I noticed that Sun Myung Meeks has started referring to Leavers as cultists. As he's the leader of the PB EUnification Church, that's not an entirely surprising tactic.
Monaco vs Juventus is a cracking match. A masterpiece of Italian defending and French flair.
Tis a bit of poor scheduling of the debate. There must be some audience crossover, particularly in Provence.
Yes, I can just see the good people of Provence mulling that one over: 'Football, debate....football, debate.....hmmmmm.'
Tough one....non.
Footy for me...
Wise choice. Your boy's getting caned.
Are you predicting a Le Pen victory on Sunday Monica?
If she wasn't carrying the baggage of the name of her party and her father, she would win this at a canter in Britain.
He's a throwback to Blair, a fifth rate Cameron.
I'm watching the football, like most people, so wouldn't know. I'd like to think the UK wouldn't elect a neo fascist on the basis of one debate, but given recent trends, you might be right.
Neo-fascist...islamist sympathiser.....what a choice they are presented with on the basis of this debate.
Recruit 10,000 new police officers Expand prisons to house an extra 15,000 Create an EU defence fund to promote joint military projects and set up a permanent European headquarters
Le Pen:
Recruit 15,000 new police officers Create 40,000 extra prison places Take France out of Nato's command structure. France only resumed its seat in 2009. General de Gaulle had pulled out in 1966
Monaco vs Juventus is a cracking match. A masterpiece of Italian defending and French flair.
Tis a bit of poor scheduling of the debate. There must be some audience crossover, particularly in Provence.
Yes, I can just see the good people of Provence mulling that one over: 'Football, debate....football, debate.....hmmmmm.'
Tough one....non.
Footy for me...
Wise choice. Your boy's getting caned.
Are you predicting a Le Pen victory on Sunday Monica?
If she wasn't carrying the baggage of the name of her party and her father, she would win this at a canter in Britain.
He's a throwback to Blair, a fifth rate Cameron.
I'm watching the football, like most people, so wouldn't know. I'd like to think the UK wouldn't elect a neo fascist on the basis of one debate, but given recent trends, you might be right.
Neo-fascist...islamist sympathiser.....what a choice they are presented with on the basis of this debate.
Recruit 10,000 new police officers Expand prisons to house an extra 15,000 Create an EU defence fund to promote joint military projects and set up a permanent European headquarters
Le Pen:
Recruit 15,000 new police officers Create 40,000 extra prison places Take France out of Nato's command structure. France only resumed its seat in 2009. General de Gaulle had pulled out in 1966
Recruit 10,000 new police officers Expand prisons to house an extra 15,000 Create an EU defence fund to promote joint military projects and set up a permanent European headquarters
Le Pen:
Recruit 15,000 new police officers Create 40,000 extra prison places Take France out of Nato's command structure. France only resumed its seat in 2009. General de Gaulle had pulled out in 1966
Monaco vs Juventus is a cracking match. A masterpiece of Italian defending and French flair.
Tis a bit of poor scheduling of the debate. There must be some audience crossover, particularly in Provence.
Yes, I can just see the good people of Provence mulling that one over: 'Football, debate....football, debate.....hmmmmm.'
Tough one....non.
Footy for me...
Wise choice. Your boy's getting caned.
Are you predicting a Le Pen victory on Sunday Monica?
If she wasn't carrying the baggage of the name of her party and her father, she would win this at a canter in Britain.
He's a throwback to Blair, a fifth rate Cameron.
I'm watching the football, like most people, so wouldn't know. I'd like to think the UK wouldn't elect a neo fascist on the basis of one debate, but given recent trends, you might be right.
Neo-fascist...islamist sympathiser.....what a choice they are presented with on the basis of this debate.
In what way islamist sympathiser?
The PB righties are getting a little bit too moist tonight!
Macron is continually accusing Le Pen of lying...without appreciable effect, other than looking defensive.
They are both playing the Algerian war card now. She started it. He said he wants to look to the future. But then he mentions the Vel d'Hiv round up. I think he's on very weak ground when the reference is to past (and continuing) divisions in France.
A debacle for Macron. He's been found out and is in deep shit.
Macron is continually accusing Le Pen of lying...without appreciable effect, other than looking defensive.
They are both playing the Algerian war card now. She started it. He said he wants to look to the future. But then he mentions the Vel d'Hiv round up. I think he's on very weak ground when the reference is to past (and continuing) divisions in France.
A debacle for Macron. He's been found out and is in deep shit.
Are you forecasting a Le Pen victory on Sunday?
That would indeed be the turd upon the cesspit of European politics.
And with that disturbing thought and rather smelly metaphor, I am off to bed. Good night all.
Recruit 10,000 new police officers Expand prisons to house an extra 15,000 Create an EU defence fund to promote joint military projects and set up a permanent European headquarters
Le Pen:
Recruit 15,000 new police officers Create 40,000 extra prison places Take France out of Nato's command structure. France only resumed its seat in 2009. General de Gaulle had pulled out in 1966
What's the French's issue with NATO?
The acronym is all wrong in French, it comes out as OTAN.
Also, as ironically as something exceptionally ironic, de Gaulle felt it infringed on French sovereignty.
Le Pen says she will renegotiate and let the French people decide on it not push through the backdoor like the Socialists in 2005. She also says Macron said the Euro could not survive without full Federalism in 10 years
The Storyville is very good and fair to both sides, but the British bullying of Iceland is rightly something to be ashamed of.
I presume it's a step up from our approach in the Opium Wars! (Although the Chinese government were a right arrogant and oppressive group of sods, IIRC, not that we would respond now as we did then of course)
Monaco vs Juventus is a cracking match. A masterpiece of Italian defending and French flair.
Tis a bit of poor scheduling of the debate. There must be some audience crossover, particularly in Provence.
Yes, I can just see the good people of Provence mulling that one over: 'Football, debate....football, debate.....hmmmmm.'
Tough one....non.
Footy for me...
Wise choice. Your boy's getting caned.
Are you predicting a Le Pen victory on Sunday Monica?
If she wasn't carrying the baggage of the name of her party and her father, she would win this at a canter in Britain.
He's a throwback to Blair, a fifth rate Cameron.
I'm watching the football, like most people, so wouldn't know. I'd like to think the UK wouldn't elect a neo fascist on the basis of one debate, but given recent trends, you might be right.
Neo-fascist...islamist sympathiser.....what a choice they are presented with on the basis of this debate.
In what way islamist sympathiser?
While Macron insinuates that Le Pen has promoted prejudice against homosexuals and Jews, Le Pen points out that Macron has worked with the UOIF (L'Union Organisation Islamiques de France), known for its links with anti-Semitism and rabid homophobia
Le Pen says UK 'never been in such good shape since it got back its freedom', Macron says 'UK was never in the Euro', Le Pen 'the Euro the currency of the bankers not the people'
Le Pen's 'teacher and pupil' comment was a low blow but considering he was actually talking to her patronisingly, like a teacher would a pupil, it was a pretty good comment, just ambiguous enough to not be seen as an overt insult.
Le Pen tackling him from the left at the moment. It could be Melenchon v Macron.
It is but because she is a Racist she is automatically declared as "Far Right Wing" by the media
Had Melanchon beaten her in R1 I think he would have been a very serious threat to Macron.
Le Pen taunts Macron with the success of the British economy after it voted Brexit and tells him Project Fear won't work any more and he'll have to find something else.
Interesting contrast of body language in the French debate - Le Pen at times playful, almost flirtatious, Macron deadly serious. Leaving the content aside, I think she successfully portrays herself as non-dangerous, but also relatively lightweight.
Monaco vs Juventus is a cracking match. A masterpiece of Italian defending and French flair.
Tis a bit of poor scheduling of the debate. There must be some audience crossover, particularly in Provence.
Yes, I can just see the good people of Provence mulling that one over: 'Football, debate....football, debate.....hmmmmm.'
Tough one....non.
Footy for me...
Wise choice. Your boy's getting caned.
Are you predicting a Le Pen victory on Sunday Monica?
If she wasn't carrying the baggage of the name of her party and her father, she would win this at a canter in Britain.
He's a throwback to Blair, a fifth rate Cameron.
I'm watching the football, like most people, so wouldn't know. I'd like to think the UK wouldn't elect a neo fascist on the basis of one debate, but given recent trends, you might be right.
Neo-fascist...islamist sympathiser.....what a choice they are presented with on the basis of this debate.
In what way islamist sympathiser?
Apologies for the abrupt answer earlier, Roger - I had to switch machines.
MLP has linked him to being happy to accept the support of an Islamic group with very objectionable views regarding anti-semitism and homophobia.
Le Pen's 'teacher and pupil' comment was a low blow but considering he was actually talking to her patronisingly, like a teacher would a pupil, it was a pretty good comment, just ambiguous enough to not be seen as an overt insult.
Le Pen tackling him from the left at the moment. It could be Melenchon v Macron.
It is but because she is a Racist she is automatically declared as "Far Right Wing" by the media
I do see the occasional piece out thereon 'how right wing are the FN?' and 'Is Le Pen right wing?', but it is the default label. Is it one of those 'economically left, socially right' sort of deals?
Le Pen taunts Macron with the success of the British economy after it voted Brexit and tells him Project Fear won't work any more and he'll have to find something else.
Judging by the extent of his leads, he has, and it is that he is not Le Pen.
Interesting contrast of body language in the French debate - Le Pen at times playful, almost flirtatious, Macron deadly serious. Leaving the content aside, I think she successfully portrays herself as non-dangerous, but also relatively lightweight.
It's not just the body language. She's on top and he's running after her. The moderators beg Macron to articulate his vision for Europe but he won't stop rolling in the mud with Le Pen's call for countries to get back their own currencies. He reacts to her. All the time.
Le Pen's 'teacher and pupil' comment was a low blow but considering he was actually talking to her patronisingly, like a teacher would a pupil, it was a pretty good comment, just ambiguous enough to not be seen as an overt insult.
Le Pen tackling him from the left at the moment. It could be Melenchon v Macron.
It is but because she is a Racist she is automatically declared as "Far Right Wing" by the media
Had Melanchon beaten her in R1 I think he would have been a very serious threat to Macron.
Yes. All the hypothetical match-up polls suggested she was his easiest opponent.
A little island took on the big boys at odds of 1-100 and won.
Maybe a lesson there.
The entire RN is now smaller than the fleet we deployed in Icelandic waters in the Seventies, and that was defeated by a handful of plucky Icelandic cutters.
I see that the Leavers for Fascism support group is out in force tonight. The palpable emotional yearning is simultaneously fascinating and horrifying.
Macron is continually accusing Le Pen of lying...without appreciable effect, other than looking defensive.
They are both playing the Algerian war card now. She started it. He said he wants to look to the future. But then he mentions the Vel d'Hiv round up. I think he's on very weak ground when the reference is to past (and continuing) divisions in France.
A debacle for Macron. He's been found out and is in deep shit.
Are you forecasting a Le Pen victory on Sunday?
That would indeed be the turd upon the cesspit of European politics.
And with that disturbing thought and rather smelly metaphor, I am off to bed. Good night all.
I'm not suggesting such an outcome. I asked Monica. S/he has seemingly run away.
I see that the Leavers for Fascism support group is out in force tonight. The palpable emotional yearning is simultaneously fascinating and horrifying.
Indeed. Sunday will be a national day of mourning for the PB Right if their girl fails.
Amazing really, this is a thread supposedly about Mrs May, our local elections are just hours away, we have a General Election in five weeks' time, yet PB tonight is being completely dominated by the French Presidential election, which is supposedly already all over bar the shouting.
I see that the Leavers for Fascism support group is out in force tonight. The palpable emotional yearning is simultaneously fascinating and horrifying.
A little island took on the big boys at odds of 1-100 and won.
Maybe a lesson there.
The entire RN is now smaller than the fleet we deployed in Icelandic waters in the Seventies, and that was defeated by a handful of plucky Icelandic cutters.
The Storyville on it is well worth watching.
It was good as I remember - it must have been over ten years ago when it was first shown at a guess.
And the RN might be smaller now than 40 years ago but I bet we've got more admirals now.
I'm vacillating between spoiling my ballot paper and voting Lib Dem. In all probability it will amount to the same thing in practice.
I should think every tiny addition to their national percentage will at least encourage them onwards, even though chances of winning many seats remains poor. Journey of a thousand miles, begins with a single step and all that.
Yeah, but Tim Farron is like Ed Miliband squared, with less intellect. And "Brexit is bad", while true, is not a viable policy.
Why would you vote for a party led by someone who thinks homosexuality is a sin?
I'm vacillating between spoiling my ballot paper and voting Lib Dem. In all probability it will amount to the same thing in practice.
I should think every tiny addition to their national percentage will at least encourage them onwards, even though chances of winning many seats remains poor. Journey of a thousand miles, begins with a single step and all that.
Yeah, but Tim Farron is like Ed Miliband squared, with less intellect. And "Brexit is bad", while true, is not a viable policy.
Why would you vote for a party led by someone who thinks homosexuality is a sin?
I don't care about Tim Farron's religious beliefs. I care about the policies that he would put in place.
I'm vacillating between spoiling my ballot paper and voting Lib Dem. In all probability it will amount to the same thing in practice.
I should think every tiny addition to their national percentage will at least encourage them onwards, even though chances of winning many seats remains poor. Journey of a thousand miles, begins with a single step and all that.
Yeah, but Tim Farron is like Ed Miliband squared, with less intellect. And "Brexit is bad", while true, is not a viable policy.
Why would you vote for a party led by someone who thinks homosexuality is a sin?
He doesn't.
However Liberalism is supporting the rights of people who you disagree with.
A little island took on the big boys at odds of 1-100 and won.
Maybe a lesson there.
The entire RN is now smaller than the fleet we deployed in Icelandic waters in the Seventies, and that was defeated by a handful of plucky Icelandic cutters.
The Storyville on it is well worth watching.
It was good as I remember - it must have been over ten years ago when it was first shown at a guess.
And the RN might be smaller now than 40 years ago but I bet we've got more admirals now.
Navies, through the ages and almost by definition are things you either do properly or not at all. Ours these days are little more than trident missile carriers and gunboats for chasing down pirates and drug operators.
I'm vacillating between spoiling my ballot paper and voting Lib Dem. In all probability it will amount to the same thing in practice.
I should think every tiny addition to their national percentage will at least encourage them onwards, even though chances of winning many seats remains poor. Journey of a thousand miles, begins with a single step and all that.
Yeah, but Tim Farron is like Ed Miliband squared, with less intellect. And "Brexit is bad", while true, is not a viable policy.
Why would you vote for a party led by someone who thinks homosexuality is a sin?
He doesn't.
However Liberalism is supporting the rights of people who you disagree with.
He says he doesn't. He says he's a eurosceptic. Would he say it's a sin to lie?
I'm vacillating between spoiling my ballot paper and voting Lib Dem. In all probability it will amount to the same thing in practice.
I should think every tiny addition to their national percentage will at least encourage them onwards, even though chances of winning many seats remains poor. Journey of a thousand miles, begins with a single step and all that.
Yeah, but Tim Farron is like Ed Miliband squared, with less intellect. And "Brexit is bad", while true, is not a viable policy.
Why would you vote for a party led by someone who thinks homosexuality is a sin?
He doesn't.
However Liberalism is supporting the rights of people who you disagree with.
He says he doesn't. He says he's a eurosceptic. Would he say it's a sin to lie?
Let your yeah be yeah...
I think Farron is honest, almost to the point of fault.
I'm vacillating between spoiling my ballot paper and voting Lib Dem. In all probability it will amount to the same thing in practice.
I should think every tiny addition to their national percentage will at least encourage them onwards, even though chances of winning many seats remains poor. Journey of a thousand miles, begins with a single step and all that.
Yeah, but Tim Farron is like Ed Miliband squared, with less intellect. And "Brexit is bad", while true, is not a viable policy.
Why would you vote for a party led by someone who thinks homosexuality is a sin?
He doesn't.
However Liberalism is supporting the rights of people who you disagree with.
He says he doesn't. He says he's a eurosceptic. Would he say it's a sin to lie?
Farron pointed out how far the debate has moved. He was/is on the more eurosceptic side of the Liberal Democrats in that unlike say, Paddy Ashdown or much of the Lib Dem membership he wasn't in favour of Britain marching towards ever closer union, joining the EU. He resigned as a spokesperson in protest at the lack of a referendum on the Lisbon treaty. That's pretty in keeping with the kind of Lib Dem he is - a part of the more rural independent bit of the party rather than the studenty metropolitan ranch. He's now become some sort of remain ultra merely by standing still while the Tories (relatively successfully) and Labour contort (unsuccessfully) contort themselves to do things they don't believe are good for the country in the name of the referendum result.
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http://www.france24.com/en/20170503-live-french-presidential-election-candidates-emmanuel-macron-marine-le-pen-final-debate
(with English translation)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0074lrg
Macron also says delinquency is becoming "intolerable" and promises police who "know the terrain" and spend more time out and about.
I wonder what the french for 'more bobbies on the beat' is.
Macron:
Recruit 10,000 new police officers
Expand prisons to house an extra 15,000
Create an EU defence fund to promote joint military projects and set up a permanent European headquarters
Le Pen:
Recruit 15,000 new police officers
Create 40,000 extra prison places
Take France out of Nato's command structure. France only resumed its seat in 2009. General de Gaulle had pulled out in 1966
What's the French's issue with NATO?
Le Pen = a chump. Ca va sans dire.
And with that disturbing thought and rather smelly metaphor, I am off to bed. Good night all.
A little island took on the big boys at odds of 1-100 and won.
Maybe a lesson there.
Also, as ironically as something exceptionally ironic, de Gaulle felt it infringed on French sovereignty.
"Riddoch: Win can keep up momentum for Indyref2"
Amazing. https://twitter.com/ScotNational/status/859861515050110976
The May-Macron sympathy vote will help them to edge a narrow win .... probably.
This is Breitbart - so may need checking.
Had Melanchon beaten her in R1 I think he would have been a very serious threat to Macron.
The punters on Betfair here seem to be giving it to Macron, but in light trading. I expect the shrewdies are holding back for Monika's verdict.
MLP has linked him to being happy to accept the support of an Islamic group with very objectionable views regarding anti-semitism and homophobia.
The Storyville on it is well worth watching.
I expect the sharps will find a way.
And the RN might be smaller now than 40 years ago but I bet we've got more admirals now.
Good line
However Liberalism is supporting the rights of people who you disagree with.
I think Farron is honest, almost to the point of fault.