President Trump revealed highly classified information to the Russian foreign minister and ambassador in a White House meeting last week, according to current and former U.S. officials, who said that Trump’s disclosures jeopardized a critical source of intelligence on the Islamic State.
The information Trump relayed had been provided by a U.S. partner through an intelligence-sharing arrangement considered so sensitive that details have been withheld from allies and tightly restricted even within the U.S. government, officials said.
The partner had not given the United States permission to share the material with Russia, and officials said that Trump’s decision to do so risks cooperation from an ally that has access to the inner workings of the Islamic State. After Trump’s meeting, senior White House officials took steps to contain the damage, placing calls to the CIA and National Security Agency.
President Trump revealed highly classified information to the Russian foreign minister and ambassador in a White House meeting last week, according to current and former U.S. officials, who said that Trump’s disclosures jeopardized a critical source of intelligence on the Islamic State.
The information Trump relayed had been provided by a U.S. partner through an intelligence-sharing arrangement considered so sensitive that details have been withheld from allies and tightly restricted even within the U.S. government, officials said.
The partner had not given the United States permission to share the material with Russia, and officials said that Trump’s decision to do so risks cooperation from an ally that has access to the inner workings of the Islamic State. After Trump’s meeting, senior White House officials took steps to contain the damage, placing calls to the CIA and National Security Agency.
President Trump revealed highly classified information to the Russian foreign minister and ambassador in a White House meeting last week, according to current and former U.S. officials, who said that Trump’s disclosures jeopardized a critical source of intelligence on the Islamic State.
The information Trump relayed had been provided by a U.S. partner through an intelligence-sharing arrangement considered so sensitive that details have been withheld from allies and tightly restricted even within the U.S. government, officials said.
The partner had not given the United States permission to share the material with Russia, and officials said that Trump’s decision to do so risks cooperation from an ally that has access to the inner workings of the Islamic State. After Trump’s meeting, senior White House officials took steps to contain the damage, placing calls to the CIA and National Security Agency.
Why do I get the feeling at some point in the near future the video of those Russian prostitutes peeing in front of Donald Trump is going to be leaked, and I'll be forced to watch it.
You can tell how well Labour's election campaign is going by the fact that the next leadership election campaign is already being trailed in the press.
President Trump revealed highly classified information to the Russian foreign minister and ambassador in a White House meeting last week, according to current and former U.S. officials, who said that Trump’s disclosures jeopardized a critical source of intelligence on the Islamic State.
The information Trump relayed had been provided by a U.S. partner through an intelligence-sharing arrangement considered so sensitive that details have been withheld from allies and tightly restricted even within the U.S. government, officials said.
The partner had not given the United States permission to share the material with Russia, and officials said that Trump’s decision to do so risks cooperation from an ally that has access to the inner workings of the Islamic State. After Trump’s meeting, senior White House officials took steps to contain the damage, placing calls to the CIA and National Security Agency.
What? This has to be a feint, right? Like how Tory MPs were pretending Cameron would be fine to stay on if he lost the referendum, so they could present as loyal to the end?
So the morality of these things only matter when they pose a direct threat to us? Well, it's one view I guess.
I don't recall Pinochet trying to bomb London, Birmingham, Manchester etc. The IRA did it regularly.
Yes, and that doesn't meant that Pinochet's actions in his own country weren't awful. It's not exactly a crazy position to dislike the action of both Pinochet and the IRA.
I admit I am not massively exercised by Corbyn's fellow travelling with the IRA. There are complicated and conflated reasons. We're supposed to have moved on from the Troubles. It's a bitter pill to swallow to accept as pillars of our society baby murderers who haven't acknowledged their evil deeds let alone atoned for them, but we swallow the pill because it has to be better than the killings. I have less energy for Corbyn who of course didn't kill anyone. Many people compromised with the killers. They were doing that in the course of duty while Jeremy Corbyn was freelancing, but it is all very murky and Corbyn doesn't really stand out from the murk.
I am really more interested in what's happening now. I am not aware of Corbyn being egregious. Unlike Liam Fox who said Rodrigo Duterte, killer of drug addicts in cold blood, "shares our values" How dare Fox speak for us!
Sorry but how is openly sympathising with people who murdered innocents in any fucking way at all "murky"?
Here's an article from the Guardian on the subject. The Guardian. Not the Mail, not England football fans.
"Obviously if the peace process is to continue we must draw a line somewhere on the past and its crimes. But that does not mean we have to indulge republicans at every turn."
100% correct.
Corbyn's support of the IRA's murderers is unforgivable to me, or many others who nevertheless have - as you say - moved on from the Troubles.
Whereas the Tories just had mates like General Pinochet:
"During the period of Pinochet's rule, various investigations have identified the murder of 1,200 to 3,200 people with up to 80,000 people forcibly interned and as many as 30,000 tortured. According to the Chilean government, the official number of deaths and forced disappearances stands at 3,095." (Wikipedia)
Yep. I've always wondered how Tories on here felt about this.
I feel ..... Nothing.
Pinochet, unlike the IRA was no danger to this country.
So the morality of these things only matter when they pose a direct threat to us? Well, it's one view I guess.
It's the same view as those who think Stalin was actually laudable, rather than simply a necessary ally.
President Trump revealed highly classified information to the Russian foreign minister and ambassador in a White House meeting last week, according to current and former U.S. officials, who said that Trump’s disclosures jeopardized a critical source of intelligence on the Islamic State.
The information Trump relayed had been provided by a U.S. partner through an intelligence-sharing arrangement considered so sensitive that details have been withheld from allies and tightly restricted even within the U.S. government, officials said.
The partner had not given the United States permission to share the material with Russia, and officials said that Trump’s decision to do so risks cooperation from an ally that has access to the inner workings of the Islamic State. After Trump’s meeting, senior White House officials took steps to contain the damage, placing calls to the CIA and National Security Agency.
Why do I get the feeling at some point in the near future the video of those Russian prostitutes peeing in front of Donald Trump is going to be leaked, and I'll be forced to watch it.
In the interest of politics and it's betting implications i'm sure.
You may well be right. *whispers*I think Wrath of Khan is overrated.*endswhisper* so I'm not sure.
You what?
Please tell me you're joking.
The Wrath of Khan is one of the finest films of all time.
To misuse a phrase - you may well think that, I could not possibly comment. Any further. In order to be wise.
Tell me you consider Star Trek V: The Final Frontier the worst Star Trek film ever?
That will redeem you in my eyes.
Not The Search For Spock?
Nemesis is the pits but its TNG.
I liked Search for Spock a lot, had so many iconic moments.
My ranking of original series Star Trek films
1) Wrath of Khan 2) The Undiscovered Country 3) The Voyage Home 4) The Search for Spock 5) The Motion Picture: The Director's Edition 6) The Final Frontier.
Isn't it amazing that political anoraks can reveal an even sadder side...
My experience is that people who are anoraks in one obscure area, are probably anoraks in others as well (not that such mainstream stuff is obscure).
Could be worse - anyone collect antique globes? (I kid, nor do I, but actually that might be fascinating).
If I had enough money that is exactly what j would like to do!!
So the morality of these things only matter when they pose a direct threat to us? Well, it's one view I guess.
I don't recall Pinochet trying to bomb London, Birmingham, Manchester etc. The IRA did it regularly.
Yes, and that doesn't meant that Pinochet's actions in his own country weren't awful. It's not exactly a crazy position to dislike the action of both Pinochet and the IRA.
There are awful regimes in the world all the time. Very few directly attack the British people.
"...It is one reason why I am contemplating a serious career change.
In the end, you can only beat your head against a brick wall for so long before you decide that there are better things to do with your life - and head."
Dear Mr Llama: you are a very wise fellow.
I have in fact made my decision. But I am in the process of deciding precisely how I move to what I want to do and so it feels as if the decision-making hasn't yet been completed.
I don't suppose I will starve (and I have rainy day funds for just this purpose) but those to whom I've spoken say that the greater risk is that I will end up taking too much on (as I'm inclined to do by nature) and end up busier than ever. So I need to guard against that as I really want my remaining decades to be enjoyable and healthy.
I But as the Eldest Son put it to me: "You have created one job and team. You can go off now and create another."
So that is what I will do. But I will also have a good and relaxing summer in the Lakes I hope followed by three weeks in Canada celebrating my 25th wedding anniversary to help me refocus my life.
But I will also admit to being a bit apprehensive. Like standing on the edge of the water wondering what it will be like to jump in.........
Good luck to you
I had to completely change tack and retrain at 45 ( university degree through distance learning whilst working and with kids at home) BUT it was worth it.
"Like standing on the edge of the water wondering what it will be like to jump in........."
You will be fine-worst case scenario-you have to go back to what you did before-not great for the self esteem -but nor is it fatal.
What? This has to be a feint, right? Like how Tory MPs were pretending Cameron would be fine to stay on if he lost the referendum, so they could present as loyal to the end?
To be fair the likes of Michael Gove were prepared for Dave to continue on, but Dave realised you lose a nation changing referendum, you have to go.
So the morality of these things only matter when they pose a direct threat to us? Well, it's one view I guess.
I don't recall Pinochet trying to bomb London, Birmingham, Manchester etc. The IRA did it regularly.
Yes, and that doesn't meant that Pinochet's actions in his own country weren't awful. It's not exactly a crazy position to dislike the action of both Pinochet and the IRA.
Indeed. But not all evils are equal, and not all support for evils is equally disqualifying.
So the morality of these things only matter when they pose a direct threat to us? Well, it's one view I guess.
I don't recall Pinochet trying to bomb London, Birmingham, Manchester etc. The IRA did it regularly.
No, he only murdered and tortured Jonny Foreigners, so no problem.
I'm trying to remember the chronology - were the Tories cosying up to Pinochet before, after, or at the same time as they were being apologists for Apartheid?
So the morality of these things only matter when they pose a direct threat to us? Well, it's one view I guess.
I don't recall Pinochet trying to bomb London, Birmingham, Manchester etc. The IRA did it regularly.
No, he only murdered and tortured Jonny Foreigners, so no problem.
I'm trying to remember the chronology - were the Tories cosying up to Pinochet before, after, or at the same time as they were being apologists for Apartheid?
That would be about the same time that they were arming the Khymer Rouge and the Taliban of Aghanistan too, as I recall.
So the morality of these things only matter when they pose a direct threat to us? Well, it's one view I guess.
I don't recall Pinochet trying to bomb London, Birmingham, Manchester etc. The IRA did it regularly.
No, he only murdered and tortured Jonny Foreigners, so no problem.
I'm trying to remember the chronology - were the Tories cosying up to Pinochet before, after, or at the same time as they were being apologists for Apartheid?
"...It is one reason why I am contemplating a serious career change.
In the end, you can only beat your head against a brick wall for so long before you decide that there are better things to do with your life - and head."
Are you still pondering, Mrs. Free? Is there anything to really ponder about? You children are grown up, so what is stopping you doing what you want to do? Is it money? It was for me when I was thinking about bailing out of the public sector do do what I really wanted to do. In the end I just went for it and hang the financial security. There are a lot more important things in life, like enjoying it, we only get one crack at it and there isn't much to be said for being a financially secure corpse.
I know that there are at least three others who regularly post on this site who have made similar life changing decisions and all of us seem to have done OK. Financially at the very least we have all kept the lupine pest from lolling around on the front doorstep and I think we have all been much happier doing what we wanted to do.
Dear Mr Llama: you are a very wise fellow.
But I will also admit to being a bit apprehensive. Like standing on the edge of the water wondering what it will be like to jump in.........
A friend of mine in publishing recently abandoned his quite lucrative but increasingly dispiriting career to become... an artisanal butcher and foodie dude in Kent.
He had the life, the Chiswick house, the private schools for the kids, etc
Cushioned by London property prices he was able to sell up at a fat profit, buy a nice four bedroom oast house in Sandwich, and use the capital to invest in samphire picking and kombucha pickling.
It wasn't the bravest decision by any means (that London property left him with half a million capital as a safety net). But nonetheless it was a big wrench in terms of friends, connections, lifestyle.
He's never been happier. He walks the dogs and smokes his own bacon and sells it at intriguingly increasing profit. He is fulfilling himself, creatively, after a lifetime of corporate obedience.
How interesting, I know the bloke you're talking about, not in person but he was recommended to me
His bacon is genuinely brilliant.
I live 5 miles from sandwich-where does he sell it??
One can't help feel relieved that someone truly evil is gone... But given the body of Keith Bennett remains on those Moors and now Brady has taken that location to his grave the relief is tempered somewhat... Because he kept that final power he had over his victims to his death...
So the morality of these things only matter when they pose a direct threat to us? Well, it's one view I guess.
I don't recall Pinochet trying to bomb London, Birmingham, Manchester etc. The IRA did it regularly.
No, he only murdered and tortured Jonny Foreigners, so no problem.
I'm trying to remember the chronology - were the Tories cosying up to Pinochet before, after, or at the same time as they were being apologists for Apartheid?
That would be about the same time that they were arming the Khymer Rouge and the Taliban of Aghanistan too, as I recall.
So, let me understand this - the IRA blowing up the British is equally justified?
So the morality of these things only matter when they pose a direct threat to us? Well, it's one view I guess.
I don't recall Pinochet trying to bomb London, Birmingham, Manchester etc. The IRA did it regularly.
No, he only murdered and tortured Jonny Foreigners, so no problem.
I'm trying to remember the chronology - were the Tories cosying up to Pinochet before, after, or at the same time as they were being apologists for Apartheid?
It's the job of British politicians to pursue British interests.
We can be sure that Corbyn would not, if he were PM.
So the morality of these things only matter when they pose a direct threat to us? Well, it's one view I guess.
I don't recall Pinochet trying to bomb London, Birmingham, Manchester etc. The IRA did it regularly.
No, he only murdered and tortured Jonny Foreigners, so no problem.
I'm trying to remember the chronology - were the Tories cosying up to Pinochet before, after, or at the same time as they were being apologists for Apartheid?
That would be about the same time that they were arming the Khymer Rouge and the Taliban of Aghanistan too, as I recall.
I thought Pakistan are the chief backers of the Taliban.
One can't help feel relieved that someone truly evil is gone... But given the body of Keith Bennett remains on those Moors and now Brady has taken that location to his grave the relief is tempered somewhat... Because he kept that final power he had over his victims to his death...
"...It is one reason why I am contemplating a serious career change.
In the end, you can only beat your head against a brick wall for so long before you decide that there are better things to do with your life - and head."
Are you still pondering, Mrs. Free? Is there anything to really ponder about? You children are grown up, so what is stopping you doing what you want to do? Is it money? It was for me when I was thinking about bailing out of the public sector do do what I really wanted to do. In the end I just went for it and hang the financial security. There are a lot more important things in life, like enjoying it, we only get one crack at it and there isn't much to be said for being a financially secure corpse.
I know that there are at least three others who regularly post on this site who have made similar life changing decisions and all of us seem to have done OK. Financially at the very least we have all kept the lupine pest from lolling around on the front doorstep and I think we have all been much happier doing what we wanted to do.
Dear Mr Llama: you are a very wise fellow.
But I will also admit to being a bit apprehensive. Like standing on the edge of the water wondering what it will be like to jump in.........
A friend of mine in publishing recently abandoned his quite lucrative but increasingly dispiriting career to become... an artisanal butcher and foodie dude in Kent.
He had the life, the Chiswick house, the private schools for the kids, etc
Cushioned by London property prices he was able to sell up at a fat profit, buy a nice four bedroom oast house in Sandwich, and use the capital to invest in samphire picking and kombucha pickling.
It wasn't the bravest decision by any means (that London property left him with half a million capital as a safety net). But nonetheless it was a big wrench in terms of friends, connections, lifestyle.
He's never been happier. He walks the dogs and smokes his own bacon and sells it at intriguingly increasing profit. He is fulfilling himself, creatively, after a lifetime of corporate obedience.
How interesting, I know the bloke you're talking about, not in person but he was recommended to me
His bacon is genuinely brilliant.
I live 5 miles from sandwich-where does he sell it??
"...It is one reason why I am contemplating a serious career change.
In the end, you can only beat your head against a brick wall for so long before you decide that there are better things to do with your life - and head."
Are you still pondering, Mrs. Free? Is there anything to really ponder about? You children are grown up, so what is stopping you doing what you want to do? Is it money? It was for me when I was thinking about bailing out of the public sector do do what I really wanted to do. In the end I just went for it and hang the financial security. There are a lot more important things in life, like enjoying it, we only get one crack at it and there isn't much to be said for being a financially secure corpse.
I know that there are at least three others who regularly post on this site who have made similar life changing decisions and all of us seem to have done OK. Financially at the very least we have all kept the lupine pest from lolling around on the front doorstep and I think we have all been much happier doing what we wanted to do.
Dear Mr Llama: you are a very wise fellow.
But I will also admit to being a bit apprehensive. Like standing on the edge of the water wondering what it will be like to jump in.........
A friend of mine in publishing recently abandoned his quite lucrative but increasingly dispiriting career to become... an artisanal butcher and foodie dude in Kent.
He had the life, the Chiswick house, the private schools for the kids, etc
Cushioned by London property prices he was able to sell up at a fat profit, buy a nice four bedroom oast house in Sandwich, and use the capital to invest in samphire picking and kombucha pickling.
It wasn't the bravest decision by any means (that London property left him with half a million capital as a safety net). But nonetheless it was a big wrench in terms of friends, connections, lifestyle.
He's never been happier. He walks the dogs and smokes his own bacon and sells it at intriguingly increasing profit. He is fulfilling himself, creatively, after a lifetime of corporate obedience.
How interesting, I know the bloke you're talking about, not in person but he was recommended to me
His bacon is genuinely brilliant.
I live 5 miles from sandwich-where does he sell it??
"...It is one reason why I am contemplating a serious career change.
In the end, you can only beat your head against a brick wall for so long before you decide that there are better things to do with your life - and head."
Are you still pondering, Mrs. Free? Is there anything to really ponder about? You children are grown up, so what is stopping you doing what you want to do? Is it money? It was for me when I was thinking about bailing out of the public sector do do what I really wanted to do. In the end I just went for it and hang the financial security. There are a lot more important things in life, like enjoying it, we only get one crack at it and there isn't much to be said for being a financially secure corpse.
I know that there are at least three others who regularly post on this site who have made similar life changing decisions and all of us seem to have done OK. Financially at the very least we have all kept the lupine pest from lolling around on the front doorstep and I think we have all been much happier doing what we wanted to do.
Dear Mr Llama: you are a very wise fellow.
But I will also admit to being a bit apprehensive. Like standing on the edge of the water wondering what it will be like to jump in.........
A friend of mine in publishing recently abandoned his quite lucrative but increasingly dispiriting career to become... an artisanal butcher and foodie dude in Kent.
He had the life, the Chiswick house, the private schools for the kids, etc
Cushioned by London property prices he was able to sell up at a fat profit, buy a nice four bedroom oast house in Sandwich, and use the capital to invest in samphire picking and kombucha pickling.
It wasn't the bravest decision by any means (that London property left him with half a million capital as a safety net). But nonetheless it was a big wrench in terms of friends, connections, lifestyle.
He's never been happier. He walks the dogs and smokes his own bacon and sells it at intriguingly increasing profit. He is fulfilling himself, creatively, after a lifetime of corporate obedience.
How interesting, I know the bloke you're talking about, not in person but he was recommended to me
His bacon is genuinely brilliant.
I live 5 miles from sandwich-where does he sell it??
Ash? Or Ham?
I used to spend a lot of time in Sandwich (Delf St)
"...It is one reason why I am contemplating a serious career change.
In the end, you can only beat your head against a brick wall for so long before you decide that there are better things to do with your life - and head."
Are you still pondering, Mrs. Free? Is there anything to really ponder about? You children are grown up, so what is stopping you doing what you want to do? Is it money? It was for me when I was thinking about bailing out of the public sector do do what I really wanted to do. In the end I just went for it and hang the financial security. There are a lot more important things in life, like enjoying it, we only get one crack at it and there isn't much to be said for being a financially secure corpse.
I know that there are at least three others who regularly post on this site who have made similar life changing decisions and all of us seem to have done OK. Financially at the very least we have all kept the lupine pest from lolling around on the front doorstep and I think we have all been much happier doing what we wanted to do.
Dear Mr Llama: you are a very wise fellow.
But I will also admit to being a bit apprehensive. Like standing on the edge of the water wondering what it will be like to jump in.........
A friend of mine in publishing recently abandoned his quite lucrative but increasingly dispiriting career to become... an artisanal butcher and foodie dude in Kent.
He had the life, the Chiswick house, the private schools for the kids, etc
Cushioned by London property prices he was able to sell up at a fat profit, buy a nice four bedroom oast house in Sandwich, and use the capital to invest in samphire picking and kombucha pickling.
It wasn't the bravest decision by any means (that London property left him with half a million capital as a safety net). But nonetheless it was a big wrench in terms of friends, connections, lifestyle.
He's never been happier. He walks the dogs and smokes his own bacon and sells it at intriguingly increasing profit. He is fulfilling himself, creatively, after a lifetime of corporate obedience.
How interesting, I know the bloke you're talking about, not in person but he was recommended to me
His bacon is genuinely brilliant.
I live 5 miles from sandwich-where does he sell it??
Macron says he is not in favour of Eurozone debt mutualisation for any past debts. First diplomatic victory for Merkel?
If you'l excuse me for delving into the technical, the best proposed/suggestd Eurozone debt mutualisation plan was this:
- there would be an amount of mutualised debt up to, say, 60%* of GDP that countries were allowed to issue - such debt is still issued by the country, and the country is still responsible for the repayment and debt service, but in the event of default the Eurozone was jointly and severally responsible for its repayment (in all likelihood, the ECB would step up) - this would mean that the first chunk of debt a country issued would be very cheap, but that any additional debt on top of the 60% was very expensive - this would be phased in by countries issuing new Eurozone guaranteed debt, not by converting existing debt - the effect of this would be to remove all funding risk from highly indebted countries for about 6 to 10 years (as very few Eurozone countries have that much to roll over in the near term)
I don't think it's likely to happen. But if common Eurozone debt were to come about, this is likely how it would be implemented.
* The 60% is just a placeholder. Use whatever number you prefer.
Mr Robert, jolly good. Where would such a plan leave Greece, which already has debts that will never be repaid, and, for that matter, Italy and Portugal?
In the case of Greece, they have relatively little debt maturing. The troika deal with them basically was the world's largest "extend and pretend", essentially a very large portion of their debt is close to zero interest and doesn't come due for decades. (I'm on a plane with a very slow connection so I can't check the exact numbers right now.) If all new debt was close to free for them, and this was replacing debt they were paying 6-7% on, then they would be able to use the difference to pay down their debt. (It's funny, we use "extend and pretend" a lot and imply it isn't sorting out a problem. But if someone says that debt equivalent to 100% of GDP is not repayable for 20 years and that there's no interest on it, then that's equivalent to a massive debt write off. After all., you save 20 years of debt repayments at - ooohhh... pick a numer - 3% of GDP.)
I'd also point out that our friends in Ireland had debt that peaked at 125-130% of GDP at the height of the Eurozone crisis and had to be bailed out by the ECB. Their debt-to-GDP is now below ours, and will likely be close to 50% by 2020.
The Eurozone's (outside Greece) big problem is not debt loadings. It's lack of growth. And low growth is largely a consequence of poor demographics and inflexible labour markets.
So the morality of these things only matter when they pose a direct threat to us? Well, it's one view I guess.
I don't recall Pinochet trying to bomb London, Birmingham, Manchester etc. The IRA did it regularly.
No, he only murdered and tortured Jonny Foreigners, so no problem.
I'm trying to remember the chronology - were the Tories cosying up to Pinochet before, after, or at the same time as they were being apologists for Apartheid?
That would be about the same time that they were arming the Khymer Rouge and the Taliban of Aghanistan too, as I recall.
I thought Pakistan are the chief backers of the Taliban.
"...It is one reason why I am contemplating a serious career change.
In the end, you can only beat your head against a brick wall for so long before you decide that there are better things to do with your life - and head."
Are you still pondering, Mrs. Free? Is there anything to really ponder about? You children are grown up, so what is stopping you doing what you want to do? Is it money? It was for me when I was thinking about bailing out of the public sector do do what I really wanted to do. In the end I just went for it and hang the financial security. There are a lot more important things in life, like enjoying it, we only get one crack at it and there isn't much to be said for being a financially secure corpse.
I know that there are at least three others who regularly post on this site who have made similar life changing decisions and all of us seem to have done OK. Financially at the very least we have all kept the lupine pest from lolling around on the front doorstep and I think we have all been much happier doing what we wanted to do.
Dear Mr Llama: you are a very wise fellow.
But I will also admit to being a bit apprehensive. Like standing on the edge of the water wondering what it will be like to jump in.........
A friend of mine in publishing recently abandoned his quite lucrative but increasingly dispiriting career to become... an artisanal butcher and foodie dude in Kent.
He had the life, the Chiswick house, the private schools for the kids, etc
Cushioned by London property prices he was able to sell up at a fat profit, buy a nice four bedroom oast house in Sandwich, and use the capital to invest in samphire picking and kombucha pickling.
It wasn't the bravest decision by any means (that London property left him with half a million capital as a safety net). But nonetheless it was a big wrench in terms of friends, connections, lifestyle.
He's never been happier. He walks the dogs and smokes his own bacon and sells it at intriguingly increasing profit. He is fulfilling himself, creatively, after a lifetime of corporate obedience.
How interesting, I know the bloke you're talking about, not in person but he was recommended to me
His bacon is genuinely brilliant.
I live 5 miles from sandwich-where does he sell it??
One can't help feel relieved that someone truly evil is gone... But given the body of Keith Bennett remains on those Moors and now Brady has taken that location to his grave the relief is tempered somewhat... Because he kept that final power he had over his victims to his death...
Myra Hindley was cremated and her ashes scattered - presumably the same awaits Brady?
"...It is one reason why I am contemplating a serious career change.
In the end, you can only beat your head against a brick wall for so long before you decide that there are better things to do with your life - and head."
Are you still pondering, Mrs. Free? Is there anything to really ponder about? You children are grown up, so what is stopping you doing what you want to do? Is it money? It was for me when I was thinking about bailing out of the public sector do do what I really wanted to do. In the end I just went for it and hang the financial security. There are a lot more important things in life, like enjoying it, we only get one crack at it and there isn't much to be said for being a financially secure corpse.
I know that there are at least three others who regularly post on this site who have made similar life changing decisions and all of us seem to have done OK. Financially at the very least we have all kept the lupine pest from lolling around on the front doorstep and I think we have all been much happier doing what we wanted to do.
Dear Mr Llama: you are a very wise fellow.
But I will also admit to being a bit apprehensive. Like standing on the edge of the water wondering what it will be like to jump in.........
A friend of mine in publishing recently abandoned his quite lucrative but increasingly dispiriting career to become... an artisanal butcher and foodie dude in Kent.
He had the life, the Chiswick house, the private schools for the kids, etc
Cushioned by London property prices he was able to sell up at a fat profit, buy a nice four bedroom oast house in Sandwich, and use the capital to invest in samphire picking and kombucha pickling.
It wasn't the bravest decision by any means (that London property left him with half a million capital as a safety net). But nonetheless it was a big wrench in terms of friends, connections, lifestyle.
He's never been happier. He walks the dogs and smokes his own bacon and sells it at intriguingly increasing profit. He is fulfilling himself, creatively, after a lifetime of corporate obedience.
How interesting, I know the bloke you're talking about, not in person but he was recommended to me
His bacon is genuinely brilliant.
I live 5 miles from sandwich-where does he sell it??
"...It is one reason why I am contemplating a serious career change.
In the end, you can only beat your head against a brick wall for so long before you decide that there are better things to do with your life - and head."
Are you still pondering, Mrs. Free? Is there anything to really ponder about? You children are grown up, so what is stopping you doing what you want to do? Is it money? It was for me when I was thinking about bailing out of the public sector do do what I really wanted to do. In the end I just went for it and hang the financial security. There are a lot more important things in life, like enjoying it, we only get one crack at it and there isn't much to be said for being a financially secure corpse.
I know that there are at least three others who regularly post on this site who have made similar life changing decisions and all of us seem to have done OK. Financially at the very least we have all kept the lupine pest from lolling around on the front doorstep and I think we have all been much happier doing what we wanted to do.
Dear Mr Llama: you are a very wise fellow.
But I will also admit to being a bit apprehensive. Like standing on the edge of the water wondering what it will be like to jump in.........
A friend of mine in publishing recently abandoned his quite lucrative but increasingly dispiriting career to become... an artisanal butcher and foodie dude in Kent.
He had the life, the Chiswick house, the private schools for the kids, etc
Cushioned by London property prices he was able to sell up at a fat profit, buy a nice four bedroom oast house in Sandwich, and use the capital to invest in samphire picking and kombucha pickling.
It wasn't the bravest decision by any means (that London property left him with half a million capital as a safety net). But nonetheless it was a big wrench in terms of friends, connections, lifestyle.
He's never been happier. He walks the dogs and smokes his own bacon and sells it at intriguingly increasing profit. He is fulfilling himself, creatively, after a lifetime of corporate obedience.
How interesting, I know the bloke you're talking about, not in person but he was recommended to me
His bacon is genuinely brilliant.
I live 5 miles from sandwich-where does he sell it??
Thanks goodness Brady is dead....it is similar to the UK removing the worst kind of insidious splinter that has been buried deep inside...it's gone, and with it all that awfulness......
"...It is one reason why I am contemplating a serious career change.
In the end, you can only beat your head against a brick wall for so long before you decide that there are better things to do with your life - and head."
Are you still pondering, Mrs. Free? Is there anything to really ponder about? You children are grown up, so what is stopping you doing what you want to do? Is it money? It was for me when I was thinking about bailing out of the public sector do do what I really wanted to do. In the end I just went for it and hang the financial security. There are a lot more important things in life, like enjoying it, we only get one crack at it and there isn't much to be said for being a financially secure corpse.
I know that there are at least three others who regularly post on this site who have made similar life changing decisions and all of us seem to have done OK. Financially at the very least we have all kept the lupine pest from lolling around on the front doorstep and I think we have all been much happier doing what we wanted to do.
Dear Mr Llama: you are a very wise fellow.
But I will also admit to being a bit apprehensive. Like standing on the edge of the water wondering what it will be like to jump in.........
A friend of mine in publishing recently abandoned his quite lucrative but increasingly dispiriting career to become... an artisanal butcher and foodie dude in Kent.
He had the life, the Chiswick house, the private schools for the kids, etc
Cushioned by London property prices he was able to sell up at a fat profit, buy a nice four bedroom oast house in Sandwich, and use the capital to invest in samphire picking and kombucha pickling.
It wasn't the bravest decision by any means (that London property left him with half a million capital as a safety net). But nonetheless it was a big wrench in terms of friends, connections, lifestyle.
He's never been happier. He walks the dogs and smokes his own bacon and sells it at intriguingly increasing profit. He is fulfilling himself, creatively, after a lifetime of corporate obedience.
How interesting, I know the bloke you're talking about, not in person but he was recommended to me
His bacon is genuinely brilliant.
I live 5 miles from sandwich-where does he sell it??
If that is an accurate quote from Clive Lewis tonight may I say how much I agree with it. As far as I am concerned Jeremy Corbyn can remain Labour leader for life. He is the best Labour leader of my lifetime.
One can't help feel relieved that someone truly evil is gone... But given the body of Keith Bennett remains on those Moors and now Brady has taken that location to his grave the relief is tempered somewhat... Because he kept that final power he had over his victims to his death...
I can't help feeling that, if Labour supporters want to claim the moral high ground, they would be well advised not to make jokes about children tortured to death.
What? This has to be a feint, right? Like how Tory MPs were pretending Cameron would be fine to stay on if he lost the referendum, so they could present as loyal to the end?
To be fair the likes of Michael Gove were prepared for Dave to continue on, but Dave realised you lose a nation changing referendum, you have to go.
Cos you got Gove Gove Gove on your side Cos you got Gove Gove Gove on your side
So the morality of these things only matter when they pose a direct threat to us? Well, it's one view I guess.
I don't recall Pinochet trying to bomb London, Birmingham, Manchester etc. The IRA did it regularly.
No, he only murdered and tortured Jonny Foreigners, so no problem.
I'm trying to remember the chronology - were the Tories cosying up to Pinochet before, after, or at the same time as they were being apologists for Apartheid?
That would be about the same time that they were arming the Khymer Rouge and the Taliban of Aghanistan too, as I recall.
I thought Pakistan are the chief backers of the Taliban.
There are only 3 countries outside the US who would be running notable human or technical resources into IS territory.
Not surprisingly, we are one. Who knows Mr Cheeto face there may have been blabbing to our's and the West's detriment.
As for Paul Ryan, he might have a fire lit under his arse soon himself but his comments are, maybe but maybe not, notable.
Watch if the GOP starts stepping a yard away from Donald, watch if Democrats start talking impeachment. There is enough connections up Capitol Hill to know if something is going to come down on the White House head, even if they don't know the detail. Everyone will want to be seem to be doing the right thing....
One can't help feel relieved that someone truly evil is gone... But given the body of Keith Bennett remains on those Moors and now Brady has taken that location to his grave the relief is tempered somewhat... Because he kept that final power he had over his victims to his death...
Truly evil, or criminally insane?
I recall the latter was the verdict of the court.
Quite wrong. He was convicted of murder.
He was moved into a secure unit after being declared insane, but that was well into the 90's IIRC.
"...It is one reason why I am contemplating a serious career change.
In the end, you can only beat your head against a brick wall for so long before you decide that there are better things to do with your life - and head."
Are you still pondering, Mrs. Free? Is there anything to really ponder about? You children are grown up, so what is stopping you doing what you want to do? Is it money? It was for me when I was thinking about bailing out of the public sector do do what I really wanted to do. In the end I just went for it and hang the financial security. There are a lot more important things in life, like enjoying it, we only get one crack at it and there isn't much to be said for being a financially secure corpse.
I know that there are at least three others who regularly post on this site who have made similar life changing decisions and all of us seem to have done OK. Financially at the very least we have all kept the lupine pest from lolling around on the front doorstep and I think we have all been much happier doing what we wanted to do.
Dear Mr Llama: you are a very wise fellow.
But I will also admit to being a bit apprehensive. Like standing on the edge of the water wondering what it will be like to jump in.........
A friend of mine in publishing recently abandoned his quite lucrative but increasingly dispiriting career to become... an artisanal butcher and foodie dude in Kent.
He had the life, the Chiswick house, the private schools for the kids, etc
Cushioned by London property prices he was able to sell up at a fat profit, buy a nice four bedroom oast house in Sandwich, and use the capital to invest in samphire picking and kombucha pickling.
It wasn't the bravest decision by any means (that London property left him with half a million capital as a safety net). But nonetheless it was a big wrench in terms of friends, connections, lifestyle.
He's never been happier. He walks the dogs and smokes his own bacon and sells it at intriguingly increasing profit. He is fulfilling himself, creatively, after a lifetime of corporate obedience.
How interesting, I know the bloke you're talking about, not in person but he was recommended to me
His bacon is genuinely brilliant.
I live 5 miles from sandwich-where does he sell it??
I can't help feeling that, if Labour supporters want to claim the moral high ground, they would be well advised not to make jokes about children tortured to death.
So the morality of these things only matter when they pose a direct threat to us? Well, it's one view I guess.
I don't recall Pinochet trying to bomb London, Birmingham, Manchester etc. The IRA did it regularly.
Hamas have never attacked the UK. So I guess no one will bother making reference to Corbyn's association with them during this campaign, it's not really relevant. Doesn't really matter what they do in their own backyard.
So the morality of these things only matter when they pose a direct threat to us? Well, it's one view I guess.
I don't recall Pinochet trying to bomb London, Birmingham, Manchester etc. The IRA did it regularly.
No, he only murdered and tortured Jonny Foreigners, so no problem.
I'm trying to remember the chronology - were the Tories cosying up to Pinochet before, after, or at the same time as they were being apologists for Apartheid?
That would be about the same time that they were arming the Khymer Rouge and the Taliban of Aghanistan too, as I recall.
I thought Pakistan are the chief backers of the Taliban.
In the case of Greece, they have relatively little debt maturing. The troika deal with them basically was the world's largest "extend and pretend", essentially a very large portion of their debt is close to zero interest and doesn't come due for decades. (I'm on a plane with a very slow connection so I can't check the exact numbers right now.) If all new debt was close to free for them, and this was replacing debt they were paying 6-7% on, then they would be able to use the difference to pay down their debt. (It's funny, we use "extend and pretend" a lot and imply it isn't sorting out a problem. But if someone says that debt equivalent to 100% of GDP is not repayable for 20 years and that there's no interest on it, then that's equivalent to a massive debt write off. After all., you save 20 years of debt repayments at - ooohhh... pick a numer - 3% of GDP.)
I'd also point out that our friends in Ireland had debt that peaked at 125-130% of GDP at the height of the Eurozone crisis and had to be bailed out by the ECB. Their debt-to-GDP is now below ours, and will likely be close to 50% by 2020.
The Eurozone's (outside Greece) big problem is not debt loadings. It's lack of growth. And low growth is largely a consequence of poor demographics and inflexible labour markets.
In a very similar way is the UK's debt/GDP ratio really all that high? Of the £1.73tn stock of debt £0.44tn has real net interest rate of zero, is it real debt if there is no interest payable and the owner/creditor of said debt is unlikely to ever call it in given that it is essentially just a branch of the debtor?
I would put it that the Greek bailout, all global QE (including ours) will eventually just be written off once enough time has passed in order to normalise the sovereign debt market.
One can't help feel relieved that someone truly evil is gone... But given the body of Keith Bennett remains on those Moors and now Brady has taken that location to his grave the relief is tempered somewhat... Because he kept that final power he had over his victims to his death...
Truly evil, or criminally insane?
I recall the latter was the verdict of the court.
To be honest, I think he had only the vaguest idea where the bodies were buried...
That said, criminally insane is arbitrary....anyone who takes pleasure in killing living, breathing sentient life should not judge someone like Brady.....
The Tory press tonight spouting the usual crap that people in the top 5% of earners are 'Middle Class'.
Operation False Consciousness in full swing.
Night night all.
What does top 5% mean in terms of money? The difference between the top 0.1% and top 1% is pretty vast in absolute terms iirc so top 5% probably includes a lot of "ordinary" people.
So is Duke of Yorks RMS at Dover-Really good school and is NOT just for military families as the name might suggest.
Are you sure its not just military families - it always was.
And I'm not sure its a really good school anymore.
It is DEFINITELY open to all-no academic tests -but they do interview the child and make sure it is their choice as well -not just Mum and Dad palming them off.
And it is a great school-had a problem about 5 years ago with some bullying but dealt with and now is a great school.
That said, criminally insane is arbitrary....anyone who takes pleasure in killing living, breathing sentient life should not judge someone like Brady.....
I submit, ladies and gentlemen, the above post for your inspection. Savour it in all its full moral and political madness.
So the morality of these things only matter when they pose a direct threat to us? Well, it's one view I guess.
I don't recall Pinochet trying to bomb London, Birmingham, Manchester etc. The IRA did it regularly.
No, he only murdered and tortured Jonny Foreigners, so no problem.
I'm trying to remember the chronology - were the Tories cosying up to Pinochet before, after, or at the same time as they were being apologists for Apartheid?
That would be about the same time that they were arming the Khymer Rouge and the Taliban of Aghanistan too, as I recall.
I thought Pakistan are the chief backers of the Taliban.
I can't help feeling that, if Labour supporters want to claim the moral high ground, they would be well advised not to make jokes about children tortured to death.
RICHARD....Can you please refrain from being such a pompous, self righteous, pain in the arse, prig....just for a millisecond...thanks in advance. Kind regards Tyson....
"This is of course all reflected in the polls. Upto GE2015 LAB could largely take the working class vote for granted but now large swathes of it have disappeared.
From what I can gather everything that was predicted about Corbyn’s leadership in a general election is actually happening. He is proving a massive negative and his supporters are left trying to find even more excuses."
Except that the headline VI now seems to show Labour doing little or no worse than in 2015. ICM excepted, all of the recent surveys now have Labour on 30-32% GB-wide.
All the more reason to suppose that said surveys are, in fact, bollocks.
This notion that Labour is doing as well as it got under Miliband in the polls is a complete myth and I don't understand where it is coming from.
In 2015 Labour got a bit over 31% of the GB (not UK) vote. Lets round down to 31% to keep it easy.
According to UK Polling Report of the 11 surveys completed in May, Labour has matched the 31% once (ORB) and scored less than 31% in 10 out of 11 surveys. There has not been a single survey where Labour outperformed 31%.
Labour is polling worse now than it achieved under Ed. That is without taking Labour's historical (including 2015) tendency to underperform polls into account.
There were two surveys over the weekend - ORB and Opinium - putting Labour on 32%. Moreover if 2015 methodologies were still being used the polls would be showing a range of 30% - 34%.
In the case of Greece, they have relatively little debt maturing. The troika deal with them basically was the world's largest "extend and pretend", essentially a very large portion of their debt is close to zero interest and doesn't come due for decades. (I'm on a plane with a very slow connection so I can't check the exact numbers right now.) If all new debt was close to free for them, and this was replacing debt they were paying 6-7% on, then they would be able to use the difference to pay down their debt. (It's funny, we use "extend and pretend" a lot and imply it isn't sorting out a problem. But if someone says that debt equivalent to 100% of GDP is not repayable for 20 years and that there's no interest on it, then that's equivalent to a massive debt write off. After all., you save 20 years of debt repayments at - ooohhh... pick a numer - 3% of GDP.)
I'd also point out that our friends in Ireland had debt that peaked at 125-130% of GDP at the height of the Eurozone crisis and had to be bailed out by the ECB. Their debt-to-GDP is now below ours, and will likely be close to 50% by 2020.
The Eurozone's (outside Greece) big problem is not debt loadings. It's lack of growth. And low growth is largely a consequence of poor demographics and inflexible labour markets.
In a very similar way is the UK's debt/GDP ratio really all that high? Of the £1.73tn stock of debt £0.44tn has real net interest rate of zero, is it real debt if there is no interest payable and the owner/creditor of said debt is unlikely to ever call it in given that it is essentially just a branch of the debtor?
I would put it that the Greek bailout, all global QE (including ours) will eventually just be written off once enough time has passed in order to normalise the sovereign debt market.
I think that's absolutely right. I wrote a thought piece (in my previous life as a fund manager) that made exactly that point.
Which was why hunchman was always completely bat shit crazy. There is no global government debt crisis given the creditors (the central banks) will never demand repayment.
Where is hunchman, by the way? I haven't seen him on Finchley Road looking for the global centre of lizard government for some time.
"This is of course all reflected in the polls. Upto GE2015 LAB could largely take the working class vote for granted but now large swathes of it have disappeared.
From what I can gather everything that was predicted about Corbyn’s leadership in a general election is actually happening. He is proving a massive negative and his supporters are left trying to find even more excuses."
Except that the headline VI now seems to show Labour doing little or no worse than in 2015. ICM excepted, all of the recent surveys now have Labour on 30-32% GB-wide.
All the more reason to suppose that said surveys are, in fact, bollocks.
This notion that Labour is doing as well as it got under Miliband in the polls is a complete myth and I don't understand where it is coming from.
In 2015 Labour got a bit over 31% of the GB (not UK) vote. Lets round down to 31% to keep it easy.
According to UK Polling Report of the 11 surveys completed in May, Labour has matched the 31% once (ORB) and scored less than 31% in 10 out of 11 surveys. There has not been a single survey where Labour outperformed 31%.
Labour is polling worse now than it achieved under Ed. That is without taking Labour's historical (including 2015) tendency to underperform polls into account.
There were two surveys over the weekend - ORB and Opinium - putting Labour on 32%. Moreover if 2015 methodologies were still being used the polls would be showing a range of 30% - 34%.
We don't call you Justin Kill'Em Short Straws for nothing...
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Very responsible of the sources to blab the whole thing to the WaPo, then.
Even today, in Dealey Plaza it is aways November 22nd, 1963.
https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/864230533311713280
The real world is about choosing your friends and it's obvious which ones Corbyn chose.
Some religions are touchier than others
Note, this thread contains some of my worst ever puns.
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2017/01/15/want-to-bet-on-footage-of-that-golden-shower-appearing-on-a-porn-site-yes-wee-can/
I'm trying to remember the chronology - were the Tories cosying up to Pinochet before, after, or at the same time as they were being apologists for Apartheid?
Edit: I'll at least allow he didn't bring many voters behind his standard.
We can be sure that Corbyn would not, if he were PM.
I think he missed out the words "to me" between "over" and "in".
Smart move by Lewis.
I recall the latter was the verdict of the court.
http://www.manchester.gov.uk/downloads/download/6694/statement_of_persons_nominated_and_notice_of_poll
I used to spend a lot of time in Sandwich (Delf St)
http://www.manchester.gov.uk/download/downloads/id/24907/manchester_gorton_constituency_-_statement_of_persons_nominated_and_notice_of_poll.pdf
I'd also point out that our friends in Ireland had debt that peaked at 125-130% of GDP at the height of the Eurozone crisis and had to be bailed out by the ECB. Their debt-to-GDP is now below ours, and will likely be close to 50% by 2020.
The Eurozone's (outside Greece) big problem is not debt loadings. It's lack of growth. And low growth is largely a consequence of poor demographics and inflexible labour markets.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/dec/30/uk-mujahideen-afghanistan-soviet-invasion.
So while Jezza was chatting to the IRA, Maggie was arming and training Islamist guerrillas.
Gove
Gove on your side
Cos you got Gove
Gove
Gove on your side
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N66cGvR5yvU
Not surprisingly, we are one. Who knows Mr Cheeto face there may have been blabbing to our's and the West's detriment.
As for Paul Ryan, he might have a fire lit under his arse soon himself but his comments are, maybe but maybe not, notable.
Watch if the GOP starts stepping a yard away from Donald, watch if Democrats start talking impeachment. There is enough connections up Capitol Hill to know if something is going to come down on the White House head, even if they don't know the detail. Everyone will want to be seem to be doing the right thing....
https://twitter.com/naeborder/status/849646615149334529
I would put it that the Greek bailout, all global QE (including ours) will eventually just be written off once enough time has passed in order to normalise the sovereign debt market.
Operation False Consciousness in full swing.
Night night all.
That said, criminally insane is arbitrary....anyone who takes pleasure in killing living, breathing sentient life should not judge someone like Brady.....
I know that this is not what most PBeers want to hear but could SNP vote be hardening against the reports of a Tory surge?
And it is a great school-had a problem about 5 years ago with some bullying but dealt with and now is a great school.
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/05/15/voting-intention-regional-breakdown-apr-24-may-5/
Join the club.
Which was why hunchman was always completely bat shit crazy. There is no global government debt crisis given the creditors (the central banks) will never demand repayment.
Where is hunchman, by the way? I haven't seen him on Finchley Road looking for the global centre of lizard government for some time.
*faints*