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Thanks.Scott_P said:
Lib DemCasino_Royale said:Who are you voting for, if not Tory?
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Saved deposits !foxinsoxuk said:
Or Lamb.Pulpstar said:
Swinson will hopefully take charge after the election tbh.AlastairMeeks said:
Yeah, but Tim Farron is like Ed Miliband squared, with less intellect. And "Brexit is bad", while true, is not a viable policy.kle4 said:
I should think every tiny addition to their national percentage will at least encourage them onwards, even though chances of winning many seats remains poor. Journey of a thousand miles, begins with a single step and all that.AlastairMeeks said:I'm vacillating between spoiling my ballot paper and voting Lib Dem. In all probability it will amount to the same thing in practice.
But voting LD in this election does have some modest benefit even if unlikely to win your constituency.
Green voters shifted mainstream parties agenda in the nineties, and so did the kippers in the noughties. Politicians go where the votes are, albeit grudingly, slowly and eventually.
Vote for sane centrism, vote for positive internationalism, vote LD.0 -
Where are you standing?foxinsoxuk said:
Or Lamb.Pulpstar said:
Swinson will hopefully take charge after the election tbh.AlastairMeeks said:
Yeah, but Tim Farron is like Ed Miliband squared, with less intellect. And "Brexit is bad", while true, is not a viable policy.kle4 said:
I should think every tiny addition to their national percentage will at least encourage them onwards, even though chances of winning many seats remains poor. Journey of a thousand miles, begins with a single step and all that.AlastairMeeks said:I'm vacillating between spoiling my ballot paper and voting Lib Dem. In all probability it will amount to the same thing in practice.
But voting LD in this election does have some modest benefit even if unlikely to win your constituency.
Green voters shifted mainstream parties agenda in the nineties, and so did the kippers in the noughties. Politicians go where the votes are, albeit grudingly, slowly and eventually.
Vote for sane centrism, vote for positive internationalism, vote LD.
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One of the BBC's EU correspondents earlier said that nobody in Europe was bothered by May's speech; they know that she has an election to win, and they know that a bit of EU bashing will help her. I heard Barnier say in his speech that the EU approves of the election as it wants to deal with a UK government with a decent majority, to avoid parliamentary hold ups outside the discussions.
Is there any chance that Juncker's leak, and May's speech, were planned at the dinner?0 -
It has the Prince of Wales Theatre, which must be a profound embarrassment to HRH. Also Chase Leisure Centre.Beverley_C said:
Cannock has architecture??? We are not talking about Hilton Park Services on the M6 are we?ydoethur said:
Cannock's not ridiculously far south of Manchester.Beverley_C said:
Maybe you live farther south than me. Manchester is cold.........ydoethur said:
Surreal. I'm wearing shorts and the heating's off. I'm wondering what's wrong with me now!Beverley_C said:Cyclefree said:I do wish the weather would warm up. I am currently sitting in front of a warm fire with scarves round my neck. In May.....
I also have the fire on and a warm cardie.
If this is the sort of weather we are getting post-Brexit then it is simply not good enough and I shall complain. We are paying €100bn for this weather! It is not acceptable!!!
Those pesky Europeans hogging all the good weather
The architecture isn't as good though.
Otherwise umm, no, not really.0 -
surbiton said:
Sorry ! I confused with another Beverly who is an LD member.Beverley_C said:
No. I have never joined a political party although I have voted for quite a number of them. I am a very disloyal voter.surbiton said:
Are you not a member of LDs ?Beverley_C said:
I have been saying something along these lines for a while now. Corbyn, to me, is completely unsuitable for the job he holds never mind that of PM and the LDs have no chance of doing anything significant. Farron seems to be a total lightweight and largely ignoredmidwinter said:
Precisely we're shafted. Can't vote Corbyn obviously, Farron is pointless.eek said:
My very first comment in this thread was how exactly does your remainer supporting Tory change their vote to... This shores up the UKIP to Tory vote and may even get a fair few former kippers out to the polling station voting blue - traditional tories have no where else to go....Big_G_NorthWales said:Theresa May has caused a storm from those who are Europhiles on here.
However, is any remainer willing to declare whether this has helped or hindered her election chances.
I will not vote Tory or Labour. If the LDs had a substantial leader I would vote for them, but Farron? For the first time in my adult life, I feel disenfranchised. If there was a "None of the above" option I would be putting my X in it.midwinter said:I'll vote May but purely for negative reasons.
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She could end up winning by >20 points.NickPalmer said:
I think that correctly diagnoses the strategy. But it's a bit too transparent even in our Trumpian age. I think she'll get a short-term bump but she risks depressing the vote of the more sober Tories, who may simply stay at home.HYUFD said:Almost all the Tory gains since 2015 have come from UKIP, in electoral terms playing tough with the EU until the elections are over has few risks for May, especially as Tory Remainers are likely to stick with nurse for fear of Corbyn
I wouldn't bet on it, but she's got a chance. The ICM unadjusted is turning out +21.0 -
Yeah, he wants to be careful about being too assertive though. It might feel good, and he might walk off feeling smug, but when he sees les resultats he might not feel so good.Paristonda said:
Very different styles of debate though - reminds me of Clegg and Farage in the 2014 EU debates. Both accomplished debaters but in very different ways.Peter_the_Punter said:
I have the impression that they enjoy debating with each other. They're pretty well matched. It wouldn't be difficult to imagine them going off for a friendly chat and a drink afterwards.Pulpstar said:
I don't dare watch, sort of hoping for a poor, no vote will change damp squib of a debate tbh.Paristonda said:Le Pen smiles too much when talking, it's a very thin cold smile, sharklike. It makes her look smug.
It's not always a good idea to appear the smartest kid in the class, even if you are.0 -
We'd be safer with a man who has backed terrorism against a woman who has said she might under unusual circumstances use nuclear weapons? It's a point of view I suppose.NickPalmer said:
Yes - and with TM on record as saying she'd be willing to launch a nuclear first strike, he may well be the safer option as well as the saner one.kle4 said:
I'm thinking a small bump for Labour too, as some more waverers rally against this insane PM, and maybe a few LD switchers who at least briefly consider Corbyn the lesser of two evils.NickPalmer said:
I think that correctly diagnoses the strategy. But it's a bit too transparent even in our Trumpian age. I think she'll get a short-term bump but she risks depressing the vote of the more sober Tories, who may simply stay at home.HYUFD said:Almost all the Tory gains since 2015 have come from UKIP, in electoral terms playing tough with the EU until the elections are over has few risks for May, especially as Tory Remainers are likely to stick with nurse for fear of Corbyn
Nick, you really need to move on. You made an appalling mistake and elected an utterly loathsome cretin who is about to finally destroy Labour. Well, we all mistakes. But trying to justify it simply makes it worse.0 -
@MsHelicat: Thursday's i: EU trying to rig election, warns May #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers https://twitter.com/MsHelicat/status/859857989012008960/photo/10
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This pensions talk is crucial. They are the largest and importantly most on-the-fence part of the french electorate in this election;
https://alexandreafonso.me/2017/04/30/the-social-basis-of-marine-le-pen-and-emmanuel-macron/0 -
Sounds pretty sensible, though I doubt they would outright plan such a back and forth - if we were able to coordinate so amicably, we wouldn't be leaving in the first place. More likely May and negotiators are simply not as prissy as UK commenters are about the comments, even if they disapprove.JonnyJimmy said:One of the BBC's EU correspondents earlier said that nobody in Europe was bothered by May's speech; they know that she has an election to win...
Is there any chance that Juncker's leak, and May's speech, were planned at the dinner?
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Le Pen is a master in pissing off her opponents. A useful talent. Macron is getting very agitated, it brings out his 'incredulous elitist' side. But he's not failing miserably either so I don't see this being a game changer.0
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Nick is a secular Vicar of Bray.ydoethur said:
We'd be safer with a man who has backed terrorism against a woman who has said she might under unusual circumstances use nuclear weapons? It's a point of view I suppose.NickPalmer said:
Yes - and with TM on record as saying she'd be willing to launch a nuclear first strike, he may well be the safer option as well as the saner one.kle4 said:
I'm thinking a small bump for Labour too, as some more waverers rally against this insane PM, and maybe a few LD switchers who at least briefly consider Corbyn the lesser of two evils.NickPalmer said:
I think that correctly diagnoses the strategy. But it's a bit too transparent even in our Trumpian age. I think she'll get a short-term bump but she risks depressing the vote of the more sober Tories, who may simply stay at home.HYUFD said:Almost all the Tory gains since 2015 have come from UKIP, in electoral terms playing tough with the EU until the elections are over has few risks for May, especially as Tory Remainers are likely to stick with nurse for fear of Corbyn
Nick, you really need to move on. You made an appalling mistake and elected an utterly loathsome cretin who is about to finally destroy Labour. Well, we all mistakes. But trying to justify it simply makes it worse.0 -
Polytechnics were safety nets for people who couldn't get into University - at my school we were advised to include one on our UCCA forms. Nowadays they are counted as real universities where uneducated kids listen to lectures by left-wing professors for the 2 days a week when they have courses for their degrees - and then those here on PB are surprised that the young are so much for remain/labour.ydoethur said:
Surely the point is only a smallish minority of over-60s went to university at all, and a large proportion will not have O-levels or A-levels, rather CSEs. Moreover, I think I am right in saying most universities down to the 1980s prioritised the liberal arts rather than STEM subjects? A lot of the tech (such as it was) and engineering would have been through polys, surely?Arthur_Penny said:
Not sure about 'poorly educated' - the over 60s went to proper universities and got degrees in STEM subjects after doing O levels and A levels - the brats under 40 get GCSEs, study watered down subjects at micky-mouse colleges to get degrees not worth the parchment they're written on and wouldn't know the difference between absorb and adsorb.Sean_F said:
It must hurt to lose to people who are less wise, wealthy, and well-born than you are.Barnesian said:
The Leavers voted Leave before the analysis was done that showed that, on average, they were older, poorer and less educated than the Remainers. The analysis didn't cause them to vote Leave. They didn't know just how poor, old and poorly educated they were at the time of the vote. Or perhaps they did and it pissed them off.Big_G_NorthWales said:
That is the type of arrogant comment that has caused the leave voteBarnesian said:
It won't have helped her with the Remainers as they are educated enough to see through all this play-acting. The Leavers on the other hand ....Big_G_NorthWales said:Theresa May has caused a storm from those who are Europhiles on here.
However, is any remainer willing to declare whether this has helped or hindered her election chances.
EDIT: To be clear - I'm not blaming them. They can't help being old, poor and less educated.
If you don't believe me - ask any recruiter - or University lecturer.0 -
Monaco vs Juventus is a cracking match. A masterpiece of Italian defending and French flair.
Tis a bit of poor scheduling of the debate. There must be some audience crossover, particularly in Provence.0 -
Shut up about b****y "projects", jeez.0
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You know a week ago I would have agreed with you but after the last week I think Nick was correct. Corbyn is what is says on the tin. He's straight and by his own lights principled. May by contrast is showing herself to be the worst sort of opportunist. Self regarding and Iago like in the damage she'll inflict for her own endsydoethur said:
We'd be safer with a man who has backed terrorism against a woman who has said she might under unusual circumstances use nuclear weapons? It's a point of view I suppose.NickPalmer said:
Yes - and with TM on record as saying she'd be willing to launch a nuclear first strike, he may well be the safer option as well as the saner one.kle4 said:
I'm thinking a small bump for Labour too, as some more waverers rally against this insane PM, and maybe a few LD switchers who at least briefly consider Corbyn the lesser of two evils.NickPalmer said:
I think that correctly diagnoses the strategy. But it's a bit too transparent even in our Trumpian age. I think she'll get a short-term bump but she risks depressing the vote of the more sober Tories, who may simply stay at home.HYUFD said:Almost all the Tory gains since 2015 have come from UKIP, in electoral terms playing tough with the EU until the elections are over has few risks for May, especially as Tory Remainers are likely to stick with nurse for fear of Corbyn
Nick, you really need to move on. You made an appalling mistake and elected an utterly loathsome cretin who is about to finally destroy Labour. Well, we all mistakes. But trying to justify it simply makes it worse.0 -
Surely "influence" not "rig".Scott_P said:@MsHelicat: Thursday's i: EU trying to rig election, warns May #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers https://twitter.com/MsHelicat/status/859857989012008960/photo/1
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Polys had a seperate application process to UCCA as I recall.Arthur_Penny said:
Polytechnics were safety nets for people who couldn't get into University - at my school we were advised to include one on our UCCA forms. Nowadays they are counted as real universities where uneducated kids listen to lectures by left-wing professors for the 2 days a week when they have courses for their degrees - and then those here on PB are surprised that the young are so much for remain/labour.ydoethur said:
Surely the point is only a smallish minority of over-60s went to university at all, and a large proportion will not have O-levels or A-levels, rather CSEs. Moreover, I think I am right in saying most universities down to the 1980s prioritised the liberal arts rather than STEM subjects? A lot of the tech (such as it was) and engineering would have been through polys, surely?Arthur_Penny said:
Not sure about 'poorly educated' - the over 60s went to proper universities and got degrees in STEM subjects after doing O levels and A levels - the brats under 40 get GCSEs, study watered down subjects at micky-mouse colleges to get degrees not worth the parchment they're written on and wouldn't know the difference between absorb and adsorb.Sean_F said:
It must hurt to lose to people who are less wise, wealthy, and well-born than you are.Barnesian said:
The Leavers voted Leave before the analysis was done that showed that, on average, they were older, poorer and less educated than the Remainers. The analysis didn't cause them to vote Leave. They didn't know just how poor, old and poorly educated they were at the time of the vote. Or perhaps they did and it pissed them off.Big_G_NorthWales said:
That is the type of arrogant comment that has caused the leave voteBarnesian said:
It won't have helped her with the Remainers as they are educated enough to see through all this play-acting. The Leavers on the other hand ....Big_G_NorthWales said:Theresa May has caused a storm from those who are Europhiles on here.
However, is any remainer willing to declare whether this has helped or hindered her election chances.
EDIT: To be clear - I'm not blaming them. They can't help being old, poor and less educated.
If you don't believe me - ask any recruiter - or University lecturer.
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Yes, I can just see the good people of Provence mulling that one over: 'Football, debate....football, debate.....hmmmmm.'foxinsoxuk said:Monaco vs Juventus is a cracking match. A masterpiece of Italian defending and French flair.
Tis a bit of poor scheduling of the debate. There must be some audience crossover, particularly in Provence.
Tough one....non.0 -
I sometimes feel I missed out on these rabid lefty academics that seems so common - I don't think I can recall an incident which revealed the political affiliation of any of my lecturers.Arthur_Penny said:
Polytechnics were safety nets for people who couldn't get into University - at my school we were advised to include one on our UCCA forms. Nowadays they are counted as real universities where uneducated kids listen to lectures by left-wing professors for the 2 days a week when they have courses for their degrees - and then those here on PB are surprised that the young are so much for remain/labour.ydoethur said:
Surely the point is only a smallish minority of over-60s went to university at all, and a large proportion will not have O-levels or A-levels, rather CSEs. Moreover, I think I am right in saying most universities down to the 1980s prioritised the liberal arts rather than STEM subjects? A lot of the tech (such as it was) and engineering would have been through polys, surely?Arthur_Penny said:
Not sure about 'poorly educated' - the over 60s went to proper universities and got degrees in STEM subjects after doing O levels and A levels - the brats under 40 get GCSEs, study watered down subjects at micky-mouse colleges to get degrees not worth the parchment they're written on and wouldn't know the difference between absorb and adsorb.Sean_F said:
It must hurt to lose to people who are less wise, wealthy, and well-born than you are.Barnesian said:
The Leavers voted Leave before the analysis was done that showed that, on average, they were older, poorer and less educated than the Remainers. The analysis didn't cause them to vote Leave. They didn't know just how poor, old and poorly educated they were at the time of the vote. Or perhaps they did and it pissed them off.Big_G_NorthWales said:
That is the type of arrogant comment that has caused the leave voteBarnesian said:
It won't have helped her with the Remainers as they are educated enough to see through all this play-acting. The Leavers on the other hand ....Big_G_NorthWales said:Theresa May has caused a storm from those who are Europhiles on here.
However, is any remainer willing to declare whether this has helped or hindered her election chances.
EDIT: To be clear - I'm not blaming them. They can't help being old, poor and less educated.
If you don't believe me - ask any recruiter - or University lecturer.0 -
Macron very rattled again. Poor on security, poor on employment. It's only taxes where he seems comfortable.0
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Just praying that Macron doesn't do an "Annie Power"...0
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@YvetteCooperMP: Theresa May's Attack On The EU Is Not A Stable Or Strong Thing For A Prime Minister To Do. My piece for @HuffPostUK http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/164075800
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Footy for me...Peter_the_Punter said:
Yes, I can just see the good people of Provence mulling that one over: 'Football, debate....football, debate.....hmmmmm.'foxinsoxuk said:Monaco vs Juventus is a cracking match. A masterpiece of Italian defending and French flair.
Tis a bit of poor scheduling of the debate. There must be some audience crossover, particularly in Provence.
Tough one....non.0 -
Making her claim seem more extreme makes it easier to criticise.perdix said:
Surely "influence" not "rig".Scott_P said:@MsHelicat: Thursday's i: EU trying to rig election, warns May #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers https://twitter.com/MsHelicat/status/859857989012008960/photo/1
Not necessary as it was overblown anywhere, but expect all the papers to have no perspective on this. That one is positively restrained compared to what I expect is coming.0 -
Up to the mid-forties .... well 44.99% to be precise, so as to deliver my bet!kle4 said:Realistically, what's the high mark Le Pen should be aiming for in round 2? Into the low 40s?
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Is Cooper on manoeuvres ?Scott_P said:@YvetteCooperMP: Theresa May's Attack On The EU Is Not A Stable Or Strong Thing For A Prime Minister To Do. My piece for @HuffPostUK http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/16407580
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My application was in 1979 - things may have changed before or after, but I remember the discussion with the Headmaster and Careers teacher and at no time did they mention a separate application (it might I suppose have been a separate section of the application form - but since Newcastle University was my safety net, I don't remember).foxinsoxuk said:
Polys had a seperate application process to UCCA as I recall.Arthur_Penny said:
Polytechnics were safety nets for people who couldn't get into University - at my school we were advised to include one on our UCCA forms. Nowadays they are counted as real universities where uneducated kids listen to lectures by left-wing professors for the 2 days a week when they have courses for their degrees - and then those here on PB are surprised that the young are so much for remain/labour.ydoethur said:
Surely the point is only a smallish minority of over-60s went to university at all, and a large proportion will not have O-levels or A-levels, rather CSEs. Moreover, I think I am right in saying most universities down to the 1980s prioritised the liberal arts rather than STEM subjects? A lot of the tech (such as it was) and engineering would have been through polys, surely?Arthur_Penny said:
snipSean_F said:
It must hurt to lose to people who are less wise, wealthy, and well-born than you are.Barnesian said:
The Leavers voted Leave before the analysis was done that showed that, on average, they were older, poorer and less educated than the Remainers. The analysis didn't cause them to vote Leave. They didn't know just how poor, old and poorly educated they were at the time of the vote. Or perhaps they did and it pissed them off.Big_G_NorthWales said:
That is the type of arrogant comment that has caused the leave voteBarnesian said:
It won't have helped her with the Remainers as they are educated enough to see through all this play-acting. The Leavers on the other hand ....Big_G_NorthWales said:Theresa May has caused a storm from those who are Europhiles on here.
However, is any remainer willing to declare whether this has helped or hindered her election chances.
EDIT: To be clear - I'm not blaming them. They can't help being old, poor and less educated.
If you don't believe me - ask any recruiter - or University lecturer.0 -
Jezza in charge must surely be what the establishment fears the most.Roger said:
You know a week ago I would have agreed with you but after the last week I think Nick was correct. Corbyn is what is says on the tin. He's straight and by his own lights principled. May by contrast is showing herself to be the worst sort of opportunist. Self regarding and Iago like in the damage she'll inflict for her own endsydoethur said:
We'd be safer with a man who has backed terrorism against a woman who has said she might under unusual circumstances use nuclear weapons? It's a point of view I suppose.NickPalmer said:
Yes - and with TM on record as saying she'd be willing to launch a nuclear first strike, he may well be the safer option as well as the saner one.kle4 said:
I'm thinking a small bump for Labour too, as some more waverers rally against this insane PM, and maybe a few LD switchers who at least briefly consider Corbyn the lesser of two evils.NickPalmer said:
I think that correctly diagnoses the strategy. But it's a bit too transparent even in our Trumpian age. I think she'll get a short-term bump but she risks depressing the vote of the more sober Tories, who may simply stay at home.HYUFD said:Almost all the Tory gains since 2015 have come from UKIP, in electoral terms playing tough with the EU until the elections are over has few risks for May, especially as Tory Remainers are likely to stick with nurse for fear of Corbyn
Nick, you really need to move on. You made an appalling mistake and elected an utterly loathsome cretin who is about to finally destroy Labour. Well, we all mistakes. But trying to justify it simply makes it worse.0 -
Wise choice. Your boy's getting caned.foxinsoxuk said:
Footy for me...Peter_the_Punter said:
Yes, I can just see the good people of Provence mulling that one over: 'Football, debate....football, debate.....hmmmmm.'foxinsoxuk said:Monaco vs Juventus is a cracking match. A masterpiece of Italian defending and French flair.
Tis a bit of poor scheduling of the debate. There must be some audience crossover, particularly in Provence.
Tough one....non.0 -
Pcas I believefoxinsoxuk said:
Polys had a seperate application process to UCCA as I recall.Arthur_Penny said:
Polytechnics were safety nets for people who couldn't get into University - at my school we were advised to include one on our UCCA forms. Nowadays they are counted as real universities where uneducated kids listen to lectures by left-wing professors for the 2 days a week when they have courses for their degrees - and then those here on PB are surprised that the young are so much for remain/labour.ydoethur said:
Surely the point is only a smallish minority of over-60s went to university at all, and a large proportion will not have O-levels or A-levels, rather CSEs. Moreover, I think I am right in saying most universities down to the 1980s prioritised the liberal arts rather than STEM subjects? A lot of the tech (such as it was) and engineering would have been through polys, surely?Arthur_Penny said:
Not sure about 'poorly educated' - the over 60s went to proper universities and got degrees in STEM subjects after doing O levels and A levels - the brats under 40 get GCSEs, study watered down subjects at micky-mouse colleges to get degrees not worth the parchment they're written on and wouldn't know the difference between absorb and adsorb.Sean_F said:
It must hurt to lose to people who are less wise, wealthy, and well-born than you are.Barnesian said:
The Leavers voted Leave before the analysis was done that showed that, on average, they were older, poorer and less educated than the Remainers. The analysis didn't cause them to vote Leave. They didn't know just how poor, old and poorly educated they were at the time of the vote. Or perhaps they did and it pissed them off.Big_G_NorthWales said:
That is the type of arrogant comment that has caused the leave voteBarnesian said:
It won't have helped her with the Remainers as they are educated enough to see through all this play-acting. The Leavers on the other hand ....Big_G_NorthWales said:Theresa May has caused a storm from those who are Europhiles on here.
However, is any remainer willing to declare whether this has helped or hindered her election chances.
EDIT: To be clear - I'm not blaming them. They can't help being old, poor and less educated.
If you don't believe me - ask any recruiter - or University lecturer.0 -
There seems to be a big problem with schedulers putting election debates on at the same time as big football matches. I seem to recall a similar thing happening here in 2015.0
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Well he is on Breitbart - hoping for some neutral opinions here.MonikerDiCanio said:
Wise choice. Your boy's getting caned.foxinsoxuk said:
Footy for me...Peter_the_Punter said:
Yes, I can just see the good people of Provence mulling that one over: 'Football, debate....football, debate.....hmmmmm.'foxinsoxuk said:Monaco vs Juventus is a cracking match. A masterpiece of Italian defending and French flair.
Tis a bit of poor scheduling of the debate. There must be some audience crossover, particularly in Provence.
Tough one....non.0 -
The eu-sual suspects:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/03/the-eu-sual-suspects-who-might-the-pm-think-is-meddling-theresa-may?
Though I think Barnier has played a pretty straight bat.....0 -
For the first time in a decade I am unsure if I will vote tomorrow and for who. Naturally Tory but would like to go back to lib dems. No lib dem leaflet and they are non existent here. Good Tory leaflet which completely ignores brexit and tm. She is pretty toxic up here. In a quandary.0
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Nah, I am on Juve to win the CL. I love the dark arts of Italian defending and who couldn't support them against Real Madrid?MonikerDiCanio said:
Wise choice. Your boy's getting caned.foxinsoxuk said:
Footy for me...Peter_the_Punter said:
Yes, I can just see the good people of Provence mulling that one over: 'Football, debate....football, debate.....hmmmmm.'foxinsoxuk said:Monaco vs Juventus is a cracking match. A masterpiece of Italian defending and French flair.
Tis a bit of poor scheduling of the debate. There must be some audience crossover, particularly in Provence.
Tough one....non.0 -
Looked it up - 1986 - 1992 after my time https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polytechnics_Central_Admissions_Systemmidwinter said:
Pcas I believefoxinsoxuk said:
Polys had a seperate application process to UCCA as I recall.Arthur_Penny said:
Polytechnics were safety nets for people who couldn't get into University - at my school we were advised to include one on our UCCA forms. Nowadays they are counted as real universities where uneducated kids listen to lectures by left-wing professors for the 2 days a week when they have courses for their degrees - and then those here on PB are surprised that the young are so much for remain/labour.ydoethur said:
Surely the point is only a smallish minority of over-60s went to university at all, and a large proportion will not have O-levels or A-levels, rather CSEs. Moreover, I think I am right in saying most universities down to the 1980s prioritised the liberal arts rather than STEM subjects? A lot of the tech (such as it was) and engineering would have been through polys, surely?Arthur_Penny said:
Not sure about 'poorly educated' - the over 60s went to proper universities and got degrees in STEM subjects after doing O levels and A levels - the brats under 40 get GCSEs, study watered down subjects at micky-mouse colleges to get degrees not worth the parchment they're written on and wouldn't know the difference between absorb and adsorb.Sean_F said:
It must hurt to lose to people who are less wise, wealthy, and well-born than you are.Barnesian said:
The Leavers voted Leave before the analysis was done that showed that, on average, they were older, poorer and less educated than the Remainers. The analysis didn't cause them to vote Leave. They didn't know just how poor, old and poorly educated they were at the time of the vote. Or perhaps they did and it pissed them off.Big_G_NorthWales said:
That is the type of arrogant comment that has caused the leave voteBarnesian said:
It won't have helped her with the Remainers as they are educated enough to see through all this play-acting. The Leavers on the other hand ....Big_G_NorthWales said:Theresa May has caused a storm from those who are Europhiles on here.
However, is any remainer willing to declare whether this has helped or hindered her election chances.
EDIT: To be clear - I'm not blaming them. They can't help being old, poor and less educated.
If you don't believe me - ask any recruiter - or University lecturer.0 -
If such a thing as 'the establishment' exists, it would fear it for a good reason. May could be bad but it would be within understandable ranges, Corbyn goes well beyond it. Trump, only with less charisma (and being personally more pleasant and polite, as well as consistent)foxinsoxuk said:
Jezza in charge must surely be what the establishment fears the most.Roger said:
You know a week ago I would have agreed with you but after the last week I think Nick was correct. Corbyn is what is says on the tin. He's straight and by his own lights principled. May by contrast is showing herself to be the worst sort of opportunist. Self regarding and Iago like in the damage she'll inflict for her own endsydoethur said:
We'd be safer with a man who has backed terrorism against a woman who has said she might under unusual circumstances use nuclear weapons? It's a point of view I suppose.NickPalmer said:
Yes - and with TM on record as saying she'd be willing to launch a nuclear first strike, he may well be the safer option as well as the saner one.kle4 said:
I'm thinking a small bump for Labour too, as some more waverers rally against this insane PM, and maybe a few LD switchers who at least briefly consider Corbyn the lesser of two evils.NickPalmer said:
I think that correctly diagnoses the strategy. But it's a bit too transparent even in our Trumpian age. I think she'll get a short-term bump but she risks depressing the vote of the more sober Tories, who may simply stay at home.HYUFD said:Almost all the Tory gains since 2015 have come from UKIP, in electoral terms playing tough with the EU until the elections are over has few risks for May, especially as Tory Remainers are likely to stick with nurse for fear of Corbyn
Nick, you really need to move on. You made an appalling mistake and elected an utterly loathsome cretin who is about to finally destroy Labour. Well, we all mistakes. But trying to justify it simply makes it worse.0 -
It's a headline 'influence' is three times longerperdix said:
Surely "influence" not "rig".Scott_P said:@MsHelicat: Thursday's i: EU trying to rig election, warns May #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers https://twitter.com/MsHelicat/status/859857989012008960/photo/1
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You can safely vote Tory in the locals to stuff Nicola. The general is more trickyhamiltonace said:For the first time in a decade I am unsure if I will vote tomorrow and for who. Naturally Tory but would like to go back to lib dems. No lib dem leaflet and they are non existent here. Good Tory leaflet which completely ignores brexit and tm. She is pretty toxic up here. In a quandary.
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Macron is getting absolutely caned. He wouldn't survive this in Britain. She's Corbynising him.0
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Tough situation. I feel in a national campaign I can, even in the absence of a leaflet (and thus effort) justifiably judge things on the national picture as the most relevant issue, but for locals I feel like they need to explain why they are best in the specific area a lot more. But if the other options are tough, it could be awkward.hamiltonace said:For the first time in a decade I am unsure if I will vote tomorrow and for who. Naturally Tory but would like to go back to lib dems. No lib dem leaflet and they are non existent here. Good Tory leaflet which completely ignores brexit and tm. She is pretty toxic up here. In a quandary.
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I do. Not during my undergraduate course but in my postgraduate course some lecturers were very political; but the fact that there was a strike and pickets that year by lecturers was a background that encouraged them to reveal their politics perhaps more than normal.kle4 said:I sometimes feel I missed out on these rabid lefty academics that seems so common - I don't think I can recall an incident which revealed the political affiliation of any of my lecturers.
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And Jez his lawful King shall be...until the times do alter!Ishmael_Z said:
Nick is a secular Vicar of Bray.ydoethur said:
We'd be safer with a man who has backed terrorism against a woman who has said she might under unusual circumstances use nuclear weapons? It's a point of view I suppose.NickPalmer said:
Yes - and with TM on record as saying she'd be willing to launch a nuclear first strike, he may well be the safer option as well as the saner one.kle4 said:
I'm thinking a small bump for Labour too, as some more waverers rally against this insane PM, and maybe a few LD switchers who at least briefly consider Corbyn the lesser of two evils.NickPalmer said:
I think that correctly diagnoses the strategy. But it's a bit too transparent even in our Trumpian age. I think she'll get a short-term bump but she risks depressing the vote of the more sober Tories, who may simply stay at home.HYUFD said:Almost all the Tory gains since 2015 have come from UKIP, in electoral terms playing tough with the EU until the elections are over has few risks for May, especially as Tory Remainers are likely to stick with nurse for fear of Corbyn
Nick, you really need to move on. You made an appalling mistake and elected an utterly loathsome cretin who is about to finally destroy Labour. Well, we all mistakes. But trying to justify it simply makes it worse.0 -
Are you predicting a Le Pen victory on Sunday Monica?MonikerDiCanio said:
Wise choice. Your boy's getting caned.foxinsoxuk said:
Footy for me...Peter_the_Punter said:
Yes, I can just see the good people of Provence mulling that one over: 'Football, debate....football, debate.....hmmmmm.'foxinsoxuk said:Monaco vs Juventus is a cracking match. A masterpiece of Italian defending and French flair.
Tis a bit of poor scheduling of the debate. There must be some audience crossover, particularly in Provence.
Tough one....non.0 -
La Signora's winning.foxinsoxuk said:
Nah, I am on Juve to win the CL. I love the dark arts of Italian defending and who couldn't support them against Real Madrid?MonikerDiCanio said:
Wise choice. Your boy's getting caned.foxinsoxuk said:
Footy for me...Peter_the_Punter said:
Yes, I can just see the good people of Provence mulling that one over: 'Football, debate....football, debate.....hmmmmm.'foxinsoxuk said:Monaco vs Juventus is a cracking match. A masterpiece of Italian defending and French flair.
Tis a bit of poor scheduling of the debate. There must be some audience crossover, particularly in Provence.
Tough one....non.0 -
The UCCA and Poly applications were separate. I applied to both Universities and Polys. Had embarrassing interview at Central London Poly, when asked I admitted that I had applied for University. The tutor, then said don't worry I gave the same advice to my daughter.0
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I'm not sure what to think about the recent spats with the EU. I do think May went a bit too far today. But then, it was a low blow to leak the "living in a different galaxy" stuff. I suspect this is all brinkmanship before the negotiations start, but it does show that they will be bitter and all the mood music that everyone just wants an amicable split seems to be on the wane.
I voted remain in the referendum, but somewhat reluctantly. I felt, on balance, that remain was the right choice. But I have always been deeply concerned by the EUs lack of accountability and its seeming disregard for nation state democracy. Whilst I would be a keener supporter of a more accountable, democratic EU, I do feel there is very little chance of that coming about due to the entrenched position of those who wield power in Brussels.
I'm one of those people who was initially disappointed by the result, but who feels that it's now important to move on and make the best of it. I also think there needs to be some element of a clean break - a soft Brexit appears to me to be such an unattractive halfway house that you might as well remain in the club.
I guess what I'm trying to say is I'm concerned, but open-minded. It remains to be seen how well the Tories will handle Brexit negotiations - it's been a mixed bag so far. But I genuinely can't see any realistic alternative at the moment, so they've definitely got my vote this time. May does appear at least to be taking the pragmatic approach that I think is probably needed.0 -
Polys were not in UCCA prior to that. I did my UCCA form in '82.Arthur_Penny said:
Looked it up - 1986 - 1992 after my time https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polytechnics_Central_Admissions_Systemmidwinter said:
Pcas I believefoxinsoxuk said:
Polys had a seperate application process to UCCA as I recall.Arthur_Penny said:
Polytechnics were safety nets for people who couldn't get into University - at my school we were advised to include one on our UCCA forms. Nowadays they are counted as real universities where uneducated kids listen to lectures by left-wing professors for the 2 days a week when they have courses for their degrees - and then those here on PB are surprised that the young are so much for remain/labour.ydoethur said:
Surely the point is only a smallish minority of over-60s went to university at all, and a large proportion will not have O-levels or A-levels, rather CSEs. Moreover, I think I am right in saying most universities down to the 1980s prioritised the liberal arts rather than STEM subjects? A lot of the tech (such as it was) and engineering would have been through polys, surely?Arthur_Penny said:
Not sure about 'poorly educated' - the over 60s went to proper universities and got degrees in STEM subjects after doing O levels and A levels - the brats under 40 get GCSEs, study watered down subjects at micky-mouse colleges to get degrees not worth the parchment they're written on and wouldn't know the difference between absorb and adsorb.Sean_F said:
It must hurt to lose to people who are less wise, wealthy, and well-born than you are.Barnesian said:
The Leavers voted LeaveBig_G_NorthWales said:
That is the type of arrogant comment that has caused the leave voteBarnesian said:
It won't have helped her with the Remainers as they are educated enough to see through all this play-acting. The Leavers on the other hand ....Big_G_NorthWales said:Theresa May has caused a storm from those who are Europhiles on here.
However, is any remainer willing to declare whether this has helped or hindered her election chances.
EDIT: To be clear - I'm not blaming them. They can't help being old, poor and less educated.
If you don't believe me - ask any recruiter - or University lecturer.
UCCA stood for Universities Central Council on Admissions as I recall, and Polys were not Universities, though some have become quite good universities since.0 -
@RobDotHutton: After Spain and Belgium, which European country should the Tories declare war on next? YOU DECIDE!
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It's also what not the Establishment fears most.foxinsoxuk said:
Jezza in charge must surely be what the establishment fears the most.Roger said:
You know a week ago I would have agreed with you but after the last week I think Nick was correct. Corbyn is what is says on the tin. He's straight and by his own lights principled. May by contrast is showing herself to be the worst sort of opportunist. Self regarding and Iago like in the damage she'll inflict for her own endsydoethur said:
We'd be safer with a man who has backed terrorism against a woman who has said she might under unusual circumstances use nuclear weapons? It's a point of view I suppose.NickPalmer said:
Yes - and with TM on record as saying she'd be willing to launch a nuclear first strike, he may well be the safer option as well as the saner one.kle4 said:
I'm thinking a small bump for Labour too, as some more waverers rally against this insane PM, and maybe a few LD switchers who at least briefly consider Corbyn the lesser of two evils.NickPalmer said:
I think that correctly diagnoses the strategy. But it's a bit too transparent even in our Trumpian age. I think she'll get a short-term bump but she risks depressing the vote of the more sober Tories, who may simply stay at home.HYUFD said:Almost all the Tory gains since 2015 have come from UKIP, in electoral terms playing tough with the EU until the elections are over has few risks for May, especially as Tory Remainers are likely to stick with nurse for fear of Corbyn
Nick, you really need to move on. You made an appalling mistake and elected an utterly loathsome cretin who is about to finally destroy Labour. Well, we all mistakes. But trying to justify it simply makes it worse.0 -
Considering May has spoken after days of reporting initiated by Juncker and followed up by Barnier and others ... I doubt anyone would think that it was a fight started by us.NickPalmer said:
And that the fight wasn't started by us.Peter_the_Punter said:
Yes, I'm very much of that persuasion myself, Yokel, but for the small qualification that one has to believe it's something worth fighting for.Y0kel said:I'm not sure some people, perhaps because they just refuse to get their head around it, get what May is aiming at here.
You could say it's swivel eyed racist, ignorant, or my favourite, the pat on the head pitying 'misled' people who voted Leave but Ive said it before and its worth saying again. There is an innate British trait that we neither like nor yield when people back us against the wall.
The standard British reaction is 'yeah? Come on then, do your worst. We'll still be standing'
That isn't just a Brexit-mind, its a British trait.
I've always taken a mild view of May - calm manner uited to difficult times, pity about her policies. But she's starting to sound alarmingly egomaniacal, in a very un-British sort of way.0 -
Oh the stereotype is so prevalent, and left leaningness known to be the case, that I don't doubt it happens, but I don't recall a lick of it. There was a lecturers strike one year, but I didn't really pay attention to it, which might have revealed more.Philip_Thompson said:
I do. Not during my undergraduate course but in my postgraduate course some lecturers were very political; but the fact that there was a strike and pickets that year by lecturers was a background that encouraged them to reveal their politics perhaps more than normal.kle4 said:I sometimes feel I missed out on these rabid lefty academics that seems so common - I don't think I can recall an incident which revealed the political affiliation of any of my lecturers.
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If she wasn't carrying the baggage of the name of her party and her father, she would win this at a canter in Britain.bobajobPB said:
Are you predicting a Le Pen victory on Sunday Monica?MonikerDiCanio said:
Wise choice. Your boy's getting caned.foxinsoxuk said:
Footy for me...Peter_the_Punter said:
Yes, I can just see the good people of Provence mulling that one over: 'Football, debate....football, debate.....hmmmmm.'foxinsoxuk said:Monaco vs Juventus is a cracking match. A masterpiece of Italian defending and French flair.
Tis a bit of poor scheduling of the debate. There must be some audience crossover, particularly in Provence.
Tough one....non.
He's a throwback to Blair, a fifth rate Cameron.0 -
PCAS. They merged in 1993.foxinsoxuk said:
Polys had a seperate application process to UCCA as I recall.Arthur_Penny said:
Polytechnics were safety nets for people who couldn't get into University - at my school we were advised to include one on our UCCA forms. Nowadays they are counted as real universities where uneducated kids listen to lectures by left-wing professors for the 2 days a week when they have courses for their degrees - and then those here on PB are surprised that the young are so much for remain/labour.ydoethur said:
Surely the point is only a smallish minority of over-60s went to university at all, and a large proportion will not have O-levels or A-levels, rather CSEs. Moreover, I think I am right in saying most universities down to the 1980s prioritised the liberal arts rather than STEM subjects? A lot of the tech (such as it was) and engineering would have been through polys, surely?Arthur_Penny said:
Not sure about 'poorly educated' - the over 60s went to proper universities and got degrees in STEM subjects after doing O levels and A levels - the brats under 40 get GCSEs, study watered down subjects at micky-mouse colleges to get degrees not worth the parchment they're written on and wouldn't know the difference between absorb and adsorb.Sean_F said:
It must hurt to lose to people who are less wise, wealthy, and well-born than you are.Barnesian said:
The Leavers voted Leave before the analysis was done that showed that, on average, they were older, poorer and less educated than the Remainers. The analysis didn't cause them to vote Leave. They didn't know just how poor, old and poorly educated they were at the time of the vote. Or perhaps they did and it pissed them off.Big_G_NorthWales said:
That is the type of arrogant comment that has caused the leave voteBarnesian said:
It won't have helped her with the Remainers as they are educated enough to see through all this play-acting. The Leavers on the other hand ....Big_G_NorthWales said:Theresa May has caused a storm from those who are Europhiles on here.
However, is any remainer willing to declare whether this has helped or hindered her election chances.
EDIT: To be clear - I'm not blaming them. They can't help being old, poor and less educated.
If you don't believe me - ask any recruiter - or University lecturer.0 -
@MattSingh_: Rumours circulating of a poll of one or more of tomorrow's mayoral elections being imminent. Haven't been able to confirm #SuperThursday0
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So basically what happens when a neophyte politician comes up against an experienced one?chestnut said:Macron is getting absolutely caned. He wouldn't survive this in Britain. She's Corbynising him.
Didn't he threaten to walk out if his safe space was invaded?
https://twitter.com/BFMTV/status/859402583580049408
"I like the Franglais - le punching-ball"0 -
Nuke Berlin till it glows.Scott_P said:@RobDotHutton: After Spain and Belgium, which European country should the Tories declare war on next? YOU DECIDE!
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Bloody hell Macron is poor,how the hell has he let Le pen be the defender of the Jews/homosexuality.0
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The economics lectures I had at business school over twenty years ago from a young Evan Davis were the most rabidly anti-EU polemics I have ever encountered. But it didn't rub off on me, and it seems since to have rubbed at least a little off him.Philip_Thompson said:
I do. Not during my undergraduate course but in my postgraduate course some lecturers were very political; but the fact that there was a strike and pickets that year by lecturers was a background that encouraged them to reveal their politics perhaps more than normal.kle4 said:I sometimes feel I missed out on these rabid lefty academics that seems so common - I don't think I can recall an incident which revealed the political affiliation of any of my lecturers.
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After mine as well. However I would say that for some applied science courses, Polys were better than a lot of UnisArthur_Penny said:
Looked it up - 1986 - 1992 after my time https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polytechnics_Central_Admissions_Systemmidwinter said:
Pcas I believefoxinsoxuk said:
Polys had a seperate application process to UCCA as I recall.Arthur_Penny said:
Polytechnics were safety nets for people who couldn't get into University - at my school we were advised to include one on our UCCA forms. Nowadays they are counted as real universities where uneducated kids listen to lectures by left-wing professors for the 2 days a week when they have courses for their degrees - and then those here on PB are surprised that the young are so much for remain/labour.ydoethur said:
Surely the point is only a smallish minority of over-60s went to university at all, and a large proportion will not have O-levels or A-levels, rather CSEs. Moreover, I think I am right in saying most universities down to the 1980s prioritised the liberal arts rather than STEM subjects? A lot of the tech (such as it was) and engineering would have been through polys, surely?Arthur_Penny said:
Not sure about 'poorly educated' - the over 60s went to proper universities and got degrees in STEM subjects after doing O levels and A levels - the brats under 40 get GCSEs, study watered down subjects at micky-mouse colleges to get degrees not worth the parchment they're written on and wouldn't know the difference between absorb and adsorb.Sean_F said:
It must hurt to lose to people who are less wise, wealthy, and well-born than you are.Barnesian said:Big_G_NorthWales said:
That is the type of arrogant comment that has caused the leave voteBarnesian said:
It won't have helped her with the Remainers as they are educated enough to see through all this play-acting. The Leavers on the other hand ....Big_G_NorthWales said:Theresa May has caused a storm from those who are Europhiles on here.
However, is any remainer willing to declare whether this has helped or hindered her election chances.
EDIT: To be clear - I'm not blaming them. They can't help being old, poor and less educated.
If you don't believe me - ask any recruiter - or University lecturer.0 -
They are both basically telling the other one to shut up at this point. The tone of the debate has actually been worse than that of Trump/Clinton. At the end of one of those debates, the candidates managed to say something nice about each other. I would be interested to see them ask the same question after this one.0
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Yeah, he's better sticking to economics.chestnut said:Macron is getting absolutely caned. He wouldn't survive this in Britain. She's Corbynising him.
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Well he obviously supports jews as much as Corbyn - left-wing anti-semitism comes out in more than one country - and that jibe abbout supporting an anti-homosexual, anti semitic organisation hit home..Tykejohnno said:Bloody hell Macron is poor,how the hell has he let Le pen be the defender of the Jews/homosexuality.
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West Midlands, surely. That's THE mayoral election of tommorow.Scott_P said:@MattSingh_: Rumours circulating of a poll of one or more of tomorrow's mayoral elections being imminent. Haven't been able to confirm #SuperThursday
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I like the cut of your jib.Sean_F said:
Nuke Berlin till it glows.Scott_P said:@RobDotHutton: After Spain and Belgium, which European country should the Tories declare war on next? YOU DECIDE!
https://twitter.com/robdothutton/status/859810134503063557
"Robot" and "doesn't talk to public" failed yesterday, "mad warmonger" failing today. Pitiful.0 -
Is this what the Republic has come to, presidential candidates using english loan words?!Arthur_Penny said:
"I like the Franglais - le punching-ball"
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I'm watching the football, like most people, so wouldn't know. I'd like to think the UK wouldn't elect a neo fascist on the basis of one debate, but given recent trends, you might be right.chestnut said:
If she wasn't carrying the baggage of the name of her party and her father, she would win this at a canter in Britain.bobajobPB said:
Are you predicting a Le Pen victory on Sunday Monica?MonikerDiCanio said:
Wise choice. Your boy's getting caned.foxinsoxuk said:
Footy for me...Peter_the_Punter said:
Yes, I can just see the good people of Provence mulling that one over: 'Football, debate....football, debate.....hmmmmm.'foxinsoxuk said:Monaco vs Juventus is a cracking match. A masterpiece of Italian defending and French flair.
Tis a bit of poor scheduling of the debate. There must be some audience crossover, particularly in Provence.
Tough one....non.
He's a throwback to Blair, a fifth rate Cameron.0 -
If she wasn't carrying the name of her party and her father she likely wouldn't even be in the race at all.chestnut said:
If she wasn't carrying the baggage of the name of her party and her father, she would win this at a canter in Britain.bobajobPB said:
Are you predicting a Le Pen victory on Sunday Monica?MonikerDiCanio said:
Wise choice. Your boy's getting caned.foxinsoxuk said:
Footy for me...Peter_the_Punter said:
Yes, I can just see the good people of Provence mulling that one over: 'Football, debate....football, debate.....hmmmmm.'foxinsoxuk said:Monaco vs Juventus is a cracking match. A masterpiece of Italian defending and French flair.
Tis a bit of poor scheduling of the debate. There must be some audience crossover, particularly in Provence.
Tough one....non.
He's a throwback to Blair, a fifth rate Cameron.0 -
Surprised to see Iceland winning that so farScott_P said:@RobDotHutton: After Spain and Belgium, which European country should the Tories declare war on next? YOU DECIDE!
https://twitter.com/robdothutton/status/859810134503063557
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Liverpool going Tory!Scott_P said:@MattSingh_: Rumours circulating of a poll of one or more of tomorrow's mayoral elections being imminent. Haven't been able to confirm #SuperThursday
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Macron is continually accusing Le Pen of lying...without appreciable effect, other than looking defensive.
They are both playing the Algerian war card now. She started it. He said he wants to look to the future. But then he mentions the Vel d'Hiv round up. I think he's on very weak ground when the reference is to past (and continuing) divisions in France.0 -
I refused to vote - it didn't give me the choice of Moldova. So small and unnoticed, what are they up to, I don't trust 'em.GeoffM said:
Surprised to see Iceland winning that so farScott_P said:@RobDotHutton: After Spain and Belgium, which European country should the Tories declare war on next? YOU DECIDE!
https://twitter.com/robdothutton/status/859810134503063557
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I'm not convinced by your reasoning. In 1992 there were around 90,000 degrees awarded by full universities, compared with 110,000 awarded by polys, which specifically existed to promote technical education especially in engineering. Even if we assume a third of all university candidates failed or dropped out - and I know that the failure rate was higher then than it is now, but that seems very high - and all poly candidates got qualifications, the numbers are still roughly equal. So that suggests they were a bit more than just a safety net for people lacking the intellectual heft for universities (like say Corbyn) even if as you say, and which appears to be disputed, they had the same application process.Arthur_Penny said:Polytechnics were safety nets for people who couldn't get into University - at my school we were advised to include one on our UCCA forms. Nowadays they are counted as real universities where uneducated kids listen to lectures by left-wing professors for the 2 days a week when they have courses for their degrees - and then those here on PB are surprised that the young are so much for remain/labour.
Your comment on left-wing lecturers is also I would suggest wrong. You will find huge numbers of left-wingers in the red bricks and Oxbridge, and you will find plenty of right wingers in the former polys. Oxford Brookes, which until recent cuts had a history faculty that actually ranked above that of its more famous neighbour, has a head of department who considered Cameron a dangerous liberal. You might also be surprised to learn that more contact time is often required in the ex-polys for degree courses, although admittedly the students are on average less intelligent and may need it more.
You may find this of interest:
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Good lord no, I have backed Rotheram there at 1-10.kle4 said:
Liverpool going Tory!Scott_P said:@MattSingh_: Rumours circulating of a poll of one or more of tomorrow's mayoral elections being imminent. Haven't been able to confirm #SuperThursday
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Im just watching them having an argument about who was responsible for Vichy France.. pretty astonishing stuff.Cyan said:Macron is continually accusing Le Pen of lying...without appreciable effect, other than looking defensive.
They are both playing the Algerian war card now. She started it. He said he wants to look to the future. But then he mentions the Vel d'Hiv round up. I think he's on very weak ground when the reference is to past (and continuing) divisions in France.0 -
We charge Eurostar £10,000 for every passenger without papers who gets on one of their trains. That will stop the flow.Pulpstar said:
No. UK Border control is useless, they'll disperse.midwinter said:
Could that mean that Dave was right (again) about shanty towns i deepest Kent?FF43 said:
I don't think tearing up the Calais agreement is a threat. The French are totally serious about passing the problem into us.Baskerville said:
Such as Macron threatening to tear up the Calais agreement, or Merkel claiming the UK has 'illusions', you mean?foxinsoxuk said:
A little bit of Jingoism never did anyone any harm, or did it?Richard_Nabavi said:Try as I might, I'm struggling to see what the downside* of Theresa May's rather vigorous rhetoric is supposed to be. Are people seriously suggesting that the EU27 are such snowflakes that a rebuttal of their own 'Brexit must be a failure' and 'on another galaxy' lines will trigger a reaction which means they slink off and don't do a deal?
* Of course, I can see the downside for the opposition parties.
I expect PB Leavers to be just as sympathetic to bellicose posturing during the French assembly elections, the German elections and the Spring '18 Italian elections.
Brexit by timetable...
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I think your money is pretty safe.Pulpstar said:
Good lord no, I have backed Rotheram there at 1-10.kle4 said:
Liverpool going Tory!Scott_P said:@MattSingh_: Rumours circulating of a poll of one or more of tomorrow's mayoral elections being imminent. Haven't been able to confirm #SuperThursday
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Maybe Burnham in trouble?Pulpstar said:
Good lord no, I have backed Rotheram there at 1-10.kle4 said:
Liverpool going Tory!Scott_P said:@MattSingh_: Rumours circulating of a poll of one or more of tomorrow's mayoral elections being imminent. Haven't been able to confirm #SuperThursday
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Polys were aimed at more technical subjects. Leicester Poly used to do a lot of textile related degrees, and is still strong in design and fashion as De Montfort University. It has expanded and broadened though.Blue_rog said:
After mine as well. However I would say that for some applied science courses, Polys were better than a lot of UnisArthur_Penny said:
Looked it up - 1986 - 1992 after my time https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polytechnics_Central_Admissions_Systemmidwinter said:
Pcas I believefoxinsoxuk said:
Polys had a seperate application process to UCCA as I recall.Arthur_Penny said:
Polytechnics were .ydoethur said:
Surely the point is only a smallish minority of over-60s went to university at all, and a large proportion will not have O-levels or A-levels, rather CSEs. Moreover, I think I am right in saying most universities down to the 1980s prioritised the liberal arts rather than STEM subjects? A lot of the tech (such as it was) and engineering would have been through polys, surely?Arthur_Penny said:
Not sure about 'poorly educated' - the over 60s went to proper universities and got degrees in STEM subjects after doing O levels and A levels - the brats under 40 get GCSEs, study watered down subjects at micky-mouse colleges to get degrees not worth the parchment they're written on and wouldn't know the difference between absorb and adsorb.Sean_F said:
It must hurt to lose to people who are less wise, wealthy, and well-born than you are.Barnesian said:Big_G_NorthWales said:
That is the type of arrogant comment that has caused the leave voteBarnesian said:
It won't have helped her with the Remainers as they are educated enough to see through all this play-acting. The Leavers on the other hand ....Big_G_NorthWales said:Theresa May has caused a storm from those who are Europhiles on here.
However, is any remainer willing to declare whether this has helped or hindered her election chances.
EDIT: To be clear - I'm not blaming them. They can't help being old, poor and less educated.
If you don't believe me - ask any recruiter - or University lecturer.
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You start small and work your way up. Liechtenstein would be a good warm-up.GeoffM said:
Surprised to see Iceland winning that so farScott_P said:@RobDotHutton: After Spain and Belgium, which European country should the Tories declare war on next? YOU DECIDE!
https://twitter.com/robdothutton/status/859810134503063557
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A debacle for Macron. He's been found out and is in deep shit.Cyan said:Macron is continually accusing Le Pen of lying...without appreciable effect, other than looking defensive.
They are both playing the Algerian war card now. She started it. He said he wants to look to the future. But then he mentions the Vel d'Hiv round up. I think he's on very weak ground when the reference is to past (and continuing) divisions in France.0 -
Neo-fascist...islamist sympathiser.....what a choice they are presented with on the basis of this debate.bobajobPB said:
I'm watching the football, like most people, so wouldn't know. I'd like to think the UK wouldn't elect a neo fascist on the basis of one debate, but given recent trends, you might be right.chestnut said:
If she wasn't carrying the baggage of the name of her party and her father, she would win this at a canter in Britain.bobajobPB said:
Are you predicting a Le Pen victory on Sunday Monica?MonikerDiCanio said:
Wise choice. Your boy's getting caned.foxinsoxuk said:
Footy for me...Peter_the_Punter said:
Yes, I can just see the good people of Provence mulling that one over: 'Football, debate....football, debate.....hmmmmm.'foxinsoxuk said:Monaco vs Juventus is a cracking match. A masterpiece of Italian defending and French flair.
Tis a bit of poor scheduling of the debate. There must be some audience crossover, particularly in Provence.
Tough one....non.
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In the same way that you cant help being a grade A Pr!ck ??Barnesian said:
The Leavers voted Leave before the analysis was done that showed that, on average, they were older, poorer and less educated than the Remainers. The analysis didn't cause them to vote Leave. They didn't know just how poor, old and poorly educated they were at the time of the vote. Or perhaps they did and it pissed them off.Big_G_NorthWales said:
That is the type of arrogant comment that has caused the leave voteBarnesian said:
It won't have helped her with the Remainers as they are educated enough to see through all this play-acting. The Leavers on the other hand ....Big_G_NorthWales said:Theresa May has caused a storm from those who are Europhiles on here.
However, is any remainer willing to declare whether this has helped or hindered her election chances.
EDIT: To be clear - I'm not blaming them. They can't help being old, poor and less educated.0 -
People are picking fights they think we might actually win. Unlike our PM.kle4 said:
I refused to vote - it didn't give me the choice of Moldova. So small and unnoticed, what are they up to, I don't trust 'em.GeoffM said:
Surprised to see Iceland winning that so farScott_P said:@RobDotHutton: After Spain and Belgium, which European country should the Tories declare war on next? YOU DECIDE!
https://twitter.com/robdothutton/status/859810134503063557
I voted Germany. It's the traditionalist in me.0 -
Wasn't there discussion about some (Sky ?) poll earlier suggesting up to 10 Conservatives gains in the West Midlands ?Pulpstar said:
West Midlands, surely. That's THE mayoral election of tommorow.Scott_P said:@MattSingh_: Rumours circulating of a poll of one or more of tomorrow's mayoral elections being imminent. Haven't been able to confirm #SuperThursday
This might be it..
Or perhaps not.
Though if there is a Mayoral poll they've left it late.0 -
My God Macron talking about an extra 10000 police in France.. I hope he hasn't been talking to Dianne0
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i haven't been polled by You gov yet.. rather surprising that they haven't checked my VI /that I am still alive!!!AndyJS said:What time is the YoiuGov poll released?
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Er no. Don't worry!Pulpstar said:
Good lord no, I have backed Rotheram there at 1-10.kle4 said:
Liverpool going Tory!Scott_P said:@MattSingh_: Rumours circulating of a poll of one or more of tomorrow's mayoral elections being imminent. Haven't been able to confirm #SuperThursday
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Extremely unlikely but would be hilarious to see him lose having stood down from Leigh already.timmo said:
Maybe Burnham in trouble?Pulpstar said:
Good lord no, I have backed Rotheram there at 1-10.kle4 said:
Liverpool going Tory!Scott_P said:@MattSingh_: Rumours circulating of a poll of one or more of tomorrow's mayoral elections being imminent. Haven't been able to confirm #SuperThursday
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Hiring 10,000 police seems to be an international plan in elections.0
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Mine was the last year of split forms.Blue_rog said:
After mine as well. However I would say that for some applied science courses, Polys were better than a lot of UnisArthur_Penny said:
Looked it up - 1986 - 1992 after my time https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polytechnics_Central_Admissions_Systemmidwinter said:
Pcas I believefoxinsoxuk said:
Polys had a seperate application process to UCCA as I recall.Arthur_Penny said:
Polytechnics were safety nets for people who couldn't get into University - at my school we were advised to include one on our UCCA forms. Nowadays they are counted as real universities where uneducated kids listen to lectures by left-wing professors for the 2 days a week when they have courses for their degrees - and then those here on PB are surprised that the young are so much for remain/labour.ydoethur said:
Surely the point is only a smallish minority of over-60s went to university at all, and a large proportion will not have O-levels or A-levels, rather CSEs. Moreover, I think I am right in saying most universities down to the 1980s prioritised the liberal arts rather than STEM subjects? A lot of the tech (such as it was) and engineering would have been through polys, surely?Arthur_Penny said:
Not sure about 'poorly educated' - the over 60s went to proper universities and got degrees in STEM subjects after doing O levels and A levels - the brats under 40 get GCSEs, study watered down subjects at micky-mouse colleges to get degrees not worth the parchment they're written on and wouldn't know the difference between absorb and adsorb.Sean_F said:
It must hurt to lose to people who are less wise, wealthy, and well-born than you are.Barnesian said:Big_G_NorthWales said:
That is the type of arrogant comment that has caused the leave voteBarnesian said:
It won't have helped her with the Remainers as they are educated enough to see through all this play-acting. The Leavers on the other hand ....Big_G_NorthWales said:Theresa May has caused a storm from those who are Europhiles on here.
However, is any remainer willing to declare whether this has helped or hindered her election chances.
EDIT: To be clear - I'm not blaming them. They can't help being old, poor and less educated.
If you don't believe me - ask any recruiter - or University lecturer.0 -
He hasn't mentioned money yet..Arthur_Penny said:Hiring 10,000 police seems to be an international plan in elections.
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She didn't pick the fight, she's making use of it.IanB2 said:
People are picking fights they think we might actually win. Unlike our PM.kle4 said:
I refused to vote - it didn't give me the choice of Moldova. So small and unnoticed, what are they up to, I don't trust 'em.GeoffM said:
Surprised to see Iceland winning that so farScott_P said:@RobDotHutton: After Spain and Belgium, which European country should the Tories declare war on next? YOU DECIDE!
https://twitter.com/robdothutton/status/859810134503063557
I voted Germany. It's the traditionalist in me.0 -
Is he offering to pay them more than €40 per annum though? Because if not I can't help but feel his recruitment target would be optimistic!Arthur_Penny said:Hiring 10,000 police seems to be an international plan in elections.
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I went to the Monaco v Man City game and Monaco were a very good side. Their pitch is above a car park so a thin layer of grass and then concrete. The City players were skidding around like they were on an ice rink. In the second half they got the hang of it and outplayed them and should have won.foxinsoxuk said:Monaco vs Juventus is a cracking match. A masterpiece of Italian defending and French flair.
Tis a bit of poor scheduling of the debate. There must be some audience crossover, particularly in Provence.0
