The Green party is optimistic of a gain in the Isle of Wight having mobilized the anti-Tory vote.Both Tory MP and Tory party highly unpopular.16-1 best priced Bet365.12-1 WH.Andrew Turner would be an excellent Tory scalp.
Well in Thornbury and Yate I supported the libdems. If it had been close I would have considered lending my vote to the Tories as I cannot stand Corbyn. My primary reason for supporting the libdems is that I think we need to fund our public services better and that means we all need to be adult about it and to pay more in taxes to do the right thing. The labour fantasy that somehow 90% of people won't be affected by more taxes is something that I find deeply insulting and believe it would be counter productive.
You think the Tories are safe in Thornbury & Yate despite the small majority?
Morning all, any signs of this youth tsunami yet for those that have voted this morning? I guess it is still pretty early so they could still be in bed.
They all stopped at the Polling Station on the way back from last night's rave session, voted and are now in bed until 3pm as normal
You have to remember that they are not normally seen in daylight hours
This is a spoof of a tweet earlier from some earnest sort saying his 93 year old gran etc etc and she said "I'm hungover", which of course also didn't happen.
I don't agree with vote swapping. Effectively it means that you have feelings and beliefs in a party but are willing to traduced them by voting for another party in the hope that a stranger will do the same. So you're expecting two traitors to act honourably-weird.
Dante had a large circle especially reserved for traitors.
Sometimes you have to channel your inner Peter Mandelson though.
If people are so concerned they can move to a marginal constituency. It seems a bit rich living in a pleasant part of the world in a safe seat but wanting someone in a less fortunate part of the world to vote against their beliefs. Not everyone regards a GE as a game. It decides the direction of the country for the next 5 years
It's funny watching Tories crying about vote swapping. Of course the GE is a game. Made even more so by having a voting system that's not not fit for purpose. A system that gives a minority party a majority government for 5 years to carry out its "mandate".
Your suggestion of "moving" to a marginal constituency is probably less moral than vote swapping and is certainly more open to abuse and illegality. And it emphasises my point about how crap FPTP is, that you're right that marginals are the only places that really count in a British election.
Only two forecasts have the Lib Dems in double figures. Meanwhile, you can still back them for 3.2 under 10 seats on Betfair.
YG sticking out like a sore ELBOW
Geniuses.
So it is done then. Had 'It's a Sin' by the Pet Shop Boys playing on headphones as I entered the polling station. After I left it was 'Torn' by Natalia Imbruglia. An omen? (Should have been the other way around though)
Of course, 'Mrs Robinson' by Simon and Garfunkel played after that, so perhaps not.
This is a spoof of a tweet earlier from some earnest sort saying his 93 year old gran etc etc and she said "I'm hungover", which of course also didn't happen.
It's a parody of something people said happened in the EURef.
Morning all, any signs of this youth tsunami yet for those that have voted this morning? I guess it is still pretty early so they could still be in bed.
They all stopped at the Polling Station on the way back from last night's rave session, voted and are now in bed until 3pm as normal
You have to remember that they are not normally seen in daylight hours
Morning all, any signs of this youth tsunami yet for those that have voted this morning? I guess it is still pretty early so they could still be in bed.
Just seems to be oldies and middle-aged voting in my village.
Mr Clown was first in at 7am I voted on the way back from the school run. Judging by my voting slip number I would say early voting is up on previous elections.
Former MP was just leaving the polling station when I drove past so didn't get the chance to ask how he felt it was going.
For what it's worth the BMG poll is about where I think the polling will end up. I think Cons will be substantially up. I'm thinking a majority of 80-90, partly because of gains in Scotland. I think it will be a mixed bag for the LibDems with one or two good gains but overall no move into double figures. Hope Norman Lamb keeps his seat.
This is a spoof of a tweet earlier from some earnest sort saying his 93 year old gran etc etc and she said "I'm hungover", which of course also didn't happen.
It's a parody of something people said happened in the EURef.
Can we keep track of the most optimistic prediction of a gain by any party today?
Bootle Tories are optimistic about their chances?
Current entrants: Lib Dems for Vauxhall, Conservatives for Bolsover, Greens for Isle of Wight (thanks @volcanopete), independent for Devon East. Labour seem more muted this time.
I had a bottle of beer in a half pint glass once. Felt like a right twat
I believe Newcastle Brown was traditionally served in a half pint glass.
Yes. I fell foul of that on a visit to Newcastle in the 90s. Given a half pint with my bottle and I was like wtf is that for? I believe they spotted I was even south of being a mackem.
Can we keep track of the most optimistic prediction of a gain by any party today?
Bootle Tories are optimistic about their chances?
Current entrants: Lib Dems for Vauxhall, Conservatives for Bolsover, Greens for Isle of Wight (thanks @volcanopete), independent for Devon East. Labour seem more muted this time.
If nothing has truly changed from the locals then the Tories SHOULD gain Blyth Valley. That is the acid test.
Can we keep track of the most optimistic prediction of a gain by any party today?
Bootle Tories are optimistic about their chances?
Current entrants: Lib Dems for Vauxhall, Conservatives for Bolsover, Greens for Isle of Wight (thanks @volcanopete), independent for Devon East. Labour seem more muted this time.
I've got that bet on a Tory win somewhere in NI at 500-1....
CON 46%, 358 (+27) LAB 35%, 215 (-17) LD 7%, 5 (-3) SNP 43%, 50 (-6) PC 12%, 3 UKIP 4%, 0 (-1) GN 3%, 1 Ulster 17 Speaker 1
The party claims:
May wins, "increasing vote by 7% and quintupling majority" Corbyn "increased vote by 4%, and 'held the line'" (Corbyn's Svengali, Seamus Milne, wouldn't let Corbyn resign, even if Labour's vote fell into single figures. This is the closest Milne has ever got to real power, and he will keep hold of it to his last breath) Farron disappears into the ranks of forgotton politicians, so there's no leader to come up with an excuse.
The reality.
Tories happy - a healthy majority, and Momentum will keep the Corbyn albatross round Labour's neck. Labour left happy - Corbyn safe, so five years to change Labour's constitution to the left's advantage. Labour moderates unhappy - five years of internal fighting ahead. Libdems unhappy - jokes about the MPs fitting into a taxi abound, and worried about jokes about phone boxes after the following election.
I like that some of the predictions have really huge Tory majorities and are positive for the LDs, and others are huge Tory majorities but really negative for the LDs. Some very different assumptions behind some superficially similar predictions.
Morning all, any signs of this youth tsunami yet for those that have voted this morning? I guess it is still pretty early so they could still be in bed.
They all stopped at the Polling Station on the way back from last night's rave session, voted and are now in bed until 3pm as normal
You have to remember that they are not normally seen in daylight hours
Rave session?
What is this 1996?
For Corbynites it is 1976 - just read the manifesto
Can we keep track of the most optimistic prediction of a gain by any party today?
Bootle Tories are optimistic about their chances?
Current entrants: Lib Dems for Vauxhall, Conservatives for Bolsover, Greens for Isle of Wight (thanks @volcanopete), independent for Devon East. Labour seem more muted this time.
I know that I shouldn't say this as a candidate, and obviously all our candidates are fighting hard for every vote, but I'm not going be claiming "Potential Pirate Gain"
I had a bottle of beer in a half pint glass once. Felt like a right twat
I believe Newcastle Brown was traditionally served in a half pint glass.
Yes. I fell foul of that on a visit to Newcastle in the 90s. Given a half pint with my bottle and I was like wtf is that for? I believe they spotted I was even south of being a mackem.
Not when I was a student in mackem land around 1960!
TBH I don’t think the pub the students drank in HAD half-pint glasses.
Can we keep track of the most optimistic prediction of a gain by any party today?
Bootle Tories are optimistic about their chances?
Current entrants: Lib Dems for Vauxhall, Conservatives for Bolsover, Greens for Isle of Wight (thanks @volcanopete), independent for Devon East. Labour seem more muted this time.
I've got that bet on a Tory win somewhere in NI at 500-1....
At the time of peak Tory surge I kind of hoped that would happen, just so politics there could be a little more connected to over here.
I don’t currently bet and I’m not nearly as interested in the details of politics as many of the people on this site. Nonetheless, I occasionally visit because comments here are often more astute than most paid media political columnists can manage. Also funnier.
Which brings up the obvious question – the Mrs Merton question: “So Jeremy Corbyn (admirer of Lenin and Trotsky), John McDonnell (Marxist) and Seamus Milne (Stalinist), why would you put forward a manifesto filled with bribes to get as many people as possible to vote for you which you’ll never have a chance to put into practice because you’ll have no money, the economy will be in ruins, leading to civil disorder and a state of emergency in which the government will assume draconian powers, future elections will be cancelled and opposition will be outlawed, leaving you in power indefinitely? No, no don’t tell me...I’ll get it in a minute...um...oh...ah...now I get it...damn”
Many people will vote Labour with good intentions. But I’m struggling to find a metaphor in which someone shoots themselves and their family and friends in the head with good intentions. Corbyn et al have made clear their intentions throughout their political careers. Over the years I’ve voted Tory, Labour and none-of-the above. Usually I’ve thought it didn’t matter a great deal one way or another. This time it does. If you vote Labour and Corbyn forms a government, there’s a good chance you’ll regret it. “Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow. But soon. And for the rest of your life”.
Welcome Cassandra to former lurkerdom. I have to agree the comments on here are very funny. My favourite comedian in the snp parody MalcolmG.
I have tried to point out the inanity of the Labour costings but it should be obvious for anyone with more than two brain cells. I am also sick of my friends calling me heartless because I think capitalism works. The level of whataboutery I get regarding a specific person in a specific situation drives me around the bend - as does the idea that some Governmental system will be able to solve everyone's problems.
Anecdote time. My parents have had 5 pieces of communication from the blues, they are in the suburban bit of Norwich South. Also had a visit from the Tory candidate who they say is a lovely woman who reported vandalism to her placards etc. Consequently I am of the impression there is a much much stronger shy Tory vote than I had assumed. The antagonistic approach from momentumers is driving, I think, numbers quietly for blue. Not me, I might add. I'm immune to such things
The Lib Dem sign that I put up in my garden was totally destroyed after a few days. And not by drunks or kids either. It happened in the afternoon while I popped out for 1/2 an hour (I work from home), as though someone was waiting for the opportunity. A bit creepy, really.
Can we keep track of the most optimistic prediction of a gain by any party today?
Bootle Tories are optimistic about their chances?
Current entrants: Lib Dems for Vauxhall, Conservatives for Bolsover, Greens for Isle of Wight (thanks @volcanopete), independent for Devon East. Labour seem more muted this time.
I know that I shouldn't say this as a candidate, and obviously all our candidates are fighting hard for every vote, but I'm not going be claiming "Potential Pirate Gain"
Can we keep track of the most optimistic prediction of a gain by any party today?
Bootle Tories are optimistic about their chances?
Current entrants: Lib Dems for Vauxhall, Conservatives for Bolsover, Greens for Isle of Wight (thanks @volcanopete), independent for Devon East. Labour seem more muted this time.
I've got that bet on a Tory win somewhere in NI at 500-1....
Can we keep track of the most optimistic prediction of a gain by any party today?
Bootle Tories are optimistic about their chances?
Current entrants: Lib Dems for Vauxhall, Conservatives for Bolsover, Greens for Isle of Wight (thanks @volcanopete), independent for Devon East. Labour seem more muted this time.
I know that I shouldn't say this as a candidate, and obviously all our candidates are fighting hard for every vote, but I'm not going be claiming "Potential Pirate Gain"
Will you be able to work out which way Vauxhall is going ?
Can we keep track of the most optimistic prediction of a gain by any party today?
Bootle Tories are optimistic about their chances?
Current entrants: Lib Dems for Vauxhall, Conservatives for Bolsover, Greens for Isle of Wight (thanks @volcanopete), independent for Devon East. Labour seem more muted this time.
I've got that bet on a Tory win somewhere in NI at 500-1....
At the time of peak Tory surge I kind of hoped that would happen, just so politics there could be a little more connected to over here.
I would be overjoyed if any major GB party started to gain seats in NI.
I had a bottle of beer in a half pint glass once. Felt like a right twat
I believe Newcastle Brown was traditionally served in a half pint glass.
Yes. I fell foul of that on a visit to Newcastle in the 90s. Given a half pint with my bottle and I was like wtf is that for? I believe they spotted I was even south of being a mackem.
Not when I was a student in mackem land around 1960!
TBH I don’t think the pub the students drank in HAD half-pint glasses.
It was the traditional method apparently, the bottle label used to Bart on about it. I was a menace on the old dog.
Can we keep track of the most optimistic prediction of a gain by any party today?
Bootle Tories are optimistic about their chances?
Current entrants: Lib Dems for Vauxhall, Conservatives for Bolsover, Greens for Isle of Wight (thanks @volcanopete), independent for Devon East. Labour seem more muted this time.
I've got that bet on a Tory win somewhere in NI at 500-1....
At the time of peak Tory surge I kind of hoped that would happen, just so politics there could be a little more connected to over here.
I would be overjoyed if any major GB party started to gain seats in NI.
Afraid my polling station will tell you almost nothing even about FST. I'm in a very Nationalist area and Protestant turnout will approach 100 per cent of not many. Guess a huge overall turnout will suggest a SF win but as it all comes down to SDLP vote even that not massive sign.
Anecdote time. My parents have had 5 pieces of communication from the blues, they are in the suburban bit of Norwich South. Also had a visit from the Tory candidate who they say is a lovely woman who reported vandalism to her placards etc. Consequently I am of the impression there is a much much stronger shy Tory vote than I had assumed. The antagonistic approach from momentumers is driving, I think, numbers quietly for blue. Not me, I might add. I'm immune to such things
The Lib Dem sign that I put up in my garden was totally destroyed after a few days. And not by drunks or kids either. It happened in the afternoon while I popped out for 1/2 an hour (I work from home), as though someone was waiting for the opportunity. A bit creepy, really.
It's sickening whatever way it happens. Hangover of rotten boroughs and voter intimidation.
I like that some of the predictions have really huge Tory majorities and are positive for the LDs, and others are huge Tory majorities but really negative for the LDs. Some very different assumptions behind some superficially similar predictions.
I think the low levels of lib dem seats predictions are from some of the people who have a history in this area!
Can we keep track of the most optimistic prediction of a gain by any party today?
Bootle Tories are optimistic about their chances?
Current entrants: Lib Dems for Vauxhall, Conservatives for Bolsover, Greens for Isle of Wight (thanks @volcanopete), independent for Devon East. Labour seem more muted this time.
I've got that bet on a Tory win somewhere in NI at 500-1....
At the time of peak Tory surge I kind of hoped that would happen, just so politics there could be a little more connected to over here.
I think the Alliance is v good for NI politics, and also Mike Nesbitt from the UUP and the SDLP are healthy compared to the DUP/Sinn Fein.
What problem does voting online solve? It's not hard to get to a polling station, and if it is for some reason, we have postal votes and proxy votes.
Did a yougov poll a few weeks back asking about it, and how much more likely to vote I would be if I could do it online. Since I'd vote anyway I said no more likely, but even some say they would be more likely, as I say it's not hard now.
Counting would be quicker, but is the speed of the count a problem that needs solving?
Assuming it would be secure, usher current system so insecure it needs ditching?
I am pretty certain it would bring turnout into line across all age groups - i.e. the young would vote. You can say (if you are happy with the end result which is bad for Lab/good for con) that if they can't be arsed to walk for 5 minutes in the rain they don't deserve a vote, but that's hard to justify - universal suffrage is what it says it is, and laziness is no more a disqualification than is being white working class with no degree (despite the secret view of the Remainers).
The end result is immaterial to me. If someone chooses to be lazy that is their choice, we have seen young people can and do turnout when they want to, and they used to, so the method of voting is demonstrably not the problem. It's people not wanting to vote. That's what needs addressing, making young people want to vote. Corbyn may well show that can be addressed.
If the publishing industry sells fewer books, publishers would be laughed out of town if they suggested making buying books compulsory. They would rightly be told to make the product more attractive.
Can we keep track of the most optimistic prediction of a gain by any party today?
Bootle Tories are optimistic about their chances?
Current entrants: Lib Dems for Vauxhall, Conservatives for Bolsover, Greens for Isle of Wight (thanks @volcanopete), independent for Devon East. Labour seem more muted this time.
I know that I shouldn't say this as a candidate, and obviously all our candidates are fighting hard for every vote, but I'm not going be claiming "Potential Pirate Gain"
Can we keep track of the most optimistic prediction of a gain by any party today?
Bootle Tories are optimistic about their chances?
Current entrants: Lib Dems for Vauxhall, Conservatives for Bolsover, Greens for Isle of Wight (thanks @volcanopete), independent for Devon East. Labour seem more muted this time.
I know that I shouldn't say this as a candidate, and obviously all our candidates are fighting hard for every vote, but I'm not going be claiming "Potential Pirate Gain"
But if it is mighty close, you could have influenced the outcome.
Can I just say, thank you to all the candidates who are standing - especially the ones who know they are going to lose. Democracy really wouldn't work without you.
Can we keep track of the most optimistic prediction of a gain by any party today?
Bootle Tories are optimistic about their chances?
Current entrants: Lib Dems for Vauxhall, Conservatives for Bolsover, Greens for Isle of Wight (thanks @volcanopete), independent for Devon East. Labour seem more muted this time.
I've got that bet on a Tory win somewhere in NI at 500-1....
Can we keep track of the most optimistic prediction of a gain by any party today?
Bootle Tories are optimistic about their chances?
Current entrants: Lib Dems for Vauxhall, Conservatives for Bolsover, Greens for Isle of Wight (thanks @volcanopete), independent for Devon East. Labour seem more muted this time.
I've got that bet on a Tory win somewhere in NI at 500-1....
Can you just give me the money? I have been a Tory member most of my adult life and don't vote NI Con. Even when telling MPs who visit they agree it's a waste of time. Off the record.
Can we keep track of the most optimistic prediction of a gain by any party today?
Bootle Tories are optimistic about their chances?
Current entrants: Lib Dems for Vauxhall, Conservatives for Bolsover, Greens for Isle of Wight (thanks @volcanopete), independent for Devon East. Labour seem more muted this time.
I've got that bet on a Tory win somewhere in NI at 500-1....
Can we keep track of the most optimistic prediction of a gain by any party today?
Bootle Tories are optimistic about their chances?
Current entrants: Lib Dems for Vauxhall, Conservatives for Bolsover, Greens for Isle of Wight (thanks @volcanopete), independent for Devon East. Labour seem more muted this time.
I've got that bet on a Tory win somewhere in NI at 500-1....
Can you just give me the money? I have been a Tory member most of my adult life and don't vote NI Con. Even when telling MPs who visit they agree it's a waste of time. Off the record.
It was a free bet with a bookie.... lord knows what made me do it. Someone on here led me astray I think...
Can we keep track of the most optimistic prediction of a gain by any party today?
Bootle Tories are optimistic about their chances?
Current entrants: Lib Dems for Vauxhall, Conservatives for Bolsover, Greens for Isle of Wight (thanks @volcanopete), independent for Devon East. Labour seem more muted this time.
Haven't we heard rumours that Labour think Morley and Outwood is in play? Sorry, that's the best I can manage...
What problem does voting online solve? It's not hard to get to a polling station, and if it is for some reason, we have postal votes and proxy votes.
Did a yougov poll a few weeks back asking about it, and how much more likely to vote I would be if I could do it online. Since I'd vote anyway I said no more likely, but even some say they would be more likely, as I say it's not hard now.
Counting would be quicker, but is the speed of the count a problem that needs solving?
Assuming it would be secure, usher current system so insecure it needs ditching?
I am pretty certain it would bring turnout into line across all age groups - i.e. the young would vote. You can say (if you are happy with the end result which is bad for Lab/good for con) that if they can't be arsed to walk for 5 minutes in the rain they don't deserve a vote, but that's hard to justify - universal suffrage is what it says it is, and laziness is no more a disqualification than is being white working class with no degree (despite the secret view of the Remainers).
The end result is immaterial to me. If someone chooses to be lazy that is their choice, we have seen young people can and do turnout when they want to, and they used to, so the method of voting is demonstrably not the problem. It's people not wanting to vote. That's what needs addressing, making young people want to vote. Corbyn may well show that can be addressed.
If the publishing industry sells fewer books, publishers would be laughed out of town if they suggested making buying books compulsory. They would rightly be told to make the product more attractive.
Although buying the BBC is compulsory.
Only if you consume it. I happen to buy a TV license because I consume the BBC "as live" through iPlayer, but our TV is connected to the internet and nothing else (no cable, no satellite). I also pay for Netflix and Amazon which are our primary sources of televisual entertainment. They are slightly more expensive than what I think of as my iPlayer subscription.
Member of another forum I frequent had to queue for 25 minutes in Chelsea and Fulham to vote.
Hell of a rush, and/or bad management - in my seat turnout is usually over 70%, which is pretty good, and I've never seen more than 3-4 people in there when I vote in the mornings; I guess a lot of early risers in Chelsea!
I was in the low 60s 'You know your neck of the woods'
I got a shamefully low score. I blame the fact that I massively overestimated the average age of the constituents based on the people I saw at my local polling station this morning!
Can we keep track of the most optimistic prediction of a gain by any party today?
Bootle Tories are optimistic about their chances?
Current entrants: Lib Dems for Vauxhall, Conservatives for Bolsover, Greens for Isle of Wight (thanks @volcanopete), independent for Devon East. Labour seem more muted this time.
Labour to gain Canterbury. Which would prove YouGov correct.
Can we keep track of the most optimistic prediction of a gain by any party today?
Bootle Tories are optimistic about their chances?
Current entrants: Lib Dems for Vauxhall, Conservatives for Bolsover, Greens for Isle of Wight (thanks @volcanopete), independent for Devon East. Labour seem more muted this time.
Haven't we heard rumours that Labour think Morley and Outwood is in play? Sorry, that's the best I can manage...
Can we keep track of the most optimistic prediction of a gain by any party today?
Bootle Tories are optimistic about their chances?
Current entrants: Lib Dems for Vauxhall, Conservatives for Bolsover, Greens for Isle of Wight (thanks @volcanopete), independent for Devon East. Labour seem more muted this time.
I've got that bet on a Tory win somewhere in NI at 500-1....
Can we keep track of the most optimistic prediction of a gain by any party today?
Bootle Tories are optimistic about their chances?
Current entrants: Lib Dems for Vauxhall, Conservatives for Bolsover, Greens for Isle of Wight (thanks @volcanopete), independent for Devon East. Labour seem more muted this time.
I've got that bet on a Tory win somewhere in NI at 500-1....
Can you just give me the money? I have been a Tory member most of my adult life and don't vote NI Con. Even when telling MPs who visit they agree it's a waste of time. Off the record.
It was a free bet with a bookie.... lord knows what made me do it. Someone on here led me astray I think...
Still as not a bad bet as backing Spurs fan Tracey Crouch as next Tory leader.
Morning all, any signs of this youth tsunami yet for those that have voted this morning? I guess it is still pretty early so they could still be in bed.
Just seems to be oldies and middle-aged voting in my village.
Mr Clown was first in at 7am I voted on the way back from the school run. Judging by my voting slip number I would say early voting is up on previous elections.
Former MP was just leaving the polling station when I drove past so didn't get the chance to ask how he felt it was going.
For what it's worth the BMG poll is about where I think the polling will end up. I think Cons will be substantially up. I'm thinking a majority of 80-90, partly because of gains in Scotland. I think it will be a mixed bag for the LibDems with one or two good gains but overall no move into double figures. Hope Norman Lamb keeps his seat.
Do we all hope Norman Lamb keeps his seat in Norfolk?
Can we keep track of the most optimistic prediction of a gain by any party today?
Bootle Tories are optimistic about their chances?
Current entrants: Lib Dems for Vauxhall, Conservatives for Bolsover, Greens for Isle of Wight (thanks @volcanopete), independent for Devon East. Labour seem more muted this time.
I've got that bet on a Tory win somewhere in NI at 500-1....
At the time of peak Tory surge I kind of hoped that would happen, just so politics there could be a little more connected to over here.
Politics over there is connected to something like 1867. I knew people who still rabbited on about the Portadown Massacre in 1633
Morning all, any signs of this youth tsunami yet for those that have voted this morning? I guess it is still pretty early so they could still be in bed.
Just seems to be oldies and middle-aged voting in my village.
Mr Clown was first in at 7am I voted on the way back from the school run. Judging by my voting slip number I would say early voting is up on previous elections.
Former MP was just leaving the polling station when I drove past so didn't get the chance to ask how he felt it was going.
For what it's worth the BMG poll is about where I think the polling will end up. I think Cons will be substantially up. I'm thinking a majority of 80-90, partly because of gains in Scotland. I think it will be a mixed bag for the LibDems with one or two good gains but overall no move into double figures. Hope Norman Lamb keeps his seat.
Do we all hope Norman Lamb keeps his seat in Norfolk?
I wouldn't be annoyed if all that was left was Clegg and Lamb.
Just returned home from Asda and their newspaper display is awful for Corbyn with the sun, mail and express front pages dominating. Lots of people taking the sun and some the mail but a student type picked up the sun and returned it sports page up. Really funny and after he had gone I did my duty by putting it back front page up
Voted LD, just couldn't bring myself to contribute to Corbyn's national percentage in a pretty safe Labour seat. Even last night's mailshot, which was a very targeted pitch to me, ("an unashamedly centre ground politician") did not go far enough to change my mind - it needed to be the full John Woodcock for me to consider it.
I had considered the Tories for the full purgative pyrrhic effect that might have brought down on Corbyn had they sneaked Huddersfield on the back of a 150 majority landslide, but having spent a lot of my last 3 months witnessing the effect of the NHS meltdown on my father's treatment, the gag reflex was just too strong.
The irony is that a Tory majority above 30 but below humongous serves no purpose at all for me - neither keeps Brexit honest nor slays Corbyn, but my vote sees me fall between those stools.
Can we keep track of the most optimistic prediction of a gain by any party today?
Bootle Tories are optimistic about their chances?
Current entrants: Lib Dems for Vauxhall, Conservatives for Bolsover, Greens for Isle of Wight (thanks @volcanopete), independent for Devon East. Labour seem more muted this time.
I've got that bet on a Tory win somewhere in NI at 500-1....
At the time of peak Tory surge I kind of hoped that would happen, just so politics there could be a little more connected to over here.
Politics over there is connected to something like 1867. I knew people who still rabbited on about the Portadown Massacre in 1633
Well of course! - massacres (or reports of them) in Ireland later led to a hardening of opposition in the Long Parliament which led to widespread civil war*. 1633 is earlier than I realised though.
*I know it is much much more complicated, I'm just joking
The irony is that a Tory majority above 30 but below humongous serves no purpose at all for me - neither keeps Brexit honest nor slays Corbyn, but my vote sees me fall between those stools.
Britain Elects now cast has its final predictions up.SNP -13 so despite an increasing Labour vote,the Tories could be set for a very good night.I think you may have to go back to so much blue on a map to the 1950s.It's a terrifying sight.
I can't change mine. I'm stuck with this horrible yellow and green thing. Before you ask, yes, I have changed my username again – this is because bobajobPB has been unable to post since the weekend, for no good reason at all. Vanilla is just weird.
Just so you know....Every week, Vanilla poll its users, asking "Who would you like us to block this week?" For some reason, your name keeps coming top of the poll.....
Just returned home from Asda and their newspaper display is awful for Corbyn with the sun, mail and express front pages dominating. Lots of people taking the sun and some the mail but a student type picked up the sun and returned it sports page up. Really funny and after he had gone I did my duty by putting it back front page up
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https://twitter.com/WillMcHoebag/status/872743719866421248
You have to remember that they are not normally seen in daylight hours
Your suggestion of "moving" to a marginal constituency is probably less moral than vote swapping and is certainly more open to abuse and illegality. And it emphasises my point about how crap FPTP is, that you're right that marginals are the only places that really count in a British election.
So it is done then. Had 'It's a Sin' by the Pet Shop Boys playing on headphones as I entered the polling station. After I left it was 'Torn' by Natalia Imbruglia. An omen? (Should have been the other way around though)
Of course, 'Mrs Robinson' by Simon and Garfunkel played after that, so perhaps not.
1992 - Colchester North (Safe Con) - Lib Dem
1997 - Banff and Buchan (Safe SNP) - Did not Vote
2001 - North-East Hampshire (Safe Con) - Labour
2005 - Maidenhead (then a semi-marginal Con/LD) - Con
2010 - Uxbridge (safe Con) - Con
2015 - Wantage (safe Con) - Lib Dem
What is this 1996?
Mr Clown was first in at 7am I voted on the way back from the school run. Judging by my voting slip number I would say early voting is up on previous elections.
Former MP was just leaving the polling station when I drove past so didn't get the chance to ask how he felt it was going.
For what it's worth the BMG poll is about where I think the polling will end up. I think Cons will be substantially up. I'm thinking a majority of 80-90, partly because of gains in Scotland. I think it will be a mixed bag for the LibDems with one or two good gains but overall no move into double figures. Hope Norman Lamb keeps his seat.
Cue those who want Corbyn to win - 'went to vote today, saw loads of students, teenagers, young 'uns, etc, massive queues at polling station...'.
Cue those who want May to win - 'went to vote today, saw long queues of the over 50s, etc, not a single voter under 40, etc, etc, etc'.
https://twitter.com/benatipsosmori/status/872751241167859712
CON 46%, 358 (+27)
LAB 35%, 215 (-17)
LD 7%, 5 (-3)
SNP 43%, 50 (-6)
PC 12%, 3
UKIP 4%, 0 (-1)
GN 3%, 1
Ulster 17
Speaker 1
The party claims:
May wins, "increasing vote by 7% and quintupling majority"
Corbyn "increased vote by 4%, and 'held the line'" (Corbyn's Svengali, Seamus Milne, wouldn't let Corbyn resign, even if Labour's vote fell into single figures. This is the closest Milne has ever got to real power, and he will keep hold of it to his last breath)
Farron disappears into the ranks of forgotton politicians, so there's no leader to come up with an excuse.
The reality.
Tories happy - a healthy majority, and Momentum will keep the Corbyn albatross round Labour's neck.
Labour left happy - Corbyn safe, so five years to change Labour's constitution to the left's advantage.
Labour moderates unhappy - five years of internal fighting ahead.
Libdems unhappy - jokes about the MPs fitting into a taxi abound, and worried about jokes about phone boxes after the following election.
TBH I don’t think the pub the students drank in HAD half-pint glasses.
I have tried to point out the inanity of the Labour costings but it should be obvious for anyone with more than two brain cells. I am also sick of my friends calling me heartless because I think capitalism works. The level of whataboutery I get regarding a specific person in a specific situation drives me around the bend - as does the idea that some Governmental system will be able to solve everyone's problems.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39952365
I was a menace on the old dog.
Slainte
Can I just say, thank you to all the candidates who are standing - especially the ones who know they are going to lose. Democracy really wouldn't work without you.
#voted
#busy
#notasbusyasbrexit
#butbusy
Were. Slightly less so after the campaign....
Which is a bigger as when Vanilla has bad times both of my favourite forums are innacessible.
https://order-order.com/2017/06/08/100-times-jeremy-corbyn-sided-terrorists/
I had considered the Tories for the full purgative pyrrhic effect that might have brought down on Corbyn had they sneaked Huddersfield on the back of a 150 majority landslide, but having spent a lot of my last 3 months witnessing the effect of the NHS meltdown on my father's treatment, the gag reflex was just too strong.
The irony is that a Tory majority above 30 but below humongous serves no purpose at all for me - neither keeps Brexit honest nor slays Corbyn, but my vote sees me fall between those stools.
misread one question so went for 1 - x rather than x.
*I know it is much much more complicated, I'm just joking
http://principalfish.co.uk/electionmaps/
Con: 350
Lab: 224
Lib: 8
SNP: 45
Con Maj 50