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On the Mumbai/Bombay discussion, we all call it Bombay at home, my family in India all call it Bombay and most of my Indian friends call it Bombay. Mumbai is almost exclusively used by white people not wishing to offend Indians, most of whom don't care.0
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Is Bombay mix still called Bombay mix?MaxPB said:On the Mumbai/Bombay discussion, we all call it Bombay at home, my family in India all call it Bombay and most of my Indian friends call it Bombay. Mumbai is almost exclusively used by white people not wishing to offend Indians, most of whom don't care.
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There was that bloke in Cumbria a few years ago, but thankfully such incidents in this country are few and far between.Richard_Tyndall said:
To be honest it was not that easy to get them beforehand. And it is still legal and possible to buy rifles as well of course as shotguns. The difference being we do have a pretty effective licencing system for them. But I do fear a terrorist attack using a shotgun because of the consequences it might have for all the legal, law abiding owners.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yup, after Dunblane it is very difficult to get a guns/rifles in this country.tlg86 said:
Yes, it's starting to sound like stabbings only. Horrible, but it would continue to suggest that getting guns without being caught is still quite difficult.Quincel said:We'll know in the cold light of dawn, but it isn't clear to me that any official or police source has said the attackers have guns. References to 'shots fired', but possibly all by police. Hopefully just stabbings, which are horrific but generally less fatal to less people.
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A travel ban is a no-brainer but look at the uproar when Trump tried to implement one. Liberals still set the agenda.HYUFD said:
I doubt it will make much difference other than maybe seeing a slight shift of any white working class voters who have moved from the Tories to Labour back to the Tories and maybe boost UKIP's score a little. However clearly we need a tougher response, whether tagging all known extremists, a travel ban to and from Libya and Syria without special permission etcChameleon said:
Au contraire. People could think that her approach has failed.FattyBolger said:TMay now one Churchillian speech away from a landside..
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Nobody seems to have any info about Vauxhall0
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This Bombay/Mumbai discussion is just weird. Then again thinking about upsetting the left during a time like this is odd too.0
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Got home safely from Depeche Mode's excellent concert at the Stratford Olympic Park. Nothing untoward apart from heavy security and that it took ages to walk to Stratford station.0
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Bank & Vauxhall stations re-openned. Looks like the Vauxhall stuff wasn't linked majorly, or has been contained.0
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I don't see why. Manchester didn't appear to put people off him. After the initial revulsion, the response will be 'we stand united' and 'love conquers hate' and so forth. All grist to Corbyn's mill.isam said:Sorry if this is crass but Corbyn is drifting like a barge as next PM and Con maj shortening 6 ticks
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Of course. But we haven't banned cars yet and thousands of people die every year in or because of them (not counting vehicle weapon attacks).FattyBolger said:
Yes but Bombay is not here. Here is here. On balance I would rather terrible stuff happened there than marginally less bad stuff happens here. Internationalists may disagreeTOPPING said:
Calm the fuck down it's some guys with knives. Horrific but a million miles away from Mumbai. Do you have any idea of the Mumbai MO?Cyan said:Fucking hell, let's hope this isn't as big as Mumbai. At least 7 people stabbed, 3 with throats cut according to one witness at London Bridge. Source: Daily Mail.
Look at knife crime at the moment and Op Trident. It doesn't affect most people so most people don't care, but it is a thing and it kills a lot of us.0 -
Ye they have people in there who know the game so to speak.FrancisUrquhart said:
Well we do often get some very sensible starting points from the likes of Quillim foundation people, but they get shouted down and ignored.Pulpstar said:EveryOne says we need to do *something* but no suggestions are forthcoming as to what we should actually do.
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Good to hear. Hope the gig was good.Sunil_Prasannan said:Got home safely from Depeche Mode's excellent concert at the Stratford Olympic Park. Nothing untoward apart from heavy security and that it took ages to walk to Stratford station.
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Neither the Duck nor the Stock Exchange got the 'rename' memo either,RobD said:
Is Bombay mix still called Bombay mix?MaxPB said:On the Mumbai/Bombay discussion, we all call it Bombay at home, my family in India all call it Bombay and most of my Indian friends call it Bombay. Mumbai is almost exclusively used by white people not wishing to offend Indians, most of whom don't care.
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Forgive me if I'm wrong, but was it not changed for political reasons by the Shiv Sena who wanted to reassert some kind of Marathi identity?MaxPB said:On the Mumbai/Bombay discussion, we all call it Bombay at home, my family in India all call it Bombay and most of my Indian friends call it Bombay. Mumbai is almost exclusively used by white people not wishing to offend Indians, most of whom don't care.
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Glad you got home safe Sunil.Sunil_Prasannan said:Got home safely from Depeche Mode's excellent concert at the Stratford Olympic Park. Nothing untoward apart from heavy security and that it took ages to walk to Stratford station.
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Tackle attitudes in families, communities, schools and religious communities, and monitor and watch is pretty much it. Mixing backgrounds and communities would also help.AndyJS said:
There's nothing we can do if someone decides to get in a vehicle and deliberately drive into pedestrians.Pulpstar said:EveryOne says we need to do *something* but no suggestions are forthcoming as to what we should actually do.
Strengthen British values, and be far more discriminating in who we admit.
I wouldn't re-admit a single soul who'd been to Syria, and heavily quiz and watch anyone who had.
We probably do need to give the Government, or GCHQ/MI5, the power to monitor WhatsApp etc. unfortunately.0 -
Exactly.numbertwelve said:
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but was it not changed for political reasons by the Shiv Sena who wanted to reassert some kind of Marathi identity?MaxPB said:On the Mumbai/Bombay discussion, we all call it Bombay at home, my family in India all call it Bombay and most of my Indian friends call it Bombay. Mumbai is almost exclusively used by white people not wishing to offend Indians, most of whom don't care.
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Yes, of course.RobD said:
Is Bombay mix still called Bombay mix?MaxPB said:On the Mumbai/Bombay discussion, we all call it Bombay at home, my family in India all call it Bombay and most of my Indian friends call it Bombay. Mumbai is almost exclusively used by white people not wishing to offend Indians, most of whom don't care.
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We were talking about good Lib Dems who lost their seats. Of course Maajid Nawaz is somebody who I would have liked to have got a seat, but then some in his own party wanted him excluded because he dared to say a cartoon didn't personally offend him.Pulpstar said:
Ye they have people in there who know the game so to speak.FrancisUrquhart said:
Well we do often get some very sensible starting points from the likes of Quillim foundation people, but they get shouted down and ignored.Pulpstar said:EveryOne says we need to do *something* but no suggestions are forthcoming as to what we should actually do.
His 3hr interview with Dave Rubin is absolute fascinating. Honest about his back story and honest about how he thinks Islam needs to change to the modern world.0 -
Or the potatoes!GeoffM said:
Neither the Duck nor the Stock Exchange got the 'rename' memo either,RobD said:
Is Bombay mix still called Bombay mix?MaxPB said:On the Mumbai/Bombay discussion, we all call it Bombay at home, my family in India all call it Bombay and most of my Indian friends call it Bombay. Mumbai is almost exclusively used by white people not wishing to offend Indians, most of whom don't care.
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Sunil we left before the encore so no delays. We were aware of an 'incident' as the jubilee didn't stop at London BridgeSunil_Prasannan said:Got home safely from Depeche Mode's excellent concert at the Stratford Olympic Park. Nothing untoward apart from heavy security and that it took ages to walk to Stratford station.
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Bombay Saphire, too.MaxPB said:
Yes, of course.RobD said:
Is Bombay mix still called Bombay mix?MaxPB said:On the Mumbai/Bombay discussion, we all call it Bombay at home, my family in India all call it Bombay and most of my Indian friends call it Bombay. Mumbai is almost exclusively used by white people not wishing to offend Indians, most of whom don't care.
Hm, now I want a G&T.0 -
It's a welcome distraction, and only 2 people made it a left right issue. Fact is people assume a lot of things about the Bombay Mumbai name situation, sometimes due to politics, but as we see it is more complicated than that.The_Apocalypse said:This Bombay/Mumbai discussion is just weird. Then again thinking about upsetting the left during a time like this is odd too.
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Enjoy the silence.Sunil_Prasannan said:Got home safely from Depeche Mode's excellent concert at the Stratford Olympic Park. Nothing untoward apart from heavy security and that it took ages to walk to Stratford station.
I'm sure some great reward will be coming your way.0 -
Well this is bizarre. Civilians walking with their hands on their heads. This suggests someone is still at large.0
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Bit too much post-colonial guilt there. And plenty of Bombay residents are annoyed it was renamed too.
The Bombay/Mumbai thing was pure politics by the Indian Nationalists. As is
There was a similar one in Bombay too.
Are you drunk?
In defence of GeoffM, that annoys me too.
We don't call Lisbon, "Lisboa", Cologne, "Koln", or Rome, "Roma", do we?
Bit too much post-colonial guilt there. And plenty of Bombay residents are annoyed it was renamed too.
The Bombay/Mumbai thing was pure politics by the Indian Nationalists. As is entirely their right of course but the funny thing is of the 4 Indian friends I have who live in Bombay they all call it Bombay and take the piss out of me if I call it Mumbai.
It is a source of constant argument within the city itself with the split being along political and some social lines. It is not the same as Bejing where all the locals actually call it that.
Beijing is not the same case. It is merely how you transliterate the Chinese characters into English. It always has been bay_jing... Just how we choose to spell it.
Peking?
Yes. That was how a French linguist chose to spell it. He was trying to write Bay-Jing. The 2 Chinese characters and their Chinese pronunciation has never changed.Casino_Royale said:
Peking?dixiedean said:
Beijing is not the same case. It is merely how you transliterate the Chinese characters into English. It always has been bay_jing... Just how we choose to spell it.Richard_Tyndall said:
The Bombay/Mumbai thing was pure politics by the Indian Nationalists. As is entirely their right of course but the funny thing is of the 4 Indian friends I have who live in Bombay they all call it Bombay and take the piss out of me if I call it Mumbai.Casino_Royale said:
It is a source of constant argument within the city itself with the split being along political and some social lines. It is not the same as Bejing where all the locals actually call it that.0 -
People walking out of London bridge area with hands on head.0
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That's not the answer. It meets terror with indiscriminate fear and oppression. We need an answer for sure, the current one isn't working, but it needs to be more measured thank kicking in doors.KentRising said:
Text from a usually liberal mate: "Time to lock the fucking borders and kick in doors."ab195 said:I've had enough. It's time to stop this.
If I was TMay I would be on the steps of No10 in the morning saying:
a) COBRA, we will not be beaten, etc as usual.
b) Additional police officers, and pay, - heroes and we'll find the money come what may.
c) Non-partisan commission on what the f*** we do next to counter it.
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BBC: footage of pedestrians being led down a street with their hands on their heads, like a scene out of Star Wars.0
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All the subsamples tonight show the Tories up in Wales and 2 have the Tories ahead in the Principalitykle4 said:
Yes, Wales seemed to be getting more Tory, bit by bit, but the instant it looked like the Tories might win a majority, it surges back to labour, helped by the good campaign no doubt.Casino_Royale said:
The Corbyn surge is real, but it is confined to London, major metropolitan cities, and areas with strong student/young populations, I think.MarqueeMark said:
Worked for me in 2015. This time it feels a bit like the circus has moved on to the next town (Plymouth in this case!)Casino_Royale said:Best cure for any bedwetting.
Stop reading the interwebz and posting on forums, and go and knock on doors in a key marginal.
And, bizarrely, Wales, which I thought would go strongly Tory this time.0 -
I think I could do with one too. I'll see if my gf wants one.RobD said:
Bombay Saphire, too.MaxPB said:
Yes, of course.RobD said:
Is Bombay mix still called Bombay mix?MaxPB said:On the Mumbai/Bombay discussion, we all call it Bombay at home, my family in India all call it Bombay and most of my Indian friends call it Bombay. Mumbai is almost exclusively used by white people not wishing to offend Indians, most of whom don't care.
Hm, now I want a G&T.0 -
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Rory the Tory and Majjid Nawaz on that commission for starters. Two people who have a good idea about Islamism.RobinWiggs said:
That's not the answer. It meets terror with indiscriminate fear and oppression. We need an answer for sure, the current one isn't working, but it needs to be more measured thank kicking in doors.KentRising said:
Text from a usually liberal mate: "Time to lock the fucking borders and kick in doors."ab195 said:I've had enough. It's time to stop this.
If I was TMay I would be on the steps of No10 in the morning saying:
a) COBRA, we will not be beaten, etc as usual.
b) Additional police officers, and pay, - heroes and we'll find the money come what may.
c) Non-partisan commission on what the f*** we do next to counter it.0 -
She looked absolutely livid after Manchester. She will want to react, but might leave the substance until after the election.RobD said:
She does these moments well, but it didn't budge the polls last time, so doubt it will this time.FattyBolger said:TMay now one Churchillian speech away from a landside..
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Yeah, and he was actually quite clear in saying it was an absolutely tiny minority.SeanT said:
Nuttall actually got BOOED on the Leaders' Debate for merely mentioning that Manchester was a result of "Islamist Extremism".Floater said:
You cant even talk about it let alone stop itab195 said:I've had enough. It's time to stop this.
He didn't say "Islam", he said "Islamist Extremism", and that basic and irrefutable fact was deemed unacceptable by the vile, hectoring lefty audience
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She had a good record on keeping the lid on terrorism as Home Secretary.Chameleon said:
Au contraire. People could think that her approach has failed.FattyBolger said:TMay now one Churchillian speech away from a landside..
People are naturally going to think: when an incident like this happens, who do I want on that podium in Downing Street? Former Home Secretary Theresa May - or a guy with a troubling history of meeting terrorists, who does not support shoot-to-kill, who feels we should not take out our enemies abroad with drone strikes, who thought the death of bin Laden was "a tragedy".... and who would not have nuclear weapons in our nuclear weapon subs.
How can this not hurt Corbyn, on some subliminal level, as people vote?0 -
Looks as if the police think they're in the area and they're just gradually expanding the cordon.0
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As a fellow G&T drinker you will remember that June 14th is World Cucumber DayRobD said:
Bombay Sapphire, too.MaxPB said:
Yes, of course.RobD said:
Is Bombay mix still called Bombay mix?MaxPB said:On the Mumbai/Bombay discussion, we all call it Bombay at home, my family in India all call it Bombay and most of my Indian friends call it Bombay. Mumbai is almost exclusively used by white people not wishing to offend Indians, most of whom don't care.
Hm, now I want a G&T.
An excellent excuse, if one were required, to indulge in gin with all the trimmings.0 -
I never heard anyone pronounce the spelling "Peking" as "Bay-jing". Was the English spelling brought into line with a set of transliteration rules? Then "Москва" should be transliterated as "Moskva" (which most non-Russian speakers would probably pronounce horribly), and Tchaikovsky would lose the T" at the beginning, etc.dixiedean said:
Beijing is not the same case. It is merely how you transliterate the Chinese characters into English. It always has been bay_jing... Just how we choose to spell it.Richard_Tyndall said:
The Bombay/Mumbai thing was pure politics by the Indian Nationalists. As is entirely their right of course but the funny thing is of the 4 Indian friends I have who live in Bombay they all call it Bombay and take the piss out of me if I call it Mumbai.Casino_Royale said:
It is a source of constant argument within the city itself with the split being along political and some social lines. It is not the same as Bejing where all the locals actually call it that.0 -
Cordon being pushed again. People in pink/purple suits with bags and yellow things being briefed? Medical examiners? Anyone have any idea?0
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Yes it's a difficult decision to make. Barricading inside is an option but for command and control you want a sterile area and if you know you have civilians here and there then that complicates things. Better to manage people out of the area.Chameleon said:0 -
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Thanks! But sorry to hear about the incidents in Central London, I overheard people on their phones as I was leaving.The_Apocalypse said:
Glad you got home safe Sunil.Sunil_Prasannan said:Got home safely from Depeche Mode's excellent concert at the Stratford Olympic Park. Nothing untoward apart from heavy security and that it took ages to walk to Stratford station.
And there were times we were stop/started by the stewards and it was pretty heavy crowds. Anything that might have caused a panic and I'm sure a stampede would have ensued!0 -
I've actually never actually given the name change considerable thought, apparently as leftie I was supposed to have!kle4 said:
It's a welcome distraction, and only 2 people made it a left right issue. Fact is people assume a lot of things about the Bombay Mumbai name situation, sometimes due to politics, but as we see it is more complicated than that.The_Apocalypse said:This Bombay/Mumbai discussion is just weird. Then again thinking about upsetting the left during a time like this is odd too.
Ah, I dunno anymore. This situation is depressing and there doesn't seem to be an end in sight.0 -
Remember a particular Muslim faction in the Lib Dem party wanted Majjid Nawaz kicked out for saying a cartoon didn't offend him and he now has to live with round the clock security because of death threats due to simply stating the truth about Islamism.SeanT said:
Nuttall actually got BOOED on the Leaders' Debate for merely mentioning that Manchester was a result of "Islamist Extremism".Floater said:
You cant even talk about it let alone stop itab195 said:I've had enough. It's time to stop this.
He didn't say "Islam", he said "Islamist Extremism", and that basic and irrefutable fact was deemed unacceptable by the vile, hectoring lefty audience
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Needs to be careful it doesn't look like electioneeringRobinWiggs said:
That's not the answer. It meets terror with indiscriminate fear and oppression. We need an answer for sure, the current one isn't working, but it needs to be more measured thank kicking in doors.KentRising said:
Text from a usually liberal mate: "Time to lock the fucking borders and kick in doors."ab195 said:I've had enough. It's time to stop this.
If I was TMay I would be on the steps of No10 in the morning saying:
a) COBRA, we will not be beaten, etc as usual.
b) Additional police officers, and pay, - heroes and we'll find the money come what may.
c) Non-partisan commission on what the f*** we do next to counter it.0 -
We need action not words, people want a tough crackdown, they certainly won't get it from Corbyn but they want to get it from May but haven't yet, it was telling that the only applause for Nuttall in last week's debate was when he said passports should be confiscated from those travelling to Libya and Syria, polls show strong support for thatMimus said:
She looked absolutely livid after Manchester. She will want to react, but might leave the substance until after the election.RobD said:
She does these moments well, but it didn't budge the polls last time, so doubt it will this time.FattyBolger said:TMay now one Churchillian speech away from a landside..
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"Frank GardnerVerified account @FrankRGardner 4m4 minutes ago
Met Police reissue 'Run Hide Tell' advice to anyone caught up in the 3 serious incidents in Ldn tnite. Situation still not under control."0 -
Yeah, that's why b won't happen, as it will raise the question "why only now"Pulpstar said:
Needs to be careful it doesn't look like electioneeringRobinWiggs said:
That's not the answer. It meets terror with indiscriminate fear and oppression. We need an answer for sure, the current one isn't working, but it needs to be more measured thank kicking in doors.KentRising said:
Text from a usually liberal mate: "Time to lock the fucking borders and kick in doors."ab195 said:I've had enough. It's time to stop this.
If I was TMay I would be on the steps of No10 in the morning saying:
a) COBRA, we will not be beaten, etc as usual.
b) Additional police officers, and pay, - heroes and we'll find the money come what may.
c) Non-partisan commission on what the f*** we do next to counter it.0 -
This is the modern worldSeanT said:
Nuttall actually got BOOED on the Leaders' Debate for merely mentioning that Manchester was a result of "Islamist Extremism".Floater said:
You cant even talk about it let alone stop itab195 said:I've had enough. It's time to stop this.
He didn't say "Islam", he said "Islamist Extremism", and that basic and irrefutable fact was deemed unacceptable by the vile, hectoring lefty audience
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The rate at which they were pushing the cordon earlier suggests that they thoughts that they may have lost someone, however you could see someone being arrested.AndyJS said:"Frank GardnerVerified account @FrankRGardner 4m4 minutes ago
Met Police reissue 'Run Hide Tell' advice to anyone caught up in the 3 serious incidents in Ldn tnite. Situation still not under control."0 -
I think the "p" and "b" sounds are the same in Chinese. The sound they use is mid-way between the sounds we use. I once asked a Chinese speaker whether the p in Taipei was the same sound as the B in Beijing and they said it was.Cyan said:
I never heard anyone pronounce the spelling "Peking" as "Bay-jing". Was the English spelling brought into line with a set of transliteration rules? Then "Москва" should be transliterated as "Moskva" (which most non-Russian speakers would probably pronounce horribly), and Tchaikovsky would lose the T" at the beginning, etc.dixiedean said:
Beijing is not the same case. It is merely how you transliterate the Chinese characters into English. It always has been bay_jing... Just how we choose to spell it.Richard_Tyndall said:
The Bombay/Mumbai thing was pure politics by the Indian Nationalists. As is entirely their right of course but the funny thing is of the 4 Indian friends I have who live in Bombay they all call it Bombay and take the piss out of me if I call it Mumbai.Casino_Royale said:
It is a source of constant argument within the city itself with the split being along political and some social lines. It is not the same as Bejing where all the locals actually call it that.0 -
People should probably just try and go home, to be honest.AndyJS said:"Frank GardnerVerified account @FrankRGardner 4m4 minutes ago
Met Police reissue 'Run Hide Tell' advice to anyone caught up in the 3 serious incidents in Ldn tnite. Situation still not under control."0 -
No updates from the police so got to assume suspects are still on the run.0
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Here's the context so judge for yourself whether his words have been twisted. (Donald Trump Jr was the one to first make a big deal of it.)AndyJS said:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/sadiq-khan-london-mayor-terrorism-attacks-part-and-parcel-major-cities-new-york-bombing-a7322846.html0 -
He does a lot of work in anti-radicalisation, right? Not sure why he isn't sitting as a crossbencher and contributing to legislation/debate on this issue.FrancisUrquhart said:
Remember a particular Muslim faction in the Lib Dem party wanted Majjid Nawaz kicked out for saying a cartoon didn't offend him and he now has to live with round the clock security because of death threats due to simply stating the truth about Islamism.SeanT said:
Nuttall actually got BOOED on the Leaders' Debate for merely mentioning that Manchester was a result of "Islamist Extremism".Floater said:
You cant even talk about it let alone stop itab195 said:I've had enough. It's time to stop this.
He didn't say "Islam", he said "Islamist Extremism", and that basic and irrefutable fact was deemed unacceptable by the vile, hectoring lefty audience
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No polls till the day now I reckon..*Late swing* excuse incoming0
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It's just BASICS such as this. It's the very LEAST that can be done, but it will get shouted down by the hectoring, brainwashed liberal minority.HYUFD said:
We need action not words, people want a tough crackdown, they certainly won't get it from Corbyn but they want to get it from May but haven't yet, it was telling that the only applause for Nuttall in last week's debate was when he said passports should be confiscated from those travelling to Libya and Syria, polls show strong support for thatMimus said:
She looked absolutely livid after Manchester. She will want to react, but might leave the substance until after the election.RobD said:
She does these moments well, but it didn't budge the polls last time, so doubt it will this time.FattyBolger said:TMay now one Churchillian speech away from a landside..
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Presumably they are fairly confident that the suspects don't have guns. Safe to move people.TOPPING said:
Yes it's a difficult decision to make. Barricading inside is an option but for command and control you want a sterile area and if you know you have civilians here and there then that complicates things. Better to manage people out of the area.Chameleon said:0 -
Another good point. But it takes balls the size of cannonballs to just merge in to punters, having stabbed anyone and everyone: profiling would be happening at a rudimentary level. If you evacuate a location then it is a tough call to let people out but if you do then you profile them as they leave (you would hope).Quincel said:0 -
This seems odd. From outside appearance it appears a lull or de-escalation, but maybe in fact a lot of information is simply not being released.0
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Likely that all pubs were told to shut doors, those that they could verify had no late entrants were allowed to clear I suspect.Quincel said:0 -
You don't have to have whether you are left or right - it's just an interesting example of a recent name change that people get confused by and assume offensiveness when none may be taken, given the situation us complex. I only know about parts of it because I did a course which involved he city. Did you know it used to have a reasonably sizeable zororastrian population apparently?The_Apocalypse said:
I've actually never actually given the name change considerable thought, apparently as leftie I was supposed to have!kle4 said:
It's a welcome distraction, and only 2 people made it a left right issue. Fact is people assume a lot of things about the Bombay Mumbai name situation, sometimes due to politics, but as we see it is more complicated than that.The_Apocalypse said:This Bombay/Mumbai discussion is just weird. Then again thinking about upsetting the left during a time like this is odd too.
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It hasnt before. Why would it now?MarqueeMark said:
She had a good record on keeping the lid on terrorism as Home Secretary.Chameleon said:
Au contraire. People could think that her approach has failed.FattyBolger said:TMay now one Churchillian speech away from a landside..
People are naturally going to think: when an incident like this happens, who do I want on that podium in Downing Street? Former Home Secretary Theresa May - or a guy with a troubling history of meeting terrorists, who does not support shoot-to-kill, who feels we should not take out our enemies abroad with drone strikes, who thought the death of bin Laden was "a tragedy".... and who would not have nuclear weapons in our nuclear weapon subs.
How can this not hurt Corbyn, on some subliminal level, as people vote?
More to the point we will never know - the polls are all over the place, any movement could be happening anyway, and the end result might have been the situation all along.0 -
Glad you got back safe too! Where were you sitting? Standing? I was in block 237, row 58, so about two thirds of the way up.Ave_it said:
Sunil we left before the encore so no delays. We were aware of an 'incident' as the jubilee didn't stop at London BridgeSunil_Prasannan said:Got home safely from Depeche Mode's excellent concert at the Stratford Olympic Park. Nothing untoward apart from heavy security and that it took ages to walk to Stratford station.
Dave sang his cover of "Heroes", so you should ahve stayed! "Heroes" has special meaning for Depeche Mode, the other members overheard Dave sing along to a cover version, before they became famous, and he became front-man without needing an audition!0 -
As I said down thread, his 3hrs interview with Dave Rubin was absolutely fascinating. He talked openly about his time as a Islamist, his time in jail, and now how he seems the world, in particular the Muslim world.RobD said:
He does a lot of work in anti-radicalisation, right? Not sure why he isn't sitting as a crossbencher and contributing to legislation/debate on this issue.FrancisUrquhart said:
Remember a particular Muslim faction in the Lib Dem party wanted Majjid Nawaz kicked out for saying a cartoon didn't offend him and he now has to live with round the clock security because of death threats due to simply stating the truth about Islamism.SeanT said:
Nuttall actually got BOOED on the Leaders' Debate for merely mentioning that Manchester was a result of "Islamist Extremism".Floater said:
You cant even talk about it let alone stop itab195 said:I've had enough. It's time to stop this.
He didn't say "Islam", he said "Islamist Extremism", and that basic and irrefutable fact was deemed unacceptable by the vile, hectoring lefty audience
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Yet the polls in the US actually showed support for the travel ban, it was just the NYC and LA and DC liberal elite which loathed it, Trump's ban was imposed too clumsily ie why Iran and Yemen but not Saudi? However he did include Syria and Libya and it should be focused on those nationsKentRising said:
A travel ban is a no-brainer but look at the uproar when Trump tried to implement one. Liberals still set the agenda.HYUFD said:
I doubt it will make much difference other than maybe seeing a slight shift of any white working class voters who have moved from the Tories to Labour back to the Tories and maybe boost UKIP's score a little. However clearly we need a tougher response, whether tagging all known extremists, a travel ban to and from Libya and Syria without special permission etcChameleon said:
Au contraire. People could think that her approach has failed.FattyBolger said:TMay now one Churchillian speech away from a landside..
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Loads of people don't believe the terrorism stuff, in my experience.MarqueeMark said:
She had a good record on keeping the lid on terrorism as Home Secretary.Chameleon said:
Au contraire. People could think that her approach has failed.FattyBolger said:TMay now one Churchillian speech away from a landside..
People are naturally going to think: when an incident like this happens, who do I want on that podium in Downing Street? Former Home Secretary Theresa May - or a guy with a troubling history of meeting terrorists, who does not support shoot-to-kill, who feels we should not take out our enemies abroad with drone strikes, who thought the death of bin Laden was "a tragedy".... and who would not have nuclear weapons in our nuclear weapon subs.
How can this not hurt Corbyn, on some subliminal level, as people vote?
And loads of people seem to think the likes of the Manchester attack can be prevented by lighting tealights, releasing baloons and tweeting that "#loveisstrongerthanhate" (or whatever).
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BBC now showing coverage of customers down on the floor in a Borough market bar with police at the side0
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Given how the cordon is ever expanding it is certainly not contained. Maybe they had secured the street, and wanted to clear out as many innocents as possible before the attackers resurfaced.WhisperingOracle said:This seems odd. From outside appearance it appears a lull or de-escalation, but maybe in fact a lot of information is simply not being released.
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Still too tepid.RobinWiggs said:
That's not the answer. It meets terror with indiscriminate fear and oppression. We need an answer for sure, the current one isn't working, but it needs to be more measured thank kicking in doors.KentRising said:
Text from a usually liberal mate: "Time to lock the fucking borders and kick in doors."ab195 said:I've had enough. It's time to stop this.
If I was TMay I would be on the steps of No10 in the morning saying:
a) COBRA, we will not be beaten, etc as usual.
b) Additional police officers, and pay, - heroes and we'll find the money come what may.
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Police are leading this and they don't have the expertise of CT personnel but they are able to profile at a rudimentary level. Not having guns doesn't mean safe. Knives are unsafe, but it is a highly fluid situation so on balance they want people out of the area to sterilise where they know has been an issue.alex. said:
Presumably they are fairly confident that the suspects don't have guns. Safe to move people.TOPPING said:
Yes it's a difficult decision to make. Barricading inside is an option but for command and control you want a sterile area and if you know you have civilians here and there then that complicates things. Better to manage people out of the area.Chameleon said:
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BBC showed the "c*nts" clip without bleeping it. OMG.0
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Or alternatively, at least in an open space people can run, if they broke into the bar where everyone was hiding, it would be fish in a barrel. They probably secured the street as well.alex. said:
Presumably they are fairly confident that the suspects don't have guns. Safe to move people.TOPPING said:
Yes it's a difficult decision to make. Barricading inside is an option but for command and control you want a sterile area and if you know you have civilians here and there then that complicates things. Better to manage people out of the area.Chameleon said:0 -
Update: he's now accounted for.ThreeQuidder said:
Thanks. Home now. Waiting for news from one person from our group who left a little earlier, everyone else accounted for.RobD said:
Stay safeThreeQuidder said:The election campaign just ended, really, didn't it?
I was out with my wife and a bunch of friends at Tower Hill, maybe half a mile away. If we'd turned right and walked to London Bridge for the Jubilee line instead of getting the DLR, as I'd considered...
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Good news!ThreeQuidder said:
Update: he's now accounted for.ThreeQuidder said:
Thanks. Home now. Waiting for news from one person from our group who left a little earlier, everyone else accounted for.RobD said:
Stay safeThreeQuidder said:The election campaign just ended, really, didn't it?
I was out with my wife and a bunch of friends at Tower Hill, maybe half a mile away. If we'd turned right and walked to London Bridge for the Jubilee line instead of getting the DLR, as I'd considered...
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We will get all that again.LucyJones said:
Loads of people don't believe the terrorism stuff, in my experience.MarqueeMark said:
She had a good record on keeping the lid on terrorism as Home Secretary.Chameleon said:
Au contraire. People could think that her approach has failed.FattyBolger said:TMay now one Churchillian speech away from a landside..
People are naturally going to think: when an incident like this happens, who do I want on that podium in Downing Street? Former Home Secretary Theresa May - or a guy with a troubling history of meeting terrorists, who does not support shoot-to-kill, who feels we should not take out our enemies abroad with drone strikes, who thought the death of bin Laden was "a tragedy".... and who would not have nuclear weapons in our nuclear weapon subs.
How can this not hurt Corbyn, on some subliminal level, as people vote?
And loads of people seem to think the likes of the Manchester attack can be prevented by lighting tealights, releasing baloons and tweeting that "#loveisstrongerthanhate" (or whatever).0 -
Good news.ThreeQuidder said:
Update: he's now accounted for.ThreeQuidder said:
Thanks. Home now. Waiting for news from one person from our group who left a little earlier, everyone else accounted for.RobD said:
Stay safeThreeQuidder said:The election campaign just ended, really, didn't it?
I was out with my wife and a bunch of friends at Tower Hill, maybe half a mile away. If we'd turned right and walked to London Bridge for the Jubilee line instead of getting the DLR, as I'd considered...
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I find it utterly bizarre that the left refute the use of the 'i' word in these situations. In fact, are apppalled when it is brought up.SeanT said:
Nuttall actually got BOOED on the Leaders' Debate for merely mentioning that Manchester was a result of "Islamist Extremism".Floater said:
You cant even talk about it let alone stop itab195 said:I've had enough. It's time to stop this.
He didn't say "Islam", he said "Islamist Extremism", and that basic and irrefutable fact was deemed unacceptable by the vile, hectoring lefty audience
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It IS Islamist. That in no way denigrates peaceful followers of Islam, which we know are the vast majority of practitioners in this country. But it is absolutely true that there is an extremist strain of this religion. That is beyond doubt, but it is not a smear on the wider Muslim community.
I am depressed that we even need to be discussing those semantics.
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No, but that is how it was intended to be pronounced. Try it in a French accent... The characters are bay [ie Northern] and Zhing [capital). Although it is difficult to transcribe the j/zh sound as we don't really have the letters. (We have only 26). It is not political correctness though, merely a better way of spelling stuff.Cyan said:
I never heard anyone pronounce the spelling "Peking" as "Bay-jing". Was the English spelling brought into line with a set of transliteration rules? Then "Москва" should be transliterated as "Moskva" (which most non-Russian speakers would probably pronounce horribly), and Tchaikovsky would lose the T" at the beginning, etc.dixiedean said:
Beijing is not the same case. It is merely how you transliterate the Chinese characters into English. It always has been bay_jing... Just how we choose to spell it.Richard_Tyndall said:
The Bombay/Mumbai thing was pure politics by the Indian Nationalists. As is entirely their right of course but the funny thing is of the 4 Indian friends I have who live in Bombay they all call it Bombay and take the piss out of me if I call it Mumbai.Casino_Royale said:
It is a source of constant argument within the city itself with the split being along political and some social lines. It is not the same as Bejing where all the locals actually call it that.
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