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Jason said:

MarqueeMark said:

All the Tories need to do to restart campaigning is to have a poster with pictures of May and Corbyn and a caption "Which one makes you most secure?"

Followed up with some choice quotes from McDonnell and Abbot.

Then sit back for a fortnight.

I'm not sure the Tories will go for that now, but they don't really need to. The Sun and the Mail will do it for them.

I reckon by the end of the campaign, every single person eligible to vote will know, in detail, everything Corbyn, Abbott & McDonnell ever said and did.

And their judgement will be severe.

I thought you were joking until I searched for it! McDonnell seems to have form of saying something/supporting it and then later when asked about it claiming he did no such thing. I mean the man is recorded on video saying these controversial views and still denies it. He is a liar. The public needs to be made aware of this as I had no idea.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/nov/19/john-mcdonnell-denies-backing-call-to-end-mi5-and-disarm-police

freetochoose said:

Completely agree with the thread header, I said yesterday morning I wanted to see what May and Corbyn are like in a crisis. As it stands I'm very disappointed with both.

What have they failed to do? I am asking just out of interest.

MTimT said:

bigjohnowls said:

MTimT said:

bigjohnowls said:

Pulpstar said:

bigjohnowls said:

looks like a good day out for TSE

Surely just need AB

Andy Burnham ?

AB 45 NO

Andy Burnham celebrating his 45th birthday in New Orleans?

ABICIMOM

ABDV not so much

The sad thing is I understood that! Too much PB

I had my pint of Guinness on the keyboard it appears to have typed random capital letters!!!!

The_Taxman said:

freetochoose said:

Completely agree with the thread header, I said yesterday morning I wanted to see what May and Corbyn are like in a crisis. As it stands I'm very disappointed with both.

What have they failed to do? I am asking just out of interest.

Unless I've missed something both have failed to tell us what they will do to prevent further attacks. As distressing as it all is it comes as no surprise but it seems neither has a clue how to respond.

Rufus Hound desperately backpedalling after diving off the deep end of the Alex Jones/Corbynista tin hat springboard on tw@tter.

RobD said:

MarqueeMark said:

All the Tories need to do to restart campaigning is to have a poster with pictures of May and Corbyn and a caption "Which one makes you most secure?"

Followed up with some choice quotes from McDonnell and Abbot.

Then sit back for a fortnight.

Or just dig out the quote of Abbott wanting to disband the security services.

Andrew Neil can do that.

"Mr Corbyn, do you want to disband the security services?"

"No, of course not!"

"So, you are at odds with Diane Abbot. Diane Abbot who is your Shadow Home Secretary. The person who would be in charge of national security...."

"No, she -"

"Let me quote her words, verbatim Mr Corbyn............."

freetochoose said:

The_Taxman said:

freetochoose said:

Completely agree with the thread header, I said yesterday morning I wanted to see what May and Corbyn are like in a crisis. As it stands I'm very disappointed with both.

What have they failed to do? I am asking just out of interest.

Unless I've missed something both have failed to tell us what they will do to prevent further attacks. As distressing as it all is it comes as no surprise but it seems neither has a clue how to respond.

What do you think they should do?

The_Taxman said:

freetochoose said:

The_Taxman said:

freetochoose said:

Completely agree with the thread header, I said yesterday morning I wanted to see what May and Corbyn are like in a crisis. As it stands I'm very disappointed with both.

What have they failed to do? I am asking just out of interest.

Unless I've missed something both have failed to tell us what they will do to prevent further attacks. As distressing as it all is it comes as no surprise but it seems neither has a clue how to respond.

What do you think they should do?

I think they should tell us what they will do to prevent further attacks. One of them will be PM in a matter of weeks, unless I've missed something they're both hiding.

@MrTCHarris: It's genuinely scary to think these idiots actually have a vote. (H/T @MsPerson) https://twitter.com/MsPerson/status/867470981744480256/photo/1

That was a convincing win for England after an early wobble.

Is Eoin Morgan an honorary member of the Conservative party (despite being Irish)?

Rooney coming on for last few minutes

Well keep the Red Flag flying high belting out.

Is that allowed?

The council writes... "Dear [me]. I'm writing to let you know that your recent application to be added to the electoral register has been successful. You will be added to the Register on 1 June 2017 unless there is an election before that date"

Do they know something I don't?!

eek said:

freetochoose said:

The_Taxman said:

freetochoose said:

The_Taxman said:

freetochoose said:

Completely agree with the thread header, I said yesterday morning I wanted to see what May and Corbyn are like in a crisis. As it stands I'm very disappointed with both.

What have they failed to do? I am asking just out of interest.

Unless I've missed something both have failed to tell us what they will do to prevent further attacks. As distressing as it all is it comes as no surprise but it seems neither has a clue how to respond.

What do you think they should do?

I think they should tell us what they will do to prevent further attacks. One of them will be PM in a matter of weeks, unless I've missed something they're both hiding.

If you say how you will prevent attacks, you tell the terrorists some ways in which they would otherwise have been stopped.

Careless Talk costs lives and stating what is being done is careless talk...

Good point, lets just throw our hands in the air.

Meanwhile the electorate wants to know how we can stop nutters murdering our children and who would be the best person to run the country right now.

Neither, is my conclusion.

@PickardJE: And apparently the three Brexiteers - Fox, Boris, Davis - all pretty safe for now

bigjohnowls said:

Some 20,000 police jobs have been cut since the Conservatives came to power in 2010 and budgets slashed by around 4% every year when May was Home Secretary.

How many of that 20,000 were beat coppers?

AnneJGP said:

bigjohnowls said:

Theresa May’s Police Cuts Exposed By Manchester Bombing Army Deployment - Police Federation
After 20,000 jobs lost, ‘we simply do not have the resources’

Vote Labour & shut us down completely?

What are you talking about

freetochoose said:

eek said:

freetochoose said:

The_Taxman said:

freetochoose said:

The_Taxman said:

freetochoose said:

Completely agree with the thread header, I said yesterday morning I wanted to see what May and Corbyn are like in a crisis. As it stands I'm very disappointed with both.

What have they failed to do? I am asking just out of interest.

Unless I've missed something both have failed to tell us what they will do to prevent further attacks. As distressing as it all is it comes as no surprise but it seems neither has a clue how to respond.

What do you think they should do?

I think they should tell us what they will do to prevent further attacks. One of them will be PM in a matter of weeks, unless I've missed something they're both hiding.

If you say how you will prevent attacks, you tell the terrorists some ways in which they would otherwise have been stopped.

Careless Talk costs lives and stating what is being done is careless talk...

Good point, lets just throw our hands in the air.

Meanwhile the electorate wants to know how we can stop nutters murdering our children and who would be the best person to run the country right now.

Neither, is my conclusion.

Well you're free to choose whoever is standing in your constituency. And if you don't think they're good enough stump up £500, and run yourself.

@Justin124

Actually The Daily Mirror was Hitler's favourite paper, and well they are now supporting Corbyn, coincidence? I think not.

What is less well known......The Daily Mirror was just as pro-fascist. On Monday, 22 January, 1934 the Mirror ran the headline "Give the Blackshirts a helping hand". The paper went one further than the Mail, urging readers to join Mosley's British Union of Fascists, and giving the address to which to send membership applications.

"As a purely British organisation, the Blackshirts will respect those principles of tolerance which are traditional in British politics," the Mirror told readers, complaining that "timid alarmists" had "been whimpering that the rapid growth in numbers of the British Blackshirts is preparing the way for a system of rulership by means of steel whips and concentration camps".

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/revealed-the-fascist-past-of-the-daily-mirror-77871.html

kjh said:

RobD said:

kjh said:

RobD thanks for the reply on the previous thread - appreciated.

I'm wondering why it (2nd pref to fptp) is in the manifesto. It raises issues on voting systems which will be debated again and which for the time being were completely dead and for types of elections where it is pretty impossible to put up an argument for fptp.

Just asking for trouble where none was present.

Yes, I was quite surprised it was included. Perhaps the view is that all elections should be conducted using the same voting system?

Reply to Philip as well who made the same point as Rob:

But it won't will it. We will still have STV and Constituencies with top ups (although neither in England). Guess we have got rid of lists by default.

I have to say (personal view point) that the experiment with these systems seemed designed to fail by bringing in the worst possible types. 2nd preference seemed to be have a go at PR and then change your mind after the first round and resort to fptp, which to me seems odd and lists are just awful for so many reasons.

Until recently since Labour started meddling with different voting systems we've had FPTP (historical, Westminster), PR (European Parliament) and Secondary Vote (Mayors), with a rejected referendum to change to AV. People are getting in the habit of having different voting systems. Voting systems is not just the preserve of cranks but instead discussed every time one of those votes happens.

In England at least PR is set to be abolished by removing the European Parliament elections, now Secondary Vote is being abolished. The only habitual voting system that about 90% of the UK will have is FPTP. Voting systems is going to be a discussion for eccentrics and the minor nations.

Philip_Thompson said:

kjh said:

RobD said:

kjh said:

RobD thanks for the reply on the previous thread - appreciated.

I'm wondering why it (2nd pref to fptp) is in the manifesto. It raises issues on voting systems which will be debated again and which for the time being were completely dead and for types of elections where it is pretty impossible to put up an argument for fptp.

Just asking for trouble where none was present.

Yes, I was quite surprised it was included. Perhaps the view is that all elections should be conducted using the same voting system?

Reply to Philip as well who made the same point as Rob:

But it won't will it. We will still have STV and Constituencies with top ups (although neither in England). Guess we have got rid of lists by default.

I have to say (personal view point) that the experiment with these systems seemed designed to fail by bringing in the worst possible types. 2nd preference seemed to be have a go at PR and then change your mind after the first round and resort to fptp, which to me seems odd and lists are just awful for so many reasons.

Until recently since Labour started meddling with different voting systems we've had FPTP (historical, Westminster), PR (European Parliament) and Secondary Vote (Mayors), with a rejected referendum to change to AV. People are getting in the habit of having different voting systems. Voting systems is not just the preserve of cranks but instead discussed every time one of those votes happens.

In England at least PR is set to be abolished by removing the European Parliament elections, now Secondary Vote is being abolished. The only habitual voting system that about 90% of the UK will have is FPTP. Voting systems is going to be a discussion for eccentrics and the minor nations.

Northern Ireland has had STV for local elections for a very long time. Possibly from its creation or very soon after, although ICBW on that.

bigjohnowls said:

AnneJGP said:

bigjohnowls said:

Theresa May’s Police Cuts Exposed By Manchester Bombing Army Deployment - Police Federation
After 20,000 jobs lost, ‘we simply do not have the resources’

Vote Labour & shut us down completely?

What are you talking about

One of two options may not seem a very good choice. It doesn't necessarily follow that the second option is a better choice; it could be even worse.

In the middle of a GE campaign, a statement like that from a union like the Police Federation is not simply putting pressure on Mrs May to increase police funding. It is offering the cuts as a reason not to vote for her party.

It follows therefore that the Police Federation would prefer Ms Abbott as Home Secretary: a lady who has said she wants the British state to be defeated.

https://twitter.com/NickKehoeTV/status/867313187246542848

Also applies to Army,RN,RAF,NHS, Border Service, Fire Service

All while threat was severe

bigjohnowls said:

https://twitter.com/NickKehoeTV/status/867313187246542848

Also applies to Army,RN,RAF,NHS, Border Service, Fire Service

All while threat was severe

When funding was much higher we had the London tube bombings, and when would chucking money at the armed forces have stopped terrorism?
Counter terrorism is concentrated on the intelligence services, the police are just there for the raids.

AnneJGP said:

bigjohnowls said:

AnneJGP said:

bigjohnowls said:

Theresa May’s Police Cuts Exposed By Manchester Bombing Army Deployment - Police Federation
After 20,000 jobs lost, ‘we simply do not have the resources’

Vote Labour & shut us down completely?

What are you talking about

One of two options may not seem a very good choice. It doesn't necessarily follow that the second option is a better choice; it could be even worse.

In the middle of a GE campaign, a statement like that from a union like the Police Federation is not simply putting pressure on Mrs May to increase police funding. It is offering the cuts as a reason not to vote for her party.

It follows therefore that the Police Federation would prefer Ms Abbott as Home Secretary: a lady who has said she wants the British state to be defeated.

In his autobiography, Tony Blair described the Police Staff Federation as the strongest and most well organised trade union in the country.

I doubt it would give any Home Secretary an easy time.

Philip_Thompson said:

bigjohnowls said:

https://twitter.com/NickKehoeTV/status/867313187246542848

Also applies to Army,RN,RAF,NHS, Border Service, Fire Service

All while threat was severe

Remember Labour increasing Police numbers sustainably with an even budget that wasn't in deficit?

No, me neither.

Well they did up to 2008

bigjohnowls said:

Philip_Thompson said:

bigjohnowls said:

https://twitter.com/NickKehoeTV/status/867313187246542848

Also applies to Army,RN,RAF,NHS, Border Service, Fire Service

All while threat was severe

Remember Labour increasing Police numbers sustainably with an even budget that wasn't in deficit?

No, me neither.

Well they did up to 2008

There was no deficit before 2008?

Well said Mike.

https://twitter.com/samgadjones/status/867488689135513600

@samgadjones: Upshot of a few conversations in past hour: UK security types are astonished about US leaks over Manchester.

@samgadjones: Genuine concerns that the details getting out there will impede investigations and could endanger British lives.

@samgadjones: Some in Whitehall are discussing possibility of not sharing everything with the US. A remarkable departure from years of CT work post 9/11

FrancisUrquhart said:

And we were worried about Trump and his big mouth....

Apparently he blurted out more secrets at the Vatican today

leomckinstry said:

Ishmael_Z said:

justin124 said:

Ideal time for Labour to respond to Mail with the 'Adolf Hitler's favourite British newspaper' jibe.

Sure, because why wouldn't they want the Mail to come back with the response that that is so twattish, even the Guardian realises it is twattish, and btw and while we've got you in the studio, are there any issues on which large numbers of Labour party members would have seen eye to eye with good old Adolf?

Any issues at all?

edit to add https://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2011/dec/06/dailymail-oswald-mosley

It was the Corbyn-supporting Daily Mirror which published an infamous article in January 1934, headlined "Give the Blackshirts a helping hand."

That's because at that point it was owned by the same fascist that owned the Mail. If eg Rupe owned the Mirror now, it would doubtless be crawling up the arse of whichever ghastly politician he required it to.

SeanT said:

Here's a very relevant modern-day dilemma, PB

I have a Muslim dry-cleaner, here in Camden. The patriarch and his sons run the shop, sometimes I see the daughters helping out. They've always been quite amiable, but they always maintain a distance. They aren't chatty. There is perhaps a hint of disdain for the Kaffir clientele, but that could just be me being paranoid. They clean my shirts very well. We all smile politely.

ANYWAY in recent months the family has changed. One of the sons has grown a VERY long beard and now dresses traditionally. He doesn't talk to me or any customers any more. The cowed and obedient daughters have disappeared entirely. Sometimes when I walk in the patriarch is playing videos on his iPhone which sound - to my ears - like ranting preachers. But it is in Arabic so I have no idea whether it is hate preaching, or just impassioned devotion. He hastily turns it off when I walk in.

Clearly this family has become more conservatively religious. But are they showing signs of being radicalised? My British instinct, my London instinct, is to shrug my shoulders and let them get on with their lives. Live and let live.

But what if that is wrong thing to do? Maybe I should mention to the police that this family is worth watching? Or is that a ludicrous waste of police time, and a betrayal of a perfectly respectable Muslim family who work hard and pay their taxes and are always polite?

What would you do?

Report it.

HaroldO said:

bigjohnowls said:

https://twitter.com/NickKehoeTV/status/867313187246542848

Also applies to Army,RN,RAF,NHS, Border Service, Fire Service

All while threat was severe

When funding was much higher we had the London tube bombings, and when would chucking money at the armed forces have stopped terrorism?
Counter terrorism is concentrated on the intelligence services, the police are just there for the raids.

That's not fair. As I laid out up thread, you're quite right that the "cuts" haven't affected CT policing (and mostly just helped rationalise away back office jobs that never should have been unformed or were replicated in neighbouring forces) but this week of all weeks we should recognise the hard work and professionalism of the Met Counter Terrorism Command and the important role of many national police forces in preventing terror plots over the years.

TheScreamingEagles said:

twitter.com/BBCHelenaLee/status/867490853320892416

As they say, the security services have to be right every time, they only have to get lucky once. It was only 2-3 weeks ago that they took down somebody in the middle of London, who appeared to be on his way to carry on an attack and we were saying how great they are.

SeanT said:

steve_garner said:

SeanT said:

Here's a very relevant modern-day dilemma, PB

I have a Muslim dry-cleaner, here in Camden. The patriarch and his sons run the shop, sometimes I see the daughters helping out. They've always been quite amiable, but they always maintain a distance. They aren't chatty. There is perhaps a hint of disdain for the Kaffir clientele, but that could just be me being paranoid. They clean my shirts very well. We all smile politely.

ANYWAY in recent months the family has changed. One of the sons has grown a VERY long beard and now dresses traditionally. He doesn't talk to me or any customers any more. The cowed and obedient daughters have disappeared entirely. Sometimes when I walk in the patriarch is playing videos on his iPhone which sound - to my ears - like ranting preachers. But it is in Arabic so I have no idea whether it is hate preaching, or just impassioned devotion. He hastily turns it off when I walk in.

Clearly this family has become more conservatively religious. But are they showing signs of being radicalised? My British instinct, my London instinct, is to shrug my shoulders and let them get on with their lives. Live and let live.

But what if that is wrong thing to do? Maybe I should mention to the police that this family is worth watching? Or is that a ludicrous waste of police time, and a betrayal of a perfectly respectable Muslim family who work hard and pay their taxes and are always polite?

What would you do?

If you have suspicions you should report them.

Interesting. 99% of me is inclined the other way. What business is it of mine what they believe? They are unfailingly polite. They've done nothing to annoy or harm or even irritate me. It seems and feels wrong to report any of them. I also have no concrete eye-witness evidence of anything.

And yet, after Manchester...

Hmm.

That's why we have the security services to make these judgements for us. I guess the only thing you should be worried about is would it be adding an unnecessary burden on them to investigate your concerns.

SeanT said:

Here's a very relevant modern-day dilemma, PB

I have a Muslim dry-cleaner, here in Camden. The patriarch and his sons run the shop, sometimes I see the daughters helping out. They've always been quite amiable, but they always maintain a distance. They aren't chatty. There is perhaps a hint of disdain for the Kaffir clientele, but that could just be me being paranoid. They clean my shirts very well. We all smile politely.

ANYWAY in recent months the family has changed. One of the sons has grown a VERY long beard and now dresses traditionally. He doesn't talk to me or any customers any more. The cowed and obedient daughters have disappeared entirely. Sometimes when I walk in the patriarch is playing videos on his iPhone which sound - to my ears - like ranting preachers. But it is in Arabic so I have no idea whether it is hate preaching, or just impassioned devotion. He hastily turns it off when I walk in.

Clearly this family has become more conservatively religious. But are they showing signs of being radicalised? My British instinct, my London instinct, is to shrug my shoulders and let them get on with their lives. Live and let live.

But what if that is wrong thing to do? Maybe I should mention to the police that this family is worth watching? Or is that a ludicrous waste of police time, and a betrayal of a perfectly respectable Muslim family who work hard and pay their taxes and are always polite?

What would you do?

Ultimately that's why we have a number you can call. If they only get you reporting what you've laid out there, they will do nothing. But if someone has also reported the daughters missing from school, or the shop owner takes an interest in a broader range of chemicals than could be used for dry cleaning, etc. etc. then all of those intelligence points will be put together and someone may have a look.

So if you think it feels wrong, report it.

RobD said:

I guess the only thing you should be worried about is would it be adding an unnecessary burden on them to investigate your concerns.

Except he isn't. This is their job. We all need to be vigilant.

Well said Mike.

bigjohnowls said:

Philip_Thompson said:

bigjohnowls said:

https://twitter.com/NickKehoeTV/status/867313187246542848

Also applies to Army,RN,RAF,NHS, Border Service, Fire Service

All while threat was severe

Remember Labour increasing Police numbers sustainably with an even budget that wasn't in deficit?

No, me neither.

Well they did up to 2008

You seem to need to understand the concept of "sustainable". HINT: Labour and sustainable are never on speaking terms.

SeanT said:

Here's a very relevant modern-day dilemma, PB

I have a Muslim dry-cleaner, here in Camden. The patriarch and his sons run the shop, sometimes I see the daughters helping out. They've always been quite amiable, but they always maintain a distance. They aren't chatty. There is perhaps a hint of disdain for the Kaffir clientele, but that could just be me being paranoid. They clean my shirts very well. We all smile politely.

ANYWAY in recent months the family has changed. One of the sons has grown a VERY long beard and now dresses traditionally. He doesn't talk to me or any customers any more. The cowed and obedient daughters have disappeared entirely. Sometimes when I walk in the patriarch is playing videos on his iPhone which sound - to my ears - like ranting preachers. But it is in Arabic so I have no idea whether it is hate preaching, or just impassioned devotion. He hastily turns it off when I walk in.

Clearly this family has become more conservatively religious. But are they showing signs of being radicalised? My British instinct, my London instinct, is to shrug my shoulders and let them get on with their lives. Live and let live.

But what if that is wrong thing to do? Maybe I should mention to the police that this family is worth watching? Or is that a ludicrous waste of police time, and a betrayal of a perfectly respectable Muslim family who work hard and pay their taxes and are always polite?

What would you do?

Call it in.

It's like all those ads on the Tube telling you if you see anything suspicious, report it. They aren't kidding.

Chances are they are doing nothing wrong, Ask yourself if you could live with the consequences if they are.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/may/24/theresa-may-to-tackle-donald-trump-over-manchester-bombing-evidence

Good. But she should publicly condemn the leak. Especially the leak of the name so early in the investigation.

From their live blog, a Whitehall source:

We are furious. This is completely unacceptable. These images leaked from inside the US system will be distressing for victims, their families and the wider public. The issue is being raised at every relevant level by the British authorities with their US counterparts.

So...a big incident between Britain and the US. And the BBC reports the response from the mayor of Manchester. I don't want to hear the damned mayor of Manchester. I want to hear mophead Johnson. Where is he? Might awarding him too much exposure damage Tory election chances? Or does his US citizenship give him a conflict of interest?

Seems that the publication of the photos in the NYT was designed to swamp the earlier naming issue.

I withdraw my support for Theresa May's decision to give an increased role to the army. It's typical of the people who run Britain: in times of trouble, let's all think of the royal family. Buckingham Palace is already protected by the army, and by Israeli software. Soldiers should be sent to shopping centres, transport hubs, football matches, and other entertainment events.

Is even a single newspaper asking how Ramadan Abedi managed to get into the foyer and explode the bomb?

Who did the security? Were all the security staff SIA approved? Is there any involvement of gangsters in security at the Manchester Arena? (And is the Pope Catholic?)

Talking of Israel...while no decent person respects the right of that Nazi-style ethnic supremacist regime to exist, it has to be recognised that security at such events on territory controlled by that regime is far superior to security in Britain.

SeanT said:

steve_garner said:

SeanT said:

Here's a very relevant modern-day dilemma, PB

I have a Muslim dry-cleaner, here in Camden. The patriarch and his sons run the shop, sometimes I see the daughters helping out. They've always been quite amiable, but they always maintain a distance. They aren't chatty. There is perhaps a hint of disdain for the Kaffir clientele, but that could just be me being paranoid. They clean my shirts very well. We all smile politely.

ANYWAY in recent months the family has changed. One of the sons has grown a VERY long beard and now dresses traditionally. He doesn't talk to me or any customers any more. The cowed and obedient daughters have disappeared entirely. Sometimes when I walk in the patriarch is playing videos on his iPhone which sound - to my ears - like ranting preachers. But it is in Arabic so I have no idea whether it is hate preaching, or just impassioned devotion. He hastily turns it off when I walk in.

Clearly this family has become more conservatively religious. But are they showing signs of being radicalised? My British instinct, my London instinct, is to shrug my shoulders and let them get on with their lives. Live and let live.

But what if that is wrong thing to do? Maybe I should mention to the police that this family is worth watching? Or is that a ludicrous waste of police time, and a betrayal of a perfectly respectable Muslim family who work hard and pay their taxes and are always polite?

What would you do?

If you have suspicions you should report them.

Interesting. 99% of me is inclined the other way. What business is it of mine what they believe? They are unfailingly polite. They've done nothing to annoy or harm or even irritate me. It seems and feels wrong to report any of them. I also have no concrete eye-witness evidence of anything.

And yet, after Manchester...

Hmm.

The mini-max regret decision method might apply here.

Cyan said:

So...a big incident between Britain and the US. And the BBC reports the response from the mayor of Manchester. I don't want to hear the damned mayor of Manchester. I want to hear mophead Johnson. Where is he? Might awarding him too much exposure damage Tory election chances? Or does his US citizenship give him a conflict of interest?

Seems that the publication of the photos in the NYT was designed to swamp the earlier naming issue.

I withdraw my support for Theresa May's decision to give an increased role to the army. It's typical of the people who run Britain: in times of trouble, let's all think of the royal family. Buckingham Palace is already protected by the army, and by Israeli software. Soldiers should be sent to shopping centres, transport hubs, football matches, and other entertainment events.

Is even a single newspaper asking how Ramadan Abedi managed to get into the foyer and explode the bomb?

Who did the security? Were all the security staff SIA approved? Is there any involvement of gangsters in security at the Manchester Arena? (And is the Pope Catholic?)

Talking of Israel...while no decent person respects the right of that Nazi-style ethnic supremacist regime to exist, it has to be recognised that security at such events on territory controlled by that regime is far superior to security in Britain.

Rudd and Fallon have already expressed their disappointment. Suspect that will go up another notch with the release of those photos.

FrancisUrquhart said:

bigjohnowls is willing to pound the pavement to drum up support a bunch of terrorist sympathizers, Marxists, Communists, Antisemites and holocaust deniers and willing to lie to peoples faces about losing their homes....when most sensible Labour posters on here are utterly appalled by Team Twat and just pray to be able to get the sensible decent party they support back.

How do you define sensible Labour posters? Ah, people you agree with?

I'm pounding pavements for Labour too, by the way, so are thousands of perfectly decent people who don't happen to agree with you, and most of us disagree with your characterisation. What's the point of ranting at people in other parties on PB? Do you hope to persuade us? If we harangue you in turn about the wicked Tories, will we persuade you? Nah, it'll just make PB tedious.