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Theresa May accuses EU of meddling in UK general election https://t.co/x1MgS5b3TD
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@paulwaugh. We used to joke one day May wd end a No.10 spch with 'I have to tell you now that no such undertaking has been received..'
Used to. #mayday
LordA a fan of May?
https://twitter.com/LordAshcroft/status/859809876691869696
But while progressives have talked, those on the other side of the fence, who back Brexit, have walked. Without prompting, many a Ukip supporter seems to have decided that the best way of realising their vision of Brexit is to back May’s Conservatives. As a result, stopping the prime minister in her tracks has got that bit harder.
https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/may/03/regressive-alliance-stopping-tories-harder-ukip-brexit-conservatives
What if the UK have indeed signed commitments of whatever billions ? Are you saying UK should renege ?
However, since the referendum, I've come to terms with the fact that this isn't Britain's destiny and that Europe (the continent) needs to make the best of it.
I don't like the scornful and spiteful rhetoric coming from certain people within the EU establishment. I also don't like the rhetoric coming from people from the 'liberal elite' that our nation is nothing and that we should just bend over and take our punishment. European countries should be our allies, and we should be theirs. We should reach a mutually beneficial deal and be done with it.
I'm a member of the Lib Dems, have been a Labour member in the past and have never ever voted Conservative, but May's pragmatism as someone who (allegedly) voted to remain to try and make the best of the situation is very endearing. I think it will win her a lot of votes. She isn't talking our nation down, unlike some people.
I'm not sure if protocol permits me to speculate... but Theresa May’s ‘don’t mess with the Empire’ speech followed a half hour audience with Her Majesty the Queen.
@mattholehouse: Lancaster House speech. "Every stray word and every hyped up media report is going to make it harder." https://twitter.com/mattholehouse/status/859811108533784576/photo/1
THEY ARE INTERFERING IN OUR ELECTION !!!!!!!
Why didn't anyone see the signs?!
So we are prepared to separate families ! Like North Korea.
This is the Conservative Party logo:
EDIT: The word regressive does not appear in the article body at all.
Not sure whether it was wise of May to speak in the way she did, but I do agree with Mr. (Tim) T on the previous thread about the importance of not being bullied.
And the final point in the article cannot be disagreed with. May has clearly driven the agenda.
Mr. D, quite. It is a silly term.
Mr. Gallowgate, cheers for that thoughtful post.
Corbyn does make things rather simpler. If Labour were led by a leader who wasn't off his rocker, it'd be a more complicated political picture. But then, May wouldn't've called an election.
Mr. Glenn, has she?
I know opinions are divided on what she said, but has anyone who was previously pro-May criticised it? Has anyone who was previously anti-May condemned it?
Edited extra bit: anti-May praised* it?
Nothing I have seen since has changed my opinion that we are both better off with the UK outside the EU (although I understand the problems that gives Ireland)...
@faisalislam: Corbyn re May saying he is the risk: "The risk to this country is a Govt that sets up megaphone diplomacy ahead of serious negotiations"
I'll have been a member of the Tory Party for twenty years this Saturday.
If things go well tonight, I'll be helping to try and elect a Leaver as Tory MP in Don Valley over the next few weeks.
That's the worst case for both side. A 'sensible' amount, which the EU should be seeking, would be an agreement by us to pay a proportion of our existing net costs for a transitional period. Amount and timing to be negotiated, but off the top of my head something like 50% in the first year after Brexit, dropping over three years to zero, might be reasonable. In addition we would of course contribute to any specific programmes we sign back into, such as Europol. In return for this, we'd expect a comprehensive trade deal.
That is the basis of a possible deal, although obviously there's room to haggle over the percentages and duration. The EU need to decide what they want, that or €0bn and massive trade disruption. I don't know which they'll go for, but, realistically, that's what they can have.
Every so often there is a report of EU immigrants being held in slave conditions - a few months ago there was a police raid on a hand wash garage a few miles away from me. But I have never heard of any european government expressing any concerns about their people at all.
We would be in a strong position not to pay on any spend after 2020. But legally I am not sure how we can not pay until 2020 unless we want to sour relations with the EU countries.
Remember one thing: if the UK does not pay [ we do not know the actual figure, at the moment it is all hot air ], the other 27 will have to pick up the tab. No one will be happy.
If our strategy is divide and rule, then the chances of Latvia siding with us, after they have been told they would have to pick up €3bn, say, of the spend, is most unlikely.
I hope I have made it as clear as possible.
1. She's a second rate politician
2. She's prepared to put short term electoral advantage (if that's what it is) at the expense of a good deal.
If it's 2. then it confirms 1.
Corbyn for all his faults is looking more honourable by the minute.
Eton Rifles, Eton Rifles!
And the deal will be along Richard's lines above. They'll call it cherry picking, we'll call it compromise.
I cannot read May very well. But hard brexiters can now look forward to their beloved Empire II.
2% of UKIP voters going to the LibDems. 41% of UKIP voters going to the Tories. That - coupled with extremely high retention rates of 2015 Tories - is why the LibDems are making no headway in this election.
Selling LibDem seats looks to be the no-brainer in this election.
Time for those who had given up on Corbyn to think again.
I think she might have inadvertently made a contest of what was previously a forgone conclusion.
Oh.....
@davidschneider: Those of a different opinion are "extremists", Brussels is trying to rig the election. She's that close to saying Make Britain Great Again.
TMay is the Clinton to Corbyn's Trump to that respect.
Meanwhile, the Republican attitude to the notion of universal healthcare is a wonder to behold.
That doesn't however mean we can't get (try to get) something for it....
In all seriousness, particularly around election time, partisan idiots rule the roost and even sensible politicians go a bit batty and pander to the worst of each of their sides. The extent of May's rhetoric was unnecessary, but the thinking behind it is as old as elections, and at the moment the best hope we can have is people will calm the fuck down in a few months.
But the principle facts haven't changed. I have a vote in the locals tomorrow, and since two parties haven't bothered even leafleting me, I'm not voting for them, leaving the LDs and Labour, and no Labour candidate will get my vote so long as Corbyn is who the party tells me should be Prime Minister, that he embodies where they want the party to go. Officially, that is what the party tells me.
Both statements cannot be correct.
It’s no great surprise, then, that Juncker, dogmatist in chief, is now leaking stories that paint himself as simply a reasonable guy, trying to be practical in the face of outrageous demands from London. He appears to be trying to reassure a German audience that he isn’t putting the ideology of Eurofederalism ahead of the real life interests of the EU’s residents – even though this has always been the EU project’s nature, as the unemployed 23.5 per cent of Greeks can attest.
https://inews.co.uk/opinion/junckers-leak-wasnt-us-part-internal-eu-battle/