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Maybe West Yorkshire is one of the areas that won't be so good for the Tories?
Might explain David Herdson's Wakefield depression, and the Morley and Outwood warning flag.0 -
I'm happy. Just booking a long holiday to Tuscany which has two advantages:MarqueeMark said:
It doesn't take much bait cast out to get the po-faced to rise to the surface.... Lighten up. It might be your only chance today....Bobajob_PB said:kle4 said:
Good to see the stereotyping of PB Tories is a ok thoughBobajob_PB said:
It's good to see the PB Tories are keeping up their honourable tradition of stereotyping people.CarlottaVance said:Important info:
https://twitter.com/CDP1882/status/872734101803065345
Scots are drunks and young people sleep all day and are bone idle.
How we larfed.
No stereotyping – it's clear to read from the thread. 'Ha ha, they are all going to play on their computer games and forget to vote – brilliant – we don't want them to vote anyway.' Read it yourself.
1. I'm going to to Tuscany
2. It will make the PB Tories delighted as it fits their stereotype of Londoners!0 -
It doesn't take much. I'm on my third pair of trousers this morning.Jason said:
**Outbreaks of bed wetting over a photograph of school children**Rexel56 said:
Those are kids going into an exam...Pulpstar said:https://twitter.com/FAITH17T4CG/status/872760736879177728
Corbyn Piling up the votes in Walton.0 -
It's the same Martin Lewis. Perhaps he should have said you don't need to *bring* your polling card to vote...SimonStClare said:
The only Martin Lewis I know is the financial journalist - is there another I don't know of ?TheScreamingEagles said:Anecdote from a teller in a seat where Labour should be making gains.
So far had three youngish Corbyn/Labour supporters turn up, who were very upset to learn they couldn't vote because they weren't on the register.
Apparently Martin Lewis had said you don't need a polling card to vote.0 -
It'll be around mid way I feel. Lots of people are extraordinarily enthused by Corbyn, but at the same time people who lean Con that would have voted in 2015, and were politically interested are not voting this time because they can't stomach May, Corbyn, or tim. I expect the youth vote to split very heavily to Lab of the 60 odd percent that vote.Nemtynakht said:I haven't seen that much criticism of 18 - 24 group, just scepticism. Survation thinks that 4 in 5 will turn out to vote. Last election is was approx 44%. Does anyone want to try and argue that it will be closer to Survation than 44% even?
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I'm not sure that came out the way you were intending.Jason said:
**Outbreaks of bed wetting over a photograph of school children**Rexel56 said:
Those are kids going into an exam...Pulpstar said:https://twitter.com/FAITH17T4CG/status/872760736879177728
Corbyn Piling up the votes in Walton.0 -
I assume we are going to hear the word "brisk" rather a lot today
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Somebody..... indeed ten people ...... must have nominated him!Carolus_Rex said:
Why can't he vote for himself?TheValiant said:Just as a point of hope for the bedwetters out there.
I can confirm that Charles Fifield, Conservative candidate in Bootle, will receive at least one vote. I doubt he'll get much more however, especially as he can't vote for himself.
IOncidentally at one stage in my life (70’s) I knew some who was the full-time Tory agent in Liverpool. Told me that once he went behind the then Iron Curtain for a holiday and when they saw ‘political agent’ in his passport he was treated with great courtesy.0 -
They lead very busy lives, unlike the retired and semi-retired. The voting system is completely antiquated. Those are not excuses, but they do explain some of it.felix said:
Respect has to be earned by all of us. the voting record of the young is rather poor and that is inexcusable.Bobajob_PB said:
I couldn't care less. It's just boring. Read down thread the endless posts about young people being idle and addicted to Playstation, afraid of rain etc etc. No wonder there is a societal generational split, if this is the level of respect Millennials get.TheScreamingEagles said:
You know Charlie Peters is Scottish don't you?Bobajob_PB said:
It's good to see the PB Tories are keeping up their honourable tradition of stereotyping people.CarlottaVance said:Important info:
https://twitter.com/CDP1882/status/872734101803065345
Scots are drunks and young people sleep all day and are bone idle.
How we larfed.
I believe Ms Vance also has Scottish heritage
And that well known Scotland hater, Angry Salmond also tweeted it.0 -
But a lot of schools require their 6th formers to wear suits and ties (boys) or equivalent (girls). Which I find weird. When I was a 6th former back in the early 80s you could wear pretty much anything you liked. We dressed like students, now they are expected to look like the office junior.Chameleon said:
Not in state schools, no.Fleet_of_Worlds said:
Do 6th formers (ie voters) still wear uniform? Genuine Q. Looks like a mock election to me.Chameleon said:
School mock election anyone?Pulpstar said:https://twitter.com/FAITH17T4CG/status/872760736879177728
Corbyn Piling up the votes in Walton.
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Labour voters are extraordinarily enthused (I saw three Labour prominent boards in a small East Hampshire town today, which has never happened before in the field of human history) and Conservative voters sullen and depressed.Casino_Royale said:
Not sure if this guy is genuine of a really good parody account.MinnieBannister said:Be afraid. Be very afraid.
New poll update. In my model, 98% turnout for 18-24 year olds electrified by Corbyn and 60% turnout for over 65’s losing faith in May. #GE17 pic.twitter.com/JCwOTuzH9j
— CorbynFan (@CorbynSuperFan) 30 May 2017
Unfortunately, enthusiastic votes made with so much gusto they risk puncturing the ballot paper count just as much as resigned votes made in sorrow.
Corbyn - turning up the volume not increasing it!0 -
As far as I am aware one shared across the mediaTGOHF said:How many different exit polls are we expecting tonight ?
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LOL!TheScreamingEagles said:Anecdote from a teller in a seat where Labour should be making gains.
So far had three youngish Corbyn/Labour supporters turn up, who were very upset to learn they couldn't vote because they weren't on the register.
Apparently Martin Lewis had said you don't need a polling card to vote.0 -
He has declared his address as elsewhere (Weaver Vale). I suppose he might have also bought a house in Bootle and be registered there, but I suspect not.Carolus_Rex said:
Why can't he vote for himself?TheValiant said:Just as a point of hope for the bedwetters out there.
I can confirm that Charles Fifield, Conservative candidate in Bootle, will receive at least one vote. I doubt he'll get much more however, especially as he can't vote for himself.0 -
They do at my son's state grammar school.Chameleon said:
Not in state schools, no.Fleet_of_Worlds said:
Do 6th formers (ie voters) still wear uniform? Genuine Q. Looks like a mock election to me.Chameleon said:
School mock election anyone?Pulpstar said:https://twitter.com/FAITH17T4CG/status/872760736879177728
Corbyn Piling up the votes in Walton.0 -
My wife and I have an informal pact to pool our votes in elections. As we are not identical in our politics, it means sometimes I vote for parties or candidates that I wouldn't otherwise have chosen, but which on discussion seem to be good options. Totally a floating voter. I have voted Labour, Conservative, SNP, Lib Dem and Green at various points. I am lucky to live in the very interesting constituency of Edinburgh South that has been Labour in recent years but which both the SNP and the Lib Dems came within inches of taking; where the Conservatives also are in contention and where the Greens are heavily represented in non-FPTP elections.williamglenn said:
Out of curiosity would you normally have voted Labour? I had you down as a SCON.FF43 said:Welcome on board, Cassandra. I have voted Labour without the worries you have because
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Take your pick -Fleet_of_Worlds said:
It doesn't take much. I'm on my third pair of trousers this morning.Jason said:
**Outbreaks of bed wetting over a photograph of school children**Rexel56 said:
Those are kids going into an exam...Pulpstar said:https://twitter.com/FAITH17T4CG/status/872760736879177728
Corbyn Piling up the votes in Walton.
https://uk.images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?p=photos+of+queues&fr=yfp-t-903&imgurl=http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/08/04/article-1300471-0AB0A1D2000005DC-451_468x286.jpg#id=4&iurl=http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/08/04/article-1300471-0AB0A1D2000005DC-451_468x286.jpg&action=click0 -
OT: The single greatest thing Danish TV has contributed to the world. https://youtu.be/xsPQ8p32itkkingbongo said:In Jyllandsposten my newspaper of choice today is being called the British vippenvalg (seesaw election) because of the polls - pretty good name I thought!
On twitter Paul Mason and George Monbiot seem to have gone all in on bile while Ian Dale provides a great description of what has been a terrible campaign by all sides
Luckioy Danish TV has live coverage so won't have to watch on my ipad0 -
The middle-aged in-work live the busiest lives of the lot usually, not just a career at its most demanding, but usual teenage kids to chauffeur around, and a fullish social calendar but manage to vote substantially more than the youngers. However a lot of them are up by 6am, 18-24 year olds, not so muchBobajob_PB said:
They lead very busy lives, unlike the retired and semi-retired. The voting system is completely antiquated. Those are not excuses, but they do explain some of it.felix said:
Respect has to be earned by all of us. the voting record of the young is rather poor and that is inexcusable.Bobajob_PB said:
I couldn't care less. It's just boring. Read down thread the endless posts about young people being idle and addicted to Playstation, afraid of rain etc etc. No wonder there is a societal generational split, if this is the level of respect Millennials get.TheScreamingEagles said:
You know Charlie Peters is Scottish don't you?Bobajob_PB said:
It's good to see the PB Tories are keeping up their honourable tradition of stereotyping people.CarlottaVance said:Important info:
https://twitter.com/CDP1882/status/872734101803065345
Scots are drunks and young people sleep all day and are bone idle.
How we larfed.
I believe Ms Vance also has Scottish heritage
And that well known Scotland hater, Angry Salmond also tweeted it. 0 -
Is it not suits/chinos and shirts?FeersumEnjineeya said:
They do at my son's state grammar school.Chameleon said:
Not in state schools, no.Fleet_of_Worlds said:
Do 6th formers (ie voters) still wear uniform? Genuine Q. Looks like a mock election to me.Chameleon said:
School mock election anyone?Pulpstar said:https://twitter.com/FAITH17T4CG/status/872760736879177728
Corbyn Piling up the votes in Walton.0 -
Well this provincial PB Tory is going to Tuscany too. Make of that what you will.Bobajob_PB said:
I'm happy. Just booking a long holiday to Tuscany which has two advantages:MarqueeMark said:
It doesn't take much bait cast out to get the po-faced to rise to the surface.... Lighten up. It might be your only chance today....Bobajob_PB said:kle4 said:
Good to see the stereotyping of PB Tories is a ok thoughBobajob_PB said:
It's good to see the PB Tories are keeping up their honourable tradition of stereotyping people.CarlottaVance said:Important info:
https://twitter.com/CDP1882/status/872734101803065345
Scots are drunks and young people sleep all day and are bone idle.
How we larfed.
No stereotyping – it's clear to read from the thread. 'Ha ha, they are all going to play on their computer games and forget to vote – brilliant – we don't want them to vote anyway.' Read it yourself.
1. I'm going to to Tuscany
2. It will make the PB Tories delighted as it fits their stereotype of Londoners!0 -
Merseyside will be rock solid Labour. Only one I think might go CON is Wirral West - and even I'm wobbling on that one.kle4 said:
They don't need to be told to keep left in Walton, such subliminal messages are unnecessarykjohnw said:
please keep to the left, seems quite a subliminal message therePulpstar said:https://twitter.com/FAITH17T4CG/status/872760736879177728
Corbyn Piling up the votes in Walton.0 -
Yes, we will hear a lot of stories like this today. No doubt the young will blame everyone else, as ever.rottenborough said:
You don't, but you do need to be registered.TheScreamingEagles said:Anecdote from a teller in a seat where Labour should be making gains.
So far had three youngish Corbyn/Labour supporters turn up, who were very upset to learn they couldn't vote because they weren't on the register.
Apparently Martin Lewis had said you don't need a polling card to vote.0 -
For Bobajob_PB: Maybe we should make people's voter registration number the go-to piece of data that the NI number is now? Make it essentially vital to be registered to function in society.TheScreamingEagles said:Anecdote from a teller in a seat where Labour should be making gains.
So far had three youngish Corbyn/Labour supporters turn up, who were very upset to learn they couldn't vote because they weren't on the register.
I think everyone should be on the register. Then at least we haven't got this farce of wanting to vote but can't that, frankly, we get at every election. Everyone should have the opportunity - but they can decide not to vote. (I don't favour the Aussie method of compulsion.)0 -
Not sure I agree with that. The local state comp here (which is excellent) insists on 'smart business wear' for sixth formers. They have some freedom – boys can choose a suit and tie of their liking (it's not a uniform) and the girls can wear a dress/smart trousers etc. The school has a good disciplinary record and a business focus – makes the children ready for the workplace. No harm in that.Carolus_Rex said:
But a lot of schools require their 6th formers to wear suits and ties (boys) or equivalent (girls). Which I find weird. When I was a 6th former back in the early 80s you could wear pretty much anything you liked. We dressed like students, now they are expected to look like the office junior.Chameleon said:
Not in state schools, no.Fleet_of_Worlds said:
Do 6th formers (ie voters) still wear uniform? Genuine Q. Looks like a mock election to me.Chameleon said:
School mock election anyone?Pulpstar said:https://twitter.com/FAITH17T4CG/status/872760736879177728
Corbyn Piling up the votes in Walton.0 -
Follow the twitter to the twitter feed and its clear that's it a school mock election.Carolus_Rex said:
But a lot of schools require their 6th formers to wear suits and ties (boys) or equivalent (girls). Which I find weird. When I was a 6th former back in the early 80s you could wear pretty much anything you liked. We dressed like students, now they are expected to look like the office junior.Chameleon said:
Not in state schools, no.Fleet_of_Worlds said:
Do 6th formers (ie voters) still wear uniform? Genuine Q. Looks like a mock election to me.Chameleon said:
School mock election anyone?Pulpstar said:https://twitter.com/FAITH17T4CG/status/872760736879177728
Corbyn Piling up the votes in Walton.
As for sixth form uniform the 6th form college is wear what you want the one local school with a sixth requires boys to wear a jacket, girls need to be smart and mainly black or white...
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Mr. Bobajob, myself, Mr. kle4 and others regularly discuss computer games. Indeed, I grow tired of those who look down on people into videogames.0
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A 12 oz schooner.rottenborough said:
I believe Newcastle Brown was traditionally served in a half pint glass.dyedwoolie said:
I had a bottle of beer in a half pint glass once. Felt like a right twatTheScreamingEagles said:
http://www.bruguru.com/newcastlebrown.gif
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Precisely- The problem is disengagement, and while I don't support Corbyn and think his policy was a blatant piece of electioneering (not that he's alone there) I would be pleased if more young people voted as a result, and all parties do need to pitch to the young. The idea you care enough to vote but only if you can by phone and if not you won't bother, would definitely be saying you are lazy and idle.Chameleon said:
We're disengaged. Corbyn has at the very least made a pitch to us (and a very tempting one at that), whereas I'm not sure May even knows that we exist.kle4 said:
I'm technically a millennial - and the fact is my generation and the one below it do not vote anywhere near as much as others. I hope that changes, even if it means votes for Corbyn, but if someone is making the argument that those people would vote if they could do so online, then how else but lazy and idle could that be described (and that is what prompted much of the comments, that specific issue)?Bobajob_PB said:
I couldn't care less. It's just boring. Read down thread the endless posts about young people being idle and addicted to Playstation, afraid of rain etc etc. No wonder there is a societal generational split, if this is the level of respect Millennials get.TheScreamingEagles said:
You know Charlie Peters is Scottish don't you?Bobajob_PB said:
It's good to see the PB Tories are keeping up their honourable tradition of stereotyping people.CarlottaVance said:Important info:
https://twitter.com/CDP1882/status/872734101803065345
Scots are drunks and young people sleep all day and are bone idle.
How we larfed.
I believe Ms Vance also has Scottish heritage
And that well known Scotland hater, Angry Salmond also tweeted it.
Now, if the argument is the young are less engaged with, not appealed to enough, that is something else, that is them not wanting to vote - in which case the problem is not idleness and the solution is the Corbyn approach of appealing to them more. But fact it some were making the argument the young would vote more if they could do so online rather than a short journey to do so in person, and I find that pretty insulting to young people, frankly. I'd rather believe they are disengaged and we should do something about that, than that they are lazy.
The only policy really relevant to young people that I've heard has been the tuition fees from Labour, I'm not aware of a single other policy regarding young people.
But pointing out the young don't vote much, in recent decades, is fact, not shameful stereotyping. Being pleased at that, because it is fewer Labour votes, might be regarded as partisan, but we're free to make fun of those who vote and those who do not vote.0 -
Alsop High School possibly?Chameleon said:
School mock election anyone?Pulpstar said:https://twitter.com/FAITH17T4CG/status/872760736879177728
Corbyn Piling up the votes in Walton.0 -
A very good idea. Yes, that makes great sense.MarqueeMark said:
For Bobajob_PB: Maybe we should make people's voter registration number the go-to piece of data that the NI number is now? Make it essentially vital to be registered to function in society.TheScreamingEagles said:Anecdote from a teller in a seat where Labour should be making gains.
So far had three youngish Corbyn/Labour supporters turn up, who were very upset to learn they couldn't vote because they weren't on the register.
I think everyone should be on the register. Then at least we haven't got this farce of wanting to vote but can't that, frankly, we get at every election. Everyone should have the opportunity - but they can decide not to vote. (I don't favour the Aussie method of compulsion.)0 -
I was in the sixth form at the local comp in the early 80's and wore a suit, for two years before sweatshirt and jeans at uni for the next fourCarolus_Rex said:
But a lot of schools require their 6th formers to wear suits and ties (boys) or equivalent (girls). Which I find weird. When I was a 6th former back in the early 80s you could wear pretty much anything you liked. We dressed like students, now they are expected to look like the office junior.Chameleon said:
Not in state schools, no.Fleet_of_Worlds said:
Do 6th formers (ie voters) still wear uniform? Genuine Q. Looks like a mock election to me.Chameleon said:
School mock election anyone?Pulpstar said:https://twitter.com/FAITH17T4CG/status/872760736879177728
Corbyn Piling up the votes in Walton.
Professionally I have always favoured a suit even when not required, I like the twin benefits of not having to think first thing in the morning, just the next shirt of the rank and the suit, and more importantly the feeling of taking the suit off when you get home, and with it your work mindset which you leave parked until you put the suit back on again... now I have to wear a "barong" when going formal, which I still havent got used to.0 -
Bollocks and you totally know it.Bobajob_PB said:
They lead very busy lives, unlike the retired and semi-retired. The voting system is completely antiquated. Those are not excuses, but they do explain some of it.felix said:
Respect has to be earned by all of us. the voting record of the young is rather poor and that is inexcusable.Bobajob_PB said:
I couldn't care less. It's just boring. Read down thread the endless posts about young people being idle and addicted to Playstation, afraid of rain etc etc. No wonder there is a societal generational split, if this is the level of respect Millennials get.TheScreamingEagles said:
You know Charlie Peters is Scottish don't you?Bobajob_PB said:
It's good to see the PB Tories are keeping up their honourable tradition of stereotyping people.CarlottaVance said:Important info:
https://twitter.com/CDP1882/status/872734101803065345
Scots are drunks and young people sleep all day and are bone idle.
How we larfed.
I believe Ms Vance also has Scottish heritage
And that well known Scotland hater, Angry Salmond also tweeted it.0 -
https://twitter.com/jackturnerphoto/status/872720247924682752
A man's got to do what a man's got to do.0 -
Mr. Royale, Wakefield was on the news the other day as a potential unexpectedly good Conservative area.
Morley & Outwood appears to be an outlier, but it'll also take bloody ages to declare so I don't think anyone will be led astray by its potentially out-of-kilter result.
My feeling presently is a Jenkyns hold. May be wrong. But there we are.0 -
You don't need to bring your polling card, i think he would have meant.TheScreamingEagles said:Anecdote from a teller in a seat where Labour should be making gains.
So far had three youngish Corbyn/Labour supporters turn up, who were very upset to learn they couldn't vote because they weren't on the register.
Apparently Martin Lewis had said you don't need a polling card to vote.0 -
As I recall NickPalmer was recommending Endless Space 2 only last night. I believe the average gamer is now in their mid 30s - they grew up playing games, and they are a more fruitful market to pitch to, as they don't have to ask their parents to buy games for them.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Bobajob, myself, Mr. kle4 and others regularly discuss computer games. Indeed, I grow tired of those who look down on people into videogames.
I've a day off, I think I might play some Doom, then start another run of Pillars of Eternity, then some relaxing XCOM20 -
To be blunt, the reason why the young don't vote is because usually the major parties just give us a choice of how we want to be shafted, and while this is going on the conservatives (among others...) are shoving humungous bungs of money towards those that will probably have passed away before the full ramifications of their votes are felt.felix said:
Respect has to be earned by all of us. the voting record of the young is rather poor and that is inexcusable.Bobajob_PB said:
I couldn't care less. It's just boring. Read down thread the endless posts about young people being idle and addicted to Playstation, afraid of rain etc etc. No wonder there is a societal generational split, if this is the level of respect Millennials get.TheScreamingEagles said:
You know Charlie Peters is Scottish don't you?Bobajob_PB said:
It's good to see the PB Tories are keeping up their honourable tradition of stereotyping people.CarlottaVance said:Important info:
https://twitter.com/CDP1882/status/872734101803065345
Scots are drunks and young people sleep all day and are bone idle.
How we larfed.
I believe Ms Vance also has Scottish heritage
And that well known Scotland hater, Angry Salmond also tweeted it.
How is this meant to encourage us to vote?0 -
So final poll in from all ten companies, except Orb apparently. Mean Con lead is 7.50
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And the Customs Union. Which would render the whole exercise slightly pointless, excepting a bit of CAP/CFP freedom I suppose.TOPPING said:
Lab's plan for Brexit is staying in the single market and unlimited immigration.FF43 said:
Actually what I was saying is that it doesn't matter hugely who is leader after today because the key thing is Brexit.TOPPING said:
Another one blaming the Cons for the UK's vote to leave the EU when their leader was a Remainer, while Jezza was (and is) a Leaver.FF43 said:
Welcome on board, Cassandra. I have voted Labour without the worries you have because:Cassandra2017 said:I don’t currently bet and I’m not nearly as interested in the details of politics as many of the people on this site. Nonetheless, I occasionally visit because comments here are often more astute than most paid media political columnists can manage. Also funnier.
Which brings up the obvious question – the Mrs Merton question: “So Jeremy Corbyn (admirer of Lenin and Trotskncy in which the government will assume draconian powers, future elections will be cancelled and opposition will be outlawed, leaving you in power indefinitely? No, no don’t tell me...I’ll get it in a minute...um...oh...ah...now I get it...damn”
Many people will vote Labour with good intentions. But I’m struggling to find a metaphor in which someone shoots themselves and their family and friends in the head with good intentions. Corbyn et al have made clear their intentions throughout their political careers. Over the years I’ve voted Tory, Labour and none-of-the above. Usually I’ve thought it didn’t matter a great deal one way or another. This time it does. If you vote Labour and Corbyn forms a government, there’s a good chance you’ll regret it. “Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow. But soon. And for the rest of your life”.
The Conservatives have no meaningful plan for Brexit. To the extent they can mitigate the damage they are not going to do so, unless something unexpected happens. Labour have a slightly better approach to Brexit in fact, although it hasn't really been tested.
I can't see that not causing trouble although the UK being what it is, perhaps they will get away with it.
I must say (partisan mode on) it's nice being on the same side as you once more!0 -
Lots of pleasant geeks on this forum so I would like one to tell me tomorrow, how many Labour constituencies I drive through from Hendon to Hamilton (south Glasgow) via M1, M6 toll, & M74.0
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Maybe. Have and Eat it Brexit is the Conservatives' version of the Magic Money Tree. Not going to happen, any more than all the goodies promised by Labour. It will be don't have it and don't eat it Brexit along with loads of cuts.TOPPING said:
Lab's plan for Brexit is staying in the single market and unlimited immigration.FF43 said:
Actually what I was saying is that it doesn't matter hugely who is leader after today because the key thing is Brexit.TOPPING said:
Another one blaming the Cons for the UK's vote to leave the EU when their leader was a Remainer, while Jezza was (and is) a Leaver.FF43 said:
Welcome on board, Cassandra. I have voted Labour without the worries you have because:
A. Corbyn won't win.
B. In the remote chance (less than 1 in 30) that he does, he will be heavily constrained.
C. The shooting in the head has already happened with the Brexit vote. None of the parties know what they are doing as far as Brexit is concerned. The economy will be permanently damaged by it (if we are lucky, not massively so). In particular public finances will be very heavily squeezed. There will be no bribes, but there will worse public service provision and higher taxation. That applies to whichever party gets to power. It will all be about cuts.
The Conservatives have no meaningful plan for Brexit. To the extent they can mitigate the damage they are not going to do so, unless something unexpected happens. Labour have a slightly better approach to Brexit in fact, although it hasn't really been tested.
I can't see that not causing trouble although the UK being what it is, perhaps they will get away with it.0 -
It's a bit harsh to dismiss Tom Newton Dunn that way?Fleet_of_Worlds said:
I see we've reached the point where smug insiders post cryptic nonsense on their twitter feeds about what other insiders have told themSlackbladder said:Tom Newton Dunn @tnewtondunn
Senior Labour source: "I can't decide whether it's the end of the beginning, or the beginning of the end" #GE2017
I do think Labour are in for a roasting. Britain won't elect a loony leftie to No. 10. Period.
Bet you the Labour vote is overstated in every single opinion poll.0 -
The Millennial generation is a bigger cohort than the Baby Boom and indeed Generation X (which is slender compared to its two rivals). So we should bloody well start treating the Millennial generation seriously rather than stereotyping it and slating it. They were born into a very different world to the Xers and Boomers, yet still society is organised around the worldview and experiences of the latter.kle4 said:
SNIPChameleon said:
We're disengaged. Corbyn has at the very least made a pitch to us (and a very tempting one at that), whereas I'm not sure May even knows that we exist.kle4 said:
I'm technically a millennial - and the fact is my generation and the one below it do not vote anywhere near as much as others. I hope that changes, even if it means votes for Corbyn, but if someone is making the argument that those people would vote if they could do so online, then how else but lazy and idle could that be described (and that is what prompted much of the comments, that specific issue)?Bobajob_PB said:
I couldn't care less. It's just boring. Read down thread the endless posts about young people being idle and addicted to Playstation, afraid of rain etc etc. No wonder there is a societal generational split, if this is the level of respect Millennials get.TheScreamingEagles said:
You know Charlie Peters is Scottish don't you?Bobajob_PB said:
It's good to see the PB Tories are keeping up their honourable tradition of stereotyping people.CarlottaVance said:Important info:
https://twitter.com/CDP1882/status/872734101803065345
Scots are drunks and young people sleep all day and are bone idle.
How we larfed.
I believe Ms Vance also has Scottish heritage
And that well known Scotland hater, Angry Salmond also tweeted it.
Now, if the argument is the young are less engaged with, not appealed to enough, that is something else, that is them not wanting to vote - in which case the problem is not idleness and the solution is the Corbyn approach of appealing to them more. But fact it some were making the argument the young would vote more if they could do so online rather than a short journey to do so in person, and I find that pretty insulting to young people, frankly. I'd rather believe they are disengaged and we should do something about that, than that they are lazy.
The only policy really relevant to young people that I've heard has been the tuition fees from Labour, I'm not aware of a single other policy regarding young people.0 -
I'm with you on that. When I was in sixth form we had no uniform, but the Catholic school across the road had them wear suits. Our school also went down to polo shirts, no ties, which I disliked, and now the other secondaries have all pupils, not just sixth formers, wearing suit style uniforms, so my dear school look like a bunch of scruffs.AlsoIndigo said:
I was in the sixth form in the early 80's and wore a suit, for two years before sweatshirt and jeans at uni for the next fourCarolus_Rex said:
But a lot of schools require their 6th formers to wear suits and ties (boys) or equivalent (girls). Which I find weird. When I was a 6th former back in the early 80s you could wear pretty much anything you liked. We dressed like students, now they are expected to look like the office junior.Chameleon said:
Not in state schools, no.Fleet_of_Worlds said:
Do 6th formers (ie voters) still wear uniform? Genuine Q. Looks like a mock election to me.Chameleon said:
School mock election anyone?Pulpstar said:https://twitter.com/FAITH17T4CG/status/872760736879177728
Corbyn Piling up the votes in Walton.
Professionally I have always favoured a suit even when not required, I like the twin benefits of not having to think first thing in the morning, just the next shirt of the rank and the suit, and more importantly the feeling of taking the suit off when you get home, and with it your work mindset which you leave parked until you put the suit back on again.0 -
And there was me about to get on with some work... will now spend three hours poring over my album collection..mwadams said:
OT: The single greatest thing Danish TV has contributed to the world. https://youtu.be/xsPQ8p32itkkingbongo said:In Jyllandsposten my newspaper of choice today is being called the British vippenvalg (seesaw election) because of the polls - pretty good name I thought!
On twitter Paul Mason and George Monbiot seem to have gone all in on bile while Ian Dale provides a great description of what has been a terrible campaign by all sides
Luckioy Danish TV has live coverage so won't have to watch on my ipad0 -
Casino_Royale said:
And the Customs Union. Which would render the whole exercise slightly pointless, excepting a bit of CAP/CFP freedom I suppose.TOPPING said:
Lab's plan for Brexit is staying in the single market and unlimited immigration.FF43 said:
Actually what I was saying is that it doesn't matter hugely who is leader after today because the key thing is Brexit.TOPPING said:
Another one blaming the Cons for the UK's vote to leave the EU when their leader was a Remainer, while Jezza was (and is) a Leaver.FF43 said:
Welcome on board, Cassandra. I have voted Labour without the worries you have because:Cassandra2017 said:I don’t currently bet and I’m not nearly as interested in the details of politics as many of the people on this site. Nonetheless, I occasionally visit because comments here are often more astute than most paid media political columnists can manage. Also funnier.
Which brings up the obvious question – the Mrs Merton question: “So Jeremy Corbyn (admirer of Lenin and Trotskncy in which the government will assume draconian powers, future elections will be cancelled and opposition will be outlawed, leaving you in power indefinitely? No, no don’t tell me...I’ll get it in a minute...um...oh...ah...now I get it...damn”
Many people will vote Labour with good intentions. But I’m struggling to find a metaphor in which someone shoots themselves and their family and friends in the head with good intentions. Corbyn et al have made clear their intentions throughout their political careers. Over the years I’ve voted Tory, Labour and none-of-the above. Usually I’ve thought it didn’t matter a great deal one way or another. This time it does. If you vote Labour and Corbyn forms a government, there’s a good chance you’ll regret it. “Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow. But soon. And for the rest of your life”.
The Conservatives have no meaningful plan for Brexit. To the extent they can mitigate the damage they are not going to do so, unless something unexpected happens. Labour have a slightly better approach to Brexit in fact, although it hasn't really been tested.
I can't see that not causing trouble although the UK being what it is, perhaps they will get away with it.
I must say (partisan mode on) it's nice being on the same side as you once more! 0 -
There's a lot of it about, though. If you've got intel, share it. If it sounds like something uttered by the Oracle of Delphi, don't bother.JennyFreeman said:
It's a bit harsh to dismiss Tom Newton Dunn that way?Fleet_of_Worlds said:
I see we've reached the point where smug insiders post cryptic nonsense on their twitter feeds about what other insiders have told themSlackbladder said:Tom Newton Dunn @tnewtondunn
Senior Labour source: "I can't decide whether it's the end of the beginning, or the beginning of the end" #GE2017
I do think Labour are in for a roasting. Britain won't elect a loony leftie to No. 10. Period.
Bet you the Labour vote is overstated in every single opinion poll.0 -
Paul Mason will be a site to behold tonight - hopefully - I still have soggy sheets but am hoping they will have dried out when when we hear the exit poll 0
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I voted this morning without my polling card. My wife had tidied up so I was unable to find anything.HaroldO said:
You don't need to bring your polling card, i think he would have meant.TheScreamingEagles said:Anecdote from a teller in a seat where Labour should be making gains.
So far had three youngish Corbyn/Labour supporters turn up, who were very upset to learn they couldn't vote because they weren't on the register.
Apparently Martin Lewis had said you don't need a polling card to vote.0 -
The polls have hearded. Not on the headline figure but on the best PM figure. They are all showing a 10-13% lead on best PM. Even Survation with 1% tory lead is showing a Best PM lead of 15%!Casino_Royale said:
Have they herded changed their methodology as well?TheScreamingEagles said:Final @IpsosMORI poll
Con 44 (-1) Lab 36 (-4) LD 7 (nc) UKIP 4 (+2) SNP 5 (+2) Grn 2 (nc)
https://twitter.com/benatipsosmori/status/872758791657410560
https://twitter.com/benatipsosmori/status/872759722394488832
Anyone know what was the avreage of the best PM lead of the polls on polling day 2015?0 -
Corbyn - turning up the volume not increasing it!Nemtynakht said:
Labour voters are extraordinarily enthused (I saw three Labour prominent boards in a small East Hampshire town today, which has never happened before in the field of human history) and Conservative voters sullen and depressed.Casino_Royale said:
Not sure if this guy is genuine of a really good parody account.MinnieBannister said:Be afraid. Be very afraid.
New poll update. In my model, 98% turnout for 18-24 year olds electrified by Corbyn and 60% turnout for over 65’s losing faith in May. #GE17 pic.twitter.com/JCwOTuzH9j
— CorbynFan (@CorbynSuperFan) 30 May 2017
Unfortunately, enthusiastic votes made with so much gusto they risk puncturing the ballot paper count just as much as resigned votes made in sorrow.
The Communist is here to stay and HE'S TURNING UP THE VOLUME!0 -
A fair point!!Chameleon said:
To be blunt, the reason why the young don't vote is because usually the major parties just give us a choice of how we want to be shafted, and while this is going on the conservatives (among others...) are shoving humungous bungs of money towards those that will probably have passed away before the full ramifications of their votes are felt.felix said:
Respect has to be earned by all of us. the voting record of the young is rather poor and that is inexcusable.Bobajob_PB said:
I couldn't care less. It's just boring. Read down thread the endless posts about young people being idle and addicted to Playstation, afraid of rain etc etc. No wonder there is a societal generational split, if this is the level of respect Millennials get.TheScreamingEagles said:
You know Charlie Peters is Scottish don't you?Bobajob_PB said:
It's good to see the PB Tories are keeping up their honourable tradition of stereotyping people.CarlottaVance said:Important info:
https://twitter.com/CDP1882/status/872734101803065345
Scots are drunks and young people sleep all day and are bone idle.
How we larfed.
I believe Ms Vance also has Scottish heritage
And that well known Scotland hater, Angry Salmond also tweeted it.
How is this meant to encourage us to vote?0 -
I think the problem for all pollsters is that Corbyn is not a UNS politician. Whereas Theresa May is a bit meh, Corbyn is truly marmite.
If your politics are those that don't care about character and association with Terrorists, or you can convince yourself that the motives were pure, and if you can get around the decimation of our defence / security services and industries that would happen, or if you can suspend disbelief regarding the fact that the forecasts for income on Labours tax plans are ropey, then Corbyn is a great campaigner who says a lot of motherhood and apple pie slogans. More money for NHS hurrah! MOre money for schools hurrah! No student fees hurrah! It's all costed in this 5 page pamphlet hurray!
The number of memes I have seen on Facebook of evil Tories did this messiah Jezza will increase spending have been too numerous to count.
The big question is will this deliver actual votes in the constituencies that matter, or will it deliver fantastic results for safe labour seats and improving distant second places across the south? 10 hours until we find out.0 -
More or less the same for the schools around here.Bobajob_PB said:
Not sure I agree with that. The local state comp here (which is excellent) insists on 'smart business wear' for sixth formers. They have some freedom – boys can choose a suit and tie of their liking (it's not a uniform) and the girls can wear a dress/smart trousers etc. The school has a good disciplinary record and a business focus – makes the children ready for the workplace. No harm in that.Carolus_Rex said:
But a lot of schools require their 6th formers to wear suits and ties (boys) or equivalent (girls). Which I find weird. When I was a 6th former back in the early 80s you could wear pretty much anything you liked. We dressed like students, now they are expected to look like the office junior.Chameleon said:
Not in state schools, no.Fleet_of_Worlds said:
Do 6th formers (ie voters) still wear uniform? Genuine Q. Looks like a mock election to me.Chameleon said:
School mock election anyone?Pulpstar said:https://twitter.com/FAITH17T4CG/status/872760736879177728
Corbyn Piling up the votes in Walton.
I didn't say there was any harm in it. I don't think there is although I am not sure it does much good either. It just seems odd to tell students to wear business attire for a couple of years until they go to uni (which is what the schools encourage them to do of course) where they can wear whatever they want.
I might add that the disciplinary records of the schools I'm talking about are atrocious!0 -
Ben Page, Ipsos MORIVerified account @benatipsosmori 5m5 minutes ago
Labour's projected 36% share (up 5% on 2015) depends on heavy support from under 34s..will they turn out today?
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My twenty-something grandchildren (and granddaughter-in-law-to-be) lead busy lives; they’re teachers with loads of marking and preparation. G-i-l-t-b also has to turn up when the A & O level results come in to help advise her students. Yes she’s done it before the exams, but when they’ve actually got their results things can change.felix said:
Bollocks and you totally know it.Bobajob_PB said:
They lead very busy lives, unlike the retired and semi-retired. The voting system is completely antiquated. Those are not excuses, but they do explain some of it.felix said:
Respect has to be earned by all of us. the voting record of the young is rather poor and that is inexcusable.Bobajob_PB said:
I couldn't care less. It's just boring. Read down thread the endless posts about young people being idle and addicted to Playstation, afraid of rain etc etc. No wonder there is a societal generational split, if this is the level of respect Millennials get.TheScreamingEagles said:
You know Charlie Peters is Scottish don't you?Bobajob_PB said:
It's good to see the PB Tories are keeping up their honourable tradition of stereotyping people.CarlottaVance said:Important info:
https://twitter.com/CDP1882/status/872734101803065345
Scots are drunks and young people sleep all day and are bone idle.
How we larfed.
I believe Ms Vance also has Scottish heritage
And that well known Scotland hater, Angry Salmond also tweeted it.0 -
You say shafted, we say living in the real world.Chameleon said:
To be blunt, the reason why the young don't vote is because usually the major parties just give us a choice of how we want to be shafted, and while this is going on the conservatives (among others...) are shoving humungous bungs of money towards those that will probably have passed away before the full ramifications of their votes are felt.felix said:
Respect has to be earned by all of us. the voting record of the young is rather poor and that is inexcusable.Bobajob_PB said:
I couldn't care less. It's just boring. Read down thread the endless posts about young people being idle and addicted to Playstation, afraid of rain etc etc. No wonder there is a societal generational split, if this is the level of respect Millennials get.TheScreamingEagles said:
You know Charlie Peters is Scottish don't you?Bobajob_PB said:
It's good to see the PB Tories are keeping up their honourable tradition of stereotyping people.CarlottaVance said:Important info:
https://twitter.com/CDP1882/status/872734101803065345
Scots are drunks and young people sleep all day and are bone idle.
How we larfed.
I believe Ms Vance also has Scottish heritage
And that well known Scotland hater, Angry Salmond also tweeted it.
How is this meant to encourage us to vote?0 -
http://www.aiimi.com/aiimi-blogs/aiimi-analyses-uk-general-election-live-blog-ge2017
This should be good for a laugh, early predictions of results.0 -
Just visited the principal fish website and I don't think the data is that accurate. They have a UKIP candidate in my constituency where there was none.0
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Job done.kingbongo said:
And there was me about to get on with some work... will now spend three hours poring over my album collection..mwadams said:
OT: The single greatest thing Danish TV has contributed to the world. https://youtu.be/xsPQ8p32itkkingbongo said:In Jyllandsposten my newspaper of choice today is being called the British vippenvalg (seesaw election) because of the polls - pretty good name I thought!
On twitter Paul Mason and George Monbiot seem to have gone all in on bile while Ian Dale provides a great description of what has been a terrible campaign by all sides
Luckioy Danish TV has live coverage so won't have to watch on my ipad0 -
Personally, fairly relaxed. Hoping for CON reduced majority as it will kill off the grammar school proposals, mean a softer Brexit and ensure continuity of fiscal and monetary policies... here in Skipton and Ripon the weather couldn't be much more shite and any surge in youth vote will be young farmers increasing Julian Smith's majority even higher... the local activists are all over the border in Lancaster where there is a ferocious students vs brexiteers contest deciding the fate of Cat SmithJason said:
**Outbreaks of bed wetting over a photograph of school children**Rexel56 said:
Those are kids going into an exam...Pulpstar said:https://twitter.com/FAITH17T4CG/status/872760736879177728
Corbyn Piling up the votes in Walton.0 -
The young led busy lives in the past, with the same voting system (and fewer opportunities to use a proxy or postal vote if they might struggle to vote on the day) and still voted at much more similar levels as everyone else. And students generally vote, as do people with full time jobs, young children, and many many others.Bobajob_PB said:
They lead very busy lives, unlike the retired and semi-retired. The voting system is completely antiquated. Those are not excuses, but they do explain some of it.felix said:
Respect has to be earned by all of us. the voting record of the young is rather poor and that is inexcusable.Bobajob_PB said:
I couldn't care less. It's just boring. Read down thread the endless posts about young people being idle and addicted to Playstation, afraid of rain etc etc. No wonder there is a societal generational split, if this is the level of respect Millennials get.TheScreamingEagles said:
You know Charlie Peters is Scottish don't you?Bobajob_PB said:
It's good to see the PB Tories are keeping up their honourable tradition of stereotyping people.CarlottaVance said:Important info:
https://twitter.com/CDP1882/status/872734101803065345
Scots are drunks and young people sleep all day and are bone idle.
How we larfed.
I believe Ms Vance also has Scottish heritage
And that well known Scotland hater, Angry Salmond also tweeted it.
The problem is not enough want to vote. Corbyn has tried to address that at least.0 -
Why so? (I want to know because I've mislaid mine.)TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Crickey...jonny83 said:Ben Page, Ipsos MORIVerified account @benatipsosmori 5m5 minutes ago
Labour's projected 36% share (up 5% on 2015) depends on heavy support from under 34s..will they turn out today?0 -
Woman's Equality?Bobajob_PB said:
I voted this morning without my polling card. My wife had tidied up so I was unable to find anything.HaroldO said:
You don't need to bring your polling card, i think he would have meant.TheScreamingEagles said:Anecdote from a teller in a seat where Labour should be making gains.
So far had three youngish Corbyn/Labour supporters turn up, who were very upset to learn they couldn't vote because they weren't on the register.
Apparently Martin Lewis had said you don't need a polling card to vote.0 -
Er, no. The current system builds in a massive transfer of wealth from the young to the old. The Millennials are the first generation in living memory that are likely to be poorer than the one before.Casino_Royale said:
You say shafted, we say living in the real world.Chameleon said:
To be blunt, the reason why the young don't vote is because usually the major parties just give us a choice of how we want to be shafted, and while this is going on the conservatives (among others...) are shoving humungous bungs of money towards those that will probably have passed away before the full ramifications of their votes are felt.felix said:
Respect has to be earned by all of us. the voting record of the young is rather poor and that is inexcusable.Bobajob_PB said:
I couldn't care less. It's just boring. Read down thread the endless posts about young people being idle and addicted to Playstation, afraid of rain etc etc. No wonder there is a societal generational split, if this is the level of respect Millennials get.TheScreamingEagles said:
You know Charlie Peters is Scottish don't you?Bobajob_PB said:
It's good to see the PB Tories are keeping up their honourable tradition of stereotyping people.CarlottaVance said:Important info:
https://twitter.com/CDP1882/status/872734101803065345
Scots are drunks and young people sleep all day and are bone idle.
How we larfed.
I believe Ms Vance also has Scottish heritage
And that well known Scotland hater, Angry Salmond also tweeted it.
How is this meant to encourage us to vote?0 -
You seem to think it's all about wants - outputs respond pretty well to inputs - try voting.Chameleon said:
To be blunt, the reason why the young don't vote is because usually the major parties just give us a choice of how we want to be shafted, and while this is going on the conservatives (among others...) are shoving humungous bungs of money towards those that will probably have passed away before the full ramifications of their votes are felt.felix said:
Respect has to be earned by all of us. the voting record of the young is rather poor and that is inexcusable.Bobajob_PB said:
I couldn't care less. It's just boring. Read down thread the endless posts about young people being idle and addicted to Playstation, afraid of rain etc etc. No wonder there is a societal generational split, if this is the level of respect Millennials get.TheScreamingEagles said:
You know Charlie Peters is Scottish don't you?Bobajob_PB said:
It's good to see the PB Tories are keeping up their honourable tradition of stereotyping people.CarlottaVance said:Important info:
https://twitter.com/CDP1882/status/872734101803065345
Scots are drunks and young people sleep all day and are bone idle.
How we larfed.
I believe Ms Vance also has Scottish heritage
And that well known Scotland hater, Angry Salmond also tweeted it.
How is this meant to encourage us to vote?0 -
I never understand why others of my generation don’t consider the interests of their grandchildren. After all they’ll be passing on the genes. We’ve done our bit!Bobajob_PB said:
A fair point!!Chameleon said:
To be blunt, the reason why the young don't vote is because usually the major parties just give us a choice of how we want to be shafted, and while this is going on the conservatives (among others...) are shoving humungous bungs of money towards those that will probably have passed away before the full ramifications of their votes are felt.felix said:
Respect has to be earned by all of us. the voting record of the young is rather poor and that is inexcusable.Bobajob_PB said:
I couldn't care less. It's just boring. Read down thread the endless posts about young people being idle and addicted to Playstation, afraid of rain etc etc. No wonder there is a societal generational split, if this is the level of respect Millennials get.TheScreamingEagles said:
You know Charlie Peters is Scottish don't you?Bobajob_PB said:
It's good to see the PB Tories are keeping up their honourable tradition of stereotyping people.CarlottaVance said:Important info:
https://twitter.com/CDP1882/status/872734101803065345
Scots are drunks and young people sleep all day and are bone idle.
How we larfed.
I believe Ms Vance also has Scottish heritage
And that well known Scotland hater, Angry Salmond also tweeted it.
How is this meant to encourage us to vote?0 -
Or rather do the under 35s we interview represent the wider electorate?jonny83 said:Ben Page, Ipsos MORIVerified account @benatipsosmori 5m5 minutes ago
Labour's projected 36% share (up 5% on 2015) depends on heavy support from under 34s..will they turn out today?0 -
Society is organised and run around the worldview and experience of the people with the power. it was ever thus, which in our context means the votes and the money, which is the Baby Boomers. If and when another "generation" starts to have more clout, the world will start to be run their way.Bobajob_PB said:
The Millennial generation is a bigger cohort than the Baby Boom and indeed Generation X (which is slender compared to its two rivals). So we should bloody well start treating the Millennial generation seriously rather than stereotyping it and slating it. They were born into a very different world to the Xers and Boomers, yet still society is organised around the worldview and experiences of the latter.0 -
Hmm..wonder if we could be on for a big tory majority..jonny83 said:Ben Page, Ipsos MORIVerified account @benatipsosmori 5m5 minutes ago
Labour's projected 36% share (up 5% on 2015) depends on heavy support from under 34s..will they turn out today?0 -
Did you miss that the Tories actually told their elderly vote this time that they could not have a bunch of freebies, they removed the Triple Lock, are means testing WFA, and provided specific and unpopular details of including peoples' homes when calculating assets to pay for social care costs?Chameleon said:
To be blunt, the reason why the young don't vote is because usually the major parties just give us a choice of how we want to be shafted, and while this is going on the conservatives (among others...) are shoving humungous bungs of money towards those that will probably have passed away before the full ramifications of their votes are felt.felix said:
Respect has to be earned by all of us. the voting record of the young is rather poor and that is inexcusable.Bobajob_PB said:
I couldn't care less. It's just boring. Read down thread the endless posts about young people being idle and addicted to Playstation, afraid of rain etc etc. No wonder there is a societal generational split, if this is the level of respect Millennials get.TheScreamingEagles said:
You know Charlie Peters is Scottish don't you?Bobajob_PB said:
It's good to see the PB Tories are keeping up their honourable tradition of stereotyping people.CarlottaVance said:Important info:
https://twitter.com/CDP1882/status/872734101803065345
Scots are drunks and young people sleep all day and are bone idle.
How we larfed.
I believe Ms Vance also has Scottish heritage
And that well known Scotland hater, Angry Salmond also tweeted it.
How is this meant to encourage us to vote?
I am not contesting they have not made a pitch to the young, but they did not actually go for the grey vote bribes to anything like the extent they have before - and indeed Labour did promise to keep the ones I mentioned.0 -
I think I'll be drinking a lot of alcohol tonight, regardless.kjohnw said:Paul Mason will be a site to behold tonight - hopefully - I still have soggy sheets but am hoping they will have dried out when when we hear the exit poll
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not_on_fire said:
It's the same Martin Lewis. Perhaps he should have said you don't need to *bring* your polling card to vote...SimonStClare said:
The only Martin Lewis I know is the financial journalist - is there another I don't know of ?TheScreamingEagles said:Anecdote from a teller in a seat where Labour should be making gains.
So far had three youngish Corbyn/Labour supporters turn up, who were very upset to learn they couldn't vote because they weren't on the register.
Apparently Martin Lewis had said you don't need a polling card to vote.
He probably did but the youths did not listen.
When at school we had listening tests
...... and uniforms in the sixth form.
Edit - we also had reading tests.0 -
Bobajob_PB said:
Er, no. The current system builds in a massive transfer of wealth from the young to the old. The Millennials are the first generation in living memory that are likely to be poorer than the one before.Casino_Royale said:
You say shafted, we say living in the real world.Chameleon said:
To be blunt, the reason why the young don't vote is because usually the major parties just give us a choice of how we want to be shafted, and while this is going on the conservatives (among others...) are shoving humungous bungs of money towards those that will probably have passed away before the full ramifications of their votes are felt.felix said:
Respect has to be earned by all of us. the voting record of the young is rather poor and that is inexcusable.Bobajob_PB said:
I couldn't care less. It's just boring. Read down thread the endless posts about young people being idle and addicted to Playstation, afraid of rain etc etc. No wonder there is a societal generational split, if this is the level of respect Millennials get.TheScreamingEagles said:
You know Charlie Peters is Scottish don't you?Bobajob_PB said:
It's good to see the PB Tories are keeping up their honourable tradition of stereotyping people.CarlottaVance said:Important info:
https://twitter.com/CDP1882/status/872734101803065345
Scots are drunks and young people sleep all day and are bone idle.
How we larfed.
I believe Ms Vance also has Scottish heritage
And that well known Scotland hater, Angry Salmond also tweeted it.
How is this meant to encourage us to vote?
I agree.
Let's make the old pay for their nursing care, let's make the self harming pay for their medical care.. There's about £5Billion a year
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Wakefield goes Con by 31 votes! Not sure that is going to be good for Mr. Herdson's blood pressure!notme said:
It looks to me a fairly accurate assessment of one of the seats in cumbria that I've had the opportunity to observe. I think it's wrong for Copeland though. The model has it on labour with 99. It really won't be that. The constituency is not going to flip back from only a few months ago.CarlottaVance said:
One more for the list (comes with v clever interactive zoomable map):AlastairMeeks said:https://twitter.com/simonjhix/status/872724388768092160
Only two forecasts have the Lib Dems in double figures. Meanwhile, you can still back them for 3.2 under 10 seats on Betfair.
http://principalfish.co.uk/electionmaps/
Con: 350
Lab: 224
Lib: 8
SNP: 45
Con Maj 500 -
I think the point is that he's not clear that while you don't need to take your voting card with you in order to cast your vote, you need to be registered (and therefore to have received a voting card at some point, even if you've subsequently lost, eaten or smoked it) in order to cast your vote at all.Stark_Dawning said:
Why so? (I want to know because I've mislaid mine.)TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
No it's perfectly true. You need to be registered though.TheScreamingEagles said:
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So long as you are registered to vote in that constituency you don't need your card.Stark_Dawning said:
Why so? (I want to know because I've mislaid mine.)TheScreamingEagles said:
Some people have read it as you don't need A polling card, you can turn up and vote regardless of whether you're registered or not0 -
I personally do, and am about to go and vote. However the fact that theres nothing for us means that people disengage very early on, and it takes a lot for them to re-engage. Like perhaps a party offering to cancel £50,000 of your debt.felix said:
You seem to think it's all about wants - outputs respond pretty well to inputs - try voting.Chameleon said:
To be blunt, the reason why the young don't vote is because usually the major parties just give us a choice of how we want to be shafted, and while this is going on the conservatives (among others...) are shoving humungous bungs of money towards those that will probably have passed away before the full ramifications of their votes are felt.felix said:
Respect has to be earned by all of us. the voting record of the young is rather poor and that is inexcusable.Bobajob_PB said:
I couldn't care less. It's just boring. Read down thread the endless posts about young people being idle and addicted to Playstation, afraid of rain etc etc. No wonder there is a societal generational split, if this is the level of respect Millennials get.TheScreamingEagles said:
You know Charlie Peters is Scottish don't you?Bobajob_PB said:
It's good to see the PB Tories are keeping up their honourable tradition of stereotyping people.CarlottaVance said:Important info:
https://twitter.com/CDP1882/status/872734101803065345
Scots are drunks and young people sleep all day and are bone idle.
How we larfed.
I believe Ms Vance also has Scottish heritage
And that well known Scotland hater, Angry Salmond also tweeted it.
How is this meant to encourage us to vote?0 -
Put that much better than I did.TheScreamingEagles said:
So long as you are registered to vote in that constituency you don't need your card.Stark_Dawning said:
Why so? (I want to know because I've mislaid mine.)TheScreamingEagles said:
Some people have read it as you don't need A polling card, you can turn up and vote regardless of whether you're registered or not0 -
It looks like the Beeb are reusing the 2015 set.0
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Yes of course and I hope they realise that it will be fantastically difficult to negotiate any kind of good deal with the EU. But your position seems to be I wouldn't have started from here.FF43 said:
Maybe. Have and Eat it Brexit is the Conservatives' version of the Magic Money Tree. Not going to happen, any more than all the goodies promised by Labour. It will be don't have it and don't eat it Brexit along with loads of cuts.TOPPING said:
Lab's plan for Brexit is staying in the single market and unlimited immigration.FF43 said:
Actually what I was saying is that it doesn't matter hugely who is leader after today because the key thing is Brexit.TOPPING said:
Another one blaming the Cons for the UK's vote to leave the EU when their leader was a Remainer, while Jezza was (and is) a Leaver.FF43 said:
Welcome on board, Cassandra. I have voted Labour without the worries you have because:
A. Corbyn won't win.
B. In the remote chance (less than 1 in 30) that he does, he will be heavily constrained.
C. The shooting in the head has already happened with the Brexit vote. None of the parties know what they are doing as far as Brexit is concerned. The economy will be permanently damaged by it (if we are lucky, not massively so). In particular public finances will be very heavily squeezed. There will be no bribes, but there will worse public service provision and higher taxation. That applies to whichever party gets to power. It will all be about cuts.
The Conservatives have no meaningful plan for Brexit. To the extent they can mitigate the damage they are not going to do so, unless something unexpected happens. Labour have a slightly better approach to Brexit in fact, although it hasn't really been tested.
I can't see that not causing trouble although the UK being what it is, perhaps they will get away with it.
We are where we are. Penalising the Cons for Brexit ignores the fact that we are Brexiting and the aim is now to get the best possible deal for us. My view is that the Cons are likely to do this while Lab, apart from being in disarray internally, which is never a good look at the negotiating table, will be less effective.0 -
Oh, I do. It's not in their interests to burden them with debt and a sclerotic economy.OldKingCole said:
I never understand why others of my generation don’t consider the interests of their grandchildren. After all they’ll be passing on the genes. We’ve done our bit!Bobajob_PB said:
A fair point!!Chameleon said:
To be blunt, the reason why the young don't vote is because usually the major parties just give us a choice of how we want to be shafted, and while this is going on the conservatives (among others...) are shoving humungous bungs of money towards those that will probably have passed away before the full ramifications of their votes are felt.felix said:
Respect has to be earned by all of us. the voting record of the young is rather poor and that is inexcusable.Bobajob_PB said:
I couldn't care less. It's just boring. Read down thread the endless posts about young people being idle and addicted to Playstation, afraid of rain etc etc. No wonder there is a societal generational split, if this is the level of respect Millennials get.TheScreamingEagles said:
You know Charlie Peters is Scottish don't you?Bobajob_PB said:
It's good to see the PB Tories are keeping up their honourable tradition of stereotyping people.CarlottaVance said:Important info:
https://twitter.com/CDP1882/status/872734101803065345
Scots are drunks and young people sleep all day and are bone idle.
How we larfed.
I believe Ms Vance also has Scottish heritage
And that well known Scotland hater, Angry Salmond also tweeted it.
How is this meant to encourage us to vote?
I have a lot of sympathy with young people and homeownership, and my wife and I make a point of not objecting to new housing schemes.0 -
Actually by far the richest generation globally is the Millennials, because they founded and control Big Web. The big problem for that generation is that the wealth is concentrated into the hands of a few ultra rich and powerful individuals, rather than distributed more evenly a la the Baby Boom. The idea that the internet would democratise wealth and society is demonstrably false. It has done the opposite!AlsoIndigo said:
Society is organised and run around the worldview and experience of the people with the power. it was ever thus, which in our context means the votes and the money, which is the Baby Boomers. If and when another "generation" starts to have more clout, the world will start to be run their way.Bobajob_PB said:
The Millennial generation is a bigger cohort than the Baby Boom and indeed Generation X (which is slender compared to its two rivals). So we should bloody well start treating the Millennial generation seriously rather than stereotyping it and slating it. They were born into a very different world to the Xers and Boomers, yet still society is organised around the worldview and experiences of the latter.0 -
As they are wont say in these parts of God's own county ..... Not reet sharp!TheScreamingEagles said:Anecdote from a teller in a seat where Labour should be making gains.
So far had three youngish Corbyn/Labour supporters turn up, who were very upset to learn they couldn't vote because they weren't on the register.
Apparently Martin Lewis had said you don't need a polling card to vote.0 -
So it's all about greed - you want hard-pressed taxpayers and those on low incomes to pay taxes so your debts can be cancelled. Glad we cleared that one up.Chameleon said:
I personally do, and am about to go and vote. However the fact that theres nothing for us means that people disengage very early on, and it takes a lot for them to re-engage. Like perhaps a party offering to cancel £50,000 of your debt.felix said:
You seem to think it's all about wants - outputs respond pretty well to inputs - try voting.Chameleon said:
To be blunt, the reason why the young don't vote is because usually the major parties just give us a choice of how we want to be shafted, and while this is going on the conservatives (among others...) are shoving humungous bungs of money towards those that will probably have passed away before the full ramifications of their votes are felt.felix said:
Respect has to be earned by all of us. the voting record of the young is rather poor and that is inexcusable.Bobajob_PB said:
I couldn't care less. It's just boring. Read down thread the endless posts about young people being idle and addicted to Playstation, afraid of rain etc etc. No wonder there is a societal generational split, if this is the level of respect Millennials get.TheScreamingEagles said:
You know Charlie Peters is Scottish don't you?Bobajob_PB said:
It's good to see the PB Tories are keeping up their honourable tradition of stereotyping people.CarlottaVance said:Important info:
https://twitter.com/CDP1882/status/872734101803065345
Scots are drunks and young people sleep all day and are bone idle.
How we larfed.
I believe Ms Vance also has Scottish heritage
And that well known Scotland hater, Angry Salmond also tweeted it.
How is this meant to encourage us to vote?0 -
Just back from polling station - Polling seemed to be "brisk"
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That is one of society's biggest conundrums. I wonder if politicians could do a great deal more to make that point? Yet name a high profile Millennial politician. You will struggle!OldKingCole said:
I never understand why others of my generation don’t consider the interests of their grandchildren. After all they’ll be passing on the genes. We’ve done our bit!Bobajob_PB said:
A fair point!!Chameleon said:
To be blunt, the reason why the young don't vote is because usually the major parties just give us a choice of how we want to be shafted, and while this is going on the conservatives (among others...) are shoving humungous bungs of money towards those that will probably have passed away before the full ramifications of their votes are felt.felix said:
Respect has to be earned by all of us. the voting record of the young is rather poor and that is inexcusable.Bobajob_PB said:
I couldn't care less. It's just boring. Read down thread the endless posts about young people being idle and addicted to Playstation, afraid of rain etc etc. No wonder there is a societal generational split, if this is the level of respect Millennials get.TheScreamingEagles said:
You know Charlie Peters is Scottish don't you?Bobajob_PB said:
It's good to see the PB Tories are keeping up their honourable tradition of stereotyping people.CarlottaVance said:Important info:
https://twitter.com/CDP1882/status/872734101803065345
Scots are drunks and young people sleep all day and are bone idle.
How we larfed.
I believe Ms Vance also has Scottish heritage
And that well known Scotland hater, Angry Salmond also tweeted it.
How is this meant to encourage us to vote?0 -
Good point. Perhaps we'll have a reversal this time - youth voting in vast multitudes while the old sit it out.kle4 said:
Did you miss that the Tories actually told their elderly vote this time that they could not have a bunch of freebies, they removed the Triple Lock, are means testing WFA, and provided specific and unpopular details of including peoples' homes when calculating assets to pay for social care costs?Chameleon said:
To be blunt, the reason why the young don't vote is because usually the major parties just give us a choice of how we want to be shafted, and while this is going on the conservatives (among others...) are shoving humungous bungs of money towards those that will probably have passed away before the full ramifications of their votes are felt.felix said:
Respect has to be earned by all of us. the voting record of the young is rather poor and that is inexcusable.Bobajob_PB said:
I couldn't care less. It's just boring. Read down thread the endless posts about young people being idle and addicted to Playstation, afraid of rain etc etc. No wonder there is a societal generational split, if this is the level of respect Millennials get.TheScreamingEagles said:
You know Charlie Peters is Scottish don't you?Bobajob_PB said:
It's good to see the PB Tories are keeping up their honourable tradition of stereotyping people.CarlottaVance said:Important info:
https://twitter.com/CDP1882/status/872734101803065345
Scots are drunks and young people sleep all day and are bone idle.
How we larfed.
I believe Ms Vance also has Scottish heritage
And that well known Scotland hater, Angry Salmond also tweeted it.
How is this meant to encourage us to vote?
I am not contesting they have not made a pitch to the young, but they did not actually go for the grey vote bribes to anything like the extent they have before - and indeed Labour did promise to keep the ones I mentioned.0 -
Who do you want to see on the election programmes tonight. Paddy and his hat? Paul Mason and his entire politIcsl philosophy? Will Boris be on his Bike? Pob, sorry Michael Gove toadying up to May?0
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I didn't ask her to! When I tidy up I know where everything is.Casino_Royale said:
Woman's Equality?Bobajob_PB said:
I voted this morning without my polling card. My wife had tidied up so I was unable to find anything.HaroldO said:
You don't need to bring your polling card, i think he would have meant.TheScreamingEagles said:Anecdote from a teller in a seat where Labour should be making gains.
So far had three youngish Corbyn/Labour supporters turn up, who were very upset to learn they couldn't vote because they weren't on the register.
Apparently Martin Lewis had said you don't need a polling card to vote.0 -
You mean like the triple lock on pensions?Bobajob_PB said:
The Millennial generation is a bigger cohort than the Baby Boom and indeed Generation X (which is slender compared to its two rivals). So we should bloody well start treating the Millennial generation seriously rather than stereotyping it and slating it. They were born into a very different world to the Xers and Boomers, yet still society is organised around the worldview and experiences of the latter.kle4 said:
SNIPChameleon said:
We're disengaged. Corbyn has at the very least made a pitch to us (and a very tempting one at that), whereas I'm not sure May even knows that we exist.kle4 said:
I'm technically a millennial - and the fact is my generation and the one below it do not vote anywhere near as much as others. I hope that changes, even if it means votes for Corbyn, but if someone is making the argument that those people would vote if they could do so online, then how else but lazy and idle could that be described (and that is what prompted much of the comments, that specific issue)?Bobajob_PB said:
I couldn't care less. It's just boring. Read down thread the endless posts about young people being idle and addicted to Playstation, afraid of rain etc etc. No wonder there is a societal generational split, if this is the level of respect Millennials get.TheScreamingEagles said:
You know Charlie Peters is Scottish don't you?Bobajob_PB said:
It's good to see the PB Tories are keeping up their honourable tradition of stereotyping people.CarlottaVance said:Important info:
https://twitter.com/CDP1882/status/872734101803065345
Scots are drunks and young people sleep all day and are bone idle.
How we larfed.
I believe Ms Vance also has Scottish heritage
And that well known Scotland hater, Angry Salmond also tweeted it.
Now, if the argument is the young are less engaged with, not appealed to enough, that is something else, that is them not wanting to vote - in which case the problem is not idleness and the solution is the Corbyn approach of appealing to them more. But fact it some were making the argument the young would vote more if they could do so online rather than a short journey to do so in person, and I find that pretty insulting to young people, frankly. I'd rather believe they are disengaged and we should do something about that, than that they are lazy.
The only policy really relevant to young people that I've heard has been the tuition fees from Labour, I'm not aware of a single other policy regarding young people.0 -
Look, are you against stereotyping or not? As you are perfectly content to stereotype other generations, but are hugely upset that others stereotype my generation (wiki - There are no precise dates for when this cohort starts or ends; demographers and researchers typically use the early 1980s as starting birth years and the mid-1990s to early 2000s as ending birth years)Bobajob_PB said:
The Millennial generation is a bigger cohort than the Baby Boom and indeed Generation X (which is slender compared to its two rivals). So we should bloody well start treating the Millennial generation seriously rather than stereotyping it and slating it. They were born into a very different world to the Xers and Boomers, yet still society is organised around the worldview and experiences of the latter.
You are hugely conflating a few people pointing out (and yes, some mocking and being happy at) young people don't vote with the slating of an entire demographic. I happen to agree too much focus is on the elderly demographics, that's why I was pleased the Tories were bold enough to take away the Triple Lock (Corbyn was very unhappy about this, he repeated the question 3-4 times at Amber Rudd) among other things. No, it wasn't a direct pitch to younger people, but it was a recognition that the elderly were getting more than could fairly be sustained.0 -
At every election I've taken an interest in young people have been supposed to be voting in large numbers and they never do. Will it be different this time? I'm unconvinced.jonny83 said:Ben Page, Ipsos MORIVerified account @benatipsosmori 5m5 minutes ago
Labour's projected 36% share (up 5% on 2015) depends on heavy support from under 34s..will they turn out today?0 -
Debts that only exist due to a party voted in by the oldies who got their education scot-free.felix said:
So it's all about greed - you want hard-pressed taxpayers and those on low incomes to pay taxes so your debts can be cancelled. Glad we cleared that one up.Chameleon said:
I personally do, and am about to go and vote. However the fact that theres nothing for us means that people disengage very early on, and it takes a lot for them to re-engage. Like perhaps a party offering to cancel £50,000 of your debt.felix said:
You seem to think it's all about wants - outputs respond pretty well to inputs - try voting.Chameleon said:
To be blunt, the reason why the young don't vote is because usually the major parties just give us a choice of how we want to be shafted, and while this is going on the conservatives (among others...) are shoving humungous bungs of money towards those that will probably have passed away before the full ramifications of their votes are felt.felix said:
Respect has to be earned by all of us. the voting record of the young is rather poor and that is inexcusable.Bobajob_PB said:
I couldn't care less. It's just boring. Read down thread the endless posts about young people being idle and addicted to Playstation, afraid of rain etc etc. No wonder there is a societal generational split, if this is the level of respect Millennials get.TheScreamingEagles said:
You know Charlie Peters is Scottish don't you?Bobajob_PB said:
It's good to see the PB Tories are keeping up their honourable tradition of stereotyping people.CarlottaVance said:Important info:
https://twitter.com/CDP1882/status/872734101803065345
Scots are drunks and young people sleep all day and are bone idle.
How we larfed.
I believe Ms Vance also has Scottish heritage
And that well known Scotland hater, Angry Salmond also tweeted it.
How is this meant to encourage us to vote?0
