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People's everyday experiences will determine it: wage growth, prices, other costs etc. If things feel better then the Tories will be fine; if not, I doubt that saying people voted for a reduction in living standards in return for sovereignty will work.TOPPING said:
They will certainly say they have delivered it. And who will notice otherwise?SouthamObserver said:
But this is a general election. It is the Tories that will be delivering Brexit and it is the Tories who have said that they will deliver one which improves living standards. Are they really going to say that they did not mean it?HYUFD said:
The Remain campaign was nothing but a Leave vote would lead to a drop in living standards but the voters still voted Leave anywaySouthamObserver said:
Where in the Tory manifesto does it say that a slight drop in living standards is on offer?HYUFD said:
No not really they took the choice that a slight drop in living standards was an acceptable price to pay to regain sovereignty and control immigration when they voted Leave, whether they still feel like that in a decade is another matter and then the single market may be on the cards againSouthamObserver said:
She will certainly claim that mandate. But whether she can sustain it in the face of what it means in reality is another thing entirely, given that she has also said she will negotiate a Brexit deal that will improve standards of living. The British people are also voting for that, are they not?HYUFD said:
If May wins the British people will have endorsed her position that no deal is better than a bad deal which keeps free movement intact and requires 100 billion euros of payments to the EUFF43 said:These are the third party agreements that lapse in March 2019. On nuclear non-proliferation so power plants can continue operating (requires US Congressional approval), bilateral aviation agreements so our planes can fly internationally (seven important ones, I believe, including the US Will likely want to be renegotiated for the UK), product conformance, agriculture, trade, data regulation, customs. A lot of them require EU agreement to the renegotiation as well as the third party.
All in the capable hands of Liam Fox.
And some people say, no deal is better than a bad deal ..
https://twitter.com/Clive_Bates/status/869570503228493824
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It had young TheApocalypse having to reconsider her voting intentions last night, it was that shocking apparently.ab195 said:www.thesun.co.uk/news/3676113/labour-planning-new-garden-tax-which-would-see-council-tax-treble/amp/
Is this legit? Seems to be in most papers. If so, why are the Tories not pushing it? That's lethal in middle England.
The actual manifesto is pretty light on this, saying a review of council tax of which a land value tax would be an option.I've not seen much else written on it, so it doesn't seem like it has blown up yet.0 -
If a UKIP voter sat on their sofa and didn't vote the Labour share would go up by default. Not sure that's evidence of direct UKIP > Labour movement.AndyJS said:Been looking at the local election results again and it seems that Labour was picking up about 10% of the UKIP vote where the latter didn't stand compared to previously, ie. they were getting around an extra 2% if UKIP had previously been on 20%. Might explain why the Labour vote is slightly up in the polls compared to GE2015. The vast majority went to the Tories and a bit to the LDs.
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Not sure they think they can get it. Just that there are many activists out and about here. Anecdotal I know.Pulpstar said:
Hexham ?! Lol that is madness for Labour to think they can get that.dixiedean said:
By contrast, Labour very visible in nearby Hexham. Town centre stalls, and at the County Show(!). Not that it will do them much good. Cons not seen at all, (as far as I am aware).Gallowgate said:
Labour have done nowt here in Gateshead apart from sending a leaflet with an incredibly unprofessional photo of the candidate that looks like its been taken with a potato and cropped from a photo of a board meeting.MarkSenior said:
Young Labour corbynite canvassers have been very active here in Worthing at both the CC elections and the GE . The one party that has done nothing here are the Conservatives but they will win easily anyway .Concanvasser said:If the youth vote is as fired up for Jeremy as some of the polling companies believe why are there so few tangible signs of it?
Where are the eager young corbynite canvassunlikely Why no deluge of Labourleaflets thrust from an army of young hands?
Either these millions of young Labour supporters are demonstrating a rectitude that would make a shy Tory maiden aunt look brazen or they are all talk and no action and most unlikely to turn out in anything like the numbers currently forecast.
The polls are flattering Labour.
Safe seats eh?
Many it depends on CLP local organisation?0 -
They will of course blame everything and everyone except Brexit. And, in several years time, who will be able to say they are wrong?SouthamObserver said:
People's everyday experiences will determine it: wage growth, prices, other costs etc. If things feel better then the Tories will be fine; if not, I doubt that saying people voted for a reduction in living standards in return for sovereignty will work.TOPPING said:
They will certainly say they have delivered it. And who will notice otherwise?SouthamObserver said:
But this is a general election. It is the Tories that will be delivering Brexit and it is the Tories who have said that they will deliver one which improves living standards. Are they really going to say that they did not mean it?HYUFD said:
The Remain campaign was nothing but a Leave vote would lead to a drop in living standards but the voters still voted Leave anywaySouthamObserver said:
Where in the Tory manifesto does it say that a slight drop in living standards is on offer?HYUFD said:
No not really they took the choice that a slight drop in living standards was an acceptable price to pay to regain sovereignty and control immigration when they voted Leave, whether they still feel like that in a decade is another matter and then the single market may be on the cards againSouthamObserver said:
She will certainly claim that mandate. But whether she can sustain it in the face of what it means in reality is another thing entirely, given that she has also said she will negotiate a Brexit deal that will improve standards of living. The British people are also voting for that, are they not?HYUFD said:
If May wins the British people will have endorsed her position that no deal is better than a bad deal which keeps free movement intact and requires 100 billion euros of payments to the EUFF43 said:These are the third party agreements that lapse in March 2019. On nuclear non-proliferation so power plants can continue operating (requires US Congressional approval), bilateral aviation agreements so our planes can fly internationally (seven important ones, I believe, including the US Will likely want to be renegotiated for the UK), product conformance, agriculture, trade, data regulation, customs. A lot of them require EU agreement to the renegotiation as well as the third party.
All in the capable hands of Liam Fox.
And some people say, no deal is better than a bad deal ..
https://twitter.com/Clive_Bates/status/8695705032284938240 -
I like how the story is written up in TheSun though. They've given it a catchy media name, 'Garden Tax'. Lots of 'it was claimed'. Reference to it being in the 'small print' making it seem more sneaky, a mix of constituencies references 'Bolsover to Lincoln and Sunderland to Maldon in Essex'.0
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Today seems to be the first time May has really gone for Labour. So far the plan seems to have been to ignore them. So we have no mention of Labour in the Manifesto and barely a reference to them last night. It's an interesting change of tack.CarlottaVance said:Martin Kettle on the background to May's 'naked' Corbyn:
Theresa May’s jibe that Jeremy Corbyn would be “alone and naked in the negotiating chamber” (see 12.54pm) if he was responsible for the UK’s Brexit talks was a deliberate echo of one of the bitterest and best remembered phrases in the Labour party’s internal history.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2017/may/30/general-election-2017-may-corbyn-paxman-snp-manifesto-politics-live0 -
The Gateshead Labour party obviously likes walking along Hadrian's Wall!dixiedean said:
Not sure they think they can get it. Just that there are many activists out and about here. Anecdotal I know.Pulpstar said:
Hexham ?! Lol that is madness for Labour to think they can get that.dixiedean said:
By contrast, Labour very visible in nearby Hexham. Town centre stalls, and at the County Show(!). Not that it will do them much good. Cons not seen at all, (as far as I am aware).Gallowgate said:
Labour have done nowt here in Gateshead apart from sending a leaflet with an incredibly unprofessional photo of the candidate that looks like its been taken with a potato and cropped from a photo of a board meeting.MarkSenior said:
Young Labour corbynite canvassers have been very active here in Worthing at both the CC elections and the GE . The one party that has done nothing here are the Conservatives but they will win easily anyway .Concanvasser said:If the youth vote is as fired up for Jeremy as some of the polling companies believe why are there so few tangible signs of it?
Where are the eager young corbynite canvassunlikely Why no deluge of Labourleaflets thrust from an army of young hands?
Either these millions of young Labour supporters are demonstrating a rectitude that would make a shy Tory maiden aunt look brazen or they are all talk and no action and most unlikely to turn out in anything like the numbers currently forecast.
The polls are flattering Labour.
Safe seats eh?
Many it depends on CLP local organisation?0 -
Anecdote Alert
EM Regional Lab Party pulling resources from NE Derbyshire implication being it is lost.
Ploughing it into Chesterfield instead.
My take is its the Progress Club who are only interested in getting the most Progress supporting MPs back.
Engel is crap but if resources are being diverted s/b to Derby North which I think is on a knife edge.
Toby increased maj in Chesterfield i reckon
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That was one hell of an outlier showing Tories ahead in Wales then. Gone back home in a big way.HYUFD said:ICM gives the Tories a 15 point lead in England (the Tories and Labour are tied in the North). In Wales Labour has a 20 point lead. In Scotland the Tories are up to 26% with the SNP on 43%
https://www.icmunlimited.com/polls/0 -
It's got the potential to cause all sorts of issues. It's entirely legitimate to want to tax the value of land but almost impossible to explain the logic in a two minute interview or during a debate. And it completely undercuts the 95% paying no higher taxes thing, as it can be portrayed as "all homeowners". Add in some choice IFS quotes and you can make it "Labour's sums only add up if they tax the average garden at £x".kle4 said:I like how the story is written up in TheSun though. They've given it a catchy media name, 'Garden Tax'. Lots of 'it was claimed'. Reference to it being in the 'small print' making it seem more sneaky, a mix of constituencies references 'Bolsover to Lincoln and Sunderland to Maldon in Essex'.
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May's promises are all on record - in print, on tape, on film. This is the Brexit election. It will still be everywhere in four or five years time, especially if there is a transitional deal.TOPPING said:
They will of course blame everything and everyone except Brexit. And, in several years time, who will be able to say they are wrong?SouthamObserver said:
People's everyday experiences will determine it: wage growth, prices, other costs etc. If things feel better then the Tories will be fine; if not, I doubt that saying people voted for a reduction in living standards in return for sovereignty will work.TOPPING said:
They will certainly say they have delivered it. And who will notice otherwise?SouthamObserver said:
But this is a general election. It is the Tories that will be delivering Brexit and it is the Tories who have said that they will deliver one which improves living standards. Are they really going to say that they did not mean it?HYUFD said:
The Remain campaign was nothing but a Leave vote would lead to a drop in living standards but the voters still voted Leave anywaySouthamObserver said:
Where in the Tory manifesto does it say that a slight drop in living standards is on offer?HYUFD said:
No not really they took the choice that a slight drop in living standards was an acceptable price to pay to regain sovereignty and control immigration when they voted Leave, whether they still feel like that in a decade is another matter and then the single market may be on the cards againSouthamObserver said:
She British people are also voting for that, are they not?HYUFD said:
If May wins the British people will have endorsed her position that no deal is better than a bad deal which keeps free movement intact and requires 100 billion euros of payments to the EUFF43 said:These are the third party agreements that lapse in March 2019. On nuclear non-proliferation so power plants can continue operating (requires US Congressional approval), bilateral aviation agreements so our planes can fly internationally (seven important ones, I believe, including the US Will likely want to be renegotiated for the UK), product conformance, agriculture, trade, data regulation, customs. A lot of them require EU agreement to the renegotiation as well as the third party.
All in the capable hands of Liam Fox.
And some people say, no deal is better than a bad deal ..
https://twitter.com/Clive_Bates/status/869570503228493824
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They did this in the last one too. They are meddling quite a bit.NickPalmer said:There are changes in methodology in the report from ICM, which seem to be new in this poll (though I'm not certain they weren't in last week's). Full details here
https://www.icmunlimited.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/2017_guardian_poll8_may26-29.pdf
but briefly: they now allocate some of the people who refuse to give ANY information ("Total refusers"), partly by treating them as Partial Refusers (who say how they voted last time and are now unsure, who are generally assumed to be going to do the same), and THEN plus a fifth for Tories and minus a fifth for Labour, on the basis that last time total refusers were mostly Tory. This is very much guesswork on the basis of a sample of one.
They confirm that without their house adjustments they would get a result similar to Survation (Tories +6 instead of +12).
And they confirm that they are now sampling with actual candidates, so places without a UKIP candidate don't get a UKIP option, and they ask explicitly if the respondent is on the register.0 -
That's why its only a promise to review with this an option, I would imagine - they can say it is not a definite plan.ab195 said:
It's got the potential to cause all sorts of issues. It's entirely legitimate to want to tax the value of land but almost impossible to explain the logic in a two minute interview or during a debate. And it completely undercuts the 95% paying no higher taxes thing, as it can be portrayed as "all homeowners". Add in some choice IFS quotes and you can make it "Labour's sums only add up if they tax the average garden at £x".kle4 said:I like how the story is written up in TheSun though. They've given it a catchy media name, 'Garden Tax'. Lots of 'it was claimed'. Reference to it being in the 'small print' making it seem more sneaky, a mix of constituencies references 'Bolsover to Lincoln and Sunderland to Maldon in Essex'.
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Leadsom was photographed heading to Bolsover with a car full of activists at the weekend iirc.MarqueeMark said:Three weeks back, the Tories were having fun visiting places they never knew existed, like Bolsover. Is there any evidence that they have rowed back - and the Cabinet are visiting rather less ambitious targets in the past week or so? Be curious to know....
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tbf, it is rather more scenic!Gallowgate said:
The Gateshead Labour party obviously likes walking along Hadrian's Wall!dixiedean said:
Not sure they think they can get it. Just that there are many activists out and about here. Anecdotal I know.Pulpstar said:
Hexham ?! Lol that is madness for Labour to think they can get that.dixiedean said:
By contrast, Labour very visible in nearby Hexham. Town centre stalls, and at the County Show(!). Not that it will do them much good. Cons not seen at all, (as far as I am aware).Gallowgate said:
Labour have done nowt here in Gateshead apart from sending a leaflet with an incredibly unprofessional photo of the candidate that looks like its been taken with a potato and cropped from a photo of a board meeting.MarkSenior said:
Young Labour corbynite canvassers have been very active here in Worthing at both the CC elections and the GE . The one party that has done nothing here are the Conservatives but they will win easily anyway .Concanvasser said:If the youth vote is as fired up for Jeremy as some of the polling companies believe why are there so few tangible signs of it?
Where are the eager young corbynite canvassunlikely Why no deluge of Labourleaflets thrust from an army of young hands?
Either these millions of young Labour supporters are demonstrating a rectitude that would make a shy Tory maiden aunt look brazen or they are all talk and no action and most unlikely to turn out in anything like the numbers currently forecast.
The polls are flattering Labour.
Safe seats eh?
Many it depends on CLP local organisation?0 -
They should bus them to a marginal constituencyGallowgate said:
The Gateshead Labour party obviously likes walking along Hadrian's Wall!dixiedean said:
Not sure they think they can get it. Just that there are many activists out and about here. Anecdotal I know.Pulpstar said:
Hexham ?! Lol that is madness for Labour to think they can get that.dixiedean said:
By contrast, Labour very visible in nearby Hexham. Town centre stalls, and at the County Show(!). Not that it will do them much good. Cons not seen at all, (as far as I am aware).Gallowgate said:
Labour have done nowt here in Gateshead apart from sending a leaflet with an incredibly unprofessional photo of the candidate that looks like its been taken with a potato and cropped from a photo of a board meeting.MarkSenior said:
Young Labour corbynite canvassers have been very active here in Worthing at both the CC elections and the GE . The one party that has done nothing here are the Conservatives but they will win easily anyway .Concanvasser said:If the youth vote is as fired up for Jeremy as some of the polling companies believe why are there so few tangible signs of it?
Where are the eager young corbynite canvassunlikely Why no deluge of Labourleaflets thrust from an army of young hands?
Either these millions of young Labour supporters are demonstrating a rectitude that would make a shy Tory maiden aunt look brazen or they are all talk and no action and most unlikely to turn out in anything like the numbers currently forecast.
The polls are flattering Labour.
Safe seats eh?
Many it depends on CLP local organisation?0 -
Some did speculate it was to get her out of the way though.rottenborough said:
Leadsom was photographed heading to Bolsover with a car full of activists at the weekend iirc.MarqueeMark said:Three weeks back, the Tories were having fun visiting places they never knew existed, like Bolsover. Is there any evidence that they have rowed back - and the Cabinet are visiting rather less ambitious targets in the past week or so? Be curious to know....
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I have a lot of confidence in Messina/Crosby's sniper targeting from GE2015, and the fact Crosby is now running the whole show.Pulpstar said:
If your anecdotes from Torbay are accurate then the deep leave Tory targets are still well in play.MarqueeMark said:Three weeks back, the Tories were having fun visiting places they never knew existed, like Bolsover. Is there any evidence that they have rowed back - and the Cabinet are visiting rather less ambitious targets in the past week or so? Be curious to know....
If cabinet ministers are still being sent to places like Tynemouth and Bolsover, they are being sent for a reason.0 -
Other nuggets:
UKIP->Lab swing seems definite, and is singled out by ICM as the most significant change. Tories still benefiting more from UKIP's collapse, but much less than before.
7% of Tories say their chance of actually voting Labour has increased - that's about 6% of the electorate, of course. 3% of Labour say the opposite (=1% of the electorate). That's probably a fair measure of the potential two-party swing vote still up for grabs.
There is some LD tactical voting on display. In LD seats under threat, 15% of voters say the campaign has made them more likely to vote LD, while 25% say less likely, but in Lab-Con mnarginals the figures are 9 and 19.
Corbyn is seen as running a better campaign than May by a small margin overall (+2 net vs -2_ but by a bigger margin in Lab-Con marginals (+7 vs -7). This may be because by definition those seats are slightly more Labour than otherwise, and relaly just suggests that targeting isn't having much effect. However, Labour is shown as 5 points ahead in both Lab marginals and Con marginals, which is exciting but they're small subsamples, so don't get carried away.
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Meanwhile the SNP manifesto mentions the Tories/Tory 83 times, Labour once and the Lib Dems not at all.....DavidL said:
Today seems to be the first time May has really gone for Labour. So far the plan seems to have been to ignore them. So we have no mention of Labour in the Manifesto and barely a reference to them last night. It's an interesting change of tack.CarlottaVance said:Martin Kettle on the background to May's 'naked' Corbyn:
Theresa May’s jibe that Jeremy Corbyn would be “alone and naked in the negotiating chamber” (see 12.54pm) if he was responsible for the UK’s Brexit talks was a deliberate echo of one of the bitterest and best remembered phrases in the Labour party’s internal history.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2017/may/30/general-election-2017-may-corbyn-paxman-snp-manifesto-politics-live0 -
About 1% of the population exhibit psychopathological tendencies so you are quite likely to come across it when canvassing.Casino_Royale said:
I had one guy put his son outside his door, to try and stop me delivering the leaflet, which didn't click with me at the time, and I just said "excuse me, sorry mate", and I just dodged past him to post it.camel said:
To be fair, I've had the same in the past when delivering non-political leaflets. I think some people sit alone, stewing in their own bile, and a leafletter is the perfect outlet.Casino_Royale said:
Leaflets being thrown back at you by someone running out their house? Oh yes. Usually several times each election.NickPalmer said:
Is that what usually happens? I've canvassed in places from Glasgow tenements to Sussex villages for 50 years, and neither of those events has ever happened to me! Torbay must be a jolly scary place.MarqueeMark said:
Still not had anybody run out to throw my leaflet back at me, still not had anyone telling me to "fuck off!" I'm not used to it being this civil.....
I usually encounter at least one very angry or hectoring person as well, who also tries to sabotage your work with neighbours and passers by, but they are rare.
Then he theatrically pushed the leaflet back out his own letterbox about ten seconds later, all scrunched up, littering his own front porch in doing so but did nothing to pick it up (I was about two homes down the road by then, as I work fast) and his son was laughing at me, with the father swearing - I presume, he said something, although I couldn't quite hear what it was.
I was shocked, but shrugged it off and carried on.
Some people are just quite angry and resentful in general, and looking for a target.
I'm sure nobody on PB comes from that 1%.0 -
My fear isn't that we will walk away without a deal. I think the consequences of doing so are so severe that there is very little likelihood. It's that we will end up in a take or leave it situation where we feel obliged to take what we think is the bad deal but are massively resentful about it. A bit like Greece and its membership of the Euro - doesn't want to be in but can't get rid of it. If the whole point of Brexit is to take control and have less to do with an EU that we don't like, it's a bad situation to be in.HYUFD said:
If May wins the British people will have endorsed her position that no deal is better than a bad deal which keeps free movement intact and requires 100 billion euros of payments to the EUFF43 said:These are the third party agreements that lapse in March 2019. On nuclear non-proliferation so power plants can continue operating (requires US Congressional approval), bilateral aviation agreements so our planes can fly internationally (seven important ones, I believe, including the US Will likely want to be renegotiated for the UK), product conformance, agriculture, trade, data regulation, customs. A lot of them require EU agreement to the renegotiation as well as the third party.
All in the capable hands of Liam Fox.
And some people say, no deal is better than a bad deal ..
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PBers are dating people born in 1996?
That is literally only a few years younger than me. Creepy.
Twitter has been so annoying this GE.Fenster said:
If this all ends up with a thumping Tory majority, we'll look back wondering WTF all the fuss was about.SeanT said:
Oh, for sure. I'll be back to the screaming abdabs by this evening, when YouGov have the Tory lead down to 4....DavidL said:
Too early to say but it looks more promising.SeanT said:Much relief in Tory circles at that ICM. The surge has peaked, it seems.
I reckon TMay will achieve a ten point lead or more, and with an extra boost in marginals and Scotland, and young people failing to turn out, as ever, she will win at a canter.
After all this huffing and puffing, fully a month later, maybe my original prediction of a 80-100 seat majority was quite accurate.
But ICM and Comres are the two best, to my mind, and they both have it around 12....
Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.
I wonder how the Twittersphere will handle it? Dr Eoin Clarke will probably hang himself.
Yes, he'll unlock our potential when McMao crashes the economy.....not.Pulpstar said:
But only Labour can unlock his potential - here :bigjohnowls said:Poor chap doesnt want to pay VAT on private school fees
https://twitter.com/SocialistVoice/status/869565478053834756
https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/8695716070600704010 -
Derby North? Corbyn full-on cultist, Chris Williamson might be back in Parliament. That's one more for the nomination papers.bigjohnowls said:Anecdote Alert
EM Regional Lab Party pulling resources from NE Derbyshire implication being it is lost.
Ploughing it into Chesterfield instead.
My take is its the Progress Club who are only interested in getting the most Progress supporting MPs back.
Engel is crap but if resources are being diverted s/b to Derby North which I think is on a knife edge.
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Has Lab confirmed their representative for tomorrow's BBC debate yet?
If Corbyn is going to cause a surprise and do it I would have thought they would say tonight rather than last minute - to cause May more embarrassment and in time to create publicity to get more people watching.0 -
No we voted Leave because unlike Greece we can walk, over 50% of UK exports go outside the EU and the UK is the 5th largest economy in the world, it would be tough but the UK would surviveFF43 said:
My fear isn't that we will walk away without a deal. I think the consequences of doing so are so severe that there is very little likelihood. It's that we will end up in a take or leave it situation where we feel obliged to take what we think is the bad deal but are massively resentful about it. A bit like Greece and its membership of the Euro - doesn't want to be in but can't get rid of it. If the whole point of Brexit is to take control and have less to do with an EU that we don't like, it's a bad situation to be in.HYUFD said:
If May wins the British people will have endorsed her position that no deal is better than a bad deal which keeps free movement intact and requires 100 billion euros of payments to the EUFF43 said:These are the third party agreements that lapse in March 2019. On nuclear non-proliferation so power plants can continue operating (requires US Congressional approval), bilateral aviation agreements so our planes can fly internationally (seven important ones, I believe, including the US Will likely want to be renegotiated for the UK), product conformance, agriculture, trade, data regulation, customs. A lot of them require EU agreement to the renegotiation as well as the third party.
All in the capable hands of Liam Fox.
And some people say, no deal is better than a bad deal ..
https://twitter.com/Clive_Bates/status/8695705032284938240 -
Ms. Apocalypse, worth noting there's a wide range of ages of PBers. I don't think Mr. Eagles is very old, which may explain why he hasn't been able to develop a mature understanding of classical history.
Dr. HQ, interesting. When I looked at this, briefly, at university, the rate was a quarter percent in the UK and 1% in the US.
Also, psychopaths tend to be successful and, generally, PBers are well above average when it comes to success.
Anyway, got to resume proofreading now. Play nicely, everyone.0 -
I had an interesting wander round large parts of my constituency today (pretty densely populated so it's not hard). Some things were very apparent.
Labour have enthused their well-off Remainerstan base. The affluent townhouses in the Labour ward, which had previously been decked out in Remain posters in the EU ref, were adorned with huge Labour boards. This is the ward of the Labour councillor who is the PPC.
Outside of this, **** all. Both Labour and Kippy Leave areas were devoid of signs completely. These places were not shy in the EU ref.
Tory Remainerstan had some Conservative boards sprinkled about, but it was notable the general the lack of enthusiasm.
Labour's Remainer core will turn out, but the nigh 40% of the Labour VI that are Leavers i'm not so sure. I'm not yet convinced turnout will be high, we'll see if things change next week.0 -
Wait, does that mean you are older than TSE? I am so bad at discerning peoples' ages.Morris_Dancer said:Ms. Apocalypse, worth noting there's a wide range of ages of PBers. I don't think Mr. Eagles is very old, which may explain why he hasn't been able to develop a mature understanding of classical history.
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The Tories have said they will deliver immigration control and sovereignty May has never said Brexit will boost our living standards just we can make it a successSouthamObserver said:
But this is a general election. It is the Tories that will be delivering Brexit and it is the Tories who have said that they will deliver one which improves living standards. Are they really going to say that they did not mean it?HYUFD said:
The Remain campaign was nothing but a Leave vote would lead to a drop in living standards but the voters still voted Leave anywaySouthamObserver said:
Where in the Tory manifesto does it say that a slight drop in living standards is on offer?HYUFD said:
No not really they took the choice that a slight drop in living standards was an acceptable price to pay to regain sovereignty and control immigration when they voted Leave, whether they still feel like that in a decade is another matter and then the single market may be on the cards againSouthamObserver said:
She will certainly claim that mandate. But whether she can sustain it in the face of what it means in reality is another thing entirely, given that she has also said she will negotiate a Brexit deal that will improve standards of living. The British people are also voting for that, are they not?HYUFD said:
If May wins the British people will have endorsed her position that no deal is better than a bad deal which keeps free movement intact and requires 100 billion euros of payments to the EUFF43 said:These are the third party agreements that lapse in March 2019. On nuclear non-proliferation so power plants can continue operating (requires US Congressional approval), bilateral aviation agreements so our planes can fly internationally (seven important ones, I believe, including the US Will likely want to be renegotiated for the UK), product conformance, agriculture, trade, data regulation, customs. A lot of them require EU agreement to the renegotiation as well as the third party.
All in the capable hands of Liam Fox.
And some people say, no deal is better than a bad deal ..
https://twitter.com/Clive_Bates/status/8695705032284938240 -
Where is thisbrokenwheel said:I had an interesting wander round large parts of my constituency today (pretty densely populated so it's not hard). Some things were very apparent.
Labour have enthused their well-off Remainerstan base. The affluent townhouses in the Labour ward, which had previously been decked out in Remain posters in the EU ref, were adorned with huge Labour boards. This is the ward of the Labour councillor who is the PPC.
Outside of this, **** all. Both Labour and Kippy Leave areas were devoid of signs completely. These places were not shy in the EU ref.
Tory Remainerstan had some Conservative boards sprinkled about, but it was notable general the lack of enthusiasm.
Labour's Remainer core will turn out, but the nigh 40% of the Labour VI that are Leavers i'm not so sure. I'm not yet convinced turnout will be high, we'll see if things change next week.
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Labour definitely "looked" stronger in the strong middle class remain (S11 of Sheff Central) and Totley of Hallam than round near my leave part of NED (Where Owls reckons they've given up)0 -
Dont forget Corbyn on The One Show at 7pm0
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The only PBers who I know who aren't *that* old are RobD, kle4 and yourself.Morris_Dancer said:Ms. Apocalypse, worth noting there's a wide range of ages of PBers. I don't think Mr. Eagles is very old, which may explain why he hasn't been able to develop a mature understanding of classical history.
Dr. HQ, interesting. When I looked at this, briefly, at university, the rate was a quarter percent in the UK and 1% in the US.
Also, psychopaths tend to be successful and, generally, PBers are well above average when it comes to success.
Anyway, got to resume proofreading now. Play nicely, everyone.
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Liz Kendall seems to be able to turn them out, even in the rain:dixiedean said:
Not sure they think they can get it. Just that there are many activists out and about here. Anecdotal I know.Pulpstar said:
Hexham ?! Lol that is madness for Labour to think they can get that.dixiedean said:
By contrast, Labour very visible in nearby Hexham. Town centre stalls, and at the County Show(!). Not that it will do them much good. Cons not seen at all, (as far as I am aware).Gallowgate said:
Labour have done nowt here in Gateshead apart from sending a leaflet with an incredibly unprofessional photo of the candidate that looks like its been taken with a potato and cropped from a photo of a board meeting.MarkSenior said:
Young Labour corbynite canvassers have been very active here in Worthing at both the CC elections and the GE . The one party that has done nothing here are the Conservatives but they will win easily anyway .Concanvasser said:If the youth vote is as fired up for Jeremy as some of the polling companies believe why are there so few tangible signs of it?
Where are the eager young corbynite canvassunlikely Why no deluge of Labourleaflets thrust from an army of young hands?
Either these millions of young Labour supporters are demonstrating a rectitude that would make a shy Tory maiden aunt look brazen or they are all talk and no action and most unlikely to turn out in anything like the numbers currently forecast.
The polls are flattering Labour.
Safe seats eh?
Many it depends on CLP local organisation?
https://twitter.com/pr_bren1/status/8691681538042757120 -
Gary Gibbon:
One Tory candidate from the region said he hadn’t seen anything of the wobble that the polls were talking about. He said: “I wouldn’t want to be anything other than a Tory in the West Midlands right now. She works better than Cameron here – the background, something about that I think. She’s a bit like Thatcher was in the West Midlands.”
https://www.channel4.com/news/by/gary-gibbon/blogs/may-conjures-image-of-corbyn-going-naked-into-negotiating-chamber0 -
My reports were accurate last time - if anything, I slightly underbid the majority (I thought around 2,500 - it was 3,286 in the end). I don't think it will be 11,500 majority Lord Ashcroft was suggesting, but anything north of 8k should make it quite safe next time around).Pulpstar said:
If your anecdotes from Torbay are accurate then the deep leave Tory targets are still well in play.MarqueeMark said:Three weeks back, the Tories were having fun visiting places they never knew existed, like Bolsover. Is there any evidence that they have rowed back - and the Cabinet are visiting rather less ambitious targets in the past week or so? Be curious to know....
As to how much you can extrapolate? Dunno. UKIP has as much life as a Norwegian Blue, that I do know. (I noticed that in a polling report on Clegg's seat of Sheffield Hallam, UKIP had lost 95% of their 2015 vote.)0 -
Not a good look for Corbyn on the Six O'Clock News, not that it'll make much difference.0
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I'm in my mid 30s*The_Apocalypse said:
The only PBers who I know who aren't *that* old are RobD, kle4 and yourself.Morris_Dancer said:Ms. Apocalypse, worth noting there's a wide range of ages of PBers. I don't think Mr. Eagles is very old, which may explain why he hasn't been able to develop a mature understanding of classical history.
Dr. HQ, interesting. When I looked at this, briefly, at university, the rate was a quarter percent in the UK and 1% in the US.
Also, psychopaths tend to be successful and, generally, PBers are well above average when it comes to success.
Anyway, got to resume proofreading now. Play nicely, everyone.
I thought everyone else was about 40+ at the very least.
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Me and Eagles are both mid 30s.The_Apocalypse said:
The only PBers who I know who aren't *that* old are RobD, kle4 and yourself.Morris_Dancer said:Ms. Apocalypse, worth noting there's a wide range of ages of PBers. I don't think Mr. Eagles is very old, which may explain why he hasn't been able to develop a mature understanding of classical history.
Dr. HQ, interesting. When I looked at this, briefly, at university, the rate was a quarter percent in the UK and 1% in the US.
Also, psychopaths tend to be successful and, generally, PBers are well above average when it comes to success.
Anyway, got to resume proofreading now. Play nicely, everyone.
I thought everyone else was about 40+ at the very least.0 -
I like Liz - it's a shame she and the rest will be kowtowing to the Corbynites after June 8th as they realise the man and/or his message are so popular they can no longer try to wrestle control from his faction.foxinsoxuk said:
Liz Kendall seems to be able to turn them out, even in the rain:dixiedean said:
Not sure they think they can get it. Just that there are many activists out and about here. Anecdotal I know.Pulpstar said:
Hexham ?! Lol that is madness for Labour to think they can get that.dixiedean said:
By contrast, Labour very visible in nearby Hexham. Town centre stalls, and at the County Show(!). Not that it will do them much good. Cons not seen at all, (as far as I am aware).Gallowgate said:
Labour have done nowt here in Gateshead apart from sending a leaflet with an incredibly unprofessional photo of the candidate that looks like its been taken with a potato and cropped from a photo of a board meeting.MarkSenior said:
Young Labour corbynite canvassers have been very active here in Worthing at both the CC elections and the GE . The one party that has done nothing here are the Conservatives but they will win easily anyway .Concanvasser said:If the youth vote is as fired up for Jeremy as some of the polling companies believe why are there so few tangible signs of it?
Where are the eager young corbynite canvassunlikely Why no deluge of Labourleaflets thrust from an army of young hands?
Either these millions of young Labour supporters are demonstrating a rectitude that would make a shy Tory maiden aunt look brazen or they are all talk and no action and most unlikely to turn out in anything like the numbers currently forecast.
The polls are flattering Labour.
Safe seats eh?
Many it depends on CLP local organisation?
https://twitter.com/pr_bren1/status/8691681538042757120 -
This next 7 days is the critical period to slag off your opponents.. It is sufficient to seep into the consciousness and not be forgotten in a further week's time..DavidL said:
Today seems to be the first time May has really gone for Labour. So far the plan seems to have been to ignore them. So we have no mention of Labour in the Manifesto and barely a reference to them last night. It's an interesting change of tack.CarlottaVance said:Martin Kettle on the background to May's 'naked' Corbyn:
Theresa May’s jibe that Jeremy Corbyn would be “alone and naked in the negotiating chamber” (see 12.54pm) if he was responsible for the UK’s Brexit talks was a deliberate echo of one of the bitterest and best remembered phrases in the Labour party’s internal history.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2017/may/30/general-election-2017-may-corbyn-paxman-snp-manifesto-politics-live0 -
As I keep saying - the Midlands will be horrible for Labour.CarlottaVance said:Gary Gibbon:
One Tory candidate from the region said he hadn’t seen anything of the wobble that the polls were talking about. He said: “I wouldn’t want to be anything other than a Tory in the West Midlands right now. She works better than Cameron here – the background, something about that I think. She’s a bit like Thatcher was in the West Midlands.”
https://www.channel4.com/news/by/gary-gibbon/blogs/may-conjures-image-of-corbyn-going-naked-into-negotiating-chamber
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BBC Six o'clock terrible for Corbyn.0
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Ah well, at least you aren't as old as SeanT.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm in my mid 30s*The_Apocalypse said:
The only PBers who I know who aren't *that* old are RobD, kle4 and yourself.Morris_Dancer said:Ms. Apocalypse, worth noting there's a wide range of ages of PBers. I don't think Mr. Eagles is very old, which may explain why he hasn't been able to develop a mature understanding of classical history.
Dr. HQ, interesting. When I looked at this, briefly, at university, the rate was a quarter percent in the UK and 1% in the US.
Also, psychopaths tend to be successful and, generally, PBers are well above average when it comes to success.
Anyway, got to resume proofreading now. Play nicely, everyone.
I thought everyone else was about 40+ at the very least.
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Well the Tory wobble wasn't much, it was more of a Labour surge. Midlands seems increasingly Tory though, in various areas.CarlottaVance said:Gary Gibbon:
One Tory candidate from the region said he hadn’t seen anything of the wobble that the polls were talking about. He said: “I wouldn’t want to be anything other than a Tory in the West Midlands right now. She works better than Cameron here – the background, something about that I think. She’s a bit like Thatcher was in the West Midlands.”
https://www.channel4.com/news/by/gary-gibbon/blogs/may-conjures-image-of-corbyn-going-naked-into-negotiating-chamber0 -
BBC news leading on Corbyn Womens Hour.
Pathetic Tories dont bother costing any commitment
How much will Pound Shop Thatcher House Snatcher Policy raise??????????0 -
Woman's Hour?KentRising said:BBC Six o'clock terrible for Corbyn.
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HYUFD said:
No we voted Leave because unlike Greece we can walk, over 50% of UK exports go outside the EU and the UK is the 5th largest economy in the world, it would be tough but the UK would survive</blockquoFF43 said:
My fear isn't that we will walk away without a deal. I think the consequences of doing so are so severe that there is very little likelihood. It's that we will end up in a take or leave it situation where we feel obliged to take what we think is the bad deal but are massively resentful about it. A bit like Greece and its membership of the Euro - doesn't want to be in but can't get rid of it. If the whole point of Brexit is to take control and have less to do with an EU that we don't like, it's a bad situation to be in.HYUFD said:
If May wins the British people will have endorsed her position that no deal is better than a bad deal which keeps free movement intact and requires 100 billion euros of payments to the EUFF43 said:These are the third party agreements that lapse in March 2019. On nuclear non-proliferation so power plants can continue operating (requires US Congressional approval), bilateral aviation agreements so our planes can fly internationally (seven important ones, I believe, including the US Will likely want to be renegotiated for the UK), product conformance, agriculture, trade, data regulation, customs. A lot of them require EU agreement to the renegotiation as well as the third party.
All in the capable hands of Liam Fox.
And some people say, no deal is better than a bad deal ..
https://twitter.com/Clive_Bates/status/869570503228493824
yep, the UK would survive, but would the Tories get re-elected in tough times in 2022?
In which case, would Mrs May walk...?0 -
So is Tissue Price. He's just under 18 months younger than me.Pulpstar said:
Me and Eagles are both mid 30s.The_Apocalypse said:
The only PBers who I know who aren't *that* old are RobD, kle4 and yourself.Morris_Dancer said:Ms. Apocalypse, worth noting there's a wide range of ages of PBers. I don't think Mr. Eagles is very old, which may explain why he hasn't been able to develop a mature understanding of classical history.
Dr. HQ, interesting. When I looked at this, briefly, at university, the rate was a quarter percent in the UK and 1% in the US.
Also, psychopaths tend to be successful and, generally, PBers are well above average when it comes to success.
Anyway, got to resume proofreading now. Play nicely, everyone.
I thought everyone else was about 40+ at the very least.0 -
Jeremy Corbyn suffers backlash after Mumsnet users accuse him of dodging tough questions in favour of 'fluff'
After the site’s live webchat with the Labour leader finished, one user said he had “just responded to a few arse lick comments” while another branded the event “a piss take”.
It came just hours after Mr Corbyn endured an awkward BBC interview which saw him struggle to set out how much one of his key childcare policies would cost.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-mumsnet-webchat-avoid-tough-questions-fluffy-labour-leader-womans-hour-childcare-a7763406.html0 -
There are some youngfogies here in their twenties, with the politics of a long retired colonel. fiftysomethings are the mode probably.The_Apocalypse said:
The only PBers who I know who aren't *that* old are RobD, kle4 and yourself.Morris_Dancer said:Ms. Apocalypse, worth noting there's a wide range of ages of PBers. I don't think Mr. Eagles is very old, which may explain why he hasn't been able to develop a mature understanding of classical history.
Dr. HQ, interesting. When I looked at this, briefly, at university, the rate was a quarter percent in the UK and 1% in the US.
Also, psychopaths tend to be successful and, generally, PBers are well above average when it comes to success.
Anyway, got to resume proofreading now. Play nicely, everyone.
I thought everyone else was about 40+ at the very least.0 -
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I'm not sure whether this is a bad thing or not. Having a Labour Party with radical values (albeit not ones that actually endanger the nation) is a good idea. With an untainted leadership it'd give the Tories a run for their money, although if a *lot* of Labour wets left for the LibDems or a new party the split in the vote might create a 1983-style situation.Slackbladder said:If Corbyn increases the labour voting share, but not enough to get anywhere near power, the biggest losers will be the Labour moderates. They'll have no chance of 'regaining' control from the Corbynites.
What will certainly be fun to behold, if Corbyn holds on, or is replaced by one of his allies, is the inevitable crossover in the polls as Brexit begins to bite. If 10-20% of the Tories' 50+ bulwark turn against May it'll make the next election very interesting.0 -
Not sure why Remainers are so ardent for Corbyn's Labour. None of his gang of clowns is remotely positive about the EU as far as I can see. And if Corbyn had put any welly into the Referendum then things might have been different.Pulpstar said:
Where is thisbrokenwheel said:I had an interesting wander round large parts of my constituency today (pretty densely populated so it's not hard). Some things were very apparent.
Labour have enthused their well-off Remainerstan base. The affluent townhouses in the Labour ward, which had previously been decked out in Remain posters in the EU ref, were adorned with huge Labour boards. This is the ward of the Labour councillor who is the PPC.
Outside of this, **** all. Both Labour and Kippy Leave areas were devoid of signs completely. These places were not shy in the EU ref.
Tory Remainerstan had some Conservative boards sprinkled about, but it was notable general the lack of enthusiasm.
Labour's Remainer core will turn out, but the nigh 40% of the Labour VI that are Leavers i'm not so sure. I'm not yet convinced turnout will be high, we'll see if things change next week. ?
Labour definitely "looked" stronger in the strong middle class remain (S11 of Sheff Central) and Totley of Hallam than round near my leave part of NED (Where Owls reckons they've given up)0 -
Me tooPulpstar said:
Me and Eagles are both mid 30s.The_Apocalypse said:
The only PBers who I know who aren't *that* old are RobD, kle4 and yourself.Morris_Dancer said:Ms. Apocalypse, worth noting there's a wide range of ages of PBers. I don't think Mr. Eagles is very old, which may explain why he hasn't been able to develop a mature understanding of classical history.
Dr. HQ, interesting. When I looked at this, briefly, at university, the rate was a quarter percent in the UK and 1% in the US.
Also, psychopaths tend to be successful and, generally, PBers are well above average when it comes to success.
Anyway, got to resume proofreading now. Play nicely, everyone.
I thought everyone else was about 40+ at the very least.0 -
And he was doing so well with thte female votersCarlottaVance said:Jeremy Corbyn suffers backlash after Mumsnet users accuse him of dodging tough questions in favour of 'fluff'
After the site’s live webchat with the Labour leader finished, one user said he had “just responded to a few arse lick comments” while another branded the event “a piss take”.
It came just hours after Mr Corbyn endured an awkward BBC interview which saw him struggle to set out how much one of his key childcare policies would cost.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-mumsnet-webchat-avoid-tough-questions-fluffy-labour-leader-womans-hour-childcare-a7763406.html0 -
That rather undercuts their patheticness though - they may not have costed properly, but they did admit to their own core vote they would pay more and lose freebies.bigjohnowls said:BBC news leading on Corbyn Womens Hour.
Pathetic Tories dont bother costing any commitment
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Good luck with that!!HYUFD said:
The Tories have said they will deliver immigration control and sovereignty May has never said Brexit will boost our living standards just we can make it a successSouthamObserver said:
But this is a general election. It is the Tories that will be delivering Brexit and it is the Tories who have said that they will deliver one which improves living standards. Are they really going to say that they did not mean it?HYUFD said:
The Remain campaign was nothing but a Leave vote would lead to a drop in living standards but the voters still voted Leave anywaySouthamObserver said:
Where in the Tory manifesto does it say that a slight drop in living standards is on offer?HYUFD said:
No not really they took the choice that a slight drop in living standards was an acceptable price to pay to regain sovereignty and control immigration when they voted Leave, whether they still feel like that in a decade is another matter and then the single market may be on the cards againSouthamObserver said:
She will certainly claim that mandate. But whether she can sustain it in the face of what it means in reality is another thing entirely, given that she has also said she will negotiate a Brexit deal that will improve standards of living. The British people are also voting for that, are they not?HYUFD said:
If May wins the British people will have endorsed her position that no deal is better than a bad deal which keeps free movement intact and requires 100 billion euros of payments to the EUFF43 said:These are the third party agreements that lapse in March 2019. On nuclear non-proliferation so power plants can continue operating (requires US Congressional approval), bilateral aviation agreements so our planes can fly internationally (seven important ones, I believe, including the US Will likely want to be renegotiated for the UK), product conformance, agriculture, trade, data regulation, customs. A lot of them require EU agreement to the renegotiation as well as the third party.
All in the capable hands of Liam Fox.
And some people say, no deal is better than a bad deal ..
https://twitter.com/Clive_Bates/status/869570503228493824
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Home counties Con-held Leavey seat.Pulpstar said:
Where is thisbrokenwheel said:I had an interesting wander round large parts of my constituency today (pretty densely populated so it's not hard). Some things were very apparent.
Labour have enthused their well-off Remainerstan base. The affluent townhouses in the Labour ward, which had previously been decked out in Remain posters in the EU ref, were adorned with huge Labour boards. This is the ward of the Labour councillor who is the PPC.
Outside of this, **** all. Both Labour and Kippy Leave areas were devoid of signs completely. These places were not shy in the EU ref.
Tory Remainerstan had some Conservative boards sprinkled about, but it was notable general the lack of enthusiasm.
Labour's Remainer core will turn out, but the nigh 40% of the Labour VI that are Leavers i'm not so sure. I'm not yet convinced turnout will be high, we'll see if things change next week. ?
Labour definitely "looked" stronger in the strong middle class remain (S11 of Sheff Central) and Totley of Hallam than round near my leave part of NED (Where Owls reckons they've given up)0 -
Yes, then Kuenssberg among the good folk of the Midlands.Ishmael_Z said:
Woman's Hour?KentRising said:BBC Six o'clock terrible for Corbyn.
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I'm 29 and will be for the next five years.Pulpstar said:
Me and Eagles are both mid 30s.The_Apocalypse said:
The only PBers who I know who aren't *that* old are RobD, kle4 and yourself.Morris_Dancer said:Ms. Apocalypse, worth noting there's a wide range of ages of PBers. I don't think Mr. Eagles is very old, which may explain why he hasn't been able to develop a mature understanding of classical history.
Dr. HQ, interesting. When I looked at this, briefly, at university, the rate was a quarter percent in the UK and 1% in the US.
Also, psychopaths tend to be successful and, generally, PBers are well above average when it comes to success.
Anyway, got to resume proofreading now. Play nicely, everyone.
I thought everyone else was about 40+ at the very least.0 -
I don't always agree with Liz Kendall, but the way she has been vilified by Corbynistas has been terrible. They really hate the idea of the Labour party being a board church.
Another one who they seem to truly *hate* is Laura K. I've never noticed anything wrong with her reports all in all, but according to Corbynistas that I know apparently, she's always biased against Corbyn....0 -
They won't be that fickle will they? I get the impression from election time that Mumsnet users are a right bunch of irritating offence takers.marke09 said:
And he was doing so well with thte female votersCarlottaVance said:Jeremy Corbyn suffers backlash after Mumsnet users accuse him of dodging tough questions in favour of 'fluff'
After the site’s live webchat with the Labour leader finished, one user said he had “just responded to a few arse lick comments” while another branded the event “a piss take”.
It came just hours after Mr Corbyn endured an awkward BBC interview which saw him struggle to set out how much one of his key childcare policies would cost.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-mumsnet-webchat-avoid-tough-questions-fluffy-labour-leader-womans-hour-childcare-a7763406.html0 -
Mid 20s here.0
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I think we can confidently expect to see some sort of land value tax in the 2022 Conservative manifesto?0
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So Corbyn's a fluffer?CarlottaVance said:Jeremy Corbyn suffers backlash after Mumsnet users accuse him of dodging tough questions in favour of 'fluff'
After the site’s live webchat with the Labour leader finished, one user said he had “just responded to a few arse lick comments” while another branded the event “a piss take”.
It came just hours after Mr Corbyn endured an awkward BBC interview which saw him struggle to set out how much one of his key childcare policies would cost.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-mumsnet-webchat-avoid-tough-questions-fluffy-labour-leader-womans-hour-childcare-a7763406.html
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My working assumption has always been that quite a few of the PB Tories are relatively young and male. Sometimes you can almost smell the testosterone :-)foxinsoxuk said:
There are some youngfogies here in their twenties, with the politics of a long retired colonel. fiftysomethings are the mode probably.The_Apocalypse said:
The only PBers who I know who aren't *that* old are RobD, kle4 and yourself.Morris_Dancer said:Ms. Apocalypse, worth noting there's a wide range of ages of PBers. I don't think Mr. Eagles is very old, which may explain why he hasn't been able to develop a mature understanding of classical history.
Dr. HQ, interesting. When I looked at this, briefly, at university, the rate was a quarter percent in the UK and 1% in the US.
Also, psychopaths tend to be successful and, generally, PBers are well above average when it comes to success.
Anyway, got to resume proofreading now. Play nicely, everyone.
I thought everyone else was about 40+ at the very least.
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Young fogies are the worst fogies of all.foxinsoxuk said:
There are some youngfogies here in their twenties, with the politics of a long retired colonel.The_Apocalypse said:
The only PBers who I know who aren't *that* old are RobD, kle4 and yourself.Morris_Dancer said:Ms. Apocalypse, worth noting there's a wide range of ages of PBers. I don't think Mr. Eagles is very old, which may explain why he hasn't been able to develop a mature understanding of classical history.
Dr. HQ, interesting. When I looked at this, briefly, at university, the rate was a quarter percent in the UK and 1% in the US.
Also, psychopaths tend to be successful and, generally, PBers are well above average when it comes to success.
Anyway, got to resume proofreading now. Play nicely, everyone.
I thought everyone else was about 40+ at the very least.
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llef said:
We would be out well before then and I still can't see Corbyn winning in 2022 either but by 2027 a more moderate Labour leader may win on a pro single market platformHYUFD said:
No we voted Leave because unlike Greece we can walk, over 50% of UK exports go outside the EU and the UK is the 5th largest economy in the world, it would be tough but the UK would surviveFF43 said:
My fear isn't that we will walk away without a deal. I think the consequences of doing so are so severe that there is very little likelihood. It's that we will end up in a take or leave it situation where we feel obliged to take what we think is the bad deal but are massively resentful about it. A bit like Greece and its membership of the Euro - doesn't want to be in but can't get rid of it. If the whole point of Brexit is to take control and have less to do with an EU that we don't like, it's a bad situation to be in.HYUFD said:
If May wins the British people will have endorsed her position that no deal is better than a bad deal which keeps free movement intact and requires 100 billion euros of payments to the EUFF43 said:These are the third party agreements that lapse in March 2019. On nuclear non-proliferation so power plants can continue operating (requires US Congressional approval), bilateral aviation agreements so our planes can fly internationally (seven important ones, I believe, including the US Will likely want to be renegotiated for the UK), product conformance, agriculture, trade, data regulation, customs. A lot of them require EU agreement to the renegotiation as well as the third party.
All in the capable hands of Liam Fox.
And some people say, no deal is better than a bad deal ..
https://twitter.com/Clive_Bates/status/8695705032284938240 -
Mumsnet is a bit like Cell Block H from Aussie TV past. Only more visceral.kle4 said:
They won't be that fickle will they? I get the impression from election time that Mumsnet users are a right bunch of irritating offence takers.marke09 said:
And he was doing so well with thte female votersCarlottaVance said:Jeremy Corbyn suffers backlash after Mumsnet users accuse him of dodging tough questions in favour of 'fluff'
After the site’s live webchat with the Labour leader finished, one user said he had “just responded to a few arse lick comments” while another branded the event “a piss take”.
It came just hours after Mr Corbyn endured an awkward BBC interview which saw him struggle to set out how much one of his key childcare policies would cost.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-mumsnet-webchat-avoid-tough-questions-fluffy-labour-leader-womans-hour-childcare-a7763406.html0 -
Back in the eighties an enthusiastic friend of mine was very left wing. He sold Labour Briefing, which is the only reason I had heard of it before the current election. I don't think even he actually read it mind. But he was canvassing on a council estate and got into an argument with an old woman. He annoyed her so much she bit him. He decided to go to the doctors and get a jab just in case. He then reacted to the jab and ended up in hospital. It meant he missed the 1983 election results, which he wouldn't have enjoyed at all. So it wasn't entirely bad.Clown_Car_HQ said:
About 1% of the population exhibit psychopathological tendencies so you are quite likely to come across it when canvassing.Casino_Royale said:
I had one guy put his son outside his door, to try and stop me delivering the leaflet, which didn't click with me at the time, and I just said "excuse me, sorry mate", and I just dodged past him to post it.camel said:
To be fair, I've had the same in the past when delivering non-political leaflets. I think some people sit alone, stewing in their own bile, and a leafletter is the perfect outlet.Casino_Royale said:
Leaflets being thrown back at you by someone running out their house? Oh yes. Usually several times each election.NickPalmer said:
Is that what usually happens? I've canvassed in places from Glasgow tenements to Sussex villages for 50 years, and neither of those events has ever happened to me! Torbay must be a jolly scary place.MarqueeMark said:
Still not had anybody run out to throw my leaflet back at me, still not had anyone telling me to "fuck off!" I'm not used to it being this civil.....
I usually encounter at least one very angry or hectoring person as well, who also tries to sabotage your work with neighbours and passers by, but they are rare.
Then he theatrically pushed the leaflet back out his own letterbox about ten seconds later, all scrunched up, littering his own front porch in doing so but did nothing to pick it up (I was about two homes down the road by then, as I work fast) and his son was laughing at me, with the father swearing - I presume, he said something, although I couldn't quite hear what it was.
I was shocked, but shrugged it off and carried on.
Some people are just quite angry and resentful in general, and looking for a target.
I'm sure nobody on PB comes from that 1%.
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Do Mumsnet actually like anyone?
Everytime leaders go on one of their 'webchats' it never seems to go right.
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I am taking a wait and see line on what happens after 8th June. This has not been a predictable campaign (the final result aside) and I sense that the aftermath will not be entirely predictable either.kle4 said:
I like Liz - it's a shame she and the rest will be kowtowing to the Corbynites after June 8th as they realise the man and/or his message are so popular they can no longer try to wrestle control from his faction.foxinsoxuk said:
Liz Kendall seems to be able to turn them out, even in the rain:dixiedean said:
Not sure they think they can get it. Just that there are many activists out and about here. Anecdotal I know.Pulpstar said:
Hexham ?! Lol that is madness for Labour to think they can get that.dixiedean said:
By contrast, Labour very visible in nearby Hexham. Town centre stalls, and at the County Show(!). Not that it will do them much good. Cons not seen at all, (as far as I am aware).Gallowgate said:
Labour have done nowt here in Gateshead apart from sending a leaflet with an incredibly unprofessional photo of the candidate that looks like its been taken with a potato and cropped from a photo of a board meeting.MarkSenior said:
Young Labour corbynite canvassers have been very active here in Worthing at both the CC elections and the GE . The one party that has done nothing here are the Conservatives but they will win easily anyway .Concanvasser said:If the youth vote is as fired up for Jeremy as some of the polling companies believe why are there so few tangible signs of it?
Where are the eager young corbynite canvassunlikely Why no deluge of Labourleaflets thrust from an army of young hands?
Either these millions of young Labour supporters are demonstrating a rectitude that would make a shy Tory maiden aunt look brazen or they are all talk and no action and most unlikely to turn out in anything like the numbers currently forecast.
The polls are flattering Labour.
Safe seats eh?
Many it depends on CLP local organisation?
https://twitter.com/pr_bren1/status/869168153804275712
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You are older than you have ever been before, and you will never be this young again!TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm in my mid 30s*The_Apocalypse said:
The only PBers who I know who aren't *that* old are RobD, kle4 and yourself.Morris_Dancer said:Ms. Apocalypse, worth noting there's a wide range of ages of PBers. I don't think Mr. Eagles is very old, which may explain why he hasn't been able to develop a mature understanding of classical history.
Dr. HQ, interesting. When I looked at this, briefly, at university, the rate was a quarter percent in the UK and 1% in the US.
Also, psychopaths tend to be successful and, generally, PBers are well above average when it comes to success.
Anyway, got to resume proofreading now. Play nicely, everyone.
I thought everyone else was about 40+ at the very least.
*Well closer to 40 than 35
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She seems to actually get on quite well with Corbyn, having seen them at the hustings together.kle4 said:
I like Liz - it's a shame she and the rest will be kowtowing to the Corbynites after June 8th as they realise the man and/or his message are so popular they can no longer try to wrestle control from his faction.foxinsoxuk said:
Liz Kendall seems to be able to turn them out, even in the rain:dixiedean said:
Not sure they think they can get it. Just that there are many activists out and about here. Anecdotal I know.Pulpstar said:
Hexham ?! Lol that is madness for Labour to think they can get that.dixiedean said:
By contrast, Labour very visible in nearby Hexham. Town centre stalls, and at the County Show(!). Not that it will do them much good. Cons not seen at all, (as far as I am aware).Gallowgate said:
Labour have done nowt here in Gateshead apart from sending a leaflet with an incredibly unprofessional photo of the candidate that looks like its been taken with a potato and cropped from a photo of a board meeting.MarkSenior said:
Young Labour corbynite canvassers have been very active here in Worthing at both the CC elections and the GE . The one party that has done nothing here are the Conservatives but they will win easily anyway .Concanvasser said:If the youth vote is as fired up for Jeremy as some of the polling companies believe why are there so few tangible signs of it?
Where are the eager young corbynite canvassunlikely Why no deluge of Labourleaflets thrust from an army of young hands?
Either these millions of young Labour supporters are demonstrating a rectitude that would make a shy Tory maiden aunt look brazen or they are all talk and no action and most unlikely to turn out in anything like the numbers currently forecast.
The polls are flattering Labour.
Safe seats eh?
Many it depends on CLP local organisation?
https://twitter.com/pr_bren1/status/869168153804275712
They obviously have political differences, but also much in common.
I think both right and left wingers will bury the hatchet shortly, realising that it is possible to out campaign the Tories.0 -
Just today she said Britain would be "more prosperous" afterwardsSouthamObserver said:
Good luck with that!!HYUFD said:
The Tories have said they will deliver immigration control and sovereignty May has never said Brexit will boost our living standards just we can make it a successSouthamObserver said:
But this is a general election. It is the Tories that will be delivering Brexit and it is the Tories who have said that they will deliver one which improves living standards. Are they really going to say that they did not mean it?HYUFD said:
The Remain campaign was nothing but a Leave vote would lead to a drop in living standards but the voters still voted Leave anywaySouthamObserver said:
Where in the Tory manifesto does it say that a slight drop in living standards is on offer?HYUFD said:
No not really they took the choice that a slight drop in living standards was an acceptable price to pay to regain sovereignty and control immigration when they voted Leave, whether they still feel like that in a decade is another matter and then the single market may be on the cards againSouthamObserver said:
She will certainly claim that mandate. But whether she can sustain it in the face of what it means in reality is another thing entirely, given that she has also said she will negotiate a Brexit deal that will improve standards of living. The British people are also voting for that, are they not?HYUFD said:
If May wins the British people will have endorsed her position that no deal is better than a bad deal which keeps free movement intact and requires 100 billion euros of payments to the EUFF43 said:These are the third party agreements that lapse in March 2019. On nuclear non-proliferation so power plants can continue operating (requires US Congressional approval), bilateral aviation agreements so our planes can fly internationally (seven important ones, I believe, including the US Will likely want to be renegotiated for the UK), product conformance, agriculture, trade, data regulation, customs. A lot of them require EU agreement to the renegotiation as well as the third party.
All in the capable hands of Liam Fox.
And some people say, no deal is better than a bad deal ..
https://twitter.com/Clive_Bates/status/8695705032284938240 -
If Twitter is unrepresentative of the Labour Left/Right....yesfoxinsoxuk said:
She seems to actually get on quite well with Corbyn, having seen them at the hustings together.kle4 said:
I like Liz - it's a shame she and the rest will be kowtowing to the Corbynites after June 8th as they realise the man and/or his message are so popular they can no longer try to wrestle control from his faction.foxinsoxuk said:
Liz Kendall seems to be able to turn them out, even in the rain:dixiedean said:
Not sure they think they can get it. Just that there are many activists out and about here. Anecdotal I know.Pulpstar said:
Hexham ?! Lol that is madness for Labour to think they can get that.dixiedean said:
By contrast, Labour very visible in nearby Hexham. Town centre stalls, and at the County Show(!). Not that it will do them much good. Cons not seen at all, (as far as I am aware).Gallowgate said:
Labour have done nowt here in Gateshead apart from sending a leaflet with an incredibly unprofessional photo of the candidate that looks like its been taken with a potato and cropped from a photo of a board meeting.MarkSenior said:
Young Labour corbynite canvassers have been very active here in Worthing at both the CC elections and the GE . The one party that has done nothing here are the Conservatives but they will win easily anyway .Concanvasser said:If the youth vote is as fired up for Jeremy as some of the polling companies believe why are there so few tangible signs of it?
Where are the eager young corbynite canvassunlikely Why no deluge of Labourleaflets thrust from an army of young hands?
Either these millions of young Labour supporters are demonstrating a rectitude that would make a shy Tory maiden aunt look brazen or they are all talk and no action and most unlikely to turn out in anything like the numbers currently forecast.
The polls are flattering Labour.
Safe seats eh?
Many it depends on CLP local organisation?
https://twitter.com/pr_bren1/status/869168153804275712
They obviously have political differences, but also much in common.
I think both right and left wingers will bury the hatchet shortly, realising that it is possible to out campaign the Tories.
If it is representative then no.0 -
Damn! There was me thinking I was the PB baby in my late 20s...Gallowgate said:Mid 20s here.
Scary to think I got addicted to this site 10 years ago...0 -
You're not the PB Baby. I'm in my early 20s.RoyalBlue said:
Damn! There was me thinking I was the PB baby in my late 20s...Gallowgate said:Mid 20s here.
Scary to think I got addicted to this site 10 years ago...0 -
Is this stuff really cutting through? It ought to, but it's amazing how many people I speak to are indifferent or have the attitude that 'it was 20 years ago', as if Corbyn's past behaviour and words indicate nothing about how safe he'd keep the country today.isam said:0 -
https://twitter.com/bbcthisweek/status/867885723860451328foxinsoxuk said:
She seems to actually get on quite well with Corbyn, having seen them at the hustings together.kle4 said:
I like Liz - it's a shame she and the rest will be kowtowing to the Corbynites after June 8th as they realise the man and/or his message are so popular they can no longer try to wrestle control from his faction.foxinsoxuk said:
Liz Kendall seems to be able to turn them out, even in the rain:dixiedean said:
Not sure they think they can get it. Just that there are many activists out and about here. Anecdotal I know.Pulpstar said:
Hexham ?! Lol that is madness for Labour to think they can get that.dixiedean said:
By contrast, Labour very visible in nearby Hexham. Town centre stalls, and at the County Show(!). Not that it will do them much good. Cons not seen at all, (as far as I am aware).Gallowgate said:
Labour have done nowt here in Gateshead apart from sending a leaflet with an incredibly unprofessional photo of the candidate that looks like its been taken with a potato and cropped from a photo of a board meeting.MarkSenior said:
Young Labour corbynite canvassers have been very active here in Worthing at both the CC elections and the GE . The one party that has done nothing here are the Conservatives but they will win easily anyway .Concanvasser said:If the youth vote is as fired up for Jeremy as some of the polling companies believe why are there so few tangible signs of it?
Where are the eager young corbynite canvassunlikely Why no deluge of Labourleaflets thrust from an army of young hands?
Either these millions of young Labour supporters are demonstrating a rectitude that would make a shy Tory maiden aunt look brazen or they are all talk and no action and most unlikely to turn out in anything like the numbers currently forecast.
The polls are flattering Labour.
Safe seats eh?
Many it depends on CLP local organisation?
https://twitter.com/pr_bren1/status/869168153804275712
They obviously have political differences, but also much in common.
I think both right and left wingers will bury the hatchet shortly, realising that it is possible to out campaign the Tories.0 -
She didn't mean it, clearly. Everyone who votes Tory is apparently voting explicitly for a slightly lower standard of living in return for more sovereignty and lower immigration.IanB2 said:
Just today she said Britain would be "more prosperous" afterwardsSouthamObserver said:
Good luck with that!!HYUFD said:
The Tories have said they will deliver immigration control and sovereignty May has never said Brexit will boost our living standards just we can make it a successSouthamObserver said:
But this is a general election. It is the Tories that will be delivering Brexit and it is the Tories who have said that they will deliver one which improves living standards. Are they really going to say that they did not mean it?HYUFD said:
The Remain campaign was nothing but a Leave vote would lead to a drop in living standards but the voters still voted Leave anywaySouthamObserver said:
Where in the Tory manifesto does it say that a slight drop in living standards is on offer?HYUFD said:
No not really they took the choice that a slight drop in living standards was an acceptable price to pay to regain sovereignty and control immigration when they voted Leave, whether they still feel like that in a decade is another matter and then the single market may be on the cards againSouthamObserver said:
She will certainly claim that mandate. But whether she can sustain it in the face of what it means in reality is another thing entirely, given that she has also said she will negotiate a Brexit deal that will improve standards of living. The British people are also voting for that, are they not?HYUFD said:
If May wins the British people will have endorsed her position that no deal is better than a bad deal which keeps free movement intact and requires 100 billion euros of payments to the EUFF43 said:These are the third party agreements that lapse in March 2019. On nuclear non-proliferation so power plants can continue operating (requires US Congressional approval), bilateral aviation agreements so our planes can fly internationally (seven important ones, I believe, including the US Will likely want to be renegotiated for the UK), product conformance, agriculture, trade, data regulation, customs. A lot of them require EU agreement to the renegotiation as well as the third party.
All in the capable hands of Liam Fox.
And some people say, no deal is better than a bad deal ..
https://twitter.com/Clive_Bates/status/869570503228493824
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Same. Well, 24. I guess that's mid-20s.The_Apocalypse said:
You're not the PB Baby. I'm in my early 20s.RoyalBlue said:
Damn! There was me thinking I was the PB baby in my late 20s...Gallowgate said:Mid 20s here.
Scary to think I got addicted to this site 10 years ago...0 -
According to the BBC Trust she is tooThe_Apocalypse said:I don't always agree with Liz Kendall, but the way she has been vilified by Corbynistas has been terrible. They really hate the idea of the Labour party being a board church.
Another one who they seem to truly *hate* is Laura K. I've never noticed anything wrong with her reports all in all, but according to Corbynistas that I know apparently, she's always biased against Corbyn....0 -
Laura reports it as it is, and that is what they despise about her.The_Apocalypse said:I don't always agree with Liz Kendall, but the way she has been vilified by Corbynistas has been terrible. They really hate the idea of the Labour party being a board church.
Another one who they seem to truly *hate* is Laura K. I've never noticed anything wrong with her reports all in all, but according to Corbynistas that I know apparently, she's always biased against Corbyn....0 -
We feel your pain...And you were so chipper when hyper-ventilating over the Dementia Tax...bigjohnowls said:BBC news leading on Corbyn Womens Hour.
Pathetic Tories dont bother costing any commitment
How much will Pound Shop Thatcher House Snatcher Policy raise??????????0 -
Brexit is expected to make us poorer than we would otherwise have been.
But it's perfectly possible, indeed very likely unless things really get messed up, that we will end up richer than currently.
So I'm not sure there will be all that much economic fallout in general?
In particular sectors there may well be.
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There is certainly room for an accommodation if people want it. Left wing policies do not have to be alienating, you do not have to live in fear of the Tory press; but you do need a leader who comes with no baggage and an ability to do detail. The return to the two party system in England is hugely beneficial to Labour.foxinsoxuk said:
She seems to actually get on quite well with Corbyn, having seen them at the hustings together.kle4 said:
I like Liz - it's a shame she and the rest will be kowtowing to the Corbynites after June 8th as they realise the man and/or his message are so popular they can no longer try to wrestle control from his faction.foxinsoxuk said:
Liz Kendall seems to be able to turn them out, even in the rain:dixiedean said:
Not sure they think they can get it. Just that there are many activists out and about here. Anecdotal I know.Pulpstar said:
Hexham ?! Lol that is madness for Labour to think they can get that.dixiedean said:
By contrast, Labour very visible in nearby Hexham. Town centre stalls, and at the County Show(!). Not that it will do them much good. Cons not seen at all, (as far as I am aware).Gallowgate said:
Labour have done nowt here in Gateshead apart from sending a leaflet with an incredibly unprofessional photo of the candidate that looks like its been taken with a potato and cropped from a photo of a board meeting.MarkSenior said:
Young Labour corbynite canvassers have been very active here in Worthing at both the CC elections and the GE . The one party that has done nothing here are the Conservatives but they will win easily anyway .Concanvasser said:If the youth vote is as fired up for Jeremy as some of the polling companies believe why are there so few tangible signs of it?
Where are the eager young corbynite canvassunlikely Why no deluge of Labourleaflets thrust from an army of young hands?
Either these millions of young Labour supporters are demonstrating a rectitude that would make a shy Tory maiden aunt look brazen or they are all talk and no action and most unlikely to turn out in anything like the numbers currently forecast.
The polls are flattering Labour.
Safe seats eh?
Many it depends on CLP local organisation?
https://twitter.com/pr_bren1/status/869168153804275712
They obviously have political differences, but also much in common.
I think both right and left wingers will bury the hatchet shortly, realising that it is possible to out campaign the Tories.
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Too much youth stinking up the place. Where's JackW?0
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I am sure it will. Eventually..... three or four generations later.....IanB2 said:
Just today she said Britain would be "more prosperous" afterwardsSouthamObserver said:
Good luck with that!!HYUFD said:
The Tories have said they will deliver immigration control and sovereignty May has never said Brexit will boost our living standards just we can make it a successSouthamObserver said:
But this is a general election. It is the Tories that will be delivering Brexit and it is the Tories who have said that they will deliver one which improves living standards. Are they really going to say that they did not mean it?HYUFD said:
The Remain campaign was nothing but a Leave vote would lead to a drop in living standards but the voters still voted Leave anywaySouthamObserver said:
Where in the Tory manifesto does it say that a slight drop in living standards is on offer?HYUFD said:
No not really they took the choice that a slight drop in living standards was an acceptable price to pay to regain sovereignty and control immigration when they voted Leave, whether they still feel like that in a decade is another matter and then the single market may be on the cards againSouthamObserver said:
She will certainly claim that mandate. But whether she can sustain it in the face of what it means in reality is another thing entirely, given that she has also said she will negotiate a Brexit deal that will improve standards of living. The British people are also voting for that, are they not?HYUFD said:
If May wins the British people will have endorsed her position that no deal is better than a bad deal which keeps free movement intact and requires 100 billion euros of payments to the EUFF43 said:These are the third party agreements that lapse in March 2019. On nuclear non-proliferation so power plants can continue operating (requires US Congressional approval), bilateral aviation agreements so our planes can fly internationally (seven important ones, I believe, including the US Will likely want to be renegotiated for the UK), product conformance, agriculture, trade, data regulation, customs. A lot of them require EU agreement to the renegotiation as well as the third party.
All in the capable hands of Liam Fox.
And some people say, no deal is better than a bad deal ..
https://twitter.com/Clive_Bates/status/8695705032284938240 -
WAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!The_Apocalypse said:
You're not the PB Baby. I'm in my early 20s.RoyalBlue said:
Damn! There was me thinking I was the PB baby in my late 20s...Gallowgate said:Mid 20s here.
Scary to think I got addicted to this site 10 years ago...0 -
I saw that, but wasn't that only a single report? Out of all the ones she's done over the years?bigjohnowls said:
According to the BBC Trust she is tooThe_Apocalypse said:I don't always agree with Liz Kendall, but the way she has been vilified by Corbynistas has been terrible. They really hate the idea of the Labour party being a board church.
Another one who they seem to truly *hate* is Laura K. I've never noticed anything wrong with her reports all in all, but according to Corbynistas that I know apparently, she's always biased against Corbyn....
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https://www.facebook.com/conservatives/videos/10155038725964279/
155,000 views (over 30,000/hour), 2,757 shares, 4,300 reactions, 1,600 comments0 -
It probably hits the mark in a few places such as the West Midlands and WarringtonEssexit said:
Is this stuff really cutting through? It ought to, but it's amazing how many people I speak to are indifferent or have the attitude that 'it was 20 years ago', as if Corbyn's past behaviour and words indicate nothing about how safe he'd keep the country today.isam said:0
