'You say you have called the election because of Brexit.
Last week you said 'Leaving the EU would make us MORE prosperous'
Last year you said' Leaving the EU would make us LESS prosperous'
"What's changed?"
The British people made the decision to leave and, like a good public servant, she will do what her employers instruct
Yep - her call is to decide what kind of Brexit it will be. She has promised to make voters more prosperous and will be judged on that.
Nope May said there were some advantages in staying in the EU but she would see Brexit through as the British people wanted with no free movement, no 100 billion euros to the EU and departure from the single market and if she wins a majority she will have a mandate for that from the British people
Read May's intro to the Tory manifesto.
The Tory manifesto says nothing about a big boost to economic growth as a direct result of Brexit, just that the Tories will make post Brexit Britain more prosperous than Labour and will implement the Brexit Leave voters voted for with an end to free movement and no 100 billion euros to the EU and reclaimed sovereignty. If May gets a majority the British people will have endorsed that Brexit
She could have said in a straight-forward manner that taxes will not be increased. She skirted that.
TAX BOMBSHELL
Obviously, because they want to put up NI.
She did not give any assurance about Income Tax payers other than general platitudes about what a good party the Tories are about taxes.
The Tories have form on this matter. Thatcher's denial about VAT followed by increase from 8% to 15% in just a few weeks. Major also increased NIC from 9% to 11% after denying it.
How much is Twitter and Facebook going to be dominated next Thursday by Da Yoof complaining "Some old bastard at the Polling Station stopped me from voting for Corbyn. Said I wasn't registered or summat. And even if I was, I don't live in Islington. These fucking old people are robbing us of our democratic rights!"
Can one still apply for a proxy vote? Surely someone knows. Family member, living S. Essex has a job interview in Manchester at midday on Thursday.
I think the deadline has passed. Certainly on my local council website it has.
I thought for emergencies you could apply for a proxy vote even on the day? Though the emergency may have to be medical.
My council website says:
Emergency proxy voting
You can arrange for an emergency proxy if you can't get to the polling station in person on the day due to either: a medical emergency unforeseen work or occupational reasons. You can apply for an emergency proxy up to 5pm on 8 June 2017.
The reason tories make promises and break them is because tory voters don't care that they lie because in everyday life they do the same.
That's right, we laugh in the face of the notion that "My word is my bond." My favourite gag is that one about "no plans to privatise the NHS" - cracks me up every time.
How much is Twitter and Facebook going to be dominated next Thursday by Da Yoof complaining "Some old bastard at the Polling Station stopped me from voting for Corbyn. Said I wasn't registered or summat. And even if I was, I don't live in Islington. These fucking old people are robbing us of our democratic rights!"
Can one still apply for a proxy vote? Surely someone knows. Family member, living S. Essex has a job interview in Manchester at midday on Thursday.
I think the deadline has passed. Certainly on my local council website it has.
I thought for emergencies you could apply for a proxy vote even on the day? Though the emergency may have to be medical.
My council website says:
Emergency proxy voting
You can arrange for an emergency proxy if you can't get to the polling station in person on the day due to either: a medical emergency unforeseen work or occupational reasons. You can apply for an emergency proxy up to 5pm on 8 June 2017.
Yes, wot he said. Emergency proxy applications are checked particularly strongly, as you'd expect - it does have to be a genuine unforeseen reason; not having got around to arranging one for an interview date someone has known about for a while won't cut it IMO.
How much is Twitter and Facebook going to be dominated next Thursday by Da Yoof complaining "Some old bastard at the Polling Station stopped me from voting for Corbyn. Said I wasn't registered or summat. And even if I was, I don't live in Islington. These fucking old people are robbing us of our democratic rights!"
Can one still apply for a proxy vote? Surely someone knows. Family member, living S. Essex has a job interview in Manchester at midday on Thursday.
I think the deadline has passed. Certainly on my local council website it has.
I thought for emergencies you could apply for a proxy vote even on the day? Though the emergency may have to be medical.
My council website says:
Emergency proxy voting
You can arrange for an emergency proxy if you can't get to the polling station in person on the day due to either: a medical emergency unforeseen work or occupational reasons. You can apply for an emergency proxy up to 5pm on 8 June 2017.
I imagine a job interview counts as an unforeseen work or occupational reason.
She could have said in a straight-forward manner that taxes will not be increased. She skirted that.
TAX BOMBSHELL
Obviously, because they want to put up NI.
She did not give any assurance about Income Tax payers other than general platitudes about what a good party the Tories are about taxes.
The Tories have form on this matter. Thatcher's denial about VAT followed by increase from 8% to 15% in just a few weeks. Major also increased NIC from 9% to 11% after denying it.
Fallon has just said no income tax rises "across the spectrum" so one assumes that won't now happen. Personally I'd be really surprised if they put up income tax, NI not so much because they tried before the election and failed.
Betting post. For anybody thinking HP is a possibility you might want to look at Norwich North. Whilst it is much less city based than its partner seat of Clive Lewis, the city segments of the constituency swung to Labour in the locals and the Green 4% will get eaten up as they are disintegrating in Norwich. Against that there was 14% UKIP to farm. There are quite a few students in the seat, falling outside the University areas of South Norwich. In the main it is young professional and young families with a reasonable older block too. DYOR but given the swing TO Labour in Norwich at the Locals, if things have tightened since then 12 to 1 is an attractive bet on Labour. Not value if you think Con majority is the result though.
'You say you have called the election because of Brexit.
Last week you said 'Leaving the EU would make us MORE prosperous'
Last year you said' Leaving the EU would make us LESS prosperous'
"What's changed?"
The British people made the decision to leave and, like a good public servant, she will do what her employers instruct
Yep - her call is to decide what kind of Brexit it will be. She has promised to make voters more prosperous and will be judged on that.
Nope May said there were some advantages in staying in the EU but she would see Brexit through as the British people wanted with no free movement, no 100 billion euros to the EU and departure from the single market and if she wins a majority she will have a mandate for that from the British people
Read May's intro to the Tory manifesto.
The Tory manifesto says nothing about a big boost to economic growth as a direct result of Brexit, just that the Tories will make post Brexit Britain more prosperous than Labour and will implement the Brexit Leave voters voted for with an end to free movement and no 100 billion euros to the EU and reclaimed sovereignty. If May gets a majority the British people will have endorsed that Brexit
She is promising a Brexit that brings more prosperity.
"A plan for a stronger, fairer, more prosperous Britain"
That is what she will be judged on. If you do not agree, fair enough. We'll see what happens.
They used to call the Tory party the nasty party - some Labour supporters should look at themselves first
Taking money from the disabled. More people homeless. Public sector workers 1% pay rise in 7 years. military have no jobs to go into when home. taking money from people who don't continue to lie to the british people and break promises. taking your home to pay for social care with no knowledge of what the cap is. Tax cuts for people that don't need it.
Tories continue to spend their money sponsoring hate campaigns - daily mail, the sun and daily telegraph.
Nasty party; I'm not ones advocating for the above and have a desire for the slaughter of millions of innocent people.
The reason tories make promises and break them is because tory voters don't care that they lie because in everyday life they do the same.
That's right, we laugh in the face of the notion that "My word is my bond." My favourite gag is that one about "no plans to privatise the NHS" - cracks me up every time.
My favourite is "x" hours to save the NHS" - How many times have Labour run that little gem out now?
They will be under pressure now to clarify which is right - "absolutely" no rise, or just "no plans" for a rise. If they say Fallon was wrong it will look terrible. Another tricky decision for May.
I would imagine the polls we get today will continue to show a narrowing of the position. Polls taken after last night wont be available until Monday i presume. I wo der if OGH is campaigning in C&W today
Giving his hand a rest after signing all those letters to London residents telling them that "only the Libs" ... etc
Turns out I received one yesterday, here in Dore.
Very surreal getting a leaflet from Mike Smithson of politicalbetting.com telling me to vote Lib Dem to stop Labour winning Sheffield Hallam.
I guess the LDs are hand delivering them?
Parties get one free Royal Mail delivery to each elector but the expense allowance pre-empts a paid for delivery eg 70,000 electors times 50p stamp each = £35,000.
This compares with a spending limit of around £15,000 depending on the number of electors.
Note: Parties normally use their free delivery in two batches so as to hit two elector households with a delivery to the first named occupant and a subsequent delivery to the second named occupant.
How much is Twitter and Facebook going to be dominated next Thursday by Da Yoof complaining "Some old bastard at the Polling Station stopped me from voting for Corbyn. Said I wasn't registered or summat. And even if I was, I don't live in Islington. These fucking old people are robbing us of our democratic rights!"
Can one still apply for a proxy vote? Surely someone knows. Family member, living S. Essex has a job interview in Manchester at midday on Thursday.
I think the deadline has passed. Certainly on my local council website it has.
I thought for emergencies you could apply for a proxy vote even on the day? Though the emergency may have to be medical.
My council website says:
Emergency proxy voting
You can arrange for an emergency proxy if you can't get to the polling station in person on the day due to either: a medical emergency unforeseen work or occupational reasons. You can apply for an emergency proxy up to 5pm on 8 June 2017.
I imagine a job interview counts as an unforeseen work or occupational reason.
Cameron before the election in 2010 PROMISE : "We need to change, and we will change, the way we behave. I'm fed up with the Punch and Judy politics of Westminster, the name calling, backbiting, point scoring, finger pointing."
Cameron After the election REALITY : Prime Minister's Questions remains just as rowdy as ever, with schoolboy MPs roaring at each other across the green benches. In the last few months it's Tory MPs who have been responsible for shouting down Jeremy Corbyn, despite the Labour leader's vow to create a 'new kind of politics'.
May looks to be in Huddersfield. Make of that what you will.
Probably chasing after neighbouring, highly marginal Dewsbury. The Tories have absolutely no chance of displacing long-serving Barry Sheerman in rock solid Labour safe Huddersfield itself.
BTW Earlier in the campaign, I backed Labour to hold Dewsbury, from where I am typing this, at odds of 4/1 which have now narrowed to 2/1. It smacks of being a lost cause for the Tories, where for such a winnable seat they selected a 22 year old inexperienced supermarket assistant ..... I mean no disrespect, but this is a seat they should have gobbled up with ease
Cameron after a terrorist attack. PROMISE : "We need to look at the problems of international terrorism, and I can promise that I will never play politics with that issue. I will do what is right for the country."
Cameron trying to go to war in syria REALITY : While the PM insists he is doing what's right for Britain, there's been a heavy air of politics over his decision to bomb Syria. He refused to apologise for calling anti-war MPs 'terrorist sympathisers' in a cheap shot at the past remarks of Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell. Tory MPs were whipped into supporting bombing Syria, unlike Labour which (eventually) gave MPs a free vote.
The "promise" simply indicates that the Tories will look to raise money in lots of other places but not from income tax. There are tons of potential candidates already identified by PB'ers.
In that case, they could have ruled out any income tax rate increases like they did in 2015.
Noticeably, THEY HAVE NOT.
But Surbiton - one party only is going to tax and spend like drunken sailors - it ain't the tories.
How much is Twitter and Facebook going to be dominated next Thursday by Da Yoof complaining "Some old bastard at the Polling Station stopped me from voting for Corbyn. Said I wasn't registered or summat. And even if I was, I don't live in Islington. These fucking old people are robbing us of our democratic rights!"
Can one still apply for a proxy vote? Surely someone knows. Family member, living S. Essex has a job interview in Manchester at midday on Thursday.
I think the deadline has passed. Certainly on my local council website it has.
I thought for emergencies you could apply for a proxy vote even on the day? Though the emergency may have to be medical.
My council website says:
Emergency proxy voting
You can arrange for an emergency proxy if you can't get to the polling station in person on the day due to either: a medical emergency unforeseen work or occupational reasons. You can apply for an emergency proxy up to 5pm on 8 June 2017.
I imagine a job interview counts as an unforeseen work or occupational reason.
Cameron before election in 2010 PROMISE : "I want my children, your children, to grow up in a country... where climate change and the environment aren't an afterthought. That means setting targets for reducing carbon but it also means taking tough decisions to make sure we meet them. I tried to make a start this morning by biking to work. That was a carbon-neutral journey until the BBC sent a helicopter following me."
Cameron once in office REALITY : The PM's husky-hugging, glacier-loving credentials raised eyebrows when we revealed a gas-guzzling car was following his bike ride to carry his shoes . The U-turn was complete when he told colleagues it was time to cut the 'green crap' , prompting outrage from environmental groups. Tariffs for solar energy have been slashed and the Green Investment Bank is being sold off.
Cameron on media and public policy before election PROMISE : "I don't want us to invent policies for newspaper headlines. I want us to get it right for the long term."
Cameron once he became prime minister REALITY : The Tories have repeatedly been accused of 'headline grabbing' with their plans to scrap the Human Rights Act. The move came after a string of lurid news stories about terror suspects abusing the law. Campaigners argue these are rare and it would be dangerous to deprive honest Brits of their rights just to appear tough on terror. More than 200,000 people signed an online petition demanding the issue goes to a national vote.
Betting post. For anybody thinking HP is a possibility you might want to look at Norwich North. Whilst it is much less city based than its partner seat of Clive Lewis, the city segments of the constituency swung to Labour in the locals and the Green 4% will get eaten up as they are disintegrating in Norwich. Against that there was 14% UKIP to farm. There are quite a few students in the seat, falling outside the University areas of South Norwich. In the main it is young professional and young families with a reasonable older block too. DYOR but given the swing TO Labour in Norwich at the Locals, if things have tightened since then 12 to 1 is an attractive bet on Labour. Not value if you think Con majority is the result though.
I seem to recall that you thought Labour would win it in 2015.
'You say you have called the election because of Brexit.
Last week you said 'Leaving the EU would make us MORE prosperous'
Last year you said' Leaving the EU would make us LESS prosperous'
"What's changed?"
The British people made the decision to leave and, like a good public servant, she will do what her employers instruct
Yep - her call is to decide what kind of Brexit it will be. She has promised to make voters more prosperous and will be judged on that.
Nope May said there were some advantages in staying in the EU but she would see Brexit through as the British people wanted with no free movement, no 100 billion euros to the EU and departure from the single market and if she wins a majority she will have a mandate for that from the British people
Read May's intro to the Tory manifesto.
The Tory manifesto says nothing about a big boost to economic growth as a direct result of Brexit, just that the Tories will make post Brexit Britain more prosperous than Labour and will implement the Brexit Leave voters voted for with an end to free movement and no 100 billion euros to the EU and reclaimed sovereignty. If May gets a majority the British people will have endorsed that Brexit
She is promising a Brexit that brings more prosperity.
"A plan for a stronger, fairer, more prosperous Britain"
That is what she will be judged on. If you do not agree, fair enough. We'll see what happens.
A plan for a more prosperous Britain than Labour that says nothing about Brexit being the cause of that and it also includes the words 'stronger' ie with reclaimed sovereignty and 'fairer' ie with fairer and more controlled immigration rules
She could have said in a straight-forward manner that taxes will not be increased. She skirted that.
TAX BOMBSHELL
Obviously, because they want to put up NI.
She did not give any assurance about Income Tax payers other than general platitudes about what a good party the Tories are about taxes.
The Tories have form on this matter. Thatcher's denial about VAT followed by increase from 8% to 15% in just a few weeks. Major also increased NIC from 9% to 11% after denying it.
Fallon has just said no income tax rises "across the spectrum" so one assumes that won't now happen. Personally I'd be really surprised if they put up income tax, NI not so much because they tried before the election and failed.
FAKE NEWS.
This is The Telegraph headline.
No income tax rises for high earners under Tory government, minister reveals
Read for yourself. No such words like "across the spectrum". Stop making it up.
Like you, it was Major I immediately thought of when I saw the "no plans" ... that looked dangerous from the outset!
I was thinking of these, before the 1992 election, after which Major put VAT on fuel:
"We have no plans to increase VAT...there will be no VAT increase." John Major, House of Commons, 28 January 1992 "We have no plans and no need to increase the impact of VAT." John Major, The Times, 20 March 1992 "We have no plans and no need to raise extra resources from value-added tax." John Major, 23 March 1992
Your memory trumps mine - bravo!
It was a huge issue in 1993 - looking back at the polls, the Tories took two big hits, one in late 1992 after Black Wednesday (low 40s to mid 30s) and another after the March 1993 VAT on Fuel budget (mid 30s to high 20s). Labour was relentless in attacking the issue thru 1993 until it was actually introduced in 1994, and the sudden rise in fuel bills affected everyone so it was big news. The Tories polled below 30% almost continuously thereafter thru 1997.
edit/ Tony Blair only became leader in summer 1994; contrary to common recollections nowadays, his taking the helm came well after the Tories' doom was predestined, at least by the polls.
The reason tories make promises and break them is because tory voters don't care that they lie because in everyday life they do the same.
That's right, we laugh in the face of the notion that "My word is my bond." My favourite gag is that one about "no plans to privatise the NHS" - cracks me up every time.
Most GP Practices are private businesses.
Most drugs are discovered and provided by private businesses.
Most hospitals are built by private businesses.
Most hospital equipment is designed and built by private businesses.
Roughly what proportion of votes cast were postal in 2015? My vague recollection is 20%, but I can't see a firm figure. And presumably it varies hugely by type of constituency.
'You say you have called the election because of Brexit.
Last week you said 'Leaving the EU would make us MORE prosperous'
Last year you said' Leaving the EU would make us LESS prosperous'
"What's changed?"
The British people made the decision to leave and, like a good public servant, she will do what her employers instruct
Yep - her call is to decide what kind of Brexit it will be. She has promised to make voters more prosperous and will be judged on that.
Nope May said there were some advantages in staying in the EU but she would see Brexit through as the British people wanted with no free movement, no 100 billion euros to the EU and departure from the single market and if she wins a majority she will have a mandate for that from the British people
Read May's intro to the Tory manifesto.
The Tory manifesto says nothing about a big boost to economic growth as a direct result of Brexit, just that the Tories will make post Brexit Britain more prosperous than Labour and will implement the Brexit Leave voters voted for with an end to free movement and no 100 billion euros to the EU and reclaimed sovereignty. If May gets a majority the British people will have endorsed that Brexit
She is promising a Brexit that brings more prosperity.
"A plan for a stronger, fairer, more prosperous Britain"
That is what she will be judged on. If you do not agree, fair enough. We'll see what happens.
A plan for a more prosperous Britain than Labour that says nothing about Brexit being the cause of that and it also includes the words 'stronger' ie with reclaimed sovereignty and fairer ie with fairer and more controlled immigration rules
When you promise more prosperity that's what you're promising. When you are promising Brexit that is what you are promising. When you are promising more prosperity and Brexit then that is what you are promising. There really is no getting round that, I'm afraid. But if you wish to believe there is, that's fine by me!
Wondering if anyone really thinks that 'pushing the button ' is actually going to come into play in the next five years and should be the deciding factor in this election.
As noted on QT last night, Trident is a multi-Parliament commitment.
The question is less whether Corbyn would push the button in the next 5 years (we know he wouldn't) but whether he will decommission it in the next 5 years so the next PM couldn't
She could have said in a straight-forward manner that taxes will not be increased. She skirted that.
TAX BOMBSHELL
Obviously, because they want to put up NI.
She did not give any assurance about Income Tax payers other than general platitudes about what a good party the Tories are about taxes.
The Tories have form on this matter. Thatcher's denial about VAT followed by increase from 8% to 15% in just a few weeks. Major also increased NIC from 9% to 11% after denying it.
Fallon has just said no income tax rises "across the spectrum" so one assumes that won't now happen. Personally I'd be really surprised if they put up income tax, NI not so much because they tried before the election and failed.
FAKE NEWS.
This is The Telegraph headline.
No income tax rises for high earners under Tory government, minister reveals
Read for yourself. No such words like "across the spectrum". Stop making it up.
No such assurance has been given about basic rate taxpayers.
Eh? This is from the article:
"Asked if high earners could confidently vote Conservative next week, safe in the knowledge that their income tax would not go up, Sir Michael said: “Yes. You’ve seen our record..."
How much is Twitter and Facebook going to be dominated next Thursday by Da Yoof complaining "Some old bastard at the Polling Station stopped me from voting for Corbyn. Said I wasn't registered or summat. And even if I was, I don't live in Islington. These fucking old people are robbing us of our democratic rights!"
Can one still apply for a proxy vote? Surely someone knows. Family member, living S. Essex has a job interview in Manchester at midday on Thursday.
I think the deadline has passed. Certainly on my local council website it has.
I thought for emergencies you could apply for a proxy vote even on the day? Though the emergency may have to be medical.
My council website says:
Emergency proxy voting
You can arrange for an emergency proxy if you can't get to the polling station in person on the day due to either: a medical emergency unforeseen work or occupational reasons. You can apply for an emergency proxy up to 5pm on 8 June 2017.
I imagine a job interview counts as an unforeseen work or occupational reason.
Roughly what proportion of votes cast were postal in 2015? My vague recollection is 20%, but I can't see a firm figure. And presumably it varies hugely by type of constituency.
Thanet South - votes cast 46,357 of which 8,308 were postal - nearly 18%
I thought everyone had stopped doing phone polls? Do we have split for this election?
Only one institute is still doing them regularly, but Survation is doing them now and then. They used to be thought the gold standard vs panel surveys, but I'm not sure if that's still the case as there are well-known difficulties in identifyng people by mobile.
TSE (I think) speculated that ICM will be relatively good for the Tories as Boon had put out tweets expressing scepticism about good polls for Labour and also indivcating that he'd seen data currently coming inb for ICM.
May looks to be in Huddersfield. Make of that what you will.
Probably chasing after neighbouring, highly marginal Dewsbury. The Tories have absolutely no chance of displacing long-serving Barry Sheerman in rock solid Labour safe Huddersfield itself.
BTW Earlier in the campaign, I backed Labour to hold Dewsbury, from where I am typing this, at odds of 4/1 which have now narrowed to 2/1. It smacks of being a lost cause for the Tories, where for such a winnable seat they selected a 22 year old inexperienced supermarket assistant ..... I mean no disrespect, but this is a seat they should have gobbled up with ease
Yep, Dewsbury. William Hague also. The local press don't seem to be impressed with Theresa either.
Any incoming government is going to face two impossible challenges: Brexit and reducing the deficit. When you add to this the problem of meeting voter apparent expectations for improving living standards etc (they are turning their nose up at the one vaguely sensible plan to deal with these issues), you realise that no politician can possibly square all these circles. Corbyn is effectively the first of many fantasists. So its pretty much uncharted territory.
These are pretty much my own views, Niel.
Although generally left leaning, I'd marginally prefer a Conservative government because I want them to own Brexit.
exactly: better that brexit is owned by the tories rather than fudged by labour which would only embolden the forces behind it. Cant bring myself to put my x in the box for the tories though.
Well, my decision was easy because my MP is a Labour Brexiteer, so I just moved on to the LD. Might have had a dilemma if the Tory had been a Remainer though!
Roughly what proportion of votes cast were postal in 2015? My vague recollection is 20%, but I can't see a firm figure. And presumably it varies hugely by type of constituency.
Some analysis put it recently at around 20%. The take up of PVs is about 16% and the GE return rate about 83%, of which 2-3% are disqualified (most for not filling in the ID forms properly or not matching the application form). So an 80% turnout compared to ?<65% at the polling station.
She could have said in a straight-forward manner that taxes will not be increased. She skirted that.
TAX BOMBSHELL
Obviously, because they want to put up NI.
She did not give any assurance about Income Tax payers other than general platitudes about what a good party the Tories are about taxes.
The Tories have form on this matter. Thatcher's denial about VAT followed by increase from 8% to 15% in just a few weeks. Major also increased NIC from 9% to 11% after denying it.
Fallon has just said no income tax rises "across the spectrum" so one assumes that won't now happen. Personally I'd be really surprised if they put up income tax, NI not so much because they tried before the election and failed.
FAKE NEWS.
This is The Telegraph headline.
No income tax rises for high earners under Tory government, minister reveals
Read for yourself. No such words like "across the spectrum". Stop making it up.
No such assurance has been given about basic rate taxpayers.
Eh? This is from the article:
"Asked if high earners could confidently vote Conservative next week, safe in the knowledge that their income tax would not go up, Sir Michael said: “Yes. You’ve seen our record..."
That is about high earners. Where is the assurance about basic rate taxpayers ? When you are in a hole.....
I thought everyone had stopped doing phone polls? Do we have split for this election?
Only one institute is still doing them regularly, but Survation is doing them now and then. They used to be thought the gold standard vs panel surveys, but I'm not sure if that's still the case as there are well-known difficulties in identifyng people by mobile.
TSE (I think) speculated that ICM will be relatively good for the Tories as Boon had put out tweets expressing scepticism about good polls for Labour and also indivcating that he'd seen data currently coming inb for ICM.
Cameron on media and public policy before election PROMISE : "I don't want us to invent policies for newspaper headlines. I want us to get it right for the long term."
Cameron once he became prime minister REALITY : The Tories have repeatedly been accused of 'headline grabbing' with their plans to scrap the Human Rights Act. The move came after a string of lurid news stories about terror suspects abusing the law. Campaigners argue these are rare and it would be dangerous to deprive honest Brits of their rights just to appear tough on terror. More than 200,000 people signed an online petition demanding the issue goes to a national vote.
I hope that they are paying you at least the minimum wage given how much time you are spending on here. And on a Saturday too.
How much is Twitter and Facebook going to be dominated next Thursday by Da Yoof complaining "Some old bastard at the Polling Station stopped me from voting for Corbyn. Said I wasn't registered or summat. And even if I was, I don't live in Islington. These fucking old people are robbing us of our democratic rights!"
Can one still apply for a proxy vote? Surely someone knows. Family member, living S. Essex has a job interview in Manchester at midday on Thursday.
I think the deadline has passed. Certainly on my local council website it has.
I thought for emergencies you could apply for a proxy vote even on the day? Though the emergency may have to be medical.
My council website says:
Emergency proxy voting
You can arrange for an emergency proxy if you can't get to the polling station in person on the day due to either: a medical emergency unforeseen work or occupational reasons. You can apply for an emergency proxy up to 5pm on 8 June 2017.
I imagine a job interview counts as an unforeseen work or occupational reason.
That would seem to say that it doesn't. Since you need your employer to sign the form...
Since they are going for a job just make sure that the company didn't give them the interview date until after the closing date for normal postal/proxy votes! Otherwise they risk not getting the job as well as not getting the vote.
1) There are people in this country that are happy to drop a bomb and kill millions of innocent people. 2) If your not prepared to kill millions of innocent people then your fit to be PM.
If anyone pressed the nuclear button we would all be dead.
Yes. But the theory of nuclear deterrent is that the knowledge of the damage it would cause to their own country prevents any rational actor from pressing the button first.
Clearly the doctrine is not a perfect defence, but it is part of the set of tools that we have.
WHY WOULD ANYONE DEPLOY A NUCLEAR WEAPON? ARE YOU TOTALLY FUCKING MAD!
We have intelligence that ISIS has acquired ten suitcase size nuclear bombs. They are currently in Raqqa. In 2 hours they will be dispersed by agents seeking to send them to destroy 10 western cities. In that case, I would deploy a nuke. Fuck yes.
Why would it need to be a nuke?
Because my advisors have told me that is the only 100% certain way to eliminate the threat to ten of the world's finest cities. We know within a five block radius where the weapons are, but don't have eyes on them. For example.
LOL, you can guarantee they would be lucky to get right country never mind 5 blocks. You need to stop reading fantasy books.
They could drop a nuke on the display screen of your smart phone these days malc.... Tragically, they won't!
LOL, the evidence proves otherwise, they hit more weddings , schools , hospitals etc than they do terrorists.
There is no evidence for that.
It is reported in the papers on a regular basis, we know our lot and the yanks don't report it surprisingly. Still for the Tories on here, it is just collateral damage , a few foreigners who don't count in the grand scheme of things.
She could have said in a straight-forward manner that taxes will not be increased. She skirted that.
TAX BOMBSHELL
Obviously, because they want to put up NI.
She did not give any assurance about Income Tax payers other than general platitudes about what a good party the Tories are about taxes.
The Tories have form on this matter. Thatcher's denial about VAT followed by increase from 8% to 15% in just a few weeks. Major also increased NIC from 9% to 11% after denying it.
Fallon has just said no income tax rises "across the spectrum" so one assumes that won't now happen. Personally I'd be really surprised if they put up income tax, NI not so much because they tried before the election and failed.
FAKE NEWS.
This is The Telegraph headline.
No income tax rises for high earners under Tory government, minister reveals
Read for yourself. No such words like "across the spectrum". Stop making it up.
No such assurance has been given about basic rate taxpayers.
Eh? This is from the article:
"Asked if high earners could confidently vote Conservative next week, safe in the knowledge that their income tax would not go up, Sir Michael said: “Yes. You’ve seen our record..."
Yes - it's a classic case of answering a specific question and mischievous newspapers trying to expand it to raise an issue about something that wasn't asked.
Any incoming government is going to face two impossible challenges: Brexit and reducing the deficit. When you add to this the problem of meeting voter apparent expectations for improving living standards etc (they are turning their nose up at the one vaguely sensible plan to deal with these issues), you realise that no politician can possibly square all these circles. Corbyn is effectively the first of many fantasists. So its pretty much uncharted territory.
These are pretty much my own views, Niel.
Although generally left leaning, I'd marginally prefer a Conservative government because I want them to own Brexit.
exactly: better that brexit is owned by the tories rather than fudged by labour which would only embolden the forces behind it. Cant bring myself to put my x in the box for the tories though.
Well, my decision was easy because my MP is a Labour Brexiteer, so I just moved on to the LD. Might have had a dilemma if the Tory had been a Remainer though!
You do realise that how people campaigned before last June is irrelevant now that the people decided and A50 is invoked... Don't you?
Wondering if anyone really thinks that 'pushing the button ' is actually going to come into play in the next five years and should be the deciding factor in this election.
As noted on QT last night, Trident is a multi-Parliament commitment.
The question is less whether Corbyn would push the button in the next 5 years (we know he wouldn't) but whether he will decommission it in the next 5 years so the next PM couldn't
The Trident and nukes equivocations from Corbyn crystallise the concerns voters have about him and security policy generally that his past create. Put simply, people worry he will not protect them and their families to the extent May will. And that is what will ensure Labour loses. In Brexit Britainyou may be able to win from the left, but you cannot equivocate or be regarded as weak on security and defence issues.
May was also asked whether she was insulting the public’s intelligence “with stupid slogans?” “I’ve been running a campaign which has been setting out the very clear choice the British people have and the very real challenges the government faces over the next five years,” she said. “It’s an important of change for our country, that choice is between a strong and stable leadership… or Jeremy Corbyn and a coalition of chaos.”
The Tories are a further 2 seats lower on the spreads this morning at 360 - 366 seats. Day after day, they keep on sliding lower and lower. Nothing and nobody seems able to halt their decline which is all most depressing for members of the Blue Team.
Roughly what proportion of votes cast were postal in 2015? My vague recollection is 20%, but I can't see a firm figure. And presumably it varies hugely by type of constituency.
Some analysis put it recently at around 20%. The take up of PVs is about 16% and the GE return rate about 83%, of which 2-3% are disqualified (most for not filling in the ID forms properly or not matching the application form). So an 80% turnout compared to ?<65% at the polling station.</p>
p.s. there is data on different levels of PV take up by seat here, which a PB'er helpfully pointed me towards last week. The big difference is that there are way more PVs in the North East, where the all-PV trials were held.
The Tories are a further 2 seats lower on the spreads this morning at 360 - 366 seats. Day after day, they keep on sliding lower and lower. Nothing and nobody seems able to halt their decline which is all most depressing for members of the Blue Team.
May was also asked whether she was insulting the public’s intelligence “with stupid slogans?” “I’ve been running a campaign which has been setting out the very clear choice the British people have and the very real challenges the government faces over the next five years,” she said. “It’s an important of change for our country, that choice is between a strong and stable leadership… or Jeremy Corbyn and a coalition of chaos.”
The Tories are a further 2 seats lower on the spreads this morning at 360 - 366 seats. Day after day, they keep on sliding lower and lower. Nothing and nobody seems able to halt their decline which is all most depressing for members of the Blue Team.
The voters will halt the decline when they turn out on 8th.
Newstatesman this weekend has long article by editor on Labour campaign. Time after time he has quotes from MPs and activists saying how badly they are going to do in reality. West Bromwich, Don Valley and so on are all in play. On a "Cliff edge" is one description from a canvasser.
The Tories are a further 2 seats lower on the spreads this morning at 360 - 366 seats. Day after day, they keep on sliding lower and lower. Nothing and nobody seems able to halt their decline which is all most depressing for members of the Blue Team.
Midpoint 363. Majority 76 (78 if Bercow doesn't count). Depressing?
1) If in a hole stop digging. 2) A message of 'flip-flopping' can be highly damaging - as seen during the John Kerry's presidential campaign.
We already had: TM the 'Remainer' organising 'Brexit'; TM the PM saying 'no election' then calling an election; and, deviation from the brand new manifesto with the social care U-turn and on social housing.
But today: 'No increase on income tax" .... Labour supporter will be searching for their flip-flops to start waving about!
You can increase NI instead for example without a flip flop
Yes, that's the obvious rejoinder - "You've half-reversed the pledge not to pledge but what about the other half? Aren't you all over the place?"
But at this stage the issue is what to concentrate on, and I'm not sure that getting into that muddle is the priority.
She was just asked just now and she gave no assurance that taxes will not be increased. I am not sure why Fallon said what he said.
BBC News 24 is running this. This will run and run.
Stupidity, trying to pretend he is a big shot and got his foot stuck in his mouth
Thanet South is now a more likely UKIP gain than Thurrock
Without the one man team's one man standing there?
A bit strange that UKIP didn't stand a better known candidate in Thanet South isn't it? They must have known there was a fair chance of scandal
The Tory MP now under investigation is a former deputy leader of UKIP and UKIP had already said they would not put up candidates in seats where the sitting MP was clearly a Brexiteer.
Wondering if anyone really thinks that 'pushing the button ' is actually going to come into play in the next five years and should be the deciding factor in this election.
As noted on QT last night, Trident is a multi-Parliament commitment.
The question is less whether Corbyn would push the button in the next 5 years (we know he wouldn't) but whether he will decommission it in the next 5 years so the next PM couldn't
The Trident and nukes equivocations from Corbyn crystallise the concerns voters have about him and security policy generally that his past create. Put simply, people worry he will not protect them and their families to the extent May will. And that is what will ensure Labour loses. In Brexit Britainyou may be able to win from the left, but you cannot equivocate or be regarded as weak on security and defence issues.
Corbyn finally lost GE 2017 at around 9pm last night.
The Tories are a further 2 seats lower on the spreads this morning at 360 - 366 seats. Day after day, they keep on sliding lower and lower. Nothing and nobody seems able to halt their decline which is all most depressing for members of the Blue Team.
The voters will halt the decline when they turn out on 8th.
Newstatesman this weekend has long article by editor on Labour campaign. Time after time he has quotes from MPs and activists saying how badly they are going to do in reality. West Bromwich, Don Valley and so on are all in play. On a "Cliff edge" is one description from a canvasser.
is there a link for this at all, please? or is it paper only
The Tories are a further 2 seats lower on the spreads this morning at 360 - 366 seats. Day after day, they keep on sliding lower and lower. Nothing and nobody seems able to halt their decline which is all most depressing for members of the Blue Team.
Midpoint 363. Majority 76 (78 if Bercow doesn't count). Depressing?
I would expect the betting to lag the polls, partly because punters take time to reflect on the polls and news, and partly because of the weight of money already on the table?
The Tories are a further 2 seats lower on the spreads this morning at 360 - 366 seats. Day after day, they keep on sliding lower and lower. Nothing and nobody seems able to halt their decline which is all most depressing for members of the Blue Team.
There will be a lag between an actual fall in the voters' intentions and showing up on the markets. The questions are whether the decline will continue into next week or possibly the decline has already halted but isn't showing up yet.
And obviously whether the headline figures are correct. I am assuming the decline is real.
Thanet South is now a more likely UKIP gain than Thurrock
Without the one man team's one man standing there?
A bit strange that UKIP didn't stand a better known candidate in Thanet South isn't it? They must have known there was a fair chance of scandal
The Tory MP now under investigation is a former deputy leader of UKIP and UKIP had already said they would not put up candidates in seats where the sitting MP was clearly a Brexiteer.
Thanet South is now a more likely UKIP gain than Thurrock
Without the one man team's one man standing there?
A bit strange that UKIP didn't stand a better known candidate in Thanet South isn't it? They must have known there was a fair chance of scandal
The Tory MP now under investigation is a former deputy leader of UKIP and UKIP had already said they would not put up candidates in seats where the sitting MP was clearly a Brexiteer.
The Tories are a further 2 seats lower on the spreads this morning at 360 - 366 seats. Day after day, they keep on sliding lower and lower. Nothing and nobody seems able to halt their decline which is all most depressing for members of the Blue Team.
The voters will halt the decline when they turn out on 8th.
Newstatesman this weekend has long article by editor on Labour campaign. Time after time he has quotes from MPs and activists saying how badly they are going to do in reality. West Bromwich, Don Valley and so on are all in play. On a "Cliff edge" is one description from a canvasser.
is there a link for this at all, please? or is it paper only
Paper only at moment. I think they put stuff online a day or two after the magazine comes out to try and encourage buying it first.
May was also asked whether she was insulting the public’s intelligence “with stupid slogans?” “I’ve been running a campaign which has been setting out the very clear choice the British people have and the very real challenges the government faces over the next five years,” she said. “It’s an important of change for our country, that choice is between a strong and stable leadership… or Jeremy Corbyn and a coalition of chaos.”
That's discipline for you.
Stick to the message through thick and thin.
A characteristic not always seen nowadays.
I'm an on-message kind of guy, but I am not sure this is working for Theresa May. Having said that, I think she was boosted by Question Time last night. First of all by showing up and somewhat neutralising her previous no-shows and secondly by looking more sensible than robotic.
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Neighbouring Dewsbury, however, is very much a target.
The Guardian has this up. The Telegraph too.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/02/no-income-tax-rises-high-earners-tory-government-minister-reveals/
and the Independent
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-tory-tax-policy-rise-income-tax-national-insurance-higher-earners-general-election-2017-a7770581.html
DYOR but given the swing TO Labour in Norwich at the Locals, if things have tightened since then 12 to 1 is an attractive bet on Labour.
Not value if you think Con majority is the result though.
"A plan for a stronger, fairer, more prosperous Britain"
That is what she will be judged on. If you do not agree, fair enough. We'll see what happens.
More people homeless.
Public sector workers 1% pay rise in 7 years.
military have no jobs to go into when home.
taking money from people who don't
continue to lie to the british people and break promises.
taking your home to pay for social care with no knowledge of what the cap is.
Tax cuts for people that don't need it.
Tories continue to spend their money sponsoring hate campaigns - daily mail, the sun and daily telegraph.
Nasty party; I'm not ones advocating for the above and have a desire for the slaughter of millions of innocent people.
If you don't believe them fuck right off and join the tories you zionist scum.
They will be under pressure now to clarify which is right - "absolutely" no rise, or just "no plans" for a rise. If they say Fallon was wrong it will look terrible. Another tricky decision for May.
Parties get one free Royal Mail delivery to each elector but the expense allowance pre-empts a paid for delivery eg 70,000 electors times 50p stamp each = £35,000.
This compares with a spending limit of around £15,000 depending on the number of electors.
Note: Parties normally use their free delivery in two batches so as to hit two elector households with a delivery to the first named occupant and a subsequent delivery to the second named occupant.
Its not clear how you fill it in for a job interview I suspect you need to enter the company interviewing you in the employer section...
PROMISE : "We need to change, and we will change, the way we behave. I'm fed up with the Punch and Judy politics of Westminster, the name calling, backbiting, point scoring, finger pointing."
Cameron After the election
REALITY : Prime Minister's Questions remains just as rowdy as ever, with schoolboy MPs roaring at each other across the green benches. In the last few months it's Tory MPs who have been responsible for shouting down Jeremy Corbyn, despite the Labour leader's vow to create a 'new kind of politics'.
The Tories have absolutely no chance of displacing long-serving Barry Sheerman in rock solid Labour safe Huddersfield itself.
BTW Earlier in the campaign, I backed Labour to hold Dewsbury, from where I am typing this, at odds of 4/1 which have now narrowed to 2/1. It smacks of being a lost cause for the Tories, where for such a winnable seat they selected a 22 year old inexperienced supermarket assistant ..... I mean no disrespect, but this is a seat they should have gobbled up with ease
PROMISE : "We need to look at the problems of international terrorism, and I can promise that I will never play politics with that issue. I will do what is right for the country."
Cameron trying to go to war in syria
REALITY : While the PM insists he is doing what's right for Britain, there's been a heavy air of politics over his decision to bomb Syria. He refused to apologise for calling anti-war MPs 'terrorist sympathisers' in a cheap shot at the past remarks of Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell. Tory MPs were whipped into supporting bombing Syria, unlike Labour which (eventually) gave MPs a free vote.
PROMISE : "I want my children, your children, to grow up in a country... where climate change and the environment aren't an afterthought. That means setting targets for reducing carbon but it also means taking tough decisions to make sure we meet them. I tried to make a start this morning by biking to work. That was a carbon-neutral journey until the BBC sent a helicopter following me."
Cameron once in office
REALITY : The PM's husky-hugging, glacier-loving credentials raised eyebrows when we revealed a gas-guzzling car was following his bike ride to carry his shoes . The U-turn was complete when he told colleagues it was time to cut the 'green crap' , prompting outrage from environmental groups. Tariffs for solar energy have been slashed and the Green Investment Bank is being sold off.
PROMISE : "I don't want us to invent policies for newspaper headlines. I want us to get it right for the long term."
Cameron once he became prime minister
REALITY : The Tories have repeatedly been accused of 'headline grabbing' with their plans to scrap the Human Rights Act. The move came after a string of lurid news stories about terror suspects abusing the law. Campaigners argue these are rare and it would be dangerous to deprive honest Brits of their rights just to appear tough on terror. More than 200,000 people signed an online petition demanding the issue goes to a national vote.
Chloe by 5k IMO.
This is The Telegraph headline.
No income tax rises for high earners under Tory government, minister reveals
Read for yourself. No such words like "across the spectrum". Stop making it up.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/02/no-income-tax-rises-high-earners-tory-government-minister-reveals/
No such assurance has been given about basic rate taxpayers.
edit/ Tony Blair only became leader in summer 1994; contrary to common recollections nowadays, his taking the helm came well after the Tories' doom was predestined, at least by the polls.
Most drugs are discovered and provided by private businesses.
Most hospitals are built by private businesses.
Most hospital equipment is designed and built by private businesses.
What's not to like?
The question is less whether Corbyn would push the button in the next 5 years (we know he wouldn't) but whether he will decommission it in the next 5 years so the next PM couldn't
"Asked if high earners could confidently vote Conservative next week, safe in the knowledge that their income tax would not go up, Sir Michael said: “Yes. You’ve seen our record..."
TSE (I think) speculated that ICM will be relatively good for the Tories as Boon had put out tweets expressing scepticism about good polls for Labour and also indivcating that he'd seen data currently coming inb for ICM.
http://www.examiner.co.uk/news/theresa-may-conservative-dewsbury-election-13131993
May was also asked whether she was insulting the public’s intelligence “with stupid slogans?” “I’ve been running a campaign which has been setting out the very clear choice the British people have and the very real challenges the government faces over the next five years,” she said. “It’s an important of change for our country, that choice is between a strong and stable leadership… or Jeremy Corbyn and a coalition of chaos.”
http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0008/191861/Plymouth-UKPGE-electoral-data-report-final-WEB.pdf
Stick to the message through thick and thin.
A characteristic not always seen nowadays.
Newstatesman this weekend has long article by editor on Labour campaign. Time after time he has quotes from MPs and activists saying how badly they are going to do in reality. West Bromwich, Don Valley and so on are all in play. On a "Cliff edge" is one description from a canvasser.
https://twitter.com/theSNP/status/870546938793537536
And obviously whether the headline figures are correct. I am assuming the decline is real.
https://twitter.com/fergoodness/status/870915463982837760
https://twitter.com/i/moments/870944674231353344
McKinley will win in Thanet South &
Woodcock will lose in Barrow.
That's what I reckon !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OcQFeKKXqw