Is this stuff really cutting through? It ought to, but it's amazing how many people I speak to are indifferent or have the attitude that 'it was 20 years ago', as if Corbyn's past behaviour and words indicate nothing about how safe he'd keep the country today.
It's cutting through with the people it is targeted at, which is why there's been so little movement in the projected conservative vote share. It was around 44% before the election was called, it's around 43% now.
Most of the conservative political advertising is about giving people the excuses they need to to vote the way they've already decided to vote.
I think we can confidently expect to see some sort of land value tax in the 2022 Conservative manifesto?
I'd actually like to see that, properly explained rather than hidden away, paired up with a huge cut in income tax.
Dream on!
Given the problems piling up in the near future it is clear that a bundle of cash will be needed to sort them out. Guess where they will get the money from?
I can get all my positive labour views that it's all MSM fault from Facebook, if I wanted to listen to right wing ramping I can go to order order.com please can we stop vilifying each other with party clap trap and stick with our perception of what is going on.
Is this stuff really cutting through? It ought to, but it's amazing how many people I speak to are indifferent or have the attitude that 'it was 20 years ago', as if Corbyn's past behaviour and words indicate nothing about how safe he'd keep the country today.
Talking to some of my family members, I think people are willing to dismiss comments made twenty years ago.
Trouble is, McMao has made troubling comments as recently as 2013, which is far harder to dismiss.
Welsh Tories arguing amongst themselves as to who was suppose to appear on tonights leaders debate - Davies or Cairns both saying it was suppose to be the other now DarrenMillar will step in
She didn't mean it, clearly. Everyone who votes Tory is apparently voting explicitly for a slightly lower standard of living in return for more sovereignty and lower immigration.
I have a much more jaundiced view of it. The Baby Boomers are voting themselves one last blast of privilege and champagne whilst handing the bill to those following them. The next few generations will be paying for the imaginary £350m per week that Brussels was keeping from care budgets and pension rises.
The oncoming shambles will take decades to sort out and it will blight a lot of lives.
Is this stuff really cutting through? It ought to, but it's amazing how many people I speak to are indifferent or have the attitude that 'it was 20 years ago', as if Corbyn's past behaviour and words indicate nothing about how safe he'd keep the country today.
It's cutting through with the people it is targeted at, which is why there's been so little movement in the projected conservative vote share. It was around 44% before the election was called, it's around 43% now.
Most of the conservative political advertising is about giving people the excuses they need to to vote the way they've already decided to vote.
WillS
I'm assuming they have completely replaced bilboard ads as I've seen none this election.
I don't always agree with Liz Kendall, but the way she has been vilified by Corbynistas has been terrible. They really hate the idea of the Labour party being a board church.
Another one who they seem to truly *hate* is Laura K. I've never noticed anything wrong with her reports all in all, but according to Corbynistas that I know apparently, she's always biased against Corbyn....
Personally I don't find her bias. I do think she is a bit 'anti-politician' though. She often seems to want to parse what politicians say and set herself up as this knowing neutral arbiter.
I quite like Liz Kendall - found it really refreshing when she was asked on TV if she was going to run and then gave a straight answer - yes! She also was brave enough to do an interview with Owen Jones. If Corbyn hadn't stood I think she might have won as the change candidate.
I had an interesting wander round large parts of my constituency today (pretty densely populated so it's not hard). Some things were very apparent.
Labour have enthused their well-off Remainerstan base. The affluent townhouses in the Labour ward, which had previously been decked out in Remain posters in the EU ref, were adorned with huge Labour boards. This is the ward of the Labour councillor who is the PPC.
Outside of this, **** all. Both Labour and Kippy Leave areas were devoid of signs completely. These places were not shy in the EU ref.
Tory Remainerstan had some Conservative boards sprinkled about, but it was notable general the lack of enthusiasm.
Labour's Remainer core will turn out, but the nigh 40% of the Labour VI that are Leavers i'm not so sure. I'm not yet convinced turnout will be high, we'll see if things change next week.
Where is this ?
Labour definitely "looked" stronger in the strong middle class remain (S11 of Sheff Central) and Totley of Hallam than round near my leave part of NED (Where Owls reckons they've given up)
Not sure why Remainers are so ardent for Corbyn's Labour. None of his gang of clowns is remotely positive about the EU as far as I can see. And if Corbyn had put any welly into the Referendum then things might have been different.
But were they Remainers because they loved the EU or because they thought it promoted internationalism? Corbyn might not of been a fan of the EU but he is the embodiment of international socialism (Trotskyism).
She didn't mean it, clearly. Everyone who votes Tory is apparently voting explicitly for a slightly lower standard of living in return for more sovereignty and lower immigration.
The Baby Boomers are voting themselves one last blast of privilege and champagne whilst handing the bill to those following them
Cheers!
Joking apart....the young really do need to start voting.....
I don't always agree with Liz Kendall, but the way she has been vilified by Corbynistas has been terrible. They really hate the idea of the Labour party being a board church.
Another one who they seem to truly *hate* is Laura K. I've never noticed anything wrong with her reports all in all, but according to Corbynistas that I know apparently, she's always biased against Corbyn....
According to the BBC Trust she is too
I quite like Liz Kendall - found it really refreshing when she was asked on TV if she was going to run and then gave a straight answer - yes!
Yes, her frankness at that early stage I very much appreciated, while others were still hemming and hawwing.
I think we can confidently expect to see some sort of land value tax in the 2022 Conservative manifesto?
As a big supporter of the Land Value Tax,* I would love that, But I think it is highly unlikely to become Tory policy, Teresa May is pushing the party as fast as she can away form classical liberalism, and economic sense. while a big chunk of the Parys supporters should stand to lose out.
I won't go in to a big essay hear, but Denmark has a LVT and is IMO one of the reasons why that country has both high tax revenue and thriving free market economy.
*Technically, all tax is steeling, so I don't so much support it as see it as by far the lest bad option, so may be support is the wrong word?
Am I missing something? The bit in red is the truth.
I thought it was because the IRA realised they couldn't win that they came to the negotiating table.
You can argue without the IRA there would be no peace in NI and the Catholics would still be oppressed by the British Government. One man's terrorist is one man's freedom fighter...
I don't always agree with Liz Kendall, but the way she has been vilified by Corbynistas has been terrible. They really hate the idea of the Labour party being a board church.
Another one who they seem to truly *hate* is Laura K. I've never noticed anything wrong with her reports all in all, but according to Corbynistas that I know apparently, she's always biased against Corbyn....
I'm a Corbynista these days, I suppose, but I like Liz and so at a personal level does Corbyn (and vice versa). You can't really generalise about all Corbynistas any more than all PBtories...
But I do think Laura K is a bit biased - I remember a tweet she put out summarising how she saw May's and Corbyn's pitch which was distinctly helpful to May. In general I don't think reporters ought to be expressing their opinions of different platforms - just telling us what's happening and asking pointed questions would be fine. I'm not a fan of Andrew Neil, but I think he did a good job on both leaders last week, whereas Paxman's hectoring style was always annoying and hasn't aged well.
Am I missing something? The bit in red is the truth.
I thought it was because the IRA realised they couldn't win that they came to the negotiating table.
You can argue without the IRA there would be no peace in NI and the Catholics would still be oppressed by the British Government. One man's terrorist is one man's freedom fighter...
How can you argue that, they were one of the belligerents.
A few days ago TykeJohnno said: "eastern european immigration which is unskilled and poor and coming here not for a job then it can f--- right off.(Example the inner city I live)"
I think we can confidently expect to see some sort of land value tax in the 2022 Conservative manifesto?
As a big supporter of the Land Value Tax,* I would love that, But I think it is highly unlikely to become Tory policy, Teresa May is pushing the party as fast as she can away form classical liberalism, and economic sense. while a big chunk of the Parys supporters should stand to lose out.
I won't go in to a big essay hear, but Denmark has a LVT and is IMO one of the reasons why that country has both high tax revenue and thriving free market economy.
*Technically, all tax is steeling, so I don't so much support it as see it as by far the lest bad option, so may be support is the wrong word?
Is this stuff really cutting through? It ought to, but it's amazing how many people I speak to are indifferent or have the attitude that 'it was 20 years ago', as if Corbyn's past behaviour and words indicate nothing about how safe he'd keep the country today.
I can forgive youngsters for not really grasping the lunacy of letting Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott near the levers of power. I was young and naïve once (now I am just naïve) & Jezza does have a sort of noble, rebellious quality to him if you don't scratch the surface.
The oldies who would let these nutcases in No 10 out of partisan hate for the Tories should be ashamed of themselves though
Leader of the Welsh Tories Andrew RT Davies is said to be on holiday -who the hell goes on holiday the week before an election? Thats it Labour will win Wales
Leader of the Welsh Tories Andrew RT Davies is said to be on holiday -who the hell goes on holiday the week before an election? Thats it Labour will win Wales
It does seem like the more, er, extremely positive Tory polls over there were part of the post-election call hysteria.
Am I missing something? The bit in red is the truth.
"... the peace we have now is due to the action of the IRA"
3,000+ dead people where also due to the action of the IRA. I do not see McDonnell shouting about that.
If the British Government was less intransigent and really cared for a settlement, a lot of those lives could have been saved. Very easy to paint this in black and white, between good and evil etc - we all know it's more complex than that.
I don't always agree with Liz Kendall, but the way she has been vilified by Corbynistas has been terrible. They really hate the idea of the Labour party being a board church.
Another one who they seem to truly *hate* is Laura K. I've never noticed anything wrong with her reports all in all, but according to Corbynistas that I know apparently, she's always biased against Corbyn....
I'm a Corbynista these days, I suppose, but I like Liz and so at a personal level does Corbyn (and vice versa). You can't really generalise about all Corbynistas any more than all PBtories...
But I do think Laura K is a bit biased - I remember a tweet she put out summarising how she saw May's and Corbyn's pitch which was distinctly helpful to May. In general I don't think reporters ought to be expressing their opinions of different platforms - just telling us what's happening and asking pointed questions would be fine. I'm not a fan of Andrew Neil, but I think he did a good job on both leaders last week, whereas Paxman's hectoring style was always annoying and hasn't aged well.
I generally base my comments on Corbynistas on Twitter (which is representative of the Left to an extent) and my real life experiences. Maybe there's a chance that a lot of Corbynistsas are willing to engage without automatically calling you a Blairite or a Tory, but sadly that's not been my experience.
I can't comment on that Laura K tweet as I didn't see it.
I agree with you on Andrew Neil - he's the best political interviewer on TV. I also agree with you on Paxman, he was bloody awful yesterday. He got universally bad reviews across pundits of all stripes on Twitter yesterday as well. Even Dan Hodges was pretty critical of him.
Am I missing something? The bit in red is the truth.
"... the peace we have now is due to the action of the IRA"
3,000+ dead people where also due to the action of the IRA. I do not see McDonnell shouting about that.
If the British Government was less intransigent and really cared for a settlement, a lot of those lives could have been saved. Very easy to paint this in black and white, between good and evil etc - we all know it's more complex than that.
That settlement being ceding Northern Ireland? Yeah, that'd have gone down well with the loyalist side.
Am I missing something? The bit in red is the truth.
"... the peace we have now is due to the action of the IRA"
3,000+ dead people where also due to the action of the IRA. I do not see McDonnell shouting about that.
Brighton Bombing almost killed Thatcher, the IRA mortared Downing St, both were attempts at regime change. Add on the loss of lives in Belfast, Londonderry, Canary Wharf, Warrington and it is possible to understand why Corbyn and McDonnell are not trusted by their contemporaries. They both beneath contempt.
Is this stuff really cutting through? It ought to, but it's amazing how many people I speak to are indifferent or have the attitude that 'it was 20 years ago', as if Corbyn's past behaviour and words indicate nothing about how safe he'd keep the country today.
I can forgive youngsters for not really grasping the lunacy of letting Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott near the levers of power. I was young and naïve once (now I am just naïve) & Jezza does have a sort of noble, rebellious quality to him if you don't scratch the surface.
The oldies who would let these nutcases in No 10 out of partisan hate for the Tories should be ashamed of themselves though
Didn't you claim after the Labour manifesto came out that you were a "floating voter"?
I don't always agree with Liz Kendall, but the way she has been vilified by Corbynistas has been terrible. They really hate the idea of the Labour party being a board church.
Another one who they seem to truly *hate* is Laura K. I've never noticed anything wrong with her reports all in all, but according to Corbynistas that I know apparently, she's always biased against Corbyn....
I'm a Corbynista these days, I suppose, but I like Liz and so at a personal level does Corbyn (and vice versa). You can't really generalise about all Corbynistas any more than all PBtories...
But I do think Laura K is a bit biased - I remember a tweet she put out summarising how she saw May's and Corbyn's pitch which was distinctly helpful to May. In general I don't think reporters ought to be expressing their opinions of different platforms - just telling us what's happening and asking pointed questions would be fine. I'm not a fan of Andrew Neil, but I think he did a good job on both leaders last week, whereas Paxman's hectoring style was always annoying and hasn't aged well.
I generally base my comments on Corbynistas on Twitter (which is representative of the Left to an extent) and my real life experiences. Maybe there's a chance that a lot of Corbynistsas are willing to engage without automatically calling you a Blairite or a Tory, but sadly that's not been my experience.
I can't comment on that Laura K tweet as I didn't see it.
I agree with you on Andrew Neil - he's the best political interviewer on TV. I also agree with you on Paxman, he was bloody awful yesterday. He got universally bad reviews across pundits of all stripes on Twitter yesterday as well. Even Dan Hodges was pretty critical of him.
I'd be wary about basing things on Twitter. Skews younger, richer, crazier, angrier... I actually think part of it is the medium. There are politicians and celebrities saying stuff on there they would never normally say in public or sometimes even in private.
Bit of a disconnect. Council tax is a land value tax. All this is is a big rise in Council Tax.
No it's not council tax is a land occupation tax as it's paid by the occupier not the owner.
Eh ?
In my case that's the same person. But surely Labour should tax the OWNERS - this stinks to high heaven if it is on the occupiers ! More taxes for generation rent - is this right ?
If it's a proper Land Value Tax it should be on the owners, not the occupiers, because it's a tax on the potential fully exploited value of the land. ie you would pay the same tax on an undeveloped piece of land as on one with houses built on it, assuming the first has planning permission. The benefit claimed for LVT is that unlike other taxes its incentives are beneficial, not perverse. By contrast income tax discourages employment; rates discourage development.
How do you stop landlords passing it on to their tenants through increased rent?
It causes more owners of land with planning allocation or consent to build out, increasing the supply of housing, and meaning if landlords try and pass an excessive proportion of the tax on to tenants, the tenants can choose instead to rent from a landlord who doesn't, basically.
The 'cost recovery' theory of the rental market doesn't hold up. It requires that, at the moment, landlords are keeping prices lower than the market could bear because they don't think it would be 'fair on tenants' to maximise their profits.
Does that really sound likely? How many landlords have "passed on" the reduction in interest rates to their tenants over the last decade?
I don't always agree with Liz Kendall, but the way she has been vilified by Corbynistas has been terrible. They really hate the idea of the Labour party being a board church.
Another one who they seem to truly *hate* is Laura K. I've never noticed anything wrong with her reports all in all, but according to Corbynistas that I know apparently, she's always biased against Corbyn....
I'm a Corbynista these days, I suppose....
Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast....
Is this stuff really cutting through? It ought to, but it's amazing how many people I speak to are indifferent or have the attitude that 'it was 20 years ago', as if Corbyn's past behaviour and words indicate nothing about how safe he'd keep the country today.
I can forgive youngsters for not really grasping the lunacy of letting Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott near the levers of power. I was young and naïve once (now I am just naïve) & Jezza does have a sort of noble, rebellious quality to him if you don't scratch the surface.
The oldies who would let these nutcases in No 10 out of partisan hate for the Tories should be ashamed of themselves though
Didn't you claim after the Labour manifesto came out that you were a "floating voter"?
Did I? Maybe I did, I kind of am
Nice use of "claim" by the way, I am obviously lying!
Am I missing something? The bit in red is the truth.
"... the peace we have now is due to the action of the IRA"
3,000+ dead people where also due to the action of the IRA. I do not see McDonnell shouting about that.
If the British Government was less intransigent and really cared for a settlement, a lot of those lives could have been saved. Very easy to paint this in black and white, between good and evil etc - we all know it's more complex than that.
Oh I see... because they could not get what they wanted, killing 3,000 people over 30 years - many of them from their own "side" - was fully justified?
Lib dems putting in the effort in st Albans. Home to 3 different leaflets including fake newspaper with dodgy bar graph:) Hard to judge but wouldn't be surprised if they won, is becoming more like a suburb of Islington by the year.
Is this stuff really cutting through? It ought to, but it's amazing how many people I speak to are indifferent or have the attitude that 'it was 20 years ago', as if Corbyn's past behaviour and words indicate nothing about how safe he'd keep the country today.
I can forgive youngsters for not really grasping the lunacy of letting Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott near the levers of power. I was young and naïve once (now I am just naïve) & Jezza does have a sort of noble, rebellious quality to him if you don't scratch the surface.
The oldies who would let these nutcases in No 10 out of partisan hate for the Tories should be ashamed of themselves though
Didn't you claim after the Labour manifesto came out that you were a "floating voter"?
Did I? Maybe I did, I kind of am
Nice use of "claim" by the way, I am obviously lying!
Well, I used "claim" because the tone of your recent posts don't really point to you being a floating voter!
I think we can confidently expect to see some sort of land value tax in the 2022 Conservative manifesto?
As a big supporter of the Land Value Tax,* I would love that, But I think it is highly unlikely to become Tory policy, Teresa May is pushing the party as fast as she can away form classical liberalism, and economic sense. while a big chunk of the Parys supporters should stand to lose out.
I won't go in to a big essay hear, but Denmark has a LVT and is IMO one of the reasons why that country has both high tax revenue and thriving free market economy.
*Technically, all tax is steeling, so I don't so much support it as see it as by far the lest bad option, so may be support is the wrong word?
Who decides the value?
That is a good question and one of the reasons that for a long time I was sceptical. But now that I have seen that it has been implemented in Denmark, and Estonia, and the US city of Pittsburgh, I think it is not an insurmountable problem.
The value should be what the free market would value it as if it was on sale, (and undeveloped) so it has to be with reference to property that has been sold in the area recently. nowadays there are computer algorithms used by estate agents to estimate values, So I would suggest doing something similar.
The Tories were marooned in the low 30s between 1997 and 2007. I'm not sure whether it would have been better for them to have gone sub-30% in 1997 if that might have led to faster changes.
Are there any Tories who think it would be good if the party went into opposition? After all, if you really think Labour under Jeremy Corbyn are all pie in the sky there's no reason to cack yourselves. Tax havens will function as before, and so will private schools. Theresa May, second-class degree girl that she is, is all piss and feathers and if the movers and shakers thought otherwise she wouldn't have been kept in the Home Office for six years schlepping to prisons and police stations. Brexit will be left in the hands of the senior civil service and the City whichever pair of pillocks are at Numbers 10 and 11. Theresa May won't be allowed anywhere near it, any more than Corbyn will. So who cares? Raise inheritance tax? It's all pie in the sky. Can't happen. Right?
Here's the plan:
* hand the election to Corbyn * let him play Wilson 1974-76 * hoik him out of office at the right time, using MI5 * replace him without a general election with, say, Diane Abbott * let Brexit f*ck up (Everyone knows it's going to anyway, but blame Labour! As the country collapses, there will be rich pickings for those who know how to grasp opportunities. Never let a crisis go to waste!) * tell someone like Nicky Morgan or Stephen Crabb they're the new Thatcher and install them as leader * weh-hey! Kill kill kill! God save the queen! (Or maybe king.) Party like it's 1979-97!
Am I missing something? The bit in red is the truth.
"... the peace we have now is due to the action of the IRA"
3,000+ dead people where also due to the action of the IRA. I do not see McDonnell shouting about that.
If the British Government was less intransigent and really cared for a settlement, a lot of those lives could have been saved. Very easy to paint this in black and white, between good and evil etc - we all know it's more complex than that.
That settlement being ceding Northern Ireland? Yeah, that'd have gone down well with the loyalist side.
There had to be compromises made on both sides. That's what led to the Good Friday Agreement.
She didn't mean it, clearly. Everyone who votes Tory is apparently voting explicitly for a slightly lower standard of living in return for more sovereignty and lower immigration.
The Baby Boomers are voting themselves one last blast of privilege and champagne whilst handing the bill to those following them
Cheers!
Joking apart....the young really do need to start voting.....
Lib dems putting in the effort in st Albans. Home to 3 different leaflets including fake newspaper with dodgy bar graph:) Hard to judge but wouldn't be surprised if they won, is becoming more like a suburb of Islington by the year.
62% Remain vote in St Albans, a demographic which skews quite young.
The Tory vote might drop a fair bit there, although I'd imagine opposition will be too split between the LDs and Labour (who after all came 2nd there last time) for the Tories to be seriously threatened with defeat there.
Is this stuff really cutting through? It ought to, but it's amazing how many people I speak to are indifferent or have the attitude that 'it was 20 years ago', as if Corbyn's past behaviour and words indicate nothing about how safe he'd keep the country today.
I can forgive youngsters for not really grasping the lunacy of letting Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott near the levers of power. I was young and naïve once (now I am just naïve) & Jezza does have a sort of noble, rebellious quality to him if you don't scratch the surface.
The oldies who would let these nutcases in No 10 out of partisan hate for the Tories should be ashamed of themselves though
Didn't you claim after the Labour manifesto came out that you were a "floating voter"?
Did I? Maybe I did, I kind of am
Nice use of "claim" by the way, I am obviously lying!
Well, I used "claim" because the tone of your recent posts don't really point to you being a floating voter!
I have voted Labour, UKIP and Conservative this decade and am not sure I will bother at all this time... I live in a v safe Tory seat anyway. Its not for me to define myself really, but I am definitely not wedded to a particular party, so floating voter is not that wide of the mark
Is this stuff really cutting through? It ought to, but it's amazing how many people I speak to are indifferent or have the attitude that 'it was 20 years ago', as if Corbyn's past behaviour and words indicate nothing about how safe he'd keep the country today.
I can forgive youngsters for not really grasping the lunacy of letting Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott near the levers of power. I was young and naïve once (now I am just naïve) & Jezza does have a sort of noble, rebellious quality to him if you don't scratch the surface.
The oldies who would let these nutcases in No 10 out of partisan hate for the Tories should be ashamed of themselves though
Didn't you claim after the Labour manifesto came out that you were a "floating voter"?
LOL. Mr Isam sadly is a bit of a joke on here. Treat his comments with the disdain they deserve.
The Tories were marooned in the low 30s between 1997 and 2007. I'm not sure whether it would have been better for them to have gone sub-30% in 1997 if that might have led to faster changes.
Are there any Tories who think it would be good if the party went into opposition? After all, if you really think Labour under Jeremy Corbyn are all pie in the sky there's no reason to cack yourselves.
There's a lot that is wrong with your plan here, but just for starters, there's every reason to think if Corbyn's plans are pie in the sky, he would cause a great deal of mess trying to implement them.
Bit of a disconnect. Council tax is a land value tax. All this is is a big rise in Council Tax.
No it's not council tax is a land occupation tax as it's paid by the occupier not the owner.
Eh ?
In my case that's the same person. But surely Labour should tax the OWNERS - this stinks to high heaven if it is on the occupiers ! More taxes for generation rent - is this right ?
If it's a proper Land Value Tax it should be on the owners, not the occupiers, because it's a tax on the potential fully exploited value of the land. ie you would pay the same tax on an undeveloped piece of land as on one with houses built on it, assuming the first has planning permission. The benefit claimed for LVT is that unlike other taxes its incentives are beneficial, not perverse. By contrast income tax discourages employment; rates discourage development.
How do you stop landlords passing it on to their tenants through increased rent?
It causes more owners of land with planning allocation or consent to build out, increasing the supply of housing, and meaning if landlords try and pass an excessive proportion of the tax on to tenants, the tenants can choose instead to rent from a landlord who doesn't, basically.
The 'cost recovery' theory of the rental market doesn't hold up. It requires that, at the moment, landlords are keeping prices lower than the market could bear because they don't think it would be 'fair on tenants' to maximise their profits.
Does that really sound likely? How many landlords have "passed on" the reduction in interest rates to their tenants over the last decade?
We could have a tax that targeted undeveloped land, if that was the point. I'd be in favour.
The owner/occupier distinction largely breaks down. No freeholder of a block of flats is going to be paying as against a nominal ground rent I assume!
Lib dems putting in the effort in st Albans. Home to 3 different leaflets including fake newspaper with dodgy bar graph:) Hard to judge but wouldn't be surprised if they won, is becoming more like a suburb of Islington by the year.
If the national polls are right, and the Lib Dems are piling up votes around the M25, then Clegg, Mulholland, Williams, Lamb and even Farron are in big trouble. Of course they may make a gain or two like St Albans to compensate.
I think we can confidently expect to see some sort of land value tax in the 2022 Conservative manifesto?
As a big supporter of the Land Value Tax,* I would love that, But I think it is highly unlikely to become Tory policy, Teresa May is pushing the party as fast as she can away form classical liberalism, and economic sense. while a big chunk of the Parys supporters should stand to lose out.
I won't go in to a big essay hear, but Denmark has a LVT and is IMO one of the reasons why that country has both high tax revenue and thriving free market economy.
*Technically, all tax is steeling, so I don't so much support it as see it as by far the lest bad option, so may be support is the wrong word?
Who decides the value?
That is a good question and one of the reasons that for a long time I was sceptical. But now that I have seen that it has been implemented in Denmark, and Estonia, and the US city of Pittsburgh, I think it is not an insurmountable problem.
The value should be what the free market would value it as if it was on sale, (and undeveloped) so it has to be with reference to property that has been sold in the area recently. nowadays there are computer algorithms used by estate agents to estimate values, So I would suggest doing something similar.
I agree. Can't be that hard to produce a decent valuation methodology. The tax is going to be a very small % of value anyway. So being out by £5k valuing a house might be as small a difference as £50 a year?
The Tories were marooned in the low 30s between 1997 and 2007. I'm not sure whether it would have been better for them to have gone sub-30% in 1997 if that might have led to faster changes.
Are there any Tories who think it would be good if the party went into opposition? After all, if you really think Labour under Jeremy Corbyn are all pie in the sky there's no reason to cack yourselves. Tax havens will function as before, and so will private schools. Theresa May, second-class degree girl that she is, is all piss and feathers and if the movers and shakers thought otherwise she wouldn't have been kept in the Home Office for six years schlepping to prisons and police stations. Brexit will be left in the hands of the senior civil service and the City whichever pair of pillocks are at Numbers 10 and 11. Theresa May won't be allowed anywhere near it, any more than Corbyn will. So who cares? Raise inheritance tax? It's all pie in the sky. Can't happen. Right?
Here's the plan:
* hand the election to Corbyn * let him play Wilson 1974-76 * hoik him out of office at the right time, using MI5 * replace him without a general election with, say, Diane Abbott * let Brexit f*ck up (Everyone knows it's going to anyway, but blame Labour! As the country collapses, there will be rich pickings for those who know how to grasp opportunities. Never let a crisis go to waste!) * tell someone like Nicky Morgan or Stephen Crabb they're the new Thatcher and install them as leader * weh-hey! Kill kill kill! God save the queen! (Or maybe king.) Party like it's 1979-97!
Funnily enough I am just watching the very fine Jesse Eisenberg as Lex Luthor in Superman vs Batman. At one point Lois Lane tells him he is psychotic and I have to say that is also a description which seems to fit you very well.
Lib dems putting in the effort in st Albans. Home to 3 different leaflets including fake newspaper with dodgy bar graph:) Hard to judge but wouldn't be surprised if they won, is becoming more like a suburb of Islington by the year.
It's where Farron kicked off the LibDems campaign.
The LibDems got encouragement at the locals, but given there has been maybe a 4% swing to the Tories nationally since 2015, it is going to take some serious special pleading to get that one in the Yellow column.
The Tories were marooned in the low 30s between 1997 and 2007. I'm not sure whether it would have been better for them to have gone sub-30% in 1997 if that might have led to faster changes.
Are there any Tories who think it would be good if the party went into opposition? After all, if you really think Labour under Jeremy Corbyn are all pie in the sky there's no reason to cack yourselves.
There's a lot that is wrong with your plan here, but just for starters, there's every reason to think if Corbyn's plans are pie in the sky, he would cause a great deal of mess trying to implement them.
And reverse them when they got back in. The re-nationalization for example.
Am I missing something? The bit in red is the truth.
"... the peace we have now is due to the action of the IRA"
3,000+ dead people where also due to the action of the IRA. I do not see McDonnell shouting about that.
If the British Government was less intransigent and really cared for a settlement, a lot of those lives could have been saved. Very easy to paint this in black and white, between good and evil etc - we all know it's more complex than that.
Absolute rubbish. The British Governments, both Tory and Labour, tried the approach of secret negotiations with the Republicans in the early and mid-1970s. That achieved nothing but a rising death tolll. Then in 1976 Labour's Roy Mason, one of the true heroes of the Troubles, was appointed Northern Ireland Secretary. He completely reversed the policy, and embarked on a tough-minded new strategy of treating the the IRA as hardened criminals instead of political warriors, a policy known as "normalisation." He was fiercely opposed by the British left, but his strategy worked in the long-term. Ultimately, the IRA were beaten by the security forces. Their entire organisation was riddled with British informers. Their casualties were unsustainable. That is why they surrendered, though they dressed up their capitulation in rhetoric about the peace process.. And it was also why Corbyn is such a foul hypocrite on Northern Ireland. He now pretends that he wanted peace, but he vociferously opposed the very thing that brought peace to my homeland: the defeat of the IRA.
In my case that's the same person. But surely Labour should tax the OWNERS - this stinks to high heaven if it is on the occupiers ! More taxes for generation rent - is this right ?
If it's a proper Land Value Tax it should be on the owners, not the occupiers, because it's a tax on the potential fully exploited value of the land. ie you would pay the same tax on an undeveloped piece of land as on one with houses built on it, assuming the first has planning permission. The benefit claimed for LVT is that unlike other taxes its incentives are beneficial, not perverse. By contrast income tax discourages employment; rates discourage development.
How do you stop landlords passing it on to their tenants through increased rent?
It causes more owners of land with planning allocation or consent to build out, increasing the supply of housing, and meaning if landlords try and pass an excessive proportion of the tax on to tenants, the tenants can choose instead to rent from a landlord who doesn't, basically.
The 'cost recovery' theory of the rental market doesn't hold up. It requires that, at the moment, landlords are keeping prices lower than the market could bear because they don't think it would be 'fair on tenants' to maximise their profits.
Does that really sound likely? How many landlords have "passed on" the reduction in interest rates to their tenants over the last decade?
We could have a tax that targeted undeveloped land, if that was the point. I'd be in favour.
The owner/occupier distinction largely breaks down. No freeholder of a block of flats is going to be paying as against a nominal ground rent I assume!
Yeah it has to target developable but undeveloped land. Freeholder vs leaseholder as opposed to landlord vs tenant is clearly one of the quirks which would have to be worked out.
I think there's potentially a quick fix - if you have planning permission but haven't started building work within 12 months or completed within 30 months you pay the council tax that would be due on the development when occupied. If you have your land zoned within the area's local plan and therefore in its 'five year land supply' then after five years without a planning application you pay business rates on the commercial value of the land. Private homes are a second order problem, we already have a tax system for them which is clumsy and unpopular but apparently less so than all the alternatives, including revaluation.
Is this stuff really cutting through? It ought to, but it's amazing how many people I speak to are indifferent or have the attitude that 'it was 20 years ago', as if Corbyn's past behaviour and words indicate nothing about how safe he'd keep the country today.
I can forgive youngsters for not really grasping the lunacy of letting Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott near the levers of power. I was young and naïve once (now I am just naïve) & Jezza does have a sort of noble, rebellious quality to him if you don't scratch the surface.
The oldies who would let these nutcases in No 10 out of partisan hate for the Tories should be ashamed of themselves though
Didn't you claim after the Labour manifesto came out that you were a "floating voter"?
LOL. Mr Isam sadly is a bit of a joke on here. Treat his comments with the disdain they deserve.
Damn! There was me thinking I was the PB baby in my late 20s...
Scary to think I got addicted to this site 10 years ago...
You're not the PB Baby. I'm in my early 20s.
Same. Well, 24. I guess that's mid-20s.
And you vote a Tory?
I voted Tory aged 18 in the 1997 general election.
So did I. Although from memory i think i was voting to limit the size of Blair's majority. I don't actually think i've ever voted for the winner in a General Election despite always being in a potentially marginal seat! So something of a reverse weather vane...
She didn't mean it, clearly. Everyone who votes Tory is apparently voting explicitly for a slightly lower standard of living in return for more sovereignty and lower immigration.
The Baby Boomers are voting themselves one last blast of privilege and champagne whilst handing the bill to those following them
Cheers!
Joking apart....the young really do need to start voting.....
They need to regain the propensity to vote they had 40 years ago (see table from earlier today).
She didn't mean it, clearly. Everyone who votes Tory is apparently voting explicitly for a slightly lower standard of living in return for more sovereignty and lower immigration.
The Baby Boomers are voting themselves one last blast of privilege and champagne whilst handing the bill to those following them
Am I missing something? The bit in red is the truth.
"... the peace we have now is due to the action of the IRA"
3,000+ dead people where also due to the action of the IRA. I do not see McDonnell shouting about that.
If the British Government was less intransigent and really cared for a settlement, a lot of those lives could have been saved. Very easy to paint this in black and white, between good and evil etc - we all know it's more complex than that.
Oh I see... because they could not get what they wanted, killing 3,000 people over 30 years - many of them from their own "side" - was fully justified?
You need to remove the blinkers my dear. It's far more complex. I am not saying that the IRA were angels - but they we're fighting for a better future for their people. Why do you think SF pile up votes in elections? If the IRA were truly evil, would they?
Leader of the Welsh Tories Andrew RT Davies is said to be on holiday -who the hell goes on holiday the week before an election? Thats it Labour will win Wales
I'm not sure Andrew RT Davies being away is necessarily bad news for the Tories in Wales. He's a bit of an acquired taste in my view.
Am I missing something? The bit in red is the truth.
"... the peace we have now is due to the action of the IRA"
3,000+ dead people where also due to the action of the IRA. I do not see McDonnell shouting about that.
If the British Government was less intransigent and really cared for a settlement, a lot of those lives could have been saved. Very easy to paint this in black and white, between good and evil etc - we all know it's more complex than that.
Oh I see... because they could not get what they wanted, killing 3,000 people over 30 years - many of them from their own "side" - was fully justified?
You need to remove the blinkers my dear. It's far more complex. I am not saying that the IRA were angels - but they we're fighting for a better future for their people. Why do you think SF pile up votes in elections? If the IRA were truly evil, would they?
Am I missing something? The bit in red is the truth.
"... the peace we have now is due to the action of the IRA"
3,000+ dead people where also due to the action of the IRA. I do not see McDonnell shouting about that.
If the British Government was less intransigent and really cared for a settlement, a lot of those lives could have been saved. Very easy to paint this in black and white, between good and evil etc - we all know it's more complex than that.
Absolute rubbish. The British Governments, both Tory and Labour, tried the approach of secret negotiations with the Republicans in the early and mid-1970s. That achieved nothing but a rising death tolll. Then in 1976 Labour's Roy Mason, one of the true heroes of the Troubles, was appointed Northern Ireland Secretary. He completely reversed the policy, and embarked on a tough-minded new strategy of treating the the IRA as hardened criminals instead of political warriors, a policy known as "normalisation." He was fiercely opposed by the British left, but his strategy worked in the long-term. Ultimately, the IRA were beaten by the security forces. Their entire organisation was riddled with British informers. Their casualties were unsustainable. That is why they surrendered, though they dressed up their capitulation in rhetoric about the peace process.. And it was also why Corbyn is such a foul hypocrite on Northern Ireland. He now pretends that he wanted peace, but he vociferously opposed the very thing that brought peace to my homeland: the defeat of the IRA.
That's one view of the history. Does beg the question why if the 1976 strategy was so effective it took over 20 years to get a lasting ceasefire?
Another would be that internment without trial was utterly counter productive and greatly helped the IRA radicalise republicans.
A few days ago TykeJohnno said: "eastern european immigration which is unskilled and poor and coming here not for a job then it can f--- right off.(Example the inner city I live)"
Which countires have actually implemented this, and how many people have they actually rounded up and deported after 3 months. Very few I would bet actually get deported I would guess. It's just not realistic. Best to not let them come here in the first place.
Am I missing something? The bit in red is the truth.
"... the peace we have now is due to the action of the IRA"
3,000+ dead people where also due to the action of the IRA. I do not see McDonnell shouting about that.
Brighton Bombing almost killed Thatcher, the IRA mortared Downing St, both were attempts at regime change. Add on the loss of lives in Belfast, Londonderry, Canary Wharf, Warrington and it is possible to understand why Corbyn and McDonnell are not trusted by their contemporaries. They both beneath contempt.
One sided bollocks! Probably resonates with a simpleton like you!
I think we can confidently expect to see some sort of land value tax in the 2022 Conservative manifesto?
As a big supporter of the Land Value Tax,* I would love that, But I think it is highly unlikely to become Tory policy, Teresa May is pushing the party as fast as she can away form classical liberalism, and economic sense. while a big chunk of the Parys supporters should stand to lose out.
I won't go in to a big essay hear, but Denmark has a LVT and is IMO one of the reasons why that country has both high tax revenue and thriving free market economy.
*Technically, all tax is steeling, so I don't so much support it as see it as by far the lest bad option, so may be support is the wrong word?
Who decides the value?
That is a good question and one of the reasons that for a long time I was sceptical. But now that I have seen that it has been implemented in Denmark, and Estonia, and the US city of Pittsburgh, I think it is not an insurmountable problem.
The value should be what the free market would value it as if it was on sale, (and undeveloped) so it has to be with reference to property that has been sold in the area recently. nowadays there are computer algorithms used by estate agents to estimate values, So I would suggest doing something similar.
Would it be in addition to, or instead of business rates ?
Evening all shouldn't May now take part in the debate tomorrow? I can kind of understand her reluctance when she was riding high in the polls. Now she has to take that risk.
Is this stuff really cutting through? It ought to, but it's amazing how many people I speak to are indifferent or have the attitude that 'it was 20 years ago', as if Corbyn's past behaviour and words indicate nothing about how safe he'd keep the country today.
It's cutting through with the people it is targeted at, which is why there's been so little movement in the projected conservative vote share. It was around 44% before the election was called, it's around 43% now.
Most of the conservative political advertising is about giving people the excuses they need to to vote the way they've already decided to vote.
WillS
I'm assuming they have completely replaced bilboard ads as I've seen none this election.
Barely any boards of any type around Brexitshire. Mind you not surprising considering Labour's current leaders and the historical anti-Toryness of this area.
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Most of the conservative political advertising is about giving people the excuses they need to to vote the way they've already decided to vote.
WillS
Given the problems piling up in the near future it is clear that a bundle of cash will be needed to sort them out. Guess where they will get the money from?
Clue yes I was.
Have I ever wavered from the prediction TMICIPM
No.
Trouble is, McMao has made troubling comments as recently as 2013, which is far harder to dismiss.
The oncoming shambles will take decades to sort out and it will blight a lot of lives.
@murali_s LOL. It must be hard to be a young Conservative.
Personally I don't find her bias. I do think she is a bit 'anti-politician' though. She often seems to want to parse what politicians say and set herself up as this knowing neutral arbiter.
I quite like Liz Kendall - found it really refreshing when she was asked on TV if she was going to run and then gave a straight answer - yes! She also was brave enough to do an interview with Owen Jones. If Corbyn hadn't stood I think she might have won as the change candidate.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2017/05/no-theresa-may-no-brexit-deal-whole-lot-worse-bad-brexit-deal
Joking apart....the young really do need to start voting.....
Have you just read the article on CapX? https://capx.co/land-value-tax-is-a-great-idea-but-itll-never-happen/
If anybody is interested there is a good summary on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_value_tax
I won't go in to a big essay hear, but Denmark has a LVT and is IMO one of the reasons why that country has both high tax revenue and thriving free market economy.
*Technically, all tax is steeling, so I don't so much support it as see it as by far the lest bad option, so may be support is the wrong word?
But I do think Laura K is a bit biased - I remember a tweet she put out summarising how she saw May's and Corbyn's pitch which was distinctly helpful to May. In general I don't think reporters ought to be expressing their opinions of different platforms - just telling us what's happening and asking pointed questions would be fine. I'm not a fan of Andrew Neil, but I think he did a good job on both leaders last week, whereas Paxman's hectoring style was always annoying and hasn't aged well.
And Jeremy Corbyn's role in them stopping? Did the IRA give up the fight after Corbyn withdrew succour?
I'm hopeful we'll get at least three polls tomorrow.
Kantar-TNS, Panelbase, and YouGov
1. Love your neighbour.
2. The EU's rules are quite clear. Freedom of movement does not mean freedom of scrounging. If the UK has been tolerating scrounging, it's because of our failure to implement the rules. Don't blame the people.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/08/eu-rules-already-offer-a-solution-on-freedom-of-movement
The oldies who would let these nutcases in No 10 out of partisan hate for the Tories should be ashamed of themselves though
3,000+ dead people where also due to the action of the IRA. I do not see McDonnell shouting about that.
Oxford Economics finds economy would grow 1% faster under Labour plans and 1.9% faster under Lib Dems?
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/may/28/far-from-strong-and-stable-mays-economic-plan-is-weak-and-unstable
I can't comment on that Laura K tweet as I didn't see it.
I agree with you on Andrew Neil - he's the best political interviewer on TV. I also agree with you on Paxman, he was bloody awful yesterday. He got universally bad reviews across pundits of all stripes on Twitter yesterday as well. Even Dan Hodges was pretty critical of him.
I actually think part of it is the medium. There are politicians and celebrities saying stuff on there they would never normally say in public or sometimes even in private.
The 'cost recovery' theory of the rental market doesn't hold up. It requires that, at the moment, landlords are keeping prices lower than the market could bear because they don't think it would be 'fair on tenants' to maximise their profits.
Does that really sound likely? How many landlords have "passed on" the reduction in interest rates to their tenants over the last decade?
Nice use of "claim" by the way, I am obviously lying!
Hard to judge but wouldn't be surprised if they won, is becoming more like a suburb of Islington by the year.
The value should be what the free market would value it as if it was on sale, (and undeveloped) so it has to be with reference to property that has been sold in the area recently. nowadays there are computer algorithms used by estate agents to estimate values, So I would suggest doing something similar.
Here's the plan:
* hand the election to Corbyn
* let him play Wilson 1974-76
* hoik him out of office at the right time, using MI5
* replace him without a general election with, say, Diane Abbott
* let Brexit f*ck up
(Everyone knows it's going to anyway, but blame Labour! As the country collapses, there will be rich pickings for those who know how to grasp opportunities. Never let a crisis go to waste!)
* tell someone like Nicky Morgan or Stephen Crabb they're the new Thatcher and install them as leader
* weh-hey! Kill kill kill! God save the queen! (Or maybe king.) Party like it's 1979-97!
The Tory vote might drop a fair bit there, although I'd imagine opposition will be too split between the LDs and Labour (who after all came 2nd there last time) for the Tories to be seriously threatened with defeat there.
The owner/occupier distinction largely breaks down. No freeholder of a block of flats is going to be paying as against a nominal ground rent I assume!
There is a paradoxical racism in his view that terrorists are only responsive to Western intervention.
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The tax is going to be a very small % of value anyway. So being out by £5k valuing a house might be as small a difference as £50 a year?
The LibDems got encouragement at the locals, but given there has been maybe a 4% swing to the Tories nationally since 2015, it is going to take some serious special pleading to get that one in the Yellow column.
I think there's potentially a quick fix - if you have planning permission but haven't started building work within 12 months or completed within 30 months you pay the council tax that would be due on the development when occupied. If you have your land zoned within the area's local plan and therefore in its 'five year land supply' then after five years without a planning application you pay business rates on the commercial value of the land. Private homes are a second order problem, we already have a tax system for them which is clumsy and unpopular but apparently less so than all the alternatives, including revaluation.
Another would be that internment without trial was utterly counter productive and greatly helped the IRA radicalise republicans.