75% of OAPs own homes of average value £240k. 70% of us will need care. Therefore, 52% face losing their homes under Tory Dementia Tax plan.
Brilliant Labour arithmetic, ignoring both the figures (70% of us will need how much care?), and the policy (no-one loses their home under the Tory social care plan).
Do you actually believe all the rubbish you post on this, or are you trolling?
It is sometimes said that we get the politicians we deserve... do we really deserve this lot?
The Americans had a choice between Trump and Clinton, nobody deserves that. Trump & Clinton out of a population of 350m vs. Corbyn and May out of a population of 68m. I'm not sure where that puts the UK on the "idiots per head of population" index.
It's been quite a while since I voted "for" somebody with any great enthusiasm, usually I vote for the least worst option. It seems this election will be no different.
Brave Sir Robin ran away. Bravely ran away away. When danger reared its ugly head, He bravely turned his tail and fled. Yes, brave Sir Robin turned about And gallantly he chickened out. Swiftly taking to his feet, He beat a very brave retreat. Bravest of the brave, Sir Robin!
@cerismith: So... Is this cap going to be the £85K rumoured pre manifesto, the £72K consulted on in 2015, or the £35k Dilnot proposed in 2011?
Very true Scott.To be fair you are one who does not follow the leader come what may.
If you've read this board over the past 4 days and detected "PB tories who follow the leader come what may" - could you identify one, with supporting quotes?
And I think the Neil interview tonight could actually be more brutal than it might have been half an hour ago.
In more reflective terms I remember us pb Tories getting all terribly excited on Bigotgate Day but it didn't result in a wipeout for Brown; it hardly had any traction at all with the voting public. This might blow over too.
Andrew Neil, who will be now preparing for this interview, has a big problem.
It is in his power to utterly destroy May's reputation credibility and leave the way open for a minority government led by Corbyn.
Or pull his punches and destroy his own reputation and credibility.
75% of OAPs own homes of average value £240k. 70% of us will need care. Therefore, 52% face losing their homes under Tory Dementia Tax plan.
Brilliant Labour arithmetic, ignoring both the figures (70% of us will need how much care?), and the policy (no-one loses their home under the Tory social care plan).
Do you actually believe all the rubbish you post on this, or are you trolling?
Sorry but that isn't calling the IRA "brave", unless you're labelling the entire nationalist community in with the IRA. Now I know the Tories only got 34 votes in Belfast West, but still.
Perceptions matter more than the facts sometimes, especially during an election campaign.
75% of OAPs own homes of average value £240k. 70% of us will need care. Therefore, 52% face losing their homes under Tory Dementia Tax plan.
Brilliant Labour arithmetic, ignoring both the figures (70% of us will need how much care?), and the policy (no-one loses their home under the Tory social care plan).
Do you actually believe all the rubbish you post on this, or are you trolling?
And I think the Neil interview tonight could actually be more brutal than it might have been half an hour ago.
In more reflective terms I remember us pb Tories getting all terribly excited on Bigotgate Day but it didn't result in a wipeout for Brown; it hardly had any traction at all with the voting public. This might blow over too.
Mrs Duffy was in fact a bigot so Gordo was only telling the truth. May looks hopelessly disingenuous here – it's a good policy, no it's a crap policy. What's the cap? Dunno.
75% of OAPs own homes of average value £240k. 70% of us will need care. Therefore, 52% face losing their homes under Tory Dementia Tax plan.
Brilliant Labour arithmetic, ignoring both the figures (70% of us will need how much care?), and the policy (no-one loses their home under the Tory social care plan).
Do you actually believe all the rubbish you post on this, or are you trolling?
Jeremy Corbyn might just beat Tony Blair's winning 35.2% (UK-wide) vote share in 2005.
I wonder if that will serve as a psychological and political landmark - tricky to depose him among his supporters if he does "better than Blair"...
It would be slightly hilarious if Labour moderates still can't unseat him - because he actually becomes PM and starts implementing lunatic leftie policies. :-) Thoughts from Mrs Beckett then should that happen?
Well I say hilarious - in a "we're all completely fucked over but still..." sort of way....
If we do get some sort of minority Corbyn government... Chances are we'll have to have yet another bloody election in the Autumn or early next year.
God help us all!!!!!
It would actually be easier to get rid of Corbyn if Labour won the election. Labour MPs could just ignore him.
@cerismith: So... Is this cap going to be the £85K rumoured pre manifesto, the £72K consulted on in 2015, or the £35k Dilnot proposed in 2011?
Very true Scott.To be fair you are one who does not follow the leader come what may.
If you've read this board over the past 4 days and detected "PB tories who follow the leader come what may" - could you identify one, with supporting quotes?
Carlotta, Richard Nabavi.
Clearly you don't read my posts, or, more likely, don't understand them.
@IanDunt: She's Remain then Leave. She says there won't be election then there will. She wants to break a manifesto commitment on tax then retain it.
2. She wanted to secure a mandate for Brexit negotiations.
What does that even mean? The A50 case demonstrated that as soon as Parliament voted her the authority (which it did), she had the authority to go along with the mandate from the referendum.
She had a majority based on a manifesto which included the referendum, she had 3 years left of the Parliament (encompassing the negotiation period and more), she had the authority and she had a majority.
One would suspect that increasing her majority after the NI on the self-employed u-turn, the disability cuts rebellion and so on were more in mind than an indefinable "mandate" from the voters.
(Incidentally, what does it imply for Brexit if she were to - theoretically - not receive this mandate?)
And I think the Neil interview tonight could actually be more brutal than it might have been half an hour ago.
In more reflective terms I remember us pb Tories getting all terribly excited on Bigotgate Day but it didn't result in a wipeout for Brown; it hardly had any traction at all with the voting public. This might blow over too.
She's facing Jeremy Corbyn. She can't lose. But this is extraordinary weakness and shows a complete lack of preparation and attention to detail from the person who is supposed to secure a good Brexit deal. It's very worrying indeed.
May is emotionally unfit to be PM, she lacks bottom.
Safe to be plundered by Labour's wealth tax and other taxes, you mean.
Labour does not want you spending your own money on yourself because they want to grab it instead. This is the point which the Tories ought, if they had any sense, be ramming home. ...
Still Corbyn is available for those who aren't grown ups.
Corbyn is a shambles and Mrs May is beginning to look like a shambles, or at least a serial u-turner. Farron is a non-entity.
It is sometimes said that we get the politicians we deserve... do we really deserve this lot?
Safe to be plundered by Labour's wealth tax and other taxes, you mean.
Labour does not want you spending your own money on yourself because they want to grab it instead. This is the point which the Tories ought, if they had any sense, be ramming home. ...
Still Corbyn is available for those who aren't grown ups.
Corbyn is a shambles and Mrs May is beginning to look like a shambles, or at least a serial u-turner. Farron is a non-entity.
It is sometimes said that we get the politicians we deserve... do we really deserve this lot?
Aren't you planning to move to Ireland? I'd have a look at the politicians there if I were you.
Okay, I'm annoyed now. The policy is popular in the marginals, any suggestion of a cap on care costs is just pandering to the media outrage. I thought Theresa had the balls to go on this and stick to it.
Was it really? I thought the anecdotal evidence was equating it to a cup of cold sick?
So Osborn got it wrong again trying to stick the boot in and it was just a price cap. Either way it is sloppy stuff and should have been thought through before the manifesto was published.
It should never have been in the manifesto...
It's a good policy, it's a just policy and yet you have Labour defending a policy that only hurts the well off. We have a social care crisis and nothing will change if there are not brave ideas. Even the public were not that adverse to it so I have no idea why she even bothered capping it.
It may or may not be a good policy... But as explained over and over again during the weekend its not the sort of policy you can "sell" in the middle of a general election. campaign.
The "Dementia Tax" meme was obvious and this kind of policy (and the changes to WFA) will concern thousands of people who won't actually be affected by the policy at all.
All the changes could have been covered by wording like "we'll have a consultation" etc. That's all that was needed in the manifesto.
And I think the Neil interview tonight could actually be more brutal than it might have been half an hour ago.
In more reflective terms I remember us pb Tories getting all terribly excited on Bigotgate Day but it didn't result in a wipeout for Brown; it hardly had any traction at all with the voting public. This might blow over too.
Andrew Neil, who will be now preparing for this interview, has a big problem.
It is in his power to utterly destroy May's reputation credibility and leave the way open for a minority government led by Corbyn.
Or pull his punches and destroy his own reputation and credibility.
What is he to do?
I will eat my hat if Andrew Neil pull his punches, he doesn't pull his punches with anyone.
And I think the Neil interview tonight could actually be more brutal than it might have been half an hour ago.
In more reflective terms I remember us pb Tories getting all terribly excited on Bigotgate Day but it didn't result in a wipeout for Brown; it hardly had any traction at all with the voting public. This might blow over too.
Andrew Neil, who will be now preparing for this interview, has a big problem.
It is in his power to utterly destroy May's reputation credibility and leave the way open for a minority government led by Corbyn.
Or pull his punches and destroy his own reputation and credibility.
What is he to do?
I will eat my hat if Andrew Neil pull his punches, he doesn't pull his punches with anyone.
He gave her a relatively easy ride in the post-A50 interview. She's been lulled into a false sense of security.
And I think the Neil interview tonight could actually be more brutal than it might have been half an hour ago.
In more reflective terms I remember us pb Tories getting all terribly excited on Bigotgate Day but it didn't result in a wipeout for Brown; it hardly had any traction at all with the voting public. This might blow over too.
She's facing Jeremy Corbyn. She can't lose. But this is extraordinary weakness and shows a complete lack of preparation and attention to detail from the person who is supposed to secure a good Brexit deal. It's very worrying indeed.
May is emotionally unfit to be PM, she lacks bottom.
That's exactly what President Obama & the Police Federation (and George Osborne & Michael Gove) said too.....
Well I'm a Tory and this is crap! The funding of social care is critical for the next 50 years and I thought the Tories had at least addressed the question. Now they've gone all wobbly and damaged whatever brand T May was trying to create.
Either the policy should have been kept unchanged - good or bad, or it should have been mentioned in much less detail.
There could scarcely be a better way of keeping this issue at the top of the agenda than saying there could be a cap but refusing to talk about numbers. And if they do come out with a number, then we can have another day or two of interrogation about what kind of costs it will cover and how many people it will affect and so on.
@cerismith: So... Is this cap going to be the £85K rumoured pre manifesto, the £72K consulted on in 2015, or the £35k Dilnot proposed in 2011?
Very true Scott.To be fair you are one who does not follow the leader come what may.
If you've read this board over the past 4 days and detected "PB tories who follow the leader come what may" - could you identify one, with supporting quotes?
Carlotta, Richard Nabavi.
Nonsense. Evidence? (Of both supporting the policy, and the u turn)?
And I think the Neil interview tonight could actually be more brutal than it might have been half an hour ago.
In more reflective terms I remember us pb Tories getting all terribly excited on Bigotgate Day but it didn't result in a wipeout for Brown; it hardly had any traction at all with the voting public. This might blow over too.
Andrew Neil, who will be now preparing for this interview, has a big problem.
It is in his power to utterly destroy May's reputation credibility and leave the way open for a minority government led by Corbyn.
Or pull his punches and destroy his own reputation and credibility.
What is he to do?
I will eat my hat if Andrew Neil pull his punches, he doesn't pull his punches with anyone.
He will pull his punches. At the end of the day, he is a Tory. And , it is not Blair waiting on the other side.
75% of OAPs own homes of average value £240k. 70% of us will need care. Therefore, 52% face losing their homes under Tory Dementia Tax plan.
Brilliant Labour arithmetic, ignoring both the figures (70% of us will need how much care?), and the policy (no-one loses their home under the Tory social care plan).
Do you actually believe all the rubbish you post on this, or are you trolling?
Guess!!
Your glorious leader is both weak and wobbly and a House Snatcher.
Get over it.
How much has this policy come up in your canvassing.
Number one issue by a mile in mine.
Off out doing some more this tea time will see if people still think its still important.
Safe to be plundered by Labour's wealth tax and other taxes, you mean. Labour does not want you spending your own money on yourself because they want to grab it instead. This is the point which the Tories ought, if they had any sense, be ramming home. Still Corbyn is available for those who aren't grown ups.
Corbyn is a shambles and Mrs May is beginning to look like a shambles, or at least a serial u-turner. Farron is a non-entity.
Right on the first two, Mrs C. But it is only snooty Tories who look down on Tim Farron. He is doing a very good job, IMHO.
It would help the Lib Dems if the pollsters did not keep on adjusting the crude figures downwards.
And if the journalists started getting interested in something other than religion. I don`t remember that they ever were before.
75% of OAPs own homes of average value £240k. 70% of us will need care. Therefore, 52% face losing their homes under Tory Dementia Tax plan.
Brilliant Labour arithmetic, ignoring both the figures (70% of us will need how much care?), and the policy (no-one loses their home under the Tory social care plan).
Do you actually believe all the rubbish you post on this, or are you trolling?
Guess!!
Your glorious leader is both weak and wobbly and a House Snatcher.
Get over it.
How much has this policy come up in your canvassing.
Number one issue by a mile in mine.
Off out doing some more this tea time will see if people still think its still important.
You really are doing a disservice to everyone if you are going out there spouting made-up stats.
So Osborn got it wrong again trying to stick the boot in and it was just a price cap. Either way it is sloppy stuff and should have been thought through before the manifesto was published.
It should never have been in the manifesto...
It's a good policy, it's a just policy and yet you have Labour defending a policy that only hurts the well off. We have a social care crisis and nothing will change if there are not brave ideas. Even the public were not that adverse to it so I have no idea why she even bothered capping it.
It may or may not be a good policy... But as explained over and over again during the weekend its not the sort of policy you can "sell" in the middle of a general election. campaign.
The "Dementia Tax" meme was obvious and this kind of policy (and the changes to WFA) will concern thousands of people who won't actually be affected by the policy at all.
All the changes could have been covered by wording like "we'll have a consultation" etc. That's all that was needed in the manifesto.
She doesn't need to sell it. It's bold, her poll lead is massive, so she launches a policy that will help solve the social care crisis. She brings out the policy, some people don't like it but then the narrative moves on. By doing this today she has everyone talking about it still and looks weaker at the same time.
And I think the Neil interview tonight could actually be more brutal than it might have been half an hour ago.
In more reflective terms I remember us pb Tories getting all terribly excited on Bigotgate Day but it didn't result in a wipeout for Brown; it hardly had any traction at all with the voting public. This might blow over too.
Andrew Neil, who will be now preparing for this interview, has a big problem.
It is in his power to utterly destroy May's reputation credibility and leave the way open for a minority government led by Corbyn.
Or pull his punches and destroy his own reputation and credibility.
What is he to do?
Perhaps it's just as well he's such a modest and self-effacing man that he won't be tempted by his chance to go down in history as the interviewer who determined the result of the election ...
What happens if the Tories hit a banana skin, such as a Gillian Duffy moment? Bleating that Corbyn was positive about Sinn Fein 30 years ago may not save them. Labour need to focus on whether voters are happy about how things have gone for the last seven years.
Can anyone remind me why Mrs May called this early election ?
Brexit. But unfortunately for whatever reason they've allowed themselves to "veer off" in all directions... Which is always a danger with a general election but this one oddly was self-inflicted.
And I think the Neil interview tonight could actually be more brutal than it might have been half an hour ago.
In more reflective terms I remember us pb Tories getting all terribly excited on Bigotgate Day but it didn't result in a wipeout for Brown; it hardly had any traction at all with the voting public. This might blow over too.
She's facing Jeremy Corbyn. She can't lose. But this is extraordinary weakness and shows a complete lack of preparation and attention to detail from the person who is supposed to secure a good Brexit deal. It's very worrying indeed.
May is emotionally unfit to be PM, she lacks bottom.
That's exactly what President Obama & the Police Federation (and George Osborne & Michael Gove) said too.....
She's the worst Tory leader I've seen. A scatter brained frump.
All the tories had to put in the manifesto was brexit, bins and immigration target...That is all they had to do....Then it would have been 3 week of jahadi jez, totally unfunded labour manifesto, terrorist sympathizers, communists etc etc etc.
And I think the Neil interview tonight could actually be more brutal than it might have been half an hour ago.
In more reflective terms I remember us pb Tories getting all terribly excited on Bigotgate Day but it didn't result in a wipeout for Brown; it hardly had any traction at all with the voting public. This might blow over too.
She's facing Jeremy Corbyn. She can't lose. But this is extraordinary weakness and shows a complete lack of preparation and attention to detail from the person who is supposed to secure a good Brexit deal. It's very worrying indeed.
May is emotionally unfit to be PM, she lacks bottom.
That's exactly what President Obama & the Police Federation (and George Osborne & Michael Gove) said too.....
She's the worst Tory leader I've seen. A scatter brained frump.
So Osborn got it wrong again trying to stick the boot in and it was just a price cap. Either way it is sloppy stuff and should have been thought through before the manifesto was published.
It should never have been in the manifesto...
It's a good policy, it's a just policy and yet you have Labour defending a policy that only hurts the well off. We have a social care crisis and nothing will change if there are not brave ideas. Even the public were not that adverse to it so I have no idea why she even bothered capping it.
It may or may not be a good policy... But as explained over and over again during the weekend its not the sort of policy you can "sell" in the middle of a general election. campaign.
The "Dementia Tax" meme was obvious and this kind of policy (and the changes to WFA) will concern thousands of people who won't actually be affected by the policy at all.
All the changes could have been covered by wording like "we'll have a consultation" etc. That's all that was needed in the manifesto.
She doesn't need to sell it. It's bold, her poll lead is massive, so she launches a policy that will help solve the social care crisis. She brings out the policy, some people don't like it but then the narrative moves on. By doing this today she has everyone talking about it still and looks weaker at the same time.
And I think the Neil interview tonight could actually be more brutal than it might have been half an hour ago.
In more reflective terms I remember us pb Tories getting all terribly excited on Bigotgate Day but it didn't result in a wipeout for Brown; it hardly had any traction at all with the voting public. This might blow over too.
Mrs Duffy was in fact a bigot so Gordo was only telling the truth.
OT: The YouGov survey I did this morning contained two questions about the affordability of the Con and Lab manifestos - I've not been asked that before. I was also asked whether I liked to have a gherkin in my burger. #random
So Osborn got it wrong again trying to stick the boot in and it was just a price cap. Either way it is sloppy stuff and should have been thought through before the manifesto was published.
It should never have been in the manifesto...
It's a good policy, it's a just policy and yet you have Labour defending a policy that only hurts the well off. We have a social care crisis and nothing will change if there are not brave ideas. Even the public were not that adverse to it so I have no idea why she even bothered capping it.
It may or may not be a good policy... But as explained over and over again during the weekend its not the sort of policy you can "sell" in the middle of a general election. campaign.
The "Dementia Tax" meme was obvious and this kind of policy (and the changes to WFA) will concern thousands of people who won't actually be affected by the policy at all.
All the changes could have been covered by wording like "we'll have a consultation" etc. That's all that was needed in the manifesto.
She doesn't need to sell it. It's bold, her poll lead is massive, so she launches a policy that will help solve the social care crisis. She brings out the policy, some people don't like it but then the narrative moves on. By doing this today she has everyone talking about it still and looks weaker at the same time.
I suspect she has a) been given major grief all weekend by candidates reporting back from the doorstep b) seen internal polling that shows they have gone off a cliff c) Philip has said it is crap policy - change it fast.
75% of OAPs own homes of average value £240k. 70% of us will need care. Therefore, 52% face losing their homes under Tory Dementia Tax plan.
Brilliant Labour arithmetic, ignoring both the figures (70% of us will need how much care?), and the policy (no-one loses their home under the Tory social care plan).
Do you actually believe all the rubbish you post on this, or are you trolling?
Guess!!
Your glorious leader is both weak and wobbly and a House Snatcher.
Get over it.
How much has this policy come up in your canvassing.
Number one issue by a mile in mine.
Off out doing some more this tea time will see if people still think its still important.
You really are doing a disservice to everyone if you are going out there spouting made-up stats.
And telling lies about homes being taken when they won't be during people's lives.
“The BBC's assistant political editor Norman Smith said Conservative sources were dismissing the prospect of any rethink over the plans, insisting there would be "no rowing back". He said he had been told that while there would be a consultation, this had always been planned and it would only examine "the finer detail" of the policy….”
This is pretty pathetic stuff. The presence - or absence - of a cap, and where it falls is fundamental, not 'finer detail'. Of a piece with the utterly imprecise WFA policy.
It's entirely fair to criticise the Labour manifesto for being uncosted and absurd - but when you have all the resources of government and haven't costed your own policies, and wave away this as 'fine detail', you look ridiculous.
Does this mean May is as useless as Corbyn ? Of course not.
Not even close.
But it's piss poor.
Shame the Liberals have a leader who is not only not a liberal, but also piss poor.
And I think the Neil interview tonight could actually be more brutal than it might have been half an hour ago.
In more reflective terms I remember us pb Tories getting all terribly excited on Bigotgate Day but it didn't result in a wipeout for Brown; it hardly had any traction at all with the voting public. This might blow over too.
She's facing Jeremy Corbyn. She can't lose. But this is extraordinary weakness and shows a complete lack of preparation and attention to detail from the person who is supposed to secure a good Brexit deal. It's very worrying indeed.
May is emotionally unfit to be PM, she lacks bottom.
That's exactly what President Obama & the Police Federation (and George Osborne & Michael Gove) said too.....
She's the worst Tory leader I've seen. A scatter brained frump.
75% of OAPs own homes of average value £240k. 70% of us will need care. Therefore, 52% face losing their homes under Tory Dementia Tax plan.
Brilliant Labour arithmetic, ignoring both the figures (70% of us will need how much care?), and the policy (no-one loses their home under the Tory social care plan).
Do you actually believe all the rubbish you post on this, or are you trolling?
Guess!!
Your glorious leader is both weak and wobbly and a House Snatcher.
Get over it.
How much has this policy come up in your canvassing.
Number one issue by a mile in mine.
Off out doing some more this tea time will see if people still think its still important.
My guess is that you don't believe all the rubbish you post on this. But then, I always try to give people the benefit of the doubt.
Not only is TM badly damaged by this but her inner circle with Timothy at its core is too. What credibility will he now carry with the parliamentry party? Dementia tax man. Shambolic
And I think the Neil interview tonight could actually be more brutal than it might have been half an hour ago.
In more reflective terms I remember us pb Tories getting all terribly excited on Bigotgate Day but it didn't result in a wipeout for Brown; it hardly had any traction at all with the voting public. This might blow over too.
Andrew Neil, who will be now preparing for this interview, has a big problem.
It is in his power to utterly destroy May's reputation credibility and leave the way open for a minority government led by Corbyn.
Or pull his punches and destroy his own reputation and credibility.
What is he to do?
I will eat my hat if Andrew Neil pull his punches, he doesn't pull his punches with anyone.
He will pull his punches. At the end of the day, he is a Tory. And , it is not Blair waiting on the other side.
And I think the Neil interview tonight could actually be more brutal than it might have been half an hour ago.
In more reflective terms I remember us pb Tories getting all terribly excited on Bigotgate Day but it didn't result in a wipeout for Brown; it hardly had any traction at all with the voting public. This might blow over too.
Andrew Neil, who will be now preparing for this interview, has a big problem.
It is in his power to utterly destroy May's reputation credibility and leave the way open for a minority government led by Corbyn.
Or pull his punches and destroy his own reputation and credibility.
What is he to do?
I will eat my hat if Andrew Neil pull his punches, he doesn't pull his punches with anyone.
He will pull his punches. At the end of the day, he is a Tory. And , it is not Blair waiting on the other side.
75% of OAPs own homes of average value £240k. 70% of us will need care. Therefore, 52% face losing their homes under Tory Dementia Tax plan.
Brilliant Labour arithmetic, ignoring both the figures (70% of us will need how much care?), and the policy (no-one loses their home under the Tory social care plan).
Do you actually believe all the rubbish you post on this, or are you trolling?
Guess!!
Your glorious leader is both weak and wobbly and a House Snatcher.
Get over it.
How much has this policy come up in your canvassing.
Number one issue by a mile in mine.
Off out doing some more this tea time will see if people still think its still important.
Labour's policy: how many get to stay in their homes until they die - is hit 100%?
Labour's policy: how many get to be guaranteed to pass on £110k to their loved ones?
If the answer to either is less than 100%, then by polling day, Labour has the problem....
And I think the Neil interview tonight could actually be more brutal than it might have been half an hour ago.
In more reflective terms I remember us pb Tories getting all terribly excited on Bigotgate Day but it didn't result in a wipeout for Brown; it hardly had any traction at all with the voting public. This might blow over too.
Andrew Neil, who will be now preparing for this interview, has a big problem.
It is in his power to utterly destroy May's reputation credibility and leave the way open for a minority government led by Corbyn.
Or pull his punches and destroy his own reputation and credibility.
What is he to do?
I will eat my hat if Andrew Neil pull his punches, he doesn't pull his punches with anyone.
Andrew Neil should most certainly not pull his punches. Indeed I want all the leaders punch drunk to within an inch of their political lives after their 30 minutes.
And I think the Neil interview tonight could actually be more brutal than it might have been half an hour ago.
In more reflective terms I remember us pb Tories getting all terribly excited on Bigotgate Day but it didn't result in a wipeout for Brown; it hardly had any traction at all with the voting public. This might blow over too.
She's facing Jeremy Corbyn. She can't lose. But this is extraordinary weakness and shows a complete lack of preparation and attention to detail from the person who is supposed to secure a good Brexit deal. It's very worrying indeed.
May is emotionally unfit to be PM, she lacks bottom.
That's exactly what President Obama & the Police Federation (and George Osborne & Michael Gove) said too.....
She's the worst Tory leader I've seen. A scatter brained frump.
She is polling a lot higher than Cameron.
So what. Trump won the presidency; does that make him a good president ?
75% of OAPs own homes of average value £240k. 70% of us will need care. Therefore, 52% face losing their homes under Tory Dementia Tax plan.
Brilliant Labour arithmetic, ignoring both the figures (70% of us will need how much care?), and the policy (no-one loses their home under the Tory social care plan).
Do you actually believe all the rubbish you post on this, or are you trolling?
Guess!!
Your glorious leader is both weak and wobbly and a House Snatcher.
Get over it.
How much has this policy come up in your canvassing.
Number one issue by a mile in mine.
Off out doing some more this tea time will see if people still think its still important.
You really are doing a disservice to everyone if you are going out there spouting made-up stats.
And telling lies about homes being taken when they won't be during people's lives.
Well if you are willing to pound the pavements to drum up support for a group of marxist terrorist sympathizers who have a problem with Jews....
75% of OAPs own homes of average value £240k. 70% of us will need care. Therefore, 52% face losing their homes under Tory Dementia Tax plan.
Brilliant Labour arithmetic, ignoring both the figures (70% of us will need how much care?), and the policy (no-one loses their home under the Tory social care plan).
Do you actually believe all the rubbish you post on this, or are you trolling?
Guess!!
Your glorious leader is both weak and wobbly and a House Snatcher.
Get over it.
How much has this policy come up in your canvassing.
Number one issue by a mile in mine.
Off out doing some more this tea time will see if people still think its still important.
My guess is that you don't believe all the rubbish you post on this. But then, I always try to give people the benefit of the doubt.
Do you believe Mays strong and stable mantra has just been utterly destroyed?
Good luck! But satire aside, the point is that no party can successfully push more than one message at once. As Richard observes, it's a difficult choice for them.
The smartest approach would be to try to elide the fightback on the social care policy with their main campaign message (remember 'strong and stable', anyone?). For a textbook example of how to do that, listen to Ken Clarke's interview on yesterday's R4 World this Weekend.
However, not many politicians are class acts like Ken Clarke, and it's difficult to do without getting very wordy and sounding defensive.
Yes, I think you're right. But saying "OK, OK, we'll put a cap on it already, details after the election, calm down ffs" doesn't do it. What will happen is that people will start picking holes in the cap (cf. Beverley and Dyedwoolie instantly on this thread) and we'll still be arguing about it for a couple more days. I think the media will get bored and move on by Wednresday, but that's five days on the subject.
The thing is that it's complicated. Offer a simple answer and its gets picked apart. Offer a complicated answer and it sounds defensive. Ken Clarke has a natural authority that helps him do it, but not many politicians do.
You're right. Tories need to get out there and defend the policy. Anything close to looking like a u-turn on it now is the worst of all worlds.
The policy is right, as it was when it was proposed. Get out there and sell it.
The risk in doing that is that you have to be 100% sure that the leadership won't backtrack, otherwise you end up defending something that's both unpopular and no longer policy.
The Commission, as European Union negotiator, will ensure a maximum level of transparency during the whole negotiating process.
Commission negotiating documents which are shared with EU Member States, the European Council, the European Parliament, the Council, national parliaments, and the United Kingdom will be released to the public.
The most telling comment from George Osborne`s article about the dementia tax in the Standard:
"This isn’t for consultation after an election — it’s an issue of honesty before an election. "
Just the sort of thing that one would expect from a weak and dithering leadership. Didn`t her advisers know what she was like before they started trying to paint her as "strong and stable"?
And I think the Neil interview tonight could actually be more brutal than it might have been half an hour ago.
In more reflective terms I remember us pb Tories getting all terribly excited on Bigotgate Day but it didn't result in a wipeout for Brown; it hardly had any traction at all with the voting public. This might blow over too.
Mrs Duffy was in fact a bigot so Gordo was only telling the truth.
Social care wrecked the landslide, the u turn might wreck the majority. Awful awful stuff from the blues. It's simply not possible to drive voters into Corbyn's arms, until you do it. She's weak and frit.
Commission negotiating documents which are shared with EU Member States, the European Council, the European Parliament, the Council, national parliaments, and the United Kingdom will be released to the public
Safe to be plundered by Labour's wealth tax and other taxes, you mean. Labour does not want you spending your own money on yourself because they want to grab it instead. This is the point which the Tories ought, if they had any sense, be ramming home. Still Corbyn is available for those who aren't grown ups.
Corbyn is a shambles and Mrs May is beginning to look like a shambles, or at least a serial u-turner. Farron is a non-entity.
Right on the first two, Mrs C. But it is only snooty Tories who look down on Tim Farron. He is doing a very good job, IMHO.
I am not a snooty Tory and I would like to vote for Farron but I am not feeling inspired by him and he has been nearly invisible campaign-wise.
It would help the Lib Dems if the pollsters did not keep on adjusting the crude figures downwards.
And if the journalists started getting interested in something other than religion. I don`t remember that they ever were before.
They were interested in the social injustice that he appeared to be supporting on the basis of his religion. That was a valid point to raise and one which he seemed to struggle with refuting.
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Do you actually believe all the rubbish you post on this, or are you trolling?
Bravely ran away away.
When danger reared its ugly head,
He bravely turned his tail and fled.
Yes, brave Sir Robin turned about
And gallantly he chickened out.
Swiftly taking to his feet,
He beat a very brave retreat.
Bravest of the brave, Sir Robin!
No. 52% face NOT having to sell their homes during their lifetime and being able to leave £100,000 to their children.
Still, when did the Left become so concerned about preserving peoples' inheritance?
It is in his power to utterly destroy May's reputation credibility and leave the way open for a minority government led by Corbyn.
Or pull his punches and destroy his own reputation and credibility.
What is he to do?
The A50 case demonstrated that as soon as Parliament voted her the authority (which it did), she had the authority to go along with the mandate from the referendum.
She had a majority based on a manifesto which included the referendum, she had 3 years left of the Parliament (encompassing the negotiation period and more), she had the authority and she had a majority.
One would suspect that increasing her majority after the NI on the self-employed u-turn, the disability cuts rebellion and so on were more in mind than an indefinable "mandate" from the voters.
(Incidentally, what does it imply for Brexit if she were to - theoretically - not receive this mandate?)
I hope the Blood Transfusion Service is well stocked
The "Dementia Tax" meme was obvious and this kind of policy (and the changes to WFA) will concern thousands of people who won't actually be affected by the policy at all.
All the changes could have been covered by wording like "we'll have a consultation" etc. That's all that was needed in the manifesto.
Either the policy should have been kept unchanged - good or bad, or it should have been mentioned in much less detail.
I'm not a happy bunny at the moment.
Your glorious leader is both weak and wobbly and a House Snatcher.
Get over it.
How much has this policy come up in your canvassing.
Number one issue by a mile in mine.
Off out doing some more this tea time will see if people still think its still important.
It would help the Lib Dems if the pollsters did not keep on adjusting the crude figures downwards.
And if the journalists started getting interested in something other than religion. I don`t remember that they ever were before.
That was an astounding claim, but it looks correct:
http://www.croydonguardian.co.uk/news/4045346.IRA_councillor_welcomed_back_to_Tory_bosom/
This rather takes the wind out of the sails of the Tory attack on Corbyn.
https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/866615258554748928
He said that in Warrington?Ah I misread that, even he wouldn't be so clueless.Although, Tory sense seems to be in short supply this election!
He said he had been told that while there would be a consultation, this had always been planned and it would only examine "the finer detail" of the policy….”
This is pretty pathetic stuff. The presence - or absence - of a cap, and where it falls is fundamental, not 'finer detail'.
Of a piece with the utterly imprecise WFA policy.
It's entirely fair to criticise the Labour manifesto for being uncosted and absurd - but when you have all the resources of government and haven't costed your own policies, and wave away this as 'fine detail', you look ridiculous.
Does this mean May is as useless as Corbyn ?
Of course not.
Not even close.
But it's piss poor.
Shame the Liberals have a leader who is not only not a liberal, but also piss poor.
Shambolic
Labour's policy: how many get to be guaranteed to pass on £110k to their loved ones?
If the answer to either is less than 100%, then by polling day, Labour has the problem....
They are there to be tested. So test them.
Trump won the presidency; does that make him a good president ?
Commission negotiating documents which are shared with EU Member States, the European Council, the European Parliament, the Council, national parliaments, and the United Kingdom will be released to the public.
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/article-50-negotiations-united-kingdom/european-commissions-approach-transparency-article-50-negotiations-united-kingdom_en
Various EU bods "hahahahahahaha"
Just a rubbish position to get yourself into
"This isn’t for consultation after an election — it’s an issue of honesty before an election. "
Just the sort of thing that one would expect from a weak and dithering leadership. Didn`t her advisers know what she was like before they started trying to paint her as "strong and stable"?
EU leaders "lets wait 4 days"
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2010/apr/28/gordon-brown-gillian-duffy-transcript
Could you highlight the exact words that show her to be a bigot? Bearing in mind Brown himself withdrew the allegation.
She's weak and frit.