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Ooof, not good press for the SNP.fitalass said:Civic and joyous nationalism at its worse.
The Scotsman - ‘Get out of Scotland!’: watch Tory activists harassed on street
The Herald - LibDems demand suspension of SNP activist over funeral tweets
The Scottish Sun - battle of Bannockburn SNP activist’s knuckles rapped for hurling abuse at Tory canvassers while blasting independence music in bizarre Stirling drive-by
Daily Record - Truth is winning the war against the SNP's nasty election tricks0 -
"The right hon. Gentleman is afraid of an election is he? Oh, if I were going to cut and run I'd have gone after the Falklands. Afraid? Frightened? Frit? Couldn't take it? Couldn't stand it? Right now inflation is lower than it has been for thirteen years, a record the right hon. Gentleman couldn't begin to touch!"Chris said:Just out of interest, in 1983 of course Michael Foot was attacked mercilessly by the press (and Kenny Everett). But I can't call to mind any personal attacks made directly on him by Margaret Thatcher. I may be wrong, though. Do other people remember such personal attacks, or did Thatcher leave them to others?
- M. H. Thatcher, Prime Minister's Question Time, House of Commons (19 April, 1983)0 -
Unless I am missing something it does detract from the premise, since we don't know what the inflation rate would have been without it.Monksfield said:
Indeed, but that still doesn't detract from the premise that QE since 2008 has had little inflationary impact. And if QE is good enough to protect banker lifestyles then it could be good enough for a spot of nationalising utilities. Nothing wrong with the concept.RobD said:
Who knows what the inflation rate would have been with out.Monksfield said:
£435 bn of QE to save banker lifestyles didn't seem to result in much inflation, did it?Floater said:
QE? hang on, I thought inflation was bad?surbiton said:
Borrow. Money is cheap. Every government borrows. Option will be to use QE.JonnyJimmy said:So income tax rates of 60 to 70% for the top 5% of earners under Corbyn?
How else can he raise the £40bn he needs from them otherwise?
Not that I personally see this as desirable. I'd far rather see effective regulation than nationalisation.0 -
Read what I said again.. And this time think before hitting the froth button.TMA1 said:
Corbyn says NATO is a 'Frankenstein' organisation and refuses 6 times to guarantee a Trident replacement.Monksfield said:
The Tories are mistaken to focus exclusively on Corbyn. Corbyn's press for 2 years has been awful, so people have thought that one through - it'll be enough for a decent May majority. But the lode Is exhausted now. People are thinking about policies and how they might affect their lives now. And the Tories are just offering more of the same pain.Tykejohnno said:
Whilst Corbyn brushes up his alt-lefty credentials May is successfully dealing with real matters at the G7.0 -
To save the Labour Party from itself.foxinsoxuk said:0 -
I have always had the impression from time that both Labour MPs and his opponents saw Michael Foot as fundamentally a very decent man and politician, and respected him. Corbyn has never garnered the same respect from his own colleagues or opponents.Chris said:Just out of interest, in 1983 of course Michael Foot was attacked mercilessly by the press (and Kenny Everett). But I can't call to mind any personal attacks made directly on him by Margaret Thatcher. I may be wrong, though. Do other people remember such personal attacks, or did Thatcher leave them to others?
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Foot never fraternised with the enemy.fitalass said:
I have always had the impression from time that both Labour MPs and his opponents saw Michael Foot as fundamentally a very decent man and politician, Corbyn not so much.Chris said:Just out of interest, in 1983 of course Michael Foot was attacked mercilessly by the press (and Kenny Everett). But I can't call to mind any personal attacks made directly on him by Margaret Thatcher. I may be wrong, though. Do other people remember such personal attacks, or did Thatcher leave them to others?
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There was one for SurveyMonkey in the Sun.AndyJS said:Good evening. Have we had any polls since the one showing Labour on 38%?
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3659489/tories-set-to-increase-majority-as-sun-poll-shows-them-with-eight-point-lead-over-labour-because-voters-want-may-as-pm/Accrington StanleySurveyMonkey? Who are they?
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As personal attacks go, that seems pretty mild, though. I seem to remember George Brown describing Foot as the one-eyed, one-legged leader of the Labour party, or something like that.Sunil_Prasannan said:
"The right hon. Gentleman is afraid of an election is he? Oh, if I were going to cut and run I'd have gone after the Falklands. Afraid? Frightened? Frit? Couldn't take it? Couldn't stand it? Right now inflation is lower than it has been for thirteen years, a record the right hon. Gentleman couldn't begin to touch!"Chris said:Just out of interest, in 1983 of course Michael Foot was attacked mercilessly by the press (and Kenny Everett). But I can't call to mind any personal attacks made directly on him by Margaret Thatcher. I may be wrong, though. Do other people remember such personal attacks, or did Thatcher leave them to others?
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Interesting Ashcroft focus group from Scotland 'If our party leaders had not gone into politics, what would they be doing instead? What about Tim Farron? “A vicar.” “A double glazing salesman.” “Maybe a gap year.” Jeremy Corbyn? “A union leader.” “Some non-existent job.” “Human rights. Something in human rights.” “Someone who works in a school, teaching sociology, or theology.” What about Theresa May? “Corbyn’s boss, as headmistress.” “In a girls’ private school.” Would it be well run? “It would be very disciplined. She’d be like Miss Hardbroom in The Worst Witch.”
Ruth Davidson? “A P.E. teacher.” “A lawyer – a criminal barrister for the prosecution, something like that.” “A bus driver.” Willie Rennie, the Scottish Lib Dem leader? “Is he a Highlander? I always think he always comes across as a crofter. A wee farmer.” “Antique dealer. He’s got a stupid tie he wears all the time.”
How about the Scottish Labour leader, Kezia Dugdale?“Primary school teacher. She is a lawyer, but she looks more like a primary school teacher.”
And finally, what about the First Minister? “An author of children’s novels.” “A nurse – a matron, if they still exist.” “Running a PR company.” “A two-part comedy act in Butlin’s.” “A prison warder. Prisoner: Cell Block H… She’s firm enough, you know what I mean? Nobody’s going to mess with her.”
http://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2017/05/lord-ashcroft-sturgeon-still-keeps-banging-on-about-independence-my-general-election-focus-groups-from-scotland.html0 -
Indeed. Michael gave one of the best speeches in the House since the war to explain his support for the Falkland Islanders right to self determination after the invasion by Argentina in 1982.KentRising said:
Foot never fraternised with the enemy.fitalass said:
I have always had the impression from time that both Labour MPs and his opponents saw Michael Foot as fundamentally a very decent man and politician, Corbyn not so much.Chris said:Just out of interest, in 1983 of course Michael Foot was attacked mercilessly by the press (and Kenny Everett). But I can't call to mind any personal attacks made directly on him by Margaret Thatcher. I may be wrong, though. Do other people remember such personal attacks, or did Thatcher leave them to others?
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/commons/1982/apr/03/falkland-islands
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I was expecting the LDs to pick up a lot of support from centrist Labour supporters appalled at Jeremy Corbyn's leadership. The fact that it hasn't happened is a pretty big mystery IMO.0
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Don't be stupid, he would borrow more. These things are so elementary if you are a socialist I wonder why you bother to ask.Floater said:
Remind me of our current interest repayments.surbiton said:
Borrow. Money is cheap. Every government borrows. Option will be to use QE.JonnyJimmy said:So income tax rates of 60 to 70% for the top 5% of earners under Corbyn?
How else can he raise the £40bn he needs from them otherwise?
You know, as money is cheap.
Then tell us what happens when because of your parties idiotic policies money is no longer cheap, what do we do then?
The point as well of course is that the big black hole - its £58 billion - in Labours spending plans is for every year every year every year. So the amount to be repaid on debt would go up every year... to be added onto the borrowing.
Corbyn has said he wants to change Britain into a new country - Yes, Venezuela.0 -
I tried to attend the PB meet up earlier tonight and scoped the place out at 6pm, but it was absolutely heaving and noisy, so I thought "um, no" and caught the train back home. I arrived back thirty minutes ago in some pain so it seems to have been the right call, but I am a little bit sad about not having met the attendees: if I'd've known @Ave_it was attending, I might have stayed, if only to testify to the volume (I have this image of a younger Brian Blessed). I was intending to leave some money behind the bar but instead I gave some money to Mike to dispose of as he saw fit, which presumably amounts to the same thing. I hope those that attended had fun and I'll see if I can make the next one.0
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Well, it certainly wouldn't have been higher.RobD said:
Unless I am missing something it does detract from the premise, since we don't know what the inflation rate would have been without it.Monksfield said:
Indeed, but that still doesn't detract from the premise that QE since 2008 has had little inflationary impact. And if QE is good enough to protect banker lifestyles then it could be good enough for a spot of nationalising utilities. Nothing wrong with the concept.RobD said:
Who knows what the inflation rate would have been with out.Monksfield said:
£435 bn of QE to save banker lifestyles didn't seem to result in much inflation, did it?Floater said:
QE? hang on, I thought inflation was bad?surbiton said:
Borrow. Money is cheap. Every government borrows. Option will be to use QE.JonnyJimmy said:So income tax rates of 60 to 70% for the top 5% of earners under Corbyn?
How else can he raise the £40bn he needs from them otherwise?
Not that I personally see this as desirable. I'd far rather see effective regulation than nationalisation.0 -
Not particularly. It is a swing of just 0.7% from Lab to Con since 2015 across GB. Given the strong Tory performance in Scotland it is likely to imply pretty well zero swing in England & Wales.Very few seats would be likely to change hands between the main parties on these figures. Tory gains would be at the expense of the SNP and LibDems.MarqueeMark said:Con 44%, Lab 36% is still a bad day at the office for Labour....
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Has brought us endless merriment on here however, after the constant droning on about Dunny-on-the-Wold by election successes.AndyJS said:I was expecting the LDs to pick up a lot of support from centrist Labour supporters appalled at Jeremy Corbyn's leadership. The fact that it hasn't happened is a pretty big mystery IMO.
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There is no vote so tribal as Labour. That and Farron has had a piss poor electionAndyJS said:I was expecting the LDs to pick up a lot of support from centrist Labour supporters appalled at Jeremy Corbyn's leadership. The fact that it hasn't happened is a pretty big mystery IMO.
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An enjoyable if a little sparse meeting at Lord Raglan's near St Paul's. Good to see all the regulars including Mike himself, and from memory Double Carpet, Ave it, Cyclefree, Richard N, Nino, Pulpstar, Bunnco, Paul, Edward and Nigel. And of course, thanks to Steve for organising!0
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Apparently a member of staff at the MEN has arranged a meeting with Daesh representatives to help avoid future attacks0
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Blimey, that was a big turnout. Hope you all had a fun time!!Sunil_Prasannan said:An enjoyable if a little sparse meeting at Lord Raglan's near St Paul's. Good to see all the regulars including Mike himself, and from memory Double Carpet, Ave it, Cyclefree, Richard N, Nino, Pulpstar, Bunnco, Paul, Edward and Nigel. And of course, thanks to Steve for organising!
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A shame. On the train back to Newark at the momentviewcode said:I tried to attend the PB meet up earlier tonight and scoped the place out at 6pm, but it was absolutely heaving and noisy, so I thought "um, no" and caught the train back home. I arrived back thirty minutes ago in some pain so it seems to have been the right call, but I am a little bit sad about not having met the attendees: if I'd've known @Ave_it was attending, I might have stayed, if only to testify to the volume (I have this image of a younger Brian Blessed). I was intending to leave some money behind the bar but instead I gave some money to Mike to dispose of as he saw fit, which presumably amounts to the same thing. I hope those that attended had fun and I'll see if I can make the next one.
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No mystery, the Libdems made a big strategic mistake by trying to make themselves the anti-Brexit party in much the same way Nicola Sturgeon has done up here in Scotland. And while the SNP now want to use Brexit as an excuse to hold another Independence Referendum, the Libdems want another EU Referendum. The majority of the public do not want anymore divisive Referendums anytime soon, they just want their politicians to accept and respect the results of the last Referendums by getting on with the day job now.AndyJS said:I was expecting the LDs to pick up a lot of support from centrist Labour supporters appalled at Jeremy Corbyn's leadership. The fact that it hasn't happened is a pretty big mystery IMO.
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That was an attack on Healey, not Foot.Sunil_Prasannan said:
"The right hon. Gentleman is afraid of an election is he? Oh, if I were going to cut and run I'd have gone after the Falklands. Afraid? Frightened? Frit? Couldn't take it? Couldn't stand it? Right now inflation is lower than it has been for thirteen years, a record the right hon. Gentleman couldn't begin to touch!"Chris said:Just out of interest, in 1983 of course Michael Foot was attacked mercilessly by the press (and Kenny Everett). But I can't call to mind any personal attacks made directly on him by Margaret Thatcher. I may be wrong, though. Do other people remember such personal attacks, or did Thatcher leave them to others?
- M. H. Thatcher, Prime Minister's Question Time, House of Commons (19 April, 1983)
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LibDems around 8 to 10% since the election was called, pretty much where they were in 2015.fitalass said:
No mystery, the Libdems made a big strategic mistake by trying to make themselves the anti-Brexit party in much the same way Nicola Sturgeon has done up here in Scotland. And while the SNP now want to use Brexit as an excuse to hold another Independence Referendum, the Libdems want another EU Referendum. The majority of the public do not want anymore divisive Referendums anytime soon, they just want their politicians to accept and respect the results of the last Referendums by getting on with the day job now.AndyJS said:I was expecting the LDs to pick up a lot of support from centrist Labour supporters appalled at Jeremy Corbyn's leadership. The fact that it hasn't happened is a pretty big mystery IMO.
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Not on a Universal Swing basis.The Tories would be on circa 345 - before any allowance for Labour MPs enjoying first time incumbency.bigjohnowls said:Tories take 355 seats against Labour’s 216.
The SNP would remain in third place on 56 seats while the Lib Dems would lose all their seats except leader Tim Farron’s.
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I read what you said twice. Not least the bit about the lode being exhausted, and pointed out the latest in Corbyn's anti west hate speech.Monksfield said:
Read what I said again.. And this time think before hitting the froth button.TMA1 said:
Corbyn says NATO is a 'Frankenstein' organisation and refuses 6 times to guarantee a Trident replacement.Monksfield said:
The Tories are mistaken to focus exclusively on Corbyn. Corbyn's press for 2 years has been awful, so people have thought that one through - it'll be enough for a decent May majority. But the lode Is exhausted now. People are thinking about policies and how they might affect their lives now. And the Tories are just offering more of the same pain.Tykejohnno said:
Whilst Corbyn brushes up his alt-lefty credentials May is successfully dealing with real matters at the G7.0 -
Any allowance for Tory first time incumbency?justin124 said:
Not on a Universal Swing basis.The Tories would be on circa 345 - before any allowance for Labour MPs enjoying first time incumbency.bigjohnowls said:Tories take 355 seats against Labour’s 216.
The SNP would remain in third place on 56 seats while the Lib Dems would lose all their seats except leader Tim Farron’s.
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One good result of this election is the LDs will make barely any progress UK wide and the SNP will go backwards in Scotland so there will be no more referendums for a whilefitalass said:
No mystery, the Libdems made a big strategic mistake by trying to make themselves the anti-Brexit party in much the same way Nicola Sturgeon has done up here in Scotland. And while the SNP now want to use Brexit as an excuse to hold another Independence Referendum, the Libdems want another EU Referendum. The majority of the public do not want anymore divisive Referendums anytime soon, they just want their politicians to accept and respect the results of the last Referendums by getting on with the day job now.AndyJS said:I was expecting the LDs to pick up a lot of support from centrist Labour supporters appalled at Jeremy Corbyn's leadership. The fact that it hasn't happened is a pretty big mystery IMO.
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New Jersey?Pulpstar said:
A shame. On the train back to Newark at the momentviewcode said:I tried to attend the PB meet up earlier tonight and scoped the place out at 6pm, but it was absolutely heaving and noisy, so I thought "um, no" and caught the train back home. I arrived back thirty minutes ago in some pain so it seems to have been the right call, but I am a little bit sad about not having met the attendees: if I'd've known @Ave_it was attending, I might have stayed, if only to testify to the volume (I have this image of a younger Brian Blessed). I was intending to leave some money behind the bar but instead I gave some money to Mike to dispose of as he saw fit, which presumably amounts to the same thing. I hope those that attended had fun and I'll see if I can make the next one.
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So it's not a SuperSaver ticket then...
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Wee Jimmy xDHYUFD said:Interesting Ashcroft focus group from Scotland 'If our party leaders had not gone into politics, what would they be doing instead? What about Tim Farron? “A vicar.” “A double glazing salesman.” “Maybe a gap year.” Jeremy Corbyn? “A union leader.” “Some non-existent job.” “Human rights. Something in human rights.” “Someone who works in a school, teaching sociology, or theology.” What about Theresa May? “Corbyn’s boss, as headmistress.” “In a girls’ private school.” Would it be well run? “It would be very disciplined. She’d be like Miss Hardbroom in The Worst Witch.”
Ruth Davidson? “A P.E. teacher.” “A lawyer – a criminal barrister for the prosecution, something like that.” “A bus driver.” Willie Rennie, the Scottish Lib Dem leader? “Is he a Highlander? I always think he always comes across as a crofter. A wee farmer.” “Antique dealer. He’s got a stupid tie he wears all the time.”
How about the Scottish Labour leader, Kezia Dugdale?“Primary school teacher. She is a lawyer, but she looks more like a primary school teacher.”
And finally, what about the First Minister? “An author of children’s novels.” “A nurse – a matron, if they still exist.” “Running a PR company.” “A two-part comedy act in Butlin’s.” “A prison warder. Prisoner: Cell Block H… She’s firm enough, you know what I mean? Nobody’s going to mess with her.”
http://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2017/05/lord-ashcroft-sturgeon-still-keeps-banging-on-about-independence-my-general-election-focus-groups-from-scotland.html0 -
The Tories will gain a few Leave seats in the Midlands and North through UKIP votes going to them even if they gain only a few voters from Labour, though Labour may lose barely any in Londonjustin124 said:
Not particularly. It is a swing of just 0.7% from Lab to Con since 2015 across GB. Given the strong Tory performance in Scotland it is likely to imply pretty well zero swing in England & Wales.Very few seats would be likely to change hands between the main parties on these figures. Tory gains would be at the expense of the SNP and LibDems.MarqueeMark said:Con 44%, Lab 36% is still a bad day at the office for Labour....
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Shame, would have liked to have met you. It was OK after 7 when I arrived.viewcode said:I tried to attend the PB meet up earlier tonight and scoped the place out at 6pm, but it was absolutely heaving and noisy, so I thought "um, no" and caught the train back home. I arrived back thirty minutes ago in some pain so it seems to have been the right call, but I am a little bit sad about not having met the attendees: if I'd've known @Ave_it was attending, I might have stayed, if only to testify to the volume (I have this image of a younger Brian Blessed). I was intending to leave some money behind the bar but instead I gave some money to Mike to dispose of as he saw fit, which presumably amounts to the same thing. I hope those that attended had fun and I'll see if I can make the next one.
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Indeed, key finding was May would be a headmistress and Corbyn a teacher or lecturer, which tells you voters still want May running the country even if they don't necessarily want to give her a landslide winChris said:
An Open University lecturer?HYUFD said:Jeremy Corbyn? “A union leader.” “Some non-existent job.” “Human rights. Something in human rights.” “Someone who works in a school, teaching sociology, or theology.”
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I thought the turnout was quite good actually !Sunil_Prasannan said:An enjoyable if a little sparse meeting at Lord Raglan's near St Paul's. Good to see all the regulars including Mike himself, and from memory Double Carpet, Ave it, Cyclefree, Richard N, Nino, Pulpstar, Bunnco, Paul, Edward and Nigel. And of course, thanks to Steve for organising!
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Charles Clarke on Newsnight the other day being the best example of thisPulpstar said:
There is no vote so tribal as Labour.AndyJS said:I was expecting the LDs to pick up a lot of support from centrist Labour supporters appalled at Jeremy Corbyn's leadership. The fact that it hasn't happened is a pretty big mystery IMO.
"I think Jeremy Corbyn is totally wrong about terrorism, I wouldn't trust him with the security of the country, of course he isn't prime minister material."
"Who will you be voting for this time?"
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A ridiculous notion. You need to be intelligent to enter either profession.HYUFD said:
Indeed, key finding was May would be a headmistress and Corbyn a teacher or lecturer, which tells you voters still want May running the country even if they don't necessarily want to give her a landslide winChris said:
An Open University lecturer?HYUFD said:Jeremy Corbyn? “A union leader.” “Some non-existent job.” “Human rights. Something in human rights.” “Someone who works in a school, teaching sociology, or theology.”
Incidentally that wasn't a joke or sarcasm. Corbyn genuinely wouldn't pass the skills tests for teaching or the necessary training for lecturing.0 -
Oh... and Cornbyn now says he 'never met the IRA'.TMA1 said:
I read what you said twice. Not least the bit about the lode being exhausted, and pointed out the latest in Corbyn's anti west hate speech.Monksfield said:
Read what I said again.. And this time think before hitting the froth button.TMA1 said:
Corbyn says NATO is a 'Frankenstein' organisation and refuses 6 times to guarantee a Trident replacement.Monksfield said:
The Tories are mistaken to focus exclusively on Corbyn. Corbyn's press for 2 years has been awful, so people have thought that one through - it'll be enough for a decent May majority. But the lode Is exhausted now. People are thinking about policies and how they might affect their lives now. And the Tories are just offering more of the same pain.Tykejohnno said:
Whilst Corbyn brushes up his alt-lefty credentials May is successfully dealing with real matters at the G7.
http://news.sky.com/story/labour-leader-jeremy-corbyn-denies-supporting-or-meeting-ira-10894557
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"The IRA? What's that?"TMA1 said:
Oh... and Cornbyn now says he 'never met the IRA'.TMA1 said:
I read what you said twice. Not least the bit about the lode being exhausted, and pointed out the latest in Corbyn's anti west hate speech.Monksfield said:
Read what I said again.. And this time think before hitting the froth button.TMA1 said:
Corbyn says NATO is a 'Frankenstein' organisation and refuses 6 times to guarantee a Trident replacement.Monksfield said:
The Tories are mistaken to focus exclusively on Corbyn. Corbyn's press for 2 years has been awful, so people have thought that one through - it'll be enough for a decent May majority. But the lode Is exhausted now. People are thinking about policies and how they might affect their lives now. And the Tories are just offering more of the same pain.Tykejohnno said:
Whilst Corbyn brushes up his alt-lefty credentials May is successfully dealing with real matters at the G7.
http://news.sky.com/story/labour-leader-jeremy-corbyn-denies-supporting-or-meeting-ira-10894557
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Some as young as threeTykejohnno said:0 -
Twitter
(((Dan Hodges)))Verified account @DPJHodges 2h2 hours ago
Guardian headline tomorrow: "May puts bombing at heart of election with attack on Corbyn". Er...
(((Dan Hodges)))Verified account @DPJHodges 46m46 minutes ago
Guardian, 26 May: "[Corbyn] plans to give a speech...drawing a link between British foreign policy and terror attacks".
(((Dan Hodges)))Verified account @DPJHodges 45m45 minutes ago
Guardian, 27 May: "May launched an extraordinary attack...accusing JC of saying Man. terror attack [was] caused by British foreign policy".
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Hmmmm, no. His beard isn't (yet) long enough.rcs1000 said:
Some as young as threeTykejohnno said:0 -
Technically correct. He met Sinn Fein.TMA1 said:
Oh... and Cornbyn now says he 'never met the IRA'.TMA1 said:
I read what you said twice. Not least the bit about the lode being exhausted, and pointed out the latest in Corbyn's anti west hate speech.Monksfield said:
Read what I said again.. And this time think before hitting the froth button.TMA1 said:
Corbyn says NATO is a 'Frankenstein' organisation and refuses 6 times to guarantee a Trident replacement.Monksfield said:
The Tories are mistaken to focus exclusively on Corbyn. Corbyn's press for 2 years has been awful, so people have thought that one through - it'll be enough for a decent May majority. But the lode Is exhausted now. People are thinking about policies and how they might affect their lives now. And the Tories are just offering more of the same pain.Tykejohnno said:
Whilst Corbyn brushes up his alt-lefty credentials May is successfully dealing with real matters at the G7.
http://news.sky.com/story/labour-leader-jeremy-corbyn-denies-supporting-or-meeting-ira-10894557
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The distinction is identical to saying that someone didn't meet a member of the Institute for Historical review, they met Nick Griffin and David Irving instead.0 -
Lets all laugh at Michael Fallon;
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-michael-fallon-slates-jeremy-10508519
No Michael, you weren't set up.
You set yourself up for that.0 -
While we're strolling down Memory Lane, here's an interesting clip of Corbyn wiping the floor with Margaret Thatcher, six months before her departure as Prime Minister:
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She had to pretend she thought there was a risk. The point of the election was to entrench her untrammeled power with a landslide. Maybe also to add a couple years to her term to get past Brexit on the subsequent election.foxinsoxuk said:0 -
Well you are right, but also wrong! Corbyn was a teacher. Briefly. In Jamaica.ydoethur said:
A ridiculous notion. You need to be intelligent to enter either profession.HYUFD said:
Indeed, key finding was May would be a headmistress and Corbyn a teacher or lecturer, which tells you voters still want May running the country even if they don't necessarily want to give her a landslide winChris said:
An Open University lecturer?HYUFD said:Jeremy Corbyn? “A union leader.” “Some non-existent job.” “Human rights. Something in human rights.” “Someone who works in a school, teaching sociology, or theology.”
Incidentally that wasn't a joke or sarcasm. Corbyn genuinely wouldn't pass the skills tests for teaching or the necessary training for lecturing.
His comments on the matter show that he thinks you do not need to be clever yo be a teacher, merely crafty.
''I worked out what all teachers do. If you are a chapter ahead of the class you are okay until you have a really bright kid, and then you have got a problem. You say ‘don’t be so pushy, give a chance to the others''
To me this does not sound as if he has a high opinion of teachers.
BTW he proposes to have 4 fewer teaching days with his extra bank holidays bribe.0 -
Wouldn't last five minutes.HYUFD said:0 -
That's a lot of people for Corbyn to invite to the Houses of Parliament.Tykejohnno said:0 -
Have got extra popcorn on standby for #MegaPollingSaturdayAve_it said:So
I am home after the pb.com event at Lord Raglan
I wish to record my official thanks to Mike and Steve for organising it. And to all those nice people I met tonight familiar and not so familiar.
So tomorrow - the most important night in British polling history
Let's hope we can continue to carry the torch of freedom and that the enemy within of Labour do not come along to steal it!
Goodnight all
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Nice to put some names to faces earlier. Hope you all got home safely.
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I'm hoping for one poll with the Tories up.GIN1138 said:
Have got extra popcorn on standby for #MegaPollingSaturdayAve_it said:So
I am home after the pb.com event at Lord Raglan
I wish to record my official thanks to Mike and Steve for organising it. And to all those nice people I met tonight familiar and not so familiar.
So tomorrow - the most important night in British polling history
Let's hope we can continue to carry the torch of freedom and that the enemy within of Labour do not come along to steal it!
Goodnight all
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Thank you, and you too. There is always a next time.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Shame, would have liked to have met you. It was OK after 7 when I arrived.viewcode said:I tried to attend the PB meet up earlier tonight and scoped the place out at 6pm, but it was absolutely heaving and noisy, so I thought "um, no" and caught the train back home. I arrived back thirty minutes ago in some pain so it seems to have been the right call, but I am a little bit sad about not having met the attendees: if I'd've known @Ave_it was attending, I might have stayed, if only to testify to the volume (I have this image of a younger Brian Blessed). I was intending to leave some money behind the bar but instead I gave some money to Mike to dispose of as he saw fit, which presumably amounts to the same thing. I hope those that attended had fun and I'll see if I can make the next one.
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May didn't do much about them in her six years at the Home Office, did she.TMA1 said:
That's a lot of people for Corbyn to invite to the Houses of Parliament.Tykejohnno said:
It is hard to know whether she is incompetent or merely lazy.0 -
Probably more are being monitored than ever before. That, or MI5 are pissing their money away.foxinsoxuk said:
May didn't do much about them in her six years at the Home Office, did she.TMA1 said:
That's a lot of people for Corbyn to invite to the Houses of Parliament.Tykejohnno said:
It is hard to know whether she is incompetent or merely lazy.0 -
I said that attacking Corbyn isn't really getting you anywhere, as that well has already been emptied, most people know all about his negatives, after all the guy has already been attacked from all sides for 2 years. My honest advice is that you would do better to focus on promoting your own policies, that is if you can find some that are not going to hurt ordinary people in the pocket. But hey, you can ignore me if you want.TMA1 said:
I read what you said twice. Not least the bit about the lode being exhausted, and pointed out the latest in Corbyn's anti west hate speech.Monksfield said:
Read what I said again.. And this time think before hitting the froth button.TMA1 said:
Corbyn says NATO is a 'Frankenstein' organisation and refuses 6 times to guarantee a Trident replacement.Monksfield said:
The Tories are mistaken to focus exclusively on Corbyn. Corbyn's press for 2 years has been awful, so people have thought that one through - it'll be enough for a decent May majority. But the lode Is exhausted now. People are thinking about policies and how they might affect their lives now. And the Tories are just offering more of the same pain.Tykejohnno said:
Whilst Corbyn brushes up his alt-lefty credentials May is successfully dealing with real matters at the G7.
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If he offered a 4 day teaching week that would be of more interest.TMA1 said:
Well you are right, but also wrong! Corbyn was a teacher. Briefly. In Jamaica.ydoethur said:
A ridiculous notion. You need to be intelligent to enter either profession.HYUFD said:
Indeed, key finding was May would be a headmistress and Corbyn a teacher or lecturer, which tells you voters still want May running the country even if they don't necessarily want to give her a landslide winChris said:
An Open University lecturer?HYUFD said:Jeremy Corbyn? “A union leader.” “Some non-existent job.” “Human rights. Something in human rights.” “Someone who works in a school, teaching sociology, or theology.”
Incidentally that wasn't a joke or sarcasm. Corbyn genuinely wouldn't pass the skills tests for teaching or the necessary training for lecturing.
His comments on the matter show that he thinks you do not need to be clever yo be a teacher, merely crafty.
''I worked out what all teachers do. If you are a chapter ahead of the class you are okay until you have a really bright kid, and then you have got a problem. You say ‘don’t be so pushy, give a chance to the others''
To me this does not sound as if he has a high opinion of teachers.
BTW he proposes to have 4 fewer teaching days with his extra bank holidays bribe.
He also proposes to increase our rolls by 5% while not providing extra funding.
What was he in Jamaica? Some sort of student volunteer teacher? Still a popular gap year pursuit among those with more money than talent.0 -
I would think that it would take Labour voters a bit longer than two years to forget the Lib Dem Coalition with the Conservatives.AndyJS said:I was expecting the LDs to pick up a lot of support from centrist Labour supporters appalled at Jeremy Corbyn's leadership. The fact that it hasn't happened is a pretty big mystery IMO.
I suppose I thought that the Lib Dems would have had more success with pro-EU Conservatives, discouraged by their party's turn to a hard Brexit. Either there aren't many pro-EU Conservatives, or they have been turned off by the silly Lib Dem refusenik stance on Brexit.
Quite why Remainers have failed to rally around trying to keep Britain in the Single Market continues to surprise me. Instead so many are chasing the mirage of a second referendum, that they would lose as surely as one will not be called. I suppose the Lib Dems have a track record of calling for referenda they don't expect to happen, but I still find it disappointing.0 -
I'm never sure how any head lasts five minutes, to be honest.HYUFD said:
Corbyn definitely would not last five minutes in an inner city school. He'd manhandle the first child that spoke back to him (or threw a chair at him, which is what happened to me) and be arrested.
And of course he has no degree or other post-GCE qualification (and only 2 Es in that).0 -
I guess a gap year thing. Going to Jamaica may have been the lefty student thing to do back then.ydoethur said:
If he offered a 4 day teaching week that would be of more interest.TMA1 said:
Well you are right, but also wrong! Corbyn was a teacher. Briefly. In Jamaica.ydoethur said:
A ridiculous notion. You need to be intelligent to enter either profession.HYUFD said:
Indeed, key finding was May would be a headmistress and Corbyn a teacher or lecturer, which tells you voters still want May running the country even if they don't necessarily want to give her a landslide winChris said:
An Open University lecturer?HYUFD said:Jeremy Corbyn? “A union leader.” “Some non-existent job.” “Human rights. Something in human rights.” “Someone who works in a school, teaching sociology, or theology.”
Incidentally that wasn't a joke or sarcasm. Corbyn genuinely wouldn't pass the skills tests for teaching or the necessary training for lecturing.
His comments on the matter show that he thinks you do not need to be clever yo be a teacher, merely crafty.
''I worked out what all teachers do. If you are a chapter ahead of the class you are okay until you have a really bright kid, and then you have got a problem. You say ‘don’t be so pushy, give a chance to the others''
To me this does not sound as if he has a high opinion of teachers.
BTW he proposes to have 4 fewer teaching days with his extra bank holidays bribe.
He also proposes to increase our rolls by 5% while not providing extra funding.
What was he in Jamaica? Some sort of student volunteer teacher? Still a popular gap year pursuit among those with more money than talent.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2016/01/07/jeremy-corbyn-geography-teacher-stare-_n_8933174.html0 -
Personal political advantage. But then you knew that. Same with Cameron and the EU Referendum, which turned out well for him.foxinsoxuk said:
If she felt there was a risk of Jezza as PM, why did she call the election?Tykejohnno said:0 -
Any PB Tories think that Corbyn somehow wins this?
Pulpstar is right. Labour isn't a party, it's genetic. Hard to vote against your nature.0 -
A little PB quiz:
Who made this statement following the Chilcott report publication:
"The decision to go to war was part of a cascade of mistakes that resulted in the careless destruction of a nation, our complicity in the use of torture, our ceding of the moral high ground, and an increased risk of terrorism at home.
There is no doubt the decision to go to war was a failure of government, from start to finish, and in particular a failure of Tony Blair as Prime Minister. If any lessons are to be learned from this report, decisions so important to the future of the country must never again be taken in such a manner.”0 -
How do you know it's not having an effect? The constant drip drip, every day, will have to start hurting Corbyn sooner or later. I agree about the Tories and their own policies, but Corbyn is too easy a target not to fire at.Monksfield said:
I said that attacking Corbyn isn't really getting you anywhere, as that well has already been emptied, most people know all about his negatives, after all the guy has already been attacked from all sides for 2 years. My honest advice is that you would do better to focus on promoting your own policies, that is if you can find some that are not going to hurt ordinary people in the pocket. But hey, you can ignore me if you want.TMA1 said:
I read what you said twice. Not least the bit about the lode being exhausted, and pointed out the latest in Corbyn's anti west hate speech.Monksfield said:
Read what I said again.. And this time think before hitting the froth button.TMA1 said:
Corbyn says NATO is a 'Frankenstein' organisation and refuses 6 times to guarantee a Trident replacement.Monksfield said:
The Tories are mistaken to focus exclusively on Corbyn. Corbyn's press for 2 years has been awful, so people have thought that one through - it'll be enough for a decent May majority. But the lode Is exhausted now. People are thinking about policies and how they might affect their lives now. And the Tories are just offering more of the same pain.Tykejohnno said:
Whilst Corbyn brushes up his alt-lefty credentials May is successfully dealing with real matters at the G7.
If it was May who had given succour to the IRA, I'm sure you would just let it go too. Right.
Don't forget, the press haven't even mentioned his links to anti-Semitism and Holocaust deniers yet. I've said this before, he cannot unsay what he said, and he cannot undo what he did. He is what he is, and he is unfit on every conceivable level to be a national leader.
No decent Labour supporter would ever dream of being a Corbyn apologist, but there you are.0 -
That's a bit sneery. You'll be taking pictures of flags and white vans next.ydoethur said:
And of course he has no degree or other post-GCE qualification (and only 2 Es in that).0 -
You are probably right and lecturer is more likely (if he redoes his trade union studies degree), the only politicians I could see lasting in an inner city comprehensive or academy are Ann Widdecombe and maybe John McDonnell and David Davisydoethur said:
I'm never sure how any head lasts five minutes, to be honest.HYUFD said:
Corbyn definitely would not last five minutes in an inner city school. He'd manhandle the first child that spoke back to him (or threw a chair at him, which is what happened to me) and be arrested.
And of course he has no degree or other post-GCE qualification (and only 2 Es in that).0 -
For a glorious moment I thought the answer was going to be Michael Fallon.foxinsoxuk said:A little PB quiz:
Who made this statement following the Chilcott report publication:
"The decision to go to war was part of a cascade of mistakes that resulted in the careless destruction of a nation, our complicity in the use of torture, our ceding of the moral high ground, and an increased risk of terrorism at home.
There is no doubt the decision to go to war was a failure of government, from start to finish, and in particular a failure of Tony Blair as Prime Minister. If any lessons are to be learned from this report, decisions so important to the future of the country must never again be taken in such a manner.”0 -
I agree. The problem is that Farron makes up policy in the same way as May. He believes that he is the party in the same way she does. There is little consultation, though to be fair the snap election prevented that for all parties.OblitusSumMe said:
I would think that it would take Labour voters a bit longer than two years to forget the Lib Dem Coalition with the Conservatives.AndyJS said:I was expecting the LDs to pick up a lot of support from centrist Labour supporters appalled at Jeremy Corbyn's leadership. The fact that it hasn't happened is a pretty big mystery IMO.
I suppose I thought that the Lib Dems would have had more success with pro-EU Conservatives, discouraged by their party's turn to a hard Brexit. Either there aren't many pro-EU Conservatives, or they have been turned off by the silly Lib Dem refusenik stance on Brexit.
Quite why Remainers have failed to rally around trying to keep Britain in the Single Market continues to surprise me. Instead so many are chasing the mirage of a second referendum, that they would lose as surely as one will not be called. I suppose the Lib Dems have a track record of calling for referenda they don't expect to happen, but I still find it disappointing.
Staying in the EEA would have been a more plausible policy.0 -
This is what London schools were like when the current Labour Party were in charge in the 80s
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Just out of interest what sort of person was allowed to go on a motorcycling holiday in East Germany.
This was before the wall fell I assume?0 -
Nope, it was David Davis:Chris said:
For a glorious moment I thought the answer was going to be Michael Fallon.foxinsoxuk said:A little PB quiz:
Who made this statement following the Chilcott report publication:
"The decision to go to war was part of a cascade of mistakes that resulted in the careless destruction of a nation, our complicity in the use of torture, our ceding of the moral high ground, and an increased risk of terrorism at home.
There is no doubt the decision to go to war was a failure of government, from start to finish, and in particular a failure of Tony Blair as Prime Minister. If any lessons are to be learned from this report, decisions so important to the future of the country must never again be taken in such a manner.”
http://www.daviddavismp.com/david-davis-comments-on-the-publication-of-the-chilcot-report-into-the-iraq-war/0 -
Is that an actual tweet? Good god, the Tories will win easily. But that just looks desperate.foxinsoxuk said:0 -
steve richards @steverichards14 13h13 hours ago
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The spell a leader casts over media/ voters always breaks in the end. For May's to break during an election is a first.0 -
There are quite a few policiesMonksfield said:
I said that attacking Corbyn isn't really getting you anywhere, as that well has already been emptied, most people know all about his negatives, after all the guy has already been attacked from all sides for 2 years. My honest advice is that you would do better to focus on promoting your own policies, that is if you can find some that are not going to hurt ordinary people in the pocket. But hey, you can ignore me if you want.TMA1 said:
I read what you said twice. Not least the bit about the lode being exhausted, and pointed out the latest in Corbyn's anti west hate speech.Monksfield said:
Read what I said again.. And this time think before hitting the froth button.TMA1 said:
Corbyn says NATO is a 'Frankenstein' organisation and refuses 6 times to guarantee a Trident replacement.Monksfield said:
The Tories are mistaken to focus exclusively on Corbyn. Corbyn's press for 2 years has been awful, so people have thought that one through - it'll be enough for a decent May majority. But the lode Is exhausted now. People are thinking about policies and how they might affect their lives now. And the Tories are just offering more of the same pain.Tykejohnno said:
Whilst Corbyn brushes up his alt-lefty credentials May is successfully dealing with real matters at the G7.
increase the personal allowance to £12,500
ensure residents can veto high increases in council tax via a referendum
Increase the National Living Wage to 60% of median earnings by 2020
- but I grant you means testing winter fuel payments is one which would hit rich men like John McDonnell in his pocket.
The tories offer real terms increases in the NHS and £4 billion for schools.
And of course raising cost of care threshold from £23,000 to £100,0000 -
Corbyn got through tonight by lying.
By next week those lies will see him skewered and dead in the water.0 -
Oops, Forgot Dixie and Cityunslicker!Cityunslicker said:
Nice to put some names to faces earlier. Hope you all got home safely.
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Foolish to have open comments too.bobajobPB said:
Is that an actual tweet? Good god, the Tories will win easily. But that just looks desperate.foxinsoxuk said:0 -
O/T
"Call Centres; the west’s version of North Korea"
http://salisburyreview.com/2017/05/call-centres-wests-version-north-korea/0 -
The row over Thornberry's tweet was ludicrous. The house was LOL material. Most people on here who alighted the 'outrage bus', as it is known, would run a mile if Flag Man was their neighbour. Instead, we were subject to reams of pious shite about 'sneering'.Monksfield said:
That's a bit sneery. You'll be taking pictures of flags and white vans next.ydoethur said:
And of course he has no degree or other post-GCE qualification (and only 2 Es in that).0 -
Next week? Isn't that cutting it a bit fine? It's five and a half weeks since the election was announced. Wouldn't it have been safer to do the skewering before now?TGOHF said:Corbyn got through tonight by lying.
By next week those lies will see him skewered and dead in the water.0 -
RobD said:
Hmmmm, no. His beard isn't (yet) long enough.rcs1000 said:
Some as young as threeTykejohnno said:
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That reads like the start of Robert McNamara's book on Vietnam.foxinsoxuk said:A little PB quiz:
Who made this statement following the Chilcott report publication:
"The decision to go to war was part of a cascade of mistakes that resulted in the careless destruction of a nation, our complicity in the use of torture, our ceding of the moral high ground, and an increased risk of terrorism at home.
There is no doubt the decision to go to war was a failure of government, from start to finish, and in particular a failure of Tony Blair as Prime Minister. If any lessons are to be learned from this report, decisions so important to the future of the country must never again be taken in such a manner.”0 -
About 10 years before the wall fell, but it was never an issue going. I travelled to Eastern Europe on an interrail ticket in the Eighties, no problem at all, and quite an eyeopener.Floater said:Just out of interest what sort of person was allowed to go on a motorcycling holiday in East Germany.
This was before the wall fell I assume?0 -
Not sure you can stop people from replying to your tweets?foxinsoxuk said:
Foolish to have open comments too.bobajobPB said:
Is that an actual tweet? Good god, the Tories will win easily. But that just looks desperate.foxinsoxuk said:
If she felt there was a risk of Jezza as PM, why did she call the election?Tykejohnno said:twitter.com/Conservatives/status/868217762027536384
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Is there a Foxinsox file?foxinsoxuk said:
About 10 years before the wall fell, but it was never an issue going. I travelled to Eastern Europe on an interrail ticket in the Eighties, no problem at all, and quite an eyeopener.Floater said:Just out of interest what sort of person was allowed to go on a motorcycling holiday in East Germany.
This was before the wall fell I assume?0 -
Clue - he is a leading cabinet member in the current UK government.foxinsoxuk said:A little PB quiz:
Who made this statement following the Chilcott report publication:
"The decision to go to war was part of a cascade of mistakes that resulted in the careless destruction of a nation, our complicity in the use of torture, our ceding of the moral high ground, and an increased risk of terrorism at home.
There is no doubt the decision to go to war was a failure of government, from start to finish, and in particular a failure of Tony Blair as Prime Minister. If any lessons are to be learned from this report, decisions so important to the future of the country must never again be taken in such a manner.”0 -
There must have been at least twenty of us.Pulpstar said:
I thought the turnout was quite good actually !Sunil_Prasannan said:An enjoyable if a little sparse meeting at Lord Raglan's near St Paul's. Good to see all the regulars including Mike himself, and from memory Double Carpet, Ave it, Cyclefree, Richard N, Nino, Pulpstar, Bunnco, Paul, Edward and Nigel. And of course, thanks to Steve for organising!
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Thatcher was actually shouting back at Denis Healey there . From a sedentary position he had riled by shouting 'Cut and Run!'Sunil_Prasannan said:
"The right hon. Gentleman is afraid of an election is he? Oh, if I were going to cut and run I'd have gone after the Falklands. Afraid? Frightened? Frit? Couldn't take it? Couldn't stand it? Right now inflation is lower than it has been for thirteen years, a record the right hon. Gentleman couldn't begin to touch!"Chris said:Just out of interest, in 1983 of course Michael Foot was attacked mercilessly by the press (and Kenny Everett). But I can't call to mind any personal attacks made directly on him by Margaret Thatcher. I may be wrong, though. Do other people remember such personal attacks, or did Thatcher leave them to others?
- M. H. Thatcher, Prime Minister's Question Time, House of Commons (19 April, 1983)0 -
I wonder what Corbyn has to say to Egypt's Christian community:foxinsoxuk said:A little PB quiz:
Who made this statement following the Chilcott report publication:
"The decision to go to war was part of a cascade of mistakes that resulted in the careless destruction of a nation, our complicity in the use of torture, our ceding of the moral high ground, and an increased risk of terrorism at home.
There is no doubt the decision to go to war was a failure of government, from start to finish, and in particular a failure of Tony Blair as Prime Minister. If any lessons are to be learned from this report, decisions so important to the future of the country must never again be taken in such a manner.”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-400674730 -
The Scottish party leaders have been having fun, according to the BBC:
Nicola Sturgeon stopped for an ice cream while campaigning in Edinburgh
Ruth Davidson also had some ice cream in Giffnock
Kezia Dugdale went go-karting in East Lothian
Willie Rennie visited a pharmacy in Glasgow0 -
That would not arise because no Tory MPs would be threatened by a swing in their favour!RobD said:
Any allowance for Tory first time incumbency?justin124 said:
Not on a Universal Swing basis.The Tories would be on circa 345 - before any allowance for Labour MPs enjoying first time incumbency.bigjohnowls said:Tories take 355 seats against Labour’s 216.
The SNP would remain in third place on 56 seats while the Lib Dems would lose all their seats except leader Tim Farron’s.
Seriously 1 seat
Are Survey Monkey the new Gold Standard0 -
But not on the basis of Universal Swing - which on these figures would be close to zero anyway in England.!HYUFD said:
The Tories will gain a few Leave seats in the Midlands and North through UKIP votes going to them even if they gain only a few voters from Labour, though Labour may lose barely any in Londonjustin124 said:
Not particularly. It is a swing of just 0.7% from Lab to Con since 2015 across GB. Given the strong Tory performance in Scotland it is likely to imply pretty well zero swing in England & Wales.Very few seats would be likely to change hands between the main parties on these figures. Tory gains would be at the expense of the SNP and LibDems.MarqueeMark said:Con 44%, Lab 36% is still a bad day at the office for Labour....
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So how did Jezza do tonight?
was he Brilloed or a score draw a la May?0 -
What do Kesia and Willie have against ice cream??Chris said:The Scottish party leaders have been having fun, according to the BBC:
Nicola Sturgeon stopped for an ice cream while campaigning in Edinburgh
Ruth Davidson also had some ice cream in Giffnock
Kezia Dugdale went go-karting in East Lothian
Willie Rennie visited a pharmacy in Glasgow0 -
Hideously white?bobajobPB said:
What do Kesia and Willie have against ice cream??Chris said:The Scottish party leaders have been having fun, according to the BBC:
Nicola Sturgeon stopped for an ice cream while campaigning in Edinburgh
Ruth Davidson also had some ice cream in Giffnock
Kezia Dugdale went go-karting in East Lothian
Willie Rennie visited a pharmacy in Glasgow 0
