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https://media.giphy.com/media/Hq4DYXhDkEvHW/giphy.gifTravelJunkie said:The reason tories make promises and break them is because tory voters don't care that they lie because in everyday life they do the same.
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The Tory manifesto says nothing about a big boost to economic growth as a direct result of Brexit, just that the Tories will make post Brexit Britain more prosperous than Labour and will implement the Brexit Leave voters voted for with an end to free movement and no 100 billion euros to the EU and reclaimed sovereignty. If May gets a majority the British people will have endorsed that BrexitSouthamObserver said:
Read May's intro to the Tory manifesto.HYUFD said:
Nope May said there were some advantages in staying in the EU but she would see Brexit through as the British people wanted with no free movement, no 100 billion euros to the EU and departure from the single market and if she wins a majority she will have a mandate for that from the British peopleSouthamObserver said:
Yep - her call is to decide what kind of Brexit it will be. She has promised to make voters more prosperous and will be judged on that.Charles said:
The British people made the decision to leave and, like a good public servant, she will do what her employers instructRoger said:FPT.
Dimbleby asked the telling question;
'You say you have called the election because of Brexit.
Last week you said 'Leaving the EU would make us MORE prosperous'
Last year you said' Leaving the EU would make us LESS prosperous'
"What's changed?"0 -
They used to call the Tory party the nasty party - some Labour supporters should look at themselves first0
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Yes, he did and correctly lost the election. Fallon's pledge is another U-turn.kjohnw said:
remember when brown reversed his 10p tax cock upsurbiton said:
She did not give any assurance about Income Tax payers other than general platitudes about what a good party the Tories are about taxes.MaxPB said:
Obviously, because they want to put up NI.surbiton said:She could have said in a straight-forward manner that taxes will not be increased. She skirted that.
TAX BOMBSHELL
The Tories have form on this matter. Thatcher's denial about VAT followed by increase from 8% to 15% in just a few weeks. Major also increased NIC from 9% to 11% after denying it.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/1584355/Gordon-Brown-attacked-over-10p-tax-rate.html
or when he broke the manifesto pledge to share the proceeds of growth with pensioners and gave them a whopping 75p
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/1584355/Gordon-Brown-attacked-over-10p-tax-rate.html0 -
On BBC Question Time last night:
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My council website says:Philip_Thompson said:
I thought for emergencies you could apply for a proxy vote even on the day? Though the emergency may have to be medical.alex. said:
I think the deadline has passed. Certainly on my local council website it has.OldKingCole said:
Can one still apply for a proxy vote? Surely someone knows. Family member, living S. Essex has a job interview in Manchester at midday on Thursday.MarqueeMark said:How much is Twitter and Facebook going to be dominated next Thursday by Da Yoof complaining "Some old bastard at the Polling Station stopped me from voting for Corbyn. Said I wasn't registered or summat. And even if I was, I don't live in Islington. These fucking old people are robbing us of our democratic rights!"
Emergency proxy voting
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That's right, we laugh in the face of the notion that "My word is my bond." My favourite gag is that one about "no plans to privatise the NHS" - cracks me up every time.TravelJunkie said:The reason tories make promises and break them is because tory voters don't care that they lie because in everyday life they do the same.
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Con + UKIP would make it close, but I can't see that being anything other than held since 1983.Typo said:May looks to be in Huddersfield. Make of that what you will.
Neighbouring Dewsbury, however, is very much a target.0 -
Yes, wot he said. Emergency proxy applications are checked particularly strongly, as you'd expect - it does have to be a genuine unforeseen reason; not having got around to arranging one for an interview date someone has known about for a while won't cut it IMO.ThreeQuidder said:
My council website says:Philip_Thompson said:
I thought for emergencies you could apply for a proxy vote even on the day? Though the emergency may have to be medical.alex. said:
I think the deadline has passed. Certainly on my local council website it has.OldKingCole said:
Can one still apply for a proxy vote? Surely someone knows. Family member, living S. Essex has a job interview in Manchester at midday on Thursday.MarqueeMark said:How much is Twitter and Facebook going to be dominated next Thursday by Da Yoof complaining "Some old bastard at the Polling Station stopped me from voting for Corbyn. Said I wasn't registered or summat. And even if I was, I don't live in Islington. These fucking old people are robbing us of our democratic rights!"
Emergency proxy voting
You can arrange for an emergency proxy if you can't get to the polling station in person on the day due to either:
a medical emergency
unforeseen work or occupational reasons.
You can apply for an emergency proxy up to 5pm on 8 June 2017.0 -
Yes. No doubt she will pop up around Emley Moor at some stage in the day.BannedInParis said:
Con + UKIP would make it close, but I can't see that being anything other than held since 1983.Typo said:May looks to be in Huddersfield. Make of that what you will.
Neighbouring Dewsbury, however, is very much a target.0 -
I imagine a job interview counts as an unforeseen work or occupational reason.ThreeQuidder said:
My council website says:Philip_Thompson said:
I thought for emergencies you could apply for a proxy vote even on the day? Though the emergency may have to be medical.alex. said:
I think the deadline has passed. Certainly on my local council website it has.OldKingCole said:
Can one still apply for a proxy vote? Surely someone knows. Family member, living S. Essex has a job interview in Manchester at midday on Thursday.MarqueeMark said:How much is Twitter and Facebook going to be dominated next Thursday by Da Yoof complaining "Some old bastard at the Polling Station stopped me from voting for Corbyn. Said I wasn't registered or summat. And even if I was, I don't live in Islington. These fucking old people are robbing us of our democratic rights!"
Emergency proxy voting
You can arrange for an emergency proxy if you can't get to the polling station in person on the day due to either:
a medical emergency
unforeseen work or occupational reasons.
You can apply for an emergency proxy up to 5pm on 8 June 2017.0 -
Do you really believe such rubbish?TravelJunkie said:The reason tories make promises and break them is because tory voters don't care that they lie because in everyday life they do the same.
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Fallon has just said no income tax rises "across the spectrum" so one assumes that won't now happen. Personally I'd be really surprised if they put up income tax, NI not so much because they tried before the election and failed.surbiton said:
She did not give any assurance about Income Tax payers other than general platitudes about what a good party the Tories are about taxes.MaxPB said:
Obviously, because they want to put up NI.surbiton said:She could have said in a straight-forward manner that taxes will not be increased. She skirted that.
TAX BOMBSHELL
The Tories have form on this matter. Thatcher's denial about VAT followed by increase from 8% to 15% in just a few weeks. Major also increased NIC from 9% to 11% after denying it.0 -
Thanet South is now a more likely UKIP gain than Thurrockisam said:0 -
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2017/jun/03/may-and-corbyn-enter-last-weekend-of-election-campaign-after-harsh-question-time-politics-live
The Guardian has this up. The Telegraph too.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/02/no-income-tax-rises-high-earners-tory-government-minister-reveals/
and the Independent
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-tory-tax-policy-rise-income-tax-national-insurance-higher-earners-general-election-2017-a7770581.html0 -
Betting post. For anybody thinking HP is a possibility you might want to look at Norwich North. Whilst it is much less city based than its partner seat of Clive Lewis, the city segments of the constituency swung to Labour in the locals and the Green 4% will get eaten up as they are disintegrating in Norwich. Against that there was 14% UKIP to farm. There are quite a few students in the seat, falling outside the University areas of South Norwich. In the main it is young professional and young families with a reasonable older block too.
DYOR but given the swing TO Labour in Norwich at the Locals, if things have tightened since then 12 to 1 is an attractive bet on Labour.
Not value if you think Con majority is the result though.0 -
She is promising a Brexit that brings more prosperity.HYUFD said:
The Tory manifesto says nothing about a big boost to economic growth as a direct result of Brexit, just that the Tories will make post Brexit Britain more prosperous than Labour and will implement the Brexit Leave voters voted for with an end to free movement and no 100 billion euros to the EU and reclaimed sovereignty. If May gets a majority the British people will have endorsed that BrexitSouthamObserver said:
Read May's intro to the Tory manifesto.HYUFD said:
Nope May said there were some advantages in staying in the EU but she would see Brexit through as the British people wanted with no free movement, no 100 billion euros to the EU and departure from the single market and if she wins a majority she will have a mandate for that from the British peopleSouthamObserver said:
Yep - her call is to decide what kind of Brexit it will be. She has promised to make voters more prosperous and will be judged on that.Charles said:
The British people made the decision to leave and, like a good public servant, she will do what her employers instructRoger said:FPT.
Dimbleby asked the telling question;
'You say you have called the election because of Brexit.
Last week you said 'Leaving the EU would make us MORE prosperous'
Last year you said' Leaving the EU would make us LESS prosperous'
"What's changed?"
"A plan for a stronger, fairer, more prosperous Britain"
That is what she will be judged on. If you do not agree, fair enough. We'll see what happens.
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Taking money from the disabled.marke09 said:They used to call the Tory party the nasty party - some Labour supporters should look at themselves first
More people homeless.
Public sector workers 1% pay rise in 7 years.
military have no jobs to go into when home.
taking money from people who don't
continue to lie to the british people and break promises.
taking your home to pay for social care with no knowledge of what the cap is.
Tax cuts for people that don't need it.
Tories continue to spend their money sponsoring hate campaigns - daily mail, the sun and daily telegraph.
Nasty party; I'm not ones advocating for the above and have a desire for the slaughter of millions of innocent people.
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My favourite is "x" hours to save the NHS" - How many times have Labour run that little gem out now?Ishmael_Z said:
That's right, we laugh in the face of the notion that "My word is my bond." My favourite gag is that one about "no plans to privatise the NHS" - cracks me up every time.TravelJunkie said:The reason tories make promises and break them is because tory voters don't care that they lie because in everyday life they do the same.
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A lot of postals would have gone in though before the CPS announced.isam said:0 -
Fallon really is a loose canon, isn't he?
They will be under pressure now to clarify which is right - "absolutely" no rise, or just "no plans" for a rise. If they say Fallon was wrong it will look terrible. Another tricky decision for May.0 -
I'm not sure why you're still bothering, don't you realise that you've been rumbled?TravelJunkie said:.
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Sandpit said:
I guess the LDs are hand delivering them?TheScreamingEagles said:
Turns out I received one yesterday, here in Dore.AlsoIndigo said:
Giving his hand a rest after signing all those letters to London residents telling them that "only the Libs" ... etctimmo said:I would imagine the polls we get today will continue to show a narrowing of the position. Polls taken after last night wont be available until Monday i presume.
I wo der if OGH is campaigning in C&W today
Very surreal getting a leaflet from Mike Smithson of politicalbetting.com telling me to vote Lib Dem to stop Labour winning Sheffield Hallam.
Parties get one free Royal Mail delivery to each elector but the expense allowance pre-empts a paid for delivery eg 70,000 electors times 50p stamp each = £35,000.
This compares with a spending limit of around £15,000 depending on the number of electors.
Note: Parties normally use their free delivery in two batches so as to hit two elector households with a delivery to the first named occupant and a subsequent delivery to the second named occupant.
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https://www.yourvotematters.co.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0005/222467/Emergency-employment-or-service-proxy-vote-application-form.pdf is the form you need.Philip_Thompson said:
I imagine a job interview counts as an unforeseen work or occupational reason.ThreeQuidder said:
My council website says:Philip_Thompson said:
I thought for emergencies you could apply for a proxy vote even on the day? Though the emergency may have to be medical.alex. said:
I think the deadline has passed. Certainly on my local council website it has.OldKingCole said:
Can one still apply for a proxy vote? Surely someone knows. Family member, living S. Essex has a job interview in Manchester at midday on Thursday.MarqueeMark said:How much is Twitter and Facebook going to be dominated next Thursday by Da Yoof complaining "Some old bastard at the Polling Station stopped me from voting for Corbyn. Said I wasn't registered or summat. And even if I was, I don't live in Islington. These fucking old people are robbing us of our democratic rights!"
Emergency proxy voting
You can arrange for an emergency proxy if you can't get to the polling station in person on the day due to either:
a medical emergency
unforeseen work or occupational reasons.
You can apply for an emergency proxy up to 5pm on 8 June 2017.
Its not clear how you fill it in for a job interview I suspect you need to enter the company interviewing you in the employer section...0 -
Does mummy know you are on the pc ?TravelJunkie said:The reason tories make promises and break them is because tory voters don't care that they lie because in everyday life they do the same.
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Cameron before the election in 2010
PROMISE : "We need to change, and we will change, the way we behave. I'm fed up with the Punch and Judy politics of Westminster, the name calling, backbiting, point scoring, finger pointing."
Cameron After the election
REALITY : Prime Minister's Questions remains just as rowdy as ever, with schoolboy MPs roaring at each other across the green benches. In the last few months it's Tory MPs who have been responsible for shouting down Jeremy Corbyn, despite the Labour leader's vow to create a 'new kind of politics'.-1 -
Probably chasing after neighbouring, highly marginal Dewsbury.Typo said:May looks to be in Huddersfield. Make of that what you will.
The Tories have absolutely no chance of displacing long-serving Barry Sheerman in rock solid Labour safe Huddersfield itself.
BTW Earlier in the campaign, I backed Labour to hold Dewsbury, from where I am typing this, at odds of 4/1 which have now narrowed to 2/1. It smacks of being a lost cause for the Tories, where for such a winnable seat they selected a 22 year old inexperienced supermarket assistant ..... I mean no disrespect, but this is a seat they should have gobbled up with ease0 -
A bit strange that UKIP didn't stand a better known candidate in Thanet South isn't it? They must have known there was a fair chance of scandalThreeQuidder said:0 -
Cameron after a terrorist attack.
PROMISE : "We need to look at the problems of international terrorism, and I can promise that I will never play politics with that issue. I will do what is right for the country."
Cameron trying to go to war in syria
REALITY : While the PM insists he is doing what's right for Britain, there's been a heavy air of politics over his decision to bomb Syria. He refused to apologise for calling anti-war MPs 'terrorist sympathisers' in a cheap shot at the past remarks of Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell. Tory MPs were whipped into supporting bombing Syria, unlike Labour which (eventually) gave MPs a free vote.-1 -
But Surbiton - one party only is going to tax and spend like drunken sailors - it ain't the tories.surbiton said:
In that case, they could have ruled out any income tax rate increases like they did in 2015.IanB2 said:The "promise" simply indicates that the Tories will look to raise money in lots of other places but not from income tax. There are tons of potential candidates already identified by PB'ers.
Noticeably, THEY HAVE NOT.
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That would seem to say that it doesn't. Since you need your employer to sign the form...eek said:
https://www.yourvotematters.co.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0005/222467/Emergency-employment-or-service-proxy-vote-application-form.pdf is the form you need...Philip_Thompson said:
I imagine a job interview counts as an unforeseen work or occupational reason.ThreeQuidder said:
My council website says:Philip_Thompson said:
I thought for emergencies you could apply for a proxy vote even on the day? Though the emergency may have to be medical.alex. said:
I think the deadline has passed. Certainly on my local council website it has.OldKingCole said:
Can one still apply for a proxy vote? Surely someone knows. Family member, living S. Essex has a job interview in Manchester at midday on Thursday.MarqueeMark said:How much is Twitter and Facebook going to be dominated next Thursday by Da Yoof complaining "Some old bastard at the Polling Station stopped me from voting for Corbyn. Said I wasn't registered or summat. And even if I was, I don't live in Islington. These fucking old people are robbing us of our democratic rights!"
Emergency proxy voting
You can arrange for an emergency proxy if you can't get to the polling station in person on the day due to either:
a medical emergency
unforeseen work or occupational reasons.
You can apply for an emergency proxy up to 5pm on 8 June 2017.0 -
Cameron before election in 2010
PROMISE : "I want my children, your children, to grow up in a country... where climate change and the environment aren't an afterthought. That means setting targets for reducing carbon but it also means taking tough decisions to make sure we meet them. I tried to make a start this morning by biking to work. That was a carbon-neutral journey until the BBC sent a helicopter following me."
Cameron once in office
REALITY : The PM's husky-hugging, glacier-loving credentials raised eyebrows when we revealed a gas-guzzling car was following his bike ride to carry his shoes . The U-turn was complete when he told colleagues it was time to cut the 'green crap' , prompting outrage from environmental groups. Tariffs for solar energy have been slashed and the Green Investment Bank is being sold off.
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Cameron on media and public policy before election
PROMISE : "I don't want us to invent policies for newspaper headlines. I want us to get it right for the long term."
Cameron once he became prime minister
REALITY : The Tories have repeatedly been accused of 'headline grabbing' with their plans to scrap the Human Rights Act. The move came after a string of lurid news stories about terror suspects abusing the law. Campaigners argue these are rare and it would be dangerous to deprive honest Brits of their rights just to appear tough on terror. More than 200,000 people signed an online petition demanding the issue goes to a national vote.-1 -
I seem to recall that you thought Labour would win it in 2015.dyedwoolie said:Betting post. For anybody thinking HP is a possibility you might want to look at Norwich North. Whilst it is much less city based than its partner seat of Clive Lewis, the city segments of the constituency swung to Labour in the locals and the Green 4% will get eaten up as they are disintegrating in Norwich. Against that there was 14% UKIP to farm. There are quite a few students in the seat, falling outside the University areas of South Norwich. In the main it is young professional and young families with a reasonable older block too.
DYOR but given the swing TO Labour in Norwich at the Locals, if things have tightened since then 12 to 1 is an attractive bet on Labour.
Not value if you think Con majority is the result though.
Chloe by 5k IMO.
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A plan for a more prosperous Britain than Labour that says nothing about Brexit being the cause of that and it also includes the words 'stronger' ie with reclaimed sovereignty and 'fairer' ie with fairer and more controlled immigration rulesSouthamObserver said:
She is promising a Brexit that brings more prosperity.HYUFD said:
The Tory manifesto says nothing about a big boost to economic growth as a direct result of Brexit, just that the Tories will make post Brexit Britain more prosperous than Labour and will implement the Brexit Leave voters voted for with an end to free movement and no 100 billion euros to the EU and reclaimed sovereignty. If May gets a majority the British people will have endorsed that BrexitSouthamObserver said:
Read May's intro to the Tory manifesto.HYUFD said:
Nope May said there were some advantages in staying in the EU but she would see Brexit through as the British people wanted with no free movement, no 100 billion euros to the EU and departure from the single market and if she wins a majority she will have a mandate for that from the British peopleSouthamObserver said:
Yep - her call is to decide what kind of Brexit it will be. She has promised to make voters more prosperous and will be judged on that.Charles said:
The British people made the decision to leave and, like a good public servant, she will do what her employers instructRoger said:FPT.
Dimbleby asked the telling question;
'You say you have called the election because of Brexit.
Last week you said 'Leaving the EU would make us MORE prosperous'
Last year you said' Leaving the EU would make us LESS prosperous'
"What's changed?"
"A plan for a stronger, fairer, more prosperous Britain"
That is what she will be judged on. If you do not agree, fair enough. We'll see what happens.0 -
Michael Fallon to become CotE after the election (if Tezza wins) ?0
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FAKE NEWS.MaxPB said:
Fallon has just said no income tax rises "across the spectrum" so one assumes that won't now happen. Personally I'd be really surprised if they put up income tax, NI not so much because they tried before the election and failed.surbiton said:
She did not give any assurance about Income Tax payers other than general platitudes about what a good party the Tories are about taxes.MaxPB said:
Obviously, because they want to put up NI.surbiton said:She could have said in a straight-forward manner that taxes will not be increased. She skirted that.
TAX BOMBSHELL
The Tories have form on this matter. Thatcher's denial about VAT followed by increase from 8% to 15% in just a few weeks. Major also increased NIC from 9% to 11% after denying it.
This is The Telegraph headline.
No income tax rises for high earners under Tory government, minister reveals
Read for yourself. No such words like "across the spectrum". Stop making it up.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/02/no-income-tax-rises-high-earners-tory-government-minister-reveals/
No such assurance has been given about basic rate taxpayers.0 -
It was a huge issue in 1993 - looking back at the polls, the Tories took two big hits, one in late 1992 after Black Wednesday (low 40s to mid 30s) and another after the March 1993 VAT on Fuel budget (mid 30s to high 20s). Labour was relentless in attacking the issue thru 1993 until it was actually introduced in 1994, and the sudden rise in fuel bills affected everyone so it was big news. The Tories polled below 30% almost continuously thereafter thru 1997.MyBurningEars said:
Your memory trumps mine - bravo!IanB2 said:
I was thinking of these, before the 1992 election, after which Major put VAT on fuel:MyBurningEars said:
Actually thinking about it I wonder if you have mixed up Thatcher's "not planned" VAT rise with Major's "not planned" NIC rise? Lamont raised VAT from 15% to 17.5% in 1991, i.e. before the election. During the election there were "no plans" to raise NI. Then in 1993, up it went.IanB2 said:
For older readers, we remember "no plans" as John Major's promise on VAT, before he put it up.malcolmg said:
Very deniable , "No Plans" is absolutely meaningless. Next week they will have plans and they will not be to help the poor.NickPalmer said:What do people make of this story?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/02/no-income-tax-rises-high-earners-tory-government-minister-reveals/
It seems odd for a minister who isn't the Chancellor to issue a previously denied taxation pledge a few days before an election. Deniable, perhaps?
But reading the article the absolutely key word in the promise is "income" just before "tax".
Like you, it was Major I immediately thought of when I saw the "no plans" ... that looked dangerous from the outset!
"We have no plans to increase VAT...there will be no VAT increase."
John Major, House of Commons, 28 January 1992
"We have no plans and no need to increase the impact of VAT."
John Major, The Times, 20 March 1992
"We have no plans and no need to raise extra resources from value-added tax."
John Major, 23 March 1992
edit/ Tony Blair only became leader in summer 1994; contrary to common recollections nowadays, his taking the helm came well after the Tories' doom was predestined, at least by the polls.0 -
Most GP Practices are private businesses.Ishmael_Z said:
That's right, we laugh in the face of the notion that "My word is my bond." My favourite gag is that one about "no plans to privatise the NHS" - cracks me up every time.TravelJunkie said:The reason tories make promises and break them is because tory voters don't care that they lie because in everyday life they do the same.
Most drugs are discovered and provided by private businesses.
Most hospitals are built by private businesses.
Most hospital equipment is designed and built by private businesses.
What's not to like?0 -
I'm hoping the Tories can get rid of some of the mad tax breaks non PAYErs get at the moment.0
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Roughly what proportion of votes cast were postal in 2015? My vague recollection is 20%, but I can't see a firm figure. And presumably it varies hugely by type of constituency.0
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Tezza will win Maidenhead.GIN1138 said:Michael Fallon to become CotE after the election (if Tezza wins) ?
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When you promise more prosperity that's what you're promising. When you are promising Brexit that is what you are promising. When you are promising more prosperity and Brexit then that is what you are promising. There really is no getting round that, I'm afraid. But if you wish to believe there is, that's fine by me!HYUFD said:
A plan for a more prosperous Britain than Labour that says nothing about Brexit being the cause of that and it also includes the words 'stronger' ie with reclaimed sovereignty and fairer ie with fairer and more controlled immigration rulesSouthamObserver said:
She is promising a Brexit that brings more prosperity.HYUFD said:
The Tory manifesto says nothing about a big boost to economic growth as a direct result of Brexit, just that the Tories will make post Brexit Britain more prosperous than Labour and will implement the Brexit Leave voters voted for with an end to free movement and no 100 billion euros to the EU and reclaimed sovereignty. If May gets a majority the British people will have endorsed that BrexitSouthamObserver said:
Read May's intro to the Tory manifesto.HYUFD said:
Nope May said there were some advantages in staying in the EU but she would see Brexit through as the British people wanted with no free movement, no 100 billion euros to the EU and departure from the single market and if she wins a majority she will have a mandate for that from the British peopleSouthamObserver said:
Yep - her call is to decide what kind of Brexit it will be. She has promised to make voters more prosperous and will be judged on that.Charles said:
The British people made the decision to leave and, like a good public servant, she will do what her employers instructRoger said:FPT.
Dimbleby asked the telling question;
'You say you have called the election because of Brexit.
Last week you said 'Leaving the EU would make us MORE prosperous'
Last year you said' Leaving the EU would make us LESS prosperous'
"What's changed?"
"A plan for a stronger, fairer, more prosperous Britain"
That is what she will be judged on. If you do not agree, fair enough. We'll see what happens.
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oh go on, what's the story?ThreeQuidder said:
I'm not sure why you're still bothering, don't you realise that you've been rumbled?TravelJunkie said:.
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As noted on QT last night, Trident is a multi-Parliament commitment.Jonathan said:Wondering if anyone really thinks that 'pushing the button ' is actually going to come into play in the next five years and should be the deciding factor in this election.
The question is less whether Corbyn would push the button in the next 5 years (we know he wouldn't) but whether he will decommission it in the next 5 years so the next PM couldn't0 -
Eh? This is from the article:surbiton said:
FAKE NEWS.MaxPB said:
Fallon has just said no income tax rises "across the spectrum" so one assumes that won't now happen. Personally I'd be really surprised if they put up income tax, NI not so much because they tried before the election and failed.surbiton said:
She did not give any assurance about Income Tax payers other than general platitudes about what a good party the Tories are about taxes.MaxPB said:
Obviously, because they want to put up NI.surbiton said:She could have said in a straight-forward manner that taxes will not be increased. She skirted that.
TAX BOMBSHELL
The Tories have form on this matter. Thatcher's denial about VAT followed by increase from 8% to 15% in just a few weeks. Major also increased NIC from 9% to 11% after denying it.
This is The Telegraph headline.
No income tax rises for high earners under Tory government, minister reveals
Read for yourself. No such words like "across the spectrum". Stop making it up.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/02/no-income-tax-rises-high-earners-tory-government-minister-reveals/
No such assurance has been given about basic rate taxpayers.
"Asked if high earners could confidently vote Conservative next week, safe in the knowledge that their income tax would not go up, Sir Michael said: “Yes. You’ve seen our record..."0 -
...she needs to hold her other five seats to keep her majority?David_Evershed said:
Tezza will win Maidenhead.GIN1138 said:Michael Fallon to become CotE after the election (if Tezza wins) ?
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See my edit afterwards - I suspect you need to enter the interviewer as the employer....ThreeQuidder said:
That would seem to say that it doesn't. Since you need your employer to sign the form...eek said:
https://www.yourvotematters.co.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0005/222467/Emergency-employment-or-service-proxy-vote-application-form.pdf is the form you need...Philip_Thompson said:
I imagine a job interview counts as an unforeseen work or occupational reason.ThreeQuidder said:
My council website says:Philip_Thompson said:
I thought for emergencies you could apply for a proxy vote even on the day? Though the emergency may have to be medical.alex. said:
I think the deadline has passed. Certainly on my local council website it has.OldKingCole said:
Can one still apply for a proxy vote? Surely someone knows. Family member, living S. Essex has a job interview in Manchester at midday on Thursday.MarqueeMark said:How much is Twitter and Facebook going to be dominated next Thursday by Da Yoof complaining "Some old bastard at the Polling Station stopped me from voting for Corbyn. Said I wasn't registered or summat. And even if I was, I don't live in Islington. These fucking old people are robbing us of our democratic rights!"
Emergency proxy voting
You can arrange for an emergency proxy if you can't get to the polling station in person on the day due to either:
a medical emergency
unforeseen work or occupational reasons.
You can apply for an emergency proxy up to 5pm on 8 June 2017.0 -
Thanet South - votes cast 46,357 of which 8,308 were postal - nearly 18%NickPalmer said:Roughly what proportion of votes cast were postal in 2015? My vague recollection is 20%, but I can't see a firm figure. And presumably it varies hugely by type of constituency.
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Only one institute is still doing them regularly, but Survation is doing them now and then. They used to be thought the gold standard vs panel surveys, but I'm not sure if that's still the case as there are well-known difficulties in identifyng people by mobile.alex. said:
I thought everyone had stopped doing phone polls? Do we have split for this election?nunu said:
TSE (I think) speculated that ICM will be relatively good for the Tories as Boon had put out tweets expressing scepticism about good polls for Labour and also indivcating that he'd seen data currently coming inb for ICM.0 -
Yep, Dewsbury. William Hague also. The local press don't seem to be impressed with Theresa either.peter_from_putney said:
Probably chasing after neighbouring, highly marginal Dewsbury.Typo said:May looks to be in Huddersfield. Make of that what you will.
The Tories have absolutely no chance of displacing long-serving Barry Sheerman in rock solid Labour safe Huddersfield itself.
BTW Earlier in the campaign, I backed Labour to hold Dewsbury, from where I am typing this, at odds of 4/1 which have now narrowed to 2/1. It smacks of being a lost cause for the Tories, where for such a winnable seat they selected a 22 year old inexperienced supermarket assistant ..... I mean no disrespect, but this is a seat they should have gobbled up with ease
http://www.examiner.co.uk/news/theresa-may-conservative-dewsbury-election-131319930 -
Well, my decision was easy because my MP is a Labour Brexiteer, so I just moved on to the LD. Might have had a dilemma if the Tory had been a Remainer though!nielh said:
exactly: better that brexit is owned by the tories rather than fudged by labour which would only embolden the forces behind it.Peter_the_Punter said:
These are pretty much my own views, Niel.nielh said:Any incoming government is going to face two impossible challenges: Brexit and reducing the deficit. When you add to this the problem of meeting voter apparent expectations for improving living standards etc (they are turning their nose up at the one vaguely sensible plan to deal with these issues), you realise that no politician can possibly square all these circles. Corbyn is effectively the first of many fantasists. So its pretty much uncharted territory.
Although generally left leaning, I'd marginally prefer a Conservative government because I want them to own Brexit.
Cant bring myself to put my x in the box for the tories though.0 -
Some analysis put it recently at around 20%. The take up of PVs is about 16% and the GE return rate about 83%, of which 2-3% are disqualified (most for not filling in the ID forms properly or not matching the application form). So an 80% turnout compared to ?<65% at the polling station.NickPalmer said:Roughly what proportion of votes cast were postal in 2015? My vague recollection is 20%, but I can't see a firm figure. And presumably it varies hugely by type of constituency.
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That is about high earners. Where is the assurance about basic rate taxpayers ? When you are in a hole.....rottenborough said:
Eh? This is from the article:surbiton said:
FAKE NEWS.MaxPB said:
Fallon has just said no income tax rises "across the spectrum" so one assumes that won't now happen. Personally I'd be really surprised if they put up income tax, NI not so much because they tried before the election and failed.surbiton said:
She did not give any assurance about Income Tax payers other than general platitudes about what a good party the Tories are about taxes.MaxPB said:
Obviously, because they want to put up NI.surbiton said:She could have said in a straight-forward manner that taxes will not be increased. She skirted that.
TAX BOMBSHELL
The Tories have form on this matter. Thatcher's denial about VAT followed by increase from 8% to 15% in just a few weeks. Major also increased NIC from 9% to 11% after denying it.
This is The Telegraph headline.
No income tax rises for high earners under Tory government, minister reveals
Read for yourself. No such words like "across the spectrum". Stop making it up.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/02/no-income-tax-rises-high-earners-tory-government-minister-reveals/
No such assurance has been given about basic rate taxpayers.
"Asked if high earners could confidently vote Conservative next week, safe in the knowledge that their income tax would not go up, Sir Michael said: “Yes. You’ve seen our record..."0 -
oohNickPalmer said:
Only one institute is still doing them regularly, but Survation is doing them now and then. They used to be thought the gold standard vs panel surveys, but I'm not sure if that's still the case as there are well-known difficulties in identifyng people by mobile.alex. said:
I thought everyone had stopped doing phone polls? Do we have split for this election?nunu said:
TSE (I think) speculated that ICM will be relatively good for the Tories as Boon had put out tweets expressing scepticism about good polls for Labour and also indivcating that he'd seen data currently coming inb for ICM.0 -
I hope that they are paying you at least the minimum wage given how much time you are spending on here. And on a Saturday too.TravelJunkie said:Cameron on media and public policy before election
PROMISE : "I don't want us to invent policies for newspaper headlines. I want us to get it right for the long term."
Cameron once he became prime minister
REALITY : The Tories have repeatedly been accused of 'headline grabbing' with their plans to scrap the Human Rights Act. The move came after a string of lurid news stories about terror suspects abusing the law. Campaigners argue these are rare and it would be dangerous to deprive honest Brits of their rights just to appear tough on terror. More than 200,000 people signed an online petition demanding the issue goes to a national vote.0 -
How else do you think we secure a supply of babies to eat?TravelJunkie said:The reason tories make promises and break them is because tory voters don't care that they lie because in everyday life they do the same.
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Astroturfer, natch.BannedInParis said:
oh go on, what's the story?ThreeQuidder said:
I'm not sure why you're still bothering, don't you realise that you've been rumbled?TravelJunkie said:.
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Since they are going for a job just make sure that the company didn't give them the interview date until after the closing date for normal postal/proxy votes! Otherwise they risk not getting the job as well as not getting the vote.ThreeQuidder said:
That would seem to say that it doesn't. Since you need your employer to sign the form...eek said:
https://www.yourvotematters.co.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0005/222467/Emergency-employment-or-service-proxy-vote-application-form.pdf is the form you need...Philip_Thompson said:
I imagine a job interview counts as an unforeseen work or occupational reason.ThreeQuidder said:
My council website says:Philip_Thompson said:
I thought for emergencies you could apply for a proxy vote even on the day? Though the emergency may have to be medical.alex. said:
I think the deadline has passed. Certainly on my local council website it has.OldKingCole said:
Can one still apply for a proxy vote? Surely someone knows. Family member, living S. Essex has a job interview in Manchester at midday on Thursday.MarqueeMark said:How much is Twitter and Facebook going to be dominated next Thursday by Da Yoof complaining "Some old bastard at the Polling Station stopped me from voting for Corbyn. Said I wasn't registered or summat. And even if I was, I don't live in Islington. These fucking old people are robbing us of our democratic rights!"
Emergency proxy voting
You can arrange for an emergency proxy if you can't get to the polling station in person on the day due to either:
a medical emergency
unforeseen work or occupational reasons.
You can apply for an emergency proxy up to 5pm on 8 June 2017.0 -
It is reported in the papers on a regular basis, we know our lot and the yanks don't report it surprisingly. Still for the Tories on here, it is just collateral damage , a few foreigners who don't count in the grand scheme of things.Philip_Thompson said:
There is no evidence for that.malcolmg said:
LOL, the evidence proves otherwise, they hit more weddings , schools , hospitals etc than they do terrorists.MarqueeMark said:
They could drop a nuke on the display screen of your smart phone these days malc.... Tragically, they won't!malcolmg said:
LOL, you can guarantee they would be lucky to get right country never mind 5 blocks. You need to stop reading fantasy books.MarqueeMark said:
Because my advisors have told me that is the only 100% certain way to eliminate the threat to ten of the world's finest cities. We know within a five block radius where the weapons are, but don't have eyes on them. For example.SouthamObserver said:
Why would it need to be a nuke?MarqueeMark said:
We have intelligence that ISIS has acquired ten suitcase size nuclear bombs. They are currently in Raqqa. In 2 hours they will be dispersed by agents seeking to send them to destroy 10 western cities. In that case, I would deploy a nuke. Fuck yes.TravelJunkie said:
WHY WOULD ANYONE DEPLOY A NUCLEAR WEAPON? ARE YOU TOTALLY FUCKING MAD!Charles said:
Yes. But the theory of nuclear deterrent is that the knowledge of the damage it would cause to their own country prevents any rational actor from pressing the button first.TravelJunkie said:What I learnt from the debate last night
1) There are people in this country that are happy to drop a bomb and kill millions of innocent people.
2) If your not prepared to kill millions of innocent people then your fit to be PM.
If anyone pressed the nuclear button we would all be dead.
Clearly the doctrine is not a perfect defence, but it is part of the set of tools that we have.0 -
Yes - it's a classic case of answering a specific question and mischievous newspapers trying to expand it to raise an issue about something that wasn't asked.rottenborough said:
Eh? This is from the article:surbiton said:
FAKE NEWS.MaxPB said:
Fallon has just said no income tax rises "across the spectrum" so one assumes that won't now happen. Personally I'd be really surprised if they put up income tax, NI not so much because they tried before the election and failed.surbiton said:
She did not give any assurance about Income Tax payers other than general platitudes about what a good party the Tories are about taxes.MaxPB said:
Obviously, because they want to put up NI.surbiton said:She could have said in a straight-forward manner that taxes will not be increased. She skirted that.
TAX BOMBSHELL
The Tories have form on this matter. Thatcher's denial about VAT followed by increase from 8% to 15% in just a few weeks. Major also increased NIC from 9% to 11% after denying it.
This is The Telegraph headline.
No income tax rises for high earners under Tory government, minister reveals
Read for yourself. No such words like "across the spectrum". Stop making it up.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/02/no-income-tax-rises-high-earners-tory-government-minister-reveals/
No such assurance has been given about basic rate taxpayers.
"Asked if high earners could confidently vote Conservative next week, safe in the knowledge that their income tax would not go up, Sir Michael said: “Yes. You’ve seen our record..."0 -
You do realise that how people campaigned before last June is irrelevant now that the people decided and A50 is invoked... Don't you?Peter_the_Punter said:
Well, my decision was easy because my MP is a Labour Brexiteer, so I just moved on to the LD. Might have had a dilemma if the Tory had been a Remainer though!nielh said:
exactly: better that brexit is owned by the tories rather than fudged by labour which would only embolden the forces behind it.Peter_the_Punter said:
These are pretty much my own views, Niel.nielh said:Any incoming government is going to face two impossible challenges: Brexit and reducing the deficit. When you add to this the problem of meeting voter apparent expectations for improving living standards etc (they are turning their nose up at the one vaguely sensible plan to deal with these issues), you realise that no politician can possibly square all these circles. Corbyn is effectively the first of many fantasists. So its pretty much uncharted territory.
Although generally left leaning, I'd marginally prefer a Conservative government because I want them to own Brexit.
Cant bring myself to put my x in the box for the tories though.0 -
The Trident and nukes equivocations from Corbyn crystallise the concerns voters have about him and security policy generally that his past create. Put simply, people worry he will not protect them and their families to the extent May will. And that is what will ensure Labour loses. In Brexit Britainyou may be able to win from the left, but you cannot equivocate or be regarded as weak on security and defence issues.Scott_P said:
As noted on QT last night, Trident is a multi-Parliament commitment.Jonathan said:Wondering if anyone really thinks that 'pushing the button ' is actually going to come into play in the next five years and should be the deciding factor in this election.
The question is less whether Corbyn would push the button in the next 5 years (we know he wouldn't) but whether he will decommission it in the next 5 years so the next PM couldn't
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From the Guardian
May was also asked whether she was insulting the public’s intelligence “with stupid slogans?” “I’ve been running a campaign which has been setting out the very clear choice the British people have and the very real challenges the government faces over the next five years,” she said. “It’s an important of change for our country, that choice is between a strong and stable leadership… or Jeremy Corbyn and a coalition of chaos.”0 -
He'll be gone by the 9th, whatever the result. shrugs.ThreeQuidder said:
Astroturfer, natch.BannedInParis said:
oh go on, what's the story?ThreeQuidder said:
I'm not sure why you're still bothering, don't you realise that you've been rumbled?TravelJunkie said:.
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The Tories are a further 2 seats lower on the spreads this morning at 360 - 366 seats. Day after day, they keep on sliding lower and lower. Nothing and nobody seems able to halt their decline which is all most depressing for members of the Blue Team.0
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p.s. there is data on different levels of PV take up by seat here, which a PB'er helpfully pointed me towards last week. The big difference is that there are way more PVs in the North East, where the all-PV trials were held.IanB2 said:
Some analysis put it recently at around 20%. The take up of PVs is about 16% and the GE return rate about 83%, of which 2-3% are disqualified (most for not filling in the ID forms properly or not matching the application form). So an 80% turnout compared to ?<65% at the polling station.</p>NickPalmer said:Roughly what proportion of votes cast were postal in 2015? My vague recollection is 20%, but I can't see a firm figure. And presumably it varies hugely by type of constituency.
http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0008/191861/Plymouth-UKPGE-electoral-data-report-final-WEB.pdf0 -
Yup. If your tunnel comes up within the field of fire of the machine guns, that might be described as sub-optimalSouthamObserver said:
Depends where you escape to.0 -
They started at 390, right ?peter_from_putney said:The Tories are a further 2 seats lower on the spreads this morning at 360 - 366 seats. Day after day, they keep on sliding lower and lower. Nothing and nobody seems able to halt their decline which is all most depressing for members of the Blue Team.
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That's discipline for you.FF43 said:From the Guardian
May was also asked whether she was insulting the public’s intelligence “with stupid slogans?” “I’ve been running a campaign which has been setting out the very clear choice the British people have and the very real challenges the government faces over the next five years,” she said. “It’s an important of change for our country, that choice is between a strong and stable leadership… or Jeremy Corbyn and a coalition of chaos.”
Stick to the message through thick and thin.
A characteristic not always seen nowadays.0 -
The voters will halt the decline when they turn out on 8th.peter_from_putney said:The Tories are a further 2 seats lower on the spreads this morning at 360 - 366 seats. Day after day, they keep on sliding lower and lower. Nothing and nobody seems able to halt their decline which is all most depressing for members of the Blue Team.
Newstatesman this weekend has long article by editor on Labour campaign. Time after time he has quotes from MPs and activists saying how badly they are going to do in reality. West Bromwich, Don Valley and so on are all in play. On a "Cliff edge" is one description from a canvasser.0 -
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Midpoint 363. Majority 76 (78 if Bercow doesn't count). Depressing?peter_from_putney said:The Tories are a further 2 seats lower on the spreads this morning at 360 - 366 seats. Day after day, they keep on sliding lower and lower. Nothing and nobody seems able to halt their decline which is all most depressing for members of the Blue Team.
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Stupidity, trying to pretend he is a big shot and got his foot stuck in his mouthsurbiton said:
She was just asked just now and she gave no assurance that taxes will not be increased. I am not sure why Fallon said what he said.NickPalmer said:
Yes, that's the obvious rejoinder - "You've half-reversed the pledge not to pledge but what about the other half? Aren't you all over the place?"HYUFD said:
You can increase NI instead for example without a flip flopHenry said:Lynton Crosby seems to have forgotten:
1) If in a hole stop digging.
2) A message of 'flip-flopping' can be highly damaging - as seen during the John Kerry's presidential campaign.
We already had: TM the 'Remainer' organising 'Brexit'; TM the PM saying 'no election' then calling an election; and, deviation from the brand new manifesto with the social care U-turn and on social housing.
But today: 'No increase on income tax" .... Labour supporter will be searching for their flip-flops to start waving about!
But at this stage the issue is what to concentrate on, and I'm not sure that getting into that muddle is the priority.
BBC News 24 is running this. This will run and run.0 -
The Tory MP now under investigation is a former deputy leader of UKIP and UKIP had already said they would not put up candidates in seats where the sitting MP was clearly a Brexiteer.isam said:
A bit strange that UKIP didn't stand a better known candidate in Thanet South isn't it? They must have known there was a fair chance of scandalThreeQuidder said:0 -
Corbyn finally lost GE 2017 at around 9pm last night.SouthamObserver said:
The Trident and nukes equivocations from Corbyn crystallise the concerns voters have about him and security policy generally that his past create. Put simply, people worry he will not protect them and their families to the extent May will. And that is what will ensure Labour loses. In Brexit Britainyou may be able to win from the left, but you cannot equivocate or be regarded as weak on security and defence issues.Scott_P said:
As noted on QT last night, Trident is a multi-Parliament commitment.Jonathan said:Wondering if anyone really thinks that 'pushing the button ' is actually going to come into play in the next five years and should be the deciding factor in this election.
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is there a link for this at all, please? or is it paper onlyrottenborough said:
The voters will halt the decline when they turn out on 8th.peter_from_putney said:The Tories are a further 2 seats lower on the spreads this morning at 360 - 366 seats. Day after day, they keep on sliding lower and lower. Nothing and nobody seems able to halt their decline which is all most depressing for members of the Blue Team.
Newstatesman this weekend has long article by editor on Labour campaign. Time after time he has quotes from MPs and activists saying how badly they are going to do in reality. West Bromwich, Don Valley and so on are all in play. On a "Cliff edge" is one description from a canvasser.0 -
I would expect the betting to lag the polls, partly because punters take time to reflect on the polls and news, and partly because of the weight of money already on the table?ThreeQuidder said:
Midpoint 363. Majority 76 (78 if Bercow doesn't count). Depressing?peter_from_putney said:The Tories are a further 2 seats lower on the spreads this morning at 360 - 366 seats. Day after day, they keep on sliding lower and lower. Nothing and nobody seems able to halt their decline which is all most depressing for members of the Blue Team.
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There will be a lag between an actual fall in the voters' intentions and showing up on the markets. The questions are whether the decline will continue into next week or possibly the decline has already halted but isn't showing up yet.peter_from_putney said:The Tories are a further 2 seats lower on the spreads this morning at 360 - 366 seats. Day after day, they keep on sliding lower and lower. Nothing and nobody seems able to halt their decline which is all most depressing for members of the Blue Team.
And obviously whether the headline figures are correct. I am assuming the decline is real.0 -
In honesty, I was hoping for 'dog in a man suit'ThreeQuidder said:
Astroturfer, natch.BannedInParis said:
oh go on, what's the story?ThreeQuidder said:
I'm not sure why you're still bothering, don't you realise that you've been rumbled?TravelJunkie said:.
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Then why pick a candidate at all?Richard_Tyndall said:
The Tory MP now under investigation is a former deputy leader of UKIP and UKIP had already said they would not put up candidates in seats where the sitting MP was clearly a Brexiteer.isam said:
A bit strange that UKIP didn't stand a better known candidate in Thanet South isn't it? They must have known there was a fair chance of scandalThreeQuidder said:0 -
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McKinley will win in Thanet South &
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UKIP candidate is the Reverend Stuart Piperisam said:
Then why pick a candidate at all?Richard_Tyndall said:
The Tory MP now under investigation is a former deputy leader of UKIP and UKIP had already said they would not put up candidates in seats where the sitting MP was clearly a Brexiteer.isam said:
A bit strange that UKIP didn't stand a better known candidate in Thanet South isn't it? They must have known there was a fair chance of scandalThreeQuidder said:0 -
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Serious question: how does this kind of behaviour by Boris Johnson go down with voters?
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Paper only at moment. I think they put stuff online a day or two after the magazine comes out to try and encourage buying it first.BannedInParis said:
is there a link for this at all, please? or is it paper onlyrottenborough said:
The voters will halt the decline when they turn out on 8th.peter_from_putney said:The Tories are a further 2 seats lower on the spreads this morning at 360 - 366 seats. Day after day, they keep on sliding lower and lower. Nothing and nobody seems able to halt their decline which is all most depressing for members of the Blue Team.
Newstatesman this weekend has long article by editor on Labour campaign. Time after time he has quotes from MPs and activists saying how badly they are going to do in reality. West Bromwich, Don Valley and so on are all in play. On a "Cliff edge" is one description from a canvasser.0 -
I'm an on-message kind of guy, but I am not sure this is working for Theresa May. Having said that, I think she was boosted by Question Time last night. First of all by showing up and somewhat neutralising her previous no-shows and secondly by looking more sensible than robotic.David_Evershed said:
That's discipline for you.FF43 said:From the Guardian
May was also asked whether she was insulting the public’s intelligence “with stupid slogans?” “I’ve been running a campaign which has been setting out the very clear choice the British people have and the very real challenges the government faces over the next five years,” she said. “It’s an important of change for our country, that choice is between a strong and stable leadership… or Jeremy Corbyn and a coalition of chaos.”
Stick to the message through thick and thin.
A characteristic not always seen nowadays.0 -
Mr. Quidder, it'd get me a 7 winner
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