What problem does voting online solve? It's not hard to get to a polling station, and if it is for some reason, we have postal votes and proxy votes.
d result is immaterial to me. If someone chooses to be lazy that is their choice, we have seen young people can and do turnout when they want to, and they used to, so the method of voting is demonstrably not the problem. It's people not wanting to vote. That's what needs addressing, making young people want to vote. Corbyn may well show that can be addressed.
If the publishing industry sells fewer books, publishers would be laughed out of town if they suggested making buying books compulsory. They would rightly be told to make the product more attractive.
Voting isn't buying.
No. No one would pay money for the shit product on offer.
Abstentions are submission to the will of others. They get to choose.
Going through my choices:
1) Conservatives - no, can't vote for car crash Brexit, the most damaging decision of my lifetime.
2) Labour - no, can't vote for the dishonest and treacherous cretin.
3) UKIP - are you kidding me?
4) Green - no, not this time. Both irrelevant and far too sympathetic to this version of Labour (see 2 above)
5) Lib Dems - a socially conservative, left wing economic leader is my polar opposite. And their policy on Brexit is stupid. They're irrelevant anyway.
If that's the choice I'm offered, others can get to choose. They're all shit.
Despite your doubts (and mine) about the leader surely The Lib Dems are still your best bet in this election. They are the only party the vast majority of whose membership are essentially on the same page as you regarding Brexit.
What problem does voting online solve? It's not hard to get to a polling station, and if it is for some reason, we have postal votes and proxy votes.
Did a yougov poll a few weeks back asking about it, and how much more likely to vote I would be if I could do it online. Since I'd vote anyway I said no more likely, but even some say they would be more likely, as I say it's not hard now.
Counting would be quicker, but is the speed of the count a problem that needs solving?
Assuming it would be secure, usher current system so insecure it needs ditching?
I am pretty certain it wroups - i.e. the young would vote. You can say (if you are happy with the end result which is bwalk for 5 minutes in the rain they don't deserve a vote, but that's hard to justify - universal suffrage is what it says it is, and laziness is no more a disqualification than is being white working class with no degree (despite the secret view of the Remainers).
The end result is immaterial to me. If someone chooses to be lazy that is their choice, we have seen young people can and do turnout when they want to, and they used to, so the method of voting is demonstrably not the problem. It's people not wanting to vote. That's what needs addressing, making young people want to vote. Corbyn may well show that can be addressed.
If the publishing industry sells fewer books, publishers would be laughed out of town if they suggested making buying books compulsory. They would rightly be told to make the product more attractive.
Voting isn't buying.
No. No one would pay money for the shit product on offer.
Abstentions are submission to the will of others. They get to choose.
Going through my choices:
1) Conservatives - no, can't vote for car crash Brexit, the most damaging decision of my lifetime.
2) Labour - no, can't vote for the dishonest and treacherous cretin.
3) UKIP - are you kidding me?
4) Green - no, not this time. Both irrelevant and far too sympathetic to this version of Labour (see 2 above)
5) Lib Dems - a socially conservative, left wing economic leader is my polar opposite. .
Trouble is that a government Will be formed, none of the above is not an option. For me it came down to Brexit. May's narrow approach coupled with her clear lack of ability represents a real risk. I had to vote against that.
The big disappointment for me has been the Lib Dems. What on earth happened there?
Tim Farron. Who'd have thought he would be quite so bad?
Just about everybody
I've never been particularly impressed by him, but I had expected him to be more effective than he has been. He seemed to have positioned himself very shrewdly during the Clegg years, as the natural successor when it all went wrong. But the floundering over the religious questions - which were bound to arise, as they had two years ago - and that terrible interview with Andrew Neil make him seem absolutely clueless.
"The politically engaged are a tiny, but enthusiastic, percentage of the population. The difficulty for opinion pollsters is that they are not representative of the public. They follow politicians and political journalists on twitter, they post about politics on forums, they watch Newsnight and the Daily Politics, digest the info and answer polls. They like to show off their understanding and want everyone/anyone to know that A GREAT DEAL OF THOUGHT HAS GONE INTO THIS. As most men in the pub discuss football, they are online discussing politics. While the man in the pub will generally quite bluntly say who he (always) votes for when asked, the politically engaged find such partisan loyalty an affront to critical thinking - being seen to be "undecided" is a badge of honour, it shows they are a serious person. They admire intellectual reasoning and put a high price on their vote, so when the chance comes to answer questions on how they think and why, it's like giving someone a big line of cocaine and asking them to talk about themselves. Political obsessives are the material of opinion polls, but not the fabric of the nation. It could be that in showing off about doing their homework, giving the "clever" answer rather than what they actually intend to do, they are making the polls less accurate." http://aboutasfarasdelgados.blogspot.co.uk/
My bets, not many as I am not as confident political betting as most one here:
Sold Lib Dem seats at 34 with Spreadex when the market first went up, looks like a classic bit of aftertiming as I was not on the site at the time, but I did email both Robert and isam and asked them to post it on here.
Sold Labour seats a couple of days ago at 204, bit risky but just can't be having Corbyn.
Backed over 7.5 Conservative seats in Scotland at 1.91, biggish bet for me.
What problem does voting online solve? It's not hard to get to a polling station, and if it is for some reason, we have postal votes and proxy votes.
Did a yougov poll a few weeks back asking about it, and how much more likely to vote I would be if I could do it online. Since I'd vote anyway I said no more likely, but even some say they would be more likely, as I say it's not hard now.
Counting would be quicker, but is the speed of the count a problem that needs solving?
Assuming it would be secure, usher current system so insecure it needs ditching?
I am pretty certain it would bring turnout into line across all age groups - i.e. the young would vote. You can say (if you are happy with the end result which is bad for Lab/good for con) that if they can't be arsed to walk for 5 minutes in the rain they don't deserve a vote, but that's hard to justify - universal suffrage is what it says it is, and laziness is no more a disqualification than is being white working class with no degree (despite the secret view of the Remainers).
The end result is immaterial to me. If someone chooses to be lazy that is their choice, we have seen young people can and do turnout when they want to, and they used to, so the method of voting is demonstrably not the problem. It's people not wanting to vote. That's what needs addressing, making young people want to vote. Corbyn may well show that can be addressed.
If the publishing industry sells fewer books, publishers would be laughed out of town if they suggested making buying books compulsory. They would rightly be told to make the product more attractive.
Voting isn't buying.
No. No one would pay money for the shit product on offer.
Abstentions are submission to the will of others. They get to choose.
Going through my choices:
1) Conservatives - no, can't vote for car crash Brexit, the most damaging decision of my lifetime.
2) Labour - no, can't vote for the dishonest and treacherous cretin.
3) UKIP - are you kidding me?
4) Green - no, not this time. Both irrelevant and far too sympathetic to this version of Labour (see 2 above)
5) Lib Dems - a socially conservative, left wing economic leader is my polar opposite. And their policy on Brexit is stupid. They're irrelevant anyway.
If that's the choice I'm offered, others can get to choose. They're all shit.
My vote-swap vote is being cast in Twickenham CON-LD marginal. My actual vote in Bedford CON-LAB marginal.
What's a vote-swap vote?
A despicable attempt to foist an MP on another constituency that they haven't voted for
People can vote for whatever reason they choose, and many of them will be stupid. Convinced by a PEB? Very stupid to be swayed by a 3 minute propaganda video. Convinced by a gaffe from a senior politician? Very stupid as they're not even your MP and what about the overall message. Convinced because 30 years ago they opposed teaching of homosexuality in schools?stupid as maybe they've done a 180 and are now a fearsome equality advocate. Didn't like the candidate's accent, they're not local, didn't work a proper job, stabbed brother in the back, they support a policy you dislike (but really they don't), you misunderstand what's being offered.
Any number of silly reasons peopke choose to vote. Doing so at behest of sone some bloke in Bedford is no different as it is still you Voting in your constituency as you Choose, so still a local voting as they decide.
The intention is quite different: it's basically saying "My voice is more important than anyone else's"
The rules are simple: local people should choose an MP to represent their local area.
In this case a bloke in Bedford wants more LibDem MPs in the national parliament, He thinks that's more important than people in Twickenham getting to select a Tory MP if that's that they want to do (and vice versa for his counterpart). He is prioritizing himself above other citizens.
@freetochoose It's legal, but subverting the very nature of our democracy. If people don't like the rules of the game they should persuade a majority to MPs to change them
It's worse than that - there's some woman from Maidenhead who wants more Tories in Parliament. She seems to think it's more important than people in Oxford and Abingdon getting to select a Lib Dem MP if that's what they want to do. She's been sending leaflets to voters in Oxford and Abingdon telling them how to vote, and for resons very divergent to just local MP reasons.
It's horrifying in its subversion of our democracy. She even turned up in person a few weeks back and wandered around Abingdon market trying to tell people how to vote.
So, anyone here having doubts about a Con majority?
Yes - me, as I said a few days ago, even before the estimable Mr Herdson's post.
I do not like Mr Corbyn and what he stands for but there is no doubt that he has run a much more effective campaign than anyone expected. Whether it is effective in terms of winning seats / votes we shall see.
The big disappointment for me has been the Lib Dems. What on earth happened there?
I have been saying for ages that the Tory Remainers would not depart to Farron. The dog that did not bark this election - and was never going to. A Basenji of a strategy.
And the timing of the election was awful for the LibDems. A leader who has not connected with the electorate, with no discernible policies other than "Stop Brexit!!!" An election in 2020 would have given them time to get some policies - and possibly a new leader.
Many people (may be afew?) voted last year to kick the establishment in the nuts having not apparently suffered from it might just like to have another go and take a risk free shot and it'll wipe the smirk off their faces. Now who are they going to vote for when they find the nice mr farage isnt standing? Well I doubt it will be for May.
My vote-swap vote is being cast in Twickenham CON-LD marginal. My actual vote in Bedford CON-LAB marginal.
What's a vote-swap vote?
A despicable attempt to foist an MP on another constituency that they haven't voted for
People can vote for whatever reason they choose, and many of them will be stupid. Convinced by a PEB? Very stupid to be swayed by a 3 minute propaganda video. Convinced by a gaffe from a senior politician? Very stupid as they're not even your MP and what about the overall message. Convinced because 30 years ago they opposed teaching of homosexuality in schools?stupid as maybe they've done a 180 and are now a fearsome equality advocate. Didn't like the candidate's accent, they're not local, didn't work a proper job, stabbed brother in the back, they support a policy you dislike (but really they don't), you misunderstand what's being offered.
Any number of silly reasons peopke choose to vote. Doing so at behest of sone some bloke in Bedford is no different as it is still you Voting in your constituency as you Choose, so still a local voting as they decide.
The intention is quite different: it's basically saying "My voice is more important than anyone else's"
The rules are simple: local people should choose an MP to represent their local area.
In this case a bloke in Bedford wants more LibDem MPs in the national parliament, He thinks that's more important than people in Twickenham getting to select a Tory MP if that's that they want to do (and vice versa for his counterpart). He is prioritizing himself above other citizens.
@freetochoose It's legal, but subverting the very nature of our democracy. If people don't like the rules of the game they should persuade a majority to MPs to change them
It's worse than that - there's some woman from Maidenhead who wants more Tories in Parliament. She seems to think it's more important than people in Oxford and Abingdon getting to select a Lib Dem MP if that's what they want to do. She's been sending leaflets to voters in Oxford and Abingdon telling them how to vote, and for resons very divergent to just local MP reasons.
It's horrifying in its subversion of our democracy. She even turned up in person a few weeks back and wandered around Abingdon market trying to tell people how to vote.
LOL
The OxWAb market place visit went well for her, as I recall.
My vote-swap vote is being cast in Twickenham CON-LD marginal. My actual vote in Bedford CON-LAB marginal.
What's a vote-swap vote?
A despicable attempt to foist an MP on another constituency that they haven't voted for
People can vote for whatever reason they choose, and many of them will be stupid. Convinced by a PEB? Very stupid to be swayed by a 3 minute propaganda video. Convinced by a gaffe from a senior politician? Very stupid as they're not even your MP and what about the overall message. Convinced because 30 years ago they opposed teaching of homosexuality in schools?stupid as maybe they've done a 180 and are now a fearsome equality advocate. Didn't like the candidate's accent, they're not local, didn't work a proper job, stabbed brother in the back, they support a policy you dislike (but really they don't), you misunderstand what's being offered.
Any number of silly reasons peopke choose to vote. Doing so at behest of sone some bloke in Bedford is no different as it is still you Voting in your constituency as you Choose, so still a local voting as they decide.
The intention is quite different: it's basically saying "My voice is more important than anyone else's"
The rules are simple: local people should choose an MP to represent their local area.
In this case a bloke in Bedford wants more LibDem MPs in the national parliament, He thinks that's more important than people in Twickenham getting to select a Tory MP if that's that they want to do (and vice versa for his counterpart). He is prioritizing himself above other citizens.
@freetochoose It's legal, but subverting the very nature of our democracy. If people don't like the rules of the game they should persuade a majority to MPs to change them
It's worse than that - there's some woman from Maidenhead who wants more Tories in Parliament. She seems to think it's more important than people in Oxford and Abingdon getting to select a Lib Dem MP if that's what they want to do. She's been sending leaflets to voters in Oxford and Abingdon telling them how to vote, and for resons very divergent to just local MP reasons.
It's horrifying in its subversion of our democracy. She even turned up in person a few weeks back and wandered around Abingdon market trying to tell people how to vote.
To be fair to the woman from Maidenhead, she's mainly been telling Tory activists how to vote.
My vote-swap vote is being cast in Twickenham CON-LD marginal. My actual vote in Bedford CON-LAB marginal.
What's a vote-swap vote?
A despicable attempt to foist an MP on another constituency that they haven't voted for
People can vote for whatever reason they choose, and many of them will be stupid. Convinced by a PEB? Very stupid to be swayed by a 3 minute propaganda video. Convinced by a gaffe from a senior politician? Very stupid as they're not even your MP and what about the overall message. Convinced because 30 years ago they opposed teaching of homosexuality in schools?stupid as maybe they've done a 180 and are now a fearsome equality advocate. Didn't like the candidate's accent, they're not local, didn't work a proper job, stabbed brother in the back, they support a policy you dislike (but really they don't), you misunderstand what's being offered.
Any number of silly reasons peopke choose to vote. Doing so at behest of sone some bloke in Bedford is no different as it is still you Voting in your constituency as you Choose, so still a local voting as they decide.
The intention is quite different: it's basically saying "My voice is more important than anyone else's"
The rules are simple: local people should choose an MP to represent their local area.
In this case a bloke in Bedford wants more LibDem MPs in the national parliament, He thinks that's more important than people in Twickenham getting to select a Tory MP if that's that they want to do (and vice versa for his counterpart). He is prioritizing himself above other citizens.
@freetochoose It's legal, but subverting the very nature of our democracy. If people don't like the rules of the game they should persuade a majority to MPs to change them
It's worse than that - there's some woman from Maidenhead who wants more Tories in Parliament. She seems to think it's more important than people in Oxford and Abingdon getting to select a Lib Dem MP if that's what they want to do. She's been sending leaflets to voters in Oxford and Abingdon telling them how to vote, and for resons very divergent to just local MP reasons.
It's horrifying in its subversion of our democracy. She even turned up in person a few weeks back and wandered around Abingdon market trying to tell people how to vote.
Fear not - she has a nemesis. A bald man who keeps in the shadows, but who also sends out leaflets to voters, gently steering people where to vote tactically (so that his bets might come in, suggest some less than generous souls....)
Mrs Fleet is hoping for a less eventful day in the polling station than at the locals, when a voter in a mobility scooter ran amok after pressing the joystick in the wrong direction and pinned the table, polling equipment, Presiding officer and Polling clerks to the wall.
The big disappointment for me has been the Lib Dems. What on earth happened there?
Tim Farron. Who'd have thought he would be quite so bad?
Just about everybody
I've never been particularly impressed by him, but I had expected him to be more effective than he has been. He seemed to have positioned himself very shrewdly during the Clegg years, as the natural successor when it all went wrong. But the floundering over the religious questions - which were bound to arise, as they had two years ago - and that terrible interview with Andrew Neil make him seem absolutely clueless.
It's like Nuttall, I like him and his interview with Neil was very good, but all the wider electorate hear about is Hillsborough etc. Farron wants to reverse the result of a referendum, the general public doesn't like that sort of thing.
My vote-swap vote is being cast in Twickenham CON-LD marginal. My actual vote in Bedford CON-LAB marginal.
What's a vote-swap vote?
A despicable attempt to foist an MP on another constituency that they haven't voted for
People can vote for whatever reason they choose, and many of them will be stupid. Convinced by a PEB? Very stupid to be swayed by a 3 minute propaganda video. Convinced by a gaffe from a senior politician? Very stupid as they're not even your MP and what about the overall message. Convinced because 30 years ago they opposed teaching of homosexuality in schools?stupid as maybe they've done a 180 and are now a fearsome equality advocate. Didn't like the candidate's accent, they're not local, didn't work a proper job, stabbed brother in the back, they support a policy you dislike (but really they don't), you misunderstand what's being offered.
Any number of silly reasons peopke choose to vote. Doing so at behest of sone some bloke in Bedford is no different as it is still you Voting in your constituency as you Choose, so still a local voting as they decide.
The intention is quite different: it's basically saying "My voice is more important than anyone else's"
The rules are simple: local people should choose an MP to represent their local area.
In this case a bloke in Bedford wants more LibDem MPs in the national parliament, He thinks that's more important than people in Twickenham getting to select a Tory MP if that's that they want to do (and vice versa for his counterpart). He is prioritizing himself above other citizens.
@freetochoose It's legal, but subverting the very nature of our democracy. If people don't like the rules of the game they should persuade a majority to MPs to change them
It's worse than that - there's some woman from Maidenhead who wants more Tories in Parliament. She seems to think it's more important than people in Oxford and Abingdon getting to select a Lib Dem MP if that's what they want to do. She's been sending leaflets to voters in Oxford and Abingdon telling them how to vote, and for resons very divergent to just local MP reasons.
It's horrifying in its subversion of our democracy. She even turned up in person a few weeks back and wandered around Abingdon market trying to tell people how to vote.
The LD campaign suffered partly from the leader's shortcomings but the fundamental problem was terrible stategic decisions. The Brexit line and emphasis is one. The biggest mistake was not to go all guns blazing after Corbyn and by implilication be the sensible non-Tory option. I think they will pick up some last minute crosses from anti-Corbyn centre left voters who can't bring themselves to vote Tory.
Queue: none Voters: one (me) Weather: raining stairods.
cardiff central?
Polling Station Staffordshire Moorlands Weather: overcast and damp. Voters: eight arrive with my wife and myself, another six or so leave as we walk up the path, and another four pass us on the way out of the station ...
I don't agree with vote swapping. Effectively it means that you have feelings and beliefs in a party but are willing to traduced them by voting for another party in the hope that a stranger will do the same. So you're expecting two traitors to act honourably-weird.
Dante had a large circle especially reserved for traitors.
My vote-swap vote is being cast in Twickenham CON-LD marginal. My actual vote in Bedford CON-LAB marginal.
What's a vote-swap vote?
A despicable attempt to foist an MP on another constituency that they haven't voted for
People can vote for whatever reason they choose, and many of them will be stupid. Convinced by a PEB? Very stupid to be swayed by a 3 minute propaganda video. Convinced by a gaffe from a senior politician? Very stupid as they're not even your MP and what about the overall message. Convinced because 30 years ago they opposed teaching of homosexuality in schools?stupid as maybe they've done a 180 and are now a fearsome equality advocate. Didn't like the candidate's accent, they're not local, didn't work a proper job, stabbed brother in the back, they support a policy you dislike (but really they don't), you misunderstand what's being offered.
Any number of silly reasons peopke choose to vote. Doing so at behest of sone some bloke in Bedford is no different as it is still you Voting in your constituency as you Choose, so still a local voting as they decide.
The intention is quite different: it's basically saying "My voice is more important than anyone else's"
The rules are simple: local people should choose an MP to represent their local area.
In this case a bloke in Bedford wants more LibDem MPs in the national parliament, He thinks that's more important than people in Twickenham getting to select a Tory MP if that's that they want to do (and vice versa for his counterpart). He is prioritizing himself above other citizens.
@freetochoose It's legal, but subverting the very nature of our democracy. If people don't like the rules of the game they should persuade a majority to MPs to change them
It's worse than that - there's some woman from Maidenhead who wants more Tories in Parliament. She seems to think it's more important than people in Oxford and Abingdon getting to select a Lib Dem MP if that's what they want to do. She's been sending leaflets to voters in Oxford and Abingdon telling them how to vote, and for resons very divergent to just local MP reasons.
It's horrifying in its subversion of our democracy. She even turned up in person a few weeks back and wandered around Abingdon market trying to tell people how to vote.
LOL
The OxWAb market place visit went well for her, as I recall.
One of our locals gave her a piece of her mind on TV, yes. The Maidenhead woman hasn't been back since.
It is going to be an interesting evening. My bottle of wine is chilling and the munchies are at the ready.
I must remember to pop over to the Polling Station.
My missus is going out for a meal with a couple of her mates this evening, so I will order a curry from my favourite Indian Restautant (Maliks in Gerrards Cross), have a couple of beers before starting on the red wine.
Second email this morning from Nicola just now asking for GOTV help in OxWAb.... ominous for the blues I'd have thought.
Same, just driven through Abingdon, turnout is looking relatively high judging by people walking in/out. The town itself should go heavily LD based on the council elections.
No, a line through all the boxes and I wrote "ABSTAIN IN PERSON" in a box on the rest of the ballot paper.
I'm not going to pretend I didn't think about it.
I feel like doing the same, especially as here they do not need to count the Tory vote - just measure the thickness of the pile with a ruler marked in feet usually does the trick
I don't agree with vote swapping. Effectively it means that you have feelings and beliefs in a party but are willing to traduced them by voting for another party in the hope that a stranger will do the same. So you're expecting two traitors to act honourably-weird.
Dante had a large circle especially reserved for traitors.
Sometimes you have to channel your inner Peter Mandelson though.
Second email this morning from Nicola just now asking for GOTV help in OxWAb.... ominous for the blues I'd have thought.
They'll be pre-scheduled emails; I've been asked to help GOTV in a seat with a 30K Tory majority. Tory activity online and by email shouldn't be seen as worry - it should be seen as effective e-marketing.
My vote-swap vote is being cast in Twickenham CON-LD marginal. My actual vote in Bedford CON-LAB marginal.
What's a vote-swap vote?
A despicable attempt to foist an MP on another constituency that they haven't voted for
People can vote for whatever reason they choose, and many of them will be stupid. Convinced by a PEB? Very stupid to be swayed by a 3 minute propaganda video. Convinced by a gaffe from a senior politician? Very stupid as they're not even your MP and what about the overall message. Convinced because 30 years ago they opposed teaching of homosexuality in schools?stupid as maybe they've done a 180 and are now a fearsome equality advocate. Didn't like the candidate's accent, they're not local, didn't work a proper job, stabbed brother in the back, they support a policy you dislike (but really they don't), you misunderstand what's being offered.
Any number of silly reasons peopke choose to vote. Doing so at behest of sone some bloke in Bedford is no different as it is still you Voting in your constituency as you Choose, so still a local voting as they decide.
The intention is quite different: it's basically saying "My voice is more important than anyone else's"
The rules are simple: local people should choose an MP to represent their local area.
In this case a bloke in Bedford wants more LibDem MPs in the national parliament, He thinks that's more important than people in Twickenham getting to select a Tory MP if that's that they want to do (and vice versa for his counterpart). He is prioritizing himself above other citizens.
@freetochoose It's legal, but subverting the very nature of our democracy. If people don't like the rules of the game they should persuade a majority to MPs to change them
It's worse than that - there's some woman from Maidenhead who wants more Tories in Parliament. She seems to think it's more important than people in Oxford and Abingdon getting to select a Lib Dem MP if that's what they want to do. She's been sending leaflets to voters in Oxford and Abingdon telling them how to vote, and for resons very divergent to just local MP reasons.
It's horrifying in its subversion of our democracy. She even turned up in person a few weeks back and wandered around Abingdon market trying to tell people how to vote.
Fear not - she has a nemesis. A bald man who keeps in the shadows ...
Seriously, Labour leaners, you are happy to support this vile excuse of a human being?
The good thing is that in the future when some tedious leftie starts banging on about some trivial thing someone on the right has said, we will be able to throw Corbyn the terrorist sympathiser back in their face.
I don't agree with vote swapping. Effectively it means that you have feelings and beliefs in a party but are willing to traduced them by voting for another party in the hope that a stranger will do the same. So you're expecting two traitors to act honourably-weird.
Dante had a large circle especially reserved for traitors.
Sometimes you have to channel your inner Peter Mandelson though.
Is that a coalition of chaos in your avatar? That woman from Maidenhead was warning about that sort of thing.
I don't agree with vote swapping. Effectively it means that you have feelings and beliefs in a party but are willing to traduced them by voting for another party in the hope that a stranger will do the same. So you're expecting two traitors to act honourably-weird.
Dante had a large circle especially reserved for traitors.
Sometimes you have to channel your inner Peter Mandelson though.
If people are so concerned they can move to a marginal constituency. It seems a bit rich living in a pleasant part of the world in a safe seat but wanting someone in a less fortunate part of the world to vote against their beliefs. Not everyone regards a GE as a game. It decides the direction of the country for the next 5 years
I don’t currently bet and I’m not nearly as interested in the details of politics as many of the people on this site. Nonetheless, I occasionally visit because comments here are often more astute than most paid media political columnists can manage. Also funnier.
So I’ve been surprised that, as far as I can see, no one has spelled out in so many words what Corbyn’s Labour may really be about (if someone has already done this and I’ve missed it, I apologise). It seems obvious that Labour’s manifesto can never be put into practice and that it was never intended that it would be. Should Labour come to government, it’s inevitable that there’ll be an immediate and acute financial crisis, followed soon afterwards by a crippling economic crisis. Government won’t have enough money for current spending, let alone the extravagant promises in Labour’s manifesto. Despite this, the media (and the Conservatives) has discussed the proposals as though they were plausible...
“So Mr Corbyn, you plan to build a star-ship and fly to Alpha Centauri in 20 minutes. How will you get there so quickly?” “Oh, we’ll bend space and time using black holes, dark energy and warp drives, sort out those pesky time-travel paradoxes and for the first time provide faster-than-light travel for the proletariat”. “Well Mr Corbyn, I’m sure that’s all very well – quite beyond me - but I really must press you on the important question to which people want answers... will we get sandwiches?” (I imagine John Humphrys as the interviewer but it could be almost any one of them).
Which brings up the obvious question – the Mrs Merton question: “So Jeremy Corbyn (admirer of Lenin and Trotsky), John McDonnell (Marxist) and Seamus Milne (Stalinist), why would you put forward a manifesto filled with bribes to get as many people as possible to vote for you which you’ll never have a chance to put into practice because you’ll have no money, the economy will be in ruins, leading to civil disorder and a state of emergency in which the government will assume draconian powers, future elections will be cancelled and opposition will be outlawed, leaving you in power indefinitely? No, no don’t tell me...I’ll get it in a minute...um...oh...ah...now I get it...damn”
Many people will vote Labour with good intentions. But I’m struggling to find a metaphor in which someone shoots themselves and their family and friends in the head with good intentions. Corbyn et al have made clear their intentions throughout their political careers. Over the years I’ve voted Tory, Labour and none-of-the above. Usually I’ve thought it didn’t matter a great deal one way or another. This time it does. If you vote Labour and Corbyn forms a government, there’s a good chance you’ll regret it. “Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow. But soon. And for the rest of your life”.
It decides the direction of the country for the next 5 years
Of course it does, that is why I'm doing what I'm doing - there is no way on God's green earth Corbyn is getting in on my watch. No chance, no chance at all.
Second email this morning from Nicola just now asking for GOTV help in OxWAb.... ominous for the blues I'd have thought.
They'll be pre-scheduled emails; I've been asked to help GOTV in a seat with a 30K Tory majority. Tory activity online and by email shouldn't be seen as worry - it should be seen as effective e-marketing.
Dr Sarah Wollaston has been doing the same in the last couple of days with her (last time) 18k majority.....over UKIP. Just good organisation.
Morning all, any signs of this youth tsunami yet for those that have voted this morning? I guess it is still pretty early so they could still be in bed.
Morning all, any signs of this youth tsunami yet for those that have voted this morning? I guess it is still pretty early so they could still be in bed.
My 2 lads who still live at home are not bothering
I am pleased to report that my contact in a polling station in a tiny, hugely exclusive rural hamlet just outside Faringdon in Oxfordshire tells us that around 20% of his electors have already voted, mostly utilising zimmer frames, and there is nary a corbynista to be seen. Also some sparrows are behaving in a lewd fashion in the village hall bird bath and a B1 bomber just flew overhead on the way to Fairford. Hope this helps.
Morning all, any signs of this youth tsunami yet for those that have voted this morning? I guess it is still pretty early so they could still be in bed.
I suspect you'd only see signs at lunch/in the evening.
Steady to brisk at my polling station it appears, only the oldies though. I'll be voting later.
Anecdote time. My parents have had 5 pieces of communication from the blues, they are in the suburban bit of Norwich South. Also had a visit from the Tory candidate who they say is a lovely woman who reported vandalism to her placards etc. Consequently I am of the impression there is a much much stronger shy Tory vote than I had assumed. The antagonistic approach from momentumers is driving, I think, numbers quietly for blue. Not me, I might add. I'm immune to such things
The Green party is optimistic of a gain in the Isle of Wight having mobilized the anti-Tory vote.Both Tory MP and Tory party highly unpopular.16-1 best priced Bet365.12-1 WH.Andrew Turner would be an excellent Tory scalp.
104 years ago to the day, Emily Davison died after throwing herself under the King's horse at Epsom Derby.
Let's hope no one chucks themself under a horse at Sandown this evening due to the paucity of talent & principle for which they can vote.
I very much hope they don't too.
But should anyone be thinking of it, heaven forbid, would you mind doing so under Splash Around in the 6.30? It's just that I have a tenner on Utopian Dream, and it would do me a tremendous favour. Thanks.
I don’t currently bet and I’m not nearly as interested in the details of politics as many of the people on this site. Nonetheless, I occasionally visit because comments here are often more astute than most paid media political columnists can manage. Also funnier.
So I’ve been surprised that, as far as I can see, no one has spelled out in so many words what Corbyn’s Labour may really be about (if someone has already done this and I’ve missed it, I apologise). It seems obvious that Labour’s manifesto can never be put into practice and that it was never intended that it would be. Should Labour come to government, it’s inevitable that there’ll be an immediate and acute financial crisis, followed soon afterwards by a crippling economic crisis. Government won’t have enough money for current spending, let alone the extravagant promises in Labour’s manifesto. Despite this, the media (and the Conservatives) has discussed the proposals as though they were plausible...
“So Mr Corbyn, you plan to build a star-ship and fly to Alpha Centauri in 20 minutes. How will you get there so quickly?” “Oh, we’ll bend space and time using black holes, dark energy and warp drives, sort out those pesky time-travel paradoxes and for the first time provide faster-than-light travel for the proletariat”. “Well Mr Corbyn, I’m sure that’s all very well – quite beyond me - but I really must press you on the important question to which people want answers... will we get sandwiches?” (I imagine John Humphrys as the interviewer but it could be almost any one of them).
Which brings up the obvious question – the Mrs Merton question: “So Jeremy Corbyn (admirer of Lenin and Trotsky), John McDonnell (Marxist) and Seamus Milne (Stalinist), why would you put forward a manifesto filled with bribes to get as many people as possible to vote for you which you’ll never have a chance to put into practice because you’ll have no money, the economy will be in ruins, leading to civil disorder and a state of emergency in which the government will assume draconian powers, future elections will be cancelled and opposition will be outlawed, leaving you in power indefinitely? No, no don’t tell me...I’ll get it in a minute...um...oh...ah...now I get it...damn”
Many people will vote Labour with good intentions. But I’m struggling to find a metaphor in which someone shoots themselves and their family and friends in the head with good intentions. Corbyn et al have made clear their intentions throughout their political careers. Over the years I’ve voted Tory, Labour and none-of-the above. Usually I’ve thought it didn’t matter a great deal one way or another. This time it does. If you vote Labour and Corbyn forms a government, there’s a good chance you’ll regret it. “Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow. But soon. And for the rest of your life”.
Morning all, any signs of this youth tsunami yet for those that have voted this morning? I guess it is still pretty early so they could still be in bed.
I suspect you'd only see signs at lunch/in the evening.
Steady to brisk at my polling station it appears, only the oldies though. I'll be voting later.
Morning all, any signs of this youth tsunami yet for those that have voted this morning? I guess it is still pretty early so they could still be in bed.
I live in York Outer a safe Conservative seat in this suburb , I have never seen a Labour poster as it always used to be Lib Dem. I think regarding the neighbours it must be their children who are now in their twenties.
Just voted, earlier than usual. Very few posters or suchlike on the way, far fewer than usual. Just a couple extra for Andrea Jenkyns. Polling station was busier than I've ever seen it, but the vast majority were on the elder side (out of 20, there was me and one other bloke who wouldn't qualify for a free bus pass).
Unsure it means much, but thought I'd mention it. Higher turnout here might be due to the tightness of the seat, if turnout is actually on the up.
The Green party is optimistic of a gain in the Isle of Wight having mobilized the anti-Tory vote.Both Tory MP and Tory party highly unpopular.16-1 best priced Bet365.12-1 WH.Andrew Turner would be an excellent Tory scalp.
The Green party is optimistic of a gain in the Isle of Wight having mobilized the anti-Tory vote.Both Tory MP and Tory party highly unpopular.16-1 best priced Bet365.12-1 WH.Andrew Turner would be an excellent Tory scalp.
Andrew Turner was ousted as Tory candidate, it was very high profile on the Island. Greens fighting for second but will be miles behind the Cons. Theresa May very popular in that neck of the woods.
I am pleased to report that my contact in a polling station in a tiny, hugely exclusive rural hamlet just outside Faringdon in Oxfordshire tells us that around 20% of his electors have already voted, mostly utilising zimmer frames, and there is nary a corbynista to be seen. Also some sparrows are behaving in a lewd fashion in the village hall bird bath and a B1 bomber just flew overhead on the way to Fairford. Hope this helps.
The B1 is on standby, lest the Corbynistas venture out.
I am pleased to report that my contact in a polling station in a tiny, hugely exclusive rural hamlet just outside Faringdon in Oxfordshire tells us that around 20% of his electors have already voted, mostly utilising zimmer frames, and there is nary a corbynista to be seen. Also some sparrows are behaving in a lewd fashion in the village hall bird bath and a B1 bomber just flew overhead on the way to Fairford. Hope this helps.
The B1 is on standby, lest the Corbynistas venture out.
Well in Thornbury and Yate I supported the libdems. If it had been close I would have considered lending my vote to the Tories as I cannot stand Corbyn. My primary reason for supporting the libdems is that I think we need to fund our public services better and that means we all need to be adult about it and to pay more in taxes to do the right thing. The labour fantasy that somehow 90% of people won't be affected by more taxes is something that I find deeply insulting and believe it would be counter productive.
I am pleased to report that my contact in a polling station in a tiny, hugely exclusive rural hamlet just outside Faringdon in Oxfordshire tells us that around 20% of his electors have already voted, mostly utilising zimmer frames, and there is nary a corbynista to be seen. Also some sparrows are behaving in a lewd fashion in the village hall bird bath and a B1 bomber just flew overhead on the way to Fairford. Hope this helps.
The B1 is on standby, lest the Corbynistas venture out.
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Sold Lib Dem seats at 34 with Spreadex when the market first went up, looks like a classic bit of aftertiming as I was not on the site at the time, but I did email both Robert and isam and asked them to post it on here.
Sold Labour seats a couple of days ago at 204, bit risky but just can't be having Corbyn.
Backed over 7.5 Conservative seats in Scotland at 1.91, biggish bet for me.
Unlike the prime minister, Corbyn came without a polling card, spouse or leopard-print shoes.
And the timing of the election was awful for the LibDems. A leader who has not connected with the electorate, with no discernible policies other than "Stop Brexit!!!" An election in 2020 would have given them time to get some policies - and possibly a new leader.
I'm not going to pretend I didn't think about it.
http://scotgoespop.blogspot.co.uk/2017/06/devastation-for-davidson-as-full-scale.html
I must remember to pop over to the Polling Station.
Weather: overcast and damp.
Voters: eight arrive with my wife and myself, another six or so leave as we walk up the path, and another four pass us on the way out of the station ...
Dante had a large circle especially reserved for traitors.
saw this
https://order-order.com/2017/06/08/100-times-jeremy-corbyn-sided-terrorists/
Seriously, Labour leaners, you are happy to support this vile excuse of a human being?
The Maidenhead woman hasn't been back since.
See, I voted the way The Daily Mail wanted Tories to do so.
Just remembered Vi Coactus is a very Kipperish thing to do, ugh.
https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/politics/resignation-reluctant-ukip-leader-diane-james-paves-way-new-ballot-fresh-infighting/
http://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/cerberuss-election-prediction-overall-conservative-majority-76/
Seems high on SNP turnips - I mean seats
I gather you are feeling confident about our bet then?
But I am in a generous mood. You can cash out for £30 any time before the polls close if you want
So I’ve been surprised that, as far as I can see, no one has spelled out in so many words what Corbyn’s Labour may really be about (if someone has already done this and I’ve missed it, I apologise). It seems obvious that Labour’s manifesto can never be put into practice and that it was never intended that it would be. Should Labour come to government, it’s inevitable that there’ll be an immediate and acute financial crisis, followed soon afterwards by a crippling economic crisis. Government won’t have enough money for current spending, let alone the extravagant promises in Labour’s manifesto. Despite this, the media (and the Conservatives) has discussed the proposals as though they were plausible...
“So Mr Corbyn, you plan to build a star-ship and fly to Alpha Centauri in 20 minutes. How will you get there so quickly?” “Oh, we’ll bend space and time using black holes, dark energy and warp drives, sort out those pesky time-travel paradoxes and for the first time provide faster-than-light travel for the proletariat”. “Well Mr Corbyn, I’m sure that’s all very well – quite beyond me - but I really must press you on the important question to which people want answers... will we get sandwiches?” (I imagine John Humphrys as the interviewer but it could be almost any one of them).
Which brings up the obvious question – the Mrs Merton question: “So Jeremy Corbyn (admirer of Lenin and Trotsky), John McDonnell (Marxist) and Seamus Milne (Stalinist), why would you put forward a manifesto filled with bribes to get as many people as possible to vote for you which you’ll never have a chance to put into practice because you’ll have no money, the economy will be in ruins, leading to civil disorder and a state of emergency in which the government will assume draconian powers, future elections will be cancelled and opposition will be outlawed, leaving you in power indefinitely? No, no don’t tell me...I’ll get it in a minute...um...oh...ah...now I get it...damn”
Many people will vote Labour with good intentions. But I’m struggling to find a metaphor in which someone shoots themselves and their family and friends in the head with good intentions. Corbyn et al have made clear their intentions throughout their political careers. Over the years I’ve voted Tory, Labour and none-of-the above. Usually I’ve thought it didn’t matter a great deal one way or another. This time it does. If you vote Labour and Corbyn forms a government, there’s a good chance you’ll regret it. “Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow. But soon. And for the rest of your life”.
Welcome and a very good first post
Only two forecasts have the Lib Dems in double figures. Meanwhile, you can still back them for 3.2 under 10 seats on Betfair.
https://capx.co/there-is-only-one-way-to-vote-at-this-election/
Even the one who hates Corbyn
'Smash tomorrow'? At last, an honest Tory.
Steady to brisk at my polling station it appears, only the oldies though. I'll be voting later.
Consequently I am of the impression there is a much much stronger shy Tory vote than I had assumed. The antagonistic approach from momentumers is driving, I think, numbers quietly for blue.
Not me, I might add. I'm immune to such things
"Turnout up on normal for this time of day" in the Llanfynydd ward of Alyn & Deeside constituency.
I saw no yoof though.
"Turnout up on normal for this time of day" in the Llanfynydd ward of Alyn & Deeside constituency.
I saw no yoof though.
But should anyone be thinking of it, heaven forbid, would you mind doing so under Splash Around in the 6.30? It's just that I have a tenner on Utopian Dream, and it would do me a tremendous favour. Thanks.
Unsure it means much, but thought I'd mention it. Higher turnout here might be due to the tightness of the seat, if turnout is actually on the up.
Online newspaper poll.
Andrew Turner isn't running anyway, Bob Seely will romp home.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/12192292/Jeremy-Corbyn-and-the-mosque-leader-who-blames-the-UK-for-Isil.html