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LePen/Macron Live on TV
http://www.france24.com/en/20170503-live-french-presidential-election-candidates-emmanuel-macron-marine-le-pen-final-debate
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Good choice, we lost to Iceland. There was a very good Storyville on the Cod War.GeoffM said:
Surprised to see Iceland winning that so farScott_P said:@RobDotHutton: After Spain and Belgium, which European country should the Tories declare war on next? YOU DECIDE!
https://twitter.com/robdothutton/status/859810134503063557
I voted Germany. It's the traditionalist in me.
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From BBC
Macron also says delinquency is becoming "intolerable" and promises police who "know the terrain" and spend more time out and about.
I wonder what the french for 'more bobbies on the beat' is.0 -
Maybe after Macron has been president of France for a few years he can come here and lead the Labour party. Like a political Wenger lol0
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Really hard not to feel sorry for Macron.0
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I noticed that Sun Myung Meeks has started referring to Leavers as cultists. As he's the leader of the PB EUnification Church, that's not an entirely surprising tactic.0
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In what way islamist sympathiser?chestnut said:
Neo-fascist...islamist sympathiser.....what a choice they are presented with on the basis of this debate.bobajobPB said:
I'm watching the football, like most people, so wouldn't know. I'd like to think the UK wouldn't elect a neo fascist on the basis of one debate, but given recent trends, you might be right.chestnut said:
If she wasn't carrying the baggage of the name of her party and her father, she would win this at a canter in Britain.bobajobPB said:
Are you predicting a Le Pen victory on Sunday Monica?MonikerDiCanio said:
Wise choice. Your boy's getting caned.foxinsoxuk said:
Footy for me...Peter_the_Punter said:
Yes, I can just see the good people of Provence mulling that one over: 'Football, debate....football, debate.....hmmmmm.'foxinsoxuk said:Monaco vs Juventus is a cracking match. A masterpiece of Italian defending and French flair.
Tis a bit of poor scheduling of the debate. There must be some audience crossover, particularly in Provence.
Tough one....non.
He's a throwback to Blair, a fifth rate Cameron.0 -
BBC has this summary
Macron:
Recruit 10,000 new police officers
Expand prisons to house an extra 15,000
Create an EU defence fund to promote joint military projects and set up a permanent European headquarters
Le Pen:
Recruit 15,000 new police officers
Create 40,000 extra prison places
Take France out of Nato's command structure. France only resumed its seat in 2009. General de Gaulle had pulled out in 1966
What's the French's issue with NATO?0 -
You could cover it by a Conservative bet in Wallasey at 12/1.Pulpstar said:
Good lord no, I have backed Rotheram there at 1-10.kle4 said:
Liverpool going Tory!Scott_P said:@MattSingh_: Rumours circulating of a poll of one or more of tomorrow's mayoral elections being imminent. Haven't been able to confirm #SuperThursday
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Sovereignty.kle4 said:What's the French's issue with NATO?
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Watch the debate.Roger said:
In what way islamist sympathiser?chestnut said:
Neo-fascist...islamist sympathiser.....what a choice they are presented with on the basis of this debate.bobajobPB said:
I'm watching the football, like most people, so wouldn't know. I'd like to think the UK wouldn't elect a neo fascist on the basis of one debate, but given recent trends, you might be right.chestnut said:
If she wasn't carrying the baggage of the name of her party and her father, she would win this at a canter in Britain.bobajobPB said:
Are you predicting a Le Pen victory on Sunday Monica?MonikerDiCanio said:
Wise choice. Your boy's getting caned.foxinsoxuk said:
Footy for me...Peter_the_Punter said:
Yes, I can just see the good people of Provence mulling that one over: 'Football, debate....football, debate.....hmmmmm.'foxinsoxuk said:Monaco vs Juventus is a cracking match. A masterpiece of Italian defending and French flair.
Tis a bit of poor scheduling of the debate. There must be some audience crossover, particularly in Provence.
Tough one....non.
He's a throwback to Blair, a fifth rate Cameron.0 -
Wait, we lost the Cod wars? That's depressing.foxinsoxuk said:
Good choice, we lost to Iceland. There was a very good Storyville on the Cod War.GeoffM said:
Surprised to see Iceland winning that so farScott_P said:@RobDotHutton: After Spain and Belgium, which European country should the Tories declare war on next? YOU DECIDE!
https://twitter.com/robdothutton/status/859810134503063557
I voted Germany. It's the traditionalist in me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0074lrg0 -
The Anglo-saxons came up with it.kle4 said:BBC has this summary
Macron:
Recruit 10,000 new police officers
Expand prisons to house an extra 15,000
Create an EU defence fund to promote joint military projects and set up a permanent European headquarters
Le Pen:
Recruit 15,000 new police officers
Create 40,000 extra prison places
Take France out of Nato's command structure. France only resumed its seat in 2009. General de Gaulle had pulled out in 1966
What's the French's issue with NATO?
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I thought national sovereignty was for chumps.williamglenn said:
Sovereignty.kle4 said:What's the French's issue with NATO?
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That they're not in charge of it.kle4 said:BBC has this summary
Macron:
Recruit 10,000 new police officers
Expand prisons to house an extra 15,000
Create an EU defence fund to promote joint military projects and set up a permanent European headquarters
Le Pen:
Recruit 15,000 new police officers
Create 40,000 extra prison places
Take France out of Nato's command structure. France only resumed its seat in 2009. General de Gaulle had pulled out in 1966
What's the French's issue with NATO?
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My 150-1 shot not looking so great after that.
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The PB righties are getting a little bit too moist tonight!Roger said:
In what way islamist sympathiser?chestnut said:
Neo-fascist...islamist sympathiser.....what a choice they are presented with on the basis of this debate.bobajobPB said:
I'm watching the football, like most people, so wouldn't know. I'd like to think the UK wouldn't elect a neo fascist on the basis of one debate, but given recent trends, you might be right.chestnut said:
If she wasn't carrying the baggage of the name of her party and her father, she would win this at a canter in Britain.bobajobPB said:
Are you predicting a Le Pen victory on Sunday Monica?MonikerDiCanio said:
Wise choice. Your boy's getting caned.foxinsoxuk said:
Footy for me...Peter_the_Punter said:
Yes, I can just see the good people of Provence mulling that one over: 'Football, debate....football, debate.....hmmmmm.'foxinsoxuk said:Monaco vs Juventus is a cracking match. A masterpiece of Italian defending and French flair.
Tis a bit of poor scheduling of the debate. There must be some audience crossover, particularly in Provence.
Tough one....non.
He's a throwback to Blair, a fifth rate Cameron.0 -
Hmm I can see Merseyside resisting the Tory tide a touch tbh. The Midlands and Wales certainly won't.another_richard said:
You could cover it by a Conservative bet in Wallasey at 12/1.Pulpstar said:
Good lord no, I have backed Rotheram there at 1-10.kle4 said:
Liverpool going Tory!Scott_P said:@MattSingh_: Rumours circulating of a poll of one or more of tomorrow's mayoral elections being imminent. Haven't been able to confirm #SuperThursday
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Are you forecasting a Le Pen victory on Sunday?MonikerDiCanio said:
A debacle for Macron. He's been found out and is in deep shit.Cyan said:Macron is continually accusing Le Pen of lying...without appreciable effect, other than looking defensive.
They are both playing the Algerian war card now. She started it. He said he wants to look to the future. But then he mentions the Vel d'Hiv round up. I think he's on very weak ground when the reference is to past (and continuing) divisions in France.0 -
De Gaulle vetoed the UK's accession to the European Community = he's a chump.kle4 said:
I thought national sovereignty was for chumps.williamglenn said:
Sovereignty.kle4 said:What's the French's issue with NATO?
Le Pen = a chump. Ca va sans dire.0 -
That would indeed be the turd upon the cesspit of European politics.bobajobPB said:
Are you forecasting a Le Pen victory on Sunday?MonikerDiCanio said:
A debacle for Macron. He's been found out and is in deep shit.Cyan said:Macron is continually accusing Le Pen of lying...without appreciable effect, other than looking defensive.
They are both playing the Algerian war card now. She started it. He said he wants to look to the future. But then he mentions the Vel d'Hiv round up. I think he's on very weak ground when the reference is to past (and continuing) divisions in France.
And with that disturbing thought and rather smelly metaphor, I am off to bed. Good night all.0 -
Macron? You're 'aving a larf. Ernesto ‘Che’ Guevara would be too right wing for the Corbynistas.HYUFD said:
Macron is far too rightwing for the current Labour Party, they have to remove the Corbynistas firstPulpstar said:Maybe after Macron has been president of France for a few years he can come here and lead the Labour party. Like a political Wenger lol
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The Storyville is very good and fair to both sides, but the British bullying of Iceland is rightly something to be ashamed of.kle4 said:
Wait, we lost the Cod wars? That's depressing.foxinsoxuk said:
Good choice, we lost to Iceland. There was a very good Storyville on the Cod War.GeoffM said:
Surprised to see Iceland winning that so farScott_P said:@RobDotHutton: After Spain and Belgium, which European country should the Tories declare war on next? YOU DECIDE!
https://twitter.com/robdothutton/status/859810134503063557
I voted Germany. It's the traditionalist in me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0074lrg0 -
Or inspiring.kle4 said:
Wait, we lost the Cod wars? That's depressing.foxinsoxuk said:
Good choice, we lost to Iceland. There was a very good Storyville on the Cod War.GeoffM said:
Surprised to see Iceland winning that so farScott_P said:@RobDotHutton: After Spain and Belgium, which European country should the Tories declare war on next? YOU DECIDE!
https://twitter.com/robdothutton/status/859810134503063557
I voted Germany. It's the traditionalist in me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0074lrg
A little island took on the big boys at odds of 1-100 and won.
Maybe a lesson there.
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The acronym is all wrong in French, it comes out as OTAN.kle4 said:BBC has this summary
Macron:
Recruit 10,000 new police officers
Expand prisons to house an extra 15,000
Create an EU defence fund to promote joint military projects and set up a permanent European headquarters
Le Pen:
Recruit 15,000 new police officers
Create 40,000 extra prison places
Take France out of Nato's command structure. France only resumed its seat in 2009. General de Gaulle had pulled out in 1966
What's the French's issue with NATO?
Also, as ironically as something exceptionally ironic, de Gaulle felt it infringed on French sovereignty.0 -
what's the betting like in France ?0
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Le Pen says she will renegotiate and let the French people decide on it not push through the backdoor like the Socialists in 2005. She also says Macron said the Euro could not survive without full Federalism in 10 years0
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@How_Upsetting: "Sturgeon accuses Tories of constitutional obsession"
"Riddoch: Win can keep up momentum for Indyref2"
Amazing. https://twitter.com/ScotNational/status/8598615150501109760 -
I presume it's a step up from our approach in the Opium Wars! (Although the Chinese government were a right arrogant and oppressive group of sods, IIRC, not that we would respond now as we did then of course)foxinsoxuk said:
The Storyville is very good and fair to both sides, but the British bullying of Iceland is rightly something to be ashamed of.kle4 said:
Wait, we lost the Cod wars? That's depressing.foxinsoxuk said:
Good choice, we lost to Iceland. There was a very good Storyville on the Cod War.GeoffM said:
Surprised to see Iceland winning that so farScott_P said:@RobDotHutton: After Spain and Belgium, which European country should the Tories declare war on next? YOU DECIDE!
https://twitter.com/robdothutton/status/859810134503063557
I voted Germany. It's the traditionalist in me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0074lrg0 -
Sturgeon accusing May of brash grandstanding or some such was amusing I thought.Scott_P said:@How_Upsetting: "Sturgeon accuses Tories of constitutional obsession"
"Riddoch: Win can keep up momentum for Indyref2"
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@bbclaurak: Sturgeon accuse PM of trying to 'poison the atmosphere for partisan reasons'Pulpstar said:Sturgeon accusing May of brash grandstanding or some such was amusing I thought.
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While Macron insinuates that Le Pen has promoted prejudice against homosexuals and Jews, Le Pen points out that Macron has worked with the UOIF (L'Union Organisation Islamiques de France), known for its links with anti-Semitism and rabid homophobiaRoger said:
In what way islamist sympathiser?chestnut said:
Neo-fascist...islamist sympathiser.....what a choice they are presented with on the basis of this debate.bobajobPB said:
I'm watching the football, like most people, so wouldn't know. I'd like to think the UK wouldn't elect a neo fascist on the basis of one debate, but given recent trends, you might be right.chestnut said:
If she wasn't carrying the baggage of the name of her party and her father, she would win this at a canter in Britain.bobajobPB said:
Are you predicting a Le Pen victory on Sunday Monica?MonikerDiCanio said:
Wise choice. Your boy's getting caned.foxinsoxuk said:
Footy for me...Peter_the_Punter said:
Yes, I can just see the good people of Provence mulling that one over: 'Football, debate....football, debate.....hmmmmm.'foxinsoxuk said:Monaco vs Juventus is a cracking match. A masterpiece of Italian defending and French flair.
Tis a bit of poor scheduling of the debate. There must be some audience crossover, particularly in Provence.
Tough one....non.
He's a throwback to Blair, a fifth rate Cameron.
This is Breitbart - so may need checking.0 -
Might well be true. But given the person saying it...Scott_P said:
@bbclaurak: Sturgeon accuse PM of trying to 'poison the atmosphere for partisan reasons'Pulpstar said:Sturgeon accusing May of brash grandstanding or some such was amusing I thought.
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Le Pen says UK 'never been in such good shape since it got back its freedom', Macron says 'UK was never in the Euro', Le Pen 'the Euro the currency of the bankers not the people'0
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Non-existentsurbiton said:what's the betting like in France ?
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pot kettle blackScott_P said:
@bbclaurak: Sturgeon accuse PM of trying to 'poison the atmosphere for partisan reasons'Pulpstar said:Sturgeon accusing May of brash grandstanding or some such was amusing I thought.
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It is but because she is a Racist she is automatically declared as "Far Right Wing" by the mediaParistonda said:Le Pen's 'teacher and pupil' comment was a low blow but considering he was actually talking to her patronisingly, like a teacher would a pupil, it was a pretty good comment, just ambiguous enough to not be seen as an overt insult.
Le Pen tackling him from the left at the moment. It could be Melenchon v Macron.
Had Melanchon beaten her in R1 I think he would have been a very serious threat to Macron.0 -
Tricky. In theory, you can't but in practice .....surbiton said:what's the betting like in France ?
The punters on Betfair here seem to be giving it to Macron, but in light trading. I expect the shrewdies are holding back for Monika's verdict.0 -
Le Pen taunts Macron with the success of the British economy after it voted Brexit and tells him Project Fear won't work any more and he'll have to find something else.0
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Yes, pretty muchPeter_the_Punter said:
Macron? You're 'aving a larf. Ernesto ‘Che’ Guevara would be too right wing for the Corbynistas.HYUFD said:
Macron is far too rightwing for the current Labour Party, they have to remove the Corbynistas firstPulpstar said:Maybe after Macron has been president of France for a few years he can come here and lead the Labour party. Like a political Wenger lol
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Thanks for the reply. I was under the impression one was due tonight.SquareRoot said:
i haven't been polled by You gov yet.. rather surprising that they haven't checked my VI /that I am still alive!!!AndyJS said:What time is the YoiuGov poll released?
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@JoeWatts_: Relations with Europe hit new low as May goes full-Trump with attack on EU http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-news-theresa-may-uk-eu-new-low-relationhips-amid-pm-attack-a7716481.html0
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Interesting contrast of body language in the French debate - Le Pen at times playful, almost flirtatious, Macron deadly serious. Leaving the content aside, I think she successfully portrays herself as non-dangerous, but also relatively lightweight.0
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Apologies for the abrupt answer earlier, Roger - I had to switch machines.Roger said:
In what way islamist sympathiser?chestnut said:
Neo-fascist...islamist sympathiser.....what a choice they are presented with on the basis of this debate.bobajobPB said:
I'm watching the football, like most people, so wouldn't know. I'd like to think the UK wouldn't elect a neo fascist on the basis of one debate, but given recent trends, you might be right.chestnut said:
If she wasn't carrying the baggage of the name of her party and her father, she would win this at a canter in Britain.bobajobPB said:
Are you predicting a Le Pen victory on Sunday Monica?MonikerDiCanio said:
Wise choice. Your boy's getting caned.foxinsoxuk said:
Footy for me...Peter_the_Punter said:
Yes, I can just see the good people of Provence mulling that one over: 'Football, debate....football, debate.....hmmmmm.'foxinsoxuk said:Monaco vs Juventus is a cracking match. A masterpiece of Italian defending and French flair.
Tis a bit of poor scheduling of the debate. There must be some audience crossover, particularly in Provence.
Tough one....non.
He's a throwback to Blair, a fifth rate Cameron.
MLP has linked him to being happy to accept the support of an Islamic group with very objectionable views regarding anti-semitism and homophobia.0 -
I do see the occasional piece out thereon 'how right wing are the FN?' and 'Is Le Pen right wing?', but it is the default label. Is it one of those 'economically left, socially right' sort of deals?RepublicanTory said:
It is but because she is a Racist she is automatically declared as "Far Right Wing" by the mediaParistonda said:Le Pen's 'teacher and pupil' comment was a low blow but considering he was actually talking to her patronisingly, like a teacher would a pupil, it was a pretty good comment, just ambiguous enough to not be seen as an overt insult.
Le Pen tackling him from the left at the moment. It could be Melenchon v Macron.0 -
Chuckle.Peter_the_Punter said:
Tricky. In theory, you can't but in practice .....surbiton said:what's the betting like in France ?
The punters on Betfair here seem to be giving it to Macron, but in light trading. I expect the shrewdies are holding back for Monika's verdict.0 -
It's not just the body language. She's on top and he's running after her. The moderators beg Macron to articulate his vision for Europe but he won't stop rolling in the mud with Le Pen's call for countries to get back their own currencies. He reacts to her. All the time.NickPalmer said:Interesting contrast of body language in the French debate - Le Pen at times playful, almost flirtatious, Macron deadly serious. Leaving the content aside, I think she successfully portrays herself as non-dangerous, but also relatively lightweight.
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Macron says farmers and savers need the Euro, France would lose competitiveness outside the Euro0
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Nah. We share a national anthem.Paristonda said:
You start small and work your way up. Liechtenstein would be a good warm-up.GeoffM said:
Surprised to see Iceland winning that so farScott_P said:@RobDotHutton: After Spain and Belgium, which European country should the Tories declare war on next? YOU DECIDE!
https://twitter.com/robdothutton/status/859810134503063557
I voted Germany. It's the traditionalist in me.0 -
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Yes. All the hypothetical match-up polls suggested she was his easiest opponent.RepublicanTory said:
It is but because she is a Racist she is automatically declared as "Far Right Wing" by the mediaParistonda said:Le Pen's 'teacher and pupil' comment was a low blow but considering he was actually talking to her patronisingly, like a teacher would a pupil, it was a pretty good comment, just ambiguous enough to not be seen as an overt insult.
Le Pen tackling him from the left at the moment. It could be Melenchon v Macron.
Had Melanchon beaten her in R1 I think he would have been a very serious threat to Macron.0 -
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Macron says many countries doing well in the Euro, Le Pen repeats 'Germany, Germany'0
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The entire RN is now smaller than the fleet we deployed in Icelandic waters in the Seventies, and that was defeated by a handful of plucky Icelandic cutters.another_richard said:
Or inspiring.kle4 said:
Wait, we lost the Cod wars? That's depressing.foxinsoxuk said:
Good choice, we lost to Iceland. There was a very good Storyville on the Cod War.GeoffM said:
Surprised to see Iceland winning that so farScott_P said:@RobDotHutton: After Spain and Belgium, which European country should the Tories declare war on next? YOU DECIDE!
https://twitter.com/robdothutton/status/859810134503063557
I voted Germany. It's the traditionalist in me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0074lrg
A little island took on the big boys at odds of 1-100 and won.
Maybe a lesson there.
The Storyville on it is well worth watching.
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I see that the Leavers for Fascism support group is out in force tonight. The palpable emotional yearning is simultaneously fascinating and horrifying.0
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I'm not suggesting such an outcome. I asked Monica. S/he has seemingly run away.ydoethur said:
That would indeed be the turd upon the cesspit of European politics.bobajobPB said:
Are you forecasting a Le Pen victory on Sunday?MonikerDiCanio said:
A debacle for Macron. He's been found out and is in deep shit.Cyan said:Macron is continually accusing Le Pen of lying...without appreciable effect, other than looking defensive.
They are both playing the Algerian war card now. She started it. He said he wants to look to the future. But then he mentions the Vel d'Hiv round up. I think he's on very weak ground when the reference is to past (and continuing) divisions in France.
And with that disturbing thought and rather smelly metaphor, I am off to bed. Good night all.0 -
I wonder how viable it is to access BF from france with a VPN?Peter_the_Punter said:
Tricky. In theory, you can't but in practice .....surbiton said:what's the betting like in France ?
The punters on Betfair here seem to be giving it to Macron, but in light trading. I expect the shrewdies are holding back for Monika's verdict.
I expect the sharps will find a way.0 -
Indeed. Sunday will be a national day of mourning for the PB Right if their girl fails.AlastairMeeks said:I see that the Leavers for Fascism support group is out in force tonight. The palpable emotional yearning is simultaneously fascinating and horrifying.
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Amazing really, this is a thread supposedly about Mrs May, our local elections are just hours away, we have a General Election in five weeks' time, yet PB tonight is being completely dominated by the French Presidential election, which is supposedly already all over bar the shouting.0
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Aren't you 'watching the football'?AlastairMeeks said:I see that the Leavers for Fascism support group is out in force tonight. The palpable emotional yearning is simultaneously fascinating and horrifying.
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It was good as I remember - it must have been over ten years ago when it was first shown at a guess.foxinsoxuk said:
The entire RN is now smaller than the fleet we deployed in Icelandic waters in the Seventies, and that was defeated by a handful of plucky Icelandic cutters.another_richard said:
Or inspiring.kle4 said:
Wait, we lost the Cod wars? That's depressing.foxinsoxuk said:
Good choice, we lost to Iceland. There was a very good Storyville on the Cod War.GeoffM said:
Surprised to see Iceland winning that so farScott_P said:@RobDotHutton: After Spain and Belgium, which European country should the Tories declare war on next? YOU DECIDE!
https://twitter.com/robdothutton/status/859810134503063557
I voted Germany. It's the traditionalist in me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0074lrg
A little island took on the big boys at odds of 1-100 and won.
Maybe a lesson there.
The Storyville on it is well worth watching.
And the RN might be smaller now than 40 years ago but I bet we've got more admirals now.
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Le Pen 'France will be led by me or Mrs Merkel', Macron 'Kohl and Adenauer built the Europe we have today'0
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"France will be led by a woman - either me or Mrs Merkel" <- will probably make headlines.0
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Why would you vote for a party led by someone who thinks homosexuality is a sin?AlastairMeeks said:
Yeah, but Tim Farron is like Ed Miliband squared, with less intellect. And "Brexit is bad", while true, is not a viable policy.kle4 said:
I should think every tiny addition to their national percentage will at least encourage them onwards, even though chances of winning many seats remains poor. Journey of a thousand miles, begins with a single step and all that.AlastairMeeks said:I'm vacillating between spoiling my ballot paper and voting Lib Dem. In all probability it will amount to the same thing in practice.
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very easy. satellite also works.Pong said:
I wonder how viable it is to access BF from france with a VPN?Peter_the_Punter said:
Tricky. In theory, you can't but in practice .....surbiton said:what's the betting like in France ?
The punters on Betfair here seem to be giving it to Macron, but in light trading. I expect the shrewdies are holding back for Monika's verdict.
I expect the sharps will find a way.0 -
I don't care about Tim Farron's religious beliefs. I care about the policies that he would put in place.Charles said:
Why would you vote for a party led by someone who thinks homosexuality is a sin?AlastairMeeks said:
Yeah, but Tim Farron is like Ed Miliband squared, with less intellect. And "Brexit is bad", while true, is not a viable policy.kle4 said:
I should think every tiny addition to their national percentage will at least encourage them onwards, even though chances of winning many seats remains poor. Journey of a thousand miles, begins with a single step and all that.AlastairMeeks said:I'm vacillating between spoiling my ballot paper and voting Lib Dem. In all probability it will amount to the same thing in practice.
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"On Syria, our priority must be the fight against terrorist jihadism" (Macron) is such a banality.0
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He doesn't.Charles said:
Why would you vote for a party led by someone who thinks homosexuality is a sin?AlastairMeeks said:
Yeah, but Tim Farron is like Ed Miliband squared, with less intellect. And "Brexit is bad", while true, is not a viable policy.kle4 said:
I should think every tiny addition to their national percentage will at least encourage them onwards, even though chances of winning many seats remains poor. Journey of a thousand miles, begins with a single step and all that.AlastairMeeks said:I'm vacillating between spoiling my ballot paper and voting Lib Dem. In all probability it will amount to the same thing in practice.
However Liberalism is supporting the rights of people who you disagree with.0 -
huw edwards looks disgusted
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Not really, some were advocating bombing the government, not the jihadis, including our government.Cyan said:"On Syria, our priority must be the fight against terrorist jihadism" (Macron) is such a banality.
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Navies, through the ages and almost by definition are things you either do properly or not at all. Ours these days are little more than trident missile carriers and gunboats for chasing down pirates and drug operators.another_richard said:
It was good as I remember - it must have been over ten years ago when it was first shown at a guess.foxinsoxuk said:
The entire RN is now smaller than the fleet we deployed in Icelandic waters in the Seventies, and that was defeated by a handful of plucky Icelandic cutters.another_richard said:
Or inspiring.kle4 said:
Wait, we lost the Cod wars? That's depressing.foxinsoxuk said:
Good choice, we lost to Iceland. There was a very good Storyville on the Cod War.GeoffM said:
Surprised to see Iceland winning that so farScott_P said:@RobDotHutton: After Spain and Belgium, which European country should the Tories declare war on next? YOU DECIDE!
https://twitter.com/robdothutton/status/859810134503063557
I voted Germany. It's the traditionalist in me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0074lrg
A little island took on the big boys at odds of 1-100 and won.
Maybe a lesson there.
The Storyville on it is well worth watching.
And the RN might be smaller now than 40 years ago but I bet we've got more admirals now.0 -
He says he doesn't. He says he's a eurosceptic. Would he say it's a sin to lie?foxinsoxuk said:
He doesn't.Charles said:
Why would you vote for a party led by someone who thinks homosexuality is a sin?AlastairMeeks said:
Yeah, but Tim Farron is like Ed Miliband squared, with less intellect. And "Brexit is bad", while true, is not a viable policy.kle4 said:
I should think every tiny addition to their national percentage will at least encourage them onwards, even though chances of winning many seats remains poor. Journey of a thousand miles, begins with a single step and all that.AlastairMeeks said:I'm vacillating between spoiling my ballot paper and voting Lib Dem. In all probability it will amount to the same thing in practice.
However Liberalism is supporting the rights of people who you disagree with.0 -
Agreed. I meant his couching it in terms of an "ism" rather than saying the enemy is Daesh and Al Qaeda and not the Syrian government.foxinsoxuk said:
Not really, some were advocating bombing the government, not the jihadis, including our government.Cyan said:"On Syria, our priority must be the fight against terrorist jihadism" (Macron) is such a banality.
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Let your yeah be yeah...initforthemoney said:
He says he doesn't. He says he's a eurosceptic. Would he say it's a sin to lie?foxinsoxuk said:
He doesn't.Charles said:
Why would you vote for a party led by someone who thinks homosexuality is a sin?AlastairMeeks said:
Yeah, but Tim Farron is like Ed Miliband squared, with less intellect. And "Brexit is bad", while true, is not a viable policy.kle4 said:
I should think every tiny addition to their national percentage will at least encourage them onwards, even though chances of winning many seats remains poor. Journey of a thousand miles, begins with a single step and all that.AlastairMeeks said:I'm vacillating between spoiling my ballot paper and voting Lib Dem. In all probability it will amount to the same thing in practice.
However Liberalism is supporting the rights of people who you disagree with.
I think Farron is honest, almost to the point of fault.0 -
Farron pointed out how far the debate has moved. He was/is on the more eurosceptic side of the Liberal Democrats in that unlike say, Paddy Ashdown or much of the Lib Dem membership he wasn't in favour of Britain marching towards ever closer union, joining the EU. He resigned as a spokesperson in protest at the lack of a referendum on the Lisbon treaty. That's pretty in keeping with the kind of Lib Dem he is - a part of the more rural independent bit of the party rather than the studenty metropolitan ranch. He's now become some sort of remain ultra merely by standing still while the Tories (relatively successfully) and Labour contort (unsuccessfully) contort themselves to do things they don't believe are good for the country in the name of the referendum result.initforthemoney said:
He says he doesn't. He says he's a eurosceptic. Would he say it's a sin to lie?foxinsoxuk said:
He doesn't.Charles said:
Why would you vote for a party led by someone who thinks homosexuality is a sin?AlastairMeeks said:
Yeah, but Tim Farron is like Ed Miliband squared, with less intellect. And "Brexit is bad", while true, is not a viable policy.kle4 said:
I should think every tiny addition to their national percentage will at least encourage them onwards, even though chances of winning many seats remains poor. Journey of a thousand miles, begins with a single step and all that.AlastairMeeks said:I'm vacillating between spoiling my ballot paper and voting Lib Dem. In all probability it will amount to the same thing in practice.
However Liberalism is supporting the rights of people who you disagree with.0
