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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990

    President Trump revealed highly classified information to the Russian foreign minister and ambassador in a White House meeting last week, according to current and former U.S. officials, who said that Trump’s disclosures jeopardized a critical source of intelligence on the Islamic State.

    The information Trump relayed had been provided by a U.S. partner through an intelligence-sharing arrangement considered so sensitive that details have been withheld from allies and tightly restricted even within the U.S. government, officials said.

    The partner had not given the United States permission to share the material with Russia, and officials said that Trump’s decision to do so risks cooperation from an ally that has access to the inner workings of the Islamic State. After Trump’s meeting, senior White House officials took steps to contain the damage, placing calls to the CIA and National Security Agency.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-revealed-highly-classified-information-to-russian-foreign-minister-and-ambassador/2017/05/15/530c172a-3960-11e7-9e48-c4f199710b69_story.html?utm_term=.0f98c8a44c2a

    I wonder if the head of ISIS is a CIA mole. :p
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    OUTOUT Posts: 569

    President Trump revealed highly classified information to the Russian foreign minister and ambassador in a White House meeting last week, according to current and former U.S. officials, who said that Trump’s disclosures jeopardized a critical source of intelligence on the Islamic State.

    The information Trump relayed had been provided by a U.S. partner through an intelligence-sharing arrangement considered so sensitive that details have been withheld from allies and tightly restricted even within the U.S. government, officials said.

    The partner had not given the United States permission to share the material with Russia, and officials said that Trump’s decision to do so risks cooperation from an ally that has access to the inner workings of the Islamic State. After Trump’s meeting, senior White House officials took steps to contain the damage, placing calls to the CIA and National Security Agency.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-revealed-highly-classified-information-to-russian-foreign-minister-and-ambassador/2017/05/15/530c172a-3960-11e7-9e48-c4f199710b69_story.html?utm_term=.0f98c8a44c2a

    Those photo's the Russians have come in handy.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990

    twitter.com/SunPolitics/status/864228947411832832

    PB Tories 4 Corbyn, rejoice!
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,267
    edited May 2017

    Pulpstar said:

    Edinburgh South is certainly not a lost cause for Labour.
    I'd rather they sent Scottish troops to East Lothian though..

    I'm not sure last time Scottish troops were in East Lothian it ended well
    Not for the Hanoverians anyway.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,584
    OUT said:

    President Trump revealed highly classified information to the Russian foreign minister and ambassador in a White House meeting last week, according to current and former U.S. officials, who said that Trump’s disclosures jeopardized a critical source of intelligence on the Islamic State.

    The information Trump relayed had been provided by a U.S. partner through an intelligence-sharing arrangement considered so sensitive that details have been withheld from allies and tightly restricted even within the U.S. government, officials said.

    The partner had not given the United States permission to share the material with Russia, and officials said that Trump’s decision to do so risks cooperation from an ally that has access to the inner workings of the Islamic State. After Trump’s meeting, senior White House officials took steps to contain the damage, placing calls to the CIA and National Security Agency.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-revealed-highly-classified-information-to-russian-foreign-minister-and-ambassador/2017/05/15/530c172a-3960-11e7-9e48-c4f199710b69_story.html?utm_term=.0f98c8a44c2a

    Those photo's the Russians have come in handy.
    Why do I get the feeling at some point in the near future the video of those Russian prostitutes peeing in front of Donald Trump is going to be leaked, and I'll be forced to watch it.
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    You can tell how well Labour's election campaign is going by the fact that the next leadership election campaign is already being trailed in the press.
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    Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    President Trump revealed highly classified information to the Russian foreign minister and ambassador in a White House meeting last week, according to current and former U.S. officials, who said that Trump’s disclosures jeopardized a critical source of intelligence on the Islamic State.

    The information Trump relayed had been provided by a U.S. partner through an intelligence-sharing arrangement considered so sensitive that details have been withheld from allies and tightly restricted even within the U.S. government, officials said.

    The partner had not given the United States permission to share the material with Russia, and officials said that Trump’s decision to do so risks cooperation from an ally that has access to the inner workings of the Islamic State. After Trump’s meeting, senior White House officials took steps to contain the damage, placing calls to the CIA and National Security Agency.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-revealed-highly-classified-information-to-russian-foreign-minister-and-ambassador/2017/05/15/530c172a-3960-11e7-9e48-c4f199710b69_story.html?utm_term=.0f98c8a44c2a


    Very responsible of the sources to blab the whole thing to the WaPo, then.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Tempus Fugit - this month (the 29th) is the centenary of JFK's birth.

    Even today, in Dealey Plaza it is aways November 22nd, 1963.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,048

    hts://twitter.com/SunPolitics/status/864228947411832832

    What? This has to be a feint, right? Like how Tory MPs were pretending Cameron would be fine to stay on if he lost the referendum, so they could present as loyal to the end?
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,449

    ELBOW for week-ending 14th May, updated for Survation and ICM:

    	       Con	Lab	LD	UKIP	Tory Lead
    23-Apr-17 45.5 26.1 10.4 8.6 19.4
    30-Apr-17 46.3 28.1 10.2 6.7 18.2
    07-May-17 47.1 28.5 9.4 6.4 18.6
    14-May-17 47.1 30.2 9.2 5.3 16.9
    Any chance of a graph, Dr P?
    Now that I have four data points - yes :)

    https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/864230533311713280
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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    chestnut said:


    So the morality of these things only matter when they pose a direct threat to us? Well, it's one view I guess.

    I don't recall Pinochet trying to bomb London, Birmingham, Manchester etc. The IRA did it regularly.

    Yes, and that doesn't meant that Pinochet's actions in his own country weren't awful. It's not exactly a crazy position to dislike the action of both Pinochet and the IRA.
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133

    Sean_F said:

    FF43 said:



    I admit I am not massively exercised by Corbyn's fellow travelling with the IRA. There are complicated and conflated reasons. We're supposed to have moved on from the Troubles. It's a bitter pill to swallow to accept as pillars of our society baby murderers who haven't​ acknowledged their evil deeds let alone atoned for them, but we swallow the pill because it has to be better than the killings. I have less energy for Corbyn who of course didn't kill anyone. Many people compromised with the killers. They were doing that in the course of duty while Jeremy Corbyn was freelancing, but it is all very murky and Corbyn doesn't really stand out from the murk.

    I am really more interested in what's happening now. I am not aware of Corbyn being egregious. Unlike Liam Fox who said Rodrigo Duterte, killer of drug addicts in cold blood, "shares our values" How dare Fox speak for us!

    Sorry but how is openly sympathising with people who murdered innocents in any fucking way at all "murky"?

    Here's an article from the Guardian on the subject. The Guardian. Not the Mail, not England football fans.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk/1999/jun/02/northernireland.kevintoolis

    "Obviously if the peace process is to continue we must draw a line somewhere on the past and its crimes. But that does not mean we have to indulge republicans at every turn."

    100% correct.

    Corbyn's support of the IRA's murderers is unforgivable to me, or many others who nevertheless have - as you say - moved on from the Troubles.
    Whereas the Tories just had mates like General Pinochet:

    "During the period of Pinochet's rule, various investigations have identified the murder of 1,200 to 3,200 people with up to 80,000 people forcibly interned and as many as 30,000 tortured. According to the Chilean government, the official number of deaths and forced disappearances stands at 3,095." (Wikipedia)
    Yep. I've always wondered how Tories on here felt about this.
    I feel ..... Nothing.

    Pinochet, unlike the IRA was no danger to this country.
    So the morality of these things only matter when they pose a direct threat to us? Well, it's one view I guess.
    It's the same view as those who think Stalin was actually laudable, rather than simply a necessary ally.
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    OUTOUT Posts: 569

    OUT said:

    President Trump revealed highly classified information to the Russian foreign minister and ambassador in a White House meeting last week, according to current and former U.S. officials, who said that Trump’s disclosures jeopardized a critical source of intelligence on the Islamic State.

    The information Trump relayed had been provided by a U.S. partner through an intelligence-sharing arrangement considered so sensitive that details have been withheld from allies and tightly restricted even within the U.S. government, officials said.

    The partner had not given the United States permission to share the material with Russia, and officials said that Trump’s decision to do so risks cooperation from an ally that has access to the inner workings of the Islamic State. After Trump’s meeting, senior White House officials took steps to contain the damage, placing calls to the CIA and National Security Agency.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-revealed-highly-classified-information-to-russian-foreign-minister-and-ambassador/2017/05/15/530c172a-3960-11e7-9e48-c4f199710b69_story.html?utm_term=.0f98c8a44c2a

    Those photo's the Russians have come in handy.
    Why do I get the feeling at some point in the near future the video of those Russian prostitutes peeing in front of Donald Trump is going to be leaked, and I'll be forced to watch it.
    In the interest of politics and it's betting implications i'm sure.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    kle4 said:

    HaroldO said:

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:



    You may well be right. *whispers*I think Wrath of Khan is overrated.*endswhisper* so I'm not sure.

    You what?

    Please tell me you're joking.

    The Wrath of Khan is one of the finest films of all time.
    To misuse a phrase - you may well think that, I could not possibly comment. Any further. In order to be wise.
    Tell me you consider Star Trek V: The Final Frontier the worst Star Trek film ever?

    That will redeem you in my eyes.
    Not The Search For Spock?

    Nemesis is the pits but its TNG.
    I liked Search for Spock a lot, had so many iconic moments.

    My ranking of original series Star Trek films

    1) Wrath of Khan 2) The Undiscovered Country 3) The Voyage Home 4) The Search for Spock 5) The Motion Picture: The Director's Edition 6) The Final Frontier.
    Isn't it amazing that political anoraks can reveal an even sadder side...
    My experience is that people who are anoraks in one obscure area, are probably anoraks in others as well (not that such mainstream stuff is obscure).

    Could be worse - anyone collect antique globes? (I kid, nor do I, but actually that might be fascinating).
    If I had enough money that is exactly what j would like to do!!
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,267
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    kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 3,963
    chestnut said:


    So the morality of these things only matter when they pose a direct threat to us? Well, it's one view I guess.

    I don't recall Pinochet trying to bomb London, Birmingham, Manchester etc. The IRA did it regularly.

    And the USA regularly bomb the living crap out of lots of countries with funny sounding names, but we're still shoulder to shoulder.

    The real world is about choosing your friends and it's obvious which ones Corbyn chose.
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    isamisam Posts: 41,002
    Ishmael_Z said:

    The jokes are so offensive that The Sun has no qualms in repeating them.
    I thought the patio umbrella one was borderline funny, though they look to me much more like a rear view of a group of (Christian) nuns.
    If the target of the joke had been Christian nuns no one would have been bothered enough for it to make the papers

    Some religions are touchier than others
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341

    chestnut said:


    So the morality of these things only matter when they pose a direct threat to us? Well, it's one view I guess.

    I don't recall Pinochet trying to bomb London, Birmingham, Manchester etc. The IRA did it regularly.

    Yes, and that doesn't meant that Pinochet's actions in his own country weren't awful. It's not exactly a crazy position to dislike the action of both Pinochet and the IRA.
    There are awful regimes in the world all the time. Very few directly attack the British people.
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    Cyclefree said:

    @CycleFree

    "...It is one reason why I am contemplating a serious career change.

    In the end, you can only beat your head against a brick wall for so long before you decide that there are better things to do with your life - and head."


    Dear Mr Llama: you are a very wise fellow.

    I have in fact made my decision. But I am in the process of deciding precisely how I move to what I want to do and so it feels as if the decision-making hasn't yet been completed.

    I don't suppose I will starve (and I have rainy day funds for just this purpose) but those to whom I've spoken say that the greater risk is that I will end up taking too much on (as I'm inclined to do by nature) and end up busier than ever. So I need to guard against that as I really want my remaining decades to be enjoyable and healthy.

    I
    But as the Eldest Son put it to me: "You have created one job and team. You can go off now and create another."

    So that is what I will do. But I will also have a good and relaxing summer in the Lakes I hope followed by three weeks in Canada celebrating my 25th wedding anniversary to help me refocus my life.

    But I will also admit to being a bit apprehensive. Like standing on the edge of the water wondering what it will be like to jump in.........

    Good luck to you

    I had to completely change tack and retrain at 45 ( university degree through distance learning whilst working and with kids at home) BUT it was worth it.

    "Like standing on the edge of the water wondering what it will be like to jump in........."

    You will be fine-worst case scenario-you have to go back to what you did before-not great for the self esteem -but nor is it fatal.

    Go for it -and good luck.


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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,584
    kle4 said:

    hts://twitter.com/SunPolitics/status/864228947411832832

    What? This has to be a feint, right? Like how Tory MPs were pretending Cameron would be fine to stay on if he lost the referendum, so they could present as loyal to the end?
    To be fair the likes of Michael Gove were prepared for Dave to continue on, but Dave realised you lose a nation changing referendum, you have to go.
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,900

    Pulpstar said:

    Edinburgh South is certainly not a lost cause for Labour.
    I'd rather they sent Scottish troops to East Lothian though..

    I'm not sure last time Scottish troops were in East Lothian it ended well
    Not for the Hanoverians anyway.
    I thought 'condign' was a typo until looked it up
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133

    chestnut said:


    So the morality of these things only matter when they pose a direct threat to us? Well, it's one view I guess.

    I don't recall Pinochet trying to bomb London, Birmingham, Manchester etc. The IRA did it regularly.

    Yes, and that doesn't meant that Pinochet's actions in his own country weren't awful. It's not exactly a crazy position to dislike the action of both Pinochet and the IRA.
    Indeed. But not all evils are equal, and not all support for evils is equally disqualifying.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,584
    edited May 2017
    OUT said:

    In the interest of politics and it's betting implications i'm sure.

    Yup, there was a betting market on it, and I even did a thread on it.

    Note, this thread contains some of my worst ever puns.

    http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2017/01/15/want-to-bet-on-footage-of-that-golden-shower-appearing-on-a-porn-site-yes-wee-can/
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,715
    chestnut said:


    So the morality of these things only matter when they pose a direct threat to us? Well, it's one view I guess.

    I don't recall Pinochet trying to bomb London, Birmingham, Manchester etc. The IRA did it regularly.

    No, he only murdered and tortured Jonny Foreigners, so no problem.

    I'm trying to remember the chronology - were the Tories cosying up to Pinochet before, after, or at the same time as they were being apologists for Apartheid?
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    Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    Not saying he wasn't rooting for leave, but I doubt he was entitled to vote.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,267
    edited May 2017
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Not saying he wasn't rooting for leave, but I doubt he was entitled to vote.
    Yeah, that's why I said supporter.

    Edit: I'll at least allow he didn't bring many voters behind his standard.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    chestnut said:


    So the morality of these things only matter when they pose a direct threat to us? Well, it's one view I guess.

    I don't recall Pinochet trying to bomb London, Birmingham, Manchester etc. The IRA did it regularly.

    No, he only murdered and tortured Jonny Foreigners, so no problem.

    I'm trying to remember the chronology - were the Tories cosying up to Pinochet before, after, or at the same time as they were being apologists for Apartheid?
    That would be about the same time that they were arming the Khymer Rouge and the Taliban of Aghanistan too, as I recall.
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    MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    Brady, inevitably, was a Nat.
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,900

    chestnut said:


    So the morality of these things only matter when they pose a direct threat to us? Well, it's one view I guess.

    I don't recall Pinochet trying to bomb London, Birmingham, Manchester etc. The IRA did it regularly.

    No, he only murdered and tortured Jonny Foreigners, so no problem.

    I'm trying to remember the chronology - were the Tories cosying up to Pinochet before, after, or at the same time as they were being apologists for Apartheid?
    All three.
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited May 2017

    Sun Politics✔@SunPolitics

    Top Labour MP Clive Lewis says Jeremy Corbyn should stay as party’s leader even if he’s trounced in election

    I wonder if Lewis’ comment has anything to do with a future leadership bid in two years or so?
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Brady, inevitably, was a Nat.
    The ultimate captive audience...
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    I couldn't find an article about him since Gorton was called off - is Galloway standing?
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    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Cyclefree said:

    @CycleFree

    "...It is one reason why I am contemplating a serious career change.

    In the end, you can only beat your head against a brick wall for so long before you decide that there are better things to do with your life - and head."

    Are you still pondering, Mrs. Free? Is there anything to really ponder about? You children are grown up, so what is stopping you doing what you want to do? Is it money? It was for me when I was thinking about bailing out of the public sector do do what I really wanted to do. In the end I just went for it and hang the financial security. There are a lot more important things in life, like enjoying it, we only get one crack at it and there isn't much to be said for being a financially secure corpse.

    I know that there are at least three others who regularly post on this site who have made similar life changing decisions and all of us seem to have done OK. Financially at the very least we have all kept the lupine pest from lolling around on the front doorstep and I think we have all been much happier doing what we wanted to do.

    Dear Mr Llama: you are a very wise fellow.



    But I will also admit to being a bit apprehensive. Like standing on the edge of the water wondering what it will be like to jump in.........

    A friend of mine in publishing recently abandoned his quite lucrative but increasingly dispiriting career to become... an artisanal butcher and foodie dude in Kent.

    He had the life, the Chiswick house, the private schools for the kids, etc

    Cushioned by London property prices he was able to sell up at a fat profit, buy a nice four bedroom oast house in Sandwich, and use the capital to invest in samphire picking and kombucha pickling.

    It wasn't the bravest decision by any means (that London property left him with half a million capital as a safety net). But nonetheless it was a big wrench in terms of friends, connections, lifestyle.

    He's never been happier. He walks the dogs and smokes his own bacon and sells it at intriguingly increasing profit. He is fulfilling himself, creatively, after a lifetime of corporate obedience.
    How interesting, I know the bloke you're talking about, not in person but he was recommended to me
    His bacon is genuinely brilliant.
    I live 5 miles from sandwich-where does he sell it??
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,920
    Scott_P said:
    One can't help feel relieved that someone truly evil is gone... But given the body of Keith Bennett remains on those Moors and now Brady has taken that location to his grave the relief is tempered somewhat... Because he kept that final power he had over his victims to his death...
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341

    chestnut said:


    So the morality of these things only matter when they pose a direct threat to us? Well, it's one view I guess.

    I don't recall Pinochet trying to bomb London, Birmingham, Manchester etc. The IRA did it regularly.

    No, he only murdered and tortured Jonny Foreigners, so no problem.

    I'm trying to remember the chronology - were the Tories cosying up to Pinochet before, after, or at the same time as they were being apologists for Apartheid?
    That would be about the same time that they were arming the Khymer Rouge and the Taliban of Aghanistan too, as I recall.
    So, let me understand this - the IRA blowing up the British is equally justified?

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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,974
    edited May 2017

    chestnut said:


    So the morality of these things only matter when they pose a direct threat to us? Well, it's one view I guess.

    I don't recall Pinochet trying to bomb London, Birmingham, Manchester etc. The IRA did it regularly.

    No, he only murdered and tortured Jonny Foreigners, so no problem.

    I'm trying to remember the chronology - were the Tories cosying up to Pinochet before, after, or at the same time as they were being apologists for Apartheid?
    It's the job of British politicians to pursue British interests.

    We can be sure that Corbyn would not, if he were PM.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,715

    Sun Politics✔@SunPolitics

    Top Labour MP Clive Lewis says Jeremy Corbyn should stay as party’s leader even if he’s trounced in election

    I wonder if Lewis’ comment has anything to do with a future leadership bid in two years or so?
    He says: “So I think there’s an argument that whatever happens Jeremy Corbyn stays in and makes sure he hands the Labour party over in good order.”

    I think he missed out the words "to me" between "over" and "in".

    Smart move by Lewis.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,449

    chestnut said:


    So the morality of these things only matter when they pose a direct threat to us? Well, it's one view I guess.

    I don't recall Pinochet trying to bomb London, Birmingham, Manchester etc. The IRA did it regularly.

    No, he only murdered and tortured Jonny Foreigners, so no problem.

    I'm trying to remember the chronology - were the Tories cosying up to Pinochet before, after, or at the same time as they were being apologists for Apartheid?
    That would be about the same time that they were arming the Khymer Rouge and the Taliban of Aghanistan too, as I recall.
    I thought Pakistan are the chief backers of the Taliban.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_P said:
    One can't help feel relieved that someone truly evil is gone... But given the body of Keith Bennett remains on those Moors and now Brady has taken that location to his grave the relief is tempered somewhat... Because he kept that final power he had over his victims to his death...
    Truly evil, or criminally insane?

    I recall the latter was the verdict of the court.
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,900

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Cyclefree said:

    @CycleFree

    "...It is one reason why I am contemplating a serious career change.

    In the end, you can only beat your head against a brick wall for so long before you decide that there are better things to do with your life - and head."

    Are you still pondering, Mrs. Free? Is there anything to really ponder about? You children are grown up, so what is stopping you doing what you want to do? Is it money? It was for me when I was thinking about bailing out of the public sector do do what I really wanted to do. In the end I just went for it and hang the financial security. There are a lot more important things in life, like enjoying it, we only get one crack at it and there isn't much to be said for being a financially secure corpse.

    I know that there are at least three others who regularly post on this site who have made similar life changing decisions and all of us seem to have done OK. Financially at the very least we have all kept the lupine pest from lolling around on the front doorstep and I think we have all been much happier doing what we wanted to do.

    Dear Mr Llama: you are a very wise fellow.



    But I will also admit to being a bit apprehensive. Like standing on the edge of the water wondering what it will be like to jump in.........

    A friend of mine in publishing recently abandoned his quite lucrative but increasingly dispiriting career to become... an artisanal butcher and foodie dude in Kent.

    He had the life, the Chiswick house, the private schools for the kids, etc

    Cushioned by London property prices he was able to sell up at a fat profit, buy a nice four bedroom oast house in Sandwich, and use the capital to invest in samphire picking and kombucha pickling.

    It wasn't the bravest decision by any means (that London property left him with half a million capital as a safety net). But nonetheless it was a big wrench in terms of friends, connections, lifestyle.

    He's never been happier. He walks the dogs and smokes his own bacon and sells it at intriguingly increasing profit. He is fulfilling himself, creatively, after a lifetime of corporate obedience.
    How interesting, I know the bloke you're talking about, not in person but he was recommended to me
    His bacon is genuinely brilliant.
    I live 5 miles from sandwich-where does he sell it??
    this is surreal
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,584

    I couldn't find an article about him since Gorton was called off - is Galloway standing?

    Yes, Galloway is standing


    http://www.manchester.gov.uk/downloads/download/6694/statement_of_persons_nominated_and_notice_of_poll
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    isamisam Posts: 41,002
    edited May 2017

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Not saying he wasn't rooting for leave, but I doubt he was entitled to vote.
    Yeah, that's why I said supporter.

    Edit: I'll at least allow he didn't bring many voters behind his standard.
    Crikey it was bad enough when I was a fascist, now I'm a moors murderer too.
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    isamisam Posts: 41,002

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Cyclefree said:

    @CycleFree

    "...It is one reason why I am contemplating a serious career change.

    In the end, you can only beat your head against a brick wall for so long before you decide that there are better things to do with your life - and head."

    Are you still pondering, Mrs. Free? Is there anything to really ponder about? You children are grown up, so what is stopping you doing what you want to do? Is it money? It was for me when I was thinking about bailing out of the public sector do do what I really wanted to do. In the end I just went for it and hang the financial security. There are a lot more important things in life, like enjoying it, we only get one crack at it and there isn't much to be said for being a financially secure corpse.

    I know that there are at least three others who regularly post on this site who have made similar life changing decisions and all of us seem to have done OK. Financially at the very least we have all kept the lupine pest from lolling around on the front doorstep and I think we have all been much happier doing what we wanted to do.

    Dear Mr Llama: you are a very wise fellow.



    But I will also admit to being a bit apprehensive. Like standing on the edge of the water wondering what it will be like to jump in.........

    A friend of mine in publishing recently abandoned his quite lucrative but increasingly dispiriting career to become... an artisanal butcher and foodie dude in Kent.

    He had the life, the Chiswick house, the private schools for the kids, etc

    Cushioned by London property prices he was able to sell up at a fat profit, buy a nice four bedroom oast house in Sandwich, and use the capital to invest in samphire picking and kombucha pickling.

    It wasn't the bravest decision by any means (that London property left him with half a million capital as a safety net). But nonetheless it was a big wrench in terms of friends, connections, lifestyle.

    He's never been happier. He walks the dogs and smokes his own bacon and sells it at intriguingly increasing profit. He is fulfilling himself, creatively, after a lifetime of corporate obedience.
    How interesting, I know the bloke you're talking about, not in person but he was recommended to me
    His bacon is genuinely brilliant.
    I live 5 miles from sandwich-where does he sell it??
    Between 2 bits of bread?
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Cyclefree said:

    @CycleFree

    "...It is one reason why I am contemplating a serious career change.

    In the end, you can only beat your head against a brick wall for so long before you decide that there are better things to do with your life - and head."

    Are you still pondering, Mrs. Free? Is there anything to really ponder about? You children are grown up, so what is stopping you doing what you want to do? Is it money? It was for me when I was thinking about bailing out of the public sector do do what I really wanted to do. In the end I just went for it and hang the financial security. There are a lot more important things in life, like enjoying it, we only get one crack at it and there isn't much to be said for being a financially secure corpse.

    I know that there are at least three others who regularly post on this site who have made similar life changing decisions and all of us seem to have done OK. Financially at the very least we have all kept the lupine pest from lolling around on the front doorstep and I think we have all been much happier doing what we wanted to do.

    Dear Mr Llama: you are a very wise fellow.



    But I will also admit to being a bit apprehensive. Like standing on the edge of the water wondering what it will be like to jump in.........

    A friend of mine in publishing recently abandoned his quite lucrative but increasingly dispiriting career to become... an artisanal butcher and foodie dude in Kent.

    He had the life, the Chiswick house, the private schools for the kids, etc

    Cushioned by London property prices he was able to sell up at a fat profit, buy a nice four bedroom oast house in Sandwich, and use the capital to invest in samphire picking and kombucha pickling.

    It wasn't the bravest decision by any means (that London property left him with half a million capital as a safety net). But nonetheless it was a big wrench in terms of friends, connections, lifestyle.

    He's never been happier. He walks the dogs and smokes his own bacon and sells it at intriguingly increasing profit. He is fulfilling himself, creatively, after a lifetime of corporate obedience.
    How interesting, I know the bloke you're talking about, not in person but he was recommended to me
    His bacon is genuinely brilliant.
    I live 5 miles from sandwich-where does he sell it??
    Ash? Or Ham?

    I used to spend a lot of time in Sandwich (Delf St)
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,048
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    BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,489
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    isam said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Cyclefree said:

    @CycleFree

    "...It is one reason why I am contemplating a serious career change.

    In the end, you can only beat your head against a brick wall for so long before you decide that there are better things to do with your life - and head."

    Are you still pondering, Mrs. Free? Is there anything to really ponder about? You children are grown up, so what is stopping you doing what you want to do? Is it money? It was for me when I was thinking about bailing out of the public sector do do what I really wanted to do. In the end I just went for it and hang the financial security. There are a lot more important things in life, like enjoying it, we only get one crack at it and there isn't much to be said for being a financially secure corpse.

    I know that there are at least three others who regularly post on this site who have made similar life changing decisions and all of us seem to have done OK. Financially at the very least we have all kept the lupine pest from lolling around on the front doorstep and I think we have all been much happier doing what we wanted to do.

    Dear Mr Llama: you are a very wise fellow.



    But I will also admit to being a bit apprehensive. Like standing on the edge of the water wondering what it will be like to jump in.........

    A friend of mine in publishing recently abandoned his quite lucrative but increasingly dispiriting career to become... an artisanal butcher and foodie dude in Kent.

    He had the life, the Chiswick house, the private schools for the kids, etc

    Cushioned by London property prices he was able to sell up at a fat profit, buy a nice four bedroom oast house in Sandwich, and use the capital to invest in samphire picking and kombucha pickling.

    It wasn't the bravest decision by any means (that London property left him with half a million capital as a safety net). But nonetheless it was a big wrench in terms of friends, connections, lifestyle.

    He's never been happier. He walks the dogs and smokes his own bacon and sells it at intriguingly increasing profit. He is fulfilling himself, creatively, after a lifetime of corporate obedience.
    How interesting, I know the bloke you're talking about, not in person but he was recommended to me
    His bacon is genuinely brilliant.
    I live 5 miles from sandwich-where does he sell it??
    Between 2 bits of bread?
    LOL! :D
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,068
    edited May 2017

    rcs1000 said:

    Macron says he is not in favour of Eurozone debt mutualisation for any past debts. First diplomatic victory for Merkel?

    If you'l excuse me for delving into the technical, the best proposed/suggestd Eurozone debt mutualisation plan was this:

    - there would be an amount of mutualised debt up to, say, 60%* of GDP that countries were allowed to issue
    - such debt is still issued by the country, and the country is still responsible for the repayment and debt service, but in the event of default the Eurozone was jointly and severally responsible for its repayment (in all likelihood, the ECB would step up)
    - this would mean that the first chunk of debt a country issued would be very cheap, but that any additional debt on top of the 60% was very expensive
    - this would be phased in by countries issuing new Eurozone guaranteed debt, not by converting existing debt
    - the effect of this would be to remove all funding risk from highly indebted countries for about 6 to 10 years (as very few Eurozone countries have that much to roll over in the near term)

    I don't think it's likely to happen. But if common Eurozone debt were to come about, this is likely how it would be implemented.

    * The 60% is just a placeholder. Use whatever number you prefer.
    Mr Robert, jolly good. Where would such a plan leave Greece, which already has debts that will never be repaid, and, for that matter, Italy and Portugal?
    In the case of Greece, they have relatively little debt maturing. The troika deal with them basically was the world's largest "extend and pretend", essentially a very large portion of their debt is close to zero interest and doesn't come due for decades. (I'm on a plane with a very slow connection so I can't check the exact numbers right now.) If all new debt was close to free for them, and this was replacing debt they were paying 6-7% on, then they would be able to use the difference to pay down their debt. (It's funny, we use "extend and pretend" a lot and imply it isn't sorting out a problem. But if someone says that debt equivalent to 100% of GDP is not repayable for 20 years and that there's no interest on it, then that's equivalent to a massive debt write off. After all., you save 20 years of debt repayments at - ooohhh... pick a numer - 3% of GDP.)

    I'd also point out that our friends in Ireland had debt that peaked at 125-130% of GDP at the height of the Eurozone crisis and had to be bailed out by the ECB. Their debt-to-GDP is now below ours, and will likely be close to 50% by 2020.

    The Eurozone's (outside Greece) big problem is not debt loadings. It's lack of growth. And low growth is largely a consequence of poor demographics and inflexible labour markets.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    chestnut said:


    So the morality of these things only matter when they pose a direct threat to us? Well, it's one view I guess.

    I don't recall Pinochet trying to bomb London, Birmingham, Manchester etc. The IRA did it regularly.

    No, he only murdered and tortured Jonny Foreigners, so no problem.

    I'm trying to remember the chronology - were the Tories cosying up to Pinochet before, after, or at the same time as they were being apologists for Apartheid?
    That would be about the same time that they were arming the Khymer Rouge and the Taliban of Aghanistan too, as I recall.
    I thought Pakistan are the chief backers of the Taliban.
    In 1980 it was Maggie.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/dec/30/uk-mujahideen-afghanistan-soviet-invasion.

    So while Jezza was chatting to the IRA, Maggie was arming and training Islamist guerrillas.
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    bobajobPBbobajobPB Posts: 1,042
    Roger said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Cyclefree said:

    @CycleFree

    "...It is one reason why I am contemplating a serious career change.

    In the end, you can only beat your head against a brick wall for so long before you decide that there are better things to do with your life - and head."

    Are you still pondering, Mrs. Free? Is there anything to really ponder about? You children are grown up, so what is stopping you doing what you want to do? Is it money? It was for me when I was thinking about bailing out of the public sector do do what I really wanted to do. In the end I just went for it and hang the financial security. There are a lot more important things in life, like enjoying it, we only get one crack at it and there isn't much to be said for being a financially secure corpse.

    I know that there are at least three others who regularly post on this site who have made similar life changing decisions and all of us seem to have done OK. Financially at the very least we have all kept the lupine pest from lolling around on the front doorstep and I think we have all been much happier doing what we wanted to do.

    Dear Mr Llama: you are a very wise fellow.



    But I will also admit to being a bit apprehensive. Like standing on the edge of the water wondering what it will be like to jump in.........

    A friend of mine in publishing recently abandoned his quite lucrative but increasingly dispiriting career to become... an artisanal butcher and foodie dude in Kent.

    He had the life, the Chiswick house, the private schools for the kids, etc

    Cushioned by London property prices he was able to sell up at a fat profit, buy a nice four bedroom oast house in Sandwich, and use the capital to invest in samphire picking and kombucha pickling.

    It wasn't the bravest decision by any means (that London property left him with half a million capital as a safety net). But nonetheless it was a big wrench in terms of friends, connections, lifestyle.

    He's never been happier. He walks the dogs and smokes his own bacon and sells it at intriguingly increasing profit. He is fulfilling himself, creatively, after a lifetime of corporate obedience.
    How interesting, I know the bloke you're talking about, not in person but he was recommended to me
    His bacon is genuinely brilliant.
    I live 5 miles from sandwich-where does he sell it??
    this is surreal
    Just trying to ketchup on the thread
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    OUTOUT Posts: 569
    BigRich said:

    teat

    feal
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_P said:
    One can't help feel relieved that someone truly evil is gone... But given the body of Keith Bennett remains on those Moors and now Brady has taken that location to his grave the relief is tempered somewhat... Because he kept that final power he had over his victims to his death...
    Myra Hindley was cremated and her ashes scattered - presumably the same awaits Brady?
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,068
    kyf_100 said:

    isam said:
    Who are their opponents, and how can I donate?
    LOL! That was exactly what I thought.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    bobajobPB said:

    Roger said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Cyclefree said:

    @CycleFree

    "...It is one reason why I am contemplating a serious career change.

    In the end, you can only beat your head against a brick wall for so long before you decide that there are better things to do with your life - and head."

    Are you still pondering, Mrs. Free? Is there anything to really ponder about? You children are grown up, so what is stopping you doing what you want to do? Is it money? It was for me when I was thinking about bailing out of the public sector do do what I really wanted to do. In the end I just went for it and hang the financial security. There are a lot more important things in life, like enjoying it, we only get one crack at it and there isn't much to be said for being a financially secure corpse.

    I know that there are at least three others who regularly post on this site who have made similar life changing decisions and all of us seem to have done OK. Financially at the very least we have all kept the lupine pest from lolling around on the front doorstep and I think we have all been much happier doing what we wanted to do.

    Dear Mr Llama: you are a very wise fellow.



    But I will also admit to being a bit apprehensive. Like standing on the edge of the water wondering what it will be like to jump in.........

    A friend of mine in publishing recently abandoned his quite lucrative but increasingly dispiriting career to become... an artisanal butcher and foodie dude in Kent.

    He had the life, the Chiswick house, the private schools for the kids, etc

    Cushioned by London property prices he was able to sell up at a fat profit, buy a nice four bedroom oast house in Sandwich, and use the capital to invest in samphire picking and kombucha pickling.

    It wasn't the bravest decision by any means (that London property left him with half a million capital as a safety net). But nonetheless it was a big wrench in terms of friends, connections, lifestyle.

    He's never been happier. He walks the dogs and smokes his own bacon and sells it at intriguingly increasing profit. He is fulfilling himself, creatively, after a lifetime of corporate obedience.
    How interesting, I know the bloke you're talking about, not in person but he was recommended to me
    His bacon is genuinely brilliant.
    I live 5 miles from sandwich-where does he sell it??
    this is surreal
    Just trying to ketchup on the thread
    Enjoy it with relish :wink:
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    HaroldOHaroldO Posts: 1,185
    Hmm, is there a market for a tiny flutter on Gove being back in cabinet after the election?
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    isamisam Posts: 41,002
    rcs1000 said:

    kyf_100 said:

    isam said:
    Who are their opponents, and how can I donate?
    LOL! That was exactly what I thought.
    This Dave Hill is v good I think. Maybe he could be asked to write a thread or two on here?
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    bobajobPB said:

    Roger said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Cyclefree said:

    @CycleFree

    "...It is one reason why I am contemplating a serious career change.

    In the end, you can only beat your head against a brick wall for so long before you decide that there are better things to do with your life - and head."

    Are you still pondering, Mrs. Free? Is there anything to really ponder about? You children are grown up, so what is stopping you doing what you want to do? Is it money? It was for me when I was thinking about bailing out of the public sector do do what I really wanted to do. In the end I just went for it and hang the financial security. There are a lot more important things in life, like enjoying it, we only get one crack at it and there isn't much to be said for being a financially secure corpse.

    I know that there are at least three others who regularly post on this site who have made similar life changing decisions and all of us seem to have done OK. Financially at the very least we have all kept the lupine pest from lolling around on the front doorstep and I think we have all been much happier doing what we wanted to do.

    Dear Mr Llama: you are a very wise fellow.



    But I will also admit to being a bit apprehensive. Like standing on the edge of the water wondering what it will be like to jump in.........

    A friend of mine in publishing recently abandoned his quite lucrative but increasingly dispiriting career to become... an artisanal butcher and foodie dude in Kent.

    He had the life, the Chiswick house, the private schools for the kids, etc

    Cushioned by London property prices he was able to sell up at a fat profit, buy a nice four bedroom oast house in Sandwich, and use the capital to invest in samphire picking and kombucha pickling.

    It wasn't the bravest decision by any means (that London property left him with half a million capital as a safety net). But nonetheless it was a big wrench in terms of friends, connections, lifestyle.

    He's never been happier. He walks the dogs and smokes his own bacon and sells it at intriguingly increasing profit. He is fulfilling himself, creatively, after a lifetime of corporate obedience.
    How interesting, I know the bloke you're talking about, not in person but he was recommended to me
    His bacon is genuinely brilliant.
    I live 5 miles from sandwich-where does he sell it??
    this is surreal
    Just trying to ketchup on the thread
    TSE is around so it's bound to be saucy.
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    bobajobPBbobajobPB Posts: 1,042
    BigRich said:

    teat

    Sucker
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,050
    Thanks goodness Brady is dead....it is similar to the UK removing the worst kind of insidious splinter that has been buried deep inside...it's gone, and with it all that awfulness......
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    bobajobPBbobajobPB Posts: 1,042
    Tim_B said:

    bobajobPB said:

    Roger said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Cyclefree said:

    @CycleFree

    "...It is one reason why I am contemplating a serious career change.

    In the end, you can only beat your head against a brick wall for so long before you decide that there are better things to do with your life - and head."

    Are you still pondering, Mrs. Free? Is there anything to really ponder about? You children are grown up, so what is stopping you doing what you want to do? Is it money? It was for me when I was thinking about bailing out of the public sector do do what I really wanted to do. In the end I just went for it and hang the financial security. There are a lot more important things in life, like enjoying it, we only get one crack at it and there isn't much to be said for being a financially secure corpse.

    I know that there are at least three others who regularly post on this site who have made similar life changing decisions and all of us seem to have done OK. Financially at the very least we have all kept the lupine pest from lolling around on the front doorstep and I think we have all been much happier doing what we wanted to do.

    Dear Mr Llama: you are a very wise fellow.



    But I will also admit to being a bit apprehensive. Like standing on the edge of the water wondering what it will be like to jump in.........

    A friend of mine in publishing recently abandoned his quite lucrative but increasingly dispiriting career to become... an artisanal butcher and foodie dude in Kent.

    He had the life, the Chiswick house, the private schools for the kids, etc

    Cushioned by London property prices he was able to sell up at a fat profit, buy a nice four bedroom oast house in Sandwich, and use the capital to invest in samphire picking and kombucha pickling.

    It wasn't the bravest decision by any means (that London property left him with half a million capital as a safety net). But nonetheless it was a big wrench in terms of friends, connections, lifestyle.

    He's never been happier. He walks the dogs and smokes his own bacon and sells it at intriguingly increasing profit. He is fulfilling himself, creatively, after a lifetime of corporate obedience.
    How interesting, I know the bloke you're talking about, not in person but he was recommended to me
    His bacon is genuinely brilliant.
    I live 5 miles from sandwich-where does he sell it??
    this is surreal
    Just trying to ketchup on the thread
    Enjoy it with relish :wink:
    Wish I could, but Sandwich is a pig to get to
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    dyingswandyingswan Posts: 189
    If that is an accurate quote from Clive Lewis tonight may I say how much I agree with it. As far as I am concerned Jeremy Corbyn can remain Labour leader for life. He is the best Labour leader of my lifetime.
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    Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_P said:
    One can't help feel relieved that someone truly evil is gone... But given the body of Keith Bennett remains on those Moors and now Brady has taken that location to his grave the relief is tempered somewhat... Because he kept that final power he had over his victims to his death...
    Truly evil, or criminally insane?

    I recall the latter was the verdict of the court.
    Quite wrong. He was convicted of murder.
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    bobajobPBbobajobPB Posts: 1,042

    Sun Politics✔@SunPolitics

    Top Labour MP Clive Lewis says Jeremy Corbyn should stay as party’s leader even if he’s trounced in election

    I wonder if Lewis’ comment has anything to do with a future leadership bid in two years or so?
    He says: “So I think there’s an argument that whatever happens Jeremy Corbyn stays in and makes sure he hands the Labour party over in good order.”

    I think he missed out the words "to me" between "over" and "in".

    Smart move by Lewis.
    Yes, by "staying on" Lewis could mean staying on for one day
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    BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,489
    bobajobPB said:

    BigRich said:

    teat

    Sucker
    Where did that come from?
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    I can't help feeling that, if Labour supporters want to claim the moral high ground, they would be well advised not to make jokes about children tortured to death.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,449

    kle4 said:

    hts://twitter.com/SunPolitics/status/864228947411832832

    What? This has to be a feint, right? Like how Tory MPs were pretending Cameron would be fine to stay on if he lost the referendum, so they could present as loyal to the end?
    To be fair the likes of Michael Gove were prepared for Dave to continue on, but Dave realised you lose a nation changing referendum, you have to go.
    Cos you got Gove
    Gove
    Gove on your side
    Cos you got Gove
    Gove
    Gove on your side


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N66cGvR5yvU
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    isamisam Posts: 41,002

    chestnut said:


    So the morality of these things only matter when they pose a direct threat to us? Well, it's one view I guess.

    I don't recall Pinochet trying to bomb London, Birmingham, Manchester etc. The IRA did it regularly.

    No, he only murdered and tortured Jonny Foreigners, so no problem.

    I'm trying to remember the chronology - were the Tories cosying up to Pinochet before, after, or at the same time as they were being apologists for Apartheid?
    That would be about the same time that they were arming the Khymer Rouge and the Taliban of Aghanistan too, as I recall.
    I thought Pakistan are the chief backers of the Taliban.
    In 1980 it was Maggie.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/dec/30/uk-mujahideen-afghanistan-soviet-invasion.

    So while Jezza was chatting to the IRA, Maggie was arming and training Islamist guerrillas.
    That'll scupper her chances of becoming PM
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    Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    edited May 2017
    Scott_P said:
    There are only 3 countries outside the US who would be running notable human or technical resources into IS territory.

    Not surprisingly, we are one. Who knows Mr Cheeto face there may have been blabbing to our's and the West's detriment.

    As for Paul Ryan, he might have a fire lit under his arse soon himself but his comments are, maybe but maybe not, notable.

    Watch if the GOP starts stepping a yard away from Donald, watch if Democrats start talking impeachment. There is enough connections up Capitol Hill to know if something is going to come down on the White House head, even if they don't know the detail. Everyone will want to be seem to be doing the right thing....
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    HaroldOHaroldO Posts: 1,185
    Ishmael_Z said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_P said:
    One can't help feel relieved that someone truly evil is gone... But given the body of Keith Bennett remains on those Moors and now Brady has taken that location to his grave the relief is tempered somewhat... Because he kept that final power he had over his victims to his death...
    Truly evil, or criminally insane?

    I recall the latter was the verdict of the court.
    Quite wrong. He was convicted of murder.
    He was moved into a secure unit after being declared insane, but that was well into the 90's IIRC.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    bobajobPB said:

    Roger said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Cyclefree said:

    @CycleFree

    "...It is one reason why I am contemplating a serious career change.

    In the end, you can only beat your head against a brick wall for so long before you decide that there are better things to do with your life - and head."

    Are you still pondering, Mrs. Free? Is there anything to really ponder about? You children are grown up, so what is stopping you doing what you want to do? Is it money? It was for me when I was thinking about bailing out of the public sector do do what I really wanted to do. In the end I just went for it and hang the financial security. There are a lot more important things in life, like enjoying it, we only get one crack at it and there isn't much to be said for being a financially secure corpse.

    I know that there are at least three others who regularly post on this site who have made similar life changing decisions and all of us seem to have done OK. Financially at the very least we have all kept the lupine pest from lolling around on the front doorstep and I think we have all been much happier doing what we wanted to do.

    Dear Mr Llama: you are a very wise fellow.



    But I will also admit to being a bit apprehensive. Like standing on the edge of the water wondering what it will be like to jump in.........

    A friend of mine in publishing recently abandoned his quite lucrative but increasingly dispiriting career to become... an artisanal butcher and foodie dude in Kent.

    He had the life, the Chiswick house, the private schools for the kids, etc

    Cushioned by London property prices he was able to sell up at a fat profit, buy a nice four bedroom oast house in Sandwich, and use the capital to invest in samphire picking and kombucha pickling.

    It wasn't the bravest decision by any means (that London property left him with half a million capital as a safety net). But nonetheless it was a big wrench in terms of friends, connections, lifestyle.

    He's never been happier. He walks the dogs and smokes his own bacon and sells it at intriguingly increasing profit. He is fulfilling himself, creatively, after a lifetime of corporate obedience.
    How interesting, I know the bloke you're talking about, not in person but he was recommended to me
    His bacon is genuinely brilliant.
    I live 5 miles from sandwich-where does he sell it??
    this is surreal
    Just trying to ketchup on the thread
    TSE is around so it's bound to be saucy.
    Nah - he doesn't cut the mustard
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    isamisam Posts: 41,002

    I can't help feeling that, if Labour supporters want to claim the moral high ground, they would be well advised not to make jokes about children tortured to death.

    Been done already, right enough

    https://twitter.com/naeborder/status/849646615149334529
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    ParistondaParistonda Posts: 1,819
    chestnut said:


    So the morality of these things only matter when they pose a direct threat to us? Well, it's one view I guess.

    I don't recall Pinochet trying to bomb London, Birmingham, Manchester etc. The IRA did it regularly.

    Hamas have never attacked the UK. So I guess no one will bother making reference to Corbyn's association with them during this campaign, it's not really relevant. Doesn't really matter what they do in their own backyard.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,449

    chestnut said:


    So the morality of these things only matter when they pose a direct threat to us? Well, it's one view I guess.

    I don't recall Pinochet trying to bomb London, Birmingham, Manchester etc. The IRA did it regularly.

    No, he only murdered and tortured Jonny Foreigners, so no problem.

    I'm trying to remember the chronology - were the Tories cosying up to Pinochet before, after, or at the same time as they were being apologists for Apartheid?
    That would be about the same time that they were arming the Khymer Rouge and the Taliban of Aghanistan too, as I recall.
    I thought Pakistan are the chief backers of the Taliban.
    In 1980 it was Maggie.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/dec/30/uk-mujahideen-afghanistan-soviet-invasion.

    So while Jezza was chatting to the IRA, Maggie was arming and training Islamist guerrillas.
    That was the Mujahadeen NOT the Taliban. The Taliban overthrew the Mujahadeen.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,631
    rcs1000 said:

    In the case of Greece, they have relatively little debt maturing. The troika deal with them basically was the world's largest "extend and pretend", essentially a very large portion of their debt is close to zero interest and doesn't come due for decades. (I'm on a plane with a very slow connection so I can't check the exact numbers right now.) If all new debt was close to free for them, and this was replacing debt they were paying 6-7% on, then they would be able to use the difference to pay down their debt. (It's funny, we use "extend and pretend" a lot and imply it isn't sorting out a problem. But if someone says that debt equivalent to 100% of GDP is not repayable for 20 years and that there's no interest on it, then that's equivalent to a massive debt write off. After all., you save 20 years of debt repayments at - ooohhh... pick a numer - 3% of GDP.)

    I'd also point out that our friends in Ireland had debt that peaked at 125-130% of GDP at the height of the Eurozone crisis and had to be bailed out by the ECB. Their debt-to-GDP is now below ours, and will likely be close to 50% by 2020.

    The Eurozone's (outside Greece) big problem is not debt loadings. It's lack of growth. And low growth is largely a consequence of poor demographics and inflexible labour markets.

    In a very similar way is the UK's debt/GDP ratio really all that high? Of the £1.73tn stock of debt £0.44tn has real net interest rate of zero, is it real debt if there is no interest payable and the owner/creditor of said debt is unlikely to ever call it in given that it is essentially just a branch of the debtor?

    I would put it that the Greek bailout, all global QE (including ours) will eventually just be written off once enough time has passed in order to normalise the sovereign debt market.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,715
    The Tory press tonight spouting the usual crap that people in the top 5% of earners are 'Middle Class'.

    Operation False Consciousness in full swing.

    Night night all.
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,050

    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_P said:
    One can't help feel relieved that someone truly evil is gone... But given the body of Keith Bennett remains on those Moors and now Brady has taken that location to his grave the relief is tempered somewhat... Because he kept that final power he had over his victims to his death...
    Truly evil, or criminally insane?

    I recall the latter was the verdict of the court.
    To be honest, I think he had only the vaguest idea where the bodies were buried...

    That said, criminally insane is arbitrary....anyone who takes pleasure in killing living, breathing sentient life should not judge someone like Brady.....
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    scotslassscotslass Posts: 912
    Not that I ever believe these sub samples but could I just point out that today's polls have the SNP at 49% (ICM) and 47% (Survation).

    I know that this is not what most PBeers want to hear but could SNP vote be hardening against the reports of a Tory surge?
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,631

    The Tory press tonight spouting the usual crap that people in the top 5% of earners are 'Middle Class'.

    Operation False Consciousness in full swing.

    Night night all.

    What does top 5% mean in terms of money? The difference between the top 0.1% and top 1% is pretty vast in absolute terms iirc so top 5% probably includes a lot of "ordinary" people.
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    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Interesting interview with Corbyn, including the revelation that he took part in debates at his grammar school calling for it to be made comprehensive

    Did he call for it to stop taking boarders as well?
    There is at least 1 state comprehensive boarding school
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/schools/state-comprehensive-boarding-school-royal-alexandra-albert-offers-best-of-both-worlds-8968092.html
    So is Duke of Yorks RMS at Dover-Really good school and is NOT just for military families as the name might suggest.
    Are you sure its not just military families - it always was.

    And I'm not sure its a really good school anymore.
    It is DEFINITELY open to all-no academic tests -but they do interview the child and make sure it is their choice as well -not just Mum and Dad palming them off.

    And it is a great school-had a problem about 5 years ago with some bullying but dealt with and now is a great school.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    tyson said:

    That said, criminally insane is arbitrary....anyone who takes pleasure in killing living, breathing sentient life should not judge someone like Brady.....

    I submit, ladies and gentlemen, the above post for your inspection. Savour it in all its full moral and political madness.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,267

    chestnut said:


    So the morality of these things only matter when they pose a direct threat to us? Well, it's one view I guess.

    I don't recall Pinochet trying to bomb London, Birmingham, Manchester etc. The IRA did it regularly.

    No, he only murdered and tortured Jonny Foreigners, so no problem.

    I'm trying to remember the chronology - were the Tories cosying up to Pinochet before, after, or at the same time as they were being apologists for Apartheid?
    That would be about the same time that they were arming the Khymer Rouge and the Taliban of Aghanistan too, as I recall.
    I thought Pakistan are the chief backers of the Taliban.
    In 1980 it was Maggie.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/dec/30/uk-mujahideen-afghanistan-soviet-invasion.

    So while Jezza was chatting to the IRA, Maggie was arming and training Islamist guerrillas.
    That was the Mujahadeen NOT the Taliban. The Taliban overthrew the Mujahadeen.
    Thank goodness no one from the Mujahideen ended up being a naughty boy.
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,050
    edited May 2017

    I can't help feeling that, if Labour supporters want to claim the moral high ground, they would be well advised not to make jokes about children tortured to death.

    RICHARD....Can you please refrain from being such a pompous, self righteous, pain in the arse, prig....just for a millisecond...thanks in advance. Kind regards Tyson....
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    CyanCyan Posts: 1,262
    edited May 2017
    Scott_P said:
    Jonny Geller is one of the world's top literary agents. Has he signed up 2017's Deep Throat, or what?
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,167
    Newsnight reports Labour will announce tomorrow it will renationalise the water industry too
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,167
    scotslass said:

    Not that I ever believe these sub samples but could I just point out that today's polls have the SNP at 49% (ICM) and 47% (Survation).

    I know that this is not what most PBeers want to hear but could SNP vote be hardening against the reports of a Tory surge?

    Yougov today has the SNP on 41% in a proper Scottish poll not just a subsample

    https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/05/15/voting-intention-regional-breakdown-apr-24-may-5/
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,267
    isam said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Not saying he wasn't rooting for leave, but I doubt he was entitled to vote.
    Yeah, that's why I said supporter.

    Edit: I'll at least allow he didn't bring many voters behind his standard.
    Crikey it was bad enough when I was a fascist, now I'm a moors murderer too.
    I'm sorry to be the one to break it to you, but you're just a bloke on the internet.
    Join the club.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    HYUFD said:

    Newsnight reports Labour will announce tomorrow it will renationalise the water industry too

    And the money will come from.....that magic money forest ain't half getting a bashing.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    scotslass said:

    could SNP vote be hardening against the reports of a Tory surge?

    No
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    "This is of course all reflected in the polls. Upto GE2015 LAB could largely take the working class vote for granted but now large swathes of it have disappeared.

    From what I can gather everything that was predicted about Corbyn’s leadership in a general election is actually happening. He is proving a massive negative and his supporters are left trying to find even more excuses."


    Except that the headline VI now seems to show Labour doing little or no worse than in 2015. ICM excepted, all of the recent surveys now have Labour on 30-32% GB-wide.

    All the more reason to suppose that said surveys are, in fact, bollocks.

    This notion that Labour is doing as well as it got under Miliband in the polls is a complete myth and I don't understand where it is coming from.

    In 2015 Labour got a bit over 31% of the GB (not UK) vote. Lets round down to 31% to keep it easy.

    According to UK Polling Report of the 11 surveys completed in May, Labour has matched the 31% once (ORB) and scored less than 31% in 10 out of 11 surveys. There has not been a single survey where Labour outperformed 31%.

    Labour is polling worse now than it achieved under Ed. That is without taking Labour's historical (including 2015) tendency to underperform polls into account.
    There were two surveys over the weekend - ORB and Opinium - putting Labour on 32%. Moreover if 2015 methodologies were still being used the polls would be showing a range of 30% - 34%.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    scotslass said:

    Not that I ever believe these sub samples but could I just point out that today's polls have the SNP at 49% (ICM) and 47% (Survation).

    I know that this is not what most PBeers want to hear but could SNP vote be hardening against the reports of a Tory surge?

    Subsample klaxon! :p
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,068
    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    In the case of Greece, they have relatively little debt maturing. The troika deal with them basically was the world's largest "extend and pretend", essentially a very large portion of their debt is close to zero interest and doesn't come due for decades. (I'm on a plane with a very slow connection so I can't check the exact numbers right now.) If all new debt was close to free for them, and this was replacing debt they were paying 6-7% on, then they would be able to use the difference to pay down their debt. (It's funny, we use "extend and pretend" a lot and imply it isn't sorting out a problem. But if someone says that debt equivalent to 100% of GDP is not repayable for 20 years and that there's no interest on it, then that's equivalent to a massive debt write off. After all., you save 20 years of debt repayments at - ooohhh... pick a numer - 3% of GDP.)

    I'd also point out that our friends in Ireland had debt that peaked at 125-130% of GDP at the height of the Eurozone crisis and had to be bailed out by the ECB. Their debt-to-GDP is now below ours, and will likely be close to 50% by 2020.

    The Eurozone's (outside Greece) big problem is not debt loadings. It's lack of growth. And low growth is largely a consequence of poor demographics and inflexible labour markets.

    In a very similar way is the UK's debt/GDP ratio really all that high? Of the £1.73tn stock of debt £0.44tn has real net interest rate of zero, is it real debt if there is no interest payable and the owner/creditor of said debt is unlikely to ever call it in given that it is essentially just a branch of the debtor?

    I would put it that the Greek bailout, all global QE (including ours) will eventually just be written off once enough time has passed in order to normalise the sovereign debt market.
    I think that's absolutely right. I wrote a thought piece (in my previous life as a fund manager) that made exactly that point.

    Which was why hunchman was always completely bat shit crazy. There is no global government debt crisis given the creditors (the central banks) will never demand repayment.

    Where is hunchman, by the way? I haven't seen him on Finchley Road looking for the global centre of lizard government for some time.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    HYUFD said:

    Newsnight reports Labour will announce tomorrow it will renationalise the water industry too

    maybe because Corbyn has no reservoir of support...
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    justin124 said:

    "This is of course all reflected in the polls. Upto GE2015 LAB could largely take the working class vote for granted but now large swathes of it have disappeared.

    From what I can gather everything that was predicted about Corbyn’s leadership in a general election is actually happening. He is proving a massive negative and his supporters are left trying to find even more excuses."


    Except that the headline VI now seems to show Labour doing little or no worse than in 2015. ICM excepted, all of the recent surveys now have Labour on 30-32% GB-wide.

    All the more reason to suppose that said surveys are, in fact, bollocks.

    This notion that Labour is doing as well as it got under Miliband in the polls is a complete myth and I don't understand where it is coming from.

    In 2015 Labour got a bit over 31% of the GB (not UK) vote. Lets round down to 31% to keep it easy.

    According to UK Polling Report of the 11 surveys completed in May, Labour has matched the 31% once (ORB) and scored less than 31% in 10 out of 11 surveys. There has not been a single survey where Labour outperformed 31%.

    Labour is polling worse now than it achieved under Ed. That is without taking Labour's historical (including 2015) tendency to underperform polls into account.
    There were two surveys over the weekend - ORB and Opinium - putting Labour on 32%. Moreover if 2015 methodologies were still being used the polls would be showing a range of 30% - 34%.
    We don't call you Justin Kill'Em Short Straws for nothing...
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,267
    edited May 2017
    HYUFD said:

    scotslass said:

    Not that I ever believe these sub samples but could I just point out that today's polls have the SNP at 49% (ICM) and 47% (Survation).

    I know that this is not what most PBeers want to hear but could SNP vote be hardening against the reports of a Tory surge?

    Yougov today has the SNP on 41% in a proper Scottish poll not just a subsample

    https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/05/15/voting-intention-regional-breakdown-apr-24-may-5/
    HUYFD quoting a 'proper' poll over a sub sample.

    *faints*
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