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williamglenn said:

RobD said:

Scott_P said:

@alexmassie: Fascinating @yougov poll in tomorrow's edition of @thetimesscot...

Klaxon on standby.

How's your polling Kremlinology? What does 'fascinating' mean?

Well I used to think a "fascinating" poll meant it was in fact boring. Last week did away with that one.

Black_Rook said:

Yorkcity said:

Scott_P said:

@rosschawkins: Radio Derby to PM: Do you know what a mugwump is?

PM: What I recognise is that what we need in this country is strong and stable leadership

Can someone change her battery as the robotic language is begining to grate a bit .

No :-)

The whole point of May's campaign is to be serious, solid, managerial and dull. Most people don't want further political excitement at present, and certainly not of the variety that Jeremy Corbyn and friends are offering.

Nevertheless leaving the airwaves and column inches empty to fill with whatever the opposition parties are doing and proposing is a novel, and somewhat risky, strategy for a governing party to sustain through six weeks more of campaigning?

foxinsoxuk said:

Yorkcity said:

Scott_P said:

@rosschawkins: Radio Derby to PM: Do you know what a mugwump is?

PM: What I recognise is that what we need in this country is strong and stable leadership

Can someone change her battery as the robotic language is begining to grate a bit .

https://twitter.com/HorizonCSafaris/status/857527370802245632

This Week did it first.

DavidL said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

kle4 said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

DavidL said:

Cyclefree said:

Cyan said:

Cyan said:

The Rothermere press on Emmanuel Macron and his wife Brigitte. If they are as happy together as they seem to be then good luck to them, but some of the pictures won't go down well with some voters.

"Brigitte has refused to reveal when the unlikely pair first became intimate, proclaiming it 'our secret'."

"'Nobody will ever know at what moment our story became a love story. That belongs to us. That is our secret,' she said."

The age of consent in France when one party has authority over the other - for instance, if they are their schoolteacher - is 18.

Good afternoon all. Just popping in to say hello and thank you to all for your very kind words to me. Much appreciated.

I am slowly recuperating. The garden is getting a lot of TLC and I am listening to much music. Really, what else does one need?

Just to be a tad waspish, Madame Macron would be well advised to wear dresses with sleeves.

good to see you back. Thinks she looks pretty good for her age doesn't she? Must be mid 60s.

Not sure what the exact age gap is but I understand it is less than that between Mr & Mrs Trump, though for some reason the latter seems to attract less comment.

It's the age at which things began, not merely that younger man older woman would provoke more comment anyway. But it's a known story which if anyone in France cared it'd have had an impact already.

Yes, my impression is that the French worry much less than us about the sex lives of their politicans, but are much sterner in respect of financial improprieties.

Err did Fillon not come a pretty respectable 3rd just recently when under criminal investigation for paying his wife a lot of taxpayers money for nothing. And Mitterand. And Chirac? Having a conviction for financial impropriety seems a badge of honour in France.

I think Fillon would have made the run-off without the financial scandal (and it wasn't much of one.)

Btw, Le Pen has her own financial inquiry brewing. Let's see how that goes for her.

http://www.france24.com/en/20170427-france-marine-le-pen-eu-parliament-fraud

Andrew said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

Foot was an eminent politician with a strong track record. He wasn't the problem. It was the Party, which had been heavily infiltrated by Marxists and Communists. He was the wrong leader for that time, because he either wouldn't or couldn't stand up to them and clean out the stables. Had he led a more typical social democratic Labour Party largely free of what were highly alien elements, he would have been fine.

Foot was also fairly smart, albeit in an impractical, academic manner. Oxford PPE and all that.

Corbyn clearly .... isn't.

Corbyn is a grammar school lad.

LDs have changed their mind about opposing the Speaker in Buckingham despite having selected a candidate a few days ago:

http://www.libdemvoice.org/lib-dems-wont-stand-against-speaker-54073.html

David_Evershed said:

Andrew said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

Foot was an eminent politician with a strong track record. He wasn't the problem. It was the Party, which had been heavily infiltrated by Marxists and Communists. He was the wrong leader for that time, because he either wouldn't or couldn't stand up to them and clean out the stables. Had he led a more typical social democratic Labour Party largely free of what were highly alien elements, he would have been fine.

Foot was also fairly smart, albeit in an impractical, academic manner. Oxford PPE and all that.

Corbyn clearly .... isn't.

Corbyn is a grammar school lad.

Probably the best argument to close down every grammar school in the country.

TheScreamingEagles said:

I've found the pictures for all future Corbyn related threads

Is the labrador locating his spaniel ?

kle4 said:

RobD said:

surbiton said:

Scott_P said:

@rosschawkins: Radio Derby to PM: Do you know what a mugwump is?

PM: What I recognise is that what we need in this country is strong and stable leadership

She speaks like a robot.

"Long term economic plan", anyone? Parroting those lines enough does have an effect.

Indeed- anyone thinking parroting a prepared line over and over will irritate to the point of having an effect more than making sure the line is ingrained in peoples' minds is kidding themselves. And I say that as not a fan of May.

When will they give May the Ed Miliband treatment?

"These strikes are wrong. Both parties need to drop the rhetoric and get around the negotiating table"

williamglenn said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

I've found the picture for all future Corbyn related threads

May has had close encounters of the canine kind too.

I'm alarmed at how quickly you found this photo.

Do we need to talk?

BBC just shown Corbyn's foul up in Harlow.

foxinsoxuk said:

Black_Rook said:

Yorkcity said:

Scott_P said:

@rosschawkins: Radio Derby to PM: Do you know what a mugwump is?

PM: What I recognise is that what we need in this country is strong and stable leadership

Can someone change her battery as the robotic language is begining to grate a bit .

No :-)

The whole point of May's campaign is to be serious, solid, managerial and dull. Most people don't want further political excitement at present, and certainly not of the variety that Jeremy Corbyn and friends are offering.

Does a Strong and Stable Leader trust our Foreign policy to a clown?

https://twitter.com/RemainingKind/status/857517858238148608

The Nabob of Know Nothings.

TheScreamingEagles said:

David_Evershed said:

Andrew said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

Foot was an eminent politician with a strong track record. He wasn't the problem. It was the Party, which had been heavily infiltrated by Marxists and Communists. He was the wrong leader for that time, because he either wouldn't or couldn't stand up to them and clean out the stables. Had he led a more typical social democratic Labour Party largely free of what were highly alien elements, he would have been fine.

Foot was also fairly smart, albeit in an impractical, academic manner. Oxford PPE and all that.

Corbyn clearly .... isn't.

Corbyn is a grammar school lad.

Probably the best argument to close down every grammar school in the country.

Certainly a strong one for reform of grammar admissions policies.

williamglenn said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

I've found the picture for all future Corbyn related threads

May has had close encounters of the canine kind too.

Is that a guide dog - and if so, just where is it leading its owner ?

Nigelb said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Freggles said:

kle4 said:

RobD said:

surbiton said:

Scott_P said:

@rosschawkins: Radio Derby to PM: Do you know what a mugwump is?

PM: What I recognise is that what we need in this country is strong and stable leadership

She speaks like a robot.

"Long term economic plan", anyone? Parroting those lines enough does have an effect.

Indeed- anyone thinking parroting a prepared line over and over will irritate to the point of having an effect more than making sure the line is ingrained in peoples' minds is kidding themselves. And I say that as not a fan of May.

When will they give May the Ed Miliband treatment?

"These strikes are wrong. Both parties need to drop the rhetoric and get around the negotiating table"

You can see why she's chickening out of the debates.

She's scared of losing to Jeremy Corbyn FFS.

She's frit.

Couldn't be arsed is probably more accurate.

If she thought there was an advantage to doing it, she'd do it. Therefore she sees no advantage to it, therefore she must think she would be harmed, in however limited a fashion, by doing it.

RobD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Freggles said:

kle4 said:

RobD said:

surbiton said:

Scott_P said:

@rosschawkins: Radio Derby to PM: Do you know what a mugwump is?

PM: What I recognise is that what we need in this country is strong and stable leadership

She speaks like a robot.

"Long term economic plan", anyone? Parroting those lines enough does have an effect.

Indeed- anyone thinking parroting a prepared line over and over will irritate to the point of having an effect more than making sure the line is ingrained in peoples' minds is kidding themselves. And I say that as not a fan of May.

When will they give May the Ed Miliband treatment?

"These strikes are wrong. Both parties need to drop the rhetoric and get around the negotiating table"

You can see why she's chickening out of the debates.

She's scared of losing to Jeremy Corbyn FFS.

She's frit.

Probably doesn't want to give Farron the limelight. Given Corbyn's decision, it appears to have worked.

The Scots debate on the 24th May with Sturgeon v Davidson v Dugdale v Rennie should be more than interesting. 3 against 1 for the Union. Unfortunately as I am flying back from Canada that evening I will miss it

kle4 said:

Nigelb said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Freggles said:

kle4 said:

RobD said:

surbiton said:

Scott_P said:

@rosschawkins: Radio Derby to PM: Do you know what a mugwump is?

PM: What I recognise is that what we need in this country is strong and stable leadership

She speaks like a robot.

"Long term economic plan", anyone? Parroting those lines enough does have an effect.

Indeed- anyone thinking parroting a prepared line over and over will irritate to the point of having an effect more than making sure the line is ingrained in peoples' minds is kidding themselves. And I say that as not a fan of May.

When will they give May the Ed Miliband treatment?

"These strikes are wrong. Both parties need to drop the rhetoric and get around the negotiating table"

You can see why she's chickening out of the debates.

She's scared of losing to Jeremy Corbyn FFS.

She's frit.

Couldn't be arsed is probably more accurate.

If she thought there was an advantage to doing it, she'd do it. Therefore she sees no advantage to it, therefore she must think she would be harmed, in however limited a fashion, by doing it.

Simple answer is why present your opponents the opportunity when there is no need.

Labour to build a million new homes.

It seems that around 10k homes are built each month - around 20% of those being in the public sector.

So over 5 years the total built would be 600k, and that'd be just 120k in the public sector. It seems unlikely to me that even a genius such as Corbyn can multiply the public sector build eightfold. So probably Corbyn is saying that he'll build 400k and thus the total is 1m - nonetheless that's more than tripling the council build rate. I don't really believe that it's possible. There's a big lead time on land, builders, and materials. It will triple the costs too.

Is this just a nonsense number? Any thoughts?

TheScreamingEagles said:

I've found the pictures for all future Corbyn related threads

Corbyn threads may not have a great deal of a future.

Andrew said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

Foot was an eminent politician with a strong track record. He wasn't the problem. It was the Party, which had been heavily infiltrated by Marxists and Communists. He was the wrong leader for that time, because he either wouldn't or couldn't stand up to them and clean out the stables. Had he led a more typical social democratic Labour Party largely free of what were highly alien elements, he would have been fine.

Foot was also fairly smart, albeit in an impractical, academic manner. Oxford PPE and all that.

Corbyn clearly .... isn't.

What sunk Labour back in 1983 was that they started out thinking they might win - given that multi-term government was relatively unusual back then - and when Labour's poll rating started sinking and the Alliance rating started to rise, leading Labour figures started to break ranks, damaging them further.

This time Labour does have the twin compensations that no objective observer (nor Labour campaigner, deep down) thinks they have any chance whatsoever of winning, and Labour divisions are old news and already priced in.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Freggles said:

kle4 said:

RobD said:

surbiton said:

Scott_P said:

@rosschawkins: Radio Derby to PM: Do you know what a mugwump is?

PM: What I recognise is that what we need in this country is strong and stable leadership

She speaks like a robot.

"Long term economic plan", anyone? Parroting those lines enough does have an effect.

Indeed- anyone thinking parroting a prepared line over and over will irritate to the point of having an effect more than making sure the line is ingrained in peoples' minds is kidding themselves. And I say that as not a fan of May.

When will they give May the Ed Miliband treatment?

"These strikes are wrong. Both parties need to drop the rhetoric and get around the negotiating table"

You can see why she's chickening out of the debates.

She's scared of losing to Jeremy Corbyn FFS.

She's frit.

She's sensible, more like. She has an enormous advantage and probably very little more to gain from entering such a debate.

Corbyn, on the other hand, is so poorly regarded that if he does anything other than lose absolutely catastrophically then that risks being seen as something close to a victory. If the PM can only murder the Labour Party live on national television, rather than murder it, set fire to the corpse, drop the burning body down a thousand-foot mine shaft and back fill it with quick-setting concrete, then this will be viewed by many as an embarrassing setback. Just like when there was a mini-panic a few days ago when someone unveiled a poll that showed the Conservatives "only" eleven points in the lead.

Omnium said:

Labour to build a million new homes.

It seems that around 10k homes are built each month - around 20% of those being in the public sector.

So over 5 years the total built would be 600k, and that'd be just 120k in the public sector. It seems unlikely to me that even a genius such as Corbyn can multiply the public sector build eightfold. So probably Corbyn is saying that he'll build 400k and thus the total is 1m - nonetheless that's more than tripling the council build rate. I don't really believe that it's possible. There's a big lead time on land, builders, and materials. It will triple the costs too.

Is this just a nonsense number? Any thoughts?

Nonsense, but if you are going to lie, lie big. – Blair promised 3 million, then bulldozed 200K.

Black_Rook said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Freggles said:

kle4 said:

RobD said:

surbiton said:

Scott_P said:

@rosschawkins: Radio Derby to PM: Do you know what a mugwump is?

PM: What I recognise is that what we need in this country is strong and stable leadership

She speaks like a robot.

"Long term economic plan", anyone? Parroting those lines enough does have an effect.

Indeed- anyone thinking parroting a prepared line over and over will irritate to the point of having an effect more than making sure the line is ingrained in peoples' minds is kidding themselves. And I say that as not a fan of May.

When will they give May the Ed Miliband treatment?

"These strikes are wrong. Both parties need to drop the rhetoric and get around the negotiating table"

You can see why she's chickening out of the debates.

She's scared of losing to Jeremy Corbyn FFS.

She's frit.

She's sensible, more like. She has an enormous advantage and probably very little more to gain from entering such a debate.

Corbyn, on the other hand, is so poorly regarded that if he does anything other than lose absolutely catastrophically then that risks being seen as something close to a victory. If the PM can only murder the Labour Party live on national television, rather than murder it, set fire to the corpse, drop the burning body down a thousand-foot mine shaft and back fill it with quick-setting concrete, then this will be viewed by many as an embarrassing setback. Just like when there was a mini-panic a few days ago when someone unveiled a poll that showed the Conservatives "only" eleven points in the lead.

So...frit, then

Theuniondivvie said:

Tessy talks tough.
Again.

https://twitter.com/dannyctkemp/status/857642808647319552

Good tactics - will wind up UKIP supporters behind May

murali_s said:

david_herdson said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Freggles said:

kle4 said:

RobD said:

surbiton said:

Scott_P said:

@rosschawkins: Radio Derby to PM: Do you know what a mugwump is?

PM: What I recognise is that what we need in this country is strong and stable leadership

She speaks like a robot.

"Long term economic plan", anyone? Parroting those lines enough does have an effect.

Indeed- anyone thinking parroting a prepared line over and over will irritate to the point of having an effect more than making sure the line is ingrained in peoples' minds is kidding themselves. And I say that as not a fan of May.

When will they give May the Ed Miliband treatment?

"These strikes are wrong. Both parties need to drop the rhetoric and get around the negotiating table"

You can see why she's chickening out of the debates.

She's scared of losing to Jeremy Corbyn FFS.

She's frit.

Debates are not her natural environment. When you have a 20-point lead, why risk it on something you don't need to do?

It's not so much 'losing' in outright terms that she and CCHQ are likely to be concerned about; it's not doing well enough to maintain the momentum that the Conservatives currently have.

Debates work well for people who have simple sloganistic solutions to every problem; they are less ideal for people who work with detail.

Surely someone who is/wants to be PM should have the ability to debate issues, whatever the channel or forum. Mrs May is not exactly a charismatic or inspirational leader. She is wooden and let's be honest pretty piss poor.

So why has she record breaking popularity ratings

rottenborough said:

Omnium said:

Labour to build a million new homes.

It seems that around 10k homes are built each month - around 20% of those being in the public sector.

So over 5 years the total built would be 600k, and that'd be just 120k in the public sector. It seems unlikely to me that even a genius such as Corbyn can multiply the public sector build eightfold. So probably Corbyn is saying that he'll build 400k and thus the total is 1m - nonetheless that's more than tripling the council build rate. I don't really believe that it's possible. There's a big lead time on land, builders, and materials. It will triple the costs too.

Is this just a nonsense number? Any thoughts?

Yes, even attempting the target involves the election of a Labour government. The lead time on that is around a decade at the earliest.

I think it's a good possibly.

The chance of it being enacted are precisely zero though.

murali_s said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Tessy talks tough.
Again.

https://twitter.com/dannyctkemp/status/857642808647319552

Good tactics - will wind up UKIP supporters behind May

Talking tough and acting tough are two completely different things. Think we need to be careful not to antogonise.

So roll over - tough talking needs tough talking back.

kle4 said:

Nigelb said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Freggles said:

kle4 said:

RobD said:

surbiton said:

Scott_P said:

@rosschawkins: Radio Derby to PM: Do you know what a mugwump is?

PM: What I recognise is that what we need in this country is strong and stable leadership

She speaks like a robot.

"Long term economic plan", anyone? Parroting those lines enough does have an effect.

Indeed- anyone thinking parroting a prepared line over and over will irritate to the point of having an effect more than making sure the line is ingrained in peoples' minds is kidding themselves. And I say that as not a fan of May.

When will they give May the Ed Miliband treatment?

"These strikes are wrong. Both parties need to drop the rhetoric and get around the negotiating table"

You can see why she's chickening out of the debates.

She's scared of losing to Jeremy Corbyn FFS.

She's frit.

Couldn't be arsed is probably more accurate.

If she thought there was an advantage to doing it, she'd do it. Therefore she sees no advantage to it, therefore she must think she would be harmed, in however limited a fashion, by doing it.

Will she face anyone apart from the faithfull ? Major did well getting involved with public in 92 he gained a lot of respect taking on the hecklers in the crowd .Corbyn should do similar.

isam said:

AlastairMeeks said:

isam said:

William Hill

Lib Dems to win 18 or more seats...

1/7!!!

It's a disgrace that they don't offer the other side of that bet.

(ie I would love to be able to back it)

You're not alone!

Betfair has an over/under bet on 18.5 LibDem seats

Big_G_NorthWales said:

murali_s said:

david_herdson said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Freggles said:

kle4 said:

RobD said:

surbiton said:

Scott_P said:

@rosschawkins: Radio Derby to PM: Do you know what a mugwump is?

PM: What I recognise is that what we need in this country is strong and stable leadership

She speaks like a robot.

"Long term economic plan", anyone? Parroting those lines enough does have an effect.

Indeed- anyone thinking parroting a prepared line over and over will irritate to the point of having an effect more than making sure the line is ingrained in peoples' minds is kidding themselves. And I say that as not a fan of May.

When will they give May the Ed Miliband treatment?

"These strikes are wrong. Both parties need to drop the rhetoric and get around the negotiating table"

You can see why she's chickening out of the debates.

She's scared of losing to Jeremy Corbyn FFS.

She's frit.

Debates are not her natural environment. When you have a 20-point lead, why risk it on something you don't need to do?

It's not so much 'losing' in outright terms that she and CCHQ are likely to be concerned about; it's not doing well enough to maintain the momentum that the Conservatives currently have.

Debates work well for people who have simple sloganistic solutions to every problem; they are less ideal for people who work with detail.

Surely someone who is/wants to be PM should have the ability to debate issues, whatever the channel or forum. Mrs May is not exactly a charismatic or inspirational leader. She is wooden and let's be honest pretty piss poor.

So why has she record breaking popularity ratings

Flat track bully!

murali_s said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Tessy talks tough.
Again.

https://twitter.com/dannyctkemp/status/857642808647319552

Good tactics - will wind up UKIP supporters behind May

Talking tough and acting tough are two completely different things. Think we need to be careful not to antogonise.

So weak.

IanB2 said:

Black_Rook said:

Yorkcity said:

Scott_P said:

@rosschawkins: Radio Derby to PM: Do you know what a mugwump is?

PM: What I recognise is that what we need in this country is strong and stable leadership

Can someone change her battery as the robotic language is begining to grate a bit .

No :-)

The whole point of May's campaign is to be serious, solid, managerial and dull. Most people don't want further political excitement at present, and certainly not of the variety that Jeremy Corbyn and friends are offering.

Nevertheless leaving the airwaves and column inches empty to fill with whatever the opposition parties are doing and proposing is a novel, and somewhat risky, strategy for a governing party to sustain through six weeks more of campaigning?

I would be very much surprised if they intend to keep on this way right until June 8th. Besides anything else, the manifesto is launched not long after we've got the local elections out of the way.

My assumption is that the Government is quite happy to give Labour enough rope to hang itself right now. The botched attempt at a relaunch over Brexit and the gargantuan unfunded spending commitments, amongst other things, make the Opposition look bad now, and provide the Government with more ammunition to be used later in the campaign.

They're keeping their powder dry, safe in the knowledge that they have plenty of it, and that if they give Corbyn and friends both barrels now then they run the risk of (a) their message losing its power, because people grow bored of it, and (b) perhaps, even, the prospect of the hopelessly outclassed Corbyn receiving some degree of sympathy from the public.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if many of the attack lines - e.g. the Labour leadership's apparent indulgence of Irish Republican paramilitarism, Palestinian Islamist terror groups and anti-Semitic behaviour - are being soft-pedalled or kept entirely in reserve until the final ten days of the campaign.

murali_s said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

murali_s said:

david_herdson said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Freggles said:

kle4 said:

RobD said:

surbiton said:

Scott_P said:

@rosschawkins: Radio Derby to PM: Do you know what a mugwump is?

PM: What I recognise is that what we need in this country is strong and stable leadership

She speaks like a robot.

"Long term economic plan", anyone? Parroting those lines enough does have an effect.

Indeed- anyone thinking parroting a prepared line over and over will irritate to the point of having an effect more than making sure the line is ingrained in peoples' minds is kidding themselves. And I say that as not a fan of May.

When will they give May the Ed Miliband treatment?

"These strikes are wrong. Both parties need to drop the rhetoric and get around the negotiating table"

You can see why she's chickening out of the debates.

She's scared of losing to Jeremy Corbyn FFS.

She's frit.

Debates are not her natural environment. When you have a 20-point lead, why risk it on something you don't need to do?

It's not so much 'losing' in outright terms that she and CCHQ are likely to be concerned about; it's not doing well enough to maintain the momentum that the Conservatives currently have.

Debates work well for people who have simple sloganistic solutions to every problem; they are less ideal for people who work with detail.

Surely someone who is/wants to be PM should have the ability to debate issues, whatever the channel or forum. Mrs May is not exactly a charismatic or inspirational leader. She is wooden and let's be honest pretty piss poor.

So why has she record breaking popularity ratings

Flat track bully!

Well thats a view I suppose

murali_s said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

murali_s said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Tessy talks tough.
Again.

https://twitter.com/dannyctkemp/status/857642808647319552

Good tactics - will wind up UKIP supporters behind May

Talking tough and acting tough are two completely different things. Think we need to be careful not to antogonise.

So roll over - tough talking needs tough talking back.

Why bother? We are pretty much going to have to roll over anyway. All it does it gives an illusion (yes that word again) that we have significant bargaining chips in any negotiation.

We will not roll over with 100 billion EU imports and World class security services. Why do you want to talk your Country down

Omnium said:

williamglenn said:

ThreeQuidder said:

Gus Macdonald has retired from the Lords.

Planning to stand as a candidate?

He's 77. I read it initially as Gus O'Donnell - perhaps you did the same.

Guilty as charged...

williamglenn said:

RobD said:

Scott_P said:

@alexmassie: Fascinating @yougov poll in tomorrow's edition of @thetimesscot...

Klaxon on standby.

How's your polling Kremlinology? What does 'fascinating' mean?

Ever since the IndyRef poll that was hyped beyond belief that showed No Change from the last poll I have soured on poll trailing.

Scott_P said:

Oooh

@joncraig: Staff in Parliament told by sec sources police were tipped off about man arrested in Whitehall by his family, which probably saved his life.

Good for them

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Yorkcity said:

kle4 said:

Nigelb said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Freggles said:

kle4 said:

RobD said:

surbiton said:

Scott_P said:

@rosschawkins: Radio Derby to PM: Do you know what a mugwump is?

PM: What I recognise is that what we need in this country is strong and stable leadership

She speaks like a robot.

"Long term economic plan", anyone? Parroting those lines enough does have an effect.

Indeed- anyone thinking parroting a prepared line over and over will irritate to the point of having an effect more than making sure the line is ingrained in peoples' minds is kidding themselves. And I say that as not a fan of May.

When will they give May the Ed Miliband treatment?

"These strikes are wrong. Both parties need to drop the rhetoric and get around the negotiating table"

You can see why she's chickening out of the debates.

She's scared of losing to Jeremy Corbyn FFS.

She's frit.

Couldn't be arsed is probably more accurate.

If she thought there was an advantage to doing it, she'd do it. Therefore she sees no advantage to it, therefore she must think she would be harmed, in however limited a fashion, by doing it.

Will she face anyone apart from the faithfull ? Major did well getting involved with public in 92 he gained a lot of respect taking on the hecklers in the crowd .Corbyn should do similar.

Corbyn has only ever faced the faithful and even has to hold a stump speech in a field with his momentum supporters, and even then he talks with his back to the camera

Yes I know that is why I suggest he gets out into the public arena , so there is a contrast with the wooden may.In 1987 I attended an open event in York where all candidates attended. The conservative won the seat .However my father and I both agreed the best speaker was Vince Cable he came third but went onto greater things.

Ishmael_Z said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Freggles said:

kle4 said:

RobD said:

surbiton said:

Scott_P said:

@rosschawkins: Radio Derby to PM: Do you know what a mugwump is?

PM: What I recognise is that what we need in this country is strong and stable leadership

She speaks like a robot.

"Long term economic plan", anyone? Parroting those lines enough does have an effect.

Indeed- anyone thinking parroting a prepared line over and over will irritate to the point of having an effect more than making sure the line is ingrained in peoples' minds is kidding themselves. And I say that as not a fan of May.

When will they give May the Ed Miliband treatment?

"These strikes are wrong. Both parties need to drop the rhetoric and get around the negotiating table"

You can see why she's chickening out of the debates.

She's scared of losing to Jeremy Corbyn FFS.

She's frit.

It is a risk/reward calculation. It is not merely analogous to, it is the same thing as, placing a bet. Do you want to back tories most seats at 1/10000000? No? Is that because you are frit that the tories will not win most seats? No. Corbyn might humiliate May, at a cost to her which could mean fewer seats. May humiliates Corbyn is priced in, and gains her what? (Other than promotion in your personal political landscape from frit wee timorous feartie to Guardian of the Galaxy)?

Corbyn has seriously misplayed the debate card (Hasn't he misplayed them all...)

"I won't debate unless May does." To which May just says ok, no debates.

It's madness, as the challenger you get yourself onto debates come high or hell water even if Tessy isn't there. At least Ed Miliband did them, and (sort of) forced Cameron into a couple.

justin124 said:

Yorkcity said:

kle4 said:

Nigelb said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Freggles said:

kle4 said:

RobD said:

surbiton said:

Scott_P said:

@rosschawkins: Radio Derby to PM: Do you know what a mugwump is?

PM: What I recognise is that what we need in this country is strong and stable leadership

She speaks like a robot.

"Long term economic plan", anyone? Parroting those lines enough does have an effect.

Indeed- anyone thinking parroting a prepared line over and over will irritate to the point of having an effect more than making sure the line is ingrained in peoples' minds is kidding themselves. And I say that as not a fan of May.

When will they give May the Ed Miliband treatment?

"These strikes are wrong. Both parties need to drop the rhetoric and get around the negotiating table"

You can see why she's chickening out of the debates.

She's scared of losing to Jeremy Corbyn FFS.

She's frit.

Couldn't be arsed is probably more accurate.

If she thought there was an advantage to doing it, she'd do it. Therefore she sees no advantage to it, therefore she must think she would be harmed, in however limited a fashion, by doing it.

Will she face anyone apart from the faithfull ? Major did well getting involved with public in 92 he gained a lot of respect taking on the hecklers in the crowd .Corbyn should do similar.

A party leader would also benefit from being seen to deal effectively with hecklers at public meetings. Harold Wilson was brilliant at that in the 1964 and 1966 campaigns.

He was i watched a documentary from the sixties .It was great to see Wilson and Callaghan taking on the hecklers.More interesting than today when they only speak to their own supporters and when they visit a factory no one is allowed or dare to ask searching questions.

Todays YG


UNSWINGBACK

CON: 45% (-3)
LAB: 29% (+4)
LDEM: 10% (-2)
UKIP: 7% (+2)

TMICIPM

If it's any of you trying to back LDs in Richmond Park on BF I've put up a counter. I would have layed evens if it wasn't Zac.

Alistair said:

williamglenn said:

Various SNP offices and MPs have been targeted by packages containing white powder.

https://stv.tv/news/politics/1386953-msps-on-alert-as-white-powder-sent-to-politicians/

Joyous civic Unionism.

Typical unionist Tories, a right bad lot for sure

IanB2 said:

isam said:

IanB2 said:

isam said:

AlastairMeeks said:

isam said:

William Hill

Lib Dems to win 18 or more seats...

1/7!!!

It's a disgrace that they don't offer the other side of that bet.

(ie I would love to be able to back it)

You're not alone!

Betfair has an over/under bet on 18.5 LibDem seats

The under there is about 9/4 though...William Hills implied under is more like 4/1

Nevertheless, if you are confident, 9/4 is reasonable odds. Although personally I think better odds will be available next weekend.

I just thought 1/7 was rather short for over 18.5 that's all

Floater said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/ruthdavidsonmsp/status/857634830607147010

A real lol moment

Hmmm, decidedly dodgy, she gets worse and worse , why is she always posing on the back of assorted animals. Is she unable to get a human to join in a photo with her. Low rent for sure.

PS: Also means my dinner is ruined after viewing that.

SimonStClare said:

Pulpstar said:

bigjohnowls said:

Todays YG


UNSWINGBACK

CON: 45% (-3)
LAB: 29% (+4)
LDEM: 10% (-2)
UKIP: 7% (+2)

TMICIPM

Looks remarkably similiar to yesterday's.

Indeed. UKiP up, Lib Dems down, there's something very odd about these polls from YouGov.

It is yesterday's poll

Pulpstar said:

bigjohnowls said:

Todays YG


UNSWINGBACK

CON: 45% (-3)
LAB: 29% (+4)
LDEM: 10% (-2)
UKIP: 7% (+2)

TMICIPM

Looks remarkably similiar to yesterday's.

OK you are correct actually

How many seats do Labour need to get for you to be Red on your Spread bet?