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I wonder if the head of ISIS is a CIA mole.TheScreamingEagles said:President Trump revealed highly classified information to the Russian foreign minister and ambassador in a White House meeting last week, according to current and former U.S. officials, who said that Trump’s disclosures jeopardized a critical source of intelligence on the Islamic State.
The information Trump relayed had been provided by a U.S. partner through an intelligence-sharing arrangement considered so sensitive that details have been withheld from allies and tightly restricted even within the U.S. government, officials said.
The partner had not given the United States permission to share the material with Russia, and officials said that Trump’s decision to do so risks cooperation from an ally that has access to the inner workings of the Islamic State. After Trump’s meeting, senior White House officials took steps to contain the damage, placing calls to the CIA and National Security Agency.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-revealed-highly-classified-information-to-russian-foreign-minister-and-ambassador/2017/05/15/530c172a-3960-11e7-9e48-c4f199710b69_story.html?utm_term=.0f98c8a44c2a
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Those photo's the Russians have come in handy.TheScreamingEagles said:President Trump revealed highly classified information to the Russian foreign minister and ambassador in a White House meeting last week, according to current and former U.S. officials, who said that Trump’s disclosures jeopardized a critical source of intelligence on the Islamic State.
The information Trump relayed had been provided by a U.S. partner through an intelligence-sharing arrangement considered so sensitive that details have been withheld from allies and tightly restricted even within the U.S. government, officials said.
The partner had not given the United States permission to share the material with Russia, and officials said that Trump’s decision to do so risks cooperation from an ally that has access to the inner workings of the Islamic State. After Trump’s meeting, senior White House officials took steps to contain the damage, placing calls to the CIA and National Security Agency.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-revealed-highly-classified-information-to-russian-foreign-minister-and-ambassador/2017/05/15/530c172a-3960-11e7-9e48-c4f199710b69_story.html?utm_term=.0f98c8a44c2a0 -
PB Tories 4 Corbyn, rejoice!TheScreamingEagles said:twitter.com/SunPolitics/status/864228947411832832
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Not for the Hanoverians anyway.TheWhiteRabbit said:
I'm not sure last time Scottish troops were in East Lothian it ended wellPulpstar said:Edinburgh South is certainly not a lost cause for Labour.
I'd rather they sent Scottish troops to East Lothian though..0 -
Why do I get the feeling at some point in the near future the video of those Russian prostitutes peeing in front of Donald Trump is going to be leaked, and I'll be forced to watch it.OUT said:
Those photo's the Russians have come in handy.TheScreamingEagles said:President Trump revealed highly classified information to the Russian foreign minister and ambassador in a White House meeting last week, according to current and former U.S. officials, who said that Trump’s disclosures jeopardized a critical source of intelligence on the Islamic State.
The information Trump relayed had been provided by a U.S. partner through an intelligence-sharing arrangement considered so sensitive that details have been withheld from allies and tightly restricted even within the U.S. government, officials said.
The partner had not given the United States permission to share the material with Russia, and officials said that Trump’s decision to do so risks cooperation from an ally that has access to the inner workings of the Islamic State. After Trump’s meeting, senior White House officials took steps to contain the damage, placing calls to the CIA and National Security Agency.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-revealed-highly-classified-information-to-russian-foreign-minister-and-ambassador/2017/05/15/530c172a-3960-11e7-9e48-c4f199710b69_story.html?utm_term=.0f98c8a44c2a0 -
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You can tell how well Labour's election campaign is going by the fact that the next leadership election campaign is already being trailed in the press.0
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TheScreamingEagles said:
President Trump revealed highly classified information to the Russian foreign minister and ambassador in a White House meeting last week, according to current and former U.S. officials, who said that Trump’s disclosures jeopardized a critical source of intelligence on the Islamic State.
The information Trump relayed had been provided by a U.S. partner through an intelligence-sharing arrangement considered so sensitive that details have been withheld from allies and tightly restricted even within the U.S. government, officials said.
The partner had not given the United States permission to share the material with Russia, and officials said that Trump’s decision to do so risks cooperation from an ally that has access to the inner workings of the Islamic State. After Trump’s meeting, senior White House officials took steps to contain the damage, placing calls to the CIA and National Security Agency.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-revealed-highly-classified-information-to-russian-foreign-minister-and-ambassador/2017/05/15/530c172a-3960-11e7-9e48-c4f199710b69_story.html?utm_term=.0f98c8a44c2a
Very responsible of the sources to blab the whole thing to the WaPo, then.0 -
Tempus Fugit - this month (the 29th) is the centenary of JFK's birth.
Even today, in Dealey Plaza it is aways November 22nd, 1963.0 -
What? This has to be a feint, right? Like how Tory MPs were pretending Cameron would be fine to stay on if he lost the referendum, so they could present as loyal to the end?TheScreamingEagles said:hts://twitter.com/SunPolitics/status/864228947411832832
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Now that I have four data points - yesSandyRentool said:
Any chance of a graph, Dr P?Sunil_Prasannan said:ELBOW for week-ending 14th May, updated for Survation and ICM:
Con Lab LD UKIP Tory Lead
23-Apr-17 45.5 26.1 10.4 8.6 19.4
30-Apr-17 46.3 28.1 10.2 6.7 18.2
07-May-17 47.1 28.5 9.4 6.4 18.6
14-May-17 47.1 30.2 9.2 5.3 16.9
https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/8642305333117132800 -
Yes, and that doesn't meant that Pinochet's actions in his own country weren't awful. It's not exactly a crazy position to dislike the action of both Pinochet and the IRA.chestnut said:
I don't recall Pinochet trying to bomb London, Birmingham, Manchester etc. The IRA did it regularly.The_Apocalypse said:
So the morality of these things only matter when they pose a direct threat to us? Well, it's one view I guess.0 -
It's the same view as those who think Stalin was actually laudable, rather than simply a necessary ally.The_Apocalypse said:
So the morality of these things only matter when they pose a direct threat to us? Well, it's one view I guess.Sean_F said:
I feel ..... Nothing.The_Apocalypse said:
Yep. I've always wondered how Tories on here felt about this.SandyRentool said:
Whereas the Tories just had mates like General Pinochet:JonCisBack said:
Sorry but how is openly sympathising with people who murdered innocents in any fucking way at all "murky"?FF43 said:
I admit I am not massively exercised by Corbyn's fellow travelling with the IRA. There are complicated and conflated reasons. We're supposed to have moved on from the Troubles. It's a bitter pill to swallow to accept as pillars of our society baby murderers who haven't acknowledged their evil deeds let alone atoned for them, but we swallow the pill because it has to be better than the killings. I have less energy for Corbyn who of course didn't kill anyone. Many people compromised with the killers. They were doing that in the course of duty while Jeremy Corbyn was freelancing, but it is all very murky and Corbyn doesn't really stand out from the murk.
I am really more interested in what's happening now. I am not aware of Corbyn being egregious. Unlike Liam Fox who said Rodrigo Duterte, killer of drug addicts in cold blood, "shares our values" How dare Fox speak for us!
Here's an article from the Guardian on the subject. The Guardian. Not the Mail, not England football fans.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/1999/jun/02/northernireland.kevintoolis
"Obviously if the peace process is to continue we must draw a line somewhere on the past and its crimes. But that does not mean we have to indulge republicans at every turn."
100% correct.
Corbyn's support of the IRA's murderers is unforgivable to me, or many others who nevertheless have - as you say - moved on from the Troubles.
"During the period of Pinochet's rule, various investigations have identified the murder of 1,200 to 3,200 people with up to 80,000 people forcibly interned and as many as 30,000 tortured. According to the Chilean government, the official number of deaths and forced disappearances stands at 3,095." (Wikipedia)
Pinochet, unlike the IRA was no danger to this country.0 -
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In the interest of politics and it's betting implications i'm sure.TheScreamingEagles said:
Why do I get the feeling at some point in the near future the video of those Russian prostitutes peeing in front of Donald Trump is going to be leaked, and I'll be forced to watch it.OUT said:
Those photo's the Russians have come in handy.TheScreamingEagles said:President Trump revealed highly classified information to the Russian foreign minister and ambassador in a White House meeting last week, according to current and former U.S. officials, who said that Trump’s disclosures jeopardized a critical source of intelligence on the Islamic State.
The information Trump relayed had been provided by a U.S. partner through an intelligence-sharing arrangement considered so sensitive that details have been withheld from allies and tightly restricted even within the U.S. government, officials said.
The partner had not given the United States permission to share the material with Russia, and officials said that Trump’s decision to do so risks cooperation from an ally that has access to the inner workings of the Islamic State. After Trump’s meeting, senior White House officials took steps to contain the damage, placing calls to the CIA and National Security Agency.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-revealed-highly-classified-information-to-russian-foreign-minister-and-ambassador/2017/05/15/530c172a-3960-11e7-9e48-c4f199710b69_story.html?utm_term=.0f98c8a44c2a0 -
If I had enough money that is exactly what j would like to do!!kle4 said:
My experience is that people who are anoraks in one obscure area, are probably anoraks in others as well (not that such mainstream stuff is obscure).SandyRentool said:
Isn't it amazing that political anoraks can reveal an even sadder side...TheScreamingEagles said:
I liked Search for Spock a lot, had so many iconic moments.HaroldO said:
Not The Search For Spock?TheScreamingEagles said:
Tell me you consider Star Trek V: The Final Frontier the worst Star Trek film ever?kle4 said:
To misuse a phrase - you may well think that, I could not possibly comment. Any further. In order to be wise.TheScreamingEagles said:
You what?kle4 said:
You may well be right. *whispers*I think Wrath of Khan is overrated.*endswhisper* so I'm not sure.
Please tell me you're joking.
The Wrath of Khan is one of the finest films of all time.
That will redeem you in my eyes.
Nemesis is the pits but its TNG.
My ranking of original series Star Trek films
1) Wrath of Khan 2) The Undiscovered Country 3) The Voyage Home 4) The Search for Spock 5) The Motion Picture: The Director's Edition 6) The Final Frontier.
Could be worse - anyone collect antique globes? (I kid, nor do I, but actually that might be fascinating).0 -
Brexit lost a supporter.Scott_P said:0 -
And the USA regularly bomb the living crap out of lots of countries with funny sounding names, but we're still shoulder to shoulder.chestnut said:
I don't recall Pinochet trying to bomb London, Birmingham, Manchester etc. The IRA did it regularly.The_Apocalypse said:
So the morality of these things only matter when they pose a direct threat to us? Well, it's one view I guess.
The real world is about choosing your friends and it's obvious which ones Corbyn chose.0 -
If the target of the joke had been Christian nuns no one would have been bothered enough for it to make the papersIshmael_Z said:
I thought the patio umbrella one was borderline funny, though they look to me much more like a rear view of a group of (Christian) nuns.SandyRentool said:
The jokes are so offensive that The Sun has no qualms in repeating them.TheScreamingEagles said:
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There are awful regimes in the world all the time. Very few directly attack the British people.The_Apocalypse said:
Yes, and that doesn't meant that Pinochet's actions in his own country weren't awful. It's not exactly a crazy position to dislike the action of both Pinochet and the IRA.chestnut said:
I don't recall Pinochet trying to bomb London, Birmingham, Manchester etc. The IRA did it regularly.The_Apocalypse said:
So the morality of these things only matter when they pose a direct threat to us? Well, it's one view I guess.0 -
Cyclefree said:
Good luck to youHurstLlama said:@CycleFree
"...It is one reason why I am contemplating a serious career change.
In the end, you can only beat your head against a brick wall for so long before you decide that there are better things to do with your life - and head."
Dear Mr Llama: you are a very wise fellow.
I have in fact made my decision. But I am in the process of deciding precisely how I move to what I want to do and so it feels as if the decision-making hasn't yet been completed.
I don't suppose I will starve (and I have rainy day funds for just this purpose) but those to whom I've spoken say that the greater risk is that I will end up taking too much on (as I'm inclined to do by nature) and end up busier than ever. So I need to guard against that as I really want my remaining decades to be enjoyable and healthy.
I
But as the Eldest Son put it to me: "You have created one job and team. You can go off now and create another."
So that is what I will do. But I will also have a good and relaxing summer in the Lakes I hope followed by three weeks in Canada celebrating my 25th wedding anniversary to help me refocus my life.
But I will also admit to being a bit apprehensive. Like standing on the edge of the water wondering what it will be like to jump in.........
I had to completely change tack and retrain at 45 ( university degree through distance learning whilst working and with kids at home) BUT it was worth it.
"Like standing on the edge of the water wondering what it will be like to jump in........."
You will be fine-worst case scenario-you have to go back to what you did before-not great for the self esteem -but nor is it fatal.
Go for it -and good luck.0 -
To be fair the likes of Michael Gove were prepared for Dave to continue on, but Dave realised you lose a nation changing referendum, you have to go.kle4 said:
What? This has to be a feint, right? Like how Tory MPs were pretending Cameron would be fine to stay on if he lost the referendum, so they could present as loyal to the end?TheScreamingEagles said:hts://twitter.com/SunPolitics/status/864228947411832832
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I thought 'condign' was a typo until looked it upTheuniondivvie said:
Not for the Hanoverians anyway.TheWhiteRabbit said:
I'm not sure last time Scottish troops were in East Lothian it ended wellPulpstar said:Edinburgh South is certainly not a lost cause for Labour.
I'd rather they sent Scottish troops to East Lothian though..0 -
Indeed. But not all evils are equal, and not all support for evils is equally disqualifying.The_Apocalypse said:
Yes, and that doesn't meant that Pinochet's actions in his own country weren't awful. It's not exactly a crazy position to dislike the action of both Pinochet and the IRA.chestnut said:
I don't recall Pinochet trying to bomb London, Birmingham, Manchester etc. The IRA did it regularly.The_Apocalypse said:
So the morality of these things only matter when they pose a direct threat to us? Well, it's one view I guess.0 -
Yup, there was a betting market on it, and I even did a thread on it.OUT said:In the interest of politics and it's betting implications i'm sure.
Note, this thread contains some of my worst ever puns.
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2017/01/15/want-to-bet-on-footage-of-that-golden-shower-appearing-on-a-porn-site-yes-wee-can/0 -
No, he only murdered and tortured Jonny Foreigners, so no problem.chestnut said:
I don't recall Pinochet trying to bomb London, Birmingham, Manchester etc. The IRA did it regularly.The_Apocalypse said:
So the morality of these things only matter when they pose a direct threat to us? Well, it's one view I guess.
I'm trying to remember the chronology - were the Tories cosying up to Pinochet before, after, or at the same time as they were being apologists for Apartheid?0 -
Not saying he wasn't rooting for leave, but I doubt he was entitled to vote.Theuniondivvie said:
Brexit lost a supporter.Scott_P said:0 -
Yeah, that's why I said supporter.Ishmael_Z said:
Not saying he wasn't rooting for leave, but I doubt he was entitled to vote.Theuniondivvie said:
Brexit lost a supporter.Scott_P said:
Edit: I'll at least allow he didn't bring many voters behind his standard.0 -
That would be about the same time that they were arming the Khymer Rouge and the Taliban of Aghanistan too, as I recall.SandyRentool said:
No, he only murdered and tortured Jonny Foreigners, so no problem.chestnut said:
I don't recall Pinochet trying to bomb London, Birmingham, Manchester etc. The IRA did it regularly.The_Apocalypse said:
So the morality of these things only matter when they pose a direct threat to us? Well, it's one view I guess.
I'm trying to remember the chronology - were the Tories cosying up to Pinochet before, after, or at the same time as they were being apologists for Apartheid?0 -
Brady, inevitably, was a Nat.Theuniondivvie said:
Brexit lost a supporter.Scott_P said:0 -
All three.SandyRentool said:
No, he only murdered and tortured Jonny Foreigners, so no problem.chestnut said:
I don't recall Pinochet trying to bomb London, Birmingham, Manchester etc. The IRA did it regularly.The_Apocalypse said:
So the morality of these things only matter when they pose a direct threat to us? Well, it's one view I guess.
I'm trying to remember the chronology - were the Tories cosying up to Pinochet before, after, or at the same time as they were being apologists for Apartheid?0 -
I wonder if Lewis’ comment has anything to do with a future leadership bid in two years or so?TheScreamingEagles said:Sun Politics✔@SunPolitics
Top Labour MP Clive Lewis says Jeremy Corbyn should stay as party’s leader even if he’s trounced in election0 -
The ultimate captive audience...MonikerDiCanio said:
Brady, inevitably, was a Nat.Theuniondivvie said:
Brexit lost a supporter.Scott_P said:0 -
I couldn't find an article about him since Gorton was called off - is Galloway standing?0
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I live 5 miles from sandwich-where does he sell it??SeanT said:
His bacon is genuinely brilliant.freetochoose said:
How interesting, I know the bloke you're talking about, not in person but he was recommended to meSeanT said:
A friend of mine in publishing recently abandoned his quite lucrative but increasingly dispiriting career to become... an artisanal butcher and foodie dude in Kent.Cyclefree said:
Dear Mr Llama: you are a very wise fellow.HurstLlama said:@CycleFree
"...It is one reason why I am contemplating a serious career change.
In the end, you can only beat your head against a brick wall for so long before you decide that there are better things to do with your life - and head."
Are you still pondering, Mrs. Free? Is there anything to really ponder about? You children are grown up, so what is stopping you doing what you want to do? Is it money? It was for me when I was thinking about bailing out of the public sector do do what I really wanted to do. In the end I just went for it and hang the financial security. There are a lot more important things in life, like enjoying it, we only get one crack at it and there isn't much to be said for being a financially secure corpse.
I know that there are at least three others who regularly post on this site who have made similar life changing decisions and all of us seem to have done OK. Financially at the very least we have all kept the lupine pest from lolling around on the front doorstep and I think we have all been much happier doing what we wanted to do.
But I will also admit to being a bit apprehensive. Like standing on the edge of the water wondering what it will be like to jump in.........
He had the life, the Chiswick house, the private schools for the kids, etc
Cushioned by London property prices he was able to sell up at a fat profit, buy a nice four bedroom oast house in Sandwich, and use the capital to invest in samphire picking and kombucha pickling.
It wasn't the bravest decision by any means (that London property left him with half a million capital as a safety net). But nonetheless it was a big wrench in terms of friends, connections, lifestyle.
He's never been happier. He walks the dogs and smokes his own bacon and sells it at intriguingly increasing profit. He is fulfilling himself, creatively, after a lifetime of corporate obedience.0 -
One can't help feel relieved that someone truly evil is gone... But given the body of Keith Bennett remains on those Moors and now Brady has taken that location to his grave the relief is tempered somewhat... Because he kept that final power he had over his victims to his death...Scott_P said:0 -
So, let me understand this - the IRA blowing up the British is equally justified?foxinsoxuk said:
That would be about the same time that they were arming the Khymer Rouge and the Taliban of Aghanistan too, as I recall.SandyRentool said:
No, he only murdered and tortured Jonny Foreigners, so no problem.chestnut said:
I don't recall Pinochet trying to bomb London, Birmingham, Manchester etc. The IRA did it regularly.The_Apocalypse said:
So the morality of these things only matter when they pose a direct threat to us? Well, it's one view I guess.
I'm trying to remember the chronology - were the Tories cosying up to Pinochet before, after, or at the same time as they were being apologists for Apartheid?
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It's the job of British politicians to pursue British interests.SandyRentool said:
No, he only murdered and tortured Jonny Foreigners, so no problem.chestnut said:
I don't recall Pinochet trying to bomb London, Birmingham, Manchester etc. The IRA did it regularly.The_Apocalypse said:
So the morality of these things only matter when they pose a direct threat to us? Well, it's one view I guess.
I'm trying to remember the chronology - were the Tories cosying up to Pinochet before, after, or at the same time as they were being apologists for Apartheid?
We can be sure that Corbyn would not, if he were PM.0 -
He says: “So I think there’s an argument that whatever happens Jeremy Corbyn stays in and makes sure he hands the Labour party over in good order.”SimonStClare said:
I wonder if Lewis’ comment has anything to do with a future leadership bid in two years or so?TheScreamingEagles said:Sun Politics✔@SunPolitics
Top Labour MP Clive Lewis says Jeremy Corbyn should stay as party’s leader even if he’s trounced in election
I think he missed out the words "to me" between "over" and "in".
Smart move by Lewis.0 -
I thought Pakistan are the chief backers of the Taliban.foxinsoxuk said:
That would be about the same time that they were arming the Khymer Rouge and the Taliban of Aghanistan too, as I recall.SandyRentool said:
No, he only murdered and tortured Jonny Foreigners, so no problem.chestnut said:
I don't recall Pinochet trying to bomb London, Birmingham, Manchester etc. The IRA did it regularly.The_Apocalypse said:
So the morality of these things only matter when they pose a direct threat to us? Well, it's one view I guess.
I'm trying to remember the chronology - were the Tories cosying up to Pinochet before, after, or at the same time as they were being apologists for Apartheid?0 -
Truly evil, or criminally insane?GIN1138 said:
One can't help feel relieved that someone truly evil is gone... But given the body of Keith Bennett remains on those Moors and now Brady has taken that location to his grave the relief is tempered somewhat... Because he kept that final power he had over his victims to his death...Scott_P said:
I recall the latter was the verdict of the court.0 -
this is surrealRepublicanTory said:
I live 5 miles from sandwich-where does he sell it??SeanT said:
His bacon is genuinely brilliant.freetochoose said:
How interesting, I know the bloke you're talking about, not in person but he was recommended to meSeanT said:
A friend of mine in publishing recently abandoned his quite lucrative but increasingly dispiriting career to become... an artisanal butcher and foodie dude in Kent.Cyclefree said:
Dear Mr Llama: you are a very wise fellow.HurstLlama said:@CycleFree
"...It is one reason why I am contemplating a serious career change.
In the end, you can only beat your head against a brick wall for so long before you decide that there are better things to do with your life - and head."
Are you still pondering, Mrs. Free? Is there anything to really ponder about? You children are grown up, so what is stopping you doing what you want to do? Is it money? It was for me when I was thinking about bailing out of the public sector do do what I really wanted to do. In the end I just went for it and hang the financial security. There are a lot more important things in life, like enjoying it, we only get one crack at it and there isn't much to be said for being a financially secure corpse.
I know that there are at least three others who regularly post on this site who have made similar life changing decisions and all of us seem to have done OK. Financially at the very least we have all kept the lupine pest from lolling around on the front doorstep and I think we have all been much happier doing what we wanted to do.
But I will also admit to being a bit apprehensive. Like standing on the edge of the water wondering what it will be like to jump in.........
He had the life, the Chiswick house, the private schools for the kids, etc
Cushioned by London property prices he was able to sell up at a fat profit, buy a nice four bedroom oast house in Sandwich, and use the capital to invest in samphire picking and kombucha pickling.
It wasn't the bravest decision by any means (that London property left him with half a million capital as a safety net). But nonetheless it was a big wrench in terms of friends, connections, lifestyle.
He's never been happier. He walks the dogs and smokes his own bacon and sells it at intriguingly increasing profit. He is fulfilling himself, creatively, after a lifetime of corporate obedience.0 -
Yes, Galloway is standingTheWhiteRabbit said:I couldn't find an article about him since Gorton was called off - is Galloway standing?
http://www.manchester.gov.uk/downloads/download/6694/statement_of_persons_nominated_and_notice_of_poll0 -
Crikey it was bad enough when I was a fascist, now I'm a moors murderer too.Theuniondivvie said:
Yeah, that's why I said supporter.Ishmael_Z said:
Not saying he wasn't rooting for leave, but I doubt he was entitled to vote.Theuniondivvie said:
Brexit lost a supporter.Scott_P said:
Edit: I'll at least allow he didn't bring many voters behind his standard.0 -
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Between 2 bits of bread?RepublicanTory said:
I live 5 miles from sandwich-where does he sell it??SeanT said:
His bacon is genuinely brilliant.freetochoose said:
How interesting, I know the bloke you're talking about, not in person but he was recommended to meSeanT said:
A friend of mine in publishing recently abandoned his quite lucrative but increasingly dispiriting career to become... an artisanal butcher and foodie dude in Kent.Cyclefree said:
Dear Mr Llama: you are a very wise fellow.HurstLlama said:@CycleFree
"...It is one reason why I am contemplating a serious career change.
In the end, you can only beat your head against a brick wall for so long before you decide that there are better things to do with your life - and head."
Are you still pondering, Mrs. Free? Is there anything to really ponder about? You children are grown up, so what is stopping you doing what you want to do? Is it money? It was for me when I was thinking about bailing out of the public sector do do what I really wanted to do. In the end I just went for it and hang the financial security. There are a lot more important things in life, like enjoying it, we only get one crack at it and there isn't much to be said for being a financially secure corpse.
I know that there are at least three others who regularly post on this site who have made similar life changing decisions and all of us seem to have done OK. Financially at the very least we have all kept the lupine pest from lolling around on the front doorstep and I think we have all been much happier doing what we wanted to do.
But I will also admit to being a bit apprehensive. Like standing on the edge of the water wondering what it will be like to jump in.........
He had the life, the Chiswick house, the private schools for the kids, etc
Cushioned by London property prices he was able to sell up at a fat profit, buy a nice four bedroom oast house in Sandwich, and use the capital to invest in samphire picking and kombucha pickling.
It wasn't the bravest decision by any means (that London property left him with half a million capital as a safety net). But nonetheless it was a big wrench in terms of friends, connections, lifestyle.
He's never been happier. He walks the dogs and smokes his own bacon and sells it at intriguingly increasing profit. He is fulfilling himself, creatively, after a lifetime of corporate obedience.0 -
Ash? Or Ham?RepublicanTory said:
I live 5 miles from sandwich-where does he sell it??SeanT said:
His bacon is genuinely brilliant.freetochoose said:
How interesting, I know the bloke you're talking about, not in person but he was recommended to meSeanT said:
A friend of mine in publishing recently abandoned his quite lucrative but increasingly dispiriting career to become... an artisanal butcher and foodie dude in Kent.Cyclefree said:
Dear Mr Llama: you are a very wise fellow.HurstLlama said:@CycleFree
"...It is one reason why I am contemplating a serious career change.
In the end, you can only beat your head against a brick wall for so long before you decide that there are better things to do with your life - and head."
Are you still pondering, Mrs. Free? Is there anything to really ponder about? You children are grown up, so what is stopping you doing what you want to do? Is it money? It was for me when I was thinking about bailing out of the public sector do do what I really wanted to do. In the end I just went for it and hang the financial security. There are a lot more important things in life, like enjoying it, we only get one crack at it and there isn't much to be said for being a financially secure corpse.
I know that there are at least three others who regularly post on this site who have made similar life changing decisions and all of us seem to have done OK. Financially at the very least we have all kept the lupine pest from lolling around on the front doorstep and I think we have all been much happier doing what we wanted to do.
But I will also admit to being a bit apprehensive. Like standing on the edge of the water wondering what it will be like to jump in.........
He had the life, the Chiswick house, the private schools for the kids, etc
Cushioned by London property prices he was able to sell up at a fat profit, buy a nice four bedroom oast house in Sandwich, and use the capital to invest in samphire picking and kombucha pickling.
It wasn't the bravest decision by any means (that London property left him with half a million capital as a safety net). But nonetheless it was a big wrench in terms of friends, connections, lifestyle.
He's never been happier. He walks the dogs and smokes his own bacon and sells it at intriguingly increasing profit. He is fulfilling himself, creatively, after a lifetime of corporate obedience.
I used to spend a lot of time in Sandwich (Delf St)0 -
Yes.TheWhiteRabbit said:I couldn't find an article about him since Gorton was called off - is Galloway standing?
http://www.manchester.gov.uk/download/downloads/id/24907/manchester_gorton_constituency_-_statement_of_persons_nominated_and_notice_of_poll.pdf0 -
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LOL!isam said:
Between 2 bits of bread?RepublicanTory said:
I live 5 miles from sandwich-where does he sell it??SeanT said:
His bacon is genuinely brilliant.freetochoose said:
How interesting, I know the bloke you're talking about, not in person but he was recommended to meSeanT said:
A friend of mine in publishing recently abandoned his quite lucrative but increasingly dispiriting career to become... an artisanal butcher and foodie dude in Kent.Cyclefree said:
Dear Mr Llama: you are a very wise fellow.HurstLlama said:@CycleFree
"...It is one reason why I am contemplating a serious career change.
In the end, you can only beat your head against a brick wall for so long before you decide that there are better things to do with your life - and head."
Are you still pondering, Mrs. Free? Is there anything to really ponder about? You children are grown up, so what is stopping you doing what you want to do? Is it money? It was for me when I was thinking about bailing out of the public sector do do what I really wanted to do. In the end I just went for it and hang the financial security. There are a lot more important things in life, like enjoying it, we only get one crack at it and there isn't much to be said for being a financially secure corpse.
I know that there are at least three others who regularly post on this site who have made similar life changing decisions and all of us seem to have done OK. Financially at the very least we have all kept the lupine pest from lolling around on the front doorstep and I think we have all been much happier doing what we wanted to do.
But I will also admit to being a bit apprehensive. Like standing on the edge of the water wondering what it will be like to jump in.........
He had the life, the Chiswick house, the private schools for the kids, etc
Cushioned by London property prices he was able to sell up at a fat profit, buy a nice four bedroom oast house in Sandwich, and use the capital to invest in samphire picking and kombucha pickling.
It wasn't the bravest decision by any means (that London property left him with half a million capital as a safety net). But nonetheless it was a big wrench in terms of friends, connections, lifestyle.
He's never been happier. He walks the dogs and smokes his own bacon and sells it at intriguingly increasing profit. He is fulfilling himself, creatively, after a lifetime of corporate obedience.
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In the case of Greece, they have relatively little debt maturing. The troika deal with them basically was the world's largest "extend and pretend", essentially a very large portion of their debt is close to zero interest and doesn't come due for decades. (I'm on a plane with a very slow connection so I can't check the exact numbers right now.) If all new debt was close to free for them, and this was replacing debt they were paying 6-7% on, then they would be able to use the difference to pay down their debt. (It's funny, we use "extend and pretend" a lot and imply it isn't sorting out a problem. But if someone says that debt equivalent to 100% of GDP is not repayable for 20 years and that there's no interest on it, then that's equivalent to a massive debt write off. After all., you save 20 years of debt repayments at - ooohhh... pick a numer - 3% of GDP.)HurstLlama said:
Mr Robert, jolly good. Where would such a plan leave Greece, which already has debts that will never be repaid, and, for that matter, Italy and Portugal?rcs1000 said:
If you'l excuse me for delving into the technical, the best proposed/suggestd Eurozone debt mutualisation plan was this:williamglenn said:Macron says he is not in favour of Eurozone debt mutualisation for any past debts. First diplomatic victory for Merkel?
- there would be an amount of mutualised debt up to, say, 60%* of GDP that countries were allowed to issue
- such debt is still issued by the country, and the country is still responsible for the repayment and debt service, but in the event of default the Eurozone was jointly and severally responsible for its repayment (in all likelihood, the ECB would step up)
- this would mean that the first chunk of debt a country issued would be very cheap, but that any additional debt on top of the 60% was very expensive
- this would be phased in by countries issuing new Eurozone guaranteed debt, not by converting existing debt
- the effect of this would be to remove all funding risk from highly indebted countries for about 6 to 10 years (as very few Eurozone countries have that much to roll over in the near term)
I don't think it's likely to happen. But if common Eurozone debt were to come about, this is likely how it would be implemented.
* The 60% is just a placeholder. Use whatever number you prefer.
I'd also point out that our friends in Ireland had debt that peaked at 125-130% of GDP at the height of the Eurozone crisis and had to be bailed out by the ECB. Their debt-to-GDP is now below ours, and will likely be close to 50% by 2020.
The Eurozone's (outside Greece) big problem is not debt loadings. It's lack of growth. And low growth is largely a consequence of poor demographics and inflexible labour markets.0 -
In 1980 it was Maggie.Sunil_Prasannan said:
I thought Pakistan are the chief backers of the Taliban.foxinsoxuk said:
That would be about the same time that they were arming the Khymer Rouge and the Taliban of Aghanistan too, as I recall.SandyRentool said:
No, he only murdered and tortured Jonny Foreigners, so no problem.chestnut said:
I don't recall Pinochet trying to bomb London, Birmingham, Manchester etc. The IRA did it regularly.The_Apocalypse said:
So the morality of these things only matter when they pose a direct threat to us? Well, it's one view I guess.
I'm trying to remember the chronology - were the Tories cosying up to Pinochet before, after, or at the same time as they were being apologists for Apartheid?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/dec/30/uk-mujahideen-afghanistan-soviet-invasion.
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Just trying to ketchup on the threadRoger said:
this is surrealRepublicanTory said:
I live 5 miles from sandwich-where does he sell it??SeanT said:
His bacon is genuinely brilliant.freetochoose said:
How interesting, I know the bloke you're talking about, not in person but he was recommended to meSeanT said:
A friend of mine in publishing recently abandoned his quite lucrative but increasingly dispiriting career to become... an artisanal butcher and foodie dude in Kent.Cyclefree said:
Dear Mr Llama: you are a very wise fellow.HurstLlama said:@CycleFree
"...It is one reason why I am contemplating a serious career change.
In the end, you can only beat your head against a brick wall for so long before you decide that there are better things to do with your life - and head."
Are you still pondering, Mrs. Free? Is there anything to really ponder about? You children are grown up, so what is stopping you doing what you want to do? Is it money? It was for me when I was thinking about bailing out of the public sector do do what I really wanted to do. In the end I just went for it and hang the financial security. There are a lot more important things in life, like enjoying it, we only get one crack at it and there isn't much to be said for being a financially secure corpse.
I know that there are at least three others who regularly post on this site who have made similar life changing decisions and all of us seem to have done OK. Financially at the very least we have all kept the lupine pest from lolling around on the front doorstep and I think we have all been much happier doing what we wanted to do.
But I will also admit to being a bit apprehensive. Like standing on the edge of the water wondering what it will be like to jump in.........
He had the life, the Chiswick house, the private schools for the kids, etc
Cushioned by London property prices he was able to sell up at a fat profit, buy a nice four bedroom oast house in Sandwich, and use the capital to invest in samphire picking and kombucha pickling.
It wasn't the bravest decision by any means (that London property left him with half a million capital as a safety net). But nonetheless it was a big wrench in terms of friends, connections, lifestyle.
He's never been happier. He walks the dogs and smokes his own bacon and sells it at intriguingly increasing profit. He is fulfilling himself, creatively, after a lifetime of corporate obedience.0 -
Myra Hindley was cremated and her ashes scattered - presumably the same awaits Brady?GIN1138 said:
One can't help feel relieved that someone truly evil is gone... But given the body of Keith Bennett remains on those Moors and now Brady has taken that location to his grave the relief is tempered somewhat... Because he kept that final power he had over his victims to his death...Scott_P said:0 -
Enjoy it with relishbobajobPB said:
Just trying to ketchup on the threadRoger said:
this is surrealRepublicanTory said:
I live 5 miles from sandwich-where does he sell it??SeanT said:
His bacon is genuinely brilliant.freetochoose said:
How interesting, I know the bloke you're talking about, not in person but he was recommended to meSeanT said:
A friend of mine in publishing recently abandoned his quite lucrative but increasingly dispiriting career to become... an artisanal butcher and foodie dude in Kent.Cyclefree said:
Dear Mr Llama: you are a very wise fellow.HurstLlama said:@CycleFree
"...It is one reason why I am contemplating a serious career change.
In the end, you can only beat your head against a brick wall for so long before you decide that there are better things to do with your life - and head."
Are you still pondering, Mrs. Free? Is there anything to really ponder about? You children are grown up, so what is stopping you doing what you want to do? Is it money? It was for me when I was thinking about bailing out of the public sector do do what I really wanted to do. In the end I just went for it and hang the financial security. There are a lot more important things in life, like enjoying it, we only get one crack at it and there isn't much to be said for being a financially secure corpse.
I know that there are at least three others who regularly post on this site who have made similar life changing decisions and all of us seem to have done OK. Financially at the very least we have all kept the lupine pest from lolling around on the front doorstep and I think we have all been much happier doing what we wanted to do.
But I will also admit to being a bit apprehensive. Like standing on the edge of the water wondering what it will be like to jump in.........
He had the life, the Chiswick house, the private schools for the kids, etc
Cushioned by London property prices he was able to sell up at a fat profit, buy a nice four bedroom oast house in Sandwich, and use the capital to invest in samphire picking and kombucha pickling.
It wasn't the bravest decision by any means (that London property left him with half a million capital as a safety net). But nonetheless it was a big wrench in terms of friends, connections, lifestyle.
He's never been happier. He walks the dogs and smokes his own bacon and sells it at intriguingly increasing profit. He is fulfilling himself, creatively, after a lifetime of corporate obedience.
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Hmm, is there a market for a tiny flutter on Gove being back in cabinet after the election?0
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TSE is around so it's bound to be saucy.bobajobPB said:
Just trying to ketchup on the threadRoger said:
this is surrealRepublicanTory said:
I live 5 miles from sandwich-where does he sell it??SeanT said:
His bacon is genuinely brilliant.freetochoose said:
How interesting, I know the bloke you're talking about, not in person but he was recommended to meSeanT said:
A friend of mine in publishing recently abandoned his quite lucrative but increasingly dispiriting career to become... an artisanal butcher and foodie dude in Kent.Cyclefree said:
Dear Mr Llama: you are a very wise fellow.HurstLlama said:@CycleFree
"...It is one reason why I am contemplating a serious career change.
In the end, you can only beat your head against a brick wall for so long before you decide that there are better things to do with your life - and head."
Are you still pondering, Mrs. Free? Is there anything to really ponder about? You children are grown up, so what is stopping you doing what you want to do? Is it money? It was for me when I was thinking about bailing out of the public sector do do what I really wanted to do. In the end I just went for it and hang the financial security. There are a lot more important things in life, like enjoying it, we only get one crack at it and there isn't much to be said for being a financially secure corpse.
I know that there are at least three others who regularly post on this site who have made similar life changing decisions and all of us seem to have done OK. Financially at the very least we have all kept the lupine pest from lolling around on the front doorstep and I think we have all been much happier doing what we wanted to do.
But I will also admit to being a bit apprehensive. Like standing on the edge of the water wondering what it will be like to jump in.........
He had the life, the Chiswick house, the private schools for the kids, etc
Cushioned by London property prices he was able to sell up at a fat profit, buy a nice four bedroom oast house in Sandwich, and use the capital to invest in samphire picking and kombucha pickling.
It wasn't the bravest decision by any means (that London property left him with half a million capital as a safety net). But nonetheless it was a big wrench in terms of friends, connections, lifestyle.
He's never been happier. He walks the dogs and smokes his own bacon and sells it at intriguingly increasing profit. He is fulfilling himself, creatively, after a lifetime of corporate obedience.0 -
Thanks goodness Brady is dead....it is similar to the UK removing the worst kind of insidious splinter that has been buried deep inside...it's gone, and with it all that awfulness......0
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Wish I could, but Sandwich is a pig to get toTim_B said:
Enjoy it with relishbobajobPB said:
Just trying to ketchup on the threadRoger said:
this is surrealRepublicanTory said:
I live 5 miles from sandwich-where does he sell it??SeanT said:
His bacon is genuinely brilliant.freetochoose said:
How interesting, I know the bloke you're talking about, not in person but he was recommended to meSeanT said:
A friend of mine in publishing recently abandoned his quite lucrative but increasingly dispiriting career to become... an artisanal butcher and foodie dude in Kent.Cyclefree said:
Dear Mr Llama: you are a very wise fellow.HurstLlama said:@CycleFree
"...It is one reason why I am contemplating a serious career change.
In the end, you can only beat your head against a brick wall for so long before you decide that there are better things to do with your life - and head."
Are you still pondering, Mrs. Free? Is there anything to really ponder about? You children are grown up, so what is stopping you doing what you want to do? Is it money? It was for me when I was thinking about bailing out of the public sector do do what I really wanted to do. In the end I just went for it and hang the financial security. There are a lot more important things in life, like enjoying it, we only get one crack at it and there isn't much to be said for being a financially secure corpse.
I know that there are at least three others who regularly post on this site who have made similar life changing decisions and all of us seem to have done OK. Financially at the very least we have all kept the lupine pest from lolling around on the front doorstep and I think we have all been much happier doing what we wanted to do.
But I will also admit to being a bit apprehensive. Like standing on the edge of the water wondering what it will be like to jump in.........
He had the life, the Chiswick house, the private schools for the kids, etc
Cushioned by London property prices he was able to sell up at a fat profit, buy a nice four bedroom oast house in Sandwich, and use the capital to invest in samphire picking and kombucha pickling.
It wasn't the bravest decision by any means (that London property left him with half a million capital as a safety net). But nonetheless it was a big wrench in terms of friends, connections, lifestyle.
He's never been happier. He walks the dogs and smokes his own bacon and sells it at intriguingly increasing profit. He is fulfilling himself, creatively, after a lifetime of corporate obedience.0 -
If that is an accurate quote from Clive Lewis tonight may I say how much I agree with it. As far as I am concerned Jeremy Corbyn can remain Labour leader for life. He is the best Labour leader of my lifetime.0
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Quite wrong. He was convicted of murder.foxinsoxuk said:
Truly evil, or criminally insane?GIN1138 said:
One can't help feel relieved that someone truly evil is gone... But given the body of Keith Bennett remains on those Moors and now Brady has taken that location to his grave the relief is tempered somewhat... Because he kept that final power he had over his victims to his death...Scott_P said:
I recall the latter was the verdict of the court.0 -
Yes, by "staying on" Lewis could mean staying on for one daySandyRentool said:
He says: “So I think there’s an argument that whatever happens Jeremy Corbyn stays in and makes sure he hands the Labour party over in good order.”SimonStClare said:
I wonder if Lewis’ comment has anything to do with a future leadership bid in two years or so?TheScreamingEagles said:Sun Politics✔@SunPolitics
Top Labour MP Clive Lewis says Jeremy Corbyn should stay as party’s leader even if he’s trounced in election
I think he missed out the words "to me" between "over" and "in".
Smart move by Lewis.0 -
I can't help feeling that, if Labour supporters want to claim the moral high ground, they would be well advised not to make jokes about children tortured to death.0
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Cos you got GoveTheScreamingEagles said:
To be fair the likes of Michael Gove were prepared for Dave to continue on, but Dave realised you lose a nation changing referendum, you have to go.kle4 said:
What? This has to be a feint, right? Like how Tory MPs were pretending Cameron would be fine to stay on if he lost the referendum, so they could present as loyal to the end?TheScreamingEagles said:hts://twitter.com/SunPolitics/status/864228947411832832
Gove
Gove on your side
Cos you got Gove
Gove
Gove on your side
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That'll scupper her chances of becoming PMfoxinsoxuk said:
In 1980 it was Maggie.Sunil_Prasannan said:
I thought Pakistan are the chief backers of the Taliban.foxinsoxuk said:
That would be about the same time that they were arming the Khymer Rouge and the Taliban of Aghanistan too, as I recall.SandyRentool said:
No, he only murdered and tortured Jonny Foreigners, so no problem.chestnut said:
I don't recall Pinochet trying to bomb London, Birmingham, Manchester etc. The IRA did it regularly.The_Apocalypse said:
So the morality of these things only matter when they pose a direct threat to us? Well, it's one view I guess.
I'm trying to remember the chronology - were the Tories cosying up to Pinochet before, after, or at the same time as they were being apologists for Apartheid?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/dec/30/uk-mujahideen-afghanistan-soviet-invasion.
So while Jezza was chatting to the IRA, Maggie was arming and training Islamist guerrillas.0 -
There are only 3 countries outside the US who would be running notable human or technical resources into IS territory.Scott_P said:
Not surprisingly, we are one. Who knows Mr Cheeto face there may have been blabbing to our's and the West's detriment.
As for Paul Ryan, he might have a fire lit under his arse soon himself but his comments are, maybe but maybe not, notable.
Watch if the GOP starts stepping a yard away from Donald, watch if Democrats start talking impeachment. There is enough connections up Capitol Hill to know if something is going to come down on the White House head, even if they don't know the detail. Everyone will want to be seem to be doing the right thing....0 -
He was moved into a secure unit after being declared insane, but that was well into the 90's IIRC.Ishmael_Z said:
Quite wrong. He was convicted of murder.foxinsoxuk said:
Truly evil, or criminally insane?GIN1138 said:
One can't help feel relieved that someone truly evil is gone... But given the body of Keith Bennett remains on those Moors and now Brady has taken that location to his grave the relief is tempered somewhat... Because he kept that final power he had over his victims to his death...Scott_P said:
I recall the latter was the verdict of the court.0 -
Nah - he doesn't cut the mustardThreeQuidder said:
TSE is around so it's bound to be saucy.bobajobPB said:
Just trying to ketchup on the threadRoger said:
this is surrealRepublicanTory said:
I live 5 miles from sandwich-where does he sell it??SeanT said:
His bacon is genuinely brilliant.freetochoose said:
How interesting, I know the bloke you're talking about, not in person but he was recommended to meSeanT said:
A friend of mine in publishing recently abandoned his quite lucrative but increasingly dispiriting career to become... an artisanal butcher and foodie dude in Kent.Cyclefree said:
Dear Mr Llama: you are a very wise fellow.HurstLlama said:@CycleFree
"...It is one reason why I am contemplating a serious career change.
In the end, you can only beat your head against a brick wall for so long before you decide that there are better things to do with your life - and head."
Are you still pondering, Mrs. Free? Is there anything to really ponder about? You children are grown up, so what is stopping you doing what you want to do? Is it money? It was for me when I was thinking about bailing out of the public sector do do what I really wanted to do. In the end I just went for it and hang the financial security. There are a lot more important things in life, like enjoying it, we only get one crack at it and there isn't much to be said for being a financially secure corpse.
I know that there are at least three others who regularly post on this site who have made similar life changing decisions and all of us seem to have done OK. Financially at the very least we have all kept the lupine pest from lolling around on the front doorstep and I think we have all been much happier doing what we wanted to do.
But I will also admit to being a bit apprehensive. Like standing on the edge of the water wondering what it will be like to jump in.........
He had the life, the Chiswick house, the private schools for the kids, etc
Cushioned by London property prices he was able to sell up at a fat profit, buy a nice four bedroom oast house in Sandwich, and use the capital to invest in samphire picking and kombucha pickling.
It wasn't the bravest decision by any means (that London property left him with half a million capital as a safety net). But nonetheless it was a big wrench in terms of friends, connections, lifestyle.
He's never been happier. He walks the dogs and smokes his own bacon and sells it at intriguingly increasing profit. He is fulfilling himself, creatively, after a lifetime of corporate obedience.0 -
Been done already, right enoughRichard_Nabavi said:I can't help feeling that, if Labour supporters want to claim the moral high ground, they would be well advised not to make jokes about children tortured to death.
https://twitter.com/naeborder/status/8496466151493345290 -
Hamas have never attacked the UK. So I guess no one will bother making reference to Corbyn's association with them during this campaign, it's not really relevant. Doesn't really matter what they do in their own backyard.chestnut said:
I don't recall Pinochet trying to bomb London, Birmingham, Manchester etc. The IRA did it regularly.The_Apocalypse said:
So the morality of these things only matter when they pose a direct threat to us? Well, it's one view I guess.0 -
That was the Mujahadeen NOT the Taliban. The Taliban overthrew the Mujahadeen.foxinsoxuk said:
In 1980 it was Maggie.Sunil_Prasannan said:
I thought Pakistan are the chief backers of the Taliban.foxinsoxuk said:
That would be about the same time that they were arming the Khymer Rouge and the Taliban of Aghanistan too, as I recall.SandyRentool said:
No, he only murdered and tortured Jonny Foreigners, so no problem.chestnut said:
I don't recall Pinochet trying to bomb London, Birmingham, Manchester etc. The IRA did it regularly.The_Apocalypse said:
So the morality of these things only matter when they pose a direct threat to us? Well, it's one view I guess.
I'm trying to remember the chronology - were the Tories cosying up to Pinochet before, after, or at the same time as they were being apologists for Apartheid?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/dec/30/uk-mujahideen-afghanistan-soviet-invasion.
So while Jezza was chatting to the IRA, Maggie was arming and training Islamist guerrillas.0 -
In a very similar way is the UK's debt/GDP ratio really all that high? Of the £1.73tn stock of debt £0.44tn has real net interest rate of zero, is it real debt if there is no interest payable and the owner/creditor of said debt is unlikely to ever call it in given that it is essentially just a branch of the debtor?rcs1000 said:In the case of Greece, they have relatively little debt maturing. The troika deal with them basically was the world's largest "extend and pretend", essentially a very large portion of their debt is close to zero interest and doesn't come due for decades. (I'm on a plane with a very slow connection so I can't check the exact numbers right now.) If all new debt was close to free for them, and this was replacing debt they were paying 6-7% on, then they would be able to use the difference to pay down their debt. (It's funny, we use "extend and pretend" a lot and imply it isn't sorting out a problem. But if someone says that debt equivalent to 100% of GDP is not repayable for 20 years and that there's no interest on it, then that's equivalent to a massive debt write off. After all., you save 20 years of debt repayments at - ooohhh... pick a numer - 3% of GDP.)
I'd also point out that our friends in Ireland had debt that peaked at 125-130% of GDP at the height of the Eurozone crisis and had to be bailed out by the ECB. Their debt-to-GDP is now below ours, and will likely be close to 50% by 2020.
The Eurozone's (outside Greece) big problem is not debt loadings. It's lack of growth. And low growth is largely a consequence of poor demographics and inflexible labour markets.
I would put it that the Greek bailout, all global QE (including ours) will eventually just be written off once enough time has passed in order to normalise the sovereign debt market.0 -
The Tory press tonight spouting the usual crap that people in the top 5% of earners are 'Middle Class'.
Operation False Consciousness in full swing.
Night night all.0 -
To be honest, I think he had only the vaguest idea where the bodies were buried...foxinsoxuk said:
Truly evil, or criminally insane?GIN1138 said:
One can't help feel relieved that someone truly evil is gone... But given the body of Keith Bennett remains on those Moors and now Brady has taken that location to his grave the relief is tempered somewhat... Because he kept that final power he had over his victims to his death...Scott_P said:
I recall the latter was the verdict of the court.
That said, criminally insane is arbitrary....anyone who takes pleasure in killing living, breathing sentient life should not judge someone like Brady.....
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Not that I ever believe these sub samples but could I just point out that today's polls have the SNP at 49% (ICM) and 47% (Survation).
I know that this is not what most PBeers want to hear but could SNP vote be hardening against the reports of a Tory surge?0 -
What does top 5% mean in terms of money? The difference between the top 0.1% and top 1% is pretty vast in absolute terms iirc so top 5% probably includes a lot of "ordinary" people.SandyRentool said:The Tory press tonight spouting the usual crap that people in the top 5% of earners are 'Middle Class'.
Operation False Consciousness in full swing.
Night night all.0 -
It is DEFINITELY open to all-no academic tests -but they do interview the child and make sure it is their choice as well -not just Mum and Dad palming them off.freetochoose said:
Are you sure its not just military families - it always was.RepublicanTory said:
So is Duke of Yorks RMS at Dover-Really good school and is NOT just for military families as the name might suggest.HYUFD said:
There is at least 1 state comprehensive boarding schoolydoethur said:
Did he call for it to stop taking boarders as well?HYUFD said:Interesting interview with Corbyn, including the revelation that he took part in debates at his grammar school calling for it to be made comprehensive
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/schools/state-comprehensive-boarding-school-royal-alexandra-albert-offers-best-of-both-worlds-8968092.html
And I'm not sure its a really good school anymore.
And it is a great school-had a problem about 5 years ago with some bullying but dealt with and now is a great school.0 -
I submit, ladies and gentlemen, the above post for your inspection. Savour it in all its full moral and political madness.tyson said:That said, criminally insane is arbitrary....anyone who takes pleasure in killing living, breathing sentient life should not judge someone like Brady.....
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Thank goodness no one from the Mujahideen ended up being a naughty boy.Sunil_Prasannan said:
That was the Mujahadeen NOT the Taliban. The Taliban overthrew the Mujahadeen.foxinsoxuk said:
In 1980 it was Maggie.Sunil_Prasannan said:
I thought Pakistan are the chief backers of the Taliban.foxinsoxuk said:
That would be about the same time that they were arming the Khymer Rouge and the Taliban of Aghanistan too, as I recall.SandyRentool said:
No, he only murdered and tortured Jonny Foreigners, so no problem.chestnut said:
I don't recall Pinochet trying to bomb London, Birmingham, Manchester etc. The IRA did it regularly.The_Apocalypse said:
So the morality of these things only matter when they pose a direct threat to us? Well, it's one view I guess.
I'm trying to remember the chronology - were the Tories cosying up to Pinochet before, after, or at the same time as they were being apologists for Apartheid?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/dec/30/uk-mujahideen-afghanistan-soviet-invasion.
So while Jezza was chatting to the IRA, Maggie was arming and training Islamist guerrillas.0 -
RICHARD....Can you please refrain from being such a pompous, self righteous, pain in the arse, prig....just for a millisecond...thanks in advance. Kind regards Tyson....Richard_Nabavi said:I can't help feeling that, if Labour supporters want to claim the moral high ground, they would be well advised not to make jokes about children tortured to death.
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Jonny Geller is one of the world's top literary agents. Has he signed up 2017's Deep Throat, or what?Scott_P said:0 -
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Newsnight reports Labour will announce tomorrow it will renationalise the water industry too0
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Yougov today has the SNP on 41% in a proper Scottish poll not just a subsamplescotslass said:Not that I ever believe these sub samples but could I just point out that today's polls have the SNP at 49% (ICM) and 47% (Survation).
I know that this is not what most PBeers want to hear but could SNP vote be hardening against the reports of a Tory surge?
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/05/15/voting-intention-regional-breakdown-apr-24-may-5/0 -
I'm sorry to be the one to break it to you, but you're just a bloke on the internet.isam said:
Crikey it was bad enough when I was a fascist, now I'm a moors murderer too.Theuniondivvie said:
Yeah, that's why I said supporter.Ishmael_Z said:
Not saying he wasn't rooting for leave, but I doubt he was entitled to vote.Theuniondivvie said:
Brexit lost a supporter.Scott_P said:
Edit: I'll at least allow he didn't bring many voters behind his standard.
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And the money will come from.....that magic money forest ain't half getting a bashing.HYUFD said:Newsnight reports Labour will announce tomorrow it will renationalise the water industry too
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There were two surveys over the weekend - ORB and Opinium - putting Labour on 32%. Moreover if 2015 methodologies were still being used the polls would be showing a range of 30% - 34%.Philip_Thompson said:
This notion that Labour is doing as well as it got under Miliband in the polls is a complete myth and I don't understand where it is coming from.Black_Rook said:"This is of course all reflected in the polls. Upto GE2015 LAB could largely take the working class vote for granted but now large swathes of it have disappeared.
From what I can gather everything that was predicted about Corbyn’s leadership in a general election is actually happening. He is proving a massive negative and his supporters are left trying to find even more excuses."
Except that the headline VI now seems to show Labour doing little or no worse than in 2015. ICM excepted, all of the recent surveys now have Labour on 30-32% GB-wide.
All the more reason to suppose that said surveys are, in fact, bollocks.
In 2015 Labour got a bit over 31% of the GB (not UK) vote. Lets round down to 31% to keep it easy.
According to UK Polling Report of the 11 surveys completed in May, Labour has matched the 31% once (ORB) and scored less than 31% in 10 out of 11 surveys. There has not been a single survey where Labour outperformed 31%.
Labour is polling worse now than it achieved under Ed. That is without taking Labour's historical (including 2015) tendency to underperform polls into account.0 -
Subsample klaxon!scotslass said:Not that I ever believe these sub samples but could I just point out that today's polls have the SNP at 49% (ICM) and 47% (Survation).
I know that this is not what most PBeers want to hear but could SNP vote be hardening against the reports of a Tory surge? 0 -
I think that's absolutely right. I wrote a thought piece (in my previous life as a fund manager) that made exactly that point.MaxPB said:
In a very similar way is the UK's debt/GDP ratio really all that high? Of the £1.73tn stock of debt £0.44tn has real net interest rate of zero, is it real debt if there is no interest payable and the owner/creditor of said debt is unlikely to ever call it in given that it is essentially just a branch of the debtor?rcs1000 said:In the case of Greece, they have relatively little debt maturing. The troika deal with them basically was the world's largest "extend and pretend", essentially a very large portion of their debt is close to zero interest and doesn't come due for decades. (I'm on a plane with a very slow connection so I can't check the exact numbers right now.) If all new debt was close to free for them, and this was replacing debt they were paying 6-7% on, then they would be able to use the difference to pay down their debt. (It's funny, we use "extend and pretend" a lot and imply it isn't sorting out a problem. But if someone says that debt equivalent to 100% of GDP is not repayable for 20 years and that there's no interest on it, then that's equivalent to a massive debt write off. After all., you save 20 years of debt repayments at - ooohhh... pick a numer - 3% of GDP.)
I'd also point out that our friends in Ireland had debt that peaked at 125-130% of GDP at the height of the Eurozone crisis and had to be bailed out by the ECB. Their debt-to-GDP is now below ours, and will likely be close to 50% by 2020.
The Eurozone's (outside Greece) big problem is not debt loadings. It's lack of growth. And low growth is largely a consequence of poor demographics and inflexible labour markets.
I would put it that the Greek bailout, all global QE (including ours) will eventually just be written off once enough time has passed in order to normalise the sovereign debt market.
Which was why hunchman was always completely bat shit crazy. There is no global government debt crisis given the creditors (the central banks) will never demand repayment.
Where is hunchman, by the way? I haven't seen him on Finchley Road looking for the global centre of lizard government for some time.0 -
We don't call you Justin Kill'Em Short Straws for nothing...justin124 said:
There were two surveys over the weekend - ORB and Opinium - putting Labour on 32%. Moreover if 2015 methodologies were still being used the polls would be showing a range of 30% - 34%.Philip_Thompson said:
This notion that Labour is doing as well as it got under Miliband in the polls is a complete myth and I don't understand where it is coming from.Black_Rook said:"This is of course all reflected in the polls. Upto GE2015 LAB could largely take the working class vote for granted but now large swathes of it have disappeared.
From what I can gather everything that was predicted about Corbyn’s leadership in a general election is actually happening. He is proving a massive negative and his supporters are left trying to find even more excuses."
Except that the headline VI now seems to show Labour doing little or no worse than in 2015. ICM excepted, all of the recent surveys now have Labour on 30-32% GB-wide.
All the more reason to suppose that said surveys are, in fact, bollocks.
In 2015 Labour got a bit over 31% of the GB (not UK) vote. Lets round down to 31% to keep it easy.
According to UK Polling Report of the 11 surveys completed in May, Labour has matched the 31% once (ORB) and scored less than 31% in 10 out of 11 surveys. There has not been a single survey where Labour outperformed 31%.
Labour is polling worse now than it achieved under Ed. That is without taking Labour's historical (including 2015) tendency to underperform polls into account.0 -
HUYFD quoting a 'proper' poll over a sub sample.HYUFD said:
Yougov today has the SNP on 41% in a proper Scottish poll not just a subsamplescotslass said:Not that I ever believe these sub samples but could I just point out that today's polls have the SNP at 49% (ICM) and 47% (Survation).
I know that this is not what most PBeers want to hear but could SNP vote be hardening against the reports of a Tory surge?
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/05/15/voting-intention-regional-breakdown-apr-24-may-5/
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