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  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,758

    Jez "I didn't support the IRA"

    Hmmmm. That is going to be tested to destruction.....

    Outright lie, I'm afraid.
    Jason said:

    Oh dear.....Corbyn sinking like a stone here

    Not really how I'm seeing it, chief. Corbyn acquitting himself OK. More interesting than May's interview.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,553
    RobD said:

    IanB2 said:

    Is it just me or has Mr Neil had a wee dram before this interview?

    You think he's drunk?
    No, just the one, I am wondering
  • JasonJason Posts: 1,614

    Andrew Neil going hard for Corbyn

    The contrast with the May interview is stark

    Lot more ammo, though. It's painful to watch.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    IanB2 said:

    Is it just me or has Mr Neil had a wee dram before this interview?

    It's you.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @DPJHodges: May struggled to answer the questions. Corbyn literally cannot answer the questions.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,018

    Andrew Neil going hard for Corbyn

    The contrast with the May interview is stark

    You mean Jezza's not having a good night.
  • woody662woody662 Posts: 255

    Andrew Neil going hard for Corbyn

    The contrast with the May interview is stark

    haha
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,714

    Andrew Neil going hard for Corbyn

    The contrast with the May interview is stark

    May has never been an apologist for those who would overthrow democratic Government.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    RobD said:

    Jason said:

    Neil eviscerating Corbyn here over the IRA.

    And now on NATO
    Neil just lied. It's the EU which has kept the west safe for decades.... :smiley:
    Apart from starting a small war between Russia and Ukraine.
  • JasonJason Posts: 1,614

    Jez "I didn't support the IRA"

    Hmmmm. That is going to be tested to destruction.....

    Outright lie, I'm afraid.
    Jason said:

    Oh dear.....Corbyn sinking like a stone here

    Not really how I'm seeing it, chief. Corbyn acquitting himself OK. More interesting than May's interview.
    Being told you're a terrorist sympathiser, with justification, and you say that's going well?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,573
    IanB2 said:

    RobD said:

    IanB2 said:

    Is it just me or has Mr Neil had a wee dram before this interview?

    You think he's drunk?
    No, just the one, I am wondering
    Based on what?
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 4,382

    Andrew Neil going hard for Corbyn

    The contrast with the May interview is stark

    May has never been an apologist for those who would overthrow democratic Government.
    Unless that democratic government is in Egypt or Algeria.
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,758
    Jason said:

    Jez "I didn't support the IRA"

    Hmmmm. That is going to be tested to destruction.....

    Outright lie, I'm afraid.
    Jason said:

    Oh dear.....Corbyn sinking like a stone here

    Not really how I'm seeing it, chief. Corbyn acquitting himself OK. More interesting than May's interview.
    Being told you're a terrorist sympathiser, with justification, and you say that's going well?
    It was factored in. Everyone knows about it.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,584
    First 17 mins very difficult for Corbyn

    On easier territory now
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    Andrew Neil going hard for Corbyn

    The contrast with the May interview is stark

    Indeed.

    May was dull, boring and managed a pass.

    Jezza is not dull, not boring and managed a clusterf*ck.
  • JasonJason Posts: 1,614
    Corbyn has built the scaffold, tied the rope around his neck, and pulled the lever.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,584
    TMICIPM even more likely after tonight
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,714
    Now flailing on borrowing and bonds.....

    Poor.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,159

    Jason said:

    Jez "I didn't support the IRA"

    Hmmmm. That is going to be tested to destruction.....

    Outright lie, I'm afraid.
    Jason said:

    Oh dear.....Corbyn sinking like a stone here

    Not really how I'm seeing it, chief. Corbyn acquitting himself OK. More interesting than May's interview.
    Being told you're a terrorist sympathiser, with justification, and you say that's going well?
    It was factored in. Everyone knows about it.
    No they don't.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,088
    RobD said:

    Jason said:

    Neil eviscerating Corbyn here over the IRA.

    And now on NATO
    Neil just lied. It's the EU which has kept the west safe for decades.... :smiley:
    If you believe that then you really are a fool (I did say 'if' and hope you were being ironic)
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,573
    edited May 2017

    RobD said:

    Jason said:

    Neil eviscerating Corbyn here over the IRA.

    And now on NATO
    Neil just lied. It's the EU which has kept the west safe for decades.... :smiley:
    If you believe that then you really are a fool (I did say 'if' and hope you were being ironic)
    Sorry, was being a bit cheeky. :p
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,553
    Given the level of QE going on now, Mr Neil's questions are weak
  • JasonJason Posts: 1,614

    Jason said:

    Jez "I didn't support the IRA"

    Hmmmm. That is going to be tested to destruction.....

    Outright lie, I'm afraid.
    Jason said:

    Oh dear.....Corbyn sinking like a stone here

    Not really how I'm seeing it, chief. Corbyn acquitting himself OK. More interesting than May's interview.
    Being told you're a terrorist sympathiser, with justification, and you say that's going well?
    It was factored in. Everyone knows about it.
    Do they?
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133

    Jason said:

    Jez "I didn't support the IRA"

    Hmmmm. That is going to be tested to destruction.....

    Outright lie, I'm afraid.
    Jason said:

    Oh dear.....Corbyn sinking like a stone here

    Not really how I'm seeing it, chief. Corbyn acquitting himself OK. More interesting than May's interview.
    Being told you're a terrorist sympathiser, with justification, and you say that's going well?
    It was factored in. Everyone knows about it.
    Political geeks like us, sure.

    But the average voter?
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917
    edited May 2017

    TMICIPM even more likely after tonight

    Who is watching though? It's Friday before the bank holiday and the sun is out, the viewing figures for this must be terrible and even if it gets repeated it's unlikley to be so beyond next Tuesday, when normal life resumes.
  • bobajobPBbobajobPB Posts: 1,042

    I don't think the Andrew Neil interview tonight will help the Tories out much either...

    Corbyn hanging in there. Just about.
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    GeoffM said:

    RobD said:

    Jason said:

    Neil eviscerating Corbyn here over the IRA.

    And now on NATO
    Neil just lied. It's the EU which has kept the west safe for decades.... :smiley:
    Apart from starting a small war between Russia and Ukraine.
    By Russia invading Crimea?
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,451
    Corbyn demonstrating precisely why he is unelectable. He gifts this awful Tory government power.
  • JasonJason Posts: 1,614
    I was right. He has floundered under forensic cross examination.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,088
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Jason said:

    Neil eviscerating Corbyn here over the IRA.

    And now on NATO
    Neil just lied. It's the EU which has kept the west safe for decades.... :smiley:
    If you believe that then you really are a fool (I did say 'if' and hope you were being ironic)
    Sorry, was being a bit cheeky. :p
    I thought that was probably the case hence the additional comment :)

  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,758
    Jason said:

    Jason said:

    Jez "I didn't support the IRA"

    Hmmmm. That is going to be tested to destruction.....

    Outright lie, I'm afraid.
    Jason said:

    Oh dear.....Corbyn sinking like a stone here

    Not really how I'm seeing it, chief. Corbyn acquitting himself OK. More interesting than May's interview.
    Being told you're a terrorist sympathiser, with justification, and you say that's going well?
    It was factored in. Everyone knows about it.
    Do they?
    Er, if they don't know that Corbyn spoke to Sinn fein in the 1980s by now, they must have been living in Antarctica.
  • mattmatt Posts: 3,789

    RobD said:

    Jason said:

    Neil eviscerating Corbyn here over the IRA.

    And now on NATO
    Neil just lied. It's the EU which has kept the west safe for decades.... :smiley:
    If you believe that then you really are a fool (I did say 'if' and hope you were being ironic)
    I think we can go for ironic there.
  • bobajobPBbobajobPB Posts: 1,042
    JackW said:

    Andrew Neil going hard for Corbyn

    The contrast with the May interview is stark

    Indeed.

    May was dull, boring and managed a pass.

    Jezza is not dull, not boring and managed a clusterf*ck.
    I don't see that. Seems to be just about hanging on in there. Neil just a bit basic on the nationalisation stuff.
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917

    Corbyn demonstrating precisely why he is unelectable. He gifts this awful Tory government power.

    Well if the poll trend is to be believed he is actually giving them a run for their money.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    TMICIPM even more likely after tonight

    You must have enjoyed the 24 hour mega tory wobble though.
  • CyanCyan Posts: 1,262
    SeanT said:

    Danny565 said:

    Jason said:

    Didn't Corbyn also say he would never use a nuclear deterent anyway? So it begs the obvious question, doesn't it? His line is simply incredible, and this is the idiot his apologists would like to see preside over our defence.

    Only an idiot presses the button
    Probably true, but I do personally think we need to bluff and claim we WOULD use it to try and scare our enemies off, even if in the event we'd have no intention of actually doing so.

    I don't like Jezza's position on Trident, but it's not anywhere near enough to sway my vote, mind.
    If a rogue terrorist state like ISIS had managed to nuke, say, Bristol, and was threatening to nuke other UK cities unless we yielded, then fucking hell yes we would press the button and nuke Raqqa, hoping to wipe out their command and control, AND deter further attacks

    Yes, you DAMN WELL PRESS THE BUTTON
    And what would Daesh do if they believed that that was British policy? They wouldn't bother nuking Bristol and then making threats: they'd just nuke every British city they could. Trident is no "deterrent".

  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,553
    He survived OK and at least tried to answer rather more of the Qs than did Mrs M. And he took control of the script at the end.

    Where can we English get Leanne's interview?
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,527
    Jezza explains bonds! .. and mentions swaps!
    . . .

    JC: “If the economy is doing well the need to bring in skilled workers [via immigration] would reduce.”
    Novel idea about the demand for labour.
  • JasonJason Posts: 1,614
    bobajobPB said:

    JackW said:

    Andrew Neil going hard for Corbyn

    The contrast with the May interview is stark

    Indeed.

    May was dull, boring and managed a pass.

    Jezza is not dull, not boring and managed a clusterf*ck.
    I don't see that. Seems to be just about hanging on in there. Neil just a bit basic on the nationalisation stuff.
    Hanging the correct word - by a very long rope. He's simply not fit or capable of being PM.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,226
    GeoffM said:

    rcs1000 said:

    SeanT said:

    Danny565 said:

    Jason said:

    Didn't Corbyn also say he would never use a nuclear deterent anyway? So it begs the obvious question, doesn't it? His line is simply incredible, and this is the idiot his apologists would like to see preside over our defence.

    Only an idiot presses the button
    Probably true, but I do personally think we need to bluff and claim we WOULD use it to try and scare our enemies off, even if in the event we'd have no intention of actually doing so.

    I don't like Jezza's position on Trident, but it's not anywhere near enough to sway my vote, mind.
    If a rogue terrorist state like ISIS had managed to nuke, say, Bristol, and was threatening to nuke other UK cities unless we yielded, then fucking hell yes we would press the button and nuke Raqqa, hoping to wipe out their command and control, AND deter further attacks

    Yes, you DAMN WELL PRESS THE BUTTON
    For Bristol?

    I mean, I'd press the button for London or Cambridge or St Ives. But Bristol. Hmmmm.
    To be fair the cathedral is quite nice.
    It'd be a shame to lose that.
    The Clifton suspension bridge is also worth keeping.

    But if we could get ISIS to just target the university, it would be a Win-Win for all of us.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,573
    Not too bad from the old duffer.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,040
    edited May 2017
    My cricket-watching friends and neighbours were suprisingly pro-Labour on the manifestos this morning. May seems to have done herself no favours.
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    edited May 2017
    Uh oh from the last fifteen minutes I saw Corbyn actually don quite well.

    Somebody know if I can get a pallet of Pampers?

    edit: I missed the IRA part seems like he messed that part up.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    bobajobPB said:

    I don't think the Andrew Neil interview tonight will help the Tories out much either...

    Corbyn hanging in there. Just about.
    Your last four words were superfluous.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @DPJHodges: Apart from Trident, tax, terror, IRA, the economy and NATO he did well.
  • BannedInParisBannedInParis Posts: 2,191
    "what swedish foreign policy lead to them being attacked"

  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,573
    And I wish we could have heard what they were talking about at the end.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,584
    Strong finish for Jezza

    Much more personable than May.

    First half of interview much worse.

    May evasive Corbyn nailed on weakest issues
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,796

    TMICIPM even more likely after tonight

    TMICIPM?

    Theresa May ICI Prime Minister
  • bobajobPBbobajobPB Posts: 1,042
    I wonder what they were chatting about at the end. Corbyn survives, just about. I wonder if his beloved Arsenal will win tomorrow?
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,067
    Corbyn has performed to expectations. That's a par round for him (including handicap ofc!)
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    Scott_P said:

    @DPJHodges: Apart from Trident, tax, terror, IRA, the economy and NATO he did well.

    So speaks Glenda Jackson's bastard!
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    RobD said:

    Not too bad from the old duffer.

    A rather unwarranted attack on my recent comments ....
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Scott_P said:

    @DPJHodges: Apart from Trident, tax, terror, IRA, the economy and NATO he did well.

    so a score draw then :-)
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    GeoffM said:

    RobD said:

    Jason said:

    Neil eviscerating Corbyn here over the IRA.

    And now on NATO
    Neil just lied. It's the EU which has kept the west safe for decades.... :smiley:
    Apart from starting a small war between Russia and Ukraine.
    By Russia invading Crimea?
    No
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    murali_s said:

    Corbyn has performed to expectations.

    That bad, eh?

    I missed it, stuck at work.
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    GeoffM said:

    GeoffM said:

    RobD said:

    Jason said:

    Neil eviscerating Corbyn here over the IRA.

    And now on NATO
    Neil just lied. It's the EU which has kept the west safe for decades.... :smiley:
    Apart from starting a small war between Russia and Ukraine.
    By Russia invading Crimea?
    No
    Well, that's what started the war.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,573
    calum said:
    My thoughts too, he seemed very relaxed being interviewed. His record is another matter entirely though..
  • bobajobPBbobajobPB Posts: 1,042
    Jason said:

    bobajobPB said:

    JackW said:

    Andrew Neil going hard for Corbyn

    The contrast with the May interview is stark

    Indeed.

    May was dull, boring and managed a pass.

    Jezza is not dull, not boring and managed a clusterf*ck.
    I don't see that. Seems to be just about hanging on in there. Neil just a bit basic on the nationalisation stuff.
    Hanging the correct word - by a very long rope. He's simply not fit or capable of being PM.
    Mandy Rice-Davis is instructive here.
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,067
    Scott_P said:

    @DPJHodges: Apart from Trident, tax, terror, IRA, the economy and NATO he did well.

    Dan Hodges!! Has he done anything with his life apart from being a fully employed moron?
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917
    bobajobPB said:

    I wonder what they were chatting about at the end. Corbyn survives, just about. I wonder if his beloved Arsenal will win tomorrow?

    Arsenal? Oh dear. He just lost my vote...
  • bobajobPBbobajobPB Posts: 1,042
    nunu said:

    Uh oh from the last half hour I saw Corbyn actually don quite well.

    Somebody know if I can get a pallet of Pampers?

    The last half hour? The whole thing was only half an hour!
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,573
    JackW said:

    RobD said:

    Not too bad from the old duffer.

    A rather unwarranted attack on my recent comments ....
    Of course I would have said "from the right trusty and well-beloved duffer", if I was referring to you :D
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    bobajobPB said:

    nunu said:

    Uh oh from the last half hour I saw Corbyn actually don quite well.

    Somebody know if I can get a pallet of Pampers?

    The last half hour? The whole thing was only half an hour!
    see my edit.
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,758
    edited May 2017
    SO:If Corbyn's Labour ends up Losing by single figure percentage it could be that the constant sniping by the likes of you, John Woodcock and Angela Eagle have made the difference between a Tory Government and a viable alternative.

    And I say that as a member of another party.

  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    justin124 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @DPJHodges: Apart from Trident, tax, terror, IRA, the economy and NATO he did well.

    So speaks Glenda Jackson's bastard!
    LOL, you're a bit of a head-scratcher :)
  • bobajobPBbobajobPB Posts: 1,042

    Strong finish for Jezza

    Much more personable than May.

    First half of interview much worse.

    May evasive Corbyn nailed on weakest issues

    Your man just clung on. Might roll it over the bank holiday weekend. Enjoy it John.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,583
    Interview will only have been seen by 3m to 3.5m

    Magnitude of effect will depend upon extent to which it is followed up elsewhere.

    It's currently number 2 story on BBC News website - so it may get some clips on the BBC1 10pm News.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,553
    bobajobPB said:

    nunu said:

    Uh oh from the last half hour I saw Corbyn actually don quite well.

    Somebody know if I can get a pallet of Pampers?

    The last half hour? The whole thing was only half an hour!
    And he was just beginning to enjoy himself as well
  • bobajobPBbobajobPB Posts: 1,042
    RobD said:

    And I wish we could have heard what they were talking about at the end.

    Ha! Agreed.
  • SandraMSandraM Posts: 206
    justin124 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @DPJHodges: Apart from Trident, tax, terror, IRA, the economy and NATO he did well.

    So speaks Glenda Jackson's bastard!
    That is quite unnecessary. She was married when she had Dan.

  • alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    Re the novel interpretation about Government borrowing and bonds. Is the idea that they will buy shareholders out with bonds (as opposed presumably with Cash) which they are forbidden from selling or something?

    Buy it with Cash = "borrowing". Buy it with "bonds that can't be sold" = paid for out of future revenues
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @DavidDPaxton: All those that said he spoke to the IRA to promote peace now need to adjust their argument to "He never met the IRA". Best of luck. x
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,584
    Have said several times last nights YG was Labs high point.
  • JasonJason Posts: 1,614
    Come on, that was a disaster, especially the terrorist and defence stuff. What will stick in your mind most - his flannel about 'hope', or the fact that he commemorated the death of IRA soldiers, and outright denied he supported the IRA? Trident?

    That was a disaster for Corbyn.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,523
    Good evening, everyone.

    Was curious to see what others made of the interview. I agree with the consensus. Corbyn could've been worse (got a bit testy here and there but not to a serious degree) but he did look bad on terrorism and Trident.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,553

    SO:If Corbyn's Labour ends up Losing by single figure percentage it could be that the constant sniping by the likes of you, John Woodcock and Angela Eagle have made the difference between a Tory Government and a viable alternative.

    And I say that as a member of another party.

    As a reasonably neutral observer I have to say that Labour's so-called rebel moderates' judgement looks even worse in hindsight than it did at the time.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 21,953
    edited May 2017
    Jezza's lucky most people will either be watching Emmerdale Farm or out and about enjoying the sunshine...
  • alex.alex. Posts: 4,658

    SO:If Corbyn's Labour ends up Losing by single figure percentage it could be that the constant sniping by the likes of you, John Woodcock and Angela Eagle have made the difference between a Tory Government and a viable alternative.

    And I say that as a member of another party.

    I don't think SO believes a Corbyn government is a viable alternative. He doesn't oppose him purely because of his electability or otherwise.
  • bobajobPBbobajobPB Posts: 1,042
    RobD said:

    Not too bad from the old duffer.

    A decent shift. I just fancy a tussle. The Tories will win but at least let's make a fight of it. Walkovers are boring, and decidedly un-British.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 21,953
    justin124 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @DPJHodges: Apart from Trident, tax, terror, IRA, the economy and NATO he did well.

    So speaks Glenda Jackson's bastard!
    :open_mouth:
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,553
    Jason said:

    Come on, that was a disaster, especially the terrorist and defence stuff. What will stick in your mind most - his flannel about 'hope', or the fact that he commemorated the death of IRA soldiers, and outright denied he supported the IRA? Trident?

    That was a disaster for Corbyn.

    No spinning here...
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    bobajobPB said:

    Jason said:

    bobajobPB said:

    JackW said:

    Andrew Neil going hard for Corbyn

    The contrast with the May interview is stark

    Indeed.

    May was dull, boring and managed a pass.

    Jezza is not dull, not boring and managed a clusterf*ck.
    I don't see that. Seems to be just about hanging on in there. Neil just a bit basic on the nationalisation stuff.
    Hanging the correct word - by a very long rope. He's simply not fit or capable of being PM.
    Mandy Rice-Davis is instructive here.
    Marrying three times and converting to Judaism?
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,758
    Jason said:

    Come on, that was a disaster, especially the terrorist and defence stuff. What will stick in your mind most - his flannel about 'hope', or the fact that he commemorated the death of IRA soldiers, and outright denied he supported the IRA? Trident?

    That was a disaster for Corbyn.

    It really wasn't. You've all been shouting IRA for weeks and he's been improving in the polls. It's all out there. Here's a tip. You need to focus on the things that affect peoples day to day life more, not cartoony politics.

    Wages, House Prices, Hospitals.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    SO:If Corbyn's Labour ends up Losing by single figure percentage it could be that the constant sniping by the likes of you, John Woodcock and Angela Eagle have made the difference between a Tory Government and a viable alternative.

    And I say that as a member of another party.

    Perhaps SO cares about his country?
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,758
    alex. said:

    SO:If Corbyn's Labour ends up Losing by single figure percentage it could be that the constant sniping by the likes of you, John Woodcock and Angela Eagle have made the difference between a Tory Government and a viable alternative.

    And I say that as a member of another party.

    I don't think SO believes a Corbyn government is a viable alternative. He doesn't oppose him purely because of his electability or otherwise.
    Maybe he should join the liberal democrats then?
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,451

    SO:If Corbyn's Labour ends up Losing by single figure percentage it could be that the constant sniping by the likes of you, John Woodcock and Angela Eagle have made the difference between a Tory Government and a viable alternative.

    And I say that as a member of another party.

    What will do for Corbyn is Corbyn no-one else. You cannot hold the views he does and hope to win general elections.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,553
    alex. said:

    Re the novel interpretation about Government borrowing and bonds. Is the idea that they will buy shareholders out with bonds (as opposed presumably with Cash) which they are forbidden from selling or something?

    Buy it with Cash = "borrowing". Buy it with "bonds that can't be sold" = paid for out of future revenues

    Acquiring those industries that make a decent return isn't necessarily a mistake in purely financial terms.

    Meanwhile your defence of the government's QE programme is?
  • alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    I think that by focussing such a large part of the interview on security and the IRA, Neil missed a lot of opportunities to examine his economic proposals. Not enough time. The clip on borrowing vs bonds alone showed the potential for him to sound very silly.
  • bobajobPBbobajobPB Posts: 1,042

    bobajobPB said:

    I wonder what they were chatting about at the end. Corbyn survives, just about. I wonder if his beloved Arsenal will win tomorrow?

    Arsenal? Oh dear. He just lost my vote...
    :smiley:
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,067
    edited May 2017
    Jason said:

    Come on, that was a disaster, especially the terrorist and defence stuff. What will stick in your mind most - his flannel about 'hope', or the fact that he commemorated the death of IRA soldiers, and outright denied he supported the IRA? Trident?

    That was a disaster for Corbyn.

    LOL. And so says the most rabid of PB Tory!
  • JasonJason Posts: 1,614
    IanB2 said:

    Jason said:

    Come on, that was a disaster, especially the terrorist and defence stuff. What will stick in your mind most - his flannel about 'hope', or the fact that he commemorated the death of IRA soldiers, and outright denied he supported the IRA? Trident?

    That was a disaster for Corbyn.

    No spinning here...
    It's an opinion I believe will be shared by a lot of undecided and waverers. No matter, he's got paxman next week then a public grilling on QT. No need to worry, though.

    HE WASN'T AN IRA SYMPATHISER, HONEST GOV.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,583
    Technical Q:

    If Corbyn was PM with a Lab Majority Govt, could he cancel Trident?

    ie would it need a vote in the Commons - on which lots of Lab backbenchers would surely rebel - thus preventing the vote passing.

    Or could it be done without a vote - basically by just cutting off the funding for it?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,553

    SO:If Corbyn's Labour ends up Losing by single figure percentage it could be that the constant sniping by the likes of you, John Woodcock and Angela Eagle have made the difference between a Tory Government and a viable alternative.

    And I say that as a member of another party.

    What will do for Corbyn is Corbyn no-one else. You cannot hold the views he does and hope to win general elections.
    Not expect, probably. This week they can at least hope, which wasn't the case last week.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,573
    IanB2 said:

    alex. said:

    Re the novel interpretation about Government borrowing and bonds. Is the idea that they will buy shareholders out with bonds (as opposed presumably with Cash) which they are forbidden from selling or something?

    Buy it with Cash = "borrowing". Buy it with "bonds that can't be sold" = paid for out of future revenues

    Acquiring those industries that make a decent return isn't necessarily a mistake in purely financial terms.

    Meanwhile your defence of the government's QE programme is?
    Is the BoE independent in these matters, or is QE a government program? I wonder if it will ever be rolled up. I think it's around £300bn.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,225
    justin124 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @DPJHodges: Apart from Trident, tax, terror, IRA, the economy and NATO he did well.

    So speaks Glenda Jackson's bastard!
    You seem to have a strange interest in female politicians and their offspring.

    In any case I believe Dan Hodges is the legitimate issue of Glenda Jackson and her then husband Roy Hodges.
  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382
    bobajobPB said:

    RobD said:

    Not too bad from the old duffer.

    A decent shift. I just fancy a tussle. The Tories will win but at least let's make a fight of it. Walkovers are boring, and decidedly un-British.
    Yes he is a lot better than I thought in a long interview ,A definite improvement on the short clips he got on the news a couple of years ago.
  • blueblueblueblue Posts: 875

    blueblue said:

    SeanT said:

    blueblue said:

    surbiton said:

    Scott_P said:
    Bit too late for that kind of broadside.
    Not too late to piss on Labour's appeasement parade.
    The last two weeks the Tories have to focus relentlessly and loudly on Trident, security, terror, immigration and Brexit. Far, far too much of this campaign has been fought, because of Tory errors, on natural Labour issues. LIKE FUCKING DEMENTIA TAXES AND WINTER FUEL ALLOWANCES

    Grrr.
    Agreed. But the Boris + May broadsides are actually pretty hard-hitting, and a great start. Now just have every Tory MP and media outlet repeat them 100 times a day for the next 12 days.
    Boris and May are as hard hitting as a wet blancmange , Mr and Mrs Weak and Wobbly
    Don't you support the Lib Dems? They aspire to the status of a blancmange, let alone that of a vertebrate ;)
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