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    The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    edited May 2017
    Pulpstar said:

    Didn't Hillary also have a firewall.

    That turned out to be as brilliant a defence as The Maginot Line.

    Hillary won the popular vote in a way that wasn't far off what the polling was showing, but hugely mismanaged her campaign in the marginal seats.

    Theresa May may be taking some of her base for granted, but she is campaigning where she needs to in order to maximise her seat tally. The biggest criticism that could be levelled is that it's too optimistic.

    I'll be looking very carefully at where she goes in the last 72 hours.
    If it is a tepid majority then she's going to get in the neck for targeting places like, inter alia, Bolsover, Leeds East, and Perth and North Perthshire
    Leeds East is the only "DEFINITELY NOT" from those above.
    Just because they call them targets does not mean they are treating them as "targets". Political parties targeting seats use call centres, mailshots, canvassing and maybe even social networking to target voters. There is a finite amount of money/time that can be spent in an election which means places that are called targets for media purposes exaggerate the position. In other words your fed a load of nonsense. I have my suspicions of where the targets are in this election for the Tories and I doubt Bolsover is one of them or Leeds East, sure the Conservatives would love to win those seats but would they want to neglect the city of Chester for Bolsover? I think not. The other point I would make is the visit by leading politicians to a constituency probably makes little impact on propensity to vote for a political party - quite often it is a case of preaching to the converted!
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,900

    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:
    I'm no fan of may, she's pretry crap, but Osbornes pieces show he has an active hate for her.
    I can understand how Ozzy feels: Theresa didn't just sack him, she publicly humiliated him and trashed his reputation. Now Theresa's followers are expecting him to cheer lead. Why would he be minded to do that?
    Not cheer lead certainly - its the bridge burning which is spectacular - a 'critical friend' would be in a position to return to politics - he's been far from that....
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,139
    Danny565 said:

    I'm starting to doubt my prediction of a Tory majority of only 50, with only 18 Tory gains from Labour :(

    Stay the course.
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    JasonJason Posts: 1,614
    There's been a dearth of polling this campaign, especially regional and marginal. Is this an admission from the polling companies that their craft is nothing much more than an educated guess, and they're all worried that their reputations might take a further bashing?

    Or is just not financially viable for them to run daily trackers and marginal polling?
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    rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,936

    rkrkrk said:

    Didn't Hillary also have a firewall.

    That turned out to be as brilliant a defence as The Maginot Line.

    I think TM's firewall of elderly voters is a lot stronger than Hilary's firewall of rust-belt states.

    But just in case it isn't - had a chance to consider my bet proposition?
    I've asked my mate for the data on Venezuela before I consider the bet.
    Haha - it's fine if you don't want to.
    I was offering Corbyn as PM vs. May/Cameron on GDP growth.

    UK GDP/capita would have to fall by something like 70% to get to Venezuela levels!
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820

    Osborne is no longer an active politician, but of course he's a super-astute commentator on UK politics. His editorials are absolutely top-notch. He's not pulling his punches, but he's not being unfair to Theresa May either; he's doing his job, and his job description no longer includes campaigning for the Tories.

    He should, however, try to appear less bitter that he was sacked - which is what he is risking at the moment.
    I doubt very much that he's bitter at being sacked; he knows the score, and he'll understand that the politics were such that she was likely to sack him. But Mrs May went out of her way to insult him, which was vindictive, ungrateful and foolish. He certainly won't feel that he owes her any favours.
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    OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    Jason said:

    There's been a dearth of polling this campaign, especially regional and marginal. Is this an admission from the polling companies that their craft is nothing much more than an educated guess, and they're all worried that their reputations might take a further bashing?

    Or is just not financially viable for them to run daily trackers and marginal polling?

    No-one willing to pay for it, which is a combination of the two.
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    camelcamel Posts: 815
    Pulpstar said:

    Didn't Hillary also have a firewall.

    That turned out to be as brilliant a defence as The Maginot Line.

    Hillary won the popular vote in a way that wasn't far off what the polling was showing, but hugely mismanaged her campaign in the marginal seats.

    Theresa May may be taking some of her base for granted, but she is campaigning where she needs to in order to maximise her seat tally. The biggest criticism that could be levelled is that it's too optimistic.

    I'll be looking very carefully at where she goes in the last 72 hours.
    If it is a tepid majority then she's going to get in the neck for targeting places like, inter alia, Bolsover, Leeds East, and Perth and North Perthshire
    Leeds East is the only "DEFINITELY NOT" from those above.
    Was she actively campaigning in Leeds East? Seems unlikely for nayone who has ever been to Leeds East. Or was it a generic Yorkshire event to get on the local news?

    There are a large number of adjoining Yorkshire constituencies in play - Bradord South, Halifax, Batley, Dewsbury, Wakefield, (Huddersfield - unlikely), Penistone, plus Morley and Outwood which I think is a possible Labour gain.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    SeanT said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    "Thanks. I'm finding it hard enough to sell my house at the moment as it is."


    To be brutally honest, your inability to sell your house might be one of those severe consequences of Brexit. Property is gonna take a hi

    Well he voted for it.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,869
    Scott_P said:

    Instead, the economic risks are all on the UK side. “British exports of goods and services would shrink very sharply,” say the CER authors. “The hit to exports and to the attractiveness of the UK as a place to invest would in all likelihood provoke a sharp fall in the value of sterling.” This would lead to a rise in inflation, the erosion of disposable incomes, a fall in consumption and a deep recession.

    Mrs May’s threat to walk away with no deal is the political equivalent of Britain shooting itself in the foot — or worse. The EU’s leaders know this and, as a negotiating tactic, it does not trouble them at all. What is far more worrying is that many Conservatives continue to view a descent into WTO rules as an attractive option. The more Mrs May utters her mantra that “no deal is better than a bad deal”, the more emboldened these Conservatives will feel. 


    https://www.ft.com/content/9a1109a0-452c-11e7-8d27-59b4dd6296b8

    It is simply untrue to say that *all* economic risks are on the British side, nor that in all likelihood that there would be a deep recession.

    But, then we see this is the CER being reported in the FT, and we pause.
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    marke09marke09 Posts: 926
    Podium positions (l-r)

    1. Tim Farron
    2. Labour
    3. Caroline Lucas
    4. Leanne Wood
    5. Amber Rudd
    6. Paul Nuttall
    7. Angus Robertson
    Opening statements

    1. Leanne Wood
    2. Caroline Lucas
    3. Amber Rudd
    4. Labour
    5. Paul Nuttall
    6. Angus Robertson
    7. Tim Farron
    Closing statements

    1. Paul Nuttall
    2. Caroline Lucas
    3. Labour
    4. Angus Robertson
    5. Leanne Wood
    6. Tim Farron
    7. Amber Rudd

    This for tomorrow night
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    murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,047
    Scott_P said:
    They better not send Diane Abbott. In fact, keep her locked up for the next 2 weeks at least.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Not cheer lead certainly - its the bridge burning which is spectacular - a 'critical friend' would be in a position to return to politics - he's been far from that....

    If Brexit goes as badly as he said it might, he could return to much acclaim
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,139
    murali_s said:

    Scott_P said:
    They better not send Diane Abbott. In fact, keep her locked up for the next 2 weeks at least.
    Seems a bit harsh to do so well past polling day!
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,869

    Osborne is no longer an active politician, but of course he's a super-astute commentator on UK politics. His editorials are absolutely top-notch. He's not pulling his punches, but he's not being unfair to Theresa May either; he's doing his job, and his job description no longer includes campaigning for the Tories.

    Yes, but the trouble for him is that everyone knows his political ambitions have not finished, and every edition of the Evening Standard is now read from the point of view of: "what does George think today?"
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    JasonJason Posts: 1,614
    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:
    Good man. Puts focus entirely on may.
    If Corbyn does turn up, it'll put all the focus on him, trust me.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,139
    marke09 said:

    Podium positions (l-r)

    1. Tim Farron
    2. Labour
    3. Caroline Lucas
    4. Leanne Wood
    5. Amber Rudd
    6. Paul Nuttall
    7. Angus Robertson
    Opening statements

    1. Leanne Wood
    2. Caroline Lucas
    3. Amber Rudd
    4. Labour
    5. Paul Nuttall
    6. Angus Robertson
    7. Tim Farron
    Closing statements

    1. Paul Nuttall
    2. Caroline Lucas
    3. Labour
    4. Angus Robertson
    5. Leanne Wood
    6. Tim Farron
    7. Amber Rudd

    This for tomorrow night

    From limited experience, Robertson seems the most able of that lot.
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    RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 2,978
    Jason said:

    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:
    Good man. Puts focus entirely on may.
    If Corbyn does turn up, it'll put all the focus on him, trust me.
    Probably gives Farron a good opportunity to go at Corbyn too. Bit risky for lab..
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,869

    Osborne is no longer an active politician, but of course he's a super-astute commentator on UK politics. His editorials are absolutely top-notch. He's not pulling his punches, but he's not being unfair to Theresa May either; he's doing his job, and his job description no longer includes campaigning for the Tories.

    He should, however, try to appear less bitter that he was sacked - which is what he is risking at the moment.
    I doubt very much that he's bitter at being sacked; he knows the score, and he'll understand that the politics were such that she was likely to sack him. But Mrs May went out of her way to insult him, which was vindictive, ungrateful and foolish. He certainly won't feel that he owes her any favours.
    Both sides should act like grown-ups, but Osborne would do very well to rehabilitate his reputation by showing he's the bigger man and not rising to it.
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    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831
    Interesting article from ComRes

    http://www.comresglobal.com/who-will-vote-and-why/?
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    murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,047
    kle4 said:

    murali_s said:

    Scott_P said:
    They better not send Diane Abbott. In fact, keep her locked up for the next 2 weeks at least.
    Seems a bit harsh to do so well past polling day!
    I'm being kind. On second thoughts, let extend that to 5 years!
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,139
    Jason said:

    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:
    Good man. Puts focus entirely on may.
    If Corbyn does turn up, it'll put all the focus on him, trust me.
    He won't be facing forensic questioning, and the others will be attacking may ateast as much as him
    There's risk, to be sure, but also reward.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,869
    surbiton said:

    SeanT said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    "Thanks. I'm finding it hard enough to sell my house at the moment as it is."


    To be brutally honest, your inability to sell your house might be one of those severe consequences of Brexit. Property is gonna take a hi

    Well he voted for it.
    Yes, I did. And your attempts to personalise it are pathetic.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,900
    Scott_P said:

    Not cheer lead certainly - its the bridge burning which is spectacular - a 'critical friend' would be in a position to return to politics - he's been far from that....

    If Brexit goes as badly as he said it might, he could return to much acclaim
    In his late sixties after several Labour governments......
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,869
    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:
    Good man. Puts focus entirely on may.
    Cameron did this in GE2015.

    May should have gone.
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    JasonJason Posts: 1,614
    kle4 said:

    Jason said:

    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:
    Good man. Puts focus entirely on may.
    If Corbyn does turn up, it'll put all the focus on him, trust me.
    He won't be facing forensic questioning, and the others will be attacking may ateast as much as him
    There's risk, to be sure, but also reward.
    May won't be there in person, though. Remember when Miliband tried this at the last election? He took most of the flack, not the absent David Cameron.

    I don't see much up side here for Corbyn, especially after his car crash this morning. He isn't very good under any questioning from someone who knows their stuff and isn't feeding him softballs.
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    asher12asher12 Posts: 1
    Us 65+ people remember the 70's
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,054
    Least Angus Robertson is also there. So Amber Rudd won't look too out the ordinary.

    In fact a good portion of the viewers will probably think she IS the leader !
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    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831

    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:
    Good man. Puts focus entirely on may.
    Cameron did this in GE2015.

    May should have gone.
    We need to put an end to these 'debates' - they don't help further the political discussion in this country. I have never watched one and I never will. They are there for the media not the electorate.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,436
    edited May 2017
    Has this been done? If so I'm sorry that I missed any attempts to put a gloss on it.

    https://twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/869475152173596672
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820

    Osborne is no longer an active politician, but of course he's a super-astute commentator on UK politics. His editorials are absolutely top-notch. He's not pulling his punches, but he's not being unfair to Theresa May either; he's doing his job, and his job description no longer includes campaigning for the Tories.

    He should, however, try to appear less bitter that he was sacked - which is what he is risking at the moment.
    I doubt very much that he's bitter at being sacked; he knows the score, and he'll understand that the politics were such that she was likely to sack him. But Mrs May went out of her way to insult him, which was vindictive, ungrateful and foolish. He certainly won't feel that he owes her any favours.
    Both sides should act like grown-ups, but Osborne would do very well to rehabilitate his reputation by showing he's the bigger man and not rising to it.
    He is. As I said, his editorials are superb. Forget he was a politician, and just read them for what they are - editorials, not party-political pieces. Yes, he's asking tough questions, and pointing out flaws in the campaigns of both main parties, but that's his job now.
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    Clown_Car_HQClown_Car_HQ Posts: 169
    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:
    I'm no fan of may, she's pretry crap, but Osbornes pieces show he has an active hate for her.
    This must stem from more than just his sacking. He must have realised that it would have been impossible to stay after Cameron resigned. Surely any ambitions he had to become leader were torpedoed by Dave's morning-after resignation. Why is there no ire directed at him?

    On an earlier thread there was all manner of emoting about Dave. I really don't get this. He left his country and party in the lurch. In the leadership election that ensued May was the only plausible candidate left standing. At one point Nicki Morgan was considering a bid. Nicki Morgan FFS!
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,615

    surbiton said:

    SeanT said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    "Thanks. I'm finding it hard enough to sell my house at the moment as it is."


    To be brutally honest, your inability to sell your house might be one of those severe consequences of Brexit. Property is gonna take a hi

    Well he voted for it.
    Yes, I did. And your attempts to personalise it are pathetic.
    Why so? You voted for something which you accepted would have a price, and you deemed that price to be one worth paying.

    It is hardly pathetic to point out the concrete consequences of a decision you took.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,661
    kle4 said:

    murali_s said:

    Scott_P said:
    They better not send Diane Abbott. In fact, keep her locked up for the next 2 weeks at least.
    Seems a bit harsh to do so well past polling day!
    Please, please let them send Abbott.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,900
    Thanks:

    What does all this mean for the current campaign? Very simply, if voters behave in the way they broadly did in 2015, then the Conservatives remain on track for a 100-plus majority. This seems, on present assumptions, the most likely outcome. Older people appear more motivated than younger people to vote, most of UKIP’s 2015 vote is going to the Conservatives (and that Party is not even standing in around half of all constituencies), May beats Corbyn on most ‘best for’ measures, and Labour’s core vote lacks motivation.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,869

    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:
    Good man. Puts focus entirely on may.
    Cameron did this in GE2015.

    May should have gone.
    We need to put an end to these 'debates' - they don't help further the political discussion in this country. I have never watched one and I never will. They are there for the media not the electorate.
    The fear all stems from what happened to Cameron in GE2010, from which Nick Clegg was perceived to have benefited. Even since then, all major politicians have been terrified of them.

    But, those were the first proper ones (ever) and the novelty and allure has since worn off massively.

    I'm not convinced they matter very much anymore, unless a huge clanger is dropped, but, even so, I still want my elected politicians to be good at them, and to do them.
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    MattyNethMattyNeth Posts: 60
    If Corbyn turns up he'll be skewered by the others. Has to be Rayner. Someone who will come back with both barrels
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    El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 3,908
    I'm increasingly wondering whether Osborne has something big on May that he's just biding his time to unleash.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,869

    Osborne is no longer an active politician, but of course he's a super-astute commentator on UK politics. His editorials are absolutely top-notch. He's not pulling his punches, but he's not being unfair to Theresa May either; he's doing his job, and his job description no longer includes campaigning for the Tories.

    He should, however, try to appear less bitter that he was sacked - which is what he is risking at the moment.
    I doubt very much that he's bitter at being sacked; he knows the score, and he'll understand that the politics were such that she was likely to sack him. But Mrs May went out of her way to insult him, which was vindictive, ungrateful and foolish. He certainly won't feel that he owes her any favours.
    Both sides should act like grown-ups, but Osborne would do very well to rehabilitate his reputation by showing he's the bigger man and not rising to it.
    He is. As I said, his editorials are superb. Forget he was a politician, and just read them for what they are - editorials, not party-political pieces. Yes, he's asking tough questions, and pointing out flaws in the campaigns of both main parties, but that's his job now.
    I can't. Everything I read in there I read as "so, this is what George really thinks"

    It's impossible for me to read them as anything else.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited May 2017
    Latest Electoral Calculus forecast: Tory majority of 96, and 46% of the vote.

    http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/homepage.html
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    The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979

    Scott_P said:

    Not cheer lead certainly - its the bridge burning which is spectacular - a 'critical friend' would be in a position to return to politics - he's been far from that....

    If Brexit goes as badly as he said it might, he could return to much acclaim
    In his late sixties after several Labour governments......
    If Brexit goes badly, surely Osborne will be damaged goods because he was a leading part of the Government that held the vote which led to Brexit? If it was such a bad idea why did he endorse a manifesto that would lead to a referendum on British membership of the EU. Things will also have moved on and new potential leaders will be in place. Osborne is finished as a frontline politician. His editorials for a newspaper whose readership is in a Labour city in my opinion amount to very little.
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    isamisam Posts: 41,118

    Osborne is no longer an active politician, but of course he's a super-astute commentator on UK politics. His editorials are absolutely top-notch. He's not pulling his punches, but he's not being unfair to Theresa May either; he's doing his job, and his job description no longer includes campaigning for the Tories.

    He should, however, try to appear less bitter that he was sacked - which is what he is risking at the moment.
    I doubt very much that he's bitter at being sacked; he knows the score, and he'll understand that the politics were such that she was likely to sack him. But Mrs May went out of her way to insult him, which was vindictive, ungrateful and foolish. He certainly won't feel that he owes her any favours.
    Both sides should act like grown-ups, but Osborne would do very well to rehabilitate his reputation by showing he's the bigger man and not rising to it.
    He is. As I said, his editorials are superb. Forget he was a politician, and just read them for what they are - editorials, not party-political pieces. Yes, he's asking tough questions, and pointing out flaws in the campaigns of both main parties, but that's his job now.
    Why should people pretend he isn't ridiculing his own immigration pledge on the front page and in editorials?
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    GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,117
    edited May 2017
    AndyJS said:

    Latest Electoral Calculus forecast: Tory majority of 96, and 46% of the vote.

    http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/homepage.html

    Still has CON gain Bishop Auckland. Is this realistic?
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    JasonJason Posts: 1,614
    MattyNeth said:

    If Corbyn turns up he'll be skewered by the others. Has to be Rayner. Someone who will come back with both barrels

    Risky. Very risky. Keith Lemon in a wig.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited May 2017
    O/T

    "Rolf Harris: no retrial on sex abuse charges after jury fails to reach verdict

    Ex-entertainer walks free after prosecutors say they will not see second retrial over alleged indecent assault of three girls"

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/may/30/rolf-harris-sexual-abuse-jury-discharged-after-failing-to-reach-verdict
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    AndyJS said:

    Latest Electoral Calculus forecast: Tory majority of 96, and 46% of the vote.

    http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/homepage.html

    LibDem 3 !
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    midwintermidwinter Posts: 1,112

    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:
    I'm no fan of may, she's pretry crap, but Osbornes pieces show he has an active hate for her.
    This must stem from more than just his sacking. He must have realised that it would have been impossible to stay after Cameron resigned. Surely any ambitions he had to become leader were torpedoed by Dave's morning-after resignation. Why is there no ire directed at him?

    On an earlier thread there was all manner of emoting about Dave. I really don't get this. He left his country and party in the lurch. In the leadership election that ensued May was the only plausible candidate left standing. At one point Nicki Morgan was considering a bid. Nicki Morgan FFS!
    Look at Corbyn. Look at May. No wonder people wish Cameron was still around. Different level altogether. And honourable enough to resign after defeat.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,615
    MattyNeth said:

    If Corbyn turns up he'll be skewered by the others. Has to be Rayner. Someone who will come back with both barrels

    Nia Griffith should be rolled out more except I fear she is a red Tory, according to Jezza and his tribe.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,869
    TOPPING said:

    surbiton said:

    SeanT said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    "Thanks. I'm finding it hard enough to sell my house at the moment as it is."


    To be brutally honest, your inability to sell your house might be one of those severe consequences of Brexit. Property is gonna take a hi

    Well he voted for it.
    Yes, I did. And your attempts to personalise it are pathetic.
    Why so? You voted for something which you accepted would have a price, and you deemed that price to be one worth paying.

    It is hardly pathetic to point out the concrete consequences of a decision you took.
    It's only on this forum that absolutely everything in life is seen through the prism of Brexit. In the real world, people aren't like that.

    I've already explained the unique circumstances involved in our sale downthread, and the fact that other sales are progressing. But some people can't resist a personal dig.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,054
    Brilliant analysis of Sheffield Hallam by Electoral calculus.

    http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/pseph_winparadox.html

    IT'S TIGHT.
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    AndyJS said:

    Latest Electoral Calculus forecast: Tory majority of 96, and 46% of the vote.

    http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/homepage.html

    LibDem 3 !
    Those who put their faith in such things should note that there is a decent supply of money available for the Lib Dems to get under 10 seats at better than 2/1 on Betfair.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Pulpstar said:

    Brilliant analysis of Sheffield Hallam by Electoral calculus.

    http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/pseph_winparadox.html

    IT'S TIGHT.

    I think the Tories might come second in Hallam.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    TOPPING said:

    eek said:

    TOPPING said:

    SeanT said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    "Thanks. I'm finding it hard enough to sell my house at the moment as it is."


    To be brutally honest, your inability to sell your house might be one of those severe consequences of Brexit. Property is gonna take a hi

    PWP
    PWP???

    To be honest house prices are going to take a hit as I've been looking at moving for ages and everytime I do I just think not paying that for that.

    Likewise my parents looked at a 2 bed flat in South Bucks recently. Their reaction was we'll stick where we are and redo the bathrooms...
    The story of London property is looking at a 2-bed flat somewhere ghastly, refusing to pay the money being asked, and then, shortly afterwards berating yourself for not buying then and there as the area has "come up" and the flat is worth three times what it was selling for when you looked at it.
    Priced at, not worth
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    The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979

    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:
    I'm no fan of may, she's pretry crap, but Osbornes pieces show he has an active hate for her.
    This must stem from more than just his sacking. He must have realised that it would have been impossible to stay after Cameron resigned. Surely any ambitions he had to become leader were torpedoed by Dave's morning-after resignation. Why is there no ire directed at him?

    On an earlier thread there was all manner of emoting about Dave. I really don't get this. He left his country and party in the lurch. In the leadership election that ensued May was the only plausible candidate left standing. At one point Nicki Morgan was considering a bid. Nicki Morgan FFS!
    I agree with you on Cameron, he was very cowardly in leaving the country in the lurch as he did. It was his decision to hold the referendum last year and he said he would not quit even if he lost. He then just walked away, the man is a charlatan. He was also a shit PM and this comes from someone who supported him at the ballot box and volunteered for the Tories at election time in the past.
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    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831
    Jason said:

    MattyNeth said:

    If Corbyn turns up he'll be skewered by the others. Has to be Rayner. Someone who will come back with both barrels

    Risky. Very risky. Keith Lemon in a wig.
    Indeed - she is not that able. The same goes for Long-Bailey.

    If I were Labour, I would send McDonnell.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    AndyJS said:

    Latest Electoral Calculus forecast: Tory majority of 96, and 46% of the vote.

    http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/homepage.html

    Still has CON gain Bishop Auckland. Is this realistic?
    Definitely. The North East is likely to be one of the Tories' best regions. The swings in Northumberland at the local elections a few weeks ago were stupendous.
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    DadgeDadge Posts: 2,038


    It's only on this forum that absolutely everything in life is seen through the prism of Brexit.

    And through Theresa May's eyes.
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    FF43FF43 Posts: 15,897

    Scott_P said:

    Not cheer lead certainly - its the bridge burning which is spectacular - a 'critical friend' would be in a position to return to politics - he's been far from that....

    If Brexit goes as badly as he said it might, he could return to much acclaim
    In his late sixties after several Labour governments......
    If Brexit goes badly, surely Osborne will be damaged goods because he was a leading part of the Government that held the vote which led to Brexit? If it was such a bad idea why did he endorse a manifesto that would lead to a referendum on British membership of the EU. Things will also have moved on and new potential leaders will be in place. Osborne is finished as a frontline politician. His editorials for a newspaper whose readership is in a Labour city in my opinion amount to very little.
    Apparently George Osborne originally wanted to be a journalist. Maybe in his idle moments he dreams that a call will come through to be PM, but basically he has moved on.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,900

    Scott_P said:

    Not cheer lead certainly - its the bridge burning which is spectacular - a 'critical friend' would be in a position to return to politics - he's been far from that....

    If Brexit goes as badly as he said it might, he could return to much acclaim
    In his late sixties after several Labour governments......
    If Brexit goes badly, surely Osborne will be damaged goods because he was a leading part of the Government that held the vote which led to Brexit? If it was such a bad idea why did he endorse a manifesto that would lead to a referendum on British membership of the EU. Things will also have moved on and new potential leaders will be in place. Osborne is finished as a frontline politician. His editorials for a newspaper whose readership is in a Labour city in my opinion amount to very little.
    Brexit will be bumpy. The British public's propensity to 'blame foreigners' will buy the Tories some leeway, but if its the disaster the Remoaners would have us believe, then the Tories will be out of power for at least two terms, if not longer. Osborne would be in his sixties by the time the Tories had another go. Not going to happen.
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited May 2017
    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    Latest Electoral Calculus forecast: Tory majority of 96, and 46% of the vote.

    http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/homepage.html

    Still has CON gain Bishop Auckland. Is this realistic?
    Definitely. The North East is likely to be one of the Tories' best regions. The swings in Northumberland at the local elections a few weeks ago were stupendous.
    But the swings in Durham (including Bishop Auckland itself) were not.
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    dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Jezza going hard on the ethnic vote.
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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    TOPPING said:

    surbiton said:

    SeanT said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    "Thanks. I'm finding it hard enough to sell my house at the moment as it is."


    To be brutally honest, your inability to sell your house might be one of those severe consequences of Brexit. Property is gonna take a hi

    Well he voted for it.
    Yes, I did. And your attempts to personalise it are pathetic.
    Why so? You voted for something which you accepted would have a price, and you deemed that price to be one worth paying.

    It is hardly pathetic to point out the concrete consequences of a decision you took.
    It's only on this forum that absolutely everything in life is seen through the prism of Brexit. In the real world, people aren't like that.

    I've already explained the unique circumstances involved in our sale downthread, and the fact that other sales are progressing. But some people can't resist a personal dig.
    I will let you know what it is like when we stick the sign in the garden. It will be post-election though...
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    edited May 2017
    isam said:

    Why should people pretend he isn't ridiculing his own immigration pledge on the front page and in editorials?

    Well, I'm not sure it was 'his' immigration pledge - I rather suspect he opposed it - but, leaving that aside, of course it's reasonable to contrast what he's saying now (when he no longer is bound by collective responsibility or by the need to win elections) with his position as a politician.

    However, what do people want him to do - repeat the party line without hesitation or deviation? He wouldn't be a very good editor if he did, would he?
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    camelcamel Posts: 815
    Pulpstar said:

    Brilliant analysis of Sheffield Hallam by Electoral calculus.

    http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/pseph_winparadox.html

    IT'S TIGHT.

    I have Labour at 9/1. I like Clegg and hope he has a future in British politics, but value is value, no matter how dirty it feels.
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    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831

    Jezza going hard on the ethnic vote.

    What a deeply unpleasant way to run a campaign.
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    dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Jezza clamping down on stop and search and encouraging policing by consent.
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    JasonJason Posts: 1,614

    Jason said:

    MattyNeth said:

    If Corbyn turns up he'll be skewered by the others. Has to be Rayner. Someone who will come back with both barrels

    Risky. Very risky. Keith Lemon in a wig.
    Indeed - she is not that able. The same goes for Long-Bailey.

    If I were Labour, I would send McDonnell.
    I would as well, but we all know he has plenty of baggage regarding security and past associations. Scrapping MI5 and Special Branch being two of them, and praising the IRA. He's not very good at economics either. Dunno, none of them are serious front line politicians. They are by their very nature back benchers, which is where they very much deserve to be.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,054
    Danny565 said:

    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    Latest Electoral Calculus forecast: Tory majority of 96, and 46% of the vote.

    http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/homepage.html

    Still has CON gain Bishop Auckland. Is this realistic?
    Definitely. The North East is likely to be one of the Tories' best regions. The swings in Northumberland at the local elections a few weeks ago were stupendous.
    But the swings in Durham (including Bishop Auckland itself) were not.
    I'm on Blyth Valley at 4-1. Obviously its looking less likely than when the Tories had monster leads but you never know.

    Went if you go by the locals.
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    DadgeDadge Posts: 2,038

    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:
    Good man. Puts focus entirely on may.
    Cameron did this in GE2015.

    May should have gone.
    We need to put an end to these 'debates' - they don't help further the political discussion in this country. I have never watched one and I never will. They are there for the media not the electorate.
    They're there for the 3-4 million people who watch them, and the others who hear about them.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,869

    TOPPING said:

    surbiton said:

    SeanT said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    "Thanks. I'm finding it hard enough to sell my house at the moment as it is."

    To be brutally honest, your inability to sell your house might be one of those severe consequences of Brexit. Property is gonna take a hi

    Well he voted for it.
    Yes, I did. And your attempts to personalise it are pathetic.
    Why so? You voted for something which you accepted would have a price, and you deemed that price to be one worth paying.

    It is hardly pathetic to point out the concrete consequences of a decision you took.
    It's only on this forum that absolutely everything in life is seen through the prism of Brexit. In the real world, people aren't like that.

    I've already explained the unique circumstances involved in our sale downthread, and the fact that other sales are progressing. But some people can't resist a personal dig.
    I will let you know what it is like when we stick the sign in the garden. It will be post-election though...
    Thanks. Our estate agent hasn't ever mentioned or cited Brexit once, and we did ask, and we have a very good relationship with him.

    He has said the snap General Election has led to the whole market stalling.
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    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831
    On the 'naked and alone' topic - there is, of course, one person in British politics who has seen Corbyn 'naked and alone' - step forward Diane.

    I am sure the Stasi archives contain a few snapshots of their tour...
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,054
    https://twitter.com/LordAshcroft/status/869541822661619713

    Age-Brexit correlation... Thing that make you go HMMMMMM
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    dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Name blind recruitment for all jobs proposed. We will be assigned work by the state at this rate.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,661

    Jezza clamping down on stop and search and encouraging policing by consent.

    "Policing by consent" sounds unintentionally funny:

    Copper: "May we arrest you sonny?"
    Kid with swag bag: "I would rather you didn't officer."
    Copper: "Ok, on you go."

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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,900
    Well that turned out well, George:

    The Tories with their strong poll lead are in a position to take voters seriously: honesty may serve them well.

    http://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/evening-standard-comment-the-tories-lead-means-they-can-be-realistic-a3524351.html
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    George Osborne is now in the entertainment industry. Watching many Conservative voters turn beetroot with rage as they read his crisp and well-chosen words is certainly entertaining.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    marke09 said:

    Podium positions (l-r)

    1. Tim Farron
    2. Labour
    3. Caroline Lucas
    4. Leanne Wood
    5. Amber Rudd
    6. Paul Nuttall
    7. Angus Robertson
    Opening statements

    1. Leanne Wood
    2. Caroline Lucas
    3. Amber Rudd
    4. Labour
    5. Paul Nuttall
    6. Angus Robertson
    7. Tim Farron
    Closing statements

    1. Paul Nuttall
    2. Caroline Lucas
    3. Labour
    4. Angus Robertson
    5. Leanne Wood
    6. Tim Farron
    7. Amber Rudd

    This for tomorrow night

    That looks decent for Amber
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    jonny83jonny83 Posts: 1,261

    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:
    I'm no fan of may, she's pretry crap, but Osbornes pieces show he has an active hate for her.
    This must stem from more than just his sacking. He must have realised that it would have been impossible to stay after Cameron resigned. Surely any ambitions he had to become leader were torpedoed by Dave's morning-after resignation. Why is there no ire directed at him?

    On an earlier thread there was all manner of emoting about Dave. I really don't get this. He left his country and party in the lurch. In the leadership election that ensued May was the only plausible candidate left standing. At one point Nicki Morgan was considering a bid. Nicki Morgan FFS!
    I agree with you on Cameron, he was very cowardly in leaving the country in the lurch as he did. It was his decision to hold the referendum last year and he said he would not quit even if he lost. He then just walked away, the man is a charlatan. He was also a shit PM and this comes from someone who supported him at the ballot box and volunteered for the Tories at election time in the past.
    They were going to force him out if he hadn't stood down, a lot of those MPs that were saying he should have stayed on a bit longer behind the scenes I strongly suspect thought something entirely different.
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    JasonJason Posts: 1,614
    edited May 2017

    Jezza going hard on the ethnic vote.

    There's a joke here somewhere.
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    isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited May 2017

    isam said:

    Why should people pretend he isn't ridiculing his own immigration pledge on the front page and in editorials?

    Well, I'm not sure it was 'his' immigration pledge - I rather suspect he opposed it - but, leaving that aside, of course it's reasonable to contrast what he's saying now (when he no longer is bound by collective responsibility or by the need to win elections) with his position as a politician.

    However, what do people want him to do - repeat the party line without hesitation or deviation? He wouldn't be a very good editor if he did, would he?
    He was the 'strategist' for the campaign in which it was first used I think.

    Maybe better not to comment when you have form for the same thing I guess would be my view. No one else is talking about the immigration pledge, it's not front page news! Except it is!!
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    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831

    Name blind recruitment for all jobs proposed. We will be assigned work by the state at this rate.

    How do you interview someone without seeing their face or asking their name?
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    Andy_CookeAndy_Cooke Posts: 4,823

    For a Corbyn minority Government to be viable, Labour need to gain at least 30 seats. For example, rough and ready: Corbyn's 262 seats + SNP 46 + LD on 4 + Green on 1 + SDLP on 4 + PC on 3 = 320 seats, which beats Tories 300 + DUP 8 + UUP 2 = 310 seats.

    That means Labour gaining places like Lincoln, Peterborough and Southampton Itchen.

    Given the UKIP + CON scores in those constituencies (of 55%+) and few remaining centre-left voters to draw on, Corbyn isn't going to take any of them without significant direct switching from Con-Lab, of which there is very little evidence.

    And in the other 20 seats?
    1 will be Speaker, 4 (probably) will be Sinn Fein, so you've got 15 unaligned. Who are they?
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    JonathanDJonathanD Posts: 2,400

    isam said:

    Why should people pretend he isn't ridiculing his own immigration pledge on the front page and in editorials?

    Well, I'm not sure it was 'his' immigration pledge - I rather suspect he opposed it - but, leaving that aside, of course it's reasonable to contrast what he's saying now (when he no longer is bound by collective responsibility or by the need to win elections) with his position as a politician.

    However, what do people want him to do - repeat the party line without hesitation or deviation? He wouldn't be a very good editor if he did, would he?

    The economic headwinds created by Brexit also have a major change on the calculus of the desirability of reducing immigration.
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    dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786

    Name blind recruitment for all jobs proposed. We will be assigned work by the state at this rate.

    How do you interview someone without seeing their face or asking their name?
    It will be accompanied no doubt by quota regulations.
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    marke09marke09 Posts: 926
    whats with the order of dates in the poll graphic in thread
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,615
    Charles said:

    TOPPING said:

    eek said:

    TOPPING said:

    SeanT said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    "Thanks. I'm finding it hard enough to sell my house at the moment as it is."


    To be brutally honest, your inability to sell your house might be one of those severe consequences of Brexit. Property is gonna take a hi

    PWP
    PWP???

    To be honest house prices are going to take a hit as I've been looking at moving for ages and everytime I do I just think not paying that for that.

    Likewise my parents looked at a 2 bed flat in South Bucks recently. Their reaction was we'll stick where we are and redo the bathrooms...
    The story of London property is looking at a 2-bed flat somewhere ghastly, refusing to pay the money being asked, and then, shortly afterwards berating yourself for not buying then and there as the area has "come up" and the flat is worth three times what it was selling for when you looked at it.
    Priced at, not worth
    willing buyer + willing seller = worth
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    By the same logic, don't the Tories already hold the vast majority of seats with the highest proportion of 65+-year-olds.
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    marke09marke09 Posts: 926
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    NEW 'A huge disappointment': Mumsnet users vent fury at Jeremy Corbyn for leaving webchat early
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    The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    jonny83 said:

    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:
    I'm no fan of may, she's pretry crap, but Osbornes pieces show he has an active hate for her.
    This must stem from more than just his sacking. He must have realised that it would have been impossible to stay after Cameron resigned. Surely any ambitions he had to become leader were torpedoed by Dave's morning-after resignation. Why is there no ire directed at him?

    On an earlier thread there was all manner of emoting about Dave. I really don't get this. He left his country and party in the lurch. In the leadership election that ensued May was the only plausible candidate left standing. At one point Nicki Morgan was considering a bid. Nicki Morgan FFS!
    I agree with you on Cameron, he was very cowardly in leaving the country in the lurch as he did. It was his decision to hold the referendum last year and he said he would not quit even if he lost. He then just walked away, the man is a charlatan. He was also a shit PM and this comes from someone who supported him at the ballot box and volunteered for the Tories at election time in the past.
    They were going to force him out if he hadn't stood down, a lot of those MPs that were saying he should have stayed on a bit longer behind the scenes I strongly suspect thought something entirely different.
    That is a fair point! The duplicity of tory MP's is something to behold.
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    JasonJason Posts: 1,614

    Jezza clamping down on stop and search and encouraging policing by consent.

    "Policing by consent" sounds unintentionally funny:

    Copper: "May we arrest you sonny?"
    Kid with swag bag: "I would rather you didn't officer."
    Copper: "Ok, on you go."

    Looks like Corbyn has gone back to the core vote strategy. Have Labour given up the ghost?
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,900
    Dadge said:


    It's only on this forum that absolutely everything in life is seen through the prism of Brexit.

    And through Theresa May's eyes.
    And George Osborne's:

    It’s not too late to get back to the issues that count. Let’s be told how immigration is going to be reduced — not the blank responses this paper got from Cabinet ministers today. Let’s hear how we are going to try to keep tariff-free access to our largest export markets. Let’s debate how we are going to change the global view that thinks Britain is turning its back on the world. We have had no answers from Labour or the Conservatives. In other words, treat the public like grown ups, and allow them a chance to give the mandate the government claims to seek.

    http://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/evening-standard-comment-voters-need-answers-on-britain-s-brexit-future-a3552206.html
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    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831

    Name blind recruitment for all jobs proposed. We will be assigned work by the state at this rate.

    How do you interview someone without seeing their face or asking their name?
    It will be accompanied no doubt by quota regulations.
    I guess if everyone had to wear the full burqa for interviews, that might achieve something along the lines Corbyn wants. But I still would want to know the name of someone I was looking to employ.

    The warped minds that come up with such rubbish as this need treatment, they really do.

    The real world must be such a difficult place for them.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,869

    For a Corbyn minority Government to be viable, Labour need to gain at least 30 seats. For example, rough and ready: Corbyn's 262 seats + SNP 46 + LD on 4 + Green on 1 + SDLP on 4 + PC on 3 = 320 seats, which beats Tories 300 + DUP 8 + UUP 2 = 310 seats.

    That means Labour gaining places like Lincoln, Peterborough and Southampton Itchen.

    Given the UKIP + CON scores in those constituencies (of 55%+) and few remaining centre-left voters to draw on, Corbyn isn't going to take any of them without significant direct switching from Con-Lab, of which there is very little evidence.

    And in the other 20 seats?
    1 will be Speaker, 4 (probably) will be Sinn Fein, so you've got 15 unaligned. Who are they?
    Like I said, rough and ready reckoner. I probably have the Tories too low, as they'd gain a few from the SNP direct there and I allocated the 30 switches direct from Con to Lab. Similar for a couple of Labour and Tory gains from the LDs.

    I didn't bother to square it all up as I was just trying to make a broad point.
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    dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Jezza chanting 'let's go' like a twit
    Kinnock redux
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 63,348

    isam said:

    Why should people pretend he isn't ridiculing his own immigration pledge on the front page and in editorials?

    Well, I'm not sure it was 'his' immigration pledge - I rather suspect he opposed it - but, leaving that aside, of course it's reasonable to contrast what he's saying now (when he no longer is bound by collective responsibility or by the need to win elections) with his position as a politician.

    However, what do people want him to do - repeat the party line without hesitation or deviation? He wouldn't be a very good editor if he did, would he?
    The Mayites obsession with loyalty appears to extend to newspaper editors.

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    JasonJason Posts: 1,614
    Danny565 said:

    By the same logic, don't the Tories already hold the vast majority of seats with the highest proportion of 65+-year-olds.
    Yes, but the oldies vote.
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    oldpoliticsoldpolitics Posts: 455

    Name blind recruitment for all jobs proposed. We will be assigned work by the state at this rate.

    How do you interview someone without seeing their face or asking their name?
    You potentially just stop interviewing. The available evidence is that overall interviewers make terrible recruitment decisions and are impressed by all the wrong things - some research last year suggested you get better candidates by tossing a coin than by interviewing.

    Not that name-blind makes much sense in an era of LinkedIn. If you want to know who the candidate is, thirty seconds with google should cover it for anything above entry level jobs.
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