorities in the safe shires, splitting to Lab and LD (which is very bad news for the LDs...)Pong said:
That would be hilarious.Stark_Dawning said:
Theresa May's an interesting one. In Maidenhead, the Lib Dems were snapping at the Tories' heels until Dave detoxified the brand and it was heavily Remain. May has embraced hard Brexit and has turned her back on Dave's reforms. She might be toast.Big_G_NorthWales said:Does anyone agree with me that we could have all kinds of strange declarations tonight throughout the whole Country
And will Nicola Sturgeon and even Theresa May survive
TM extending her majority while losing her seat.
It won't happen though.0 -
South West, the office is in Bristol but people also live in Bath and Wiltshire etc.nunu said:
wow. where abouts please?ChaosOdin said:It all just kicked off in my office, a Corbynista became rude an aggressive (and had to eventually be taken to one side) when someone else questioned Corbyn's ability to negotiate Brexit.
The aftermath lead to a few first time Tories giving away who they voted for. If the office is anything to go by then some surprising Labour supporters over 40 decided to vote May to stop Corbyn.0 -
Traditionally the police voted Tory. It would be interesting to see if this has changed.jonny83 said:My sister is a copper, she told me they were all ranting amongst themselves at her station yesterday about lack of police numbers and anti May rhetoric. She kept quiet and well out of it, one of her fellow sergeants who she is friendly asked her how she voted and she told her tory (postal ballot) she was ok with it, but agreed to keep it quiet.
I would imagine workplaces across the land have had division especially this election cycle and most especially in the public sector where Labour obviously gets a lot of natural support.0 -
Now all we need is a Slartibartfast to register and we have the set.Desmond_Glazebrook said:
Thank you Rob!RobD said:
Welcome to PB!Desmond_Glazebrook said:Anecdatum: turnout in a Con-leaning ward of Stockton South (5k Con maj over Labour) is reported as higher already than for the entire day in 2015.
From an intermittent lurker, a vote of thanks to the posters of this site for all your wit and wisdom.
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My father in law belonged to the Labour Club for the darts and the Conservative Club for the snooker (or it may have been the other way around). I don't think anybody cared.kle4 said:
I know a few Tories with Corbynista children - must be fun times.Jason said:
Not all Lefties in general, but Corbynistas. I don't see any difference between them and BNP supporters. They are equally one-eyed, aggressive and vociferous in their beliefs. And equally odious. Two sides of the same coin, both sets of supporters deal in extremes.Bobajob_PB said:
Yes, Lefties are evil, unpatriotic, violent scum who can only aspire to all that is good and great about being a Tory. I know this, because I have read it several times, right here on PB.RobD said:
Lefties are the worstJason said:My partner inadvertently shared a pic of the 'Proud to vote for Theresa May' on FB, so of course the same ad appeared on her page.
Guess what? She's started receiving abuse from members of her own family - including her sister. It's upset her, and I'm furious.
I need to cool down before I do something I regret.
Whereas I've voted Tory for the first time and my father (who once belonged to a Conservative club - though I never knew that until recently, and it was a long time ago) is now a Corbynista.
(He always voted Labour. Mind you, he adored Enoch Powell, but then so did a lot of other working-class Labour supporters.)0 -
They mostly already have across the shires. I checked Henley, Wokingham, Maidenhead, and Wantage (first four I could think of). All four had the LDs running the Tories relatively close between 2001-2010, but with Labour now second.kle4 said:
I think Lab will nab a whole bunch of second places from LDs in the shires - risky for the long term LD prospects.Chameleon said:
I'm expecting quite large falls in the majorities in the safe shires, splitting to Lab and LD (which is very bad news for the LDs...)Pong said:
That would be hilarious.Stark_Dawning said:
Theresa May's an interesting one. In Maidenhead, the Lib Dems were snapping at the Tories' heels until Dave detoxified the brand and it was heavily Remain. May has embraced hard Brexit and has turned her back on Dave's reforms. She might be toast.Big_G_NorthWales said:Does anyone agree with me that we could have all kinds of strange declarations tonight throughout the whole Country
And will Nicola Sturgeon and even Theresa May survive
TM extending her majority while losing her seat.
It won't happen though.0 -
DearPB said:
Theresa May is 100% saferural_voter said:Stark_Dawning said:
Theresa May's an interesting one. In Maidenhead, the Lib Dems were snapping at the Tories' heels until Dave detoxified the brand and it was heavily Remain. May has embraced hard Brexit and has turned her back on Dave's reforms. She might be toast.Big_G_NorthWales said:Does anyone agree with me that we could have all kinds of strange declarations tonight throughout the whole Country
And will Nicola Sturgeon and even Theresa May survive
Betting on the big picture, I'll be extremely happy if Alastair M or Jack W's forecasts come true.
I hope the declarations aren't 'excessively fascinating'. 10s-100s of gains and losses either way makes me nervous of some constituency bets.
I'm a bit confused why John Redwood is safe in Wokingham, a Remain seat, and TMay isn't safe in Maidenhead, a Remain seat in the same county.
Somewhere on Twitter a Corbynista is tweeting that on a reputable politics site people are debating whether TMay might lose her seat.DearPB said:
Theresa May is 100% saferural_voter said:Stark_Dawning said:
Theresa May's an interesting one. In Maidenhead, the Lib Dems were snapping at the Tories' heels until Dave detoxified the brand and it was heavily Remain. May has embraced hard Brexit and has turned her back on Dave's reforms. She might be toast.Big_G_NorthWales said:Does anyone agree with me that we could have all kinds of strange declarations tonight throughout the whole Country
And will Nicola Sturgeon and even Theresa May survive
Betting on the big picture, I'll be extremely happy if Alastair M or Jack W's forecasts come true.
I hope the declarations aren't 'excessively fascinating'. 10s-100s of gains and losses either way makes me nervous of some constituency bets.
I'm a bit confused why John Redwood is safe in Wokingham, a Remain seat, and TMay isn't safe in Maidenhead, a Remain seat in the same county.0 -
It's a learning.madasafish said:
Glad you recognise the truth - at last :-)Bobajob_PB said:
Yes, Lefties are evil, unpatriotic, violent scum who can only aspire to all that is good and great about being a Tory. I know this, because I have read it several times, right here on PB.RobD said:
Lefties are the worstJason said:My partner inadvertently shared a pic of the 'Proud to vote for Theresa May' on FB, so of course the same ad appeared on her page.
Guess what? She's started receiving abuse from members of her own family - including her sister. It's upset her, and I'm furious.
I need to cool down before I do something I regret.0 -
I shall shortly be walking back past a polling station towards the railway station. I shall keep a look out for dogs, cats and dinos making mischief with the voters.
In the Brexit ref there were folk outside conducting an exit poll. Not expecting that today.
I still haven't decided if I will stay up or not. If it looks like a big win for the Tezzie-Ruthie coalition, then straight to bed after Sunderland.0 -
Fascists and anti-fascists are all but indistinguishable in practice.Jason said:
Not all Lefties in general, but Corbynistas. I don't see any difference between them and BNP supporters. They are equally one-eyed, aggressive and vociferous in their beliefs. And equally odious. Two sides of the same coin, both sets of supporters deal in extremes.Bobajob_PB said:
Yes, Lefties are evil, unpatriotic, violent scum who can only aspire to all that is good and great about being a Tory. I know this, because I have read it several times, right here on PB.RobD said:
Lefties are the worstJason said:My partner inadvertently shared a pic of the 'Proud to vote for Theresa May' on FB, so of course the same ad appeared on her page.
Guess what? She's started receiving abuse from members of her own family - including her sister. It's upset her, and I'm furious.
I need to cool down before I do something I regret.0 -
I jokingly put down a 134 majority but only because in the sweepstakes at work (we have them on everything under the sun) I always go for a very high or very low number as that seems to win me more often than just going in with the crowd.JennyFreeman said:
It's an interesting one. I guess Thatcher(ism) became associated with self-centredness and even selfishness. More recently, voting for right of centre appeared to align you with a UKIP racist message, which clearly wasn't fair but who wants to give a whiff of such an assertion?DearPB said:
I'm fascinated by when and why Tories first got shy. I know they were a remarked upon phenomenon in 1992 but that was just the first time they were noticed.Chameleon said:I can't help but feel that the rabid corbynistas have drive more shy tories underground.
As an experiment I posted a Conservative banner on Facebook yesterday (I'm not a shy Tory and never have been) and I got about 15 messages - 10 haughtily negative (lots of liberal metropolitan elite friends), 5 viciously aggressively angry. With one genuinely confused as to why it had appeared in her timeline.
How can it be socially unacceptable to share a political view with 45% of the population? Maybe Travel Junkie can enlighten me!
Theresa's manifesto was actually pretty left of centre but when your opponent implies that you are voting for 'the few' rather than 'the many' it's easy to see why you'd keep your powder dry until that secret moment in the ballot booth.
I think there's one outcome tonight that no-one seems to have predicted: a huge Tory majority. I can seriously see it happening and I'm worried that I'm only covered up to a 159 majority.
I have absolutely no idea if it is likely and am not convinced that it would be a good thing except as a means of getting rid of Corbyn.0 -
Lol... PB and reputable in the same sentence...DearPB said:DearPB said:
Theresa May is 100% saferural_voter said:Stark_Dawning said:
Theresa May's an interesting one. In Maidenhead, the Lib Dems were snapping at the Tories' heels until Dave detoxified the brand and it was heavily Remain. May has embraced hard Brexit and has turned her back on Dave's reforms. She might be toast.Big_G_NorthWales said:Does anyone agree with me that we could have all kinds of strange declarations tonight throughout the whole Country
And will Nicola Sturgeon and even Theresa May survive
Betting on the big picture, I'll be extremely happy if Alastair M or Jack W's forecasts come true.
I hope the declarations aren't 'excessively fascinating'. 10s-100s of gains and losses either way makes me nervous of some constituency bets.
I'm a bit confused why John Redwood is safe in Wokingham, a Remain seat, and TMay isn't safe in Maidenhead, a Remain seat in the same county.
Somewhere on Twitter a Corbynista is tweeting that on a reputable politics site people are debating whether TMay might lose her seat.DearPB said:
Theresa May is 100% saferural_voter said:Stark_Dawning said:
Theresa May's an interesting one. In Maidenhead, the Lib Dems were snapping at the Tories' heels until Dave detoxified the brand and it was heavily Remain. May has embraced hard Brexit and has turned her back on Dave's reforms. She might be toast.Big_G_NorthWales said:Does anyone agree with me that we could have all kinds of strange declarations tonight throughout the whole Country
And will Nicola Sturgeon and even Theresa May survive
Betting on the big picture, I'll be extremely happy if Alastair M or Jack W's forecasts come true.
I hope the declarations aren't 'excessively fascinating'. 10s-100s of gains and losses either way makes me nervous of some constituency bets.
I'm a bit confused why John Redwood is safe in Wokingham, a Remain seat, and TMay isn't safe in Maidenhead, a Remain seat in the same county.0 -
The Gambling Act 2005 changed the law to make them enforceable.JohnLilburne said:
I thought gambling debts were unenforceable.FF43 said:
As the exclusion is almost certainly unenforceable, I imagine he would pay it out. It would otherwise be, see you in court.TOPPING said:
Shadsy said he would have paid out the £1m.Andrew said:
What's really silly is that Ladbrokes max politics payout is apparently 250k, so this punter basically got a 249/1 price for something that's about as likely as Elvis for next President.KentRising said:
Inexplicable.Chameleon said:
(yes he said "would've" - WHAT DOES HE KNOW????)
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Good afternoon, everyone.
Mr. Glazebrook, welcome to pb.com.
Mr. Madasafish, that’s rather sad. Reminds me of those who really want diversity, but not when it comes to opinions.0 -
Surely not - you can back her at 1/200, but there's a chance she might lose!DearPB said:
Theresa May is 100% saferural_voter said:Stark_Dawning said:
Theresa May's an interesting one. In Maidenhead, the Lib Dems were snapping at the Tories' heels until Dave detoxified the brand and it was heavily Remain. May has embraced hard Brexit and has turned her back on Dave's reforms. She might be toast.Big_G_NorthWales said:Does anyone agree with me that we could have all kinds of strange declarations tonight throughout the whole Country
And will Nicola Sturgeon and even Theresa May survive
Betting on the big picture, I'll be extremely happy if Alastair M or Jack W's forecasts come true.
I hope the declarations aren't 'excessively fascinating'. 10s-100s of gains and losses either way makes me nervous of some constituency bets.
I'm a bit confused why John Redwood is safe in Wokingham, a Remain seat, and TMay isn't safe in Maidenhead, a Remain seat in the same county.
Ah, I was going to say 'Bristol? I'm surprised there were any non Corbynites there', but if some live in other places it makes sense now.ChaosOdin said:
South West, the office is in Bristol but people also live in Bath and Wiltshire etc.nunu said:
wow. where abouts please?ChaosOdin said:It all just kicked off in my office, a Corbynista became rude an aggressive (and had to eventually be taken to one side) when someone else questioned Corbyn's ability to negotiate Brexit.
The aftermath lead to a few first time Tories giving away who they voted for. If the office is anything to go by then some surprising Labour supporters over 40 decided to vote May to stop Corbyn.
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True. And the fact neither main party is facing up to reality on Brexit and a number of other issues for the country. Mrs May wants a carte blanche to make up for not having any policy at all on Brexit. Meanwhile Mr Corbyn draws castles in the air.Peter_the_Punter said:
It is the most unimportant in my lifetime because whatever the composition of the next Government it will have little room for manouevre in respect of both Brexit and the economy.Beverley_C said:
I would like to think he is right, because the alternative is that it is the most irrelevant in years as we all "knew" the result on the day it was called (I live in hope of a surprise such as no increase for the govt or even a hung parliament)Pulpstar said:My Dad reckons this is the most important general election in years. I'm in complete agreement.
It certainly is the election with the worst ever selection of policies that I can recall and a dire choice of party leader for all the main parties.0 -
Sir Glazebrook, surely?Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
Mr. Glazebrook, welcome to pb.com.
Mr. Madasafish, that’s rather sad. Reminds me of those who really want diversity, but not when it comes to opinions. 0 -
#Kids4Corbyn update
Results of Year 11,12,13 mock election at my son's school
Con: 19 seats
Lab: 6
LD: 0 (!)
Green: 2
UKIP: 2
no idea how they did it, says "seats" not votes, maybe PR or maybe by tutor group FPTP.
Anyway was surprised at the landslide victory for Con...
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Eton?JonCisBack said:#Kids4Corbyn update
Results of Year 11,12,13 mock election at my son's school
Con: 19 seats
Lab: 6
LD: 0 (!)
Green: 2
UKIP: 2
no idea how they did it, says "seats" not votes, maybe PR or maybe by tutor group FPTP.
Anyway was surprised at the landslide victory for Con...0 -
I imagine that there are quite a few dads who wouldn't mind their daughter's friends joining in with them...Chameleon said:
It was just mental, seeing a Dad go in and savage his daughter's views, then her close friends joined in... on the Dad's side. Fuck me.madasafish said:
The abuse she got is no doubt from the kind of people who deprecate bullying of any sort and take up the cause of the oppressed....but when their political views are challenged..Chameleon said:
I posted earlier about a girl (18) that shared something.Jason said:
Agreed, but you don't expect it from members of your own family. She's learnt a harsh lesson today about human nature and the pack mentality.RobD said:
Lefties are the worstJason said:My partner inadvertently shared a pic of the 'Proud to vote for Theresa May' on FB, so of course the same ad appeared on her page.
Guess what? She's started receiving abuse from members of her own family - including her sister. It's upset her, and I'm furious.
I need to cool down before I do something I regret.
The first response was from her *Dad*:
'Maybe one day you'll have a genuine thought of your own [name]... being influenced by new money shallow individuals is no excuse... don't be mislead! We'll get it from the magic money tree of course... take from the rich and divide it up fairly... get a conscience... there is a better way than greed.'
She's now been attacked by 5 or 6 different people and has had to post this:
'This is getting seriously out of hand. Everyone just calm down. Take a deep breath. And now fuck off and vote for whoever the hell you want! It's nobody else's business anyway!!!!!!'.0 -
Not as such but given the success of Coral in the courts on refusing to pay out at similar odds on the bet "Rangers to be Relegated" (and the contortions they went through to prove that the plain English meaning of the word "Relegated" did not apply to this instance of "a technical adjustment of the club's status from a higher division to a lower division") included their defence claim that "We'd never have offered those odds if we thought there was any chance of it actually happening", one presumes the kind of event that would see the bet win would also be treated as an opportunity to palp the bet, particularly given Coral and Ladbrokes are now part of the same stable.JohnLilburne said:
I thought gambling debts were unenforceable.FF43 said:
As the exclusion is almost certainly unenforceable, I imagine he would pay it out. It would otherwise be, see you in court.TOPPING said:
Shadsy said he would have paid out the £1m.Andrew said:
What's really silly is that Ladbrokes max politics payout is apparently 250k, so this punter basically got a 249/1 price for something that's about as likely as Elvis for next President.KentRising said:
Inexplicable.Chameleon said:
(yes he said "would've" - WHAT DOES HE KNOW????)0 -
Among people I've talked to (almost exclusively Tories in 2015 and 40-60) I've got farmers & families going to the LDs and people going to LDs & other minor parties. I'm expecting the grey vote to still turnout, which will keep the seats safe, but the middle-class remain-y Tory vote is splitting.Jason said:
Are you expecting 'quite large falls in the majorities in the safe shires' because you genuinely believe that, or because you want that to happen? On what evidence do you base your assertion on, if any? I'm genuinely intrigued.Chameleon said:
I'm expecting quite large falls in the majorities in the safe shires, splitting to Lab and LD (which is very bad news for the LDs...)Pong said:
That would be hilarious.Stark_Dawning said:
Theresa May's an interesting one. In Maidenhead, the Lib Dems were snapping at the Tories' heels until Dave detoxified the brand and it was heavily Remain. May has embraced hard Brexit and has turned her back on Dave's reforms. She might be toast.Big_G_NorthWales said:Does anyone agree with me that we could have all kinds of strange declarations tonight throughout the whole Country
And will Nicola Sturgeon and even Theresa May survive
TM extending her majority while losing her seat.
It won't happen though.0 -
SeanT?SandyRentool said:
I imagine that there are quite a few dads who wouldn't mind their daughter's friends joining in with them...Chameleon said:
It was just mental, seeing a Dad go in and savage his daughter's views, then her close friends joined in... on the Dad's side. Fuck me.madasafish said:
The abuse she got is no doubt from the kind of people who deprecate bullying of any sort and take up the cause of the oppressed....but when their political views are challenged..Chameleon said:
I posted earlier about a girl (18) that shared something.Jason said:
Agreed, but you don't expect it from members of your own family. She's learnt a harsh lesson today about human nature and the pack mentality.RobD said:
Lefties are the worstJason said:My partner inadvertently shared a pic of the 'Proud to vote for Theresa May' on FB, so of course the same ad appeared on her page.
Guess what? She's started receiving abuse from members of her own family - including her sister. It's upset her, and I'm furious.
I need to cool down before I do something I regret.
The first response was from her *Dad*:
'Maybe one day you'll have a genuine thought of your own [name]... being influenced by new money shallow individuals is no excuse... don't be mislead! We'll get it from the magic money tree of course... take from the rich and divide it up fairly... get a conscience... there is a better way than greed.'
She's now been attacked by 5 or 6 different people and has had to post this:
'This is getting seriously out of hand. Everyone just calm down. Take a deep breath. And now fuck off and vote for whoever the hell you want! It's nobody else's business anyway!!!!!!'.0 -
Pulpstar said:
Another former Lib Dem friend gone off the Corbynite deep end.
Just think, he is saying about you: "another former Lib Dem friend gone off the Tory deep end"0 -
The Greens were triumphant at my daughter's prep school yesterday.JonCisBack said:#Kids4Corbyn update
Results of Year 11,12,13 mock election at my son's school
Con: 19 seats
Lab: 6
LD: 0 (!)
Green: 2
UKIP: 2
no idea how they did it, says "seats" not votes, maybe PR or maybe by tutor group FPTP.
Anyway was surprised at the landslide victory for Con...0 -
I was thinking of the unfair contract terms part of the Consumer Rights Act.JohnLilburne said:
I thought gambling debts were unenforceable.FF43 said:
As the exclusion is almost certainly unenforceable, I imagine he would pay it out. It would otherwise be, see you in court.TOPPING said:
Shadsy said he would have paid out the £1m.Andrew said:
What's really silly is that Ladbrokes max politics payout is apparently 250k, so this punter basically got a 249/1 price for something that's about as likely as Elvis for next President.KentRising said:
Inexplicable.Chameleon said:
(yes he said "would've" - WHAT DOES HE KNOW????)0 -
Remember a mate of mine from a pit village in Durham telling me he was a member of the Conservative Club up there, as were all his family. Was well run, reasonably priced, had high quality snooker tables, and a somewhat strict law and order approach to any messing about/misbehaviour, no pop music, and as such was a popular place. None of them were Tories, in fact the Conservative club had far more members than local Tory voters.Carolus_Rex said:
My father in law belonged to the Labour Club for the darts and the Conservative Club for the snooker (or it may have been the other way around). I don't think anybody cared.kle4 said:
I know a few Tories with Corbynista children - must be fun times.Jason said:
Not all Lefties in general, but Corbynistas. I don't see any difference between them and BNP supporters. They are equally one-eyed, aggressive and vociferous in their beliefs. And equally odious. Two sides of the same coin, both sets of supporters deal in extremes.Bobajob_PB said:
Yes, Lefties are evil, unpatriotic, violent scum who can only aspire to all that is good and great about being a Tory. I know this, because I have read it several times, right here on PB.RobD said:
Lefties are the worstJason said:My partner inadvertently shared a pic of the 'Proud to vote for Theresa May' on FB, so of course the same ad appeared on her page.
Guess what? She's started receiving abuse from members of her own family - including her sister. It's upset her, and I'm furious.
I need to cool down before I do something I regret.
Whereas I've voted Tory for the first time and my father (who once belonged to a Conservative club - though I never knew that until recently, and it was a long time ago) is now a Corbynista.
(He always voted Labour. Mind you, he adored Enoch Powell, but then so did a lot of other working-class Labour supporters.)0 -
To Kle4: compare and contrast 2010:
http://www.ukelect.co.uk/May2010Lead/UK2ndPlace.jpg
and 2015:
http://www.ukelect.co.uk/20150507GenElection/UK2ndPlaceF.jpg0 -
You can still get 36/1 for a Tory majority of 150-174 seats, and 80/1 for one of 175-199 seats, with Betfair Exchange.JennyFreeman said:
It's an interesting one. I guess Thatcher(ism) became associated with self-centredness and even selfishness. More recently, voting for right of centre appeared to align you with a UKIP racist message, which clearly wasn't fair but who wants to give a whiff of such an assertion?DearPB said:
I'm fascinated by when and why Tories first got shy. I know they were a remarked upon phenomenon in 1992 but that was just the first time they were noticed.Chameleon said:I can't help but feel that the rabid corbynistas have drive more shy tories underground.
As an experiment I posted a Conservative banner on Facebook yesterday (I'm not a shy Tory and never have been) and I got about 15 messages - 10 haughtily negative (lots of liberal metropolitan elite friends), 5 viciously aggressively angry. With one genuinely confused as to why it had appeared in her timeline.
How can it be socially unacceptable to share a political view with 45% of the population? Maybe Travel Junkie can enlighten me!
Theresa's manifesto was actually pretty left of centre but when your opponent implies that you are voting for 'the few' rather than 'the many' it's easy to see why you'd keep your powder dry until that secret moment in the ballot booth.
I think there's one outcome tonight that no-one seems to have predicted: a huge Tory majority. I can seriously see it happening and I'm worried that I'm only covered up to a 159 majority.
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.1311465420 -
Haha probably yes. Anyway my main aim is to save Clegg this election. I think he's in desperate trouble.Bobajob_PB said:Pulpstar said:Another former Lib Dem friend gone off the Corbynite deep end.
Just think, he is saying about you: "another former Lib Dem friend gone off the Tory deep end"0 -
Mr. D, it'd be Sir Desmond.0
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Brutal.Chameleon said:To Kle4: compare and contrast 2010:
http://www.ukelect.co.uk/May2010Lead/UK2ndPlace.jpg
and 2015:
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You are not alone in having that experience. I've kept quiet this election on FB.JennyFreeman said:
Three 'friends' removed me from Facebook because I voted for Brexit.RobD said:
Lefties are the worstJason said:My partner inadvertently shared a pic of the 'Proud to vote for Theresa May' on FB, so of course the same ad appeared on her page.
Guess what? She's started receiving abuse from members of her own family - including her sister. It's upset her, and I'm furious.
I need to cool down before I do something I regret.
WillS0 -
@PickardJE: 10.15pm, the commentatiat. "When we said we thought May was clueless, flailing and useless, we meant she knew what she was doing all along."0
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30 years ago, almost to the day ... Spitting Image election special 11 June 1987
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There's very rarely a link between Con Clubs and the Conservative Party.PaulM said:
Remember a mate of mine from a pit village in Durham telling me he was a member of the Conservative Club up there, as were all his family. Was well run, reasonably priced, had high quality snooker tables, and a somewhat strict law and order approach to any messing about/misbehaviour, no pop music, and as such was a popular place. None of them were Tories, in fact the Conservative club had far more members than local Tory voters.Carolus_Rex said:
My father in law belonged to the Labour Club for the darts and the Conservative Club for the snooker (or it may have been the other way around). I don't think anybody cared.kle4 said:
I know a few Tories with Corbynista children - must be fun times.Jason said:
Not all Lefties in general, but Corbynistas. I don't see any difference between them and BNP supporters. They are equally one-eyed, aggressive and vociferous in their beliefs. And equally odious. Two sides of the same coin, both sets of supporters deal in extremes.Bobajob_PB said:
Yes, Lefties are evil, unpatriotic, violent scum who can only aspire to all that is good and great about being a Tory. I know this, because I have read it several times, right here on PB.RobD said:
Lefties are the worstJason said:My partner inadvertently shared a pic of the 'Proud to vote for Theresa May' on FB, so of course the same ad appeared on her page.
Guess what? She's started receiving abuse from members of her own family - including her sister. It's upset her, and I'm furious.
I need to cool down before I do something I regret.
Whereas I've voted Tory for the first time and my father (who once belonged to a Conservative club - though I never knew that until recently, and it was a long time ago) is now a Corbynista.
(He always voted Labour. Mind you, he adored Enoch Powell, but then so did a lot of other working-class Labour supporters.)0 -
What did Jack W end up forecasting -i missed his prognosis?rural_voter said:Stark_Dawning said:
Theresa May's an interesting one. In Maidenhead, the Lib Dems were snapping at the Tories' heels until Dave detoxified the brand and it was heavily Remain. May has embraced hard Brexit and has turned her back on Dave's reforms. She might be toast.Big_G_NorthWales said:Does anyone agree with me that we could have all kinds of strange declarations tonight throughout the whole Country
And will Nicola Sturgeon and even Theresa May survive
Betting on the big picture, I'll be extremely happy if Alastair M or Jack W's forecasts come true.
I hope the declarations aren't 'excessively fascinating'. 10s-100s of gains and losses either way makes me nervous of some constituency bets.
I'm a bit confused why John Redwood is safe in Wokingham, a Remain seat, and TMay isn't safe in Maidenhead, a Remain seat in the same county.0 -
I'm so uncouth.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. D, it'd be Sir Desmond.
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You should meet my friend, Anne Eque-Dotal. She's full of surprises!Chameleon said:
Among people I've talked to (almost exclusively Tories in 2015 and 40-60) I've got farmers & families going to the LDs and people going to LDs & other minor parties. I'm expecting the grey vote to still turnout, which will keep the seats safe, but the middle-class remain-y Tory vote is splitting.Jason said:
Are you expecting 'quite large falls in the majorities in the safe shires' because you genuinely believe that, or because you want that to happen? On what evidence do you base your assertion on, if any? I'm genuinely intrigued.Chameleon said:
I'm expecting quite large falls in the majorities in the safe shires, splitting to Lab and LD (which is very bad news for the LDs...)Pong said:
That would be hilarious.Stark_Dawning said:
Theresa May's an interesting one. In Maidenhead, the Lib Dems were snapping at the Tories' heels until Dave detoxified the brand and it was heavily Remain. May has embraced hard Brexit and has turned her back on Dave's reforms. She might be toast.Big_G_NorthWales said:Does anyone agree with me that we could have all kinds of strange declarations tonight throughout the whole Country
And will Nicola Sturgeon and even Theresa May survive
TM extending her majority while losing her seat.
It won't happen though.0 -
Where is SeanT? Hiding behind the sofa?Jason said:
SeanT?SandyRentool said:
I imagine that there are quite a few dads who wouldn't mind their daughter's friends joining in with them...Chameleon said:
It was just mental, seeing a Dad go in and savage his daughter's views, then her close friends joined in... on the Dad's side. Fuck me.madasafish said:
The abuse she got is no doubt from the kind of people who deprecate bullying of any sort and take up the cause of the oppressed....but when their political views are challenged..Chameleon said:
I posted earlier about a girl (18) that shared something.Jason said:
Agreed, but you don't expect it from members of your own family. She's learnt a harsh lesson today about human nature and the pack mentality.RobD said:
Lefties are the worstJason said:My partner inadvertently shared a pic of the 'Proud to vote for Theresa May' on FB, so of course the same ad appeared on her page.
Guess what? She's started receiving abuse from members of her own family - including her sister. It's upset her, and I'm furious.
I need to cool down before I do something I regret.
The first response was from her *Dad*:
'Maybe one day you'll have a genuine thought of your own [name]... being influenced by new money shallow individuals is no excuse... don't be mislead! We'll get it from the magic money tree of course... take from the rich and divide it up fairly... get a conscience... there is a better way than greed.'
She's now been attacked by 5 or 6 different people and has had to post this:
'This is getting seriously out of hand. Everyone just calm down. Take a deep breath. And now fuck off and vote for whoever the hell you want! It's nobody else's business anyway!!!!!!'.0 -
He's just arrived in Rome. He says he'll be commenting tonight on here.Beverley_C said:
Where is SeanT? Hiding behind the sofa?Jason said:
SeanT?SandyRentool said:
I imagine that there are quite a few dads who wouldn't mind their daughter's friends joining in with them...Chameleon said:
It was just mental, seeing a Dad go in and savage his daughter's views, then her close friends joined in... on the Dad's side. Fuck me.madasafish said:
The abuse she got is no doubt from the kind of people who deprecate bullying of any sort and take up the cause of the oppressed....but when their political views are challenged..Chameleon said:
I posted earlier about a girl (18) that shared something.Jason said:
Agreed, but you don't expect it from members of your own family. She's learnt a harsh lesson today about human nature and the pack mentality.RobD said:
Lefties are the worstJason said:My partner inadvertently shared a pic of the 'Proud to vote for Theresa May' on FB, so of course the same ad appeared on her page.
Guess what? She's started receiving abuse from members of her own family - including her sister. It's upset her, and I'm furious.
I need to cool down before I do something I regret.
The first response was from her *Dad*:
'Maybe one day you'll have a genuine thought of your own [name]... being influenced by new money shallow individuals is no excuse... don't be mislead! We'll get it from the magic money tree of course... take from the rich and divide it up fairly... get a conscience... there is a better way than greed.'
She's now been attacked by 5 or 6 different people and has had to post this:
'This is getting seriously out of hand. Everyone just calm down. Take a deep breath. And now fuck off and vote for whoever the hell you want! It's nobody else's business anyway!!!!!!'.0 -
Everything north of there is very cheap at the moment too. I wouldn't rule out a massive Tory win still, or Jez PM. This is v difficult to call.AndyJS said:
You can still get 36/1 for a Tory majority of 150-174 seats, and 80/1 for one of 175-199 seats, with Betfair Exchange.JennyFreeman said:
It's an interesting one. I guess Thatcher(ism) became associated with self-centredness and even selfishness. More recently, voting for right of centre appeared to align you with a UKIP racist message, which clearly wasn't fair but who wants to give a whiff of such an assertion?DearPB said:
I'm fascinated by when and why Tories first got shy. I know they were a remarked upon phenomenon in 1992 but that was just the first time they were noticed.Chameleon said:I can't help but feel that the rabid corbynistas have drive more shy tories underground.
As an experiment I posted a Conservative banner on Facebook yesterday (I'm not a shy Tory and never have been) and I got about 15 messages - 10 haughtily negative (lots of liberal metropolitan elite friends), 5 viciously aggressively angry. With one genuinely confused as to why it had appeared in her timeline.
How can it be socially unacceptable to share a political view with 45% of the population? Maybe Travel Junkie can enlighten me!
Theresa's manifesto was actually pretty left of centre but when your opponent implies that you are voting for 'the few' rather than 'the many' it's easy to see why you'd keep your powder dry until that secret moment in the ballot booth.
I think there's one outcome tonight that no-one seems to have predicted: a huge Tory majority. I can seriously see it happening and I'm worried that I'm only covered up to a 159 majority.
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.1311465420 -
You just need the most popular kid in school to be for Party X, and Party X wins.JonCisBack said:#Kids4Corbyn update
Results of Year 11,12,13 mock election at my son's school
Con: 19 seats
Lab: 6
LD: 0 (!)
Green: 2
UKIP: 2
no idea how they did it, says "seats" not votes, maybe PR or maybe by tutor group FPTP.
Anyway was surprised at the landslide victory for Con...
Theresa May lost her school's mock election to a Liberal.0 -
If the Tories do win a sizable majority, it won't be down to may. It will be another triumph for textor / messina.Scott_P said:@PickardJE: 10.15pm, the commentatiat. "When we said we thought May was clueless, flailing and useless, we meant she knew what she was doing all along."
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Slumming it on another freebie in RomeBeverley_C said:Where is SeanT? Hiding behind the sofa?
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Have been to do my civic duty in Didcot, at the polling station presided over by Mrs Fleet, in favour of the mighty Vaizey, blessings be upon his noodly appendages.
Mrs Fleet has had a couple of voters mystified that they couldn't find Mrs May on the ballot paper, which suggested to me that there are some first timers coming out. In general the consensus from the team in the polling station was that business was quite busy but not exceptional. They're anticipating it will pick up later.0 -
We have been Mottramed!Peter_the_Punter said:
It is the most unimportant in my lifetime because whatever the composition of the next Government it will have little room for manouevre in respect of both Brexit and the economy.Beverley_C said:
I would like to think he is right, because the alternative is that it is the most irrelevant in years as we all "knew" the result on the day it was called (I live in hope of a surprise such as no increase for the govt or even a hung parliament)Pulpstar said:My Dad reckons this is the most important general election in years. I'm in complete agreement.
It certainly is the election with the worst ever selection of policies that I can recall and a dire choice of party leader for all the main parties.
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Perhaps so, although I know my father has voted Tory at least once before too.DearPB said:
There's very rarely a link between Con Clubs and the Conservative Party.PaulM said:
Remember a mate of mine from a pit village in Durham telling me he was a member of the Conservative Club up there, as were all his family. Was well run, reasonably priced, had high quality snooker tables, and a somewhat strict law and order approach to any messing about/misbehaviour, no pop music, and as such was a popular place. None of them were Tories, in fact the Conservative club had far more members than local Tory voters.Carolus_Rex said:
My father in law belonged to the Labour Club for the darts and the Conservative Club for the snooker (or it may have been the other way around). I don't think anybody cared.kle4 said:
I know a few Tories with Corbynista children - must be fun times.Jason said:
Not all Lefties in general, but Corbynistas. I don't see any difference between them and BNP supporters. They are equally one-eyed, aggressive and vociferous in their beliefs. And equally odious. Two sides of the same coin, both sets of supporters deal in extremes.Bobajob_PB said:
Yes, Lefties are evil, unpatriotic, violent scum who can only aspire to all that is good and great about being a Tory. I know this, because I have read it several times, right here on PB.RobD said:
Lefties are the worstJason said:My partner inadvertently shared a pic of the 'Proud to vote for Theresa May' on FB, so of course the same ad appeared on her page.
Guess what? She's started receiving abuse from members of her own family - including her sister. It's upset her, and I'm furious.
I need to cool down before I do something I regret.
Whereas I've voted Tory for the first time and my father (who once belonged to a Conservative club - though I never knew that until recently, and it was a long time ago) is now a Corbynista.
(He always voted Labour. Mind you, he adored Enoch Powell, but then so did a lot of other working-class Labour supporters.)
Amusingly, he always said that Blair was a really a Tory, only now its not said neutrally.0 -
Ooohhhh... it looks like Venezuela might have defaulted. That will put the cat among the pigeons, as their hard currency debt is about 5x more than Greece's. (Unless the Chinese rescue them again.)0
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I was a member briefly of the local Broadwater Conservative Working Mens Club as I was playing for their bar billiards team . Half the members were not men , half not working and half not Conservative - what is in the name ?Carolus_Rex said:
My father in law belonged to the Labour Club for the darts and the Conservative Club for the snooker (or it may have been the other way around). I don't think anybody cared.kle4 said:
I know a few Tories with Corbynista children - must be fun times.Jason said:
Not all Lefties in general, but Corbynistas. I don't see any difference between them and BNP supporters. They are equally one-eyed, aggressive and vociferous in their beliefs. And equally odious. Two sides of the same coin, both sets of supporters deal in extremes.Bobajob_PB said:
Yes, Lefties are evil, unpatriotic, violent scum who can only aspire to all that is good and great about being a Tory. I know this, because I have read it several times, right here on PB.RobD said:
Lefties are the worstJason said:My partner inadvertently shared a pic of the 'Proud to vote for Theresa May' on FB, so of course the same ad appeared on her page.
Guess what? She's started receiving abuse from members of her own family - including her sister. It's upset her, and I'm furious.
I need to cool down before I do something I regret.
Whereas I've voted Tory for the first time and my father (who once belonged to a Conservative club - though I never knew that until recently, and it was a long time ago) is now a Corbynista.
(He always voted Labour. Mind you, he adored Enoch Powell, but then so did a lot of other working-class Labour supporters.)0 -
and also traveljunkie isn't here today....ummmmmScott_P said:
Slumming it on another freebie in RomeBeverley_C said:Where is SeanT? Hiding behind the sofa?
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Yes, it's all anecdotal, I never denied that. I mean we are at a place where some pollsters seem to be changing how they adjust their inputs to get a more favourable output.Jason said:
You should meet my friend, Anne Eque-Dotal. She's full of surprises!Chameleon said:
Among people I've talked to (almost exclusively Tories in 2015 and 40-60) I've got farmers & families going to the LDs and people going to LDs & other minor parties. I'm expecting the grey vote to still turnout, which will keep the seats safe, but the middle-class remain-y Tory vote is splitting.Jason said:
Are you expecting 'quite large falls in the majorities in the safe shires' because you genuinely believe that, or because you want that to happen? On what evidence do you base your assertion on, if any? I'm genuinely intrigued.Chameleon said:
I'm expecting quite large falls in the majorities in the safe shires, splitting to Lab and LD (which is very bad news for the LDs...)Pong said:
That would be hilarious.Stark_Dawning said:
Theresa May's an interesting one. In Maidenhead, the Lib Dems were snapping at the Tories' heels until Dave detoxified the brand and it was heavily Remain. May has embraced hard Brexit and has turned her back on Dave's reforms. She might be toast.Big_G_NorthWales said:Does anyone agree with me that we could have all kinds of strange declarations tonight throughout the whole Country
And will Nicola Sturgeon and even Theresa May survive
TM extending her majority while losing her seat.
It won't happen though.0 -
My father-in-law's working men's club took one for the team by taking the snooker table of the local Tory club's hands. The latter was closing down and selling up the property due to a lack of members. I've played snooker on it a few times, it's a good table. Sadly my snooker hasn't improved beyond atrocious.PaulM said:
Remember a mate of mine from a pit village in Durham telling me he was a member of the Conservative Club up there, as were all his family. Was well run, reasonably priced, had high quality snooker tables, and a somewhat strict law and order approach to any messing about/misbehaviour, no pop music, and as such was a popular place. None of them were Tories, in fact the Conservative club had far more members than local Tory voters.Carolus_Rex said:
My father in law belonged to the Labour Club for the darts and the Conservative Club for the snooker (or it may have been the other way around). I don't think anybody cared.kle4 said:
I know a few Tories with Corbynista children - must be fun times.Jason said:
Not all Lefties in general, but Corbynistas. I don't see any difference between them and BNP supporters. They are equally one-eyed, aggressive and vociferous in their beliefs. And equally odious. Two sides of the same coin, both sets of supporters deal in extremes.Bobajob_PB said:
Yes, Lefties are evil, unpatriotic, violent scum who can only aspire to all that is good and great about being a Tory. I know this, because I have read it several times, right here on PB.RobD said:
Lefties are the worstJason said:My partner inadvertently shared a pic of the 'Proud to vote for Theresa May' on FB, so of course the same ad appeared on her page.
Guess what? She's started receiving abuse from members of her own family - including her sister. It's upset her, and I'm furious.
I need to cool down before I do something I regret.
Whereas I've voted Tory for the first time and my father (who once belonged to a Conservative club - though I never knew that until recently, and it was a long time ago) is now a Corbynista.
(He always voted Labour. Mind you, he adored Enoch Powell, but then so did a lot of other working-class Labour supporters.)0 -
I got Pizzas, popcorn and a bag of M & Ms yesterday. Loads of sugar, no alcohol. Coke and Ice Tea in the fridge for caffeine.TheValiant said:I'm so excited it's unbelieveable. Presently at work - getting nothing done (well... is reading PB considered productive?).
Leave at 5pm - home via the shops to buy pizza, crisps and other snacks. No booze, I don't drink.
Home - daughter to bed - then off to an all night election 'party' at a friends house. Six of us. An unrepentant Kipper, a true Thatcherite blue, a 'wet' conservative, one Blairite Labour, one Corbyn Labour and myself... whatever I am (probably wet blue).
Going to try a power nap after giving the kids their dinner.
*buzzing*
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Whats happening with Comey - has Trump been arrested yet ?0
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Pulpstar said:
Haha probably yes. Anyway my main aim is to save Clegg this election. I think he's in desperate trouble.Bobajob_PB said:Pulpstar said:Another former Lib Dem friend gone off the Corbynite deep end.
Just think, he is saying about you: "another former Lib Dem friend gone off the Tory deep end"
Labour to win Hallam?0 -
In my town the Conservative Club and the Labour Club were practically on the same street (the Labour one was opposite the T junction road which Conservative club is on), which I always found amusing for some reason, as I imagined people moving from one to the other on a club crawl.0
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Most of the East German Communist Party enforcers and Stasi informers were ex-Nazis. It was neither subtle nor secret. The will to (even petty) power outguns philosophical purity.glw said:
Fascists and anti-fascists are all but indistinguishable in practice.Jason said:
Not all Lefties in general, but Corbynistas. I don't see any difference between them and BNP supporters. They are equally one-eyed, aggressive and vociferous in their beliefs. And equally odious. Two sides of the same coin, both sets of supporters deal in extremes.Bobajob_PB said:
Yes, Lefties are evil, unpatriotic, violent scum who can only aspire to all that is good and great about being a Tory. I know this, because I have read it several times, right here on PB.RobD said:
Lefties are the worstJason said:My partner inadvertently shared a pic of the 'Proud to vote for Theresa May' on FB, so of course the same ad appeared on her page.
Guess what? She's started receiving abuse from members of her own family - including her sister. It's upset her, and I'm furious.
I need to cool down before I do something I regret.
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Quick check in. Can anyone summarise.... is the Crimson Tide of Youth apparent or not from those on the ground?
Will I be wetting the bed later?0 -
Comet is burying trump and the media.TGOHF said:Whats happening with Comey - has Trump been arrested yet ?
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On a Russian loan no less. Could there be any repercussions in the Russian financial system?rcs1000 said:Ooohhhh... it looks like Venezuela might have defaulted. That will put the cat among the pigeons, as their hard currency debt is about 5x more than Greece's. (Unless the Chinese rescue them again.)
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Funnily enough it crossed my mind earlier today - Blair can't have voted Labour today - can he?kle4 said:
Perhaps so, although I know my father has voted Tory at least once before too.DearPB said:
There's very rarely a link between Con Clubs and the Conservative Party.PaulM said:
Remember a mate of mine from a pit village in Durham telling me he was a member of the Conservative Club up there, as were all his family. Was well run, reasonably priced, had high quality snooker tables, and a somewhat strict law and order approach to any messing about/misbehaviour, no pop music, and as such was a popular place. None of them were Tories, in fact the Conservative club had far more members than local Tory voters.Carolus_Rex said:
My father in law belonged to the Labour Club for the darts and the Conservative Club for the snooker (or it may have been the other way around). I don't think anybody cared.kle4 said:
I know a few Tories with Corbynista children - must be fun times.Jason said:
Not all Lefties in general, but Corbynistas. I don't see any difference between them and BNP supporters. They are equally one-eyed, aggressive and vociferous in their beliefs. And equally odious. Two sides of the same coin, both sets of supporters deal in extremes.Bobajob_PB said:
Yes, Lefties are evil, unpatriotic, violent scum who can only aspire to all that is good and great about being a Tory. I know this, because I have read it several times, right here on PB.RobD said:
Lefties are the worstJason said:My partner inadvertently shared a pic of the 'Proud to vote for Theresa May' on FB, so of course the same ad appeared on her page.
Guess what? She's started receiving abuse from members of her own family - including her sister. It's upset her, and I'm furious.
I need to cool down before I do something I regret.
Whereas I've voted Tory for the first time and my father (who once belonged to a Conservative club - though I never knew that until recently, and it was a long time ago) is now a Corbynista.
(He always voted Labour. Mind you, he adored Enoch Powell, but then so did a lot of other working-class Labour supporters.)
Amusingly, he always said that Blair was a really a Tory, only now its not said neutrally.0 -
Mr. 1000, are you suggesting socialism is economic ruin? Blasphemy!
Mr. D, well, it could be worse. You could be the sort of jester who thinks Caesar was a better general than Hannibal.0 -
Several models suggest so. The Mail have urged Tories to vote Clegg, but I think he's in real trouble.Bobajob_PB said:Pulpstar said:
Haha probably yes. Anyway my main aim is to save Clegg this election. I think he's in desperate trouble.Bobajob_PB said:Pulpstar said:Another former Lib Dem friend gone off the Corbynite deep end.
Just think, he is saying about you: "another former Lib Dem friend gone off the Tory deep end"
Labour to win Hallam?0 -
Electronic voting would be the least secure system ever. Paper is hard to hack and our current system is efficient at counting it and is well scrutinised.glw said:
Probably the best justification yet for a secret ballot on paper rather than internet voting.Chameleon said:
I posted earlier about a girl (18) that shared something.Jason said:
Agreed, but you don't expect it from members of your own family. She's learnt a harsh lesson today about human nature and the pack mentality.RobD said:
Lefties are the worstJason said:My partner inadvertently shared a pic of the 'Proud to vote for Theresa May' on FB, so of course the same ad appeared on her page.
Guess what? She's started receiving abuse from members of her own family - including her sister. It's upset her, and I'm furious.
I need to cool down before I do something I regret.
The first response was from her *Dad*:
'Maybe one day you'll have a genuine thought of your own [name]... being influenced by new money shallow individuals is no excuse... don't be mislead! We'll get it from the magic money tree of course... take from the rich and divide it up fairly... get a conscience... there is a better way than greed.'
She's now been attacked by 5 or 6 different people and has had to post this:
'This is getting seriously out of hand. Everyone just calm down. Take a deep breath. And now fuck off and vote for whoever the hell you want! It's nobody else's business anyway!!!!!!'.
The day we go electronic, the UK will truly be sunk.0 -
It wouldn't even be a shock if they were the same person. However I doubt that he would have been able to tone down the hysteria enough to become traveljunkie.Slackbladder said:
and also traveljunkie isn't here today....ummmmmScott_P said:
Slumming it on another freebie in RomeBeverley_C said:Where is SeanT? Hiding behind the sofa?
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Back in 1997, I had a dear friend who was so left-wing that he made Dennis Skinner look like Margaret Thatcher. When I saw him on the Saturday morning I wondered why he wasn't celebrating with the other lefties in our crowd.kle4 said:
Perhaps so, although I know my father has voted Tory at least once before too.DearPB said:
There's very rarely a link between Con Clubs and the Conservative Party.PaulM said:
Remember a mate of mine from a pit village in Durham telling me he was a member of the Conservative Club up there, as were all his family. Was well run, reasonably priced, had high quality snooker tables, and a somewhat strict law and order approach to any messing about/misbehaviour, no pop music, and as such was a popular place. None of them were Tories, in fact the Conservative club had far more members than local Tory voters.Carolus_Rex said:
My father in law belonged to the Labour Club for the darts and the Conservative Club for the snooker (or it may have been the other way around). I don't think anybody cared.kle4 said:
I know a few Tories with Corbynista children - must be fun times.Jason said:
Not all Lefties in general, but Corbynistas. I don't see any difference between them and BNP supporters. They are equally one-eyed, aggressive and vociferous in their beliefs. And equally odious. Two sides of the same coin, both sets of supporters deal in extremes.Bobajob_PB said:
Yes, Lefties are evil, unpatriotic, violent scum who can only aspire to all that is good and great about being a Tory. I know this, because I have read it several times, right here on PB.RobD said:
Lefties are the worstJason said:My partner inadvertently shared a pic of the 'Proud to vote for Theresa May' on FB, so of course the same ad appeared on her page.
Guess what? She's started receiving abuse from members of her own family - including her sister. It's upset her, and I'm furious.
I need to cool down before I do something I regret.
Whereas I've voted Tory for the first time and my father (who once belonged to a Conservative club - though I never knew that until recently, and it was a long time ago) is now a Corbynista.
(He always voted Labour. Mind you, he adored Enoch Powell, but then so did a lot of other working-class Labour supporters.)
Amusingly, he always said that Blair was a really a Tory, only now its not said neutrally.
He replied "because the Tories have won."
I think he was ahead of the curve on that one. It took ten years for most Labourites to form a similar view.
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Potentially I reckon its just the sort of middle class seat Labour will hold up well in.Bobajob_PB said:Pulpstar said:
Haha probably yes. Anyway my main aim is to save Clegg this election. I think he's in desperate trouble.Bobajob_PB said:Pulpstar said:Another former Lib Dem friend gone off the Corbynite deep end.
Just think, he is saying about you: "another former Lib Dem friend gone off the Tory deep end"
Labour to win Hallam?0 -
Probably, but the reports from the ground are useless as ever they are.RobinWiggs said:Quick check in. Can anyone summarise.... is the Crimson Tide of Youth apparent or not from those on the ground?
Will I be wetting the bed later?0 -
HOw the Tories didn't point to jezza, to his manifesto and then what is going on in Venezuela I have no idea.0
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Hardly surprised given it is a prime example of Corbynomics at work.rcs1000 said:Ooohhhh... it looks like Venezuela might have defaulted. That will put the cat among the pigeons, as their hard currency debt is about 5x more than Greece's. (Unless the Chinese rescue them again.)
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Lucky Clegg - he can go and earn some money!kle4 said:
Several models suggest so. The Mail have urged Tories to vote Clegg, but I think he's in real trouble.Bobajob_PB said:Pulpstar said:
Haha probably yes. Anyway my main aim is to save Clegg this election. I think he's in desperate trouble.Bobajob_PB said:Pulpstar said:Another former Lib Dem friend gone off the Corbynite deep end.
Just think, he is saying about you: "another former Lib Dem friend gone off the Tory deep end"
Labour to win Hallam?0 -
Courtesy of WikiquoteProdicus said:
Most of the East German Communist Party enforcers and Stasi informers were ex-Nazis. It was neither subtle nor secret. The will to (even petty) power outguns philosophical purity.glw said:
Fascists and anti-fascists are all but indistinguishable in practice.Jason said:
Not all Lefties in general, but Corbynistas. I don't see any difference between them and BNP supporters. They are equally one-eyed, aggressive and vociferous in their beliefs. And equally odious. Two sides of the same coin, both sets of supporters deal in extremes.Bobajob_PB said:
Yes, Lefties are evil, unpatriotic, violent scum who can only aspire to all that is good and great about being a Tory. I know this, because I have read it several times, right here on PB.RobD said:
Lefties are the worstJason said:My partner inadvertently shared a pic of the 'Proud to vote for Theresa May' on FB, so of course the same ad appeared on her page.
Guess what? She's started receiving abuse from members of her own family - including her sister. It's upset her, and I'm furious.
I need to cool down before I do something I regret.
"It is not Germany that will turn Bolshevist but Bolshevism that will become a sort of National Socialism. Besides, there is more that binds us to Bolshevism than separates us from it…. I have always made allowance for this circumstance, and given orders that former Communists are to be admitted to the party at once. The petit bourgeois Social-Democrat and the trade union boss will never make a National Socialist, but the Communist always will."
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I had a brief public debate on FB with my Dad before EUref - I posted something remain supporting, he replied 'bollocks' and it escalated from there because we can't help but antagonise each other. It died down after my mum whatsapped us both telling us to stop.Chameleon said:
It was just mental, seeing a Dad go in and savage his daughter's views, then her close friends joined in... on the Dad's side. Fuck me.madasafish said:
The abuse she got is no doubt from the kind of people who deprecate bullying of any sort and take up the cause of the oppressed....but when their political views are challenged..Chameleon said:
I posted earlier about a girl (18) that shared something.Jason said:
Agreed, but you don't expect it from members of your own family. She's learnt a harsh lesson today about human nature and the pack mentality.RobD said:
Lefties are the worstJason said:My partner inadvertently shared a pic of the 'Proud to vote for Theresa May' on FB, so of course the same ad appeared on her page.
Guess what? She's started receiving abuse from members of her own family - including her sister. It's upset her, and I'm furious.
I need to cool down before I do something I regret.
The first response was from her *Dad*:
'Maybe one day you'll have a genuine thought of your own [name]... being influenced by new money shallow individuals is no excuse... don't be mislead! We'll get it from the magic money tree of course... take from the rich and divide it up fairly... get a conscience... there is a better way than greed.'
She's now been attacked by 5 or 6 different people and has had to post this:
'This is getting seriously out of hand. Everyone just calm down. Take a deep breath. And now fuck off and vote for whoever the hell you want! It's nobody else's business anyway!!!!!!'.
Wasn't anywhere near as vitriolic as with that girl's debate with her dad, to be clear!0 -
Because most voters haven't heard of VenezuelaFrancisUrquhart said:HOw the Tories didn't point to jezza, to his manifesto and then what is going on in Venezuela I have no idea.
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Very common. I knew a guy who was a member of the Labour Club for the pool tables, and the Conservative Club for the snooker. Indeed, it's common for members not to vote for the particular party - they can just be a nice quiet place for a drink (particularly where other pubs are rather rowdy).kle4 said:In my town the Conservative Club and the Labour Club were practically on the same street (the Labour one was opposite the T junction road which Conservative club is on), which I always found amusing for some reason, as I imagined people moving from one to the other on a club crawl.
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Jack went for a 102 Tory Majority.RepublicanTory said:
What did Jack W end up forecasting -i missed his prognosis?rural_voter said:Stark_Dawning said:
Theresa May's an interesting one. In Maidenhead, the Lib Dems were snapping at the Tories' heels until Dave detoxified the brand and it was heavily Remain. May has embraced hard Brexit and has turned her back on Dave's reforms. She might be toast.Big_G_NorthWales said:Does anyone agree with me that we could have all kinds of strange declarations tonight throughout the whole Country
And will Nicola Sturgeon and even Theresa May survive
Betting on the big picture, I'll be extremely happy if Alastair M or Jack W's forecasts come true.
I hope the declarations aren't 'excessively fascinating'. 10s-100s of gains and losses either way makes me nervous of some constituency bets.
I'm a bit confused why John Redwood is safe in Wokingham, a Remain seat, and TMay isn't safe in Maidenhead, a Remain seat in the same county.0 -
anyone getting pre-10pm nerves. gut says tory majority nailed on. but still have that nagging doubt of uncertainty that we could get a shock result. tick tock0
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Well my neighbour is a lifelong Labour voter and is going Tory this time. A sample size of one, or half a dozen, doesn't mean a jot.Chameleon said:
Yes, it's all anecdotal, I never denied that. I mean we are at a place where some pollsters seem to be changing how they adjust their inputs to get a more favourable output.Jason said:
You should meet my friend, Anne Eque-Dotal. She's full of surprises!Chameleon said:
Among people I've talked to (almost exclusively Tories in 2015 and 40-60) I've got farmers & families going to the LDs and people going to LDs & other minor parties. I'm expecting the grey vote to still turnout, which will keep the seats safe, but the middle-class remain-y Tory vote is splitting.Jason said:
Are you expecting 'quite large falls in the majorities in the safe shires' because you genuinely believe that, or because you want that to happen? On what evidence do you base your assertion on, if any? I'm genuinely intrigued.Chameleon said:
I'm expecting quite large falls in the majorities in the safe shires, splitting to Lab and LD (which is very bad news for the LDs...)Pong said:
That would be hilarious.Stark_Dawning said:
Theresa May's an interesting one. In Maidenhead, the Lib Dems were snapping at the Tories' heels until Dave detoxified the brand and it was heavily Remain. May has embraced hard Brexit and has turned her back on Dave's reforms. She might be toast.Big_G_NorthWales said:Does anyone agree with me that we could have all kinds of strange declarations tonight throughout the whole Country
And will Nicola Sturgeon and even Theresa May survive
TM extending her majority while losing her seat.
It won't happen though.0 -
Maybe they hit it off. Do we know if TravelJunkie was a single female in her 20s?Slackbladder said:
and also traveljunkie isn't here today....ummmmmScott_P said:
Slumming it on another freebie in RomeBeverley_C said:Where is SeanT? Hiding behind the sofa?
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Yes, I remember on the day of the EU referendum I went from a sense of foreboding to being convinced Remain had won by the time polls closed. We won't have any idea for another 5 hours.kle4 said:
Probably, but the reports from the ground are useless as ever they are.RobinWiggs said:Quick check in. Can anyone summarise.... is the Crimson Tide of Youth apparent or not from those on the ground?
Will I be wetting the bed later?0 -
My grandfather didn't speak to his brother for 20 years because of politics.Paristonda said:
I had a brief public debate on FB with my Dad before EUref - I posted something remain supporting, he replied 'bollocks' and it escalated from there because we can't help but antagonise each other. It died down after my mum whatsapped us both telling us to stop.Chameleon said:
It was just mental, seeing a Dad go in and savage his daughter's views, then her close friends joined in... on the Dad's side. Fuck me.madasafish said:
The abuse she got is no doubt from the kind of people who deprecate bullying of any sort and take up the cause of the oppressed....but when their political views are challenged..Chameleon said:
I posted earlier about a girl (18) that shared something.Jason said:
Agreed, but you don't expect it from members of your own family. She's learnt a harsh lesson today about human nature and the pack mentality.RobD said:
Lefties are the worstJason said:My partner inadvertently shared a pic of the 'Proud to vote for Theresa May' on FB, so of course the same ad appeared on her page.
Guess what? She's started receiving abuse from members of her own family - including her sister. It's upset her, and I'm furious.
I need to cool down before I do something I regret.
The first response was from her *Dad*:
'Maybe one day you'll have a genuine thought of your own [name]... being influenced by new money shallow individuals is no excuse... don't be mislead! We'll get it from the magic money tree of course... take from the rich and divide it up fairly... get a conscience... there is a better way than greed.'
She's now been attacked by 5 or 6 different people and has had to post this:
'This is getting seriously out of hand. Everyone just calm down. Take a deep breath. And now fuck off and vote for whoever the hell you want! It's nobody else's business anyway!!!!!!'.
Wasn't anywhere near as vitriolic as with that girl's debate with her dad, to be clear!0 -
Yeah, you always think 'what if this time tomorrow we're talking about PM Corbyn',,,,kjohnw said:anyone getting pre-10pm nerves. gut says tory majority nailed on. but still have that nagging doubt of uncertainty that we could get a shock result. tick tock
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LolDearPB said:
Eton?JonCisBack said:#Kids4Corbyn update
Results of Year 11,12,13 mock election at my son's school
Con: 19 seats
Lab: 6
LD: 0 (!)
Green: 2
UKIP: 2
no idea how they did it, says "seats" not votes, maybe PR or maybe by tutor group FPTP.
Anyway was surprised at the landslide victory for Con...
Comprehensive, albeit an "Outstanding" one apparently. And in rock solid blue Hertford and Stortford0 -
Thank you for the couth welcome, Mr Dancer.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. D, it'd be Sir Desmond.
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Slackbladder said:
Yeah, you always think 'what if this time tomorrow we're talking about PM Corbyn',,,,kjohnw said:anyone getting pre-10pm nerves. gut says tory majority nailed on. but still have that nagging doubt of uncertainty that we could get a shock result. tick tock
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Sorry , I disagree , the Labour campaign in Hallam this election has been far more low key than in 2015 with Oliver Coppard as candidate .kle4 said:
Several models suggest so. The Mail have urged Tories to vote Clegg, but I think he's in real trouble.Bobajob_PB said:Pulpstar said:
Haha probably yes. Anyway my main aim is to save Clegg this election. I think he's in desperate trouble.Bobajob_PB said:Pulpstar said:Another former Lib Dem friend gone off the Corbynite deep end.
Just think, he is saying about you: "another former Lib Dem friend gone off the Tory deep end"
Labour to win Hallam?0 -
Possibly still deciding whether or not to change his mind yet again as regards who to vote for?Beverley_C said:
Where is SeanT? Hiding behind the sofa?Jason said:
SeanT?SandyRentool said:
I imagine that there are quite a few dads who wouldn't mind their daughter's friends joining in with them...Chameleon said:
It was just mental, seeing a Dad go in and savage his daughter's views, then her close friends joined in... on the Dad's side. Fuck me.madasafish said:
The abuse she got is no doubt from the kind of people who deprecate bullying of any sort and take up the cause of the oppressed....but when their political views are challenged..Chameleon said:
I posted earlier about a girl (18) that shared something.Jason said:
Agreed, but you don't expect it from members of your own family. She's learnt a harsh lesson today about human nature and the pack mentality.RobD said:
Lefties are the worstJason said:My partner inadvertently shared a pic of the 'Proud to vote for Theresa May' on FB, so of course the same ad appeared on her page.
Guess what? She's started receiving abuse from members of her own family - including her sister. It's upset her, and I'm furious.
I need to cool down before I do something I regret.
The first response was from her *Dad*:
'Maybe one day you'll have a genuine thought of your own [name]... being influenced by new money shallow individuals is no excuse... don't be mislead! We'll get it from the magic money tree of course... take from the rich and divide it up fairly... get a conscience... there is a better way than greed.'
She's now been attacked by 5 or 6 different people and has had to post this:
'This is getting seriously out of hand. Everyone just calm down. Take a deep breath. And now fuck off and vote for whoever the hell you want! It's nobody else's business anyway!!!!!!'.0 -
From a betting perspective I hope that the exit poll is Con five to ten seats short of a majority, considering it's history underestimating the blue team there should be remarkable value in Con majority then.0
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Just out of curiosity, how would you score your own posts for being one eyee, aggressive and vociferous?Jason said:
Not all Lefties in general, but Corbynistas. I don't see any difference between them and BNP supporters. They are equally one-eyed, aggressive and vociferous in their beliefs. And equally odious. Two sides of the same coin, both sets of supporters deal in extremes.Bobajob_PB said:
Yes, Lefties are evil, unpatriotic, violent scum who can only aspire to all that is good and great about being a Tory. I know this, because I have read it several times, right here on PB.RobD said:
Lefties are the worstJason said:My partner inadvertently shared a pic of the 'Proud to vote for Theresa May' on FB, so of course the same ad appeared on her page.
Guess what? She's started receiving abuse from members of her own family - including her sister. It's upset her, and I'm furious.
I need to cool down before I do something I regret.
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I've been out so you might have covered below but this is an UTTER disgrace. If I was a governor at the school, I'd be raising concerns with the FGB.
https://order-order.com/2017/06/08/hammer-and-sickle-posters-in-primary-school-polling-station-window/0 -
I'd have no idea, I'm just going by gut, which seems as reliable as some of these models will end up proving (I may even have predicted him hanging on, but I don't recall). Do you think it will be close?MarkSenior said:
Sorry , I disagree , the Labour campaign in Hallam this election has been far more low key than in 2015 with Oliver Coppard as candidate .kle4 said:
Several models suggest so. The Mail have urged Tories to vote Clegg, but I think he's in real trouble.Bobajob_PB said:Pulpstar said:
Haha probably yes. Anyway my main aim is to save Clegg this election. I think he's in desperate trouble.Bobajob_PB said:Pulpstar said:Another former Lib Dem friend gone off the Corbynite deep end.
Just think, he is saying about you: "another former Lib Dem friend gone off the Tory deep end"
Labour to win Hallam?0 -
I'm 99% ignorant of how the financial markets work, but....rcs1000 said:Ooohhhh... it looks like Venezuela might have defaulted. That will put the cat among the pigeons, as their hard currency debt is about 5x more than Greece's. (Unless the Chinese rescue them again.)
If TM does get a decent majority, and there's ^ fall out + substantial additional political instability in the US/ME etc over the next few days, does the £ gain - basically by default?
Or is the £ in the firing line if there's a global sell off?0 -
Tories get by on the inner smugness provided by the fact that it isn't the loudest voices that win elections, it's the most votes.DearPB said:
I'm fascinated by when and why Tories first got shy. I know they were a remarked upon phenomenon in 1992 but that was just the first time they were noticed.Chameleon said:I can't help but feel that the rabid corbynistas have drive more shy tories underground.
As an experiment I posted a Conservative banner on Facebook yesterday (I'm not a shy Tory and never have been) and I got about 15 messages - 10 haughtily negative (lots of liberal metropolitan elite friends), 5 viciously aggressively angry. With one genuinely confused as to why it had appeared in her timeline.
How can it be socially unacceptable to share a political view with 45% of the population? Maybe Travel Junkie can enlighten me!
I've tried polite debate on Facebook a couple of times this election and though I've avoided abuse, I've received yards of drivel instead.0 -
Beverley_C said:
Where is SeanT? Hiding behind the sofa?
Chatting to pretty girls with clipboards outside the polling station on Primrose?
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This shit always seem to happen in the same places...Scrapheap_as_was said:I've been out so you might have covered below but this is an UTTER disgrace. If I was a governor at the school, I'd be raising concerns with the FGB.
https://order-order.com/2017/06/08/hammer-and-sickle-posters-in-primary-school-polling-station-window/0
